July 30, 2025 • 40 mins
Do you ever feel so exhausted that you're tired of being tired? That overwhelming sensation of running on empty while life keeps demanding more? You're not alone.
In this authentically raw conversation, we dive into the epidemic of exhaustion that's affecting so many of us. From the micro-problem of driving aimlessly looking for a restaurant to the macro-issue of living without clear direction, we explore how purposelessness drains our energy faster than any physical task.
Drawing from personal experiences—like Josh's closet-sized first office and his 12-year journey to complete a two-year degree—we share eight practical strategies that can transform exhaustion into purposeful energy. Some provide immediate relief (like pattern interruption techniques), while others create sustainable change through consistent small actions.
The heart of our message is deceptively simple yet profoundly powerful: begin with the end in mind. When you know your destination, every decision becomes intentional. We explore why protecting your vision matters, how breaking goals into manageable steps prevents overwhelm, and why contentment isn't the same as settling.
Perhaps most importantly, we discuss the ultimate antidote to exhaustion: recognizing your power of choice. While circumstances may be beyond your control, your response to them never is. This isn't about toxic positivity—it's about consciously directing your focus toward what builds rather than depletes.
Whether you're feeling stuck on life's carousel or simply need practical ways to restore your energy, these battle-tested strategies offer a roadmap to move from exhausted to expectant. Share this episode with someone who needs to hear they're not alone in their struggle, and remember—small changes consistently applied transform lives dramatically.
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Josh (00:00):
so I what you know better than I do with this stuff that's
right, and this week oh boy Idon't know about you, but I am
extremely tired overwhelmedstress, full of anxiety, like
spent all the things, but I dothink I figured out the secret
(00:23):
to it what?
Debbie (00:23):
What is it?
Josh (00:23):
How to overcome it and everything.
Debbie (00:25):
Tell me.
Josh (00:26):
No, because people are going to have to listen to the
whole episode to figure that out?
Debbie (00:29):
Wait till the end.
We have answers.
Josh (00:39):
Hello and welcome to another episode of Faith, family
and Fishing, where we shareJesus and strengthen families.
And this week, like you heardin the intro, we're going to be
tackling something that,honestly, I see in a lot of
different people nowadays.
It's just that just tired andstressed and all the things and
(01:03):
I go.
It's hard, you know, and, and Ithink there's there's a couple
of different tactics and trickswe can use to strengthen
families through this.
Um, some of them are short termright like you know, they'll
give you you immediate relief.
Some of them on the flip side,are there.
(01:28):
It's a longer process to get,but I will say the longer
processes last.
Yeah, and I think you have adeeper satisfaction in them.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Absolutely.
Josh (01:43):
But it is a longer process to achieve it, so I'm going to
start with just the obviousright.
You look around and I don'tknow it's probably been going on
for you with us just in general, with people.
Definitely.
I was going to say definitely,since you know easy the twenties
(02:03):
, you know, not the roaringtwenties either, but the more I
think about it, it's probablybeen going on since the dawn of
time.
Sure, you know, I'm sure it wasgoing on when I was a kid and I
just didn't see it because yourparents felt it.
Debbie (02:17):
Right, you know, and it's this you're just tired,
just wore down, you're justoverst overstressed and and then
you get tired of being tiredand then you don't even have the
energy to try to get out of the.
I'm tired right you're justlike.
Josh (02:34):
I would just rather lay down here and just give up right
and and I think what a lot ofpeople wind up doing is you just
get stuck.
You're just in that, thatconstant like a carousel.
You just go around and aroundand around okay you're not going
anywhere I probably wouldn'tuse carousel as an illustration.
(02:55):
Just because I'm a guy, okay, Iwould probably said cul-de-sac
well, you can get out of acul-de-sac.
You can get out of this.
You can get off a carousel.
Debbie (03:07):
Touché, good sir.
Touché and Josh is the brainsof our operations.
You can tell I don't do muchdriving.
Josh (03:18):
I just put you on that horse and you're like I'm
trapped.
I can't get out, so how'd youget off when you were younger.
I don't know, I mean, obviouslyyou're not on a carousel right
now.
Debbie (03:30):
No, not physically.
Mentally maybe.
Josh (03:33):
Obviously.
Debbie (03:34):
Okay, you made your point, sir, but even today,
right?
Josh (03:39):
So our day started off like with a bang, right, you
know, I got a text message, hadsomeone reach out and they
needed help, and so that's howour day started off.
And then, you know, luckily,you know, kids wanted to go with
Nana, and so me and you hadsome alone time, yeah, which
(04:02):
doesn't happen often.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
No.
Josh (04:04):
But we were like like hey, before we get into the office,
before we go record and do allthe things that we have to do,
um, let's go grab lunch rightwell, we drove from one side of
our city to the other and andwe're still no closer to
deciding where we were going togo eat at.
Debbie (04:22):
So so much where Josh was like we're parking.
Josh (04:25):
Oh no, I didn't want you to share that part yet.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Okay.
Josh (04:30):
So the cat's out of the bag on that.
But now I'm going to set it up.
For the rest, okay, of what Iwas going to say and as we're
driving, I was telling you, likeit's little things, right, it's
even deciding.
Deciding, hey, where are wegonna go eat lunch at?
Debbie (04:48):
becomes a task yes, you know, and it becomes, you know,
it's not like, oh, what are wegonna have?
For lunch right it's like, oh,we need.
Josh (04:52):
We need some food, and I mean and mind you, we had passed
10 15 different restaurants,you know, and and it was like
nope, don't want that, don'twant that, don't want that,
don't want that, don't want thatI even broke out the maps and
you were like why are youlooking?
So, and and that's where youknow where you were saying yeah,
I got to a point where I waslike I'm just gonna park the car
under a tree we're gonna findsome shade in a parking lot,
(05:14):
park on you know, park the carand we're not gonna leave this
spot until we have a plan rightthis is where we're going.
This is how the rest of the dayis going to look.
This is how this is going tofactor into all of that, Right
and I go, and that is tip andstrategy or tactic number one.
You got to start with a planRight and to even go one bigger
(05:37):
than that.
You can't make a plan until youknow where you're going.
Now, if you've read Seven Habitsof Highly, of highly effective
people.
We did not come up with this,no um, but it is one of the
habits begin with the end inmind right, you, you and you
know it's funny.
Debbie (05:52):
You say that because I had that conversation with one
of the girls yesterday aboutwhat the last two days were
going to look like and I saidyou know, yeah, daddy's always
saying begin with the end inmind you know, I know you guys
get tired of hearing it, butmommy stepped into these two
days with what daddy always saysyou know, begin with the end in
mind, and this was my goal, Isaid.
(06:12):
And then we worked backwards and, just like we always you know,
josh always talks to the kidsabout this Make sure you have a
plan.
Once you know where you'regoing, you can walk backwards
and go okay, this is how I needto get there.
And I talked to the girl orgirls about it and I went
because of that plan.
Everything that I set out thatI wanted to get done got done
(06:33):
effectively.
Right, had I just walked ingoing I mean, I'll see what's
gonna happen I'd be superstressed out about the last two
days, right now.
Josh (06:42):
But seeing that that's where most of us find ourselves
right, we're in the car, drivingaround trying to find a
restaurant.
You know, we've passed all ofthese different restaurants and
that's a micro problem of amacro issue right, but that's
what I'm saying.
It's just an illustration, right?
You know, metaphoricallyspeaking, this is how most of us
are living our lives, right?
We're just like wherever thewind may take us.
(07:03):
We don't really have a plan,right?
Well, here's the thing.
If I were to leave the housewithout knowing where I'm going,
I'll never get to where I'mgoing, correct?
You know you'll.
You'll go hundreds of thousandsof miles and through all of
these tanks of gas, and you'restill not where you're gonna go,
because you have no idea whereyou're going.
Right on the flip side of that,though, if I know this is where
(07:26):
I'm going, then as soon as Ileave the house, every single
turn becomes on purpose I wasgonna say there's a purpose for
it so you know and and there isthe difference that that's
tactic number one right, have aplan.
Begin with the end in mind.
Know where you're going,because when you know when
you're where you're going,that's the other important thing
(07:48):
, right, when you know whereyou're going, it makes it easier
in the rougher patches rightright, like we took a trip up to
Pensacola, you know, a coupleof weeks ago.
It's a seven hour trip from ourhouse.
You know maps said it was sixand a half, but by the time you
add in you know stops for fueland food and potty and all the
(08:13):
different things, I think itwound up taking us like seven
and a half.
Well, the ride up took foreverbecause of the accident.
Debbie (08:18):
I was going to say, and then you know the accident but
that's the thing right.
Josh (08:29):
The same accident, but that's the thing right.
The same thing in life you'regonna have.
Obviously we didn't plan to getinto a car accident, but things
are gonna come up that youdidn't plan for right.
Debbie (08:32):
You know and, and, and, had we been driving to pensacola
and going.
We'll just find somewhere tostay when we get there right we
would have been completelyfreaking out going oh my gosh,
now we don't have a car.
What are we gonna do?
As soon as we got in theaccident, you know, we looked
for a rent-a-car place.
It was two miles down the road,like well, we didn't even have
to right trooper slick he
Speaker 3 (08:49):
was and that is his name trooper slick, that's not a
nickname, sergeant, sergeantyeah, amazing, but like there
was still, even though there was, chaos.
Josh (08:59):
All right, let's get a plan immediately right now, and
I mean, that is how it's notalways how we lived our life no,
but some of the stress in yourlife you have because you're on
this trip and you don't have anend in mind.
You have no idea where you'regoing.
Things are happening, things docome up, emergencies happen,
things like that.
But you're you're kind of justgoing wherever the wind is
(09:21):
pushing you right and kind ofhoping you can figure it out as
you go.
Debbie (09:26):
And that's exhausting.
Josh (09:28):
It is.
Debbie (09:28):
And if you have kids, what you don't understand is
you're exhausting your kids andthey they don't know how to
vocalize it all the time, butthey're stressed because you
don't know where you're going.
Josh (09:40):
So so, tip and tactic Number one is let me think of
that video so tip and tacticnumber one is Just made me think
of that video.
Tip and tactic number one issometimes Nope, this is number
one.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I'm finishing it oh, okay.
Josh (09:52):
Sometimes put the car in park, stop re-evaluate and don't
go anywhere until you have aplan.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Right.
Josh (09:59):
And you're probably sitting here going.
So you don't want me to leavemy house.
No, I don't want you to makeany more life decisions.
Debbie (10:07):
Without having a plan, without having some kind of a
plan, and it might take you alittle bit to get that plan, but
you're still going to save timein the long run.
Right, because you're not goingto be freaking out and frantic.
Josh (10:14):
Well, even going back to school, right, like I did
construction out of high school,and you know I was just aimless
and had no idea.
You know long story right as italways, as it always is for
another day um, but once I satdown and went, hey, this is
where I want to go, I want tohelp people.
I want to you know I want to dosome counseling, I want to I
(10:37):
want to strengthen families itwas I mean it took me 12 years
to finish my associates degree,which is a two year program
right, mind you.
Debbie (10:48):
For those of you that don't know, josh is extremely
intelligent yes, school was notthe problem you were the problem
.
Josh (10:56):
It was constantly well, I'm going to go do this, and I'm
going to go do this and oh,there's a bird like you know,
I'm going to go be an engineeror I'm going to go be this, or
I'm going to go be an engineer,or I'm going to go be this or
I'm going to go be an accountantor I'm going to go back to the
military, whatever, yeah,whatever you know could get me
out of the situation.
I was in the fastest Right Right.
And so it took 10, no, 12 yearsfrom start to finish.
(11:18):
To finish my associate's degree, I did a bachelor's and a
master's in a year and a half.
Yep, because I knew this iswhere I want to go.
So, yeah, that that lead uptook a little bit longer, right,
but once I had that plan, itwas go time.
Yeah, you know, and you canknock it out really super fast.
(11:39):
And even if it would have taken, you know, another two years,
at least I know I'm going there,I'm putting one foot in front
of the other, and that's tactand tactic.
That's not right Tactic and tipto put one foot in front of the
other.
Right, once you have a plan,work your plan.
Debbie (12:00):
And don't let people sidetrack you, because there are
going to be things that comealong and I've got to be a horse
with blinders right, You'regoing to have to.
What's the word?
Be mean about the vision.
Josh (12:08):
Yeah.
Debbie (12:08):
Whatever the vision is, it's your vision.
Keep your eyes open in front ofyou.
Josh (12:12):
And who was that Be mean about the?
Debbie (12:13):
vision, it was that.
Josh (12:19):
That was a book you read.
Debbie (12:20):
And I can see the name you keep talking.
I'll look it up real quick.
So it makes me think about.
Josh (12:23):
Sean, it's not Sean Strickland.
I know that I was like hey.
Debbie (12:27):
I was like nope you keep talking.
I was thinking about the DaveRamsey.
When we did the financial peace, we did a financial peace
university many, many years ago.
And I remember it was a signevery dollar a job.
And you know you keep track ofyour money that way and you you
help stay focused that way andyou know it was something that
(12:49):
we had started doing with thevery little money that we um,
but it was so helpful to go.
You know that's right.
You don't want to just wastetime and waste your money
because then you're going to beconstantly playing catch up.
It's the same thing with yourtime.
You're just like oh, I got togo to this, got to go to that,
and instead of having a plan,there are times that we have to
(13:10):
change our schedule becausewe're like this just isn't going
to work for this moment.
Josh (13:15):
Right.
Debbie (13:15):
We need to reevaluate, but even because saying yes to
this?
Is saying no to everything else.
Josh (13:21):
Right to everything else right, right, you know and and
and again.
You have your plan, you'reworking your plan.
It was sean lovejoy yes, seanlovejoy be mean about your
vision, yeah, and, and thatdoesn't mean be mean.
What it means is is put thoseblinders on right don't look to
the left and the right and go.
Debbie (13:39):
This is the plan and I'm gonna work the plan so there
have been times that our kidshave come to us with concerns
and worries or whatever.
And you know well, daddy, this,this happened, and he's like it
doesn't matter.
That's not.
That's not the point.
Josh (13:51):
Keep looking forward because that's what the devil's
going to do, right.
The easiest thing he's going todo is distract you.
Debbie (13:56):
Yes, and think about like we talk about stuff like
that, like even whether it'swith your kids or with marriage
or money, it doesn't matter youeverything could be in the right
spot.
So if the devil can't get youone way, he is going to come at
you another way.
Right?
He knows he can't pluck me frommy father's hand.
He knows I'm not going anywhere, I'm not going to not but I can
belong to.
Jesus can keep you distracted,but if you, he can get me, keep
(14:19):
me distracted and busy, then I'mnot telling other people about
Jesus.
I'm not focusing on Jesus in mymarriage.
I'm not focusing on Jesus withmy children.
I'm not focusing on Jesus withthe school, with, with anything
you know, I'm just and I know Ihave found myself where.
Josh (14:36):
On the carousel.
On the carousel that you can'tget off of.
Debbie (14:41):
Seatbelted to the carousel.
Nobody was there to help me.
Okay, I cried anyway.
Um, that is a true story, butthat's all.
Josh (14:48):
That's for another day, and that's probably why it
popped up I guess it was it wasyou know but that's the thing,
and that's what the bible tellsus, right like there is no sin
that will overtake you that godwill not give you an escape
route.
Debbie (15:01):
Was it first?
Josh (15:01):
corinthians 10 31 or 10, 13, 10, 31 is whatever you do,
whether you eat or drink, do allinto the glory of god.
But I go, and that's why I saida cul-de-sac, because there is
an escape, there's a way to getback out but you see where my
mindset was.
Debbie (15:16):
I was like you're never gonna get out of it, you're just
stuck there forever well, andthat's the, that's tip and
tactic number three, right yes,no temptation has overtaken you.
That god that is not common toman, and god is faithful, who
will not allow you to be temptedbeyond what you are able, but
with temptation, will also makea way of escape that you may be
able to bear it.
Josh (15:38):
What was it first and first.
Corinthians 10 31 10, 13.
I said 13, 13 you said 1031, Idid it first and it was an
accident um, but it's sittinghere and it's going, so so, tip
one you know, know where you'regoing.
Yep, have a plan.
Tip two work the plan.
Don't get distracted, don'tstart chasing your tail, don't
(16:02):
you know?
And, for the love of god,understand, some of these things
are going to take time, right,and you may have to readjust how
you're working the plan, butthat doesn't change what the end
goal is.
Debbie (16:13):
The end goal is the same , you just sometimes may have to
take a detour or take anotherroute.
Josh (16:18):
Not a shortcut, though, right, because I'm here to tell
you.
There are no shortcuts in life.
Oh God, no, no, you know numberthree right Paul in Philippians
4 says I know what it's like toabound.
I know what it's like to havenothing.
I know what it's like to havemoney.
I know what it's like to bepoor.
(16:38):
But I am convinced of this thatI've learned the secret of
being content.
I can do all things throughChrist, who strengthens me.
And I go understand.
There's a reason why the Biblecalls it the secret of being
content because we as people arebottomless black holes who just
(17:04):
want more and more and more andmore and more.
Yep, it's very hard for us tolook at life and go.
Debbie (17:13):
I'm content we talked about that it does not mean
settling Right.
Josh (17:18):
Content means hey, I may not have it right now, but
that's okay.
Debbie (17:24):
Right, I'm still going to work for it.
Josh (17:27):
I'm still going to work for it.
I'm still'm still gonna get toit, but it's okay that I don't
have it right now and, and I goand, and this is one of those,
honestly the first two tips andtactics we're giving out here,
you know, one from sean lovejoy,one from stephen covey.
Like those are long range tipsyes, like.
(17:47):
Like those.
Debbie (17:48):
Those could be years in the making and we've seen that,
Um well, we've lived that.
That's what I'm saying.
We, we, we've done that.
Josh (17:55):
Yeah, and still are continuing to do that.
Debbie (17:58):
And there are times where it's like because you
reach this goal and it's like,okay, let's set another one.
Josh (18:11):
Let's set and set another one, and I go and it's the same
thing right, like I don't lookat school.
You know school's gonna be backin a month, right.
If you look at it and go, herecomes the school year.
You know you're gonna beoverwhelmed by that, right,
because it's a lot coming at youright but if you look at it and
go, okay, we only have threemonths till.
You know we only have twomonths till thanksgiving.
You know we only have threemonths till.
You know we only have two monthstill thanksgiving you know, we
only have three months tillchristmas break, you know you
(18:33):
start taking this big huge thing, you start breaking it up and
for me personally, like I do itlike daily, you know I'm coming
in in the morning, I go, okay, Ionly have, you know, five hours
to lunch, right, you know, andyou know lunch came and got.
Now I only have two hours to gohome, like you know.
So it's, you know it's sittinghere and going, like how can I
(18:55):
take this big huge thing andmake it smaller?
right make it manageable, lessscary, um less overwhelming, and
and go okay, now that it's inmanageable pieces.
Debbie (19:10):
Now I can there's that saying how do you eat an
elephant?
Josh (19:13):
it's super easy one bite at a time right and I go, and
that's not that well, you know.
Let's change this to tip numberthree, because that's something
you can do immediately,regardless of what the task is
hold on.
Debbie (19:25):
So what are you changing ?
Josh (19:27):
so the secret to being content is going to be number
four okay this one was numberthree, okay, and and what we're
changing is, you know, it's onebite at a time.
Eat it one bite at a time yepyou know, if you got to eat a
frog, do it first thing in themorning.
Yep, right, you know, and, andmake it more manageable for you.
(19:48):
You'll, you'll be lessoverwhelmed when you're looking
at only one thing instead ofgoing.
You know, and and this issomething and I've talked to a
lot of adults about this right,you know, they're, they hate
their job or whatever the casemay be, and it's like, but what
I want to do, I would have to goback and get a degree for and
I'm like it, and they're like,wow, but that's, you know,
that's a two, that's a four-year, you know whatever project, and
(20:11):
I go, I hear you, but you'reonly taking one class at a time.
Right, you're taking twoclasses.
Debbie (20:16):
You know you could go to school part-time I talked I was
telling you earlier I was, Italked to an attorney yesterday
and not you know, for your own.
No, no, she's just someone thatshe's an attorney yeah and I,
we were talking about somethingand I'd mentioned how that was
my first goal my first goal wasto go to law school um and live
in new york and be single andnot ever get married or have
(20:40):
kids and have chan the bang andhere.
yeah, here we are.
So god knew better than I did.
But, um, you, you know, I gotmy bachelor's, master's, started
working my doctorate and I'mnot done with that.
Hopefully one day.
But I thought I said, you know,but I'm too old now, I'm 45.
And she said I was 48 when Istarted law school and I thought
(21:01):
to myself, oh crap.
And she said you should go back.
If that's something that youwant to do and you're passionate
about, go do it.
And I thought to myself, oh,that's a new goal, I'll finish
my doctorate and then I'll goback to law school.
What is happening in your liferight now?
Josh (21:20):
I want to say something and like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Air burp, yeah, just got trapped.
Josh (21:31):
I don't know, and and that's the thing like, even if
you look at something like lawschool, right, it can be
daunting.
You know, you're sitting heregoing.
Oh, here's another two years,here's another.
Debbie (21:37):
You know, then it's the bar, then it's this but you know
what I've learned being marriedto you but if you go, but I'm
only looking at the next threeclasses I'm taking but even
being married to josh, and howhis mindset is, and and this is
where I think you need toremember who you're around and
who you surround yourself withand that can be tip number four
no, you can't change tip numberfour what you're just saying.
Josh (21:58):
You just, oh, that could be tip number five, five
surround yourself as you guyscan tell, we came up with this
and prepared it right now waybefore hey, we've been talking
about this, but still, um,surround yourself with people
that are going to be encouraging.
Debbie (22:15):
I think about the, the group of men that brought their
friend to jesus.
And you know, um, help me outmy brain cut the hole in the
roof, lowered them down thoseare the kind of friends you want
.
Yeah, don't don't be aroundpeople.
I mean, you're gonna have to bearound people.
Josh (22:30):
That here's the thing.
First, corinthians 13.
Here we go, corinthians again.
Nope, not 13, that's a lie.
Debbie (22:37):
Uh-oh, now you're good, your brain farts have like like
I was saying, surround yourselfwith people that are going to
encourage you, lift you up, andthe people that are going to be
haters and talk a lot of mess,they might.
You might have to be aroundthem for whatever reason.
You don't have to listen tothem, you just go, okay, um,
(23:00):
they're going to be people thatyou talk to that, no matter what
you say, what your goal or whatyour dream, they're going to
tell you why you cannot do it,why you cannot achieve it, how
it's going to be impossible, andthey are going to be that
little noise on the on the sideof your shoulder, just like
nagging, and just just not beinga help.
(23:21):
Those, those aren't your people.
Okay, those people use that toencourage you and motivate you,
but one step at a time, and bearound people that not just
encourage you but you encouragethem also.
Be a help to people, go ahead.
Josh (23:37):
My bad, it was 1 Corinthians 15.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Okay, it says what.
Josh (23:43):
Do not be deceived Evil communications corrupt good
manners.
Debbie (23:51):
That's not right.
What version is that?
I learned it in a differentversion.
Bad company ruins good morals.
Josh (23:56):
Bad company ruins good morals.
Yep, and that's what you'resaying, right?
Debbie (24:00):
Yep absolutely.
Josh (24:02):
And I go all right.
So tip one begin with the endin mind.
Tip two be mean about yourvision, don't get distracted.
Tip three was how did we wordthat one?
Debbie (24:16):
we're, are we on tip five?
Josh (24:19):
no, tip three was make manageable steps right I hope
tip four.
Tip three was that you know,make it manageable, don't be
overwhelmed by it.
It's gonna take, it's a process, it's gonna take time tip four
is learn to be content and andagain.
(24:39):
Being content is not the sameas settling.
Being content is sitting here.
Debbie (24:43):
This is where I am.
This is where I am now, andthat's okay.
Josh (24:45):
I may not be here forever or I won't be here forever, but
I'm good.
Debbie (24:52):
I ain't as good as I once was.
I got this, but I'm better thanI ever was.
Josh (24:55):
And that's the thing, yep, look back, look where you came
from and see where you are.
Debbie (25:00):
Celebrate the small wins , mm-hmm.
You know, and tip five was andthen tip five was five.
Bad company ruins good morals.
Don't hang around people thatare going to bring you down and
bog you down.
Like I said, you might have tobe around them for whatever
reason.
You work with them, you'rerelated to them.
That's typically what happens,just go.
Josh (25:17):
You live next to them, you live next to them just move
Debbie (25:19):
whatever the case may be you just smile and move on and
and again.
There's nothing wrong withcreating a healthy boundary and
going.
Josh (25:27):
I didn't ask your opinion okay, but I think you're kind of
getting sidetracked and makingthis very personal like he's
like you feel something deeplike maybe there's something we
have to talk about off air oh no, I got nothing to do with you.
Debbie (25:42):
Personal.
Josh (25:44):
You know, and I go and again it's have grace with
yourself.
Yeah, now this next one, tipsix.
This is something you can doright now.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You should have been writing these down.
Debbie (25:57):
There's something you can do right now.
Josh (25:59):
Right now you can do this.
Debbie (26:01):
What is it?
Josh (26:02):
Do something.
Anything, anything that is notwhat you're doing, Anything Like
.
If you're like right now you'relike oh, I'm so mad, I had such
a bad day.
If you're listening to this onthe ride home, pull over
somewhere safe, get out of thecar, do some pushups.
Debbie (26:19):
I was just going to say do some jumping jacks.
Josh (26:21):
Yeah, just do whatever it is you're doing.
Debbie (26:26):
Do some jumping jacks yeah, just do whatever it is
you're doing.
Do something that you're notdoing, you're going to separate
yourself from that thing.
It's actually a tactic that weuse when working with kids.
You know, when they're in aspiral or they're dysregulated,
you distract them with somethingelse to get their mind off of
that circle that they're in tobreak and that's not with every
kid.
Josh (26:42):
No, no, no, no, no, some kids, it's like sit down now.
Debbie (26:44):
Yeah, some kids it's.
Yeah, get it together.
Josh (26:46):
But yeah, no, especially with the little ones.
Get your life together.
Debbie (26:49):
Get your life right.
I love when my kindergartnerssay that they're so cute, it's
just going, yeah, it'sseparating yourself for a moment
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and going I'm going to eat, oh,okay, eat.
Josh (27:12):
I'm gonna go to the bathroom, go to the gym.
I'm gonna lay down tomato,tomato.
I'm gonna go fishing.
I'm gonna go, you know, listento a song.
I'm gonna go read the bible, orI'm gonna go like I'm gonna do
something purposefully yeah thatis different than what I am
currently doing and I go um Iwas watching a video the other
day on youtube and and it wastake 30 minutes and sit in a
(27:32):
silent room.
Oh, I love that, you know, and,and that's honestly I, I tried
that starting this weekend.
You know, I it was just yeah Iwas hitting my limit and you
know, you walked into thebedroom and I was just sitting
and you know, laying on, kind ofhalf, half laying on the bed.
Debbie (27:48):
Honestly, I thought Josh had broken and I went oh no, it
happened.
Josh (27:53):
I knew it was going to happen and here it is he broke,
you know just nothing on, youknow except the fan, and was
just like I'm going to take thisand I'm going to focus on Jesus
.
I'm going to listen for thatstill smile, quiet voice and I
just I don't want to hearanything else.
Debbie (28:13):
And sometimes there's a couple of things that I know
like for me.
I'll park, you know, even inthe driveway in the driveway.
I'll tell the kids I'll be injust a minute and I will
literally sit there in silenceand cry Sometimes I do.
I get it out of my systembecause don't bring that in the
house.
We keep that on the front yardbecause I know what I'm feeling,
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does it need to come into thehouse.
Josh (28:40):
I stand by what I was saying.
Debbie (28:42):
You completely made me lose my train of thought.
Josh (28:45):
You sit outside in the driveway and you take that
moment to do the same thing.
Debbie (28:49):
And I know there are other people I've talked to that
do that and they just Iremember when the kids were like
tiny.
Josh (28:56):
When you were working and I was at home with them, you
know and then I would come homeand you would literally go lock
yourself in the bathroom.
Yep, you know and go, hey, youknow and and go, hey, you know
what I'm just, I'm just, I'mgonna take the next half an hour
and I'm gonna take a shower andI'm gonna sit on do my hair and
I'm gonna you know, like allthe things, and I mean I tell
people, find two or three thingsthroughout the day that make
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you go ohthat was nice, thank you yeah,
but you gotta have those, thingswill not be joining in worship
this weekend you gotta have thehobbies right and that's step
seven, tactic seven.
I don't know why I said step.
Debbie (29:34):
Find a hobby, find something that brings you joy
and contentment I don't care ifit's playing legos I was sharing
with someone this morning.
Josh (29:45):
But keep in mind, your hobby is not your life.
Debbie (29:47):
One of the things I genuinely love to do and it
sounds quacky.
I love watching crime showsReal life crime shows, not a
hobby.
It's not a hobby, but itdisconnects me because then I
don't think about I'm not.
It's not very often where I'mnot thinking about something
else that needs to happen orsomething else that needs to get
done.
When I watch crime shows, I'mlike, oh, I want to help
(30:09):
investigate while this ishappening and I know it's
already been taken care of.
But like it makes me think andI'm like, oh well, I wonder if
it was this person or thatperson or whatever the case
might be yeah, but then you lookat everything suspect and like
that is true.
Josh (30:21):
So I came in the house a certain way and you were like uh
, why'd you walk in that way?
Debbie (30:25):
You took two steps sideways instead of three.
Josh (30:29):
I'm like I don't know, I just walked in the house.
Like.
Debbie (30:31):
I'm like uh-huh, I see what's happening here.
And you're like, oh, okay.
Josh (30:35):
Next thing.
You know it's a three dayargument because I watched
something and then had a baddream and I go dream oh and I go
.
Debbie (30:47):
But that's the thing like have something that
disconnects you from everythingelse.
Right?
Puzzles, word searches,coloring books, fishing, yep,
singing loud fishing fishing,really pushing that fishing
thing, huh faith family fishingyeah like I go actually think
about it?
Josh (31:01):
you I have taken literally dozens of people out on the
boat.
How many times have you everheard someone not say that was
the most relaxing time I've everhad?
Debbie (31:13):
Now I will say I I this morning feeling completely
bogged down and waited just likeyou.
I went.
I literally don't want to talkto anyone, right?
I don't want to see anyone, Idon't want any of it.
So I opened my phone and I textevery single person that I have
(31:37):
some type of relationship with.
Josh (31:39):
I hate you and I don't want to see you did.
Debbie (31:42):
Did not say that.
No, and I sent words ofencouragement and I reached out,
knowing that they would bereaching back out because I went
.
I can feel like this, but it'snot okay to live to stay like
this, and I know this is justtemporary and I know myself I
can put myself in a positionwhere I go, I'm not, I don't
(32:02):
want to see anybody, I won'ttalk to anybody, I'm not going
to church tonight, I'm not goingon Sunday, like you know.
I mean it wouldn't go over well, but still I know how I can be.
So sometimes you have to talkto yourself.
Josh (32:13):
So that goes into tactic number eight.
Okay, and tactic number eightis actually the most important
one which is okay, the mostimportant one, which is okay
choice.
At the end of the day,everything you do is a choice,
(32:34):
everything you feel or that youchoose to concentrate on.
Debbie (32:35):
Let me rephrase that oh, that's very, very good choice.
Josh (32:39):
That's why the bible will tell you set your mind on the
things that are above, not thethings here.
Paul is literally telling us inColossians you can choose to
focus on what you want to focuson.
If you want to stay miserable,keep focusing on the things that
(32:59):
make you miserable.
But at the end of the day, whatyou do have to admit to
yourself is it is your choice.
Debbie (33:02):
A hundred percent.
Josh (33:04):
And, and ultimately, that is the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Mm-hmm.
Josh (33:09):
You can have all of the tips, all of the tactics.
Debbie (33:13):
Isn't that on Maslow's, the whole tool?
Josh (33:15):
Self-actualization yeah, but in theory you would never
actually be able to get there.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah.
Josh (33:21):
That's the goal, though, but you could have all the tips,
you could have the wholetoolbox, but if you choose not
to, nothing's going to changeRight, and you're going to keep
living in that rat race, on thatcarousel, in the cul-de-sac, on
, you know, things that goaround Wheels like.
However, whatever illustrationyou want to use, you're never
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going to move past that if youdon't choose to move past that
right, right, and sometimes Iknow I can always speak as a
female.
Debbie (33:51):
I know sometimes we can get bogged down and stuck in the
feeling sorry for ourselves orjust feelings right, but feeling
so, but don't, don't take awaywhat I'm just like.
I'm talking about somethingspecific, feeling sorry for
yourself, and then you giveyourself permission to give
myself away okay, how are yougonna do a worship song now?
Josh (34:15):
I lost my train of thought you give yourself permission to
I don't know.
I was paying attention.
You get bogged down and feelingbad for yourself and you give
yourself permission to suck it.
Debbie (34:29):
I do pay attention when you talk isolate and um really
in the long run.
Josh (34:35):
I mean it feels good for the moment, it does um, but then
you have to play catch up laterand I, and I wouldn't say that
goes to everyone, not just I canalways be females no, I'll tell
you, I think you can seeeveryone like I see it with both
guys and girls like um, andthat's why number eight is
(34:56):
actually the most powerful outof all of it, because it all
boils down to.
You can begin with the end inmind, you can be mean about your
vision, you can watch who youhang out with, you can be
content.
Debbie (35:08):
You can make manageable steps.
Josh (35:10):
You can, you know.
Debbie (35:12):
Have good friends.
Have good friends.
Josh (35:14):
Like all of the tactics, but if you choose not to it
doesn't matter.
Debbie (35:20):
None of that matters, right.
Josh (35:21):
And sometimes it's not what you feel, it's not what you
want to do, it's right.
And sometimes it's not what youfeel, it's not what you want to
do, it's not like, but you haveto at some point.
Just go in the words of thefamous theologian KB.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I'm going to just do it yeah.
Josh (35:34):
And I promise you, 365 days from today, it can be a
completely different thing, 180days from today could be a
completely different thing.
90 days from today could be acompletely different thing.
90 days from today could be acompletely different thing by
the end of today honestly youcould look at this completely
different speaking fromexperience, I'll start with you.
Debbie (35:55):
six years ago, josh needed an office and we had like
a towel closet and Josh emptiedit.
Josh (36:06):
Took all the shelves out, took everything out.
Debbie (36:08):
And he left one little shelf where he could put a
laptop on and he would open thedoor.
Put a chair in there.
Josh (36:15):
No, no, no, no, no, I would open the door and get in.
Debbie (36:18):
Let me finish.
Josh (36:19):
Make JT.
Debbie (36:20):
Let me finish.
Josh (36:21):
Put the chair in behind me .
Debbie (36:22):
I wasn't done.
Josh (36:25):
Yeah, but you said put a chair in there.
I wasn't done, I had to be inthere before the chair.
Debbie (36:27):
I wasn't done.
Josh would have to get in thereand have to get scooted in
because there was no room toturn around.
Looking back now, if there wasa fire, I don't even know if he
would have been able to get out.
I would have to let him out.
And how many square feet isthat?
(36:49):
Two square feet.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Probably.
Debbie (36:53):
Two square feet, but two , but it was tiny.
Josh (36:56):
It was just enough for him .
It was big enough for thelittle chair For the little
chair.
Debbie (37:00):
And that was it.
And today we're sitting in hisoffice.
That's a couple hundred squarefeet, 200.
This was six years in themaking and I remember looking
back going.
Josh (37:10):
I really just wish he had his own office, but again it's
choice, it's going, I'm gonnaput this foot in front of this
foot, in front of this foot, butwe're not talking.
Debbie (37:21):
We're not speaking from a place of like oh, we have no
idea.
Like I tutored for years in theback of a coffee house because
I wanted to open a school, yeah,and then we did and and.
Josh (37:32):
But that's what it was.
It was one foot in front ofanother in front of another.
Debbie (37:36):
Small changes over time right drastically change your
life.
And I say that because thereare we think but we as humans,
we think we need big changesit's the same thing, right hang
on, hang on.
What I was saying was the daysthat I get bogged down and tired
.
I do look back like it'shelpful to look back and go, but
I prayed for this and I askedgod for this and then he gave it
(38:00):
to me.
All right, let me chill outwith my complaining.
Does that make sense?
Josh (38:06):
yeah, but I go.
It's the same thing, like whenit comes to money, right?
You know that there's thatquestion would you rather a
million dollars or one penny aday that doubles every day for
30 days?
And everybody always takes likethe million dollars because we
think this one big, huge thingis what's going to, you know,
make everything all better.
But in, in fact, if you tookthe one penny a day that doubles
(38:27):
every day for 30 days, you windup with like two or $3 million.
I forget off the top of my headhow much it is.
Um, well, we can watch theYouTube video after we get done,
but mathematically it just itmakes more sense.
It's the same thing in our life, right?
We don't want to, you know, dothe work of the diet and the
(38:48):
exercise and the discipline andand all of that $5,368,000.
Debbie (38:53):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Josh (38:54):
So I mean it's literally five times the amount we want,
the pill that we can take, andthen just all the weight melts
off.
And then you know we want theinstant gratification.
And it doesn't work like that.
Like I tell.
You know, and I've told peoplethis before, you didn't get that
heavy overnight.
Debbie (39:15):
Right.
Josh (39:15):
You're not going to get skinny overnight.
You're not going to lose it allovernight Like you didn't get
to the position you were inright now overnight.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Right.
Josh (39:25):
Everything isn't going to be better tomorrow.
It's again having a plan,working the plan, keeping the
blinders on, making sure thepeople around you are around you
for you are encouraging andlifting you up and coming along
the side and and helping you getto that goal.
(39:45):
It's resetting those goals,it's it's, you know, shrinking
down those, those steps and atthe end of it, it's making the
choice to go this is what I'mgoing to do, and I'm going to
just do it Right.
And then it's looking back atthe small victories over time to
give you motivation to keepgoing right to that next step,
(40:07):
to that next mission, to thatnext whatever.
So until next week.
We love you, we thank you.
Make sure you share this.
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Speaker 3 (40:26):
Right, we love you, we thank you can't do this, and
we can't do it without you.
so I what you know better than I do with this stuff that's
right, and this week oh boy Idon't know about you, but I am
extremely tired overwhelmedstress, full of anxiety, like
spent all the things, but I dothink I figured out the secret
(00:23):
to it what?
Debbie (00:23):
What is it?
Josh (00:23):
How to overcome it and everything.
Debbie (00:25):
Tell me.
Josh (00:26):
No, because people are going to have to listen to the
whole episode to figure that out?
Debbie (00:29):
Wait till the end.
We have answers.
Josh (00:39):
Hello and welcome to another episode of Faith, family
and Fishing, where we shareJesus and strengthen families.
And this week, like you heardin the intro, we're going to be
tackling something that,honestly, I see in a lot of
different people nowadays.
It's just that just tired andstressed and all the things and
(01:03):
I go.
It's hard, you know, and, and Ithink there's there's a couple
of different tactics and trickswe can use to strengthen
families through this.
Um, some of them are short termright like you know, they'll
give you you immediate relief.
Some of them on the flip side,are there.
(01:28):
It's a longer process to get,but I will say the longer
processes last.
Yeah, and I think you have adeeper satisfaction in them.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Absolutely.
Josh (01:43):
But it is a longer process to achieve it, so I'm going to
start with just the obviousright.
You look around and I don'tknow it's probably been going on
for you with us just in general, with people.
Definitely.
I was going to say definitely,since you know easy the twenties
(02:03):
, you know, not the roaringtwenties either, but the more I
think about it, it's probablybeen going on since the dawn of
time.
Sure, you know, I'm sure it wasgoing on when I was a kid and I
just didn't see it because yourparents felt it.
Debbie (02:17):
Right, you know, and it's this you're just tired,
just wore down, you're justoverst overstressed and and then
you get tired of being tiredand then you don't even have the
energy to try to get out of the.
I'm tired right you're justlike.
Josh (02:34):
I would just rather lay down here and just give up right
and and I think what a lot ofpeople wind up doing is you just
get stuck.
You're just in that, thatconstant like a carousel.
You just go around and aroundand around okay you're not going
anywhere I probably wouldn'tuse carousel as an illustration.
(02:55):
Just because I'm a guy, okay, Iwould probably said cul-de-sac
well, you can get out of acul-de-sac.
You can get out of this.
You can get off a carousel.
Debbie (03:07):
Touché, good sir.
Touché and Josh is the brainsof our operations.
You can tell I don't do muchdriving.
Josh (03:18):
I just put you on that horse and you're like I'm
trapped.
I can't get out, so how'd youget off when you were younger.
I don't know, I mean, obviouslyyou're not on a carousel right
now.
Debbie (03:30):
No, not physically.
Mentally maybe.
Josh (03:33):
Obviously.
Debbie (03:34):
Okay, you made your point, sir, but even today,
right?
Josh (03:39):
So our day started off like with a bang, right, you
know, I got a text message, hadsomeone reach out and they
needed help, and so that's howour day started off.
And then, you know, luckily,you know, kids wanted to go with
Nana, and so me and you hadsome alone time, yeah, which
(04:02):
doesn't happen often.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
No.
Josh (04:04):
But we were like like hey, before we get into the office,
before we go record and do allthe things that we have to do,
um, let's go grab lunch rightwell, we drove from one side of
our city to the other and andwe're still no closer to
deciding where we were going togo eat at.
Debbie (04:22):
So so much where Josh was like we're parking.
Josh (04:25):
Oh no, I didn't want you to share that part yet.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Okay.
Josh (04:30):
So the cat's out of the bag on that.
But now I'm going to set it up.
For the rest, okay, of what Iwas going to say and as we're
driving, I was telling you, likeit's little things, right, it's
even deciding.
Deciding, hey, where are wegonna go eat lunch at?
Debbie (04:48):
becomes a task yes, you know, and it becomes, you know,
it's not like, oh, what are wegonna have?
For lunch right it's like, oh,we need.
Josh (04:52):
We need some food, and I mean and mind you, we had passed
10 15 different restaurants,you know, and and it was like
nope, don't want that, don'twant that, don't want that,
don't want that, don't want thatI even broke out the maps and
you were like why are youlooking?
So, and and that's where youknow where you were saying yeah,
I got to a point where I waslike I'm just gonna park the car
under a tree we're gonna findsome shade in a parking lot,
(05:14):
park on you know, park the carand we're not gonna leave this
spot until we have a plan rightthis is where we're going.
This is how the rest of the dayis going to look.
This is how this is going tofactor into all of that, Right
and I go, and that is tip andstrategy or tactic number one.
You got to start with a planRight and to even go one bigger
(05:37):
than that.
You can't make a plan until youknow where you're going.
Now, if you've read Seven Habitsof Highly, of highly effective
people.
We did not come up with this,no um, but it is one of the
habits begin with the end inmind right, you, you and you
know it's funny.
Debbie (05:52):
You say that because I had that conversation with one
of the girls yesterday aboutwhat the last two days were
going to look like and I saidyou know, yeah, daddy's always
saying begin with the end inmind you know, I know you guys
get tired of hearing it, butmommy stepped into these two
days with what daddy always saysyou know, begin with the end in
mind, and this was my goal, Isaid.
(06:12):
And then we worked backwards and, just like we always you know,
josh always talks to the kidsabout this Make sure you have a
plan.
Once you know where you'regoing, you can walk backwards
and go okay, this is how I needto get there.
And I talked to the girl orgirls about it and I went
because of that plan.
Everything that I set out thatI wanted to get done got done
(06:33):
effectively.
Right, had I just walked ingoing I mean, I'll see what's
gonna happen I'd be superstressed out about the last two
days, right now.
Josh (06:42):
But seeing that that's where most of us find ourselves
right, we're in the car, drivingaround trying to find a
restaurant.
You know, we've passed all ofthese different restaurants and
that's a micro problem of amacro issue right, but that's
what I'm saying.
It's just an illustration, right?
You know, metaphoricallyspeaking, this is how most of us
are living our lives, right?
We're just like wherever thewind may take us.
(07:03):
We don't really have a plan,right?
Well, here's the thing.
If I were to leave the housewithout knowing where I'm going,
I'll never get to where I'mgoing, correct?
You know you'll.
You'll go hundreds of thousandsof miles and through all of
these tanks of gas, and you'restill not where you're gonna go,
because you have no idea whereyou're going.
Right on the flip side of that,though, if I know this is where
(07:26):
I'm going, then as soon as Ileave the house, every single
turn becomes on purpose I wasgonna say there's a purpose for
it so you know and and there isthe difference that that's
tactic number one right, have aplan.
Begin with the end in mind.
Know where you're going,because when you know when
you're where you're going,that's the other important thing
(07:48):
, right, when you know whereyou're going, it makes it easier
in the rougher patches rightright, like we took a trip up to
Pensacola, you know, a coupleof weeks ago.
It's a seven hour trip from ourhouse.
You know maps said it was sixand a half, but by the time you
add in you know stops for fueland food and potty and all the
(08:13):
different things, I think itwound up taking us like seven
and a half.
Well, the ride up took foreverbecause of the accident.
Debbie (08:18):
I was going to say, and then you know the accident but
that's the thing right.
Josh (08:29):
The same accident, but that's the thing right.
The same thing in life you'regonna have.
Obviously we didn't plan to getinto a car accident, but things
are gonna come up that youdidn't plan for right.
Debbie (08:32):
You know and, and, and, had we been driving to pensacola
and going.
We'll just find somewhere tostay when we get there right we
would have been completelyfreaking out going oh my gosh,
now we don't have a car.
What are we gonna do?
As soon as we got in theaccident, you know, we looked
for a rent-a-car place.
It was two miles down the road,like well, we didn't even have
to right trooper slick he
Speaker 3 (08:49):
was and that is his name trooper slick, that's not a
nickname, sergeant, sergeantyeah, amazing, but like there
was still, even though there was, chaos.
Josh (08:59):
All right, let's get a plan immediately right now, and
I mean, that is how it's notalways how we lived our life no,
but some of the stress in yourlife you have because you're on
this trip and you don't have anend in mind.
You have no idea where you'regoing.
Things are happening, things docome up, emergencies happen,
things like that.
But you're you're kind of justgoing wherever the wind is
(09:21):
pushing you right and kind ofhoping you can figure it out as
you go.
Debbie (09:26):
And that's exhausting.
Josh (09:28):
It is.
Debbie (09:28):
And if you have kids, what you don't understand is
you're exhausting your kids andthey they don't know how to
vocalize it all the time, butthey're stressed because you
don't know where you're going.
Josh (09:40):
So so, tip and tactic Number one is let me think of
that video so tip and tacticnumber one is Just made me think
of that video.
Tip and tactic number one issometimes Nope, this is number
one.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I'm finishing it oh, okay.
Josh (09:52):
Sometimes put the car in park, stop re-evaluate and don't
go anywhere until you have aplan.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Right.
Josh (09:59):
And you're probably sitting here going.
So you don't want me to leavemy house.
No, I don't want you to makeany more life decisions.
Debbie (10:07):
Without having a plan, without having some kind of a
plan, and it might take you alittle bit to get that plan, but
you're still going to save timein the long run.
Right, because you're not goingto be freaking out and frantic.
Josh (10:14):
Well, even going back to school, right, like I did
construction out of high school,and you know I was just aimless
and had no idea.
You know long story right as italways, as it always is for
another day um, but once I satdown and went, hey, this is
where I want to go, I want tohelp people.
I want to you know I want to dosome counseling, I want to I
(10:37):
want to strengthen families itwas I mean it took me 12 years
to finish my associates degree,which is a two year program
right, mind you.
Debbie (10:48):
For those of you that don't know, josh is extremely
intelligent yes, school was notthe problem you were the problem
.
Josh (10:56):
It was constantly well, I'm going to go do this, and I'm
going to go do this and oh,there's a bird like you know,
I'm going to go be an engineeror I'm going to go be this, or
I'm going to go be an engineer,or I'm going to go be this or
I'm going to go be an accountantor I'm going to go back to the
military, whatever, yeah,whatever you know could get me
out of the situation.
I was in the fastest Right Right.
And so it took 10, no, 12 yearsfrom start to finish.
(11:18):
To finish my associate's degree, I did a bachelor's and a
master's in a year and a half.
Yep, because I knew this iswhere I want to go.
So, yeah, that that lead uptook a little bit longer, right,
but once I had that plan, itwas go time.
Yeah, you know, and you canknock it out really super fast.
(11:39):
And even if it would have taken, you know, another two years,
at least I know I'm going there,I'm putting one foot in front
of the other, and that's tactand tactic.
That's not right Tactic and tipto put one foot in front of the
other.
Right, once you have a plan,work your plan.
Debbie (12:00):
And don't let people sidetrack you, because there are
going to be things that comealong and I've got to be a horse
with blinders right, You'regoing to have to.
What's the word?
Be mean about the vision.
Josh (12:08):
Yeah.
Debbie (12:08):
Whatever the vision is, it's your vision.
Keep your eyes open in front ofyou.
Josh (12:12):
And who was that Be mean about the?
Debbie (12:13):
vision, it was that.
Josh (12:19):
That was a book you read.
Debbie (12:20):
And I can see the name you keep talking.
I'll look it up real quick.
So it makes me think about.
Josh (12:23):
Sean, it's not Sean Strickland.
I know that I was like hey.
Debbie (12:27):
I was like nope you keep talking.
I was thinking about the DaveRamsey.
When we did the financial peace, we did a financial peace
university many, many years ago.
And I remember it was a signevery dollar a job.
And you know you keep track ofyour money that way and you you
help stay focused that way andyou know it was something that
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we had started doing with thevery little money that we um,
but it was so helpful to go.
You know that's right.
You don't want to just wastetime and waste your money
because then you're going to beconstantly playing catch up.
It's the same thing with yourtime.
You're just like oh, I got togo to this, got to go to that,
and instead of having a plan,there are times that we have to
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change our schedule becausewe're like this just isn't going
to work for this moment.
Josh (13:15):
Right.
Debbie (13:15):
We need to reevaluate, but even because saying yes to
this?
Is saying no to everything else.
Josh (13:21):
Right to everything else right, right, you know and and
and again.
You have your plan, you'reworking your plan.
It was sean lovejoy yes, seanlovejoy be mean about your
vision, yeah, and, and thatdoesn't mean be mean.
What it means is is put thoseblinders on right don't look to
the left and the right and go.
Debbie (13:39):
This is the plan and I'm gonna work the plan so there
have been times that our kidshave come to us with concerns
and worries or whatever.
And you know well, daddy, this,this happened, and he's like it
doesn't matter.
That's not.
That's not the point.
Josh (13:51):
Keep looking forward because that's what the devil's
going to do, right.
The easiest thing he's going todo is distract you.
Debbie (13:56):
Yes, and think about like we talk about stuff like
that, like even whether it'swith your kids or with marriage
or money, it doesn't matter youeverything could be in the right
spot.
So if the devil can't get youone way, he is going to come at
you another way.
Right?
He knows he can't pluck me frommy father's hand.
He knows I'm not going anywhere, I'm not going to not but I can
belong to.
Jesus can keep you distracted,but if you, he can get me, keep
(14:19):
me distracted and busy, then I'mnot telling other people about
Jesus.
I'm not focusing on Jesus in mymarriage.
I'm not focusing on Jesus withmy children.
I'm not focusing on Jesus withthe school, with, with anything
you know, I'm just and I know Ihave found myself where.
Josh (14:36):
On the carousel.
On the carousel that you can'tget off of.
Debbie (14:41):
Seatbelted to the carousel.
Nobody was there to help me.
Okay, I cried anyway.
Um, that is a true story, butthat's all.
Josh (14:48):
That's for another day, and that's probably why it
popped up I guess it was it wasyou know but that's the thing,
and that's what the bible tellsus, right like there is no sin
that will overtake you that godwill not give you an escape
route.
Debbie (15:01):
Was it first?
Josh (15:01):
corinthians 10 31 or 10, 13, 10, 31 is whatever you do,
whether you eat or drink, do allinto the glory of god.
But I go, and that's why I saida cul-de-sac, because there is
an escape, there's a way to getback out but you see where my
mindset was.
Debbie (15:16):
I was like you're never gonna get out of it, you're just
stuck there forever well, andthat's the, that's tip and
tactic number three, right yes,no temptation has overtaken you.
That god that is not common toman, and god is faithful, who
will not allow you to be temptedbeyond what you are able, but
with temptation, will also makea way of escape that you may be
able to bear it.
Josh (15:38):
What was it first and first.
Corinthians 10 31 10, 13.
I said 13, 13 you said 1031, Idid it first and it was an
accident um, but it's sittinghere and it's going, so so, tip
one you know, know where you'regoing.
Yep, have a plan.
Tip two work the plan.
Don't get distracted, don'tstart chasing your tail, don't
(16:02):
you know?
And, for the love of god,understand, some of these things
are going to take time, right,and you may have to readjust how
you're working the plan, butthat doesn't change what the end
goal is.
Debbie (16:13):
The end goal is the same , you just sometimes may have to
take a detour or take anotherroute.
Josh (16:18):
Not a shortcut, though, right, because I'm here to tell
you.
There are no shortcuts in life.
Oh God, no, no, you know numberthree right Paul in Philippians
4 says I know what it's like toabound.
I know what it's like to havenothing.
I know what it's like to havemoney.
I know what it's like to bepoor.
(16:38):
But I am convinced of this thatI've learned the secret of
being content.
I can do all things throughChrist, who strengthens me.
And I go understand.
There's a reason why the Biblecalls it the secret of being
content because we as people arebottomless black holes who just
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want more and more and more andmore and more.
Yep, it's very hard for us tolook at life and go.
Debbie (17:13):
I'm content we talked about that it does not mean
settling Right.
Josh (17:18):
Content means hey, I may not have it right now, but
that's okay.
Debbie (17:24):
Right, I'm still going to work for it.
Josh (17:27):
I'm still going to work for it.
I'm still'm still gonna get toit, but it's okay that I don't
have it right now and, and I goand, and this is one of those,
honestly the first two tips andtactics we're giving out here,
you know, one from sean lovejoy,one from stephen covey.
Like those are long range tipsyes, like.
(17:47):
Like those.
Debbie (17:48):
Those could be years in the making and we've seen that,
Um well, we've lived that.
That's what I'm saying.
We, we, we've done that.
Josh (17:55):
Yeah, and still are continuing to do that.
Debbie (17:58):
And there are times where it's like because you
reach this goal and it's like,okay, let's set another one.
Josh (18:11):
Let's set and set another one, and I go and it's the same
thing right, like I don't lookat school.
You know school's gonna be backin a month, right.
If you look at it and go, herecomes the school year.
You know you're gonna beoverwhelmed by that, right,
because it's a lot coming at youright but if you look at it and
go, okay, we only have threemonths till.
You know we only have twomonths till thanksgiving.
You know we only have threemonths till.
You know we only have two monthstill thanksgiving you know, we
only have three months tillchristmas break, you know you
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start taking this big huge thing, you start breaking it up and
for me personally, like I do itlike daily, you know I'm coming
in in the morning, I go, okay, Ionly have, you know, five hours
to lunch, right, you know, andyou know lunch came and got.
Now I only have two hours to gohome, like you know.
So it's, you know it's sittinghere and going, like how can I
(18:55):
take this big huge thing andmake it smaller?
right make it manageable, lessscary, um less overwhelming, and
and go okay, now that it's inmanageable pieces.
Debbie (19:10):
Now I can there's that saying how do you eat an
elephant?
Josh (19:13):
it's super easy one bite at a time right and I go, and
that's not that well, you know.
Let's change this to tip numberthree, because that's something
you can do immediately,regardless of what the task is
hold on.
Debbie (19:25):
So what are you changing ?
Josh (19:27):
so the secret to being content is going to be number
four okay this one was numberthree, okay, and and what we're
changing is, you know, it's onebite at a time.
Eat it one bite at a time yepyou know, if you got to eat a
frog, do it first thing in themorning.
Yep, right, you know, and, andmake it more manageable for you.
(19:48):
You'll, you'll be lessoverwhelmed when you're looking
at only one thing instead ofgoing.
You know, and and this issomething and I've talked to a
lot of adults about this right,you know, they're, they hate
their job or whatever the casemay be, and it's like, but what
I want to do, I would have to goback and get a degree for and
I'm like it, and they're like,wow, but that's, you know,
that's a two, that's a four-year, you know whatever project, and
(20:11):
I go, I hear you, but you'reonly taking one class at a time.
Right, you're taking twoclasses.
Debbie (20:16):
You know you could go to school part-time I talked I was
telling you earlier I was, Italked to an attorney yesterday
and not you know, for your own.
No, no, she's just someone thatshe's an attorney yeah and I,
we were talking about somethingand I'd mentioned how that was
my first goal my first goal wasto go to law school um and live
in new york and be single andnot ever get married or have
(20:40):
kids and have chan the bang andhere.
yeah, here we are.
So god knew better than I did.
But, um, you, you know, I gotmy bachelor's, master's, started
working my doctorate and I'mnot done with that.
Hopefully one day.
But I thought I said, you know,but I'm too old now, I'm 45.
And she said I was 48 when Istarted law school and I thought
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to myself, oh crap.
And she said you should go back.
If that's something that youwant to do and you're passionate
about, go do it.
And I thought to myself, oh,that's a new goal, I'll finish
my doctorate and then I'll goback to law school.
What is happening in your liferight now?
Josh (21:20):
I want to say something and like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Air burp, yeah, just got trapped.
Josh (21:31):
I don't know, and and that's the thing like, even if
you look at something like lawschool, right, it can be
daunting.
You know, you're sitting heregoing.
Oh, here's another two years,here's another.
Debbie (21:37):
You know, then it's the bar, then it's this but you know
what I've learned being marriedto you but if you go, but I'm
only looking at the next threeclasses I'm taking but even
being married to josh, and howhis mindset is, and and this is
where I think you need toremember who you're around and
who you surround yourself withand that can be tip number four
no, you can't change tip numberfour what you're just saying.
Josh (21:58):
You just, oh, that could be tip number five, five
surround yourself as you guyscan tell, we came up with this
and prepared it right now waybefore hey, we've been talking
about this, but still, um,surround yourself with people
that are going to be encouraging.
Debbie (22:15):
I think about the, the group of men that brought their
friend to jesus.
And you know, um, help me outmy brain cut the hole in the
roof, lowered them down thoseare the kind of friends you want
.
Yeah, don't don't be aroundpeople.
I mean, you're gonna have to bearound people.
Josh (22:30):
That here's the thing.
First, corinthians 13.
Here we go, corinthians again.
Nope, not 13, that's a lie.
Debbie (22:37):
Uh-oh, now you're good, your brain farts have like like
I was saying, surround yourselfwith people that are going to
encourage you, lift you up, andthe people that are going to be
haters and talk a lot of mess,they might.
You might have to be aroundthem for whatever reason.
You don't have to listen tothem, you just go, okay, um,
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they're going to be people thatyou talk to that, no matter what
you say, what your goal or whatyour dream, they're going to
tell you why you cannot do it,why you cannot achieve it, how
it's going to be impossible, andthey are going to be that
little noise on the on the sideof your shoulder, just like
nagging, and just just not beinga help.
(23:21):
Those, those aren't your people.
Okay, those people use that toencourage you and motivate you,
but one step at a time, and bearound people that not just
encourage you but you encouragethem also.
Be a help to people, go ahead.
Josh (23:37):
My bad, it was 1 Corinthians 15.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Okay, it says what.
Josh (23:43):
Do not be deceived Evil communications corrupt good
manners.
Debbie (23:51):
That's not right.
What version is that?
I learned it in a differentversion.
Bad company ruins good morals.
Josh (23:56):
Bad company ruins good morals.
Yep, and that's what you'resaying, right?
Debbie (24:00):
Yep absolutely.
Josh (24:02):
And I go all right.
So tip one begin with the endin mind.
Tip two be mean about yourvision, don't get distracted.
Tip three was how did we wordthat one?
Debbie (24:16):
we're, are we on tip five?
Josh (24:19):
no, tip three was make manageable steps right I hope
tip four.
Tip three was that you know,make it manageable, don't be
overwhelmed by it.
It's gonna take, it's a process, it's gonna take time tip four
is learn to be content and andagain.
(24:39):
Being content is not the sameas settling.
Being content is sitting here.
Debbie (24:43):
This is where I am.
This is where I am now, andthat's okay.
Josh (24:45):
I may not be here forever or I won't be here forever, but
I'm good.
Debbie (24:52):
I ain't as good as I once was.
I got this, but I'm better thanI ever was.
Josh (24:55):
And that's the thing, yep, look back, look where you came
from and see where you are.
Debbie (25:00):
Celebrate the small wins , mm-hmm.
You know, and tip five was andthen tip five was five.
Bad company ruins good morals.
Don't hang around people thatare going to bring you down and
bog you down.
Like I said, you might have tobe around them for whatever
reason.
You work with them, you'rerelated to them.
That's typically what happens,just go.
Josh (25:17):
You live next to them, you live next to them just move
Debbie (25:19):
whatever the case may be you just smile and move on and
and again.
There's nothing wrong withcreating a healthy boundary and
going.
Josh (25:27):
I didn't ask your opinion okay, but I think you're kind of
getting sidetracked and makingthis very personal like he's
like you feel something deeplike maybe there's something we
have to talk about off air oh no, I got nothing to do with you.
Debbie (25:42):
Personal.
Josh (25:44):
You know, and I go and again it's have grace with
yourself.
Yeah, now this next one, tipsix.
This is something you can doright now.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You should have been writing these down.
Debbie (25:57):
There's something you can do right now.
Josh (25:59):
Right now you can do this.
Debbie (26:01):
What is it?
Josh (26:02):
Do something.
Anything, anything that is notwhat you're doing, Anything Like
.
If you're like right now you'relike oh, I'm so mad, I had such
a bad day.
If you're listening to this onthe ride home, pull over
somewhere safe, get out of thecar, do some pushups.
Debbie (26:19):
I was just going to say do some jumping jacks.
Josh (26:21):
Yeah, just do whatever it is you're doing.
Debbie (26:26):
Do some jumping jacks yeah, just do whatever it is
you're doing.
Do something that you're notdoing, you're going to separate
yourself from that thing.
It's actually a tactic that weuse when working with kids.
You know, when they're in aspiral or they're dysregulated,
you distract them with somethingelse to get their mind off of
that circle that they're in tobreak and that's not with every
kid.
Josh (26:42):
No, no, no, no, no, some kids, it's like sit down now.
Debbie (26:44):
Yeah, some kids it's.
Yeah, get it together.
Josh (26:46):
But yeah, no, especially with the little ones.
Get your life together.
Debbie (26:49):
Get your life right.
I love when my kindergartnerssay that they're so cute, it's
just going, yeah, it'sseparating yourself for a moment
(27:11):
and going I'm going to eat, oh,okay, eat.
Josh (27:12):
I'm gonna go to the bathroom, go to the gym.
I'm gonna lay down tomato,tomato.
I'm gonna go fishing.
I'm gonna go, you know, listento a song.
I'm gonna go read the bible, orI'm gonna go like I'm gonna do
something purposefully yeah thatis different than what I am
currently doing and I go um Iwas watching a video the other
day on youtube and and it wastake 30 minutes and sit in a
(27:32):
silent room.
Oh, I love that, you know, and,and that's honestly I, I tried
that starting this weekend.
You know, I it was just yeah Iwas hitting my limit and you
know, you walked into thebedroom and I was just sitting
and you know, laying on, kind ofhalf, half laying on the bed.
Debbie (27:48):
Honestly, I thought Josh had broken and I went oh no, it
happened.
Josh (27:53):
I knew it was going to happen and here it is he broke,
you know just nothing on, youknow except the fan, and was
just like I'm going to take thisand I'm going to focus on Jesus
.
I'm going to listen for thatstill smile, quiet voice and I
just I don't want to hearanything else.
Debbie (28:13):
And sometimes there's a couple of things that I know
like for me.
I'll park, you know, even inthe driveway in the driveway.
I'll tell the kids I'll be injust a minute and I will
literally sit there in silenceand cry Sometimes I do.
I get it out of my systembecause don't bring that in the
house.
We keep that on the front yardbecause I know what I'm feeling,
(28:36):
does it need to come into thehouse.
Josh (28:40):
I stand by what I was saying.
Debbie (28:42):
You completely made me lose my train of thought.
Josh (28:45):
You sit outside in the driveway and you take that
moment to do the same thing.
Debbie (28:49):
And I know there are other people I've talked to that
do that and they just Iremember when the kids were like
tiny.
Josh (28:56):
When you were working and I was at home with them, you
know and then I would come homeand you would literally go lock
yourself in the bathroom.
Yep, you know and go, hey, youknow and and go, hey, you know
what I'm just, I'm just, I'mgonna take the next half an hour
and I'm gonna take a shower andI'm gonna sit on do my hair and
I'm gonna you know, like allthe things, and I mean I tell
people, find two or three thingsthroughout the day that make
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you go ohthat was nice, thank you yeah,
but you gotta have those, thingswill not be joining in worship
this weekend you gotta have thehobbies right and that's step
seven, tactic seven.
I don't know why I said step.
Debbie (29:34):
Find a hobby, find something that brings you joy
and contentment I don't care ifit's playing legos I was sharing
with someone this morning.
Josh (29:45):
But keep in mind, your hobby is not your life.
Debbie (29:47):
One of the things I genuinely love to do and it
sounds quacky.
I love watching crime showsReal life crime shows, not a
hobby.
It's not a hobby, but itdisconnects me because then I
don't think about I'm not.
It's not very often where I'mnot thinking about something
else that needs to happen orsomething else that needs to get
done.
When I watch crime shows, I'mlike, oh, I want to help
(30:09):
investigate while this ishappening and I know it's
already been taken care of.
But like it makes me think andI'm like, oh well, I wonder if
it was this person or thatperson or whatever the case
might be yeah, but then you lookat everything suspect and like
that is true.
Josh (30:21):
So I came in the house a certain way and you were like uh
, why'd you walk in that way?
Debbie (30:25):
You took two steps sideways instead of three.
Josh (30:29):
I'm like I don't know, I just walked in the house.
Like.
Debbie (30:31):
I'm like uh-huh, I see what's happening here.
And you're like, oh, okay.
Josh (30:35):
Next thing.
You know it's a three dayargument because I watched
something and then had a baddream and I go dream oh and I go
.
Debbie (30:47):
But that's the thing like have something that
disconnects you from everythingelse.
Right?
Puzzles, word searches,coloring books, fishing, yep,
singing loud fishing fishing,really pushing that fishing
thing, huh faith family fishingyeah like I go actually think
about it?
Josh (31:01):
you I have taken literally dozens of people out on the
boat.
How many times have you everheard someone not say that was
the most relaxing time I've everhad?
Debbie (31:13):
Now I will say I I this morning feeling completely
bogged down and waited just likeyou.
I went.
I literally don't want to talkto anyone, right?
I don't want to see anyone, Idon't want any of it.
So I opened my phone and I textevery single person that I have
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some type of relationship with.
Josh (31:39):
I hate you and I don't want to see you did.
Debbie (31:42):
Did not say that.
No, and I sent words ofencouragement and I reached out,
knowing that they would bereaching back out because I went
.
I can feel like this, but it'snot okay to live to stay like
this, and I know this is justtemporary and I know myself I
can put myself in a positionwhere I go, I'm not, I don't
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want to see anybody, I won'ttalk to anybody, I'm not going
to church tonight, I'm not goingon Sunday, like you know.
I mean it wouldn't go over well, but still I know how I can be.
So sometimes you have to talkto yourself.
Josh (32:13):
So that goes into tactic number eight.
Okay, and tactic number eightis actually the most important
one which is okay, the mostimportant one, which is okay
choice.
At the end of the day,everything you do is a choice,
(32:34):
everything you feel or that youchoose to concentrate on.
Debbie (32:35):
Let me rephrase that oh, that's very, very good choice.
Josh (32:39):
That's why the bible will tell you set your mind on the
things that are above, not thethings here.
Paul is literally telling us inColossians you can choose to
focus on what you want to focuson.
If you want to stay miserable,keep focusing on the things that
(32:59):
make you miserable.
But at the end of the day, whatyou do have to admit to
yourself is it is your choice.
Debbie (33:02):
A hundred percent.
Josh (33:04):
And, and ultimately, that is the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Mm-hmm.
Josh (33:09):
You can have all of the tips, all of the tactics.
Debbie (33:13):
Isn't that on Maslow's, the whole tool?
Josh (33:15):
Self-actualization yeah, but in theory you would never
actually be able to get there.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah.
Josh (33:21):
That's the goal, though, but you could have all the tips,
you could have the wholetoolbox, but if you choose not
to, nothing's going to changeRight, and you're going to keep
living in that rat race, on thatcarousel, in the cul-de-sac, on
, you know, things that goaround Wheels like.
However, whatever illustrationyou want to use, you're never
(33:44):
going to move past that if youdon't choose to move past that
right, right, and sometimes Iknow I can always speak as a
female.
Debbie (33:51):
I know sometimes we can get bogged down and stuck in the
feeling sorry for ourselves orjust feelings right, but feeling
so, but don't, don't take awaywhat I'm just like.
I'm talking about somethingspecific, feeling sorry for
yourself, and then you giveyourself permission to give
myself away okay, how are yougonna do a worship song now?
Josh (34:15):
I lost my train of thought you give yourself permission to
I don't know.
I was paying attention.
You get bogged down and feelingbad for yourself and you give
yourself permission to suck it.
Debbie (34:29):
I do pay attention when you talk isolate and um really
in the long run.
Josh (34:35):
I mean it feels good for the moment, it does um, but then
you have to play catch up laterand I, and I wouldn't say that
goes to everyone, not just I canalways be females no, I'll tell
you, I think you can seeeveryone like I see it with both
guys and girls like um, andthat's why number eight is
(34:56):
actually the most powerful outof all of it, because it all
boils down to.
You can begin with the end inmind, you can be mean about your
vision, you can watch who youhang out with, you can be
content.
Debbie (35:08):
You can make manageable steps.
Josh (35:10):
You can, you know.
Debbie (35:12):
Have good friends.
Have good friends.
Josh (35:14):
Like all of the tactics, but if you choose not to it
doesn't matter.
Debbie (35:20):
None of that matters, right.
Josh (35:21):
And sometimes it's not what you feel, it's not what you
want to do, it's right.
And sometimes it's not what youfeel, it's not what you want to
do, it's not like, but you haveto at some point.
Just go in the words of thefamous theologian KB.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I'm going to just do it yeah.
Josh (35:34):
And I promise you, 365 days from today, it can be a
completely different thing, 180days from today could be a
completely different thing.
90 days from today could be acompletely different thing.
90 days from today could be acompletely different thing by
the end of today honestly youcould look at this completely
different speaking fromexperience, I'll start with you.
Debbie (35:55):
six years ago, josh needed an office and we had like
a towel closet and Josh emptiedit.
Josh (36:06):
Took all the shelves out, took everything out.
Debbie (36:08):
And he left one little shelf where he could put a
laptop on and he would open thedoor.
Put a chair in there.
Josh (36:15):
No, no, no, no, no, I would open the door and get in.
Debbie (36:18):
Let me finish.
Josh (36:19):
Make JT.
Debbie (36:20):
Let me finish.
Josh (36:21):
Put the chair in behind me .
Debbie (36:22):
I wasn't done.
Josh (36:25):
Yeah, but you said put a chair in there.
I wasn't done, I had to be inthere before the chair.
Debbie (36:27):
I wasn't done.
Josh would have to get in thereand have to get scooted in
because there was no room toturn around.
Looking back now, if there wasa fire, I don't even know if he
would have been able to get out.
I would have to let him out.
And how many square feet isthat?
(36:49):
Two square feet.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Probably.
Debbie (36:53):
Two square feet, but two , but it was tiny.
Josh (36:56):
It was just enough for him .
It was big enough for thelittle chair For the little
chair.
Debbie (37:00):
And that was it.
And today we're sitting in hisoffice.
That's a couple hundred squarefeet, 200.
This was six years in themaking and I remember looking
back going.
Josh (37:10):
I really just wish he had his own office, but again it's
choice, it's going, I'm gonnaput this foot in front of this
foot, in front of this foot, butwe're not talking.
Debbie (37:21):
We're not speaking from a place of like oh, we have no
idea.
Like I tutored for years in theback of a coffee house because
I wanted to open a school, yeah,and then we did and and.
Josh (37:32):
But that's what it was.
It was one foot in front ofanother in front of another.
Debbie (37:36):
Small changes over time right drastically change your
life.
And I say that because thereare we think but we as humans,
we think we need big changesit's the same thing, right hang
on, hang on.
What I was saying was the daysthat I get bogged down and tired
.
I do look back like it'shelpful to look back and go, but
I prayed for this and I askedgod for this and then he gave it
(38:00):
to me.
All right, let me chill outwith my complaining.
Does that make sense?
Josh (38:06):
yeah, but I go.
It's the same thing, like whenit comes to money, right?
You know that there's thatquestion would you rather a
million dollars or one penny aday that doubles every day for
30 days?
And everybody always takes likethe million dollars because we
think this one big, huge thingis what's going to, you know,
make everything all better.
But in, in fact, if you tookthe one penny a day that doubles
(38:27):
every day for 30 days, you windup with like two or $3 million.
I forget off the top of my headhow much it is.
Um, well, we can watch theYouTube video after we get done,
but mathematically it just itmakes more sense.
It's the same thing in our life, right?
We don't want to, you know, dothe work of the diet and the
(38:48):
exercise and the discipline andand all of that $5,368,000.
Debbie (38:53):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Josh (38:54):
So I mean it's literally five times the amount we want,
the pill that we can take, andthen just all the weight melts
off.
And then you know we want theinstant gratification.
And it doesn't work like that.
Like I tell.
You know, and I've told peoplethis before, you didn't get that
heavy overnight.
Debbie (39:15):
Right.
Josh (39:15):
You're not going to get skinny overnight.
You're not going to lose it allovernight Like you didn't get
to the position you were inright now overnight.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Right.
Josh (39:25):
Everything isn't going to be better tomorrow.
It's again having a plan,working the plan, keeping the
blinders on, making sure thepeople around you are around you
for you are encouraging andlifting you up and coming along
the side and and helping you getto that goal.
(39:45):
It's resetting those goals,it's it's, you know, shrinking
down those, those steps and atthe end of it, it's making the
choice to go this is what I'mgoing to do, and I'm going to
just do it Right.
And then it's looking back atthe small victories over time to
give you motivation to keepgoing right to that next step,
(40:07):
to that next mission, to thatnext whatever.
So until next week.
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