May 12, 2025 • 38 mins
Could your family's digital habits be destroying your relationships more than any banned book? While parents storm school board meetings over inappropriate literature, the unbridled use of technology in homes might be the real enemy we should be fighting.
The passionate debates about removing certain books from schools have dominated headlines, but this episode explores a more insidious threat lurking in the palm of your hand. Most children today barely read physical books—they're consuming content through devices with far fewer restrictions and much more dangerous consequences.
Research consistently links excessive screen time with anxiety, depression, poor self-esteem, and social isolation. Despite being called "social" media, these platforms often replace genuine human connection with artificial interactions. Many young people now lack basic conversational skills because they spend more time communicating through screens than in person. Family dinners, once essential for connection, have been replaced by individual family members retreating to separate rooms with their devices.
Physical consequences are equally concerning—from "tech neck" and early arthritis to disrupted sleep patterns and decreased physical activity. Even our cognitive abilities are changing, with basic memory skills deteriorating as we outsource remembering to our devices. As one educator notes: "We're training our brains to think in 30-second increments, then wondering why we can't sit down and work through complex problems."
The solution isn't banning technology entirely, but establishing healthy boundaries. Start with tech-free zones or times in your household. Take your family fishing, hiking, or engage in other activities that foster conversation. These shared experiences build resilience, teach valuable life skills, and create the sense of belonging children need.
Ready to strengthen your family connections? Follow us at missioncentorg across all platforms and share this episode to help other families reclaim what technology might be stealing from them.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
family and Fishing, where ourgoal is to strengthen the family
through faith and fishing.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh, I thought you forgot family and I was like no,
that was the first thing yousaid.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I know, and that doesn't even matter.
Hmm.
I was going to say like shouldit be family faith, fishing.
Strengthen the family throughfaith and fishing.
Does it really matter?
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Probably not.
No.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
But and I know it's been a few weeks, a few weeks, I
know we missed one episodethere May, the end of April,
beginning of May.
If you are an educator, you getit.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We're sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
we're praying for you there's like a million
different things that have tohappen at the end of the year
and things that happen that youdon't expect, that you have to
deal with because it's the endof the year so, which leads me
to what we're going to talkabout today, because it's
actually something near and dearto our heart, because we're
both educators, and, if you payattention to the news, one of
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the things that has been goingon for quite a while now at
least a couple years is thislist of banned books that you
just see everywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's like school board meetings.
People are reading them outloud, like straight in straight
fights oh yeah like policeinvolved?
Yeah, there's been.
Yeah, I was gonna say there'sbeen times where there has been
uh fistfights there have beenfistfights and there have been
people that have been draggedout by police officers yeah,
people ain't allowed to go backto the school board meetings
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because, like, and I go and toan extent I get it oh yeah, Like
.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I mean some of these books.
I mean they're pornographic.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They're horrific.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah Like they're terrible books.
Mm-hmm, so I'm not like tryingto make it.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You're not promoting the books Not being banned To be
there.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
No, they shouldn't be there Like no, they shouldn't,
Mm and you should be involved inyour child's life like that.
Absolutely Like you know, youshould.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You should know what's available to them, not
available to them.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, and what are they learning?
Absolutely, I mean, think aboutit, your kid spends.
You know, one of the things Itry to get parents to understand
is, for the most part, I mean,as an educator, I tend to spend
more time with your kid Right,especially during their awake
time, than you do as a parent,correct?
So I mean, yeah, you shoulddefinitely be involved in all of
that.
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However, what this has gotten methinking is is banning books
the solution?
Again, I'm not saying thatthere aren't books that they
should ban.
Again, I'm not saying thatthere aren't books that they
should ban.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
But you're asking if all these books get banned, is
that going to fix what's morallywrong and corrupt with our
Because I go, our what Educationsystem the world?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
No, no, no With the family, with the family, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I just wanted to hone in on what specifically you
were talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I don't care about the education system.
There's a reason we started aprivate school, correct?
I don't care about theeducation system.
There's a reason we started aprivate school, correct?
I don't believe in the publiceducation system, do not.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That being said, there are good public educators.
Yeah, I'm not knocking anybody,no, no no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, a lot of our friends are public educators,
and very, very good publiceducators.
It is the system, it is thechurch abating responsibility,
because education used to belongto the church.
They were the ones that triedto educate the people, um, but
but more so and and, like I said, this has nothing to do with
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the education aspect of it, hasto do with the family aspect of
it.
Right and going is banningthese books.
Is that what's going to fix thefamily right?
Like?
Do you really think these kidsare getting all these ideas and
this deviant behavior from?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
books from sitting down and cracking open a book?
Probably not.
I'm gonna go out on a limb andjust go say absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So let's just take a random group of 50 kids.
Sure, two of them might readbooks.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Maybe, and even then I think that might be on the
high side.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Where they're sitting down and opening cover to cover
, just page turner.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Right, I'm just stating the obvious here here.
But is reading really where ourfight should be?
Um?
Because kids, for the most part, do not just sit down and read
anymore.
Now you know what they do spenda lot of time doing scrolling oh
yeah, social, yes, media, see,and that's where I think the
problem really comes in, becauseyou are so hot to ban these
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books and again I agree with youBooks should be banned.
No, I don't think everythingshould fall under the First
Amendment and freedom ofexpression and speech.
But why are you not just as hotto ban the Internet from your
child?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well, I know why I stand.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What well why?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I think, because if parents pay attention, more
attention, and focus more ontheir child social media there,
it's going to take away fromtheir own social media time oh,
I could definitely see that, butlike that's not everybody,
that's just yesterday wasmother's day.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I was having a conversation with my mom about,
like you know, my mom was sayinglike if you look at the
difference in generation fromher parents to her, yeah, there
are differences, but like it'snot huge.
Even if you look at the thedifference in generation from
our parents to us, so Gen X tomillennials it's still yeah,
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there's a bigger gap than fromBoomer to Gen X, but if you look
at the differences inmillennial to zillennial Huge,
or millennial to alphaillennialhuge or millennial to alpha,
holy goodness how like a huge,huge, huge difference in how you
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interact with the world right,how you see the world um, your
worldview, just in general howyou interact in conversation
so one of the things we weretalking about, like when, even
with our kids okay, who you know, one of our kids is a gen z,
the other ones, the other ones,are gen alpha.
You know so they're, you knowthey're on both sides of that
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coin there.
But when you really startstopping and you look at the
difference between even our kids, right right, their entire
world is digital.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Like.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
They can work from home, they can go to school from
home.
Everything on the internet,they communicate, they have
friend groups, literallyeverything.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Order their food.
What we, as millennials, usedto do by going to the mall or
pizza hut or little league oryou know those things.
They don't do that anymore.
In fact, I would argue, like,and and there's a lot of
different research out there,like when you look at the malls,
and there's a lot of differentresearch that shows the the
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decline of the american mall isdue to, like, the online
shopping, you know, amazon andand stuff like that, and, and
I'm sure there, there, that is afactor.
The other factor is, though, isthe mall used to be the social
club right the mall used to bewhere you would go, hang out
with everyone and see everyoneand all of that.
That has all been replaced withdigital community.
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Now, right, I mean, the Bibleclearly states we're made in the
image of God and we are made todo community with one another.
You're never going to get ridof community, but how that
community interacts is vastlydifferent.
So, if we're looking at thisand we're going, okay, are there
more pedophiles today thanthere were when we were younger?
Or are we just more aware of itbecause the information is more
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readily available than when wewere younger?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I think we're more aware of it.
I do think there are moredeviancies because of the
internet.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
And that was where I was going to say I mean it goes
back to that Because now youhave this anonymity, anonymity.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Anonymity A where I was going to say.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I mean, it goes back to that, because now you have
this anonymity anonymity aminute me me, a mini me, Yep.
Now you have this anonymitywhere anonymity these things.
These things can really come tolight now.
These things can you can festerin your deviance in your living
room.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And if anyone knows?
Anything about addiction.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You're just feeding it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Right and eventually that's not going to be enough to
feed it.
They say, feed the beast, andthen you're going to have to go
up one more level, yep, andthat's where you know.
And it's funny, like when youlook at that like that, because
because again, that's sciencecatching up to the bible,
because james goes every man istempted by the desires of his
own heart and desires, whenunchecked, you know, lead to
death or a sin and then sin whenfully grown leads to death
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right again.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Nothing new under the sun, it's just how it looks,
right, how you get there and sowe we've just allowed our
children now to enter into thisdigital world.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And, yeah, I get it.
There are a lot of parents outthere that think they're real
savvy and, oh, I got a block onthis and I got this and this.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You're not that savvy .
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well, not even.
Are you not just that savvy?
Your kids are way more savvy.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Like our generation, we invented the internet right
our kids our kids can runcircles around and definitely
debbie yep, but even me, like jt, a lot of times it's like oh
well, daddy, I know, like blahblah, blah, blah, you, you know
I, all I have to do is connectto this and then connect to that
, and then I can, you know, gothrough.
Like he was telling me howthere are kids in school who,
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like, would connect to outsidewebsites that were allowed in
the school, but from thatwebsite you could browse other
websites right that were notallowed under the blocks right
and but to the, the school.
It looked like you were justlike um, you know they have no
idea joanne fabrics or somethingright and I.
So if you don't think that yourkids are savvy enough to work
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around all of that, they arewrong, and the problem is is we
step back and we give unbridledaccess.
I'm not against technology.
I'm not against the internet.
There, there are good thingsthat come from it.
Right, you are listening tothis podcast right now, wherever
you are, because of things likethe internet, so there are good
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things for it.
Absolutely.
Technology in and of itself isneutral.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Right.
But on the flip side I meanboth of us got our bachelor's
and master's degrees on theinternet.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But on the flip side, unbridled use of technology is
what is hurting your kids rightnow.
The unchecked, unmonitoredright and we do not have the
same passion of going after theinternet as we do of going after
these books right and schoollibraries and again, anyone just
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chiming in the books should bebanned.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
They are horrible books maybe this ain't live.
They can't just be chiming inright now if they just walked in
and they're like someone'slistened and they're walking in.
Books should be banned.
They are horrible books, butthis ain't live they can't just
be chiming in right now.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
If they just walked in and they're like someone's
listening and they're walking in, I'm just saying it ain't a
live program, whatever.
But when we look digitally, youknow there's a lot of things
that I need.
Like, if you're sitting hereand going, how does the internet
affect my family Up?
First, it affects your mentalhealth 100, especially in
children.
There's a reason why, like herein florida I can't remember if
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it was here in florida or it wasnationwide.
Anyway, I know here in floridait's illegal.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You know you have to be 16 or older to have certain
social medias except whenparents are allowing their kids
to do it by letting them lieabout their age.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I understand that, but social media has been linked
to an increase in anxiety,depression and low self-esteem,
particularly due to comparisonswith others' idealized online
portrayals.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Is that for teens or in general?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just in general.
Cyberbullying and onlineharassment can also have
negative impact on mentalwell-being.
Think about this.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You are looking at what someone wants you to see
from their life.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You are looking at something that is filtered, that
is edited.
That is the best moment, Likeno one is sitting here and
taking a picture of well, not noone, I'm sure you can find it
out there, but very few peopleare sitting here taking raw
pictures of hey, my tummy hurtsand look what just happened.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I get what you're saying, yep.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Like no one's putting up a post.
Hey, just got done arguing withmy wife Right, hashtag bless
night.
You know, it's to the point.
You know, especiallycelebrities.
Like you know, it's to thepoint, you know, especially
celebrities.
Like you know, remember, yearsago, bow Wow, I mean rented, you
know it took a stock image of a, of whatever, a G five, g six,
whatever type of plane it was,and tried to go hey, this is my
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private plane, did he really?
Yes, I didn't know that, like,they have actual, actual places
where you can go, like do photoshoots yes, and it makes you
look like you're somewhere else,like you're in a private plane,
or you're in, you know thishigh rise, or you know all of
these other things and I go.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
They're studios and, but yet you're comparing your
real life to that fake life andI mean there are kids that have
been cyber bullied and killedthemselves, and I mean there's
been families torn apart yeah,families torn apart, and for
what?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
and I go.
So the first thing you have tolook at is you don't, you may
not realize it, but it has aneffect on your mental health,
right?
Whether you're a parentlistening to this, whether you
have kids listening to this,whether you're a child listening
to this, it really doesn'tmatter who you are.
Social media is warping how yousee things.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And how you interact in situations, because you're
trying to live that fake life inreal life, because you're
trying to take on thecharacteristics of the people
that you're following, and youcan see it.
I mean and if you're ineducation, you see it it's like
a bunch of little parrots.
Yeah, a bunch of little parrots.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
A bunch of like the little girls.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You don't have to be in education to see it though.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I know, but we get to see it.
And when you see groups of 10,15 girls.
They're all acting and doingthe same thing.
The same stupid TikTok danceSame stupid TikTok dances and
songs and all the things,because everybody is looking at
the same thing you had to giveme a second.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I saw that I had a mouthful of water.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Caught him drinking water.
But it just it's a verydangerous place to be because
your child's brain is stillforming and there are different
stages that their brain forms inand it's literally rewiring
their brain, their thoughtpatterns, their science behind
it.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean and I agree with everything you're saying.
I just don't want to limit thefocus to just children.
Children, because it's the samething with adults like you not
you personally, but like adults,like every time someone likes
one of your posts you get adopamine hit.
And there are people who areliterally developing an
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addiction and they're posting 10, 15 times, you know, a day
trying to get this dopamine hit,trying to figure out this, and
then the other thing you got tothink about, too, is you're
letting an AI algorithm dictatehow you not how you feel Well,
yeah, how you feel, but how youview the world, Because it's job
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like.
Just take YouTube, for instance.
I love YouTube.
Yep, Like I could waste hourson YouTube if I'm not like
careful and disciplined.
Right.
But what we have to understandis the reason I can waste hours
on YouTube is because it has analgorithm that goes hey, this
person watching this account.
If we keep feeding them videosthat are similar to this, then
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they will still stay here, andthat's their goal.
Right.
Whether it's Instagram or TikTokor X or whatever YouTube, it
doesn't matter.
The goal of the program is toget you to stay there right,
because they're they'reultimately trying to get your
attention.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I mean, there are grown adults that are late to
work.
They miss appointments becausethey're so they call into work
scrolling on social medialooking for that next thing to
make them feel good yeah, so Imean, your mental health is just
being jacked by this computer.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Another way physically, even if you want to
look at it.
Physically, excessive screentime can lead to sleep
disturbance, poor sleep habitand decreased physical activity,
contributing to weight gain andother health problems.
You know why?
Because you're not movinganymore.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I don't know what it's called, but it's something
that has to do with your neck.
There are youth and grownadults that have when they're
getting hunchbacked.
Yeah, they're gettinghunchbacked and their neck.
They're young and they'rehaving to go to the doctor and
get therapy and physical therapybecause they're so busy,
Scrouched down playing videogames and their thumbs are
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getting jammed.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
They're getting arthritis, injuries, have like
shot up.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I go.
That's I mean when you weregrowing up playing football,
that was unheard of stuff likethat to happen to people.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Right, and I mean, we had video games.
It's not like you know, we'refrom the dark ages, I mean, and
and yeah, I'm sure if you wereto sit down and go, okay, but
PS2 compared to PS5.
Yeah, you're, you're right, ps5looks a lot better.
More realistic.
It's faster, the you know youcan connect, you know online and
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everything Like I get all ofthat but understand like I
didn't know any better.
So PS2 at the time wasphenomenal.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, but you still had that same.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But what I'm saying is it had that same allure
because you didn't know anydifferent than what.
That was right.
But again and and yeah, therewere times where, hey, you know,
this game came, ace combat cameout, or so calm, or you know
one of those games that you liketo play and and sure you know
you would spend time playingthat game, but you always had it
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in perspective.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You're like all right enough, I got to go Right,
Whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
You weren't up till three, four o'clock in the
morning.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And I think what parents don't realize, adults
don't realize.
You're not like you said, it'snot just about teens.
If you stop your teen or yourchild whatever, from spending
that much time on there and thenyou go outside and do something
as a family where you sit downtogether like you're gonna bring
, you're gonna start healingparts of your family you didn't
realize right we're broken ifyou get outside and go fish like
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get on a boat.
Josh has a ton of fishing videoson mission scent youtube
because that's what we do.
Yeah, we're a water family.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Right, you know.
And then the other funny thingwith this is, too social media
was meant to spur socialinteraction.
However, all research well, notall, but most research shows it
actually leads to socialisolation.
Depression and anxiety andstress, and yeah, it replaces
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face-to-face interactions andhealthy social skills in
development.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
And people meet on social media, I mean a lot like
us, like we were crazy in chatrooms back in the day.
I don't even know what we werethinking then.
But it's different now becauseI mean you're meeting people in
real time and I mean you can getyourself in a dangerous
situation adult or a child well,not that is 100 true and
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accurate, but not even just that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Like there's something to be said, like I
would rather I hate talking onthe phone, like absolutely hate
talking on the phone.
If it's going to be longer thanlike a minute or two that we
need to converse, I would ratheryou go.
Hey, can we go meet?
you know for some tea and icedtea and a coffee right,
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something along those lines, youknow, and then we, we can sit
and talk face to face, right,right.
Because number one, 80% of allcommunication is nonverbal.
So it's how you look, it's thefacial expressions you give,
it's your body language, right?
It's like all of this otherstuff that goes into
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communication, it's not simplyjust the words.
That's why text messages getmessed up all the time well, you
can't read, tone you can't readyou just, you have no idea and
and so like, honestly sit andtalk to a person who spends the
majority of their time online.
You know they they lack a lotof times.
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They lack the ability to have aconversation.
They lack the ability to knowwhat's socially acceptable and
not a they can't because againwhen you're online oh, you're
free.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, you can be whoever you want, right, because
?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I don't even.
You don't even really know whoI am, right, right, but when
you're in person that'sdifferent.
You know there are lines andboundaries.
You know jt can be hot whenhe's sitting here on rainbow six
and and talking about how he'sthis a master, you know,
assassin, but man, you put himin a real life situation where
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the bullets are coming back athim holy and you don't different
story yeah you don't get arespawn
mm-hmm that's a completelydifferent scenario, right?
Yeah?
Them Holy and you don't A wholedifferent story, yeah, you
don't get to respond.
That's a completely differentscenario, right?
Yeah?
Another thing we need to lookat is the addictive nature of
social media.
It can lead to excessive useand interfering with other
aspects of your life, accordingto Granite Hills hospital, like
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there are literally people whoare putting their real life on
hold so that they can actuallylive this fake life right, and
all I can think of is theepisode in the office where
dwight creates a second lifeaccount, you know, and jim's
monitoring them, yes, and thendwight creates a second second
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life for the second life rightyou know and and I like that's
what we see right People thatare just removing themselves
further and further away fromreality.
Right.
Because of whatever reason,right, I don't like, my reality
I don't like.
And the bigger issue therewould actually be Just being
discontent.
Well, do something about yourreality, right?
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Don't just escape.
Right, and that's really whatit is is.
You're trying to escape.
Right, don't just escape rightinto and?
And that's really what it is is.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
You're trying to escape, right, don't just escape
into this well then you pairyou and a lot of yeah do the
hard word right because you playthe compare game right, whether
it's um, we'll look at whattheir kids are doing.
My kids aren't doing that.
We'll look at their spouse myspouse's crappy doesn't do
anything like that.
You know, like stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So you get into a situation where you're going I'm
jealous, or and instead ofstopping and going, hey, I need
to do something different well,sometimes what they're doing is
what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Different is they're totally uprooting their family
and blowing up their lifebecause they think they want.
They want what that person.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Right and you don't realize what that person has
because you're not in thatperson's shoes.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Right and their life might be great, but they also
might work really really, really, really hard in it.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, even like, if you going back to fishing
YouTubers, right Like, um, youknow, bama Beach Bum is is one
of the channels that that I'msubscribed with and you know,
over the past like six, sevenmonths, you know he's he's done
videos talking about how, likeeven videos are.
Are they're changing how peopleconsume or is what is changing?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
well, him and who else?
Who else was talking aboutchuds somebody else was talking
about the, yeah, but that's nota fishing channel though.
Oh um barbecue but where?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
yeah, but where people are no longer consuming
what they call long form content.
You know anything that's over.
You know 10, 15 minutes, that'sthat's long form content quick,
fast and hurry, and it'simpacting.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Think about watching a movie.
Can you sit down, watch a moviewithout at all picking up your
phone?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Can I yes?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Not you in general, oh.
People in general.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But think about like even with your not supposed to
spend more than you know, fourminutes on any given like
activity or topic withoutchanging something, because kids
, they lose focus, attentionspan isn't long enough to to
stay with that and I go.
That's a problem.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Even, um, even with um, working with little kids,
like that's, that's, you knowthey, they tell you like you
have to make it, even in aconversation, like you have to
quickly, one, two, three, moveon one, two, three, but again
you think of things like kahootor quizlet or you know all these
different things and andthey're cool, like they're good
to.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You know tools, but what it is is is it's sitting
here going.
We have to present the sameinformation in a different way
in the way you're used toconsuming information.
And since everything is digital,if I hand you a book or a paper
and pencil, you know, it's eveneven doing that.
Cause we, you know, we tried todo that this year, you know,
(26:07):
because electronics were justtoo much for some of the kids,
right, and so we went hey, look,we're just going to go paper
and pencil, you know, and it waslike okay.
But then you, you, you don'teven realize how much you use
the internet.
Because then it's like okay,you're gonna do a research
project it's like well well, howare they gonna research?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
if they're not electronics, because we don't
have 64 encyclopedia botanicasright?
I mean we do, but they're notup to date and they're at my
mom's storage, or you know, butbut yeah, the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Like, yeah, you know, and that's what Bama was saying
.
He was like you know, it's ifyou want to make, if you want to
have a following.
Now, it's all about short formcontent.
You know shorts reels, you knowthose kinds of things, stories,
those kinds of things, and it'slike.
But what we don't realize isthat's what we're training our
brains to.
(26:54):
Right you want to know why youand your wife can't sit down and
work out your problems?
Because you've trained yourbrain to go.
You are only allowed to thinkin 30 second increments right
think about it like that's whyyou tune people out think about
it, I can remember our phonenumber from 25 years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
30 years ago, like I, I could 40732, you know, and
it's someone else's phone number, so I'm not gonna say, one of
the numbers is still the samenumbers but I go, no, no, no, no
, that that hasn't been.
Are you talking about thecomputer room?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
yeah, but my mom.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
That hasn't been my mom's phone number, though, for
a couple of years now but theone that your mom oh no, you did
not what don't do that,especially into the mic so the
number your mom has now is thenumber she had when we started
dating she doesn't have thatnumber and hasn't had that in
years, but it's someone else'snumber.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Now they got rid of the phone.
Oh they, all she has is hercell phone.
Now they got rid of the phoneoh they did.
All she has is her cell phonenow, oh, but I can still
remember that number from 20years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Oh wow, Now that I think about it, I guess I
haven't called her else.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No, you haven't.
Huh, and I go.
But think about that.
How many people remember phonenumbers anymore?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Right, yeah, I still remember mine 407-671-0.
Well, it doesn't matter,because probably it belongs to
somebody else, but you know whatI mean.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, no, we don't remember stuff like that anymore
.
No, we are actually losingmemory because we don't have to
remember anything anymore,because you just take an app out
, you make a voice memo, youwrite a note.
I can literally tell thedifferent things to give me to
be careful with what you'resaying set an alarm for the next
day, like just tell her to yeah, and that's what I mean, and so
(28:45):
we don't have to depend on thatanymore.
So we lose that ability to dothat.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
They don't do spelling tests anymore, like
right, there's, but there'scertain research behind that, so
I'm but what I'm talking aboutis memorization memorization.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Think about it right now, and I forget the exact stat
.
So I'm not going to give theexact stat number.
But barna was talking about howmany people in america can
actually quote verses from thebible, you know, and these are
like self-proclaimed christians,these aren't like atheists
right and?
And why can't we memorize Bibleverses?
That's true, yeah, because wedon't memorize anything anymore,
(29:22):
because we don't have tomemorize anything anymore,
because we have a supercomputereverywhere we go.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And just imagine if everything shut down
electronically.
Internet wise I would love it.
I'm just saying like the impactit would have on society.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You got to get closer to the mic, the impact it would
have on society.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I mean, I think people would go stir crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, think about it.
How many?
How many families?
If you know and you youlistening, if you do this, let
us know.
But how many families sit downand eat dinner together?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Right, and you're not talking about like just, you're
not talking about sitting downat a table where everything's
set and there's like play setsand stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But like.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
But even if you're eating dinner in the family room
with the TV on and you have ashow that your family watches,
right, like, do you understandthe health benefits of that?
Do you understand that yourkids knowing, okay, okay,
there's somewhere safe for me tobe, that I can just be me,
right, that I don't have to tryto live up to the standards of
everybody else online, right?
(30:24):
Or if you, as a wife, whereyou're sitting here going okay,
like, no, he values me, I don'thave to be like that wife right
or vice versa, you versa, youknow, as a husband.
Oh no, she values me.
I don't have to be like thathusband, like the health
benefits that go with justsitting down and eating dinner
together.
Yeah, I think it was four timesa night or four times a week.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, it gives the kids a space to have
conversations.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Right, but that's not what we do.
Right, right, right, but that'snot what we do, right, right.
I mean, I've seen, I've seenlike kids that can, that can't
even walk in a grocery store andthe parents are just like here
take the phone because it'seasier than dealing with you,
yep or like quit being lazy orlike um, I mean, we've been
places and we've had heardconversations where everybody
gets their dinner and everyonejust goes to a separate room
(31:16):
yeah and everyone's havingdinner by themselves.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I mean that creates a space of isolation and
loneliness in your child andthat's what we're talking about
with social isolation, you don'teven realize you are creating a
a space for them to beunhealthy emotionally they're
not going to be able to interactwith?
How are they going to talk totheir spouse or their girlfriend
or but that's what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Like this goes so much deeper and this is actually
it.
Like if you were to sit hereand look at this, this is public
enemy number one.
Right here you want to talkabout something that is just
absolutely destroying the family.
It is the and again, I don'twant to say it is the internet
it's the unbridled, it's themisuse of the internet and like
(32:02):
I was sitting here as a mom, Iwas sitting here thinking about
it.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Think about your kids eating their dinner in their
room by themselves.
One day, they're going to beout of your house and they're
going to be in their ownfamilies and then you're going
to complain because they nevercome back and see you.
Why do you think they would wantto come over and have dinner
with you when you never haddinner with them to begin with?
Right, you're not bringing themback to a memory, you're trying
(32:26):
to create something new andthey're going to be like.
This is not normal, right?
Why on earth is my mom or mydad trying to have me over?
They didn't give a crap when Iwas there and it 100 and if they
marry somebody whose family wasthe exact opposite, that did
sit down and have dinner, I meanthey're going to see a whole
different way of life.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You're you're building the future and but
seeing, that's what I think youknow, because you see people
talk about, oh, breakinggenerational curses all the time
yeah I go.
You do realize, in order tobreak a generational curse, you
have to do it different than howit was done for you, right,
because a lot of the times,these vicious cycles, we see
(33:05):
it's you just did the same thingjust in a different way, right,
and I go.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You want different do different Yep Absolutely and
don't complain about it.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You want your family to be stronger, spend time
together.
Yep, get outside.
Yep, get outside, go fishing,go fishing.
I'm telling you.
You put your family on a boat.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Guess what you can't do at that point leave and if
you don't know how to fish,watch a fishing video hit me up,
I'll take you fishing I meandepending on where you live.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, no, hit me up, you can fly down to florida, I
will take you fishing.
I will, depending on where youlive.
Yeah, nope, hit me up, you canfly down to florida, I will take
you fishing, I will put you onfish.
All of the things, and and andseriously, even we like we go
out of town, right, sometimeswe'll look for a charter, you
know, to go, because I'm notgoing to take the boat
everywhere.
We went out on one charter andI was talking to the captain.
He was sitting here and goinglike you know how many times and
(33:56):
and these aren't cheap, like wedon't charge, we like ours is
completely free, but you know,the average is like five hundred
dollars for four hours.
It's like 125 an hour to go outand fish.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Wow, oh, yeah, that's right.
The four hours yeah, that'sright not including a tip.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You know, when I was talking to this one charter
captain, when we were down inthe keys and he was telling me
like I'd be shocked at how manyyou know dads and sons, come out
and he's like I'm taking thephone away from the child
because I'm like your dad paid alot of money for you guys to be
here.
You're gonna fish while you'rehere, right you get back on the
phone when you get back on land.
That that's fine.
That's between you and your dad.
(34:31):
But while you're here, this iswhat you're going to do, right,
and he's like man.
You would be shocked at howmany um times the kid would wind
up thanking them.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Because he had such a good time, because he got to
experience something that hedoesn't normally experience, and
I go and that's really that'swhat it is.
Right, creating new experiences, that memories and you know,
and, and those things turn intoskills, real memories, not ones
that they see on the internetright and those things turn into
skills.
Like, if you take fishing, likeyou know you may think it's only
fishing, but it's time you'respending with your child, right,
(35:05):
it's teaching them one to beself-sufficient.
You know, jt, when, when he waslittle, remember like we would
go out fishing and you know Iwent, if you want fish, he was
scared to death to touch shrimpTo shrimp.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, they are kind of scary when you first start
touching them, so I give themthat.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But you know, and I told him, like, if you want, if
you want to fish, you're goingto get your shrimp out.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Right.
And then there was oneparticular instance where he did
not want to.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
There was something that hold on, threw me off um,
where he didn't want to touchthe shrimp.
He didn't want to touch theshrimp and I mean he was
screaming and crying and andjosh said this is it?
you either touch that shrimp andput it on your hook or you're
not going fishing again rightand he screamed and he cried and
he picked up the shrimp and heput it on his hook and then he
threw the line in and caught afish and then it's been on ever
(36:00):
since and then all of a suddenwent oh, I can do things that
scare me.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yep, see, understanding like you're not
gonna be ruled by fear, which isa different podcast, but right,
you know what I mean right so Igo.
Here's the thing start, startwith a day, start with screen
time.
Our kids have screen time ontheir electronics, not because
of any other reason, but I go.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
You're still a child and you still need to have some
restraint.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yes, because you're just not there yet and I know
you won't have the restraintRight.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And you'll be there eventually.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But if no one's showing you and teaching you
right, why would you ever?
So this week, start with a dayjust go like and I go, I get it.
I might be idealistic going,hey, we're not going to have
electronics on sunday orwhatever the case may be.
For me it's easy right, becausefor the most part I don't care.
The only time I really willplay on my phone is in the
bathroom, and that's onlybecause it's.
We have found it is nowdisgusting to have magazines in
the bathroom but okay, that's adifferent podcast but not even a
(37:08):
podcast.
We don't even talk about thatbut I go set time apart and just
go a five to seven every day.
We're not, no're not, noelectronics Right?
Hey, we're going to eat dinner.
No electronics.
Hey, you know, we're going totake a walk after dinner.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
No electronics and you can have on your phone.
We're only certain, is that JT?
We're only certain people cantext you at certain times.
I mean, you can set it up thatway.
So do you have anything else?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I do not.
So, at the risk of soundinglike a hypocrite, if you listen
this far, I'm assumingelectronics don't have a rule
over your life.
Send this to someone you know.
Share it with them they mayneed it if they're going to be
on their electronic anyway havethem learn something at least
(37:56):
have them, you know, do so in away that's going to bring up
their family I agree and bringglory to jesus yep so until next
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Hello and welcome to anotherepisode with faith, family,
(00:22):
family and Fishing, where ourgoal is to strengthen the family
through faith and fishing.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh, I thought you forgot family and I was like no,
that was the first thing yousaid.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I know, and that doesn't even matter.
Hmm.
I was going to say like shouldit be family faith, fishing.
Strengthen the family throughfaith and fishing.
Does it really matter?
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Probably not.
No.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
But and I know it's been a few weeks, a few weeks, I
know we missed one episodethere May, the end of April,
beginning of May.
If you are an educator, you getit.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We're sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
we're praying for you there's like a million
different things that have tohappen at the end of the year
and things that happen that youdon't expect, that you have to
deal with because it's the endof the year so, which leads me
to what we're going to talkabout today, because it's
actually something near and dearto our heart, because we're
both educators, and, if you payattention to the news, one of
(01:27):
the things that has been goingon for quite a while now at
least a couple years is thislist of banned books that you
just see everywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's like school board meetings.
People are reading them outloud, like straight in straight
fights oh yeah like policeinvolved?
Yeah, there's been.
Yeah, I was gonna say there'sbeen times where there has been
uh fistfights there have beenfistfights and there have been
people that have been draggedout by police officers yeah,
people ain't allowed to go backto the school board meetings
(01:59):
because, like, and I go and toan extent I get it oh yeah, Like
.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I mean some of these books.
I mean they're pornographic.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They're horrific.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah Like they're terrible books.
Mm-hmm, so I'm not like tryingto make it.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You're not promoting the books Not being banned To be
there.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
No, they shouldn't be there Like no, they shouldn't,
Mm and you should be involved inyour child's life like that.
Absolutely Like you know, youshould.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You should know what's available to them, not
available to them.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, and what are they learning?
Absolutely, I mean, think aboutit, your kid spends.
You know, one of the things Itry to get parents to understand
is, for the most part, I mean,as an educator, I tend to spend
more time with your kid Right,especially during their awake
time, than you do as a parent,correct?
So I mean, yeah, you shoulddefinitely be involved in all of
that.
(02:51):
However, what this has gotten methinking is is banning books
the solution?
Again, I'm not saying thatthere aren't books that they
should ban.
Again, I'm not saying thatthere aren't books that they
should ban.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
But you're asking if all these books get banned, is
that going to fix what's morallywrong and corrupt with our
Because I go, our what Educationsystem the world?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
No, no, no With the family, with the family, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I just wanted to hone in on what specifically you
were talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I don't care about the education system.
There's a reason we started aprivate school, correct?
I don't care about theeducation system.
There's a reason we started aprivate school, correct?
I don't believe in the publiceducation system, do not.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That being said, there are good public educators.
Yeah, I'm not knocking anybody,no, no no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, a lot of our friends are public educators,
and very, very good publiceducators.
It is the system, it is thechurch abating responsibility,
because education used to belongto the church.
They were the ones that triedto educate the people, um, but
but more so and and, like I said, this has nothing to do with
(03:55):
the education aspect of it, hasto do with the family aspect of
it.
Right and going is banningthese books.
Is that what's going to fix thefamily right?
Like?
Do you really think these kidsare getting all these ideas and
this deviant behavior from?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
books from sitting down and cracking open a book?
Probably not.
I'm gonna go out on a limb andjust go say absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So let's just take a random group of 50 kids.
Sure, two of them might readbooks.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Maybe, and even then I think that might be on the
high side.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Where they're sitting down and opening cover to cover
, just page turner.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Right, I'm just stating the obvious here here.
But is reading really where ourfight should be?
Um?
Because kids, for the most part, do not just sit down and read
anymore.
Now you know what they do spenda lot of time doing scrolling oh
yeah, social, yes, media, see,and that's where I think the
problem really comes in, becauseyou are so hot to ban these
(05:05):
books and again I agree with youBooks should be banned.
No, I don't think everythingshould fall under the First
Amendment and freedom ofexpression and speech.
But why are you not just as hotto ban the Internet from your
child?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well, I know why I stand.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What well why?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I think, because if parents pay attention, more
attention, and focus more ontheir child social media there,
it's going to take away fromtheir own social media time oh,
I could definitely see that, butlike that's not everybody,
that's just yesterday wasmother's day.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I was having a conversation with my mom about,
like you know, my mom was sayinglike if you look at the
difference in generation fromher parents to her, yeah, there
are differences, but like it'snot huge.
Even if you look at the thedifference in generation from
our parents to us, so Gen X tomillennials it's still yeah,
(06:09):
there's a bigger gap than fromBoomer to Gen X, but if you look
at the differences inmillennial to zillennial Huge,
or millennial to alphaillennialhuge or millennial to alpha,
holy goodness how like a huge,huge, huge difference in how you
(06:34):
interact with the world right,how you see the world um, your
worldview, just in general howyou interact in conversation
so one of the things we weretalking about, like when, even
with our kids okay, who you know, one of our kids is a gen z,
the other ones, the other ones,are gen alpha.
You know so they're, you knowthey're on both sides of that
(06:56):
coin there.
But when you really startstopping and you look at the
difference between even our kids, right right, their entire
world is digital.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Like.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
They can work from home, they can go to school from
home.
Everything on the internet,they communicate, they have
friend groups, literallyeverything.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Order their food.
What we, as millennials, usedto do by going to the mall or
pizza hut or little league oryou know those things.
They don't do that anymore.
In fact, I would argue, like,and and there's a lot of
different research out there,like when you look at the malls,
and there's a lot of differentresearch that shows the the
(07:46):
decline of the american mall isdue to, like, the online
shopping, you know, amazon andand stuff like that, and, and
I'm sure there, there, that is afactor.
The other factor is, though, isthe mall used to be the social
club right the mall used to bewhere you would go, hang out
with everyone and see everyoneand all of that.
That has all been replaced withdigital community.
(08:08):
Now, right, I mean, the Bibleclearly states we're made in the
image of God and we are made todo community with one another.
You're never going to get ridof community, but how that
community interacts is vastlydifferent.
So, if we're looking at thisand we're going, okay, are there
more pedophiles today thanthere were when we were younger?
Or are we just more aware of itbecause the information is more
(08:31):
readily available than when wewere younger?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I think we're more aware of it.
I do think there are moredeviancies because of the
internet.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
And that was where I was going to say I mean it goes
back to that Because now youhave this anonymity, anonymity.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Anonymity A where I was going to say.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I mean, it goes back to that, because now you have
this anonymity anonymity aminute me me, a mini me, Yep.
Now you have this anonymitywhere anonymity these things.
These things can really come tolight now.
These things can you can festerin your deviance in your living
room.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And if anyone knows?
Anything about addiction.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You're just feeding it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Right and eventually that's not going to be enough to
feed it.
They say, feed the beast, andthen you're going to have to go
up one more level, yep, andthat's where you know.
And it's funny, like when youlook at that like that, because
because again, that's sciencecatching up to the bible,
because james goes every man istempted by the desires of his
own heart and desires, whenunchecked, you know, lead to
death or a sin and then sin whenfully grown leads to death
(09:36):
right again.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Nothing new under the sun, it's just how it looks,
right, how you get there and sowe we've just allowed our
children now to enter into thisdigital world.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And, yeah, I get it.
There are a lot of parents outthere that think they're real
savvy and, oh, I got a block onthis and I got this and this.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You're not that savvy .
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well, not even.
Are you not just that savvy?
Your kids are way more savvy.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Like our generation, we invented the internet right
our kids our kids can runcircles around and definitely
debbie yep, but even me, like jt, a lot of times it's like oh
well, daddy, I know, like blahblah, blah, blah, you, you know
I, all I have to do is connectto this and then connect to that
, and then I can, you know, gothrough.
Like he was telling me howthere are kids in school who,
(10:25):
like, would connect to outsidewebsites that were allowed in
the school, but from thatwebsite you could browse other
websites right that were notallowed under the blocks right
and but to the, the school.
It looked like you were justlike um, you know they have no
idea joanne fabrics or somethingright and I.
So if you don't think that yourkids are savvy enough to work
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around all of that, they arewrong, and the problem is is we
step back and we give unbridledaccess.
I'm not against technology.
I'm not against the internet.
There, there are good thingsthat come from it.
Right, you are listening tothis podcast right now, wherever
you are, because of things likethe internet, so there are good
(11:07):
things for it.
Absolutely.
Technology in and of itself isneutral.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Right.
But on the flip side I meanboth of us got our bachelor's
and master's degrees on theinternet.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But on the flip side, unbridled use of technology is
what is hurting your kids rightnow.
The unchecked, unmonitoredright and we do not have the
same passion of going after theinternet as we do of going after
these books right and schoollibraries and again, anyone just
(11:38):
chiming in the books should bebanned.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
They are horrible books maybe this ain't live.
They can't just be chiming inright now if they just walked in
and they're like someone'slistened and they're walking in.
Books should be banned.
They are horrible books, butthis ain't live they can't just
be chiming in right now.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
If they just walked in and they're like someone's
listening and they're walking in, I'm just saying it ain't a
live program, whatever.
But when we look digitally, youknow there's a lot of things
that I need.
Like, if you're sitting hereand going, how does the internet
affect my family Up?
First, it affects your mentalhealth 100, especially in
children.
There's a reason why, like herein florida I can't remember if
(12:10):
it was here in florida or it wasnationwide.
Anyway, I know here in floridait's illegal.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You know you have to be 16 or older to have certain
social medias except whenparents are allowing their kids
to do it by letting them lieabout their age.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I understand that, but social media has been linked
to an increase in anxiety,depression and low self-esteem,
particularly due to comparisonswith others' idealized online
portrayals.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Is that for teens or in general?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just in general.
Cyberbullying and onlineharassment can also have
negative impact on mentalwell-being.
Think about this.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You are looking at what someone wants you to see
from their life.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You are looking at something that is filtered, that
is edited.
That is the best moment, Likeno one is sitting here and
taking a picture of well, not noone, I'm sure you can find it
out there, but very few peopleare sitting here taking raw
pictures of hey, my tummy hurtsand look what just happened.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I get what you're saying, yep.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Like no one's putting up a post.
Hey, just got done arguing withmy wife Right, hashtag bless
night.
You know, it's to the point.
You know, especiallycelebrities.
Like you know, it's to thepoint, you know, especially
celebrities.
Like you know, remember, yearsago, bow Wow, I mean rented, you
know it took a stock image of a, of whatever, a G five, g six,
whatever type of plane it was,and tried to go hey, this is my
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private plane, did he really?
Yes, I didn't know that, like,they have actual, actual places
where you can go, like do photoshoots yes, and it makes you
look like you're somewhere else,like you're in a private plane,
or you're in, you know thishigh rise, or you know all of
these other things and I go.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
They're studios and, but yet you're comparing your
real life to that fake life andI mean there are kids that have
been cyber bullied and killedthemselves, and I mean there's
been families torn apart yeah,families torn apart, and for
what?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
and I go.
So the first thing you have tolook at is you don't, you may
not realize it, but it has aneffect on your mental health,
right?
Whether you're a parentlistening to this, whether you
have kids listening to this,whether you're a child listening
to this, it really doesn'tmatter who you are.
Social media is warping how yousee things.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And how you interact in situations, because you're
trying to live that fake life inreal life, because you're
trying to take on thecharacteristics of the people
that you're following, and youcan see it.
I mean and if you're ineducation, you see it it's like
a bunch of little parrots.
Yeah, a bunch of little parrots.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
A bunch of like the little girls.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You don't have to be in education to see it though.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I know, but we get to see it.
And when you see groups of 10,15 girls.
They're all acting and doingthe same thing.
The same stupid TikTok danceSame stupid TikTok dances and
songs and all the things,because everybody is looking at
the same thing you had to giveme a second.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I saw that I had a mouthful of water.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Caught him drinking water.
But it just it's a verydangerous place to be because
your child's brain is stillforming and there are different
stages that their brain forms inand it's literally rewiring
their brain, their thoughtpatterns, their science behind
it.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean and I agree with everything you're saying.
I just don't want to limit thefocus to just children.
Children, because it's the samething with adults like you not
you personally, but like adults,like every time someone likes
one of your posts you get adopamine hit.
And there are people who areliterally developing an
(15:49):
addiction and they're posting 10, 15 times, you know, a day
trying to get this dopamine hit,trying to figure out this, and
then the other thing you got tothink about, too, is you're
letting an AI algorithm dictatehow you not how you feel Well,
yeah, how you feel, but how youview the world, Because it's job
(16:10):
like.
Just take YouTube, for instance.
I love YouTube.
Yep, Like I could waste hourson YouTube if I'm not like
careful and disciplined.
Right.
But what we have to understandis the reason I can waste hours
on YouTube is because it has analgorithm that goes hey, this
person watching this account.
If we keep feeding them videosthat are similar to this, then
(16:36):
they will still stay here, andthat's their goal.
Right.
Whether it's Instagram or TikTokor X or whatever YouTube, it
doesn't matter.
The goal of the program is toget you to stay there right,
because they're they'reultimately trying to get your
attention.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I mean, there are grown adults that are late to
work.
They miss appointments becausethey're so they call into work
scrolling on social medialooking for that next thing to
make them feel good yeah, so Imean, your mental health is just
being jacked by this computer.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Another way physically, even if you want to
look at it.
Physically, excessive screentime can lead to sleep
disturbance, poor sleep habitand decreased physical activity,
contributing to weight gain andother health problems.
You know why?
Because you're not movinganymore.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I don't know what it's called, but it's something
that has to do with your neck.
There are youth and grownadults that have when they're
getting hunchbacked.
Yeah, they're gettinghunchbacked and their neck.
They're young and they'rehaving to go to the doctor and
get therapy and physical therapybecause they're so busy,
Scrouched down playing videogames and their thumbs are
(17:49):
getting jammed.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
They're getting arthritis, injuries, have like
shot up.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I go.
That's I mean when you weregrowing up playing football,
that was unheard of stuff likethat to happen to people.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Right, and I mean, we had video games.
It's not like you know, we'refrom the dark ages, I mean, and
and yeah, I'm sure if you wereto sit down and go, okay, but
PS2 compared to PS5.
Yeah, you're, you're right, ps5looks a lot better.
More realistic.
It's faster, the you know youcan connect, you know online and
(18:21):
everything Like I get all ofthat but understand like I
didn't know any better.
So PS2 at the time wasphenomenal.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, but you still had that same.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But what I'm saying is it had that same allure
because you didn't know anydifferent than what.
That was right.
But again and and yeah, therewere times where, hey, you know,
this game came, ace combat cameout, or so calm, or you know
one of those games that you liketo play and and sure you know
you would spend time playingthat game, but you always had it
(18:52):
in perspective.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You're like all right enough, I got to go Right,
Whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
You weren't up till three, four o'clock in the
morning.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And I think what parents don't realize, adults
don't realize.
You're not like you said, it'snot just about teens.
If you stop your teen or yourchild whatever, from spending
that much time on there and thenyou go outside and do something
as a family where you sit downtogether like you're gonna bring
, you're gonna start healingparts of your family you didn't
realize right we're broken ifyou get outside and go fish like
(19:23):
get on a boat.
Josh has a ton of fishing videoson mission scent youtube
because that's what we do.
Yeah, we're a water family.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Right, you know.
And then the other funny thingwith this is, too social media
was meant to spur socialinteraction.
However, all research well, notall, but most research shows it
actually leads to socialisolation.
Depression and anxiety andstress, and yeah, it replaces
(19:54):
face-to-face interactions andhealthy social skills in
development.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
And people meet on social media, I mean a lot like
us, like we were crazy in chatrooms back in the day.
I don't even know what we werethinking then.
But it's different now becauseI mean you're meeting people in
real time and I mean you can getyourself in a dangerous
situation adult or a child well,not that is 100 true and
(20:19):
accurate, but not even just that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Like there's something to be said, like I
would rather I hate talking onthe phone, like absolutely hate
talking on the phone.
If it's going to be longer thanlike a minute or two that we
need to converse, I would ratheryou go.
Hey, can we go meet?
you know for some tea and icedtea and a coffee right,
(20:41):
something along those lines, youknow, and then we, we can sit
and talk face to face, right,right.
Because number one, 80% of allcommunication is nonverbal.
So it's how you look, it's thefacial expressions you give,
it's your body language, right?
It's like all of this otherstuff that goes into
(21:04):
communication, it's not simplyjust the words.
That's why text messages getmessed up all the time well, you
can't read, tone you can't readyou just, you have no idea and
and so like, honestly sit andtalk to a person who spends the
majority of their time online.
You know they they lack a lotof times.
(21:28):
They lack the ability to have aconversation.
They lack the ability to knowwhat's socially acceptable and
not a they can't because againwhen you're online oh, you're
free.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, you can be whoever you want, right, because
?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I don't even.
You don't even really know whoI am, right, right, but when
you're in person that'sdifferent.
You know there are lines andboundaries.
You know jt can be hot whenhe's sitting here on rainbow six
and and talking about how he'sthis a master, you know,
assassin, but man, you put himin a real life situation where
(22:03):
the bullets are coming back athim holy and you don't different
story yeah you don't get arespawn
mm-hmm that's a completelydifferent scenario, right?
Yeah?
Them Holy and you don't A wholedifferent story, yeah, you
don't get to respond.
That's a completely differentscenario, right?
Yeah?
Another thing we need to lookat is the addictive nature of
social media.
It can lead to excessive useand interfering with other
aspects of your life, accordingto Granite Hills hospital, like
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there are literally people whoare putting their real life on
hold so that they can actuallylive this fake life right, and
all I can think of is theepisode in the office where
dwight creates a second lifeaccount, you know, and jim's
monitoring them, yes, and thendwight creates a second second
(22:44):
life for the second life rightyou know and and I like that's
what we see right People thatare just removing themselves
further and further away fromreality.
Right.
Because of whatever reason,right, I don't like, my reality
I don't like.
And the bigger issue therewould actually be Just being
discontent.
Well, do something about yourreality, right?
(23:05):
Don't just escape.
Right, and that's really whatit is is.
You're trying to escape.
Right, don't just escape rightinto and?
And that's really what it is is.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
You're trying to escape, right, don't just escape
into this well then you pairyou and a lot of yeah do the
hard word right because you playthe compare game right, whether
it's um, we'll look at whattheir kids are doing.
My kids aren't doing that.
We'll look at their spouse myspouse's crappy doesn't do
anything like that.
You know, like stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So you get into a situation where you're going I'm
jealous, or and instead ofstopping and going, hey, I need
to do something different well,sometimes what they're doing is
what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Different is they're totally uprooting their family
and blowing up their lifebecause they think they want.
They want what that person.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Right and you don't realize what that person has
because you're not in thatperson's shoes.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Right and their life might be great, but they also
might work really really, really, really hard in it.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, even like, if you going back to fishing
YouTubers, right Like, um, youknow, bama Beach Bum is is one
of the channels that that I'msubscribed with and you know,
over the past like six, sevenmonths, you know he's he's done
videos talking about how, likeeven videos are.
Are they're changing how peopleconsume or is what is changing?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
well, him and who else?
Who else was talking aboutchuds somebody else was talking
about the, yeah, but that's nota fishing channel though.
Oh um barbecue but where?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
yeah, but where people are no longer consuming
what they call long form content.
You know anything that's over.
You know 10, 15 minutes, that'sthat's long form content quick,
fast and hurry, and it'simpacting.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Think about watching a movie.
Can you sit down, watch a moviewithout at all picking up your
phone?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Can I yes?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Not you in general, oh.
People in general.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But think about like even with your not supposed to
spend more than you know, fourminutes on any given like
activity or topic withoutchanging something, because kids
, they lose focus, attentionspan isn't long enough to to
stay with that and I go.
That's a problem.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Even, um, even with um, working with little kids,
like that's, that's, you knowthey, they tell you like you
have to make it, even in aconversation, like you have to
quickly, one, two, three, moveon one, two, three, but again
you think of things like kahootor quizlet or you know all these
different things and andthey're cool, like they're good
to.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You know tools, but what it is is is it's sitting
here going.
We have to present the sameinformation in a different way
in the way you're used toconsuming information.
And since everything is digital,if I hand you a book or a paper
and pencil, you know, it's eveneven doing that.
Cause we, you know, we tried todo that this year, you know,
(26:07):
because electronics were justtoo much for some of the kids,
right, and so we went hey, look,we're just going to go paper
and pencil, you know, and it waslike okay.
But then you, you, you don'teven realize how much you use
the internet.
Because then it's like okay,you're gonna do a research
project it's like well well, howare they gonna research?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
if they're not electronics, because we don't
have 64 encyclopedia botanicasright?
I mean we do, but they're notup to date and they're at my
mom's storage, or you know, butbut yeah, the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Like, yeah, you know, and that's what Bama was saying
.
He was like you know, it's ifyou want to make, if you want to
have a following.
Now, it's all about short formcontent.
You know shorts reels, you knowthose kinds of things, stories,
those kinds of things, and it'slike.
But what we don't realize isthat's what we're training our
brains to.
(26:54):
Right you want to know why youand your wife can't sit down and
work out your problems?
Because you've trained yourbrain to go.
You are only allowed to thinkin 30 second increments right
think about it like that's whyyou tune people out think about
it, I can remember our phonenumber from 25 years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
30 years ago, like I, I could 40732, you know, and
it's someone else's phone number, so I'm not gonna say, one of
the numbers is still the samenumbers but I go, no, no, no, no
, that that hasn't been.
Are you talking about thecomputer room?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
yeah, but my mom.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
That hasn't been my mom's phone number, though, for
a couple of years now but theone that your mom oh no, you did
not what don't do that,especially into the mic so the
number your mom has now is thenumber she had when we started
dating she doesn't have thatnumber and hasn't had that in
years, but it's someone else'snumber.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Now they got rid of the phone.
Oh they, all she has is hercell phone.
Now they got rid of the phoneoh they did.
All she has is her cell phonenow, oh, but I can still
remember that number from 20years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Oh wow, Now that I think about it, I guess I
haven't called her else.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No, you haven't.
Huh, and I go.
But think about that.
How many people remember phonenumbers anymore?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Right, yeah, I still remember mine 407-671-0.
Well, it doesn't matter,because probably it belongs to
somebody else, but you know whatI mean.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, no, we don't remember stuff like that anymore
.
No, we are actually losingmemory because we don't have to
remember anything anymore,because you just take an app out
, you make a voice memo, youwrite a note.
I can literally tell thedifferent things to give me to
be careful with what you'resaying set an alarm for the next
day, like just tell her to yeah, and that's what I mean, and so
(28:45):
we don't have to depend on thatanymore.
So we lose that ability to dothat.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
They don't do spelling tests anymore, like
right, there's, but there'scertain research behind that, so
I'm but what I'm talking aboutis memorization memorization.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Think about it right now, and I forget the exact stat
.
So I'm not going to give theexact stat number.
But barna was talking about howmany people in america can
actually quote verses from thebible, you know, and these are
like self-proclaimed christians,these aren't like atheists
right and?
And why can't we memorize Bibleverses?
That's true, yeah, because wedon't memorize anything anymore,
(29:22):
because we don't have tomemorize anything anymore,
because we have a supercomputereverywhere we go.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And just imagine if everything shut down
electronically.
Internet wise I would love it.
I'm just saying like the impactit would have on society.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You got to get closer to the mic, the impact it would
have on society.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I mean, I think people would go stir crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, think about it.
How many?
How many families?
If you know and you youlistening, if you do this, let
us know.
But how many families sit downand eat dinner together?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Right, and you're not talking about like just, you're
not talking about sitting downat a table where everything's
set and there's like play setsand stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But like.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
But even if you're eating dinner in the family room
with the TV on and you have ashow that your family watches,
right, like, do you understandthe health benefits of that?
Do you understand that yourkids knowing, okay, okay,
there's somewhere safe for me tobe, that I can just be me,
right, that I don't have to tryto live up to the standards of
everybody else online, right?
(30:24):
Or if you, as a wife, whereyou're sitting here going okay,
like, no, he values me, I don'thave to be like that wife right
or vice versa, you versa, youknow, as a husband.
Oh no, she values me.
I don't have to be like thathusband, like the health
benefits that go with justsitting down and eating dinner
together.
Yeah, I think it was four timesa night or four times a week.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, it gives the kids a space to have
conversations.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Right, but that's not what we do.
Right, right, right, but that'snot what we do, right, right.
I mean, I've seen, I've seenlike kids that can, that can't
even walk in a grocery store andthe parents are just like here
take the phone because it'seasier than dealing with you,
yep or like quit being lazy orlike um, I mean, we've been
places and we've had heardconversations where everybody
gets their dinner and everyonejust goes to a separate room
(31:16):
yeah and everyone's havingdinner by themselves.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I mean that creates a space of isolation and
loneliness in your child andthat's what we're talking about
with social isolation, you don'teven realize you are creating a
a space for them to beunhealthy emotionally they're
not going to be able to interactwith?
How are they going to talk totheir spouse or their girlfriend
or but that's what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Like this goes so much deeper and this is actually
it.
Like if you were to sit hereand look at this, this is public
enemy number one.
Right here you want to talkabout something that is just
absolutely destroying the family.
It is the and again, I don'twant to say it is the internet
it's the unbridled, it's themisuse of the internet and like
(32:02):
I was sitting here as a mom, Iwas sitting here thinking about
it.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Think about your kids eating their dinner in their
room by themselves.
One day, they're going to beout of your house and they're
going to be in their ownfamilies and then you're going
to complain because they nevercome back and see you.
Why do you think they would wantto come over and have dinner
with you when you never haddinner with them to begin with?
Right, you're not bringing themback to a memory, you're trying
(32:26):
to create something new andthey're going to be like.
This is not normal, right?
Why on earth is my mom or mydad trying to have me over?
They didn't give a crap when Iwas there and it 100 and if they
marry somebody whose family wasthe exact opposite, that did
sit down and have dinner, I meanthey're going to see a whole
different way of life.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You're you're building the future and but
seeing, that's what I think youknow, because you see people
talk about, oh, breakinggenerational curses all the time
yeah I go.
You do realize, in order tobreak a generational curse, you
have to do it different than howit was done for you, right,
because a lot of the times,these vicious cycles, we see
(33:05):
it's you just did the same thingjust in a different way, right,
and I go.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You want different do different Yep Absolutely and
don't complain about it.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You want your family to be stronger, spend time
together.
Yep, get outside.
Yep, get outside, go fishing,go fishing.
I'm telling you.
You put your family on a boat.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Guess what you can't do at that point leave and if
you don't know how to fish,watch a fishing video hit me up,
I'll take you fishing I meandepending on where you live.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, no, hit me up, you can fly down to florida, I
will take you fishing.
I will, depending on where youlive.
Yeah, nope, hit me up, you canfly down to florida, I will take
you fishing, I will put you onfish.
All of the things, and and andseriously, even we like we go
out of town, right, sometimeswe'll look for a charter, you
know, to go, because I'm notgoing to take the boat
everywhere.
We went out on one charter andI was talking to the captain.
He was sitting here and goinglike you know how many times and
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and these aren't cheap, like wedon't charge, we like ours is
completely free, but you know,the average is like five hundred
dollars for four hours.
It's like 125 an hour to go outand fish.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Wow, oh, yeah, that's right.
The four hours yeah, that'sright not including a tip.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You know, when I was talking to this one charter
captain, when we were down inthe keys and he was telling me
like I'd be shocked at how manyyou know dads and sons, come out
and he's like I'm taking thephone away from the child
because I'm like your dad paid alot of money for you guys to be
here.
You're gonna fish while you'rehere, right you get back on the
phone when you get back on land.
That that's fine.
That's between you and your dad.
(34:31):
But while you're here, this iswhat you're going to do, right,
and he's like man.
You would be shocked at howmany um times the kid would wind
up thanking them.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Because he had such a good time, because he got to
experience something that hedoesn't normally experience, and
I go and that's really that'swhat it is.
Right, creating new experiences, that memories and you know,
and, and those things turn intoskills, real memories, not ones
that they see on the internetright and those things turn into
skills.
Like, if you take fishing, likeyou know you may think it's only
fishing, but it's time you'respending with your child, right,
(35:05):
it's teaching them one to beself-sufficient.
You know, jt, when, when he waslittle, remember like we would
go out fishing and you know Iwent, if you want fish, he was
scared to death to touch shrimpTo shrimp.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, they are kind of scary when you first start
touching them, so I give themthat.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But you know, and I told him, like, if you want, if
you want to fish, you're goingto get your shrimp out.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Right.
And then there was oneparticular instance where he did
not want to.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
There was something that hold on, threw me off um,
where he didn't want to touchthe shrimp.
He didn't want to touch theshrimp and I mean he was
screaming and crying and andjosh said this is it?
you either touch that shrimp andput it on your hook or you're
not going fishing again rightand he screamed and he cried and
he picked up the shrimp and heput it on his hook and then he
threw the line in and caught afish and then it's been on ever
(36:00):
since and then all of a suddenwent oh, I can do things that
scare me.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yep, see, understanding like you're not
gonna be ruled by fear, which isa different podcast, but right,
you know what I mean right so Igo.
Here's the thing start, startwith a day, start with screen
time.
Our kids have screen time ontheir electronics, not because
of any other reason, but I go.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
You're still a child and you still need to have some
restraint.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yes, because you're just not there yet and I know
you won't have the restraintRight.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And you'll be there eventually.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But if no one's showing you and teaching you
right, why would you ever?
So this week, start with a dayjust go like and I go, I get it.
I might be idealistic going,hey, we're not going to have
electronics on sunday orwhatever the case may be.
For me it's easy right, becausefor the most part I don't care.
The only time I really willplay on my phone is in the
bathroom, and that's onlybecause it's.
We have found it is nowdisgusting to have magazines in
the bathroom but okay, that's adifferent podcast but not even a
(37:08):
podcast.
We don't even talk about thatbut I go set time apart and just
go a five to seven every day.
We're not, no're not, noelectronics Right?
Hey, we're going to eat dinner.
No electronics.
Hey, you know, we're going totake a walk after dinner.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
No electronics and you can have on your phone.
We're only certain, is that JT?
We're only certain people cantext you at certain times.
I mean, you can set it up thatway.
So do you have anything else?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I do not.
So, at the risk of soundinglike a hypocrite, if you listen
this far, I'm assumingelectronics don't have a rule
over your life.
Send this to someone you know.
Share it with them they mayneed it if they're going to be
on their electronic anyway havethem learn something at least
(37:56):
have them, you know, do so in away that's going to bring up
their family I agree and bringglory to jesus yep so until next
time, we love you.
We think you can always followus at mission sentorg mission
sentorg um or on facebook andinstagram mission sent, mission
said, you know again.
If you're going to spend timeon there anyway, might as well
(38:17):
do something productive followus and share us and help us
spread the good news.
So until next time, we love you, we thank you and we can't do
this without you.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Bye guys, bye guys bye guys.
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