Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Monday the 8th of September with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for a huge edition of AFL 360 as they are joined by Leigh Matthews to take a dive into all four games from the first week of finals footy. They sang Darcy Moore’s praises for the Pies but questioned if the Crows were too passive and then complimented Chris Scott’s coaching as Geelong beat the Lions. They celebrated a historic weekend for the Suns but looked at where it went wrong for both the Fremantle Dockers and GWS Giants vs. Hawthorn. Finally, Lethal had some very strong opinions on how the AFL treated their umpire after the free-kick decisions that lead to a double goal for Brisbane.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The rise of the September Suns Gold Coasts make history
in a fairy tale final and coach Damian Hardwick.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Is with us.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
The Hawks are heading back to Adelaide, the theater of
last year's semi final heartbreak, and Sam Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Is at the desk and football legend Lee Matthews is
here as Queensland prepares for its most significant night.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yet we've talked about is a step into it, embrace
all of it in the room and read it. It's
unedifying for a senior coach to do that. They're on
the side of Courtia with the brain hape, the man on.
They played the best footy I've.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Ever seen at the start of the season, and Andrew said,
president left. The couple older said, of course they do.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It is the stuff that legends are made of. What
is holding the ball? I don't think I could answer
it clearly right now that I.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Could do something wrong, you know, And I need to
get on the board.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Sexue the fans, lover and with no fans, no through
sixty year.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Old thrilling eliminators, statement performances.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And three road wins cause that was granted exactly what we.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Needed, just turbo charges Finals campaign full, fantastic game storylines everywhere,
two great coaches coming.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Here tonight and the ultimate coach as well. It's going
to be awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So this hour has to do justice to the food
that was played. So we've got up to seventeen premiership
join us the two coaches that you'd most like to
hear from, Damian Hardwick and Sam Mitchell, and our long
held desire to have Lee Matthews here at the desk
is about to be fulfilled. It's like bringing the megapowers together,
the two best opinions in the game sitting together to
(01:36):
dissect all that transpired.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I was thinking, who's the other one on the couch?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Jack, Jordy, Nathan and Jonathan to take us through what
transpired to their eye in week one of the finals. Now,
my last dollar was on that outright leader in the GVPS,
and I'm so excited to say we have an outright
leader in the GVPS. The Mustang GT fastback downed at
ninety three thousand dollars, my Conic design, unreal performance. Finally
(02:02):
the V eight engine. It is up for grabs in
this final series and the movement. Honestly, these votes should
be worth double but.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
They should go in.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And there were some heroics throughout this first final series
that deserve double vote, So unlucky players everywhere, but it can.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Only be three Joe, That's the way we roll.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
John Nukan was unbelievable in the game that we watched
it up at the Giants Injy Stadium. Just thought his
first half just put a stamp on it. It's everything
you wanted from a finals.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Performing the man that's coming in here.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I watched the Hawthorne team through my childhood. The number
three was a legend and to watch the number three
go about it in the final series had a famili
look about it and he was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So fantastic performance from here. Matthew Row two votes.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Maddie Rawl started watching this in the Airline lounge and
no sound, and I was just marveling in his brute
strength and sort of thing that I've loved about him
all year. And look, Carleb's wrong with superb. Bracure was superb. No,
Anderson was superb. But he just catches me on. I
just love the way he plays. I love the way
he tries, which is a pretty simplistic way to put
about it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But he was absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And then get three votes as he can drive the
Mustang if he wins it. And then I thought Darcy
Moore was as significant as anyone to the victory of
their sides. Of the four wins. Seems like a month
ago this game. But he had a couple of little
shaky moments. But this is Darcy Morty's best. We'll talk
about how and why in a moment. But I just
thought he stopped Adelaide, just stopped them in their tracks.
(03:25):
And it was an unbelievable performance, thurning possessions, thurning intercept.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Positions, all of them. It was great. It was awesome.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
All right.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So here's all we've got.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Still still eleven votes, there's still there's still time that's
got to But yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I love the way he played Jared. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
All right, let's.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Get to it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The agenda is steeped in the events of four spectacular finals,
each distinct in its own way, but they served as
a collective to remind us that September Foot he really
is the best.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
To come over here.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
You know, no one probably gave us too much of
a chance, which with some would love, but yeah, really
proud of the.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Group right now.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well for three quarters.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Would get it done in finals, fretty.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I just want to keep a bit of a lid
on it.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
They were really ready tonight to go. I thought we were, but.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That were much better than us.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, it's devastating.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
We were one in eight previously.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Now we're one in six.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Chance of winning something pretty special, you know, that was
that was a great win.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You know, I'm really proud of really proud of.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
All the lads and how they went about it. Finals
of great moments, you know, they took. They took more
moments and we.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Did moments that we did.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Over our coaching journeys, in particular in finals. There's some
moments in big finals games that players get right, get right.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Can you win it?
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I think we can. And be out right teams would
be saying the same thing. It's small marches around now and.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Here, we'll give it.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That best shot.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
We'll give it a.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Nick day.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
God works the ball, throw for a brilliant gold, don't
go away.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Pass put it for He's a very good worker. They
have been rob boards and right.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You know, we just we're just playing match plays right now.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
We know, we don't know where next match plays against.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But I know one thing that next time we play,
there's only fourteenth left.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's Tamny kick that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh that is fantasy football.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They are nice scar with them all.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, g Long have turned the tables on the tips.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They bought all the advantages that September and they bought
the lines to go the long way round the mountain.
We can make a drama out of it. They've been
in the last seven final series and done some pretty
good work at that time.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
So it's not always got to be a better Roses.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It is so abrupt.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
The finish is so abrupt.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I am nowhere near ready for the season to be
over in five days. So it's bye bye to the Giants,
the Hawks sneaking closer, the girl Taylor kicks it. Come on,
chall roll.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Your message us.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Keep putting yourself in that position, keep your position where
you can fail on the big stage and.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Be incredibly disappointed. But if you're not there, you'll then
feel it.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
I'm going to give you an exclusive gear to anice charity.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
The man who will play.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
It's head versus heart.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But the combination of circumstances is he deserves your spot.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
But if you lose your slow held hells have a
big opportunity out.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
You'll get the freak kick talks tackled him.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
He didn't have the book.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
By seven guys are playing.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Let you seem going to crack in the game.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
It's nice final and it's first in a final.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Pagazon, it's incredible.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Eight sizes, Raggedy's gods.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
They thought they.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Were What an extraord refers to this time is high peak.
You wouldn't worry about it. You wouldn't blame its.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Si game elli extasy.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Sport.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
But if you's been fifty in the baking to.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Your climate, say tails, David.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Swallow, you are a hero.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
There's no tougher challenge.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
I reckon then coming across here from a sixty thousand
fans hostile environment, get headed with two and a half
three minutes ago, and then respond, So Doug gain enormous prices.
You get to that picture.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
There was a game you can only see in September.
What a moment I'm going to see anything like it?
Speaker 6 (08:10):
My goodness, like good.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
What a kid? What a moment at a moment?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
About that?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
For four finals?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So we need two great minds for it. Matthews Roger
at three six times.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Thanks Jared, go it good to join you watching. I'm
a bit earlier so I can go to bed earlier.
That's the reason I'm thinking there must be.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And you go watching that though, well done little that
package together and they a way to kick this finals.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, well, just the sharpness of winning and losing just
comes more to the four when you get into the
knockout stage, which it is now for all all six teams.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
But the agony in the ecstasy, as Dwayne said, it's
it's very much that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And you know we throw cliches and we throw them
around a bit at this time. Yeah, but you know,
the big one is finals is a whole different ball game.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
There's a couple of clubs who were sitting there tonight
the Pratts had Nick's and said, yes, you're damn right.
There is including one over in South Australia to get
a chance through a demon sales, but that was at
the next level.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But they just didn't look ready for me. We'll talk
about in a minute. Yeah, well you're.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Well being ready, I mean, but it we always get
a recency bias. What happened last weekend is always such
a big, big issue, but it has little to do
with what's going to happen next weekend and even the
weekend after that.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I mean, each each each contest is two and a
half three hours in a little package. And who does
it best in the two or three hours, that's what's.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Going to well lose from now on.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And when win, go on, survive and lose your out.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
You could have had your head and the clouds after
all that. But to ground us, this is something that
both of you believe in. What do you like, what statistics?
What measures do you like? During a game in September, Well.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
One thing I always keep track of is the ability
to create marks inside the fifty meter arcs for yourself
both forward and back, and stop the opposition creating marks
in forward and back. And that hit me on Thursday night,
and you gave I gave Darcy more your best play
over the round. I mean, here's a bit to intercept
mark in the back fifty for Collingwood just kind of
(10:04):
seemed to set up the game, isn't. I don't know
quite how or why, because sometimes he was on his own.
It was like the Crows players were kicking the ball
to him. So they dominated that part of the ground.
And this is where Mason Cox comes into it. He
because he's so big, they can't mark against him. And okay,
it's great if you're a forward you can mark the ball,
but if you haven't got forwards, you're going to mark
the ball a lot. Make sure the opposition don't. So
(10:26):
I think that really got born out in the Thursday
night game and the Friday night game was a bit similar.
The two qualifying finals were like the big margin where
Geelong kind of dominated the inside fifties, both forward and back.
And if you do that, pretty good, pretty good, it's
the end. It's the end of the process. It's not
the start of the process. But the ability to do
that is to always and always will be so critical
(10:49):
to me.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, so, Darcy, when we're talking about Tom Stewart was unbelievable,
and then the whole Hawthorne back six.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But I'm great you're here. So this is the coach
you and I have owned about this one time.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It would appear that the first thing that goes in
ways of structure is the Ford half is more underpressure.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Therefore we will vacate our Ford half.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
We'll get numbers around and all of a sudden you
lose your structure and Darcy Moore that's given up goals
plenty in the last six months, six weeks of foot
he gets to part his own.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Is it a coaching thing? Is it a lack of
respect for the forward?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
You feel like you'd like to stop the game and
say to the coaches, now, how are you trying to
set this up? Yes, I don't think the Crows is
trying to set up Darcy Moore ben loose man in
defense on his own. But somehow there's no individual forward
who's been designated normally. What you have to do is
having one of your forwards make sure their made interceptor
doesn't stand by himself. You've got to get someone onto it.
(11:41):
Even if it's a smaller bloke, it doesn't matter. You
can't let them be on their own. So I think
we're all watching that game and asking the question because
there was seen to be happening for a big chunk
of the.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Game, didn't it.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
The behind the goal vision was really instructive when you
saw Darcy Moore adversity on his own in.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Is half of the field.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Only that, given that Darcy Moore had given up six
goals to Patrick Voss in a game five or six
weeks ago at the MCG and it's different but on
players and Logan Marits who hit up at the ball,
draw the footy.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And Darcy's gone. Does he sit in their room? I'm
sure he's sitting in the room.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Before the game, gone, Please please, please, just don't leave
me on my own And lo and behold he plays
on his own and just stops Adelaide in their tracks.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It was a staggering miss.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
And the other thing that he did he marked that
he didn't try and spoil because the other thing you
want from intercept marks and Harris Andrews on Friday night
he mainly spoiled even though he had she had a
Neil under control. You need them to mark the ball,
which is what Tom Stewart did, and Darcy Ware did,
and Mation Cox stopped the Crow's defenders from doing.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
All right, you're run out as the most pragmatic man
in football. But Saturday night was for the misty eyed romantics.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Gas.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Could you believe from the moment that David Swallow was
announced has been in the team here, that it would
conspire to deliver the defining moment of the game.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
The ball was on his boot at the end.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
No, because if you write the script, you'd say, listen,
that's too cooln much overstretching here, No, damn hard to
announce it here, which was took us both by surprise
when he said he was going to play, and then
all we we lived it through his eyes. Every single
gold Coo Son's player that talks about David Swallow does
it with a reverence, so he's standing in the club
is unsurpassed. And then we just got off the plane
(13:24):
when this happened, and the Hawthorne boys were sitting around
watching it, and this cheer went up when he slotted
it through.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So now I thought it was an overreach by the scriptwriters.
That was superb in the end.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It was amazingly, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
No, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I mean that he's been one of the very long
standing Son's players I always think. I mean, it's interesting
because I don't know how much he deserved his place
in the team on form and you'd say the same
about Nat Fight, but using him as subs, I mean,
I know we're about to get rid of the sub.
I reckon the sub's got a really good function in
our game, and one of them is the veteran players.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
They're good subs.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
They alluded to the injection of emotion. The Travis he
lived through this because they took on put Adelaide and
put Adelaid beat them through. The Travis bog He's Travis
boke eyes. I reckon it sort of planted a seed
for him in the back of his mind and said, well,
there is an emotional uplift in all this, and then
we see scenes like this, which you know, we'll talk
about what it means for footy on the up there
in Queensland and particularly on the Gold Coast. It's stunning.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It was a stunning result.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
There were two possibilities with the Suns, either satisfied to
get there, finally made the breakthrough, or built for finals.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And it turns out there built for final.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
No, I don't think they're going to be satisfied. I
mean those two young blokes in the middle, Rail and Anderson.
I mean the fact that they were the first and
second church in the draft and they stayed. They're good players,
great characters and they stayed only twenty four year olds.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I mean, that's a terrific core to build your club on.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Philosophically. They've got those two, I know they, And then
you get Sarong and Brashaw. We're outstanding as well. To
be able to shut down Anderson and Row goes a
long way to shutting down the Gold Coast, more so
even than the other two. And you see what you
Long are able to do with their Irish wolf founds
who can go after anyone at any time.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Because Geelong haven't got really elite three or four center
square plates Atkins zero anchor point, so they can use
other plays and use a couple of but training up
a couple of close checking one on one.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Is not Geelong have done.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
I mean, I don't think most clubs haven't got that.
They either haven't trained it or they just it's not
part of their list.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Coaches have been telling us for years that that throws
our system. You can't play it because it upsets the
way we want to play.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Even coaches get fascinated by their system. Is if my
system will always beat their system.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
That's what I love about the Brisbane Lines. What risk
is there that all the adversity that they have stared
down and I think heroically come through is about to
crush them? Are they at tipping point.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Well, I think they probably are at tipping point, but
doesn't mean they can't still play well. I mean, Hipwood's
been out for a while and Lucky Neil didn't play
for a few weeks and they had really good wins
against Frio in Perth and Collingwood and Hawthorne the gap,
so they've still played well without the couple of players
that are now going to be out of there out
of the campaign. But I always want your best, your
best twenty three on your list is what you'd like
(16:19):
to field. And certainly the Lions probably if you took
the Grand Final team last year, there's five or six
missing from that Grand Final team last year. So a
lot of load on the next generation players because you
have one or two really young guys.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
But if you have four or five, doesn't.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Matter how good the other eighten or twenty, it's really
hard to cope. So the Lions are in that sort
of in that margins.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We looked for signs early in games and there was
a clear sign, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So they'd won the last three busbard against Geelong in
a similar pattern, So they'd kick thirty six points from
the back half fifty two points from the back half
and fifty nine, so you go on to their ball
moving from the back half being superb. Chris Scott's one
of the smartest coaches in the in the competition.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So this is what happened at a time when I
went right here.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
This is the first time they really started to look
to try and get this game going.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And Zorka gets involved twice. This is before a Schools.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Kicked and bang stengles on, it goes back the other way.
Jeremy Camra mark and goal and there the pattern was
established for the rest of the night.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We know you want to do this, we know you're
going to take the game.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
On through the middle, and we're awake to it and
we're alert to it and we're switched on. And the
amount of smothers, the smothering in that first half, the
fifty tackles in the first half, it's just to Brisbane's
eternal Creditly, they didn't get spooked. They just kept going,
which is, yeah, that's the way they're going to play.
And if you can beat us, good luck well Geelong,
but you and beat you really well. So what we
(17:41):
watch now is the learnings.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And Gold Coast will go to school on it, because
I'm pretty sure they ain't changing and Geelong was.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Now they were those three or four interceptions in the
center square when you try to bring the ball back inside.
That's enough for the two. We've got to be really
careful from now on. But Geelong Connor smothered the contest.
They just got a lot of bodies around the contest
that hidouts didn't matter at all because there was going
to be about twenty four players within ten moves of
the ball, and that's led by probably Tom Atkins. But
(18:08):
your billy to smother the lines and line the lines
therefore couldn't run when they keep the ball long and high.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
In the air.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Well, you long defense just dominated.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Is the lockingeel injury won too many?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It feels like it, It does feel like it. But
I'm still giving them a massive chance against the Gold
Coast Sons. I'm talking ultimate success here, I'm talking premierships.
They're still very much alive. This weekend, they'll be outstanding.
But we watched this at the time and there was
half your heart in your mouth and suggestion from our boys,
and the boundaries is a cramp. But you knew, you
(18:38):
just knew by the way you looked at it. So
you're not getting over a calf in four weeks. So
that's season done and it does just feel a.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Bit like that and the Q clash Lee in a
final series. So we've had four Sydney Darby's peculiarly one showdown,
never had a Western Derby. Because this is the biggest
night of footing in Queensland.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Well, it would be gigantic for queens You've got to
remember it's a bit like the souw these queens Land.
But there's Bridgeman the Gold Coast Condo an hour apart.
The Gold Coast bulletin would be full of goldcusts stuff.
I'll be interested to see where the courier mail of
daily paper in Brisbane normally you don't get much Afellow
that might be on the back page this week, but
what should be I mean, it's the two Brisbane previous
(19:16):
Souvagh Queensland teams being in the finals for your first
same time to get and playing each other.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, that's a huge contest.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The two teams that were eliminated, the Giants and this
is your long suit just the dysfunction in their forward
line early.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, they absolutely dominated field position. They had forty inside
fifties by halftime, and you talk about connecting with your forwards,
they took three marks from those forty inside fifties. We're
talking Cadman, talking Hogan Stringer and this stuff. I was
with Jonathan Brown and Dermot Brett, and I suppose we
all look at it through.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
The same lens.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
They just ran back to goal. They just showed the
ballkicker their back the whole way. Not one player decided
to turn around hit up at the kicker for the
eases kicking forty Watch this lee. Have a look at
the numbers here and look at our Every single one
of them is going back to goal. Every one of
them is heading back. There's a dirty, great big hole
there to come into. And then what happens in the end.
(20:08):
The players with the ball go, well, no one's coming
at me, so what's my options here? Again, they had
that many looks early in this game coming through the middle,
and to Hawthorne's credit, they stood up. But they just
kept coming back to goal, coming back to goal, coming
back to goal, and they weren't getting separation. If they're
getting separation, you might think about it, and then.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
What happens as a result of this. Eventually the penny.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Will drop and a player will go, oh, I'm going
to hit up, And they did it a bit more
on the second half.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So look at that. That's the easiest kick you'll ever
get in footy.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
But by this stage the blokes with the ballgame, well,
you're not hitting up at me all day, so I'm
not kicking there, and they just handed the footy back.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
It was as dysfunctional a forward group as you'd like
to see.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And that's taking nothing away from Hawthorne's defense, who was
just simply brilliant from the opening bounce. But this if
you wanted to get an easy kick, you could have
got an easy kick in that forward half if you
were prepared to turn around and come back up the ball.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
It's so usefuwards these days because of the way the
games played and running back towards goal is it's as
if they're not used to leading at the kicker and
it's almost a foreign thing to do. But as you
pointed out, I mean one of those three coming back
has to be prepared to come back.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Seventy two they had inside fifty to the game. This
is the equal most ever in a losing final.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So the picture of the Giants now who are regressing
here on yes, so close in a preliminary final against Collingwood.
They blew their two big leads last year is as
well documented. They come from forty two points down to
hit the front end a preliminary final. So they've now
lost the full set of finals A preliminary final, qualifying final,
semi final and elimination final. Are they they're getting further away?
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It feels like they should be getting closer.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
They play so well on their day that you kin
but they don't do it often and up. They've been
two up and down and that's been pretty normal over
the last few years. And so they get themselves into
a position and last year, I mean, we'll always remember
that game. There were forty four points in front of
the line and still lost that game. So that's not
going to happen all that often. But they don't seem
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to be on the up. They just seem to be
stuck in that around the mark, and they think they're
still around the mark.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I think there's a chance for them. So I went
back and had a look at Richmond under hardware.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So they went seventh, eighth, seventh, thirteenth, which is a
bit you know, he's gone fourth, fifth, eighth, going a
bit the same way. Then they went first, third, first, first,
and Hawthorne were a bit the same phase eighteen fifteen,
five four five four, just hanging around two to one,
breakthrough the dock is under long warre a bit the
same twelve eleven, sixteen, fourteen ten.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Now they're coming back.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I think there's still a chance for them, And Adam
Kingsley said it put just keep putting yourself back into
that spot, and believe Freo, there's no doubt it's an
opportunity lost. Now one point results in finals a cruel,
so you don't want to extrapolate too much, and they
do have a young profile as they're just opening up now.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
But that was an opportunity loss. It was.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It was.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I'm still fullish on them, and it might be to
my detriment in the long term, but I think a
bit like what I'm talking about these other players, you
just got to keep putting yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Back in there. And I think they've got enough pieces
of this puzzle to contend again learn contend that they
need to add.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
That defensive mid to that group so that those two
boys can continue to get to work but also be
able to lock down one of either Raw or Anderson.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
That's something maybe a wind hager, but you know, that's
the sort of thing they're looking at. But I'm still bullish.
What about you.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
No, I think there's still potentially on that. But I
never thought they were likely to go all the way
this year myself. I just never hit me that they would.
I must on there. I thought the Suns were magnificent.
They worked for most of the game.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I mean they dropped away and obviously Free I could
have come over the topn but I thought for much
of the game they really took it over there and
Free I couldn't quite cope with that. As the lines
could against your lo not good, not do against you
long on Friday night, sometimes the opposition can have a
really good game and ye they've beaten by a point.
That's a way for thin margining reason why you're one,
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or reason while you're lost.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
But no, again, they're a bit like the Giants. They're
round the mart.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But I never felt they were likely to be the
two or three sides most likely to go all the way.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, they're just starting out.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It was really only that they declared now was winning
time because they're making their progress. But at home fifty seven,
a team that never seen finals, you've got to win
that game, and they got outplayed. I agree, they got
outplayed for most of it. Did Adelaide get stage fright?
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Stage fright?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
It's a strange thing. I mean, Collingwood jumped into the
game better, and I guess you'd say.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Why is that?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I mean, this is the Physically, you don't change much
from week to week. Your knowledge doesn't change much from
where your Your emotional.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Stage is changing all the time, and that's what happens
with footballs and football teams. So in the emotional state,
they didn't seem to have it at the start of
the game when the game had to be won, and
that real contest. It was Collingwood who looked like that
were just that the game game harder. So whether that's
stage fright, i'd I don't know honestly the reason, but
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I would have thought you'd say the Crows didn't play well.
I mean they got beaten by fair margin or three
goal six is a fair margin. But they didn't play
the tempe that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So Colinwood, I thought the twenty three Colinwood players went
in with the finals like mentality that this is play
for our lifetime. That's what no one knows it better
than that is you do what That's the mainard mentality.
He carries it, and I reckon twenty two others went
with him. I reckon there were four for Adelaide. I
don't reckon they were anywhere near enough Adelaide players that
(25:36):
had a play for my life most important thing I've
ever done ever mentality. Now, first time playing finals for
a lot of them, they will walk back, well, this
and this is why next week is so is so
interesting for me on Friday night, is what you learn.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I reckon. Matthew Nicks missed his mark. I don't think
he coached in the manner.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't think he was anywhere near the coach that
he was allowing the more thing to unfold in the
manner that it did. I thought they're deferential, that is,
they deferred to calling, oh, you bokes look like you're
a bit hungrier than us, so we'll sit back. And
I thought they are way too passive as a football club.
And that's that is are they're strong words and they're
not meant to be derogatory, but that is what it
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looked like to most people.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
So now it's over to you, Matthew Nickson Adelaide, and
let's see if you can. And then he's I guess
the next thing is you can wind them back up
here and throw all this at their feet.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You've got to get the level right on Friday. I
can't tip over the other way.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Well, that's true, I mean, but the circumstances would create
there's going to be a rebound.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I mean, most of the.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Time when a qualifying final is lost, the winners bounce
back off that and usually rebound pretty well for a
whole lot of these set of circumstances that if you
could put your.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Finger on exactly the why, it wouldn't be so irregular.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You remember, you can we're going to kick going Pilthorpe,
who I don't think he's scared. He never said to
me that he's a scared player, but he just he
did deferred.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
This is not the time where you go, O, well,
I might let someone else have a guard. This is
your time where you go, oh and the man, this
is the finals, cutthroat.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I'll be the one.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
That's what I want to see from them on Friday
night because Hawthorn will bring that mentality.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So the umpiring raises Angel do a big project on
this Tomorrow night. So there's the singular moments which we
sheet home too much to one man, I think, and
then there's the systematic side of it, as this was unfoldy.
You're sitting in the stands as just the tumult spreads.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
What are we looking at you?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Well, it is credible. I was sitting in the stands.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
And when you're at the football and you're not getting
the replays, I mean, obviously I can't we call there.
But being at a game where the ball has gone
from one end to the other end for a free kick,
and now if it's a free kick, well clearly that is.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Supposed to happen.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I thought to myself, Oh, I hope it was a
big free kick, not a little wishy was you won?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Hope it was a big one, because this is a
big furror.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Or the second one. I got them the two goals,
But I mean that's a little free kick in it.
I mean one thing I would say when two players
one hundred meters from the ball, the contact should be
almost none. Like it's not like your ten moves from
the ball and you're pushing and shoving each other. So
there's no doubt that cam Raun who exaggerated the contact
(28:12):
and the contact was very little.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But at the same time, there should be no contact.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
From a defender's point but where anybody's point of view.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
In other words, any player who's creating a contact like that,
you could push that as you could say that was
a push in the back if nothing else. All I'm
saying is there should be no contact one hundred mets
from the ball. Should there in principle, like when you're
round the contest, you're pushing and shoving.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
But I watched a.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Reserves game yesterday in the morning of the potential league
and there's two young humpires players were going down all
over the place.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Is that a free chick that I were just saying,
get out up?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
In other words, well I got a feeling, was it
free chick?
Speaker 5 (28:50):
You can't shove the blake again fifty mets from the ball.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
But nevertheless, Jared at the game when you didn't have
the replay.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
It was like a terrible weird atmosphere because you didn't
know what exactly is going on. So where now when
you get into the big picture of it, Well, I
guess if the umpire thinks it's a free kick, he's got.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
To pay it now.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I hate the fact the AFL afraid the umpire rounder
the bus, Like, Okay, it was probably a bad decision,
but you don't have to say it too categorically.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
They employed the umpires.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
It's like, it's like a coach and his team, the
AFL's team of officiators is the umpires treat them with
respect and don't throw them under the bus.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
What what should they have said then, because if they
said it was a very it was.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
It was a very contentious decision and the umpire at
the time chose to give it.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well, that's satisfied that.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
No, that's not the point.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Back him.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Look after your umpire.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
And I had every other umpire out in the suburbs
that needs to be supported by the people.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Who employ them. Lean, it's been great to have you here.
Thank God, thank you, thank you over the umpire, then
leave Matthews on.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
ANFL three sixty. Our modern day coaches are experienced the
absolute euphoria of all of it. Damien Hardwick over in
the West and Sam Mitchell in Sydney. Both rivers next
as they hire their sitting by the Science
The rise of the September Suns Gold Coasts make history
in a fairy tale final and coach Damian Hardwick.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Is with us.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
The Hawks are heading back to Adelaide, the theater of
last year's semi final heartbreak, and Sam Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Is at the desk and football legend Lee Matthews is
here as Queensland prepares for its most significant night.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yet we've talked about is a step into it, embrace
all of it in the room and read it. It's
unedifying for a senior coach to do that. They're on
the side of Courtia with the brain hape, the man on.
They played the best footy I've.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Ever seen at the start of the season, and Andrew said,
president left. The couple older said, of course they do.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It is the stuff that legends are made of. What
is holding the ball? I don't think I could answer
it clearly right now that I.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Could do something wrong, you know, And I need to
get on the board.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Sexue the fans, lover and with no fans, no through
sixty year.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Old thrilling eliminators, statement performances.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And three road wins cause that was granted exactly what we.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Needed, just turbo charges Finals campaign full, fantastic game storylines everywhere,
two great coaches coming.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Here tonight and the ultimate coach as well. It's going
to be awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So this hour has to do justice to the food
that was played. So we've got up to seventeen premiership
join us the two coaches that you'd most like to
hear from, Damian Hardwick and Sam Mitchell, and our long
held desire to have Lee Matthews here at the desk
is about to be fulfilled. It's like bringing the megapowers together,
the two best opinions in the game sitting together to
(01:36):
dissect all that transpired.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I was thinking, who's the other one on the couch?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Jack, Jordy, Nathan and Jonathan to take us through what
transpired to their eye in week one of the finals. Now,
my last dollar was on that outright leader in the GVPS,
and I'm so excited to say we have an outright
leader in the GVPS. The Mustang GT fastback downed at
ninety three thousand dollars, my Conic design, unreal performance. Finally
(02:02):
the V eight engine. It is up for grabs in
this final series and the movement. Honestly, these votes should
be worth double but.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
They should go in.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And there were some heroics throughout this first final series
that deserve double vote, So unlucky players everywhere, but it can.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Only be three Joe, That's the way we roll.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
John Nukan was unbelievable in the game that we watched
it up at the Giants Injy Stadium. Just thought his
first half just put a stamp on it. It's everything
you wanted from a finals.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Performing the man that's coming in here.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I watched the Hawthorne team through my childhood. The number
three was a legend and to watch the number three
go about it in the final series had a famili
look about it and he was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So fantastic performance from here. Matthew Row two votes.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Maddie Rawl started watching this in the Airline lounge and
no sound, and I was just marveling in his brute
strength and sort of thing that I've loved about him
all year. And look, Carleb's wrong with superb. Bracure was superb. No,
Anderson was superb. But he just catches me on. I
just love the way he plays. I love the way
he tries, which is a pretty simplistic way to put
about it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But he was absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And then get three votes as he can drive the
Mustang if he wins it. And then I thought Darcy
Moore was as significant as anyone to the victory of
their sides. Of the four wins. Seems like a month
ago this game. But he had a couple of little
shaky moments. But this is Darcy Morty's best. We'll talk
about how and why in a moment. But I just
thought he stopped Adelaide, just stopped them in their tracks.
(03:25):
And it was an unbelievable performance, thurning possessions, thurning intercept.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Positions, all of them. It was great. It was awesome.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
All right.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So here's all we've got.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Still still eleven votes, there's still there's still time that's
got to But yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I love the way he played Jared. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
All right, let's.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Get to it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The agenda is steeped in the events of four spectacular finals,
each distinct in its own way, but they served as
a collective to remind us that September Foot he really
is the best.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
To come over here.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
You know, no one probably gave us too much of
a chance, which with some would love, but yeah, really
proud of the.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Group right now.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well for three quarters.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Would get it done in finals, fretty.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I just want to keep a bit of a lid
on it.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
They were really ready tonight to go. I thought we were, but.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That were much better than us.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, it's devastating.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
We were one in eight previously.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Now we're one in six.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Chance of winning something pretty special, you know, that was
that was a great win.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You know, I'm really proud of really proud of.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
All the lads and how they went about it. Finals
of great moments, you know, they took. They took more
moments and we.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Did moments that we did.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Over our coaching journeys, in particular in finals. There's some
moments in big finals games that players get right, get right.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Can you win it?
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I think we can. And be out right teams would
be saying the same thing. It's small marches around now and.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Here, we'll give it.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That best shot.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
We'll give it a.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Nick day.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
God works the ball, throw for a brilliant gold, don't
go away.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Pass put it for He's a very good worker. They
have been rob boards and right.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You know, we just we're just playing match plays right now.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
We know, we don't know where next match plays against.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But I know one thing that next time we play,
there's only fourteenth left.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's Tamny kick that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh that is fantasy football.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They are nice scar with them all.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, g Long have turned the tables on the tips.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They bought all the advantages that September and they bought
the lines to go the long way round the mountain.
We can make a drama out of it. They've been
in the last seven final series and done some pretty
good work at that time.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
So it's not always got to be a better Roses.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It is so abrupt.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
The finish is so abrupt.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I am nowhere near ready for the season to be
over in five days. So it's bye bye to the Giants,
the Hawks sneaking closer, the girl Taylor kicks it. Come on,
chall roll.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Your message us.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Keep putting yourself in that position, keep your position where
you can fail on the big stage and.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Be incredibly disappointed. But if you're not there, you'll then
feel it.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
I'm going to give you an exclusive gear to anice charity.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
The man who will play.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
It's head versus heart.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But the combination of circumstances is he deserves your spot.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
But if you lose your slow held hells have a
big opportunity out.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
You'll get the freak kick talks tackled him.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
He didn't have the book.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
By seven guys are playing.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Let you seem going to crack in the game.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
It's nice final and it's first in a final.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Pagazon, it's incredible.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Eight sizes, Raggedy's gods.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
They thought they.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Were What an extraord refers to this time is high peak.
You wouldn't worry about it. You wouldn't blame its.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Si game elli extasy.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Sport.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
But if you's been fifty in the baking to.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Your climate, say tails, David.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Swallow, you are a hero.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
There's no tougher challenge.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
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three minutes ago, and then respond, So Doug gain enormous prices.
You get to that picture.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
There was a game you can only see in September.
What a moment I'm going to see anything like it?
Speaker 6 (08:10):
My goodness, like good.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
What a kid? What a moment at a moment?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
About that?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
For four finals?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So we need two great minds for it. Matthews Roger
at three six times.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Thanks Jared, go it good to join you watching. I'm
a bit earlier so I can go to bed earlier.
That's the reason I'm thinking there must be.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And you go watching that though, well done little that
package together and they a way to kick this finals.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, well, just the sharpness of winning and losing just
comes more to the four when you get into the
knockout stage, which it is now for all all six teams.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
But the agony in the ecstasy, as Dwayne said, it's
it's very much that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And you know we throw cliches and we throw them
around a bit at this time. Yeah, but you know,
the big one is finals is a whole different ball game.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
There's a couple of clubs who were sitting there tonight
the Pratts had Nick's and said, yes, you're damn right.
There is including one over in South Australia to get
a chance through a demon sales, but that was at
the next level.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But they just didn't look ready for me. We'll talk
about in a minute. Yeah, well you're.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Well being ready, I mean, but it we always get
a recency bias. What happened last weekend is always such
a big, big issue, but it has little to do
with what's going to happen next weekend and even the
weekend after that.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I mean, each each each contest is two and a
half three hours in a little package. And who does
it best in the two or three hours, that's what's.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Going to well lose from now on.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And when win, go on, survive and lose your out.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
You could have had your head and the clouds after
all that. But to ground us, this is something that
both of you believe in. What do you like, what statistics?
What measures do you like? During a game in September, Well.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
One thing I always keep track of is the ability
to create marks inside the fifty meter arcs for yourself
both forward and back, and stop the opposition creating marks
in forward and back. And that hit me on Thursday night,
and you gave I gave Darcy more your best play
over the round. I mean, here's a bit to intercept
mark in the back fifty for Collingwood just kind of
(10:04):
seemed to set up the game, isn't. I don't know
quite how or why, because sometimes he was on his own.
It was like the Crows players were kicking the ball
to him. So they dominated that part of the ground.
And this is where Mason Cox comes into it. He
because he's so big, they can't mark against him. And okay,
it's great if you're a forward you can mark the ball,
but if you haven't got forwards, you're going to mark
the ball a lot. Make sure the opposition don't. So
(10:26):
I think that really got born out in the Thursday
night game and the Friday night game was a bit similar.
The two qualifying finals were like the big margin where
Geelong kind of dominated the inside fifties, both forward and back.
And if you do that, pretty good, pretty good, it's
the end. It's the end of the process. It's not
the start of the process. But the ability to do
that is to always and always will be so critical
(10:49):
to me.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, so, Darcy, when we're talking about Tom Stewart was unbelievable,
and then the whole Hawthorne back six.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But I'm great you're here. So this is the coach
you and I have owned about this one time.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It would appear that the first thing that goes in
ways of structure is the Ford half is more underpressure.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Therefore we will vacate our Ford half.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
We'll get numbers around and all of a sudden you
lose your structure and Darcy Moore that's given up goals
plenty in the last six months, six weeks of foot
he gets to part his own.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Is it a coaching thing? Is it a lack of
respect for the forward?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
You feel like you'd like to stop the game and
say to the coaches, now, how are you trying to
set this up? Yes, I don't think the Crows is
trying to set up Darcy Moore ben loose man in
defense on his own. But somehow there's no individual forward
who's been designated normally. What you have to do is
having one of your forwards make sure their made interceptor
doesn't stand by himself. You've got to get someone onto it.
(11:41):
Even if it's a smaller bloke, it doesn't matter. You
can't let them be on their own. So I think
we're all watching that game and asking the question because
there was seen to be happening for a big chunk
of the.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Game, didn't it.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
The behind the goal vision was really instructive when you
saw Darcy Moore adversity on his own in.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Is half of the field.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Only that, given that Darcy Moore had given up six
goals to Patrick Voss in a game five or six
weeks ago at the MCG and it's different but on
players and Logan Marits who hit up at the ball,
draw the footy.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And Darcy's gone. Does he sit in their room? I'm
sure he's sitting in the room.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Before the game, gone, Please please, please, just don't leave
me on my own And lo and behold he plays
on his own and just stops Adelaide in their tracks.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It was a staggering miss.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
And the other thing that he did he marked that
he didn't try and spoil because the other thing you
want from intercept marks and Harris Andrews on Friday night
he mainly spoiled even though he had she had a
Neil under control. You need them to mark the ball,
which is what Tom Stewart did, and Darcy Ware did,
and Mation Cox stopped the Crow's defenders from doing.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
All right, you're run out as the most pragmatic man
in football. But Saturday night was for the misty eyed romantics.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Gas.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Could you believe from the moment that David Swallow was
announced has been in the team here, that it would
conspire to deliver the defining moment of the game.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
The ball was on his boot at the end.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
No, because if you write the script, you'd say, listen,
that's too cooln much overstretching here, No, damn hard to
announce it here, which was took us both by surprise
when he said he was going to play, and then
all we we lived it through his eyes. Every single
gold Coo Son's player that talks about David Swallow does
it with a reverence, so he's standing in the club
is unsurpassed. And then we just got off the plane
(13:24):
when this happened, and the Hawthorne boys were sitting around
watching it, and this cheer went up when he slotted
it through.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So now I thought it was an overreach by the scriptwriters.
That was superb in the end.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It was amazingly, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
No, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I mean that he's been one of the very long
standing Son's players I always think. I mean, it's interesting
because I don't know how much he deserved his place
in the team on form and you'd say the same
about Nat Fight, but using him as subs, I mean,
I know we're about to get rid of the sub.
I reckon the sub's got a really good function in
our game, and one of them is the veteran players.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
They're good subs.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
They alluded to the injection of emotion. The Travis he
lived through this because they took on put Adelaide and
put Adelaid beat them through. The Travis bog He's Travis
boke eyes. I reckon it sort of planted a seed
for him in the back of his mind and said, well,
there is an emotional uplift in all this, and then
we see scenes like this, which you know, we'll talk
about what it means for footy on the up there
in Queensland and particularly on the Gold Coast. It's stunning.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It was a stunning result.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
There were two possibilities with the Suns, either satisfied to
get there, finally made the breakthrough, or built for finals.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And it turns out there built for final.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
No, I don't think they're going to be satisfied. I
mean those two young blokes in the middle, Rail and Anderson.
I mean the fact that they were the first and
second church in the draft and they stayed. They're good players,
great characters and they stayed only twenty four year olds.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I mean, that's a terrific core to build your club on.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Philosophically. They've got those two, I know they, And then
you get Sarong and Brashaw. We're outstanding as well. To
be able to shut down Anderson and Row goes a
long way to shutting down the Gold Coast, more so
even than the other two. And you see what you
Long are able to do with their Irish wolf founds
who can go after anyone at any time.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Because Geelong haven't got really elite three or four center
square plates Atkins zero anchor point, so they can use
other plays and use a couple of but training up
a couple of close checking one on one.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Is not Geelong have done.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
I mean, I don't think most clubs haven't got that.
They either haven't trained it or they just it's not
part of their list.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Coaches have been telling us for years that that throws
our system. You can't play it because it upsets the
way we want to play.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Even coaches get fascinated by their system. Is if my
system will always beat their system.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
That's what I love about the Brisbane Lines. What risk
is there that all the adversity that they have stared
down and I think heroically come through is about to
crush them? Are they at tipping point.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Well, I think they probably are at tipping point, but
doesn't mean they can't still play well. I mean, Hipwood's
been out for a while and Lucky Neil didn't play
for a few weeks and they had really good wins
against Frio in Perth and Collingwood and Hawthorne the gap,
so they've still played well without the couple of players
that are now going to be out of there out
of the campaign. But I always want your best, your
best twenty three on your list is what you'd like
(16:19):
to field. And certainly the Lions probably if you took
the Grand Final team last year, there's five or six
missing from that Grand Final team last year. So a
lot of load on the next generation players because you
have one or two really young guys.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
But if you have four or five, doesn't.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Matter how good the other eighten or twenty, it's really
hard to cope. So the Lions are in that sort
of in that margins.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We looked for signs early in games and there was
a clear sign, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So they'd won the last three busbard against Geelong in
a similar pattern, So they'd kick thirty six points from
the back half fifty two points from the back half
and fifty nine, so you go on to their ball
moving from the back half being superb. Chris Scott's one
of the smartest coaches in the in the competition.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So this is what happened at a time when I
went right here.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
This is the first time they really started to look
to try and get this game going.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And Zorka gets involved twice. This is before a Schools.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Kicked and bang stengles on, it goes back the other way.
Jeremy Camra mark and goal and there the pattern was
established for the rest of the night.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We know you want to do this, we know you're
going to take the game.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
On through the middle, and we're awake to it and
we're alert to it and we're switched on. And the
amount of smothers, the smothering in that first half, the
fifty tackles in the first half, it's just to Brisbane's
eternal Creditly, they didn't get spooked. They just kept going,
which is, yeah, that's the way they're going to play.
And if you can beat us, good luck well Geelong,
but you and beat you really well. So what we
(17:41):
watch now is the learnings.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And Gold Coast will go to school on it, because
I'm pretty sure they ain't changing and Geelong was.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Now they were those three or four interceptions in the
center square when you try to bring the ball back inside.
That's enough for the two. We've got to be really
careful from now on. But Geelong Connor smothered the contest.
They just got a lot of bodies around the contest
that hidouts didn't matter at all because there was going
to be about twenty four players within ten moves of
the ball, and that's led by probably Tom Atkins. But
(18:08):
your billy to smother the lines and line the lines
therefore couldn't run when they keep the ball long and high.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
In the air.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Well, you long defense just dominated.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Is the lockingeel injury won too many?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It feels like it, It does feel like it. But
I'm still giving them a massive chance against the Gold
Coast Sons. I'm talking ultimate success here, I'm talking premierships.
They're still very much alive. This weekend, they'll be outstanding.
But we watched this at the time and there was
half your heart in your mouth and suggestion from our boys,
and the boundaries is a cramp. But you knew, you
(18:38):
just knew by the way you looked at it. So
you're not getting over a calf in four weeks. So
that's season done and it does just feel a.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Bit like that and the Q clash Lee in a
final series. So we've had four Sydney Darby's peculiarly one showdown,
never had a Western Derby. Because this is the biggest
night of footing in Queensland.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Well, it would be gigantic for queens You've got to
remember it's a bit like the souw these queens Land.
But there's Bridgeman the Gold Coast Condo an hour apart.
The Gold Coast bulletin would be full of goldcusts stuff.
I'll be interested to see where the courier mail of
daily paper in Brisbane normally you don't get much Afellow
that might be on the back page this week, but
what should be I mean, it's the two Brisbane previous
(19:16):
Souvagh Queensland teams being in the finals for your first
same time to get and playing each other.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, that's a huge contest.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The two teams that were eliminated, the Giants and this
is your long suit just the dysfunction in their forward
line early.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, they absolutely dominated field position. They had forty inside
fifties by halftime, and you talk about connecting with your forwards,
they took three marks from those forty inside fifties. We're
talking Cadman, talking Hogan Stringer and this stuff. I was
with Jonathan Brown and Dermot Brett, and I suppose we
all look at it through.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
The same lens.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
They just ran back to goal. They just showed the
ballkicker their back the whole way. Not one player decided
to turn around hit up at the kicker for the
eases kicking forty Watch this lee. Have a look at
the numbers here and look at our Every single one
of them is going back to goal. Every one of
them is heading back. There's a dirty, great big hole
there to come into. And then what happens in the end.
(20:08):
The players with the ball go, well, no one's coming
at me, so what's my options here? Again, they had
that many looks early in this game coming through the middle,
and to Hawthorne's credit, they stood up. But they just
kept coming back to goal, coming back to goal, coming
back to goal, and they weren't getting separation. If they're
getting separation, you might think about it, and then.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
What happens as a result of this. Eventually the penny.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Will drop and a player will go, oh, I'm going
to hit up, And they did it a bit more
on the second half.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So look at that. That's the easiest kick you'll ever
get in footy.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
But by this stage the blokes with the ballgame, well,
you're not hitting up at me all day, so I'm
not kicking there, and they just handed the footy back.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
It was as dysfunctional a forward group as you'd like
to see.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And that's taking nothing away from Hawthorne's defense, who was
just simply brilliant from the opening bounce. But this if
you wanted to get an easy kick, you could have
got an easy kick in that forward half if you
were prepared to turn around and come back up the ball.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
It's so usefuwards these days because of the way the
games played and running back towards goal is it's as
if they're not used to leading at the kicker and
it's almost a foreign thing to do. But as you
pointed out, I mean one of those three coming back
has to be prepared to come back.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Seventy two they had inside fifty to the game. This
is the equal most ever in a losing final.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So the picture of the Giants now who are regressing
here on yes, so close in a preliminary final against Collingwood.
They blew their two big leads last year is as
well documented. They come from forty two points down to
hit the front end a preliminary final. So they've now
lost the full set of finals A preliminary final, qualifying final,
semi final and elimination final. Are they they're getting further away?
(21:40):
It feels like they should be getting closer.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
They play so well on their day that you kin
but they don't do it often and up. They've been
two up and down and that's been pretty normal over
the last few years. And so they get themselves into
a position and last year, I mean, we'll always remember
that game. There were forty four points in front of
the line and still lost that game. So that's not
going to happen all that often. But they don't seem
(22:05):
to be on the up. They just seem to be
stuck in that around the mark, and they think they're
still around the mark.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I think there's a chance for them. So I went
back and had a look at Richmond under hardware.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So they went seventh, eighth, seventh, thirteenth, which is a
bit you know, he's gone fourth, fifth, eighth, going a
bit the same way. Then they went first, third, first, first,
and Hawthorne were a bit the same phase eighteen fifteen,
five four five four, just hanging around two to one,
breakthrough the dock is under long warre a bit the
same twelve eleven, sixteen, fourteen ten.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Now they're coming back.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I think there's still a chance for them, And Adam
Kingsley said it put just keep putting yourself back into
that spot, and believe Freo, there's no doubt it's an
opportunity lost. Now one point results in finals a cruel,
so you don't want to extrapolate too much, and they
do have a young profile as they're just opening up now.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
But that was an opportunity loss. It was.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It was.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I'm still fullish on them, and it might be to
my detriment in the long term, but I think a
bit like what I'm talking about these other players, you
just got to keep putting yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Back in there. And I think they've got enough pieces
of this puzzle to contend again learn contend that they
need to add.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
That defensive mid to that group so that those two
boys can continue to get to work but also be
able to lock down one of either Raw or Anderson.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
That's something maybe a wind hager, but you know, that's
the sort of thing they're looking at. But I'm still bullish.
What about you.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
No, I think there's still potentially on that. But I
never thought they were likely to go all the way
this year myself. I just never hit me that they would.
I must on there. I thought the Suns were magnificent.
They worked for most of the game.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I mean they dropped away and obviously Free I could
have come over the topn but I thought for much
of the game they really took it over there and
Free I couldn't quite cope with that. As the lines
could against your lo not good, not do against you
long on Friday night, sometimes the opposition can have a
really good game and ye they've beaten by a point.
That's a way for thin margining reason why you're one,
(24:00):
or reason while you're lost.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
But no, again, they're a bit like the Giants. They're
round the mart.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But I never felt they were likely to be the
two or three sides most likely to go all the way.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, they're just starting out.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It was really only that they declared now was winning
time because they're making their progress. But at home fifty seven,
a team that never seen finals, you've got to win
that game, and they got outplayed. I agree, they got
outplayed for most of it. Did Adelaide get stage fright?
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Stage fright?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
It's a strange thing. I mean, Collingwood jumped into the
game better, and I guess you'd say.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Why is that?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I mean, this is the Physically, you don't change much
from week to week. Your knowledge doesn't change much from
where your Your emotional.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Stage is changing all the time, and that's what happens
with footballs and football teams. So in the emotional state,
they didn't seem to have it at the start of
the game when the game had to be won, and
that real contest. It was Collingwood who looked like that
were just that the game game harder. So whether that's
stage fright, i'd I don't know honestly the reason, but
(25:02):
I would have thought you'd say the Crows didn't play well.
I mean they got beaten by fair margin or three
goal six is a fair margin. But they didn't play
the tempe that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So Colinwood, I thought the twenty three Colinwood players went
in with the finals like mentality that this is play
for our lifetime. That's what no one knows it better
than that is you do what That's the mainard mentality.
He carries it, and I reckon twenty two others went
with him. I reckon there were four for Adelaide. I
don't reckon they were anywhere near enough Adelaide players that
(25:36):
had a play for my life most important thing I've
ever done ever mentality. Now, first time playing finals for
a lot of them, they will walk back, well, this
and this is why next week is so is so
interesting for me on Friday night, is what you learn.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I reckon. Matthew Nicks missed his mark. I don't think
he coached in the manner.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't think he was anywhere near the coach that
he was allowing the more thing to unfold in the
manner that it did. I thought they're deferential, that is,
they deferred to calling, oh, you bokes look like you're
a bit hungrier than us, so we'll sit back. And
I thought they are way too passive as a football club.
And that's that is are they're strong words and they're
not meant to be derogatory, but that is what it
(26:17):
looked like to most people.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
So now it's over to you, Matthew Nickson Adelaide, and
let's see if you can. And then he's I guess
the next thing is you can wind them back up
here and throw all this at their feet.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You've got to get the level right on Friday. I
can't tip over the other way.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Well, that's true, I mean, but the circumstances would create
there's going to be a rebound.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I mean, most of the.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Time when a qualifying final is lost, the winners bounce
back off that and usually rebound pretty well for a
whole lot of these set of circumstances that if you
could put your.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Finger on exactly the why, it wouldn't be so irregular.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You remember, you can we're going to kick going Pilthorpe,
who I don't think he's scared. He never said to
me that he's a scared player, but he just he
did deferred.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
This is not the time where you go, O, well,
I might let someone else have a guard. This is
your time where you go, oh and the man, this
is the finals, cutthroat.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I'll be the one.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
That's what I want to see from them on Friday
night because Hawthorn will bring that mentality.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So the umpiring raises Angel do a big project on
this Tomorrow night. So there's the singular moments which we
sheet home too much to one man, I think, and
then there's the systematic side of it, as this was unfoldy.
You're sitting in the stands as just the tumult spreads.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
What are we looking at you?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Well, it is credible. I was sitting in the stands.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
And when you're at the football and you're not getting
the replays, I mean, obviously I can't we call there.
But being at a game where the ball has gone
from one end to the other end for a free kick,
and now if it's a free kick, well clearly that is.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Supposed to happen.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I thought to myself, Oh, I hope it was a
big free kick, not a little wishy was you won?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Hope it was a big one, because this is a
big furror.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Or the second one. I got them the two goals,
But I mean that's a little free kick in it.
I mean one thing I would say when two players
one hundred meters from the ball, the contact should be
almost none. Like it's not like your ten moves from
the ball and you're pushing and shoving each other. So
there's no doubt that cam Raun who exaggerated the contact
(28:12):
and the contact was very little.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But at the same time, there should be no contact.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
From a defender's point but where anybody's point of view.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
In other words, any player who's creating a contact like that,
you could push that as you could say that was
a push in the back if nothing else. All I'm
saying is there should be no contact one hundred mets
from the ball. Should there in principle, like when you're
round the contest, you're pushing and shoving.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
But I watched a.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Reserves game yesterday in the morning of the potential league
and there's two young humpires players were going down all
over the place.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Is that a free chick that I were just saying,
get out up?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
In other words, well I got a feeling, was it
free chick?
Speaker 5 (28:50):
You can't shove the blake again fifty mets from the ball.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
But nevertheless, Jared at the game when you didn't have
the replay.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
It was like a terrible weird atmosphere because you didn't
know what exactly is going on. So where now when
you get into the big picture of it, Well, I
guess if the umpire thinks it's a free kick, he's got.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
To pay it now.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I hate the fact the AFL afraid the umpire rounder
the bus, Like, Okay, it was probably a bad decision,
but you don't have to say it too categorically.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
They employed the umpires.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
It's like, it's like a coach and his team, the
AFL's team of officiators is the umpires treat them with
respect and don't throw them under the bus.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
What what should they have said then, because if they
said it was a very it was.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
It was a very contentious decision and the umpire at
the time chose to give it.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well, that's satisfied that.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
No, that's not the point.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Back him.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Look after your umpire.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
And I had every other umpire out in the suburbs
that needs to be supported by the people.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Who employ them. Lean, it's been great to have you here.
Thank God, thank you, thank you over the umpire, then
leave Matthews on.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
ANFL three sixty. Our modern day coaches are experienced the
absolute euphoria of all of it. Damien Hardwick over in
the West and Sam Mitchell in Sydney. Both rivers next
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