Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Tuesday the 5th of August with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for a huge edition of AFL 360, discussing today’s news that Premiership-winning coach Simon Goodwin’s time at the Demons has come to an end after nine years at the club. Gaz pays tribute to a ‘forever hero’ of the Dees, they look into what went wrong for Goodwin, suggesting Melbourne are ‘confused and disconnected’, and they look at what the plan is going forward for the footy club.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Melbourne's sacks premiership coach Simon Goodwin. The swift end triggered
by a board declaring its desire for change. How did
the Demons lose faith in the man who ended the
fifty seven year droughts? And what is the plan going forwards?
Club greats and Hall of Famer Gary Lyon with the
full fallouts.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And Travis Burke calls time on his storied career. An
all time great of Port Adelaide joins us ahead of
the final games of his nineteen year journey. We've talked
about is this step into it, embrace all of it
in the room and eat it. It's unedifying for a
senior coach to do that. They're on the side of
Courtia with the brain, take the man on.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and Andrew said, president left the
cup of Older.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Said, of course they do. It is the stuff that
legends are made of. What is holding the ball? I
don't think I could answer it clearly right now that
I could do something.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get and the
board sacks the fans lover and with no fairs, no
through sixty your hope.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
There is a sense of shell shock that accommodates to
day like today, Gary Lyon, I'm sure there's members of
the Demon's community huddled around to listen, to try to
process how they feel about all of this.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So welcome you say as part of the therapy to
get through it. It's a macarb day. It is when
a coach gets sacked, but it puts in place a
whole manner of subsequent steps. So as hard as it is,
there's things that need to be discussed and thrashed out,
and we'll do it today. It's a big news day.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
How have you dealt with your shock? Incidentally, because you're
on air when it landed.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I was shocked. It was a tendon I and I
got the phone call and then the movement and no,
that was a big shock because I had no heads
up at all, which is fine, but that's what generally
happens in footy unless you're a newsbreaker and you're chasing
the story. I was never chasing the story without Simon
being sacked, so that was a shock for me.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's the biggest news day on the year. Simon Goodwin departs.
The sleeper story has been locking. Neil revealed until the
final series with a quad tear. Travis Pokes announced his retirement,
which is historically significant. Ray Chamblin's coming out of retirements.
Did anybody actually ask him? What did he volunteer? And
the Lockey Neil story so torn.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Cord, Yeah, on any other day, this is the lead
story and we dedicate time to it. I've had a
torn quad. It's a six to eight week injury if
you do it badly. I don't know. I mean Locke
played the game out is my memory. He was at
the end, so I don't know whether he's subsequently done
it or it was something that emerged. But they're nasty
injuries because everything you do goes through your quads, and
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particularly from a kicking point of view. So that's that's
a huge injury.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's a tight timeline and the Lions, as we were
talking with Chris Fagan last night, nothing is locked in
so they have to be winning through as well.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That is a big injury for he's a pivotal part
of what they do.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
All right, So here's all we've got lined up. All
the fallout from the Simon Goodwin sacking, Travis Boke and
Marcus Bontonpelli who's a great admirer of the port Adelaide Stallwards.
So they're going to be together for Players night, Ray
Chamberlain to run us through in the back and a
little bit more and then following us the deep dive
into all that's transpired behind the scenes Lauren Wood, Corbin
Middlemiss and John Relph and then tomorrow night, so of
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our favorite pairent who are in the news now, John
longmarro and Adam Simpson, and Simon is scheduled for his
fortnightly appearance here on three point sixty. We'll have the
teams for Hawthorne and Collingwood's which has got an awful.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Lot riding on it.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But let's get into the agenda and it does belong
at Melbourne today after the board took the dramatic step
to sack coach Simon Goodwin four years on from the
premiership glory.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You know, we spent a lot of time blocking out
the noise, but it is suffocating. It comes into your
life and your human life, even when you don't want
it to. You know, we're human beings and as much
as you try and shy away from the things are
going to be harmful to you through that period. He
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can't help. But not when you start getting messages from
your mates and your family members how you're holding up,
how you're going, it seeps in. The best way to
keep your job is to keep doing your job for
the best of your ability and coach your way out
and have an enormous belief in what you're going after,
what your value are, your personal values, and keep going
after it even when you're under the ultimate pressure.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Did you have any days where you've thought, well, if
I'm not going to be supported like this, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think there's no doubt you have.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You have doubts at times about your role within it,
whether you're the right person to continue to do the
job that you love doing and that you've been in
charge of for seven or eight years, and when it
is that heavy, you have doubts about the love of
doing the job. I do love this job, I do
love this footy club. I love the people and I
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love everyone involved. And as I said, the darkest times
can be your biggest growth.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
And as at as you have taken Melbourne's leaders under
the blow torch, all weaken Over spawned in the first
possible fashion the Day, we celebrate their biggest winner this season.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Simon's been here for nine years.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Simon wouldn't be happy where the results have gone the
last couple of years. We're all not happy where we are.
We're always looking to get better. But it's unfortunate that
we had to get to that decision. But you know
how to due respect, Simon's trivir coach.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
He had the energy, he had the fight.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
You know, we're constantly communicating about that, and we just
believe that the organization and the club needed a new
voice and a leader going forward.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I was disappointed, is no doubt about that. But I
certainly respect the boys decision. That's their right to make
that decision. I'm disappointed because I think we're a hell
of a lot closer to turning our club and team
back into a contender again than what people think.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Many people never thought Miss Day would play for.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
This is plus will be the best seven eight minutes
in the club's history. It's a grand new flank.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Can I just say, I just want to thank the supporters,
the coaches, the players, the wider football community for the
support you've given me over nine years.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's been a real ride.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I'm looking forward to the next challenge and just thank
you from the bottom of my heart all the support.
It's been urrific.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Som Goodwin's nine years at Melbourne have come to an
End's just ahead of the dissection and the ANALYSISCA. Let's
just take a moment to pause. He's an immense figure
at two footy clubs. He's a Hall of Famer at
Adelaide and he's one of four premiership coaches at the
oldest foota club at all. So perhaps maybe you your
best to speak about his legacy and maybe indulge us
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with your connection to him.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, I'm just saying this stuff in the background here.
I will ever connection with him forever. That's one of
the greatest days of my life from a football perspective,
and it's the club that I've loved for a long
long time and wondered at various stages whether we'd ever
get ourselves out of the Meyra and back to a
position where we could bring a premiership. And so Bert Chadwick,
Frank Checker, Hughes, Norm Smith and Simon Goodwin are the
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four men that have delivered a premiership to the oldest
football club in this game and that puts him in
rare air. He's a hero of this football club and
we'll be forever to day. And if Melbourne supporters haven't
taken a moment today to thank him for what he
and the players were able to do on this day,
then they should. And I know it hasn't ended in
the manner that they would like it, and we can
talk about the reasons why. But that's one of the
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greatest days ever. Fifty seven years in the making, that was.
And I'll tell you what. I've been here since nineteen
eighty four and there were times where I didn't know
whether our club was either going to exist, let alone
win a premiership again. So Simon Goodman delivered that and
he'll be here forever. And it hasn't finished in the
manner that he would have liked today, and we'll unpack
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that now.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And they built a great premiership, didn't they. There's one
in adverse circumstances away from home, and they did it
with a team that was great in its moments.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It was and those boys will be heroes forever. And
I was driving around today with the radio they switched
on like everyone was to the listening and this nonsense
about whether it's a real premiership. I mean, for any
Melbourne supporter saying that you're not a true Melbourne fan.
This was I know we'd all loved it to have
been at the MCG but have a look at that,
look at these scenes here that will live on forever.
And of course we all would have loved it to
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be more than one, but it wasn't. But jeez, I'm
thankful there was one.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Last night's decision. So it's a board that's through Brad
Green and it's presidence has expressed its desire for change.
They want a new voice, they want a new leader.
They clearly lost faith that Simon could and Woods be
able to turn this around, either in the short or
the medium term. And rather than it be about him
being the last premiership coach, they couldn't see him as
the next premiership coach. Did they make the case convincingly
(09:02):
for change?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Not today? But press conferences are difficult. I mean, there's
got Brad just kept getting asks and he kept saying, oh,
we need a new voice now. There's obviously got to
be great at nuance and the level of detail about
why love why the board, the Melbourne Footy Club board
have reached the decision that Simon Goodman is not to
go on, just sacked the premiership coach, and they want
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to have reasons more than just a new voice, which
I suspect there is in their own mind. So like Simon,
you respect the decision. It's a tough decision that wouldn't
be easy for Brad Greens, a former captain of this
football club as well, to sack a premiership. Is it
a justifiable decision? Yeah, I think they can justify it
in their own mind. I don't. I didn't necessarily agree
with it, but I'm not railing and slamming the desk
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and saying this is He's been there nine years, he's
had a good run at it, He's delivered the ultimate.
I would hope and hope that he coached the year
out and they may have arrived at the Luke Beverage
situation where we say, look now let's find out, let's
put hard for this next year and don't extend you,
but let's coach for your life. But it's not to be.
And Simon was class I thought he was a classy performer.
(10:07):
Today it was almost as good as he's performed. He's
never been a natural media performer, which has been I
think a bit of the problem for Melbourne fans that
hasn't got natural charisma. I feel like he is in
private and there was a hint of that today humor
and a bit of self deprecation, and there is absolutely
no question those players love him and there's absolutely no
question in my mind that he has been coaching not
(10:28):
to save his job. He's been coaching to set the
club up again to have another tilt at it. But
there's been some wrinkles in along the way, and too many,
it would appear for the board, and that's the prerogative.
This is where you hope that you've got a great board, Jared.
This is when in football Clayer and as a supporter.
I don't know whether you get involved with the election
of boards these days it's a bit different, but Jeu,
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you hope you've got a good board who make good decisions.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So there's the two years of straight set exits and
then there's two years of decline. It will get to
the complexities around this year in a tier, but how
much do you think the sameness around them way Melbourne
would lose strategically, which you've identified, and it's driven people mad.
How much of that the lack of connection to the forward, Yes,
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part of the ground plays a role, do you.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Think I think that that has been a contributing fact
that I don't know whether it's because I think that
started to evolve in recent times. And I could throw
out all sorts of numbers to you to say that
they have been connecting a bit better recently, But it
was the sameness for a long time, and that was
a frustration for him, he said here, we asked him
about it. But it's sort of greater than that. I
think it's a football club that's confused at the moment
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exactly where they are, and it's a football club that's disconnected.
I don't think there's any doubt about that. It has
been for a long time. So then you go to
support mechanisms for your coaching structure. And it was pertinent
that he mentioned it four or five times today. You
must have a strong, stable off field support mechanism, and
I doubt whether he's felt that over the last couple
of years.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yes, And this is where this year's scenario plays a role.
This is a football club that's lived in avoid this
year it would have been a miracle if the coach
had been successful in these circumstances identifying the need for
change last year but not being able to execute change.
The next president is not in the job, and the
chief executive was appointed in eight pound doesn't start till September.
There's no elite program in the world that has those
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pillars absence and achieves success. So stability hasn't had stability
since Peter Jackson left, and there's no point denying that.
But alignment, So the alignment was clearly lost is from
the very first team he picked this year, which had
five debutantes. In anyway, Oh hello, he's not coaching for
the here and the now, and he's not coaching for
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his job. He's coaching for the shortest possible turnaround, knowing
that he's got two years to achieve that that you
don't get that disconnect if you're in constant contact with
the president and the chief executive who aren't in their positions.
I think I think it undermined his capacity to do
the job. But he knew needed to be done. And
(13:02):
when you know is when Brad Green says, well, this
board expects to be playing finals. Simon Goodwin didn't expect
to be playing finals this Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I think that's a really good point. And as a
coach when you're in this state of transition and in
his own mind, he may be looking at this club
and saying, I need to make serious change here. Who
am I selling that to Am? I selling that to
brad Am, I selling it to the interim. Do I
have to sell it to Guero when he comes in,
I have to sell to Stephen Smith? And now I've
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got to sell it to the playing group. And it
might have been to the stage where I think he
had arrived at the point where he understood that needed
to be substantial change. And then you go to the
playing group and say what is your motivation here? And
I think that's another part of what we discussed today.
This is a footy club who went to the top,
as we've seeing, and then I think have struggled with
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their reason for being as an individual in amongst the
team setting. What is the motivation for the of that
football club from the top down? No one questions Max
all the way down what underpins this footy club? But
we team first? Or are we individual that hopefully spills
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into the team. And I think that's fundamental to where
this disconnect comes. I think the board, since it looks
we should be better. We have him, him and him
and amongst these, and I think from a coaching point
of view, they go okay, well, they are individually outstanding,
but collectively they're not getting it done. So there needs
to be changed. Slowly moving some magnets, slowly doing a thing.
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I'm not sure whether they've embraced it. When they won
the premiership, they are the most selfless team in the
competition and it was trotted out everywhere. I don't think
they are now, and I'm not sure whether the board
over the journey has been particularly selfless as well.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So if the coach had come to the conclusion that
it was time to break up the senior call, where
would he have taken that He didn't know whether.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
He had the support of the board.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I suspect he knew that last Monday after that board meeting.
He's got a Footy director who's said closely aligned to it,
and it's hard to imagine that change doesn't come. As well,
he doesn't have a chief executive and the president's not
going to be there. So I think to run a
circumstance like that is to invite failure and then to
cast judgment on the man who didn't know he was
coaching for his life right now. You can only get
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that when there's a void, and Melbourne have lived in
a void.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That's screaming out for figurehead, a strong, strong, decisive leader
of this football club. Apart from the coach. It's screaming
out for it. Is it going to be Stephen Smith Paul? Where?
I don't know, but over the journey that has not
been there.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The biggest question that sits over them now is has
the dynasty been squandered for what might have been? So
twenty twenty one is magnificently won. They start twenty twenty
two to ten and zero and this every branch of
the footy club has to own this, from the board
who were involved in pitted battles with the former president
for far too long, to the administration who didn't face
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up to the flaws and the culture. They didn't address
the locker room, and then they denied what was happening
publicly for the players on all sorts of different fronts,
from the entract bust up to the players who weren't
diligent around their professional careers and the implications of that,
the unfortunate injury suffered by Christian Petrarca and the club's
terrible failing in dealing with him as a human being,
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let alone a player, and then the coaching setup which
wasn't able to rectify the one floor in their game.
So they finished top two, the top four the next
two years and go out in straight sets before the
decline sets in.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, the next year after the Grand final. That the
fundamental job is to put yourself in a position to
win the premiership, and they did that in the following
two years they won sixteen. They had sixteen win seasons
back to back and got themselves where they needed to be.
Failed badly, I would say. In twenty twenty two, lost
those two finals to Sydney in Brisbane and then put
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that aside and had another good twenty twenty three lost
to Colling by seven points, and then the two lost
to Carlton. Really disappointing, but you know, the straight sets
sort of infers that they just fumbled it away. They didn't.
They put themselves right there again and fell short, and
that can be a failing if you consider that the
talent on the list was better than that, But that's
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what happens, and it's hard to back up as we're
seeing in recent times. The last two years have been
enormously disappointing and all the things you talked about off
field and the unsettled nature of it all are reasons.
But Simon would also have to own and the coaching
group own the other aspects of that, because the discipline
and maybe your loyalty to the group that took you
to the premiership is so strong that perhaps in another
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world you would have come down harder on them. But yeah,
I think there'd be a lot of people that would
suggest they did make the most of the list. There's
no problem, there's no issue about.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That, and so how much of that sets with the club?
So every level of it, as judgment has cast today,
all those pillars are eventually going to change for the
new start. Is how much does the club that they
didn't get all that they might have out of the
year that they build.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So if they don't, then they'll wallow in the mediocrity
for another five or six years, you know. So the
best teams are the honest teams, and the honesty starts
at the top. Did we get that right from the
board honesty sessions, they're down to the coaching group and
then to the playing group and look at yourselves and
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just say, how how much time have we invested in
the last two to three years or since we won
that premiership in getting back to what made us great?
Or how much do we then go and splinter and
worry about ourselves individually?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So what to do next? And this is specific to
the team contention or rebuild. So to listen to Brad
Green today, they hold a view, whether they sure they shouldn't,
whether they're equiped to a form that view or not.
Is they believe that they should be playing finals and
there's not many who agree with them on that front.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, So Brad says to this caple playing finals good
when all year has said this is a team him
in transition and that it may take time, and in
his mind he thought he had next year. And so
if you're going to go to the market the foot
of your group, yeah, I think most of the free
would agree. Is that the game has evolved in Melbourne
had been relatively stagnant. So you're preparing for a life
that doesn't necessarily revolve around Oliver Petrarca a viney and
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that might be Linford, Langford and Windsor that is so
then the club have got to buy into that. So
then you go, okay, well that's going to take a
bit more time. That's not You know that transition means
that finals are at absolute best, not absolutely given. So
then you go to the coaching group and if you're
selling the wrong message to a coach, the smart coach
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is saying, well, why would I go to that group
where the expectation is so out of Lineman, where the
list is at, and so all those decisions have got
to be made. I think they're in transition and flux
and they are changing and they do want to change
what's been driving them for a long time. And that
means you probably go back a bit and you're going
to hang around. But if you draft well and you
continue to invest in wind Langford and Lindsay, then they're
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hoping they get that right.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
If Max has got two years left, could they contend
again while he's there?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
In your mind, everything would have to go absolutely right.
You know that you're banking on Oliver getting back to
his very best and Petrarca getting back to his best
but you're also banking back, you're banking may and leave
and all that leadership group to just have some humility
about what where they've been except what is there and
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then get back to work. And I think that's a
question that needs asking and only they can answer that.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It's a big decision. It makes me wonder who's making it.
Are you holding the core of it together or are
you breaking it up? Are you imposing it on a
new coach or you're asking a new coach to come
in and make those decisions? What do they need in
a new coach?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, I don't think you rule anything in or out.
I know it's a wishy washy answered, but no one
can sit here and say they need a fresh coach
who's never coached before, who's going to come in, Or
they need a premiership coach been to the well. All
of those would be on the table. And I don't
think you know if you if you're really in or out,
you miss out on Fagan, you miss out on the
first year McCrae, or you miss out on someone having
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a second go at it. So it's a tough one.
It's a really hard one. And so then you've got
to have faith in the club to choose choose wisely,
and there's no guarantee Jared. That's that's the tricky part.
You're going to get your CEO with his feet under
the desk. Yep.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, So Will Faulkner has written a piece for Fox
Sports tonight. He says John Longmire is the top of
Melbourne's list. That there's an inescapable logic to that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Isn't that there is? You can What I'm not involved
in is selling these things to supporters and sponsors, Jared.
You just want the best man. Fortunately, you can sell horse.
You can sell horse to anyone. We'll be here tomorrow night. Yeah,
and you'll know that the questions coming. So if he's
got any inkling at all, then I would imagine the
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call will be made if it hasn't already.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So the spectrum is quite interesting. Do you hunt one
or do you take it to the process. And so
you've got Cam Bruce who's sitting there at the Brisbane
lines with a wealth of experience and his heart belongs
to Melbourne from a former days. Do you want Yeah,
it's the whole spectrum. Or are you going we're gonna
get him?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You've been involved in the media for a long time. Jude,
I get you, and I get five others from different
medias and say let's let's pick a name. Then you
can have him at the front of the queue boy
Thursday Night, with no justification at all. It's just who
who you want to make the flavor of the month,
John Lomoy, don't have to worry about that. No, he's
got runs on the board.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Tonight's list is never right unless the club chooses to
go and target one person rather than which is the
experience with Damian Huntwick.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yes, so then you say, Okay, maybe that's the reason
they went early, because they want to shop early, because
they maybe have some money in mine. I didn't know
he's get in sack, so I sure as hell don't
know the answer to that. Cathartic cleansed all right.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
The other big story of the day is Travis spokes
for atirement ad Port Adelaide, which is historically significant number
seven on the all time list, behind only the four
hundred game. As Marcus Continpelli is an unabashed fan, He's
with us on Players Night, Trap joins us from Adelaide,
contemplating his last few games.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So
Melbourne's sacks premiership coach Simon Goodwin. The swift end triggered
by a board declaring its desire for change. How did
the Demons lose faith in the man who ended the
fifty seven year droughts? And what is the plan going forwards?
Club greats and Hall of Famer Gary Lyon with the
full fallouts.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And Travis Burke calls time on his storied career. An
all time great of Port Adelaide joins us ahead of
the final games of his nineteen year journey. We've talked
about is this step into it, embrace all of it
in the room and eat it. It's unedifying for a
senior coach to do that. They're on the side of
Courtia with the brain, take the man on.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and Andrew said, president left the
cup of Older.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Said, of course they do. It is the stuff that
legends are made of. What is holding the ball? I
don't think I could answer it clearly right now that
I could do something.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get and the
board sacks the fans lover and with no fairs, no
through sixty your hope.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
There is a sense of shell shock that accommodates to
day like today, Gary Lyon, I'm sure there's members of
the Demon's community huddled around to listen, to try to
process how they feel about all of this.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So welcome you say as part of the therapy to
get through it. It's a macarb day. It is when
a coach gets sacked, but it puts in place a
whole manner of subsequent steps. So as hard as it is,
there's things that need to be discussed and thrashed out,
and we'll do it today. It's a big news day.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
How have you dealt with your shock? Incidentally, because you're
on air when it landed.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I was shocked. It was a tendon I and I
got the phone call and then the movement and no,
that was a big shock because I had no heads
up at all, which is fine, but that's what generally
happens in footy unless you're a newsbreaker and you're chasing
the story. I was never chasing the story without Simon
being sacked, so that was a shock for me.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's the biggest news day on the year. Simon Goodwin departs.
The sleeper story has been locking. Neil revealed until the
final series with a quad tear. Travis Pokes announced his retirement,
which is historically significant. Ray Chamblin's coming out of retirements.
Did anybody actually ask him? What did he volunteer? And
the Lockey Neil story so torn.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Cord, Yeah, on any other day, this is the lead
story and we dedicate time to it. I've had a
torn quad. It's a six to eight week injury if
you do it badly. I don't know. I mean Locke
played the game out is my memory. He was at
the end, so I don't know whether he's subsequently done
it or it was something that emerged. But they're nasty
injuries because everything you do goes through your quads, and
(02:33):
particularly from a kicking point of view. So that's that's
a huge injury.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's a tight timeline and the Lions, as we were
talking with Chris Fagan last night, nothing is locked in
so they have to be winning through as well.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That is a big injury for he's a pivotal part
of what they do.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
All right, So here's all we've got lined up. All
the fallout from the Simon Goodwin sacking, Travis Boke and
Marcus Bontonpelli who's a great admirer of the port Adelaide Stallwards.
So they're going to be together for Players night, Ray
Chamberlain to run us through in the back and a
little bit more and then following us the deep dive
into all that's transpired behind the scenes Lauren Wood, Corbin
Middlemiss and John Relph and then tomorrow night, so of
(03:09):
our favorite pairent who are in the news now, John
longmarro and Adam Simpson, and Simon is scheduled for his
fortnightly appearance here on three point sixty. We'll have the
teams for Hawthorne and Collingwood's which has got an awful.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Lot riding on it.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But let's get into the agenda and it does belong
at Melbourne today after the board took the dramatic step
to sack coach Simon Goodwin four years on from the
premiership glory.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You know, we spent a lot of time blocking out
the noise, but it is suffocating. It comes into your
life and your human life, even when you don't want
it to. You know, we're human beings and as much
as you try and shy away from the things are
going to be harmful to you through that period. He
(03:57):
can't help. But not when you start getting messages from
your mates and your family members how you're holding up,
how you're going, it seeps in. The best way to
keep your job is to keep doing your job for
the best of your ability and coach your way out
and have an enormous belief in what you're going after,
what your value are, your personal values, and keep going
after it even when you're under the ultimate pressure.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Did you have any days where you've thought, well, if
I'm not going to be supported like this, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think there's no doubt you have.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You have doubts at times about your role within it,
whether you're the right person to continue to do the
job that you love doing and that you've been in
charge of for seven or eight years, and when it
is that heavy, you have doubts about the love of
doing the job. I do love this job, I do
love this footy club. I love the people and I
(04:48):
love everyone involved. And as I said, the darkest times
can be your biggest growth.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
And as at as you have taken Melbourne's leaders under
the blow torch, all weaken Over spawned in the first
possible fashion the Day, we celebrate their biggest winner this season.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Simon's been here for nine years.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Simon wouldn't be happy where the results have gone the
last couple of years. We're all not happy where we are.
We're always looking to get better. But it's unfortunate that
we had to get to that decision. But you know
how to due respect, Simon's trivir coach.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
He had the energy, he had the fight.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
You know, we're constantly communicating about that, and we just
believe that the organization and the club needed a new
voice and a leader going forward.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I was disappointed, is no doubt about that. But I
certainly respect the boys decision. That's their right to make
that decision. I'm disappointed because I think we're a hell
of a lot closer to turning our club and team
back into a contender again than what people think.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Many people never thought Miss Day would play for.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
This is plus will be the best seven eight minutes
in the club's history. It's a grand new flank.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Can I just say, I just want to thank the supporters,
the coaches, the players, the wider football community for the
support you've given me over nine years.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's been a real ride.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I'm looking forward to the next challenge and just thank
you from the bottom of my heart all the support.
It's been urrific.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Som Goodwin's nine years at Melbourne have come to an
End's just ahead of the dissection and the ANALYSISCA. Let's
just take a moment to pause. He's an immense figure
at two footy clubs. He's a Hall of Famer at
Adelaide and he's one of four premiership coaches at the
oldest foota club at all. So perhaps maybe you your
best to speak about his legacy and maybe indulge us
(06:58):
with your connection to him.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, I'm just saying this stuff in the background here.
I will ever connection with him forever. That's one of
the greatest days of my life from a football perspective,
and it's the club that I've loved for a long
long time and wondered at various stages whether we'd ever
get ourselves out of the Meyra and back to a
position where we could bring a premiership. And so Bert Chadwick,
Frank Checker, Hughes, Norm Smith and Simon Goodwin are the
(07:20):
four men that have delivered a premiership to the oldest
football club in this game and that puts him in
rare air. He's a hero of this football club and
we'll be forever to day. And if Melbourne supporters haven't
taken a moment today to thank him for what he
and the players were able to do on this day,
then they should. And I know it hasn't ended in
the manner that they would like it, and we can
talk about the reasons why. But that's one of the
(07:42):
greatest days ever. Fifty seven years in the making, that was.
And I'll tell you what. I've been here since nineteen
eighty four and there were times where I didn't know
whether our club was either going to exist, let alone
win a premiership again. So Simon Goodman delivered that and
he'll be here forever. And it hasn't finished in the
manner that he would have liked today, and we'll unpack
(08:03):
that now.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And they built a great premiership, didn't they. There's one
in adverse circumstances away from home, and they did it
with a team that was great in its moments.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It was and those boys will be heroes forever. And
I was driving around today with the radio they switched
on like everyone was to the listening and this nonsense
about whether it's a real premiership. I mean, for any
Melbourne supporter saying that you're not a true Melbourne fan.
This was I know we'd all loved it to have
been at the MCG but have a look at that,
look at these scenes here that will live on forever.
And of course we all would have loved it to
(08:36):
be more than one, but it wasn't. But jeez, I'm
thankful there was one.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Last night's decision. So it's a board that's through Brad
Green and it's presidence has expressed its desire for change.
They want a new voice, they want a new leader.
They clearly lost faith that Simon could and Woods be
able to turn this around, either in the short or
the medium term. And rather than it be about him
being the last premiership coach, they couldn't see him as
the next premiership coach. Did they make the case convincingly
(09:02):
for change?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Not today? But press conferences are difficult. I mean, there's
got Brad just kept getting asks and he kept saying, oh,
we need a new voice now. There's obviously got to
be great at nuance and the level of detail about
why love why the board, the Melbourne Footy Club board
have reached the decision that Simon Goodman is not to
go on, just sacked the premiership coach, and they want
(09:25):
to have reasons more than just a new voice, which
I suspect there is in their own mind. So like Simon,
you respect the decision. It's a tough decision that wouldn't
be easy for Brad Greens, a former captain of this
football club as well, to sack a premiership. Is it
a justifiable decision? Yeah, I think they can justify it
in their own mind. I don't. I didn't necessarily agree
with it, but I'm not railing and slamming the desk
(09:47):
and saying this is He's been there nine years, he's
had a good run at it, He's delivered the ultimate.
I would hope and hope that he coached the year
out and they may have arrived at the Luke Beverage
situation where we say, look now let's find out, let's
put hard for this next year and don't extend you,
but let's coach for your life. But it's not to be.
And Simon was class I thought he was a classy performer.
(10:07):
Today it was almost as good as he's performed. He's
never been a natural media performer, which has been I
think a bit of the problem for Melbourne fans that
hasn't got natural charisma. I feel like he is in
private and there was a hint of that today humor
and a bit of self deprecation, and there is absolutely
no question those players love him and there's absolutely no
question in my mind that he has been coaching not
(10:28):
to save his job. He's been coaching to set the
club up again to have another tilt at it. But
there's been some wrinkles in along the way, and too many,
it would appear for the board, and that's the prerogative.
This is where you hope that you've got a great board, Jared.
This is when in football Clayer and as a supporter.
I don't know whether you get involved with the election
of boards these days it's a bit different, but Jeu,
(10:50):
you hope you've got a good board who make good decisions.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So there's the two years of straight set exits and
then there's two years of decline. It will get to
the complexities around this year in a tier, but how
much do you think the sameness around them way Melbourne
would lose strategically, which you've identified, and it's driven people mad.
How much of that the lack of connection to the forward, Yes,
(11:14):
part of the ground plays a role, do you.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Think I think that that has been a contributing fact
that I don't know whether it's because I think that
started to evolve in recent times. And I could throw
out all sorts of numbers to you to say that
they have been connecting a bit better recently, But it
was the sameness for a long time, and that was
a frustration for him, he said here, we asked him
about it. But it's sort of greater than that. I
think it's a football club that's confused at the moment
(11:39):
exactly where they are, and it's a football club that's disconnected.
I don't think there's any doubt about that. It has
been for a long time. So then you go to
support mechanisms for your coaching structure. And it was pertinent
that he mentioned it four or five times today. You
must have a strong, stable off field support mechanism, and
I doubt whether he's felt that over the last couple
of years.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yes, And this is where this year's scenario plays a role.
This is a football club that's lived in avoid this
year it would have been a miracle if the coach
had been successful in these circumstances identifying the need for
change last year but not being able to execute change.
The next president is not in the job, and the
chief executive was appointed in eight pound doesn't start till September.
There's no elite program in the world that has those
(12:21):
pillars absence and achieves success. So stability hasn't had stability
since Peter Jackson left, and there's no point denying that.
But alignment, So the alignment was clearly lost is from
the very first team he picked this year, which had
five debutantes. In anyway, Oh hello, he's not coaching for
the here and the now, and he's not coaching for
(12:41):
his job. He's coaching for the shortest possible turnaround, knowing
that he's got two years to achieve that that you
don't get that disconnect if you're in constant contact with
the president and the chief executive who aren't in their positions.
I think I think it undermined his capacity to do
the job. But he knew needed to be done. And
(13:02):
when you know is when Brad Green says, well, this
board expects to be playing finals. Simon Goodwin didn't expect
to be playing finals this Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I think that's a really good point. And as a
coach when you're in this state of transition and in
his own mind, he may be looking at this club
and saying, I need to make serious change here. Who
am I selling that to Am? I selling that to
brad Am, I selling it to the interim. Do I
have to sell it to Guero when he comes in,
I have to sell to Stephen Smith? And now I've
(13:32):
got to sell it to the playing group. And it
might have been to the stage where I think he
had arrived at the point where he understood that needed
to be substantial change. And then you go to the
playing group and say what is your motivation here? And
I think that's another part of what we discussed today.
This is a footy club who went to the top,
as we've seeing, and then I think have struggled with
(13:53):
their reason for being as an individual in amongst the
team setting. What is the motivation for the of that
football club from the top down? No one questions Max
all the way down what underpins this footy club? But
we team first? Or are we individual that hopefully spills
(14:14):
into the team. And I think that's fundamental to where
this disconnect comes. I think the board, since it looks
we should be better. We have him, him and him
and amongst these, and I think from a coaching point
of view, they go okay, well, they are individually outstanding,
but collectively they're not getting it done. So there needs
to be changed. Slowly moving some magnets, slowly doing a thing.
(14:36):
I'm not sure whether they've embraced it. When they won
the premiership, they are the most selfless team in the
competition and it was trotted out everywhere. I don't think
they are now, and I'm not sure whether the board
over the journey has been particularly selfless as well.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So if the coach had come to the conclusion that
it was time to break up the senior call, where
would he have taken that He didn't know whether.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
He had the support of the board.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I suspect he knew that last Monday after that board meeting.
He's got a Footy director who's said closely aligned to it,
and it's hard to imagine that change doesn't come. As well,
he doesn't have a chief executive and the president's not
going to be there. So I think to run a
circumstance like that is to invite failure and then to
cast judgment on the man who didn't know he was
coaching for his life right now. You can only get
(15:21):
that when there's a void, and Melbourne have lived in
a void.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That's screaming out for figurehead, a strong, strong, decisive leader
of this football club. Apart from the coach. It's screaming
out for it. Is it going to be Stephen Smith Paul? Where?
I don't know, but over the journey that has not
been there.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The biggest question that sits over them now is has
the dynasty been squandered for what might have been? So
twenty twenty one is magnificently won. They start twenty twenty
two to ten and zero and this every branch of
the footy club has to own this, from the board
who were involved in pitted battles with the former president
for far too long, to the administration who didn't face
(16:00):
up to the flaws and the culture. They didn't address
the locker room, and then they denied what was happening
publicly for the players on all sorts of different fronts,
from the entract bust up to the players who weren't
diligent around their professional careers and the implications of that,
the unfortunate injury suffered by Christian Petrarca and the club's
terrible failing in dealing with him as a human being,
(16:22):
let alone a player, and then the coaching setup which
wasn't able to rectify the one floor in their game.
So they finished top two, the top four the next
two years and go out in straight sets before the
decline sets in.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, the next year after the Grand final. That the
fundamental job is to put yourself in a position to
win the premiership, and they did that in the following
two years they won sixteen. They had sixteen win seasons
back to back and got themselves where they needed to be.
Failed badly, I would say. In twenty twenty two, lost
those two finals to Sydney in Brisbane and then put
(16:55):
that aside and had another good twenty twenty three lost
to Colling by seven points, and then the two lost
to Carlton. Really disappointing, but you know, the straight sets
sort of infers that they just fumbled it away. They didn't.
They put themselves right there again and fell short, and
that can be a failing if you consider that the
talent on the list was better than that, But that's
(17:16):
what happens, and it's hard to back up as we're
seeing in recent times. The last two years have been
enormously disappointing and all the things you talked about off
field and the unsettled nature of it all are reasons.
But Simon would also have to own and the coaching
group own the other aspects of that, because the discipline
and maybe your loyalty to the group that took you
to the premiership is so strong that perhaps in another
(17:38):
world you would have come down harder on them. But yeah,
I think there'd be a lot of people that would
suggest they did make the most of the list. There's
no problem, there's no issue about.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That, and so how much of that sets with the club?
So every level of it, as judgment has cast today,
all those pillars are eventually going to change for the
new start. Is how much does the club that they
didn't get all that they might have out of the
year that they build.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So if they don't, then they'll wallow in the mediocrity
for another five or six years, you know. So the
best teams are the honest teams, and the honesty starts
at the top. Did we get that right from the
board honesty sessions, they're down to the coaching group and
then to the playing group and look at yourselves and
(18:23):
just say, how how much time have we invested in
the last two to three years or since we won
that premiership in getting back to what made us great?
Or how much do we then go and splinter and
worry about ourselves individually?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So what to do next? And this is specific to
the team contention or rebuild. So to listen to Brad
Green today, they hold a view, whether they sure they shouldn't,
whether they're equiped to a form that view or not.
Is they believe that they should be playing finals and
there's not many who agree with them on that front.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, So Brad says to this caple playing finals good
when all year has said this is a team him
in transition and that it may take time, and in
his mind he thought he had next year. And so
if you're going to go to the market the foot
of your group, yeah, I think most of the free
would agree. Is that the game has evolved in Melbourne
had been relatively stagnant. So you're preparing for a life
that doesn't necessarily revolve around Oliver Petrarca a viney and
(19:19):
that might be Linford, Langford and Windsor that is so
then the club have got to buy into that. So
then you go, okay, well that's going to take a
bit more time. That's not You know that transition means
that finals are at absolute best, not absolutely given. So
then you go to the coaching group and if you're
selling the wrong message to a coach, the smart coach
(19:40):
is saying, well, why would I go to that group
where the expectation is so out of Lineman, where the
list is at, and so all those decisions have got
to be made. I think they're in transition and flux
and they are changing and they do want to change
what's been driving them for a long time. And that
means you probably go back a bit and you're going
to hang around. But if you draft well and you
continue to invest in wind Langford and Lindsay, then they're
(20:02):
hoping they get that right.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
If Max has got two years left, could they contend
again while he's there?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
In your mind, everything would have to go absolutely right.
You know that you're banking on Oliver getting back to
his very best and Petrarca getting back to his best
but you're also banking back, you're banking may and leave
and all that leadership group to just have some humility
about what where they've been except what is there and
(20:30):
then get back to work. And I think that's a
question that needs asking and only they can answer that.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It's a big decision. It makes me wonder who's making it.
Are you holding the core of it together or are
you breaking it up? Are you imposing it on a
new coach or you're asking a new coach to come
in and make those decisions? What do they need in
a new coach?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, I don't think you rule anything in or out.
I know it's a wishy washy answered, but no one
can sit here and say they need a fresh coach
who's never coached before, who's going to come in, Or
they need a premiership coach been to the well. All
of those would be on the table. And I don't
think you know if you if you're really in or out,
you miss out on Fagan, you miss out on the
first year McCrae, or you miss out on someone having
(21:10):
a second go at it. So it's a tough one.
It's a really hard one. And so then you've got
to have faith in the club to choose choose wisely,
and there's no guarantee Jared. That's that's the tricky part.
You're going to get your CEO with his feet under
the desk. Yep.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, So Will Faulkner has written a piece for Fox
Sports tonight. He says John Longmire is the top of
Melbourne's list. That there's an inescapable logic to that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Isn't that there is? You can What I'm not involved
in is selling these things to supporters and sponsors, Jared.
You just want the best man. Fortunately, you can sell horse.
You can sell horse to anyone. We'll be here tomorrow night. Yeah,
and you'll know that the questions coming. So if he's
got any inkling at all, then I would imagine the
(21:56):
call will be made if it hasn't already.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So the spectrum is quite interesting. Do you hunt one
or do you take it to the process. And so
you've got Cam Bruce who's sitting there at the Brisbane
lines with a wealth of experience and his heart belongs
to Melbourne from a former days. Do you want Yeah,
it's the whole spectrum. Or are you going we're gonna
get him?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You've been involved in the media for a long time. Jude,
I get you, and I get five others from different
medias and say let's let's pick a name. Then you
can have him at the front of the queue boy
Thursday Night, with no justification at all. It's just who
who you want to make the flavor of the month,
John Lomoy, don't have to worry about that. No, he's
got runs on the board.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Tonight's list is never right unless the club chooses to
go and target one person rather than which is the
experience with Damian Huntwick.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yes, so then you say, Okay, maybe that's the reason
they went early, because they want to shop early, because
they maybe have some money in mine. I didn't know
he's get in sack, so I sure as hell don't
know the answer to that. Cathartic cleansed all right.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
The other big story of the day is Travis spokes
for atirement ad Port Adelaide, which is historically significant number
seven on the all time list, behind only the four
hundred game. As Marcus Continpelli is an unabashed fan, He's
with us on Players Night, Trap joins us from Adelaide,
contemplating his last few games.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
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