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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Greeteys and salutations everyone at rich Wilson walk into Fantasy
Baseball Live. Today is January fourth, Happy New year to everyone.
It's three thirty here in the afternoon, and Tim and
I running a little bit late, Timmy, because we were
getting caught up on all the world events and all
the craziness that's going on. And probably the first time
Tim and I have talked for thirty minutes. I don't
think it uttered the word baseball in those thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is pretty crazy. Yeah, oh yeah, it was an
honest thirty minutes, that's for sure. And I'm just sitting
back here and oh my glory watching all the NVB
stars and future MLV stars signing up. An exciting time
for a guy like me, Richie.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Really, man, I have got I have got my hand
on the zero point zero. Oh yeah, because we're we're
gonna talk about right out of the shot. And first
of all, how was your years, Timmy? Did you do anything?
Did you stay up and watch the ball drop?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I put on my dress pjs, okay, my finest fair
saundered into the living room and we ate too much food.
I ate a whole shrimpering. Can you believe that. No
wonder I had heartburn for like three days. Wow, yeah,
I so why would Why would?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Why would shrimp give you heartburn?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Because I hate way too much of it?

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Ok I.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Four f family of four in one setting. Okay, I'm
the only one that likes it, and I hate wasting.
That's sort of been greened in me.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
We grew up in that era, I mean where yeah
cleaned your plate and that was not a good thing
to be taught.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
No, no, we Our dog was trained okay to put
you to put your plate down a little a little
bit with mum wasn't looking okay, the stuff like yeah, yeah,
the dog learned to like more or lessay, so yeah, no,
so no, it was quiet. We just sat around and
watched a little TV, actually watched some BBC stuff, caught
up and a little bit of that stuff, and just

(02:16):
had a quiet evening. I'm well past the stage of
partying with five hundred of my closest friends. It's no.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
So we and Marstown we have this thing called First
Night Marstown or as actually Mars County. So and it's
they opened up a bunch of venues, old churches, a
couple of the historic holms, and our Mayo Center, and
they have artists, musical artists mostly playing all over the
town and just kind of wander in and out. It's

(02:44):
got to their performances. Now it's put on by the
arts and cultural groups. So it's it's a bit high
brows stuff, which is kind of fun. So we saw
a trio cello violinists who was a Jilli r train
in a flutis playing kind of so we're celebrating the
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary here in the United States.

(03:06):
It's kind of a history through that. So they played
forty five. It was phenomenal. Timmy Great. We saw an
opera singer sing for We're supposed to stay for forty
five minutes, and after about fifteen twenty minutes we said, okay,
we've forard enough. Let's let's move on. So a choral
group that was phenomenal. So that was the kind of
stuff it is. So it's it's a lot of fun,

(03:27):
you know. So it's not going and seeing you know,
you're the pop group or whatever. It's it's a bit
more like again, more cultural kind of stuff, but it's
so much fun. You see a lot of people you
know doing the same thing. You catch up, have a bike,
to eat or just you know, grab something and then go.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
To like that.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's cool. Yeahs cool. Yeah. But speaking of music, Timmy,
I have something to share with you that is a
mus must watch on television. Are you a Billy Joel fan?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
More so the early stuff Piano Man, the first few
albums as compared to the latter stuff. Yeah, but he's no,
he's He's an incredible talent, incredible writer.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
So I want to encourage you and all of our listeners.
There is a Billy Joel documentary that's just been put out.
I think it came out in last July that is
absolutely phenomenal. It's one of the best documentaries I've ever seen,
and it takes them through his struggle growing up and

(04:32):
struggle to make it and all of that. We're down
to the Christy Brinkley year, so we're kind of in
the it's five hours, so we're I think on hour four,
so yeah, it's two parts. And the thing I didn't
know about, Believe Joe, I'm not the biggest fan, but
his first wife, who he stole from his first musical partner.

(04:55):
They were married and they basically then fell in love.
But she was the first part of the documentary. No
one had ever really known anything about this woman because
she kind of kept a little profile, but she kind
of came back and she was his business manager. She
was the inspiration for many of the early songs that

(05:15):
she had and it is phenomenal. She's an amazing person.
I mean, they really kind of played her up very
big in the first part, and I just I mean,
you just felt such admiration for this woman. And basically
she saw Billy Joel killing himself with all the drugs
and alcohol and crazy stuff on the motorcycle and she

(05:38):
had a kid and said, look, you have got to stop.
I can't live like this anymore. And he would not stop,
and she said, I'm leaving you, and she basically left him.
And pretty much Winnen had a normal wife and no
one that she knew that lived around her even knew
that she was married to Billy Joel and didn't know
who she was. It's just a story. It's it's amazing.

(06:02):
So they kind of go into that detail. They haven't
gotten to his financial debacle, which is coming up. Great
thing about it, his first wife's Elizabeth, who managed him.
She had a brother name. Uh, I forgot the name
of the brother who then managed him after she did,

(06:22):
and that was who Billy Joel wanted to work with.
And she said, you really shouldn't work with this guy.
I don't trust him. And he was the one that
took all his money. So it's just it's it's soap
opera is to me, and it's just fantastic, just fantastic.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'll have toe.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
So yeah, so Tommy, let's get into some baseball, shall we. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
I think that's a good plan.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Uh. Segment one says introduction of news and notes it
was an Asian week. That's that's what I wrote, because
it seems like all the Asians were hired and one
actually went back to UH to hand for I didn't
write who that was? Who was the guy that did
not sign with a major league team?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Uh? Good question? It must have been. Hey, that's that's
a very good question. I've been so wrapped up in
Okamoto and am I that I wasn't even aware of
somebody didn't make the great oh no corn attack, yeah attack,

(07:26):
I ask you? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, Okay,
who was theero zero point zero? There?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
No, let's m and I am I AM. I got
the I've got the pronounce am I am a I.
So that's how this how to pronounce dot dot com
is saying m E I so, but you say it's
am I.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, Emmy I is fine.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Okay, all right. I I don't know Timmy, So I'm
gonna turn it over to you. Tell us about the guy.
I didn't get the big money that I think that
he and Scott Barrs went it. But it's a typical
Scott Baris deal three years and fifty four million dollars.
But he gets to opt out every month and basically
he gets off every after every year. So tell us

(08:14):
about him. Tell us if he's a guy that you're
going to be targeting with your drafts, go through it
for us.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, yeah, I've we've talked about him before. He's coming
off a season where he posted one one nine two ERA.
His highest ERA prior to last year in the past
five years was a three thirty and twenty twenty one.
The past four years two forty one, two thirty, two

(08:42):
thirty four. He strikes out better than one per inning.
The stuff is fantastic. It really is great stuff. When
I saw the when I saw the package. My first
thought is did something come up on the medicals? Okay,
because I saw this guy as one hundred and fifty

(09:06):
to two hundred million type player on a long term deal. Well,
if something didn't come up on them, if something came
up on the medicals, it makes sense. If something didn't
come up on the medicals. The only thing that I
can see for the contract being what it was is
he ran into a time problem, like not enough of it, Okay,
So I start like I started, like what he's done,

(09:30):
not knowing any of those particulars what he's done. Basically,
he's getting twenty MILLI year okay, with an opt out
at the end of the first year if he pitches
to the level that I believe he's capable of pitching to,
which is an ACE or very close to an ACE
level pitcher. At the end of year one, he opts
out and he'll get his big contract. And he's the

(09:52):
type of player that he's betting on himself, and I
think he's gonna win. So, like I said, I was
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So I've got some information. So you and I talked
about that. We've talked about him and I multiple times,
and when we first brought him up. I don't know
if you recall, because you never listened to me. So
that's that's well found. That's well found.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I had talked to some of my contacts at Major
League Baseball teams and they they told me they weren't
all that excited. And I asked why, and they said,
the fastball was flat, and he didn't have a great
he didn't have the splitter like all these other guys
coming out of Japan. Was when I brought that up,
you said, ah, but I think from what I've been reading,

(10:33):
that's kind of come to like why he people did
not want to spend one hundred and fifty to two
hundred million dollars. Now, having said that, I reached out
to a couple of people I know in the Bars corporation.
I'm like, Hey, what's going on here? Is are the
rumors true? And they downplay that, which you think they should.
But they've also said they have been working in the

(10:55):
off season with him and having him go through to
get a little bit more spin on his fastball, to
get a little bit more movement, and they had encouraged
him to start throwing more of a two seemer than
the four seamer to get somewhere. So they're pretty confident,
and again Bar should be right, but this is kind
of the line. They're pretty confident that they're going to

(11:16):
be able to get this guy. He's going to outperform
the three million, three year, fifty four million dollars and
will become that two hundred million dollar pitcher that everybody
that I guess Bar has thought, and you thought a
lot of other people thought coming in. But I think
they've got to prove it to the teams, and they
and he's got to prove it, and he needs to
make some changes in order to prove it.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, I think if you go back and you take
a look at twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, Okay,
his walk rate was fairly elevated. Okay, last year he
took his walk rate and cut it by about forty percent.
That's a big number. He walked seventy in twenty twenty

(12:01):
four in one hundred and seventy three innings. Last year
he walked forty five. Okay, So I think there's some
there's some command issues there that also you know, hey,
they're going to play into it, but hey, he struck
out seventeen in a game, pitched a no hitter last year,
and historically he's pitched under a three r. He's a

(12:23):
good pitcher, a very.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
My understanding, there's nothing wrong with the velocity of the fastball.
It's it's strictly on the movement, which is can't be fixed.
There's a lot of guys Joe Ryan doesn't have a
great moving fastball, but he's been able to be very,
very effective. You know, in fantasy drafts he's going as
just below an ACE level. So that's the cop I've

(12:46):
heard come up with is a Joe Ryan type of pitcher. So,
but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, the gentleman in Japan that I use for an
awful lot of my information as a source. He's American
and he's been in Japan for it's got to be
thirty plus years. He was the sports editor at the
largest paper in Japan for years and he's doing is
his his own work now. He's he's got to site

(13:16):
very capable. He has said that a Maya has better
rap here stuff than yam a mortal Wow, And I will,
I will, I'm not will take that.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
That I was not hearing that I had not heard
that That's not what I was hearing from people that
were from Major League Baseball teams.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
But yeah, and what he said was the difference separating
the two of them is the control. Okay, okay, what
and that Hey, that counts, Okay, definitely counts. Over overall,
there's that there is a comparison between the two. But
Yamamo was a better, better pitcher in all facets of

(13:57):
the pitching game. But I think what's going to happen
is it's a good situation for the kid. Okay, worse
it happens is he goes back to Japan in three
years there was sixty million bucks in his pocket or whatever,
you know, and it didn't work. The best it happens
he renegotiates after year one, after a good year and
gets his two hundred mil. So it's it's a win win.

(14:19):
It just wasn't what I was expecting. How, you know,
the end results unfold.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I think, well, I think so, I mean, well, yeah,
I mean they also have to pay the posting fees.
So for them, if it's after ten milis so if
it's after one year, that's that's that's a hefty signing.
So if he does leave after one year. But that's
the risk that you know that they're on the hook for.
It is a good landing spot, I believe for for

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him because I think the the Astros are still really
good at developing pitchers, right, I mean so, I mean
you could take a look at it. The guys that
have come up, particularly these young Latin players, they've really
been able to work with their all stuff and get
them to throw more strikes. So I think that's encouraging
as well with him.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, and let's face it, before this signing, Houston was
going into next year with Downtown Hunter Brown and nobody
else basically, Yeah, is that his nickname or just make
that up? No, I just made that through that. Yeah,
so Downtown Brown. Yeah, no, they were because.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I guess that means franber Valdez was is not going
to resign with with the Astros. I guess that's probably
what we're hearing now.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, but you know you're looking at Christian Heavier who's
still dealing with arm issues. Lance mccullors junior will always
deal with arm and Mike Burrows that's the before this signing,
that was the Houston rotation. They needed an arm badly,
They really did. They actually need more than an arm,

(15:54):
so the opportunity for him there will be he's he's
not he's not playing for a position, Okay, he's playing
to be their number two guy behind Brown.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
So hopefully he's he's healthy. I mean, if he's healthy,
Heavier is a pretty decent pitcher. Lancel Colors, You're right.
I mean there's you have to put a zero zero
on him and might Mike Burrows is. I mean, he
needs a lot of help.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
So yeah, yeah, so again, Yeah, well you're looking at
with Heavier, you're looking at a pitcher who's tossed a
grand total of seventy innings in the past two years
six twenty twenty three. That's that stuff I hate. I
like the stuff, but he's got to prove he can
stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
So I think it was Tommy. Then you have Tommy John.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, I believe so, or some sort of a bridge, yeah,
a bridge situation. But yeah, basically last year he threw
thirty seven innings and they weren't real great, Okay, and
I believe you know, I don't. I don't think he's

(17:05):
one hundred percent yet anywhere close.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, so went he had surgery in June of twenty
twenty four. So yeah, so he came back. It came
back a little early because I think Garrett Cole's not
coming back until so he had surgery. I think in
May or June. He's not coming target to come back
until June or July.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
So yeah, second second half basically, I think. So. Yeah,
So anyhow, also, give me.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Give me, give me a sateline. Games started, wins era
and strikeouts games started.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I'll go with twenty eight so full time, full time? Yeah,
wins uh wins math who knows about fourteen wow?

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Era and strikeouts?

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Uh? E three twenty five strikeouts better than one per inning?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Wow, Tim's all all in? And what would you where
would you? Where would you take him? In a fantasy league?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Let me just pull up, Oh where are we? The
ADP's here, and I'll see see how they're currently sitting
for pitching.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
He is going oops, M and I how you spell that?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I I am ai.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I am here. He's going seventy ninth, so you figure
out seventy nine. There's probably at least twenty closers, so
sixty nine sixty five something like that. Oh, I'm sorry,
it's a twenty mineus seventy be fifty nine of fifty five.
That's where he's going.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, I'm just looking at the names right now, and
I would take him above Tyler Glasnaw all right, we'll
take them above Brambour, veld or Valdez, and they're both
in the top forty. I'd probably take them over.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
So you take so seventy eight is Cabrera, Kate Horton, Ranger, Suarez, Tanner.
You hate Tanner, but you would take them ahead of
all of those guys.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, it's yeah, you're you're looking at it. I would
be looking at him as a number two, hopefully paying
number three four price wow, uh tim, Yeah, as I
would take him before Cole Reagan's at nineteen because Cole
Reagan's hasn't proved able to stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I love Cole Reagan's zero point.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, I love the stuff, but against stay healthy.
So what do you? What do you? What do you do?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I don't know? What do you? Yeah? I mean, let's
move on. Cosumo Okamoto sign to a four year deal.
The Blue Jays are on fire man. They're signing everybody
four year, sixty million dollars, no opt outs, so clearly
not a Bar's client. Bars loves his ops. Now, was
O Komodo was the guy? Was he the guy that
you liked better than Murakami?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yes, as a matter of fact, he is.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Okay, So I can't keep everything straight. Tell us about him.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Again, O Kamoto. Well, just looking at the he'll hit
the all fields. He hits for power. There's no speed,
none whatsoever. His manager gave him the nickname of Young General.
He was a team captain for his team in Japan.

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He's at two hundred and forty eight home runs and
driven in seven hundred and seventeen. He had fifteen and
half a season last year, which put him on pace
to be a top three home run back in Japan.
You gotta remember they're dealing with the they're dealing with
the dead ball era right currently. And he's a six

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time All Star. Two.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
He's a little older, right, He's like.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
He's twenty nine. Yes, I was actually shocked that the
Giants posted him. Okay, very unlike the Giants to make
a move of that nature. The glove is adequate, it's
not great.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
So you said you said his nickname was Little General.
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Is that because he's he's a team leader kind of guy, or.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
He's yeah, he's a take. If you're the team captain
on the Giants in Japan, it is comparable to being
Derek Jeter with the Yeah. It carries that level of
not mystique, but it carries that level of respect, and
there's there's a lot of respect for his Yeah, his

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skills and abilities.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, I mean was known as the captain around the
around baseball. I mean when he said the captain, he
knew who it was.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, exactly, I personally, you know, looking looking at the
overall stats, even in a dead ball situation. Two years ago,
he hit twenty seven home runs okay, which I believe
had him tight for third or in third place. He's

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hit as many as forty one home runs.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
All Right, I'm gonna give you numbers. I want you
to tell me higher and then when to stop. He
hits twenty home runs in twenty twenty six higher, he
hits twenty five higher, he hits twenty eight higher, he

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hits thirty one.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I can, I can, I can go with that number. Wow,
that's big tim So he is. He's a big bat.
He hits to all fields. His hit tool is very strong. Okay, Yeah,
the launch angle, he's gonna hit home runs. Looking at
the strikeout to walk numbers in twenty three, one hundred

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and eleven strikeouts seventy two walks the year following ninety
seven strikeout sixty six walks and half a season last
year he walked and struck out thirty three times, so
in two hundred and fifty one bats.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
If I were to suggest that is he Carlos Korea.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
With more power, considerably more power, Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Carlos Karai can still hit twenty one runs. I think.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, this guy's got some serious skills. He really does.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
And he's going as the thirty first third basement off
the board.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, okay, and gimme, gimme, gimme.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
So would you take him above Murakami?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yes, no hesitation. I am concerned. Amurakami's gonna have trouble
with the high heat. This guy won't. He's hit hit
home runs in international competitions. You know I'm on the
big stage. No, he's he's a veteran skilled. Bad day,
when I look at at the list above him, I

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will go up to at third base zero, I go up.
I'll go up ahead of oh Man third third base
is not that great, is it. I'll go up as
high as match Saw somewhere, Matt Chapman somewhere in that range.
I'd probably take him ahead and about Noelvie Marte after that,

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it's a crapshoot.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Wow, Tim's all and I've already given you a zero
point zero. So Timmy, you're all on this guy here.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
If he doesn't perform, well you got some answer to do,
my friend.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
So well, yeah, you know what, Actually, I don't think
I have any because right now his ADP is three
thirty two. Okay, he will perform to that level. I
am assured he will. I think whenever you get out
of him is going to be significantly above the cost
you're going to pay for him. Now that cost is

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going to increase rather substantially in the next short while.
But if you've already got him, you didn't pay anything
for him, so that changes it. Yeah, that changes things
a little bit. We're January fourth, right, so let me
just see I'm just going to put January first to fourth, okay,

(25:43):
into the parameters, and let's see where he's at right now. Oh,
he fell fourteen spots. Not No, he's up to twenty four.
He's up to seventy one now from three thirty six
since the signing. Now, granted that's only in one draft
had this weekend, so it's an infinitively small sample size,

(26:04):
but I expect him to rise up into the teams anyways,
over the next month. His price is not going to decrease. Definitely.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I need a third basement. To me, I'm in the
fifteenth round. I'm two picks away. Is he somebody that
I should be targeting in the fifteenth round?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oh, as far as I'm concerned, Yeah, who's left on
the board.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Jose Caballero, Muri Caleb, Caleb Durman, Mark Viento's, Brett Batti,
Max Muntzy, Alec Bohm, Carlos Korea, those guys, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
You could probably you could probably wait into the round
or two. Who is me, I'd probably already have a rostered.
I gotta be honest with Yeah, I start looking at
the third base is not all that much better? Okay?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
The second?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, there's there's a race.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I think I've got my guys scheduled. I I know
I'm waiting on third base, so uh, actually waiting on
second base? I can't. We'll go through my team a
little bit in a In a little bit, I think
you'll be we'll talk about that. All right, let's move
on to me.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know, you know who i'd have on my team
that you the name that you just mentioned is Cavallero.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, because he's he's eligible everywhere. I've thought about that everywhere.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, he's eligible everywhere. And Anthony Volpe is not going
to be back until at the earliest the end of April. Okay,
you give a guy like Caballerera full time at bats
for a month and you can steal twenty bases. Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Think I I I my my problem with my team, Well,
there's we'll talk about it. But I did not have
any multi positional guys on my team, and I've thought
of Caballero there and just you know, take them a
little early into saying the hell with it. I need
the I'm gonna I'm gonna take him for his positional eligibility,
and then I've got, you know, I've got somebody else.

(28:10):
Come August when everybody has hurt, I've got somebody that
can pop in there. Let's of course he gets hurt.
Tim I got two more questions for the Angels signed
Kirby Yates, who is the closure in Los Angeles? And
does Yates have a chance to earn some saves?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I think he has a chance to earn saves because
when you look at the bullpen situation, it's sort of weird,
you know, looking at looking at the Angels and their
bullpen is right now a series of question marks. Okay,

(28:47):
uh can Roberts? Is Robert Stevenson going to be healthy? Okay?
Then you then you've got Drew palmeranz who has never
been able to stay healthy. Then you got Kirby Yates,
and then you've Ben Joyce and a young player with
a big arm. But again he's he's coming off shoulder surgery.

(29:08):
Right So right now, if I had to bet, I'd
say Stevenson and everybody after that would be the order
I'd be looking at. But there's no guarantees that Stevenson's
going to be healthy, or Joyce or Palmer, you know,
I mean, it's it could be a real crapshoot. I'm
anticipating that there will be guys relief pitchers in the

(29:31):
Angel system. I'll be mentioning off and on all year
on the Waverroad.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
So would you would you take a would you take
a flyer on Yates and in a draft?

Speaker 2 (29:41):
In a draft and hold? Yeah, I would in a draft,
and hold, I don't know if I would in a
regular draft. Kirby HS I think is closing in on
forty nine.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, yeah, so forty forty year old guys can earn
a save man.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, they can. Definitely. If you get to around forty
seven and everybody's forgotten about Kirby, ATE's make him your
pick rich. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Speaking speaking of the Angels, Timmy, I don't know what
you're going to say about this. I'm just gonna Anthony
Rendon has retired from baseball. They worked out a deal
to pay him his last year, but it's going to
be extended over a number of years. I don't know
how many years. I didn't even look into that. All
I know is he was paid two d and forty

(30:29):
five million dollars. He played two hundred and fifty seven
games while with the Angels, and two had two hundred
and twenty four hits.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's going to go down as the worst deal in
baseball history for a franchise, but it just did not
work at his body just broke. He was a good
player with the Nationals, won a World Series, but Timmy brutal.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, yeah, no, he was actually and after his last
season in Washington, at age twenty nine, he was he
was on track for a Hall of Fame potential career. Yeah, yeah,
you look at the warrant, you know, his last year
in Washington, he hit thirty four homers, drove in one
hundred and twenty six runs, scored one hundred and seventeen runs.

(31:21):
Over the six years that he was on the coast,
he hit twelve less home runs in the six years
on the coast than he did in his last season
in Washington. He hit twenty two home runs. And yeah,
it's yeah, yeah, you know, hey, and you look back
and you say, well, how could they do something like that? Well,

(31:42):
he hit thirty four home runs, drove in one hundred
and twenty six RBIs. Yeah, he struck out eighty six times,
he walked eighty times. He had a four to twelve OBP.
He had two obps two of the last three seasons
he was in Washington. OBP was over four hundred all
three of his his last three seasons in Washington. His

(32:04):
ops was nine thirty six, nine O nine and ten ten.
Like he was a really good player. It just didn't
work out. Like you said, the body broke and they
were all other mitigating problems obviously, but it's just odd
when you see a player with that level of success, Okay,

(32:25):
just totally disappear, and he did. Totally sad.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Actually, yeah, I'm looking at baseball savant and twenty nineteen
was his last year in Washington. Yeah. He hit the
ball really hard, ninety point four miles an hour with
a ton of launch, nineteen degrees of launch, so he's

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going to hit power is expected. Batting average was three ten.
He never he never struck out. He always walked. He
was a good defender, great range, not a great arm,
but a good defender.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
It was.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
He was a great player. I mean, looking at the data,
there should have been I mean he was getting older,
but there should have been hit the ball to all fields.
You know, you're talking about the guy from Shapan. This
is the guy that hit the ball to all fields.
Looking at the stray chart in twenty nineteen, and I
just I think his body gave out. I don't think.
I don't think the talent disappeared, if that makes any

(33:28):
level of sense.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, And you know what for people that are, you know,
throwing it out there, Anaheim was stupid. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Anaheim wasn't stupid. It just didn't work out, you know,
to give a guy a call.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I don't know if I would. I think that the
stupid part was signing for such a long term contract,
given his injury history in the past. That was probably
the overpay. They probably got him on for another year
that they had to. But I mean tough.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
You can't other in the duration of the contract. You
can't say the Angels it was a stupid signing. At
the time they made that signing, it was very good signing. Yeah,
and people were excited about rendoing and you know on
the West Coast, and hey, they had every reason to
be based on what he had done and accomplished up

(34:17):
to that point in time. And you talk about even
the health. Okay, you look at his bats from twenty
sixteen on five sixty seven, five oh eight, five twenty nine,
five forty five. Yeah, he only had since coming into
the league. He only had two seasons under under five
hundred bats and one was his rookie campaign. So yeah,

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even even the health was.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
The health, the health, it was amazing. He was hurt
all the time in the minor leagues and then he
had a string of health before it all fell apart
on him. So I mean, I I totally. I mean,
I think it's just his body, as I said to
the Verve, Yet his body just gave out and it
just happened. Somebody, Let's take a break, five minute segment.
People got their money's worth, so let's come back out.

(35:03):
I'm an FC draft.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Because I said, Timmy, and we're doing our NFC draft. Oh,
it looks like Chandler Simpson just got taken in the
fifteenth round. He sat on the board for a long time, so.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Fifteenth Yeah, that's that's a long time for a speed guy. Eh.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, I was actually thinking about taking him in the
fifteenth round. He was one of the guys. I mean,
I'm not big on him, but I just thought that
was starting to get to be about the right place
for him. So Timmy, as we know, let me just
get the total first round show. Hey, Tani, Aaron, Judge,
Juan Soto, Bobby with Junior Jose Ramirez, Corbyn, Kerra was
the guy that I wanted. He went six. I took

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La de la Cruz at seven, Trek Schooble at eight,
Ronald Acunya Junior at nine, Paul Sken's, Garrett Crochet Rodriguez
at twelve, Fernando Tatist junior thirteen, Christopher Sanchez pops up
to the first round, and Francisco linn door. So you
have say, four pictures in the first round and then

(36:14):
coming back first pick in the second round. Yeah, i'mamoto
second pick in the second round, Mason Miller. So the
first closer off the board. So you had four starters
in the first sixteen.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Picks, yeah, and the and the closer that throws at
one hundred and five miles an hour. That's half a
pitch away from breaking. Yeah. I've been started following some
of the NFBC stuff through Twitter, okay, and man, oh man,
I get that it's a draft and hold, but some

(36:47):
of the closes, you know, the bullpen decisions I've seen starting. Hey,
I know it's a different game. There's no trading yet,
yeah yet, But man, I'm having trouble with some of
the things I'm seeing, Like Mason Miller.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
You're gonna have trouble with my You're gonna have trouble
with my team, tim because I went I went laed
La Cruz one, and I got burned last year by
not having any closers, and I went, I went Edwin
Diaz in the second round.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Timmy, no problem, No problems with me. Yeah, none whatsoever.
He's one of the few closers that I believe is
locked in. Okay, barring something incredibly unfortunate. Uh yeah, in
the league you're playing, and you have known. If you
don't take him there, you're not getting him with your

(37:37):
third pick.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
My logic was the following, Timmy, if everybody's gonna take
a closer early, yeah, what's the difference if you decide
not to take a closer, Yeah, you get a better hitter.
But everything just kind of drops down a level. So
instead of instead of uh kateel Marte going in the
second round, he just drops down to the third recause

(37:59):
people are taking people are taking those guys earlier, and
that's that's what you just deal with it. If everybody's
doing it, which they are, except for one or two players,
one or two managers, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, all you're doing, like you said, you're just backing
everything up. The problem, the problem that occurs is when
you're doing drafts outside of the n FBC and n FBC,
you're playing by two sets of criteria.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
That is correct.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
And hey, you're you're not gonna fight City Hall. If
you want a closer, you either get Diaz then or
you end up with a whole lot of Robert Stevenson's Okay,
you end up with Jason and I know, right, yeah, yeah,
you've taken that under the equation. Good for you.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, and you're you're getting your five staves at the
end of the season to keep you out a last
place from Victor Voddik. That's exactly what you get.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yep, yeah, exactly. And you ain't gonna win that way,
not that you're not gonna do. You have to play
that game.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah. So I went Elie de la Cruz one. I
felt really good about that. Again, I would have liked
to have Corbyn Kaira went Edwin dis Number two. I
went Wyatt Langford, who I'm all in on this year,
was all in last year. Number three. I had speed
and power with Dead La Cruz. I had power, some
good speed with Whyitet. Langford went big power. Next with

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Matt Olsen, I thought that was good value.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
In the fourth round, that's awesome value. Yeah, I like
what you're doing so far.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
And then I felt like I needed a picture and
fine off the board and Freddy Peralta was still there.
I went Freddy Peralta.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Good pick in the fifth round.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Then I went back and said, I want more strikeouts.
I love the setup with Dylan Cease going to Toronto.
I took Dylan Seas in the sixth round.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Then I came back in the seventh round with Randy
A Rose Arena, got more.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Speed and power power funny.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Then I came back with my second closer, don't laugh,
Dennis Santana. So I went with a high end closer
and then a mid level closer that might live basically August.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, that that basically says the state of saves. Okay,
when you're in what round seven yep, and you're looking
at round eight yep. Yeah, there's nothing left?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, there was nothing left? Yeah, yeah, your guy could
I could have taken your Saint Louis guy, and it
was just yeah, I felt like I'd rather have done
as Santana in that case. Then I came back in
round nine with Jackson Holiday like you did. I like
that pick, and my next pick was an homage to
Bob King High Jacob Marcy number ten.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
There we go, You're on this Christmas guardless, done like that.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Then came back with my picture that I will not
leave drafts without Shane Bose Maul and a Boz going
to the Oriols. And then Timmy, I did it.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
You didn't.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Tattas suiy Amaya is on Rich Wilson's team.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
You didn't have to worry about you. You didn't have
to worry about the Christmas cardless but and you didn't
have to worry about your ranking because I only send
out like three. Okay, So I like it. Rich. I
am impressed. You just won the league. It's over.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I think I'm just like looking at it. And I
was thinking about Garrit Cole in that spot and he's
coming back in May June. I was thinking about Gavin Williams.
You know, the data doesn't look great on Gavin Williams.
I was looking at Carlos Rodon, who's not going to
be back up till May or June. A lot of
people don't know that he's going to start the season
on the injured Reservelest, even though he started to So

(41:48):
those were the guys Mackenzie Gore and I said, if
you know am I, and again I went through that's
what I called my friends at the Boris Company. They said,
what's going on with this guy?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Like?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
And that's what they said. You know, we we kind
of think their issues, but we think we can fix
and we think he's going to fix them. And that
gave me the extra push. I said, well, what the heck,
let's let's give it a shot. It's supposed to be fun,
and if it doesn't work, I figured, I get to
blame you.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Well, that's what I was just good to say.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Went all the way because if it's bad and my
team stinks, I can blame you and I'll have fun
with it all season long. And if it's great, I
can say, oh, well, you know I I was the
one that made the decision.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Of course, got lucky, okay, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
So then my next I got another picture. I went
heavy picture, and I know I got a guy you
do not like. I don't care, Ranger Swarrez. So I've
got I've got Freddy Peralta, Dylan Cee Shane boz Amaya
and Ranger Suarez is my one through five. I love
Rangel Swarez is my fifth picture. Now I don't know
Rangel Swarz. There is a little concern he is a

(42:59):
bar a client that you know that he won't get
a job. There is that concern maybe that because he
was dropping, he should have gone earlier than he did.
And I still don't have a catcher. I waited too
long to get a catcher. That was a little bit
of I just didn't like the catchers at the spots
where I could get other players. And I finally was

(43:20):
my first catcher. And I don't feel good about this
because he doesn't have a job yet. But it is
j t Romulto. I think the wires and it looks
like the Phillies are trying to work out a deal
with him. So I hope that the reporters are right there.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's the eventuality. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
So I got I got three outfielders, I got five starters.
I've got two closers. I do not have a second base.
I have a second I do not have a third baseman.
And I've got now I've got one catcher, so I'm
I might go with I might go with a third
basement soon and get guy we were talking about Caballero,

(44:03):
and uh, just get him for util a utility type
of guy for downstream and might have a young young
some younger players who have some upside as well.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Well, you put him in play with Ellie and Langford
and that should put you in an incredibly good spot
in the stolen based category.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Remember I got I got Speedster.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
You got Rosina too, Yeah, I got.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Jacob Marcy, so I got plenty of speed. I affect.
You probably need a little bit of power, but that's
that might be you know the guy in New York
that I might go for some power. The thing if
if when I when I do my spreadsheet.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Which Oka Oka Oka Oka the guy that when I
do my analysis.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
And this is one of the few times I can
remember that Actually, like my team, I haven't made any
tremendous mistakes in the draft on it. It might not work,
but I haven't made like last year. I made a
mistake on the on the closer, and it was it
was a miss. It was a mistake and I knew it,
and I spent the rest of the draft kind of

(45:11):
trying to recover from it. I didn't make that same mistake,
and I haven't. Yeah, I don't have a third basement,
but I'll get one. I'll figure that out out.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, you'll figure it out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
So, and I feel good about my pitching as opposed
to word, oh my gosh, I gotta get pitching. So
I feel really good about it, which probably means I'm
going to come in last place. But I'm having fun.
The draft is a little slow. There's a couple of
guys that draft really really slow. But you know, it's
fun to kind of get in there and start picking people.

(45:45):
It's very exhilarating to hit that draft button.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Well, you know what, excuse me. When you get through
to round ten, twelve and you've got a good, solid
mix and you're pitching, you got your closer, you've got
some power, you got lots of speed, you should feel
happy about that. Yeah. Yeah, you haven't put yourself into
a situation where you're behind the eight ball and you're

(46:12):
searching for something that's not there. And in the NFBC formats,
if you get to round ten and you don't have
a closer, you're gonna be overpaying for setup guys hoping
to strike gold. Okay, and that's in your format.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Times you do, Yeah, sometimes you do. And you can
win the league by striking gold late with a closer
in thenc draft and hold. But it's it's tough.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, that's not the way to build a team. No,
you'll lose more often than you ever have a chance
to win playing that sort of a game, and you
don't want that. You want to be you want to
be part of the game and in the game, and
you know, hey, you get to the end of April
and you don't have any saves and you don't have
any any any prospects for saves, Well, good luck. It's

(46:56):
a long year.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yep. So that that's where I'm at. So fifteenth round
and I like it too. I'm pretty happy with it. Well,
it's probably going to be a good three weeks to
get this done because we're we're on day seven right now,
and so we're doing two picks a day. So it's
again a little Yeah, it's a little on the slow side.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah. Well, definitely being the consummate speed Ward that I am, Yeah,
I get no complaintable what you've done there at all.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
And you know, again, I think the the easiest thing
to find later on is low batting average and power,
and so I'm pretty confident that I'm going to be
able to find that in the draft, and then it's
going to get to my sweet spot later on, and
that's drafting prospects.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
So yeah, exactly after round thirty, you can start filling
it in with guys that you like for the second half.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
That's right, that's right, even guys I like for the
first half. Tommy, let's take a quick break, come back,
and let's talk second base, shall we?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Sure that sounds like fun.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Tim has been has ranked catchers, he has ranked first base.
If everybody wants to see and detail all of those rankings,
you can see that out at the Patreon site. Yes,
we put them out on prospect three sixty one. They're
out there now. Actually the second base isn't out there yet,
but you get a lot more detail on the Patreon sights.

(48:30):
So I encourage everybody to head over there and join
us out there. It's five bucks a month or fifty
four dollars for the year, Timmy, after spending hours upon
hours ranking and again, Tim is crazy, right, he actually
goes and starts from scratch, writes every name, types every

(48:51):
name down, doesn't use the last year, doesn't copy and
paste from last year. At least that's what he's told me.
Because I even said, Timmy, I can give you every
position filled in with the NFBC ranking so that you
could just start to move stuff around. Him said, nope,
I want to do it from scratch, which I totally respect.

(49:12):
I would not do it that way because I'm lazy.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
It's a lot of work. I go team by team.
I use roster resources, my source document, and I go
team by team looking at the players they have slotted in,
looking at the players on their Basically, I scan the
top part that shows the free agents. I go through
the actual recommended roster that they've put together their bench slots,

(49:37):
and then I go to their prospects by each position.
And that's how I go team by team by all
thirty teams, put them all out there. I shuffle a
deck three or four times as I'm going along, moving
players up and down and all over the place. And
that's how I do it for every category. And I
just find the information that I get going into it

(50:00):
in that much detail helps me out a lot a lot.
When it comes time for the real drafts.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Richard, and you typed everything incorrectly because nobody came up
as missing. The only person came up was missing was
Sung Mon Song and that's because he, I think, is
only third base eligible at the NFBC, and that's why
he did not come up. So maybe, yeah, I don't
know why he didn't come up, because it should have.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Well, the thing is, I was sort of torn as
to what to do there because he's going to play
second base, okay from what I can gather. So if
I put him in at third base, and I have
to write a narrative, okay that explains that he's not
going to be playing at third base, but he might
have third base eligibility, So I just put him in
a second base that looks like that's where his home
is going to be. And whether he's at second or third,

(50:46):
take a look at your league, at your league settings,
and go from there. But yeah, you know he is.
He's going to be playing at second base in San Diego.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
So you spent hours working through this. Great job, by
the way, great job, all of it. At second base
in particular. I really liked how you went and approached
it and kind of ranked the players. But you've been
saying that it's it's a it's a disaster. Maybe I'm
that's my word, but that's the impression I got. A
second base is not deep. After now going and doing

(51:19):
the detail, is that your same position?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
It's not deep. But as I said in my introductory narrative, yeah,
you get a couple of elite players at the top.
You've got some upside with youth okay, and Holiday and
Kishel okay. But what what second base does have to offer?
His speed okay from Bryce terrag Nico Horner, Xavier at Edwards,

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Bryce and Caballero. I even put hes On Kim in
there because we need to have another zero point zero
on this show. They're all capable of giving you good
and basement. So my position on second base is take
what that position has to offer, which is speed, and

(52:08):
build around it. Okay, take take what the position gives you.
Don't try and force the issue and just move forward.
So yeah, although it's not deep in talent, it does
have something to offer. It's just how you go about
working that. In year overall team build there are.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Some power guys, obviously, co tell Martine at number two.
There's power, Brandon Lowe, You've got a nine power there
and potentially even more power for where he's going.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Uh and.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Who else? Oh well, I mean Jackson Holiday. Yeah, so,
and jose L two base still going to hit some
home runs for you. So there there is some power there.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, there is. But the way I'm approaching it is,
I'm not gonna yeah, I'm not going to take jose
L two v early to have a second baseman. I'm
going to find what I believe is a better power bad.
I know it's sep religious to even say that when
talking about Josel two, But I'll look for my power

(53:12):
elsewhere and just take the stolen bases and plug it
in and go from there.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
So interesting how I approached second base when I did
my draft target. So I use I tweaked the algorithm
of by position depending on if it's a power position
like first base, I will make I will make I
will goose up the power. So you've got to really
show a lot of power to rank high and second

(53:39):
base since it's a little light outdo but it's the
same kind of waiting across that and second base was
very poor because of the lack of power. And I
use combination of exit velocity and hard hit exit velocity
and launch angles to try to look at if a
guy has a chance to hit fifteen plus home runs

(54:01):
or twenty plus some runs. And that's how I do it.
So that's why. And speed is this a single? It's
just it's just like powers, just a singles. You know,
what's your speed? And look, yeah, cross reference that with
how good you steal bases and you get a score
for that. But that's why second base came out for me,
very very poor.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, well it would because you're limiting in your power bats, right,
that's right. Yeah, And you're counting stolen bases as one category.
Did you think of tying like runs scored into the
stolen bases titlement to where they were hitting in the
batting order.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I did not do that level of dude. First of all,
speed and and there's there's decent correlation, but not great
correlation between speed and run scored. It's actually run scored
on base skills where you're hitting in where you're hitting
in a lineup. And I did not drag in where
they're hitting in a lineup. Okay, I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
That might be something would be fun for next year.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
I don't know if fangraphs does that. And Timmy, I'm
not like you. I'm not typing in guys' names. If
I can't import it and adjust it, it ain't happening.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
There's more to life than control fee and control V
damn it.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Oh no, I mean, so I pay down for Fangraphs,
which is fifty dollars a year. It's it's fantastic. You
get all kinds of added downloading facilities. But I don't
know if if ross if you know, if the the
roster resource part of it is downloadable. I didn't even
check into that, but but I'll think about that, Timmy.

(55:33):
Let's get to your rankings, my friend. Okay, first four
you go, Chalk, Chas, Chisholm, Katel, Marte, Bryce Terring, Nico Horner.
You're exactly the same as the NFBC. Anything to talk
to highlight on those four players?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Ah well, hey, I think Chasm and Marte. Chisholm and
Marte are definitely the two elite players that you're looking at.
But Bryce Terrang.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Showed more power last season, and the data supports.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
That he showed more power stolen bases. We're down a
little bit. I think we're going to see potentially a
twenty twenty season of the terrain. Nico Horner sort of
concerns me a little bit, and I almost I almost
moved Ja Jackson Holiday up a spot in that there

(56:27):
is a chance that the Cubs move on from Nico Horner,
and should that occur, where he ends up and where
he ends up in that team's batting order could influence,
of course, run scored potentially. Okay, so I decided to
leave it as number four ahead a holiday. But that's

(56:49):
the only thing that really concerns me is there's possibility
that Horner could be moved and how that comes into
affecting his value. I really don't know. It will depend
on the team the bat or, and I would have
to assume it's going to be to a very good
team if he is moved.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Well, I mean, again, believe it or not, everyone teams
don't care about stolen bases. Fantasy managers care about stolen bases.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
But teams do not.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
And when you've got a guy that's hard, hit rates
and exit velocities are in the bottom ten percent, and
you know that that's driving your expected batting average. You
begin to worry if you're a team that hey, this
batting average is eventually going to drop, which is going
to drop his own base percentage. And he's not a
big walker. His walk rate is below twenty five percent

(57:36):
in the league. So you're hoping that he keeps up
that big babbit, that he's had, the good, solid babbit,
and he's using his ability to get, you know, to
make that happen. Is going to prop up everything. And
that's where I think from a baseball standpoint, teams will
start to be concerned. And I would I agree with Tim.

(57:58):
That's a long wind. It ran an answer to say,
I believe Tim is right that the Cubs could decide
to move on and say, hey, this guy's more of
a utility guy, more of a Jose Cavalerio type of flayer.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, it's but other than that, those are the only
concerns I we Jazz Chishm of course has to stay healthy,
as is Marte. But yeah, we're not betting on that.
We're looking at at pure skills. Unless somebody has never
achieved any ad bets or the duration of his career. No,
we don't have issues like that. In the top four
at all.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I will say our Patreon members, I wrote a link
the analysis of Jazz Chishm. I'll just tell everyone just
be careful with gass Chism. The data does not support
the power and speed that he showed last season.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, he was one of only seven players who went
thirty thirty. I understand that's big numbers, but I understand.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
But if you take a look at the if you
didn't know what he how many home runs, and how
many stolen bases he had, and were descended through an
analysis engine, it would come up with something a lot
less than that because the data just does not support that.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Your guy, my guy, Tammy, because I know you drafted
him in your first draft, is Jackson Holiday. I continue
to be all in on him. It looks like you
are because he is three better than the NFBC.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah. Hey, I he went seventeen seventeen last year. He's
going twenty twenty this year. I think.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Remind me how old he is.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Fourteen.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah, he's a very young.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
He's very young with upside. If I had to look
potentially heading into next year, I could see him being
as high as top three. I'm that bullish on Jackson
Holiday moving forward, I can't. I can't rank him at
number three this year, but I think the potential is

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there that he could and hey, you know it's gestism.
At some point, IMI might not qualify, right, So Jackson
always got a bright future.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
In my opinion, Jackson Holiday just separated celebrate celebrating a
birthday on December fourth, Timmy, he turned twenty two years old.
That is a two followed by a two.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yeah, we haven't seen his best season, not even close.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Nope. And he hits the ball really hard. It's a
ballharder any think they're they're yeah anyway, Okay, rounding out
that top ten, we got Jose Altuve, the one and only,
Jose al Tvy, Luke Keishall Ozzi, Alby's, Brandon Lowe, and
Bryson Stott. I do not like that second half of
the top ten Sans Luke, Keisha Temmy, Jose al Tuv

(01:00:41):
is old Ozzi, Alby's is not the same guy. Brandon
Low's got power, nothing else, and Bryce Stott's got speed
and no power.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah. Now Stott's good for ten home runs. I think
he's okay, like he's boyd, but yeah, I get what
you're saying, yeah, the guy, the guy that I like
in that second group, uh is obviously the same same
one that most other people are like. And then that's Keisho.
And it's hard not to like with that eighty eighty

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five great speed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
And I changed that on. I changed there is no
such thing as eighty five great speed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I pulled that somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
I changed that to a good speed or great speed
or something like that. When it got published, I forgot
to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
That that's fine. You know he can run, well, yeah,
he's got he's got. Yeah. There could be forty forty
stolen bases there, goodn't there?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Keisha? I think so. I think he can hit with speed,
a little bit of pop. I like Keisha a lot
holds on two of me. He's a little scary. I mean,
he's getting old. I don't know how he's hitting in
the home runs. Demmy, the data says the power is gone,
but he's still doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah, I put in my narrative like a fine wine.
He's aging gracefully, and I think there's I think he's
got another season at twenty five home run seventy RBIs
ten to fifteen stolen bases, I think he can. He
can accomplish that this year, and that puts him solidly
in that group. Now it's hey, you've got a right

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to be concerned because he's thirty six years old. Not
too many second basemen after the age of thirty five
produce at a solid level. So yeah, I think there's
reason to be concerned. My targets, other than Holiday and Kisho,
for the most part, they're not in that. They're not

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in that top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Look, there's been no bigger supporter of Jose al two
I think than me, right, And I'm not touching jose Olt.
I didn't touch him last season. I was wrong. I'm
not touching him this season. I just the setup is terrible, Tommy,
It's just terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Yeah, Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
And Ozzie Alvi's I warned everybody. I warned everybody in
twenty twenty four that the data was not supporting what
this guy was doing, and he has just dropped off
a cliff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
So yeah, I think one of the problems when you
take a look at Alby's okay, everybody looks to Ozsi
Alby's okay and sees twenty twenty three, I believe it
is Yeah, that's the magic number twenty twenty three, and
they see thirty three home runs, one hundred and nine RBIs,

(01:03:31):
thirteen stolen bases, ninety six runs scored. That's not the
Ozzy Alby's that we are looking at today. We're looking
at a player that is going to hit I believe
fifteen to twenty home runs, drive in seventy maybe steal
ten twelve bases with a two forty two fifty average.

(01:03:52):
Our mindset has to adjust from the fact that I
don't think Ozzy Alby's is the same player he was
two years ago. I think he's still a good player,
but it's all about where you said the bar.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
His average exivelocity is eighty seven point five miles an hour.
He's doing it all through launch. Eventually the launch doesn't
work because then you become warning track home run power
and it's it's he's just not aging well at all,
and it's just and the speed to me, he's just gone.
I mean it's the forty fourth percentile.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So yeah, you're you're looking at Ozzie Albi's being the
I'm based on my ranks the eight second basement going
off the board, but he's going with an ADP of
one sixty six, okay, which puts you in the twelfth round.
I don't have any problems with Ozzie Albi's in the
twelfth to fifteenth round.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
He's a fifteenth, He's a fifteenth to fifteen player and
my home oopeny with no upside though yeah, no, I
agree totally.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
It's all about how much you pay for him and
when you decide to when you decide to go all in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Ye agreed to me to take a break and do
the next ten shall we yees?

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Tippy for my buddy sat Don Ruffaela has him at
eleven and if you see he's going at six. Otto Lopez,
Xavier Edwards, labor tour is boring old labor tours, Jose Caballero,
Luis Garcia Junior, Jorge Polanco, Matt McClain, number nineteen, Marcus Simeon, Wow,
have the mighty have fallen? And then Brent Batty and

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it coming to number twenty one times all in on
the hey Sung Kim eighteen slots higher than the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
So there's a zero white zero the wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Wow, let's talk about him now, Timmy, I mean, where's
all the love coming? For for Haysung, that's the that's
the Dodgers kid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yes, the Dodgers kid. When you take a look at
what he did last year in his first year over
rebounced back and or being the Dodgers in Oklahoma City
finished the year in LA. He had eight home runs,
stole twenty seven at bases in three hundred and ten
at bats combined. The love is coming from the fact
that I think after a first I'll call it adjustment

(01:06:20):
Yim year, much the same as we saw with Hassan
Kim in San Diego. I think we can look at
five to ten home runs and I think we can
look at thirty plus stolen bases in a full season
of ball, and it looks like he has the second
base job in LA. It's his to lose, and I

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don't think he's going to so I think there's value
sitting there, and if you're leaving him till thirty nine,
he'll be on all of my teams. It's as simple
as that. I think it's a combination of opportunity and skills,
and hey, he's going to hit the number nine slot.
Is that a bad thing when you've got hitting immediately
after you o Tawny and Betts and Freeman and you know, yeah,

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he could score a significant number of runs hitting out
of the ninth spot with the bats following them. I think, so, I, hey,
I do I want Brendan Donovan before taking a chance?
No on Kim? No do I want cronin North do it?
You know second base is not deep rich if once

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you get into the twenty to thirty five, into that grouping,
if I'm looking at second basement in the I'm going
to take a chance on upside every day of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Yeah, he didn't score well on my analysis, Timmy, the
average ex of velocity was eighty six miles an hour.
Maybe it was just a small sample size that get
it one hundred and sixty one at bats. He has fast,
there's no question about that. Struck out too much, never walk,
So it was hard for me to rank him high.
But I do respect the fact that Hasan Kim if

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he follows a similar path there which Haw's Kim turned
out to be really good baseball player. And if Hassan
Kim can you know, kind of get you know, start
to grow in a little bit to his man's strength
and get full time at bats, maybe he can perform
a lot better, So I will definitely support you on that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Uh huh, thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I won't call you crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
In other words, Okay, yeah, I think it's I think
I formed a logical argument. Whether it comes to fruition
or not, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
But when I start, I like the argument. I like
the setup based on how you have presented it. I'm
always looking for setups, right, I'm looking for upside of guys.
I'm not looking for Azzi Albi's if I if I
get stuck with Abi Albi's, then okay, I get it.
But I'm looking for some guys that have really good setups,
and you painted a good one for Hassan Kim.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
All right, now let's talk about Satan Rafaela. What's up, McLeod.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
How can you rank a guy that walked like fourteen
times a year before? Okay? How can you rank him
as number six? If I can't okay, I still think
there's questions about the had tool, and I want to
see another year before I start moving him up into
the top five six. So basically, that's that's where I'm at.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Sixteen home runs in twenty solem bases last year almost
did almost at twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Yeah he did, and hey, the walk rate's improved. I
want to see a bit more before I start moving
him up into that higher echelon.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah. I he did not make my He did not
make one of my targets, But I do, like Saydan Raffaela,
because I I mean, when I did the breakdown of
Pete Crow Armstrong and people can think I'm crazy, but
the data supports this. Pe kro Armstrong has a lot
more leverage than Saydan Rafaela. Otherwise they are exactly the

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same player statistic. So yeah, I just if Peaker Armstrong
is going in the second and third round. Yeah, either
one of them's too high or one of them's too low.
I'll let people figure that out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, that's yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
All right. Uh, Labor Torres, m h. If you get
stuck at second basis, Labor Torre is a horrible guy
to have as your second basement.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Not at all. Yeah, you're looking at a guy with
ADB at two forty five. I've moved him up a
little bit because if you take a little what he's
done over the past four seasons, he's got one, two
fifty six, two fifty two years of two fifty seven
batting average, So I think you can safely say between
two fifty and two sixty's a good spot for him.
He's had one year that was down a bit in

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the power at fifteen home runs, but if you're the
range is fifteen to twenty four. Over the past four years,
the RBI total has been between sixty three and seventy six.
I think he's perfectly safe and verging on being boring.
The only thing he doesn't bring to the table is speed.
But you're looking at pick two forty five. Okay, so

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you're looking what lateeen rounds? Yeah, yeah, I don't think
he can go wrong with labor tours and round you're
looking at ninety five six and round sixteen, seventeen eighteen. No,
I think it's a fine pick.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
You don't like Matt McClain. You're talking to strike out
strikeout rates are soaring for sure. I mean in two
thou twenty three he had twenty eight point five ers
a striker rate, was missed all of twenty twenty four
and struck out twenty nine percent of the time last year.
That obviously is not good expect at batting nevers of
two thirteen. That is not good. He is fast, he

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doesn't have a ton of power yet, but he did
go fifteen to eighteen last season, you know, and played
full time. So what can I expect from him this year?

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I will say twelve to fifteen home runs, fifty to
sixty maybe are weis. I'll go with twenty stolen bases
eighteen to twenty and a batting average somewhere between one
ninety and two ten.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
You're just down on them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Well, when you strike over one hundred and sixty seven times, okay,
in five hundred and ten a bat that's a big number.
And I don't see how he's going to support a
half decent batting average. So for me, he's the type
of player that I probably won't pick. I could end
up with a guy that hits two ten, two fifteen

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in my middle endfield, but I'm not going to draft
a guy knowing that he's going to do that, if
that makes any sense. And I'm convinced right now that
Matt McLean is not He's not going to generate a
batting average, so I'm not going to blow off a
category to get the home run and speed potential. Out
of them, I'll look elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Let's talk about Marcus Simeon. I think it's fair to
say Marcus Simon is not the same guy he was
a few years ago. I mean, just as't the ball
as hard as he used to. He still is pretty
fast eighty one percent rating under sprint speed, and he
still hits fairly well if you get and again he's

(01:13:22):
thirty five. So who's as old as the hills?

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Yes he is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Statistically he looks like I mean, at as a middle infielder,
can you do worse than Marcus Simeon?

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah you can. You can end up
you can, you can end up with a lot worse
than Marcus Simeon. But I think that speaks to the
caliber of the player pool at the second base more
so than the skills of sim And you know, you're
looking at a guy who is going to probably yeah

(01:13:59):
fifty into twenty home runs, seventy RBIs, five to ten
stolen bases and two thirty two forty batting average. You
know is OBP the past two years has been three eight,
three oh five. His OPS was down to six sixty
nine from six to ninety nine from eight twenty six.
The past couple of years, he'll be thirty six. Yeah,

(01:14:23):
you can, you can do worse. It's just know your
parameters outs that and yeah, the reality is he's at
the decline. It's commenced. And I don't see a bounce
back from Marcus. I mean, moving to the Mets, they're
moving anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I don't see a bounce. But I guess maybe I
said it poorly. I mean, if you get caught out
on middle infield, I mean, he is what he is.
There's speed's still there, there's a little bit of power
he should hit. I'm surprised how bad his batting average was.
I don't know if the Mets is going to be
better or worse for him. I mean I could see

(01:15:02):
things imploding in metaland if they get off to a
tough start.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah, they haven't really done much this offseason, have they.
You know, Hey, what happens if bred Beaty struggles or
Viento's okay, if Senga is hurt and can't you know,
can't get it, sim bring up the kids, Bring up
the kids. When I look at Semi and I see

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he's going right now at two sixty Okayjrgate Polanco's at
two forty six, uh Cavallera's at two thirty seven, Glabor
Tors is at two forty five. There's a lot of
players that are going off the board in that range,
and he's just one of the four or five players
that I think fit into that spot in the draft,

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and I'd be fine with all of them if that's
the way I'm approaching second base. For me, I'm looking
at the speed, So if I'm looking at one of
those guys, it's only because I've shored up my speed
right and it's no longer a priority.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Mhm. My NFBC just said I'm on deck to him,
I think I'm actually picking cond of Griffin just went
off the board. I was actually thinking about that as well.
So should I do this, Jose Cavallera. I think I'm
gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Well, if you think you can get your power. It
depends on the starting pictures available too. There's no relief pictures, obviously,
but at least I do'be.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
There is Rookie Forsake, will Ves, Chris Bubeck, Connolly, Early,
Zach Galen, Matthew Boyd. There's still some guys I'll get
more pitches, but I mean, the multi player eligibility is
so valuable in this format. It is, but I don't
need the speed, which is what he's going to provide.

(01:16:51):
I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna hold off
making that. I don't want to make a call here
on my uh on a podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Yeah no, because you want to take a lover and
see what power guys are left out there. There might
be a guy that will give you ten to fifteen
stolen bases to go along with twenty five home runs, right,
that is more valuable. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Let me see if I can just grab somebody that
took Corvin Carroll? Can I have him? I'll give you
Jose Cavallero. Let's get back to second base here, Xavier Edwards.
You down him three from where he was going to
the NFBC and not a guy that's as you mentioned
at the top, it's speeding zero power.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Yeah, there is no power whatsoever. I remember last year
about this time, and I was one of those guys
that was huge on Edwards because I saw the thirty
one stolen bases in two hundred and sixty some odd
bats the year before in twenty twenty four. Yeah, we
were all thinking big numbers. Injuries cut those numbers down
significantly to only twenty seven stolen bases last year. I

(01:17:58):
think he can steal thirty in his sleep. But at
the same point in time, how much do I want
to pay for that thirty? I don't want to pay
as much as the NFBC guys do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Yeah, I kind of agree there. Twenty two starts Tommy Edmund,
Brendan Donovan, Colt Keith, Jake Cronaworth, Sun Moon's Song, Andre
Andre's Geminez, Jonathan India, Ernie Clement and Romy Gonzalez. Give
me two guys in that grouping that you'd really like
a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Get ready to hit zero point zero. But Sun Moon's song, Okay,
past two years in Korea have been great. Okay, if
he can find you don't have to. I have him
ranked there. That doesn't mean you have to draft him there. Okay,
you can probably pick him up in the four to
five hundred range, but he's got potential for full time

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playing time. He is definitely one of them, and you
know he's going so late. I look at Jonathan India
India and he's never been a great player, but he
had four really good years and then Ken So yeah,
and Kansas City decided last year okay, that they wanted

(01:19:14):
him to be their super sub. So he spent spring
training learning two new positions, okay, and it flopped. Now
the Royals are going back to him as a regular
second basement this year, and they've spent eight million for
the luxury of doing it. I think we could see
a bounce back from India to the levels of play

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in twenty twenty four to twenty twenty three, which is,
you know, mid teen power ten to twelve stolen bases
a decent player. So I've moved India up a little
bit because I think there is a shot at a
bounce back from him. And when you look at all
of the players down here, there's flaws all over the place. Again,

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I think India represents the potential for some upside. Rich Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
He actually ranked pretty high on my analysis. I did
not rank him as a target, but he was right
on the cusps. So I'm kind of in agreement with you.
I did not think about all the setup for uh,
you know, learning, learning the multiple positions. I kind of
love that narrative that you just did, so that in
combination with what you said, with what the data is showing,
I kind of support where you are with that. What's

(01:20:22):
the second guy in that grouping?

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
The second guy in that grouping? Ah? Hey, I I
think if the Jays don't re up with Boba Schett,
and I think that's a very real possibility because I'm
hearing they're still they're still in on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
I hear the Yankees are really in on uh On
Boba Schett.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Yeah, I could I could see that. I think the
Jays are still chasing hard on Kyle Tucker. Okay, so
you know Immanez up until last year, he's going to
play somewhere because of his glove. But I could see
ten twelve home runs, maybe twenty five stolen bases as

(01:21:08):
a late middle infield value. I'd look at him and as.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Timmy, let's sick, let's sick. Let's do a couple more
questions here, Let's take another break, come back and yeah,
tack another break, come back, and we'll start to ask
the hard questions, shall we.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
That sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
An hour and twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Who.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Timmy gave me a little grace as I had to
go to the potty, Timmy, I couldn't take it anymore.
I was Chris crossing my legs and it wasn't working.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Yeah. That's never a good sign, my friend, never ever, ever.
I got to give you the time for that pause
for the cause.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
A couple other guys here late. Uh uh, Lennon, So
I'm assuming that's because he's out of it. You don't
think he's going to get a job. And Kristen Campbell
all the way down to forty thirty not big on him.
Don't don't think he's going to get playing time. I'm
assuming could he give us some color on both of
those players. Well?

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
In Boston with Campbell, uh, the Red Sox apparently are
saying the preferred position they would like him to be
playing his left field. Okay, well they've got about fourteen
left fielders. Okay, you look at the oatfield. You know,
I got Duran, you got Rafaela who plays, you know

(01:22:42):
will A Brew, you got Roman Anthony. Okay, I just
don't see Campbell fitting fitting in anywhere right now? How
is that? I just hey, I think the potential, the
skills are there, but I just don't see a pass
the playing time right now. So how do I rank

(01:23:02):
him above, Say, I've got romy Gonzalez at thirty, Okay,
much higher. But Gonzales, he hits about hard, sprints, speeds solid.
You know, there there are options in Boston. My problem
is playing time. And with Lennon Sosa, he went from
being an everyday, everyday type player, okay, to not being,

(01:23:29):
you know, an everyday type player. So again, I don't
know what's up with len and Sosa. Okay, it looks
like they've got meat drawed into the leadoffs while the
second base at DH they're looking at Quorros Sosa gonna
fit in as a DH. It's playing time related and

(01:23:54):
it doesn't look like he's going to get full time
at bats. So I've just down shifted. And again I
don't know what's going on with the White Sox, but
we haven't heard much good about Lenonsoza or much of
anything about Lenon Sosa this offseason at all. So I'm
I'm just anticipating fewer at bats, fewer opportunities, and let's

(01:24:17):
let's move them down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Out of these last forty or so players, give me
a handful of guys that you're looking at for sleepers.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Sleepers, how can you not like Adele Lamador, Well, he.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Definitely can hit. I mean, but it was not very
good when he got the promotion, and it's it's it's
the Rockies, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
It's the Rockies. If I'm going down this list, the
guys that would intrigue me are all in a clump
at the bottom, because again we don't know when they're
going to get the call it. Max Anderson, Bryce Matthews, Bazanna,
Tommy Troy, Okay, Treent. If the Cubs look at moving

(01:25:04):
Nico Horner, Triantos could fit into the picture. Rockery zo
I had had to give him a mention. Tomar Johnson,
I think when you start looking at forty to fifty,
there's a lot of players that will eventually end up
rostered as injury replacements. Guys like Mauricio debonn Okay, possibly

(01:25:26):
Cool Young, you know, Rocchio, Arias in Cleveland, Angel Martinez,
Fossley's got the outfield eligibility, Tim Tawell on Arizona. There's
a lot of players that I don't think are everyday players,
but they will hold value at some point in the

(01:25:47):
season as injury replacements, and do I want I'll pay
for them as I need them. I won't stash them
on my reserve roster.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Richard, I think that's I think that's interesting and solid.
I also think I like your I like Travis Bizana.
I think there's some intrigue there. I think he'll get
a shot. I don't know how good of a player
he is. You know my love for Rock Reggio. I
think that's a that's a great draft and hold round
forty eight pick kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
I really like, really like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Casey Schmidt is there's this multi position eligible I think
he did okay last season. I think there could be
something there as well with him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
What about that Geloff? Remember remember him?

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Yeah, Zach Geloff on my analysis scored very high. I'll
just leave it at that. So maybe he can bounce back.
But health was clearly a problem last season. Yes, he's
pretty much free. He's pretty much free, and I think
second base. As as I wrote to our Patreon members,
if you don't you don't get the guy you're looking for.

(01:26:55):
One strategy is to get a fill in guy and
then look for some of these guys that might come
up and play second place, like JT. Weatherholt and some
of the Travis Bazanas of the world who might get
a shot there and and will come up in that position.
So that that's another strategy to play, because I do
think Bizana is going to get a shot. I think JT.

(01:27:17):
Weatherhold's going to be a shot. This depends on whether
what Weatherhold actually plays or not. What position he plays.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Yeah, I was going to say, and he'll probably be
listed at shortstop or second base.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
He'll be listed at shortstop. But unless something happens to
Mason Whin, I just think Nolan Forman. I mean, who
knows what the Cardinals are doing anymore, But if Nolan Gorman,
I just think that JT. Weatherhold's going to be the
I think the best player on that team. Once he
comes up and gets a little established, I think that's
the guy they build around. I think he comes up.

(01:27:49):
I think he comes up erillly in second base or
third base, but I think second base would be the
spot that he plays at unless they get rid of Aeronata.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah, and you know us, we are looking at thirty
to forty and guys like Cody Clemens. I actually had
him in my top thirty at one point in time.
Then the Twins went and signed signed Josh Bell. Okay, well,
adjustment time for Cody Clemens. Okay. Again, it's all about
playing time and opportunities. So again, there will be opportunities

(01:28:21):
in season. You just have to follow things very very closely.
But as far as stashing players, I don't see second
base being a priority.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
So your middle endfield is more than likely going to
come from your shortstop.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Either either that or I will end up in a
situation where I look at Holiday or Keisha, one of
those two you know, in eighth to tenth round, somewhere
in that range based on the current numbers, and then
I might be happy with Orge bolanco Real late. Like,

(01:29:00):
I haven't done shortstop yet, but I know it falls
off rather drastically after you get up to about pick twenty.
I am am aware of that. So my middle infielder
could come from second base depending on how I approach
the position.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Interesting, I'm gonna make it harder for you because the
second mass so weak. Give me two guys, Timmy at
the end of the season coming in the next year,
are not top ten players? Two not one too. Oh
and there's a right answer in here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
By the way, f YI, Yes, I'm thinking the safe
I'm going to go with the two easiest ones are
Brandon Lowe and Bryson Stott. Obviously, I'm gonna go with
Ozzie Lby's and ding.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Ding Ding ding Ding right answer?

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
And Brandon?

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Yeah, well, I would I have the pirates are hoping
you're wrong because they would have a big season, you know, Keishall,
I like the upside there, But if he gets off
to a slow start in Minnesota, they you know, they
might move on pretty quickly and demote him, so he
could drop as well. It's another guy that does worry

(01:30:23):
me a little bit, but I wouldn't be surprised. I'd
be surprised if Jackson Holliday doesn't perform and can tell
Marte and Jazz Chisholm aren't still there. But all these
other guys, Timmy, even the great jose Al Tuve could.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Find the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Might he finally might hit the wall and all these
guys could come fall in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Yeah, where can you rule out a fifteen fifty five
stolen based season from jose L too? No, I don't
think he can. I don't think it's gonna happen, but
you can't rule it out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Yeah, yeah, agreed, give me give me, give me two
or three guys that you think might replace these guys,
and you can give me coup on the teams, But
give me a couple of deeper guys.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Too, Yeah, replacing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Mong Song. I'm assuming there's one of them, right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Well, No, I want to give your finger or break.
You've zero zero enough already to day. When I look
at second base, the guy that really sort of intrigues
me and is SoSE Cavallero, because if he moves into
shortstop to cover off okay, while Volpay is rehabbing, is

(01:31:37):
there a chance that Volpai doesn't have a job to
come back to if Cavallero plays well, I don't think
that can entirely be ruled out. So the upside from Cavallera,
if he's a full time player, he could he could
steal fifty sixty bases, okay for purposes of our game.
That would put him as a top ten second basement

(01:31:59):
So I like the potential there. Brett Baty, the upside
potential he could move into the He could move into
the top ten. He had eighteen home runs last year
and pin Shy a four hundred of bats. If he
gets up twenty five thirty home runs, you know, ten
to twelve stolen bases. That that is very very intriguing.
Ice on Kim there's upside there being that he's a

(01:32:22):
Dodger and he he looks to have a job right now.
We'll see how that shakes down. And then you get
down to the bottom, the bottom tier, and yeah, how
do you not like a guy like Max Anderson. You know,
for the second half, a guy like the Zana Tommy
Troy should get opportunities in Arizona. If Arizona moves on

(01:32:46):
from Marte, which is rumored, Trianto's is the same situation.
There could be opportunities there based on what happens with
Nico Horner. So some of these guys towards the bottom
could carry a fair bit of value heading into next
year's drafts. What happens in the next two to three
four months.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Yeah, I won't reveal the suck ause Patreon members are
paying for, but a lot of the I think there's
a there could be much like we saw with Ketcher
over the last couple of years and kind of changing
of the guard was second base, as a lot of
these kids are coming up from the minor leagues that
started off being shortstops. In short JJ Weatherhold's a perfect example.

(01:33:27):
They've got a really quality short stuff, but they're gonna
play somewhere. It's going to be second or third. And
I think you're going to see that next wave of
players coming up. So and I kind of like some
of the names you have here as well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Yeah, and you know, guys like weather weather Holds, they'll
get mentioned in the next feven movie do shortstops and yeah, yeah,
so yeah, there there are going to be middle infield
opportunities for a lot of these young kids as the
aging veterans move on.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
So, knowing that I might be drafting Jose Cavallero and
he's top of mind, you've mentioned a couple of times,
until the Orioles, until the Yankees, and until Bobaschett is
off the board, I'm a little concerned about Jose Caballero.
I don't know how much the Yankees liked him. I

(01:34:21):
haven't heard. He's a he's a he feels like a
like a super utility guy, right and I think, right now, yeah,
he would be perfect as a Yankee kind of doing that.
And are they going to want to go to war
with Cavalleros starting off the season and then going back
to Volpi, who was terrible last year, even though the

(01:34:44):
data says he could be better. That's what I don't know.
If they're going to say we're the Mighty Yankees. We
haven't signed anybody big. We just lost out on Amaya.
We got to sign somebody. Let's overpay for Bobashett.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
That's what worries me so and and you know what,
I think untill legitimate concern. If I was if I
was in your shoes, knowing who you've drafted so far
and looking at your team build. As much as Cavallero
gives you the flexibility at multiple positions, I don't think
he is the best player for you to be rostering,

(01:35:18):
simply because you've already covered off on what other than
the flex you've covered off on what Cavalleira is going
to bring to the table, which is speed. So he
might be the best player, but he might not be
the best player for your team build. How's that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
I just again, I definitely agree with that, But I
also just worry even because I've been thinking about Jose
Cavallere for the last couple of rounds, and I just
I can't get a read on what the Yankees are doing.
And again, they are the mighty Yankees, and they got
to be pissed that they haven't been able to score
this offseason and they've tried well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
And let's face that the Jays knocked them off their
perch a little bit last year with that great season,
and the Jays have been incredibly aggressive this offseason. Uh yeah,
I would think in New York right now, the media
is absolutely crucifying them for their lack of activity and
your concerns, Avoute, Hey, we'll just give them what we should,

(01:36:20):
what we want to give them. I think they're I
think they're reasonable concerns.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Yes, yeah, And Boba Schat has been said, hey I'll
move to second base and move to third base. But
the Yankees have a second basement. They have a really
good defensive third basement. They Gashism at second and Ryan
McMahon at third. I mean shortstop. Is the obvious one
that's calling our name? Is calling somebody's name. And then

(01:36:45):
you sit there and think, Okay, are they really going
to go to war with Jose Cavallero with a backup
of Volpie And I just don't know I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Yeah, on a positive note, if you if you were
to look at Cavallero, I still think he's going to
get forty plus stolen basis. But that's all he might
give you, just as a super sub relieving players, you know,
and reduced it best. I think. I still think the
speed is going to be there, But in your case,
the speed is not all that relevant because you've covered
off real good to that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Yeah, But having said that, yet it's still like, do
I want anyway enough about me, Timmy? Yes, great stuff,
Let's take our final break, come back and wrap this
puppy up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Give me a player or to Timmy that you're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Avoid, I'm going to avoid everybody except for Jackson Holiday
and Luke Keishall in the top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
I can't disagree with you, my friend. I can't I
disagree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
I want to. I want to get some modes. I
want to make sure my oatfield's covered off if I'm
looking for power. Like as much as I like Chisholm
Junior and Kato Marte and Bryce Terrang, I don't want
to pay the price that one has to pay to
acquire any of those guys. So I'm going to be
looking further down the list. It's yeah, Hey, that was
the conclusion I made as well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
I agree with it. They'd have to fall, would have
to go to the third round, and then I would
be very interested. Can tell Marte. I think just still
got the power. Solsa bar really hard. But it's out
the good outfielders are sitting in those first rounds and
you got to make choices. And that's just this.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Yeah, once we get to outfield, it becomes then you
start looking, as you've done and I've done, you start
looking at outfield. Do I want an outfield made up
of outfielders after the say pick thirty through to pick sixty,
Do I want to build my outfield with three players
from that group and two from sixty to ninety trying

(01:38:59):
to fill d H No, I don't. I want to
try and avoid that situation.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
When I made the decision to go Elie de la Cruz,
which to me was the right decision.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
I believe in that right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
But that then it was like all of those second
basemen were off the board. It's like, I'm not going
with chisholmber T Marte. I got to go with an outfielder, right,
and that's just the position I win. And I got
to get another outfield soon after that. So you're you
got two.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Good ones, one with an immense upside potential and the
other one has gone twenty twenty since I had a
full head of hair. Okay, it can't get much. Yeah,
a long time ago. Yeah, so no, I think I
think it worked out well. I like what you've done.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Yeah, so it's uh, but that's just trying to help
everybody as we've gone through that, thinking of the board
and looking at the board. Yeah, sure you could go
Elie de la Cruz followed by Catel Marte and be yeah,
you got your middle, you got your middle all set up.
You're going to be struggling to then with pitching, the
high end pitching and outfit. It's going to run out

(01:40:04):
in a hurry.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Well, and first first base is you know, hey, if
you don't get outfield, you've got to find yourself a
good first basement. So then you take you've got your
two middle infielders, you take a first baseman and and
you'll find your team construction, your team build. It gets
real nasty. You're going to spend most of the draft
trying to chase after things you need rather than acquiring

(01:40:28):
commodities that will improve your lot in life. Does that
make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
First base was a priority for me. I did not
want to wait too late, and yeah, and get no
batting average. That was what I was worried about, because then, well,
I know I can I know I could get power
first base later on, but right, I just don't want
to get a two twenty batting average and twenty five
five runs to get a guy that I think can
hit as well. And yeah, that's that was my That

(01:40:53):
was my spot. And playing in a good lineup, which
is why Matt Olson flat junior. Yeah, all of those play.
Oh by the way, I was actually proud of my
my league mates in this league that Nick Kurtz went
back of, he went back of the second round, so
once again went in front of him. He went pick one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

(01:41:19):
eleventh pick in the second round.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Okay, yeah, no, I looking at some of those early
numbers on Kurtz. Yeah he might deliver on them, but man,
oh man, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
It's tough to take. Tough to take Pete Alonzo after
Nick Kurtz. You know, it's just like playing at Baltimore.
Now just I mean Peter Anza. It's I think Nick
Kurtz wants to become Pete Alonzo.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
It's like, yeah, well exactly, Yeah. How many times has
Alonzo bested forty home runs? A lot more than once?

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Yeah, And it's like Nick, so, Nick Kurtz, Nick Kurts
it hit fifty five home runs or something crazy like that.
But the risk associated with that versus pretty much being
a short of thirty five to forty with Pee Alonzo,
I don't know. Sometimes you just have to take the
more conservative play and then go for your go go
for the more risky stuff a little bit later. That's

(01:42:18):
just how I like to play it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Well, yeah, sometimes your best pick is the one you
didn't take when you didn't make the movie you didn't make,
because again, you've got to look at filling a lot
of positions in the best possible way that you can
and adjusting your picks accordingly. It Drafting a team's not easy,
and whether you've got sixty seconds on the clock or

(01:42:40):
four hours, hey, one pick leads into another leads into another,
and you start going down the wrong path and before
you know it, there ain't no coming back. And that's
when it becomes a problem and it gets ugly quick.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Yeh, I agree with you. I mean that's a wrap,
my friend. We will talk next week. Are we doing
third base next week?

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
I was going to do short stops simply, Yeah, the
tie in between second and short the middle infield. Do
it in one block and then do third base a
week after.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
If that works for you, I'm I'm easy either way.
We got to do another prospect stuff, so we have
to talk about that during during the week. I've got
some personal stuff going on this week, very exciting, Timmy.
You know what I did Friday. You'll never guess what
I did on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Don't tell me how to root canal?

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
No, that's I had. No I'm see good. But it
was about the same kind of pain. I don't know
Department of Motor Vehicle is like in Canada. But I
had to go to the DMV. We're moving our permitted
residence back up to New Jersey, and Laurie and I
went and spent two wonderful hours at the DMV. Timmy,

(01:43:51):
it's you make an appointment. I'm like, okay, great, we
made an appointment at ten thirty and right all you
do is you get into a long snaky line and
then you get up about eleven o'clock to make it
to the first thing, and you go, I have a
ten thirty appointment, and the guy says, okay, go to
that line. It's another long snake and lego, what do

(01:44:13):
you mean I have an appointment? He goes, yeah, you
have an appointment, Thank you very much. Going to the line.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
That's like, yeah, at ten thirty, you're getting it. The line, okay,
at ten forty five, you're stolen our our equivalent to
your DMV is exactly the same. You gotta remember a
couple of weeks ago they suspended my license, right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Oh yeah I remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Ye yes, yeah, okay, so yeah we're talking. Yeah, different countries,
U same modus operende pretty much. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Wow. When you know they took my picture, you know,
for the license, and you know they put it up
on a big screen to say this is what timmy,
I'm an ugly man. I have to admit that was horrible.
I mean I just looked at it. Oh my god,
I look old. I look terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
I mean just like, yeah, you can't smile, they tell
you not just look Mine looks like it should be
up on the post office wall under the wall talking list.
It's brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
I got in the car with Laurie and I said,
I have to tell you man, I said, I hope
you don't dump me. I have no shot again another no, no,
I have no shot to get in the date after
get at that picture.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
None.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
I mean it's like, oh, my war And that woman
looked at you, goes is that okay? I go no,
But I mean I'm afraid the next one who takes
them look exactly the same. And I don't want to
know that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Well, And you know what happens if you say no,
it's not good, okay, Then you go over into the
know the picture is not good line okay, and you're
another forty five minutes eight for else.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
Yeah, it was, it was. It was crazy. So but
we're all done. We got uh, we got our license
plates on the car and we got Tipperary Tipperary licenses.
The new one's coming the mail in like two weeks
or something, so I don't know. So we're we're all good.
But I'm hoping the pictures. I know in North Carolina
they turn them into black and white photos. I'm hoping

(01:46:10):
that they turned these because then you don't look quite
as bad as the black and white as you do
in color.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
So right, yeah, no, and hey they take a look
at it and yeah, it's it's black and white. What
do you expect? Right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
I encourage you all our younger listeners, enjoy your youth. Thinks.
Things really starting to go down the hill. It's just like, oh, man,
I looked at my last I looked at my car.
Driver says, that's not so bad. That was like five
years ago. Like, and it's like, has it gone this
bad in five years?

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Well, yeah, probably listening to so much of my advice
probably has did that process.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Lord have mercy. Oh my god, it's it's it's over anyway, Timmy.
It was good, good, good chatty, great show, great job
on the ranking, and we'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Be safe, be well, and looking forward to going through
Shortstop next weekend.

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