Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Tuesday the 19th of August with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for a huge edition of AFL 360, discussing Adelaide Crows’ Izak Rankine as the AFL investigation into the superstar continues. They then discuss the bump cases of Gold Coast Suns’ Alex Davies and Port Adelaide Power veteran Ollie Wines as they face the tribunal this evening. Finally, they talk about Port Adelaide Power’s coach Ken Hinkley as he prepares for his final game in charge this weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Isaac Rankins's face hangs in the balance. No verdict gets
as community debate intensifies and the footy world ponders appropriate penalty.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The end of the road approaches for ken Hinckley in
a succession plan that seems.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
To have worn everyone down at Port Adelaide.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
And our players nursing their injuries.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Zach Merritt has his heart set on Thursday night and
locking Neil will hold until finals.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We've talked about step into it, debrace all.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Of it in the room and pat it.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
The man on.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and injury said president left.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
The couple older said, of course they do. It is
the stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I can do something wrong, you know, And I
need to get and the board Sacksy the fans lover
and with no fans, no through sixty year old.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
We're riding the wave of your Farrier Gays.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We've got our naz merchandise its arrived.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hit us on it. This is this is what happens.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
This is how quickly you turn it around. Jared.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Last three days ago the joint was going to get
burned on the ground. Now the T shirts are out
and the seven dollar membership for seven days sold five thousand.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
About eight o'clock, Small crashed the system. It's so good.
I'm so happy for.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's like when Chris Grant resigned the Bulldogs all those
years ago, and that was twenty cents.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
This is two million dollars. But it's still a.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Saw story just to wrap around it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
But it is.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And today we know you were on radio. We hear
it all and you hear the excitement and the voice.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
It was outstanding, outstanding. This is all we have lined
up for tonight. It is players night.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We've got the Isaac Rankin latest locking, Neeland Zach Merritt
join us. Ray Chamberlain has been hard at work on
the events of Saturday night, where there were contentious moments
of plenty of David Zita's sitting through the tribunal, a
bit of real overreaction based on Adelaide's succession plan, and
then once we get to midweek, tackle. Lauren Wood has
the exclusive tonight she has spoken with Jamara Yugulahagen about
(02:08):
the shooting at Love Machine. So he has proximity to this.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Close proximity to Lauren. This is a must reader.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It is so she will tell you about that for
all club I woulde John Ralph Corbyn Middlemis as well.
And then tomorrow our favorite pairing John Longmeyer and Adam
Simpson danes Orco is going to join us ahead of
game three hundred and Libby Birch we told her she's
entered the author markets. Give me your Tuesday favorite to
get us underway.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm going to Shannon Neil, the big boy from Geelong
and he's a big boy, Jared, let me tell you this.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
He is as good a kick for goal as you
would hope for.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
In the game today in my humble opinion. And Jeremy
didn't get anything done in that game. It didn't matter
because he just steps up. So you just you can't
ignore him going forward and clubs.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Don't look at that.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He's a pure striker of the ball sawing down gm
HbA in the flesh the other day is at and
getting better and better and better. So they've got a
beauty there and he's going to have it. Could be
the breakout September star.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Ooh, nic, I've got Chloe malloy, great friend of the program,
great friend of ours here at Fox. She returned from
her knee reconstruction twelve months off the scene in the
first round of.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
AFLW and she kicked four goals.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That was such an uplifting moment to start knowing all
that she will have been through to get back, and
then she re established her excellence. She is one of
the stars of this competition. She's one of the household names.
It was poor last year without her and we were
instantly richer for her re arrival.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And what a great relief too, when you're coming back
from an acl just to remind yourself that, yeah, that's
still there, and remind the rest of the footy wheel
by the way, but you've got to convince yourself and
she's done that.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So well done to Chloe. It's great.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
All right, let's get into the agenda. At the top
of it, the state and proceedings. No word yet on
the AFL Integrity Unit's investigation into the racial slur used
by Isaac rankin submissions and legal argument behind the scenes,
one imagines the Crows await the finals fates.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I can't say the players haven't been wurned about it.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
I've got no sympathy for him to be for him,
ranking would be beside himself, beside himself.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
This has been the scourge of the competition for a
year and a half now of the competition.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
It's going to cost his team, and it's going to
cost his club, and it's going to cost him. This
one's going to really stink, really stink.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
This is not sympathy for Isaac. This is sympathy for
the Odelaid Footy Club. If it's not sympathy for Isaac.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
Do you know how Isaac's traveling at the moment, Because
I would have thought who will to pain?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Right now? He is. I spoke to him last night
on the phone and he's very remorseful and he understands
that he's made a mistake and he'll accept whatever comes
his way.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I'll use this opportunity again to go back to our
players and just say there's just there's no place for it,
a place for it. And the ramifications are unbelievably significant.
Speaker 8 (04:56):
We cannot say this, cannot say, but it's probably the
penalty to me that I have a little bit of
an issue with. I'm not sure what you guys think,
but it's a significant penalty.
Speaker 9 (05:05):
What's a fair penalty for things like this?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
As we know, to get four or five.
Speaker 9 (05:09):
Weeks for a physical indiscretion geez, you'd want to knock
someone in the next week to get five weeks. So
it's a big number of weeks in terms of the
you know, the on field suspensions. But whether we're big
fine and a few less weeks is a reasonable Is
it reasonable?
Speaker 8 (05:25):
We can have a player that the belts a guy
on the jaw and we'll get what maybe five weeks
sort of thing. And then we use a term which
once again I never I don't condone it the behavior.
It's a term that should never be used on the
football field. Me understand. But I think we painted ourselves
in a corner with regard to the penalty and the
length of penalty.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
To start.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The ramifications of the decision on what remains of this
season give you a little hint into the thoroughness of
the process taking place, and undoubtedly lawyers are involved. It's
a test of the AFL's resolve. Is this essentially is
one of Andrew Dillon's foundation planks of his time and
the job. Yes, he started this crackdown and gather around
last year and I would imagine in his mind he
(06:16):
would have thought the severity of the penalty would have.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Quashed the issue, but it hasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
We've had repeat offenses and now that it's all about
a Premiership favorite on the cusp of finals and a
star player, does the AFL have the resolve to follow through?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well up to now there's been no equivocation on it.
So it's been one of those few times in this
whole world of tribunal and cases where there seems to
be no riggal room save for the one game for
a self report. So we'll get into the issue in
a moment. What are adelaide trying to do here? So
there there we be no handing down of any verdict
today they've spoken to everyone. We've heard from his teammate
(06:53):
text Walker talking about how remorsel he is and I'd
imagine he's gone through a pretty difficult time right now.
What an Adelaide try to do here.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Because there's no hearing, it's it's a legal submission which
will go to so no self report, but contrition and
can they make a resolute case around contrition, the atmosphere
of the night and how Isaac Rankin found himself in
that position, what he was subjected to along the way
that saw him make that moment of misjudgment, and I
(07:22):
guess a plea for mercy as well, given where we
are in the season. So Adelaide would be derelict in
their duty if they didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Go the whole way to try.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Are they preparing this submission now?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think this would be with the AFL now, I
think they would have done that today.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Tell me this.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Do you think part of that would be along the
lines of yeah, Look, four or five weeks of the
home and away is equivalent to three of a final
series and a potential Grand Final and premiership.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I imagine they would try everything, but it doesn't there's
no precedent for it in our judicial system. Nobody has
ever been able to go to a tribunal and get
a reduction based on I have the other way.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Two games the other way.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The AFL have come back to us in years gone
by and said, these final series are so big that
you will get double.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Pen so in the Grand Final if you ruin the
spectacle and Alice the lynch.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
This was the ramifications for that.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If you ruin the spectacle of Grand Final Day, you'll
get hit with double. But it's never been countenance that
you can get less because the final is more significant
than game.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think that's a slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I would argue it, Okay, I would argue it strongly.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm not saying that I'll get through, but two big
finals compared to two.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Monday and home and aways.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I don't know how you provide the framework, but I
would imagine that's part of Adelaide's pitch here. This is
a If it's a full five week penalty, it's an
absolute extreme, man which it's fair enough. I'm not again
arguing for Isaac. I'm just trying to work out where
the Adlai crow.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Is are go.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So if I run that more basically to an on
field issue. So in an elimination final you ran through
with a shoulder and you've got three weeks for causing
a cussion, could you get that reduced in a final series?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
That's why you're the host, Jared, I think a good point.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Because that has even more significant ramifications on the player
that out that's true, where we are with the off field. So,
and this is where people are saying there's no framework.
There is is The AFL has a really clear framework
here that they have established through basically case law.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
It's five weeks and if you.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Are able to show self report and I don't know
what level of contrition the Jack Graham case was able
to demonstrate, but the self report clearly got him five
to four. So the starting point here is five.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So the Jack Graham was on the basis that he
self reported voluntarily and in the self report the contrition
component comes into it. Now Isaac didn't self report. The
contrition comes in the phone call to the player, all
of that. How much is that going to help him?
I'm not sure, but they'll mount the case. It was
interesting this morning we are at the cold face of
(10:00):
of immediate flint reaction from our football loving supporters through
talkback radio, and it is still mixed in terms of
the attitudes to this, to the extremity of a suspension
of four or five weeks for what many deem to
be it's just the word which I've gone past it
and got my head around where we need.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
To be at. But there's a lot of people out
there that don't Derek.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So the view put forward by Damien Hardwick and Lee
Matthews did have supporters reduced the number of weeks and
increase the fine. You can't do that within this season.
You might choose to reset in the aftermath. But I
think that misses how resolute the AFL is to rid
the game of this, and I suspect their disappointment that
they haven't been able to do so now, whether it's
(10:45):
naive or not, I think the level of penalty that
they chose, they would have believed that the players would
understand and modify their behavior, and it would be surprising
that they haven't.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
This is the racial villa for that we fought so
hard for as a code to try and be leaders.
And it's not to say we're going to get zero tolerance,
because we know every now and then it'll raise its head.
This is for me in the same category Jared.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
And you know.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And the education piece I came through with our indigenous
plays is you don't know unless you've lived it, and
you don't know unless you've lived this From a gay
person's point of view, that was some of this messy.
And I'm not being a pious and trying to lecture
anyone on this, but trying to get to some certain
level of understanding of the severity of people hearing that
word as opposed to those that are saying, oh, well,
(11:33):
you know, let's so mitigate that down to two weeks
and a big fine. I'm happy and comfortable with a
serious suspension for this until such time as we get
our head around the fact.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I do think there is that element. Whether you agree
with or or not, everyone had fair warning. Hasn't suddenly
no question about that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
You can't argue you don't know, I mean, because that's
been clearly pointed out. And if this is one of
the rocks of which Andrew Dillon wants to base his
whole tenure, and good on him. It's not great news
for Isaac. But if that's what he wants to do,
then I support and this.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It couldn't be a more powerful message if it does
land here five weeks and it takes a star out
of a premiership quest. Something that is maybe a little
more graspable is what happens at our tribunal. Ollie Wins
at the moment is going to miss Ken Hinckley and
Travis Boke's farewell game, and it's fair to say the
port coach.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Not wrapped with that.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
I'm a bit pissy with the AFL on that one,
to be honest. I'd like only to be there on
Friday night. Tuesday Night's not over yet, is it. Maybe
we can get in.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
There so they'll have this case heard shortly, all right?
I asked you to have a look at.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
This and just have they got any grounds to come from?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I can't see it, unfortunately for Kennan, for Ollie, he's
falling victim to a rule that will no longer.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Be here next year, and that is the three or none.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So he's made contact, he ends up can cast the
Alex bump. I think he's really I think that's worth
half a week Jared, right. I think he should be
made to sit on the bench for this half game
and come on, but do we know that's not going
to happen. It's three or none and that's a system
that Greg Swan will deal with. So in this time
next year, or if that incident happens next year.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
You go one at most or maybe fine. Yeah, Han's
tired right now.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
The bulk of the contact is to the body, but
that doesn't matter. Is there is some contact that it's
left him with concussion.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So unfortunately I don't think, well, I don't think he's
going to be there.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
But we've been wrong before.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
All Right, there is a case underway involving Alex Davies
from the Gold Coast Sons, which has ramifications for his
hopes of seeing finals action. David Zita is following this, David, welcome.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Hi, jaredhy Gary. How is this unfolded?
Speaker 10 (13:45):
Well, the tribunal is currently deliberating at the moment, just
ticked over forty five minutes, so hopefully we'll have a
verdict very soon for you. Alex Davies and the Gold
Coast Sons arguing that this was not rough conduct and
if it was, it was.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Low impact rather than medium.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
Alex Davies gave evidence and said that at this point
in time he thought he could receive a handble, he
eventually realized he couldn't and tried to get in between
Anglin and Noah Anderson. He says he was bracing for
impact rather than electing to bump. So it is that's
the free slope again that we are dealing with.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
What is a brace?
Speaker 10 (14:17):
What is a bump and what counts for what he said.
He'd leanked backwards and dropped to his knees to reduce
momentum and minimize the impact with Anglin as I said,
that mean deliberating for a bit now, hopefully we will
have a thirty for you soon.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
All right, we'll be back with you then, David, thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
The furnace so that that has burnt around Port Adelaide
all year might be smoldering outs, but the last day
of Ken Hinckley, along with Travis Bog is at hand.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yet met.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We know you're going to give the best that you've
got for these next two games.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
If you're on a.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Board in five years time, as somebody says, let's go
with a succession plan, honestly, what will you say the defense?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Have you got everything right?
Speaker 7 (14:56):
And we had everything right?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
He said round one? This is a disas. Yeah, they've
lived it every oh.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I think there we no.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
More relieve man next weekend than Ken Eckley. Glad it's you.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
I'm sick. I'm sick of the be honest, I'm sick
of the way. And it's been been a bit of
a bit of a battle to get to the end.
Speaker 9 (15:15):
He admitted how tiring and exhausting this year had been.
So he's done a great job, but ge emostly it's
been it's been really draining.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Sick of it all means that it's been a pretty
challenging year when it comes to lots of things and
every second question coming up about it. I find it.
I did find it. I find it a little unfair.
I wake up on Saturday morn. I'm not the coach
for Port Adelaide anymore. That's been a long time, so that'll
be interesting. But overall, I'm pretty relieved that this chapter
(15:45):
is coming to an end because I think it's absolutely
the right time for it to come to ann And
you know that's that's when you know it's okay. It
was almost perfect.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
One perfect. You've been here for long enough, he over long.
It's just something your field.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
You feel. Yeah, that's where you got to be mindful
of where am I useful here?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And that will be the balance.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
That will be the balance fighting through it for too
long versus versus keeping it, keeping it.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
But one more might have been okay to okay.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
I miss the place, you miss the footy club day
to day. I wake up every morning for thirteen years
and graving years. So I'll miss that and I've been lucky.
It's such a great job with what you do.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
You know, you turn up and.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Watch footy. You know it's not not all that bad.
There's some parts of it that are pretty pretty average.
But I've just missed being here. That's real good. Thank you,
thanks all.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It has served with great distinction for thirteen years at
Port Adelaide. That comes to a close on Friday night
against the Gold Coast. You foretold this on our very
first show together, gaz is how this would unfold, and
I reckon to a word that is what has happened,
real or overreaction. The succession plan has failed.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No question, it's failed, and this is our last time.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I'm reflecting because it's our job to reflect on this,
and then we celebrate a man who's done an outstanding job.
I think he's been a great advocate for the game.
Put Audelaide have been wonderful him. He's been wonderful them
right up until this last year. I think it's been
a monumental failure.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Jared.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You can only have when it's not the coach's idea.
You can only have one senior coach in the joint
at any one time.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
That is clear.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And if the put Adelaide people are looking back on
this and can come to a different conclusion, I'd love
to hear how they could get to it. So, this
great competitor, this great emotional warrior, has had the overseer
a year where they've had the worst every year for
points four and against worst every year for points from turnover.
These are the measurements that he would count contest a
possession which their.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Heart and soul says there wasn't quite in it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That's their worst ever under Ken Henckley, worst ever clearance.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Result, worst ever inside fifty.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So the board the question to you, with all of
this information in hand, do you think it's worked.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Do you think you've treated him with.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The sort of compassion that you should have treated a
man who's given you such great service by saying, look,
you're not coaching us beyond next year, but you're going
to stay for a year, and that bloke there going
to be the senior coach and you're going to look
over your Should he come that conclusion, good luck.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So one pope, one president, one coach.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
One coach, Jared at a time, that's what I'm thinking
for you, it's been really unfair on kid.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, that's real. It's been torturous.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I suspect, and Ken's too good a man for his
club and he's too loyal within his job to give
any more than just a hint of that. But there's
been a hint of it over the past four or
five days. I do think there are two commandments I
reckon when it comes to a club and their coach.
That shall not expose the coach to unnecessary scrutiny and
(18:36):
thou shalt not undermine the coach. And they breached the
second of those. They undermined him in February. I think
they didn't fully grasp and maybe they still don't. It'll
be interesting in hindsight. They replaced the coach.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
In February, they did.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I think they thought they were going to do the
right thing by everybody and see him off with it. No,
they replaced him in February. And once you do that,
replace him when.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You make a decision, make the decision. So you're not
our coach. What if I win the premiership, You're not
our coach. He's our coach. And you have a year
like you've had it ain't happening again. It's a cautionary tale.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I think Port must find the emotional trigger on Friday.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, Ken will. I'll guarantee you that.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So Ken will find it in him to get himself up,
because he's a very invested emotional coach.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And we've watched it and loved it, and sometimes we've
looked at it and thought maybe it's.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Gone too far, But in the most part it's held
him in great stead. So he will find the triggers
to pull emotionally and then we will all sit back
and watch to see whether these players can respond one
more time.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
No question, he'll do it with a hellishly undermanned team
by the lost of things.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Indeed, against a team playing for everything. For you, Ken
will be in demand.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yes, yeah, I suspect a whole lot of clubs could
see a role for KENNI hin clean would be enriched.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
By having him there.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
He is a coach to the studs of his boots,
So that is part of it as well, is how
do you fit him in his absolute core? And he's
done it for thirty straight years. He's done it from
small towns.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
To the big league. He is a coach to the
core of him.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Is he going to be a coach still?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I don't know the answer to Gatfield.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I think he will probably at some point get tempted
with it. I imagine the quicker jobs he will get offered
a higher up and guiding coaches, which might suit him
really well at a certain phase in his life. But
the inner coach in Ken will never be fully quelled.
So what will that end up leading to fron to watch?
(20:32):
I hope they, I hope they see him off in
grand style.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
People should know you should pack that joint out because
he's been there through the good and bad, and that
man there, he's playing his last game. So you've got
two of your modern day heroes. See them outing style.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, we fabric Knight for a footy club.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Our players are about to join us locking Neil on
the injured list at the moment with his eye saw
the first weekend of finals and Zach Merritz can he
get there for Thursday Nights with reconnut Chinese Selva
Isaac Rankins's face hangs in the balance. No verdict gets
as community debate intensifies and the footy world ponders appropriate penalty.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The end of the road approaches for ken Hinckley in
a succession plan that seems.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
To have worn everyone down at Port Adelaide.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
And our players nursing their injuries.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Zach Merritt has his heart set on Thursday night and
locking Neil will hold until finals.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We've talked about step into it, debrace all.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Of it in the room and pat it.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
The man on.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and injury said president left.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
The couple older said, of course they do. It is
the stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I can do something wrong, you know, And I
need to get and the board Sacksy the fans lover
and with no fans, no through sixty year old.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
We're riding the wave of your Farrier Gays.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We've got our naz merchandise its arrived.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hit us on it. This is this is what happens.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
This is how quickly you turn it around. Jared.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Last three days ago the joint was going to get
burned on the ground. Now the T shirts are out
and the seven dollar membership for seven days sold five thousand.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
About eight o'clock, Small crashed the system. It's so good.
I'm so happy for.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's like when Chris Grant resigned the Bulldogs all those
years ago, and that was twenty cents.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
This is two million dollars. But it's still a.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Saw story just to wrap around it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
But it is.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And today we know you were on radio. We hear
it all and you hear the excitement and the voice.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
It was outstanding, outstanding. This is all we have lined
up for tonight. It is players night.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We've got the Isaac Rankin latest locking, Neeland Zach Merritt
join us. Ray Chamberlain has been hard at work on
the events of Saturday night, where there were contentious moments
of plenty of David Zita's sitting through the tribunal, a
bit of real overreaction based on Adelaide's succession plan, and
then once we get to midweek, tackle. Lauren Wood has
the exclusive tonight she has spoken with Jamara Yugulahagen about
(02:08):
the shooting at Love Machine. So he has proximity to this.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Close proximity to Lauren. This is a must reader.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It is so she will tell you about that for
all club I woulde John Ralph Corbyn Middlemis as well.
And then tomorrow our favorite pairing John Longmeyer and Adam
Simpson danes Orco is going to join us ahead of
game three hundred and Libby Birch we told her she's
entered the author markets. Give me your Tuesday favorite to
get us underway.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm going to Shannon Neil, the big boy from Geelong
and he's a big boy, Jared, let me tell you this.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
He is as good a kick for goal as you
would hope for.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
In the game today in my humble opinion. And Jeremy
didn't get anything done in that game. It didn't matter
because he just steps up. So you just you can't
ignore him going forward and clubs.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Don't look at that.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He's a pure striker of the ball sawing down gm
HbA in the flesh the other day is at and
getting better and better and better. So they've got a
beauty there and he's going to have it. Could be
the breakout September star.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Ooh, nic, I've got Chloe malloy, great friend of the program,
great friend of ours here at Fox. She returned from
her knee reconstruction twelve months off the scene in the
first round of.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
AFLW and she kicked four goals.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That was such an uplifting moment to start knowing all
that she will have been through to get back, and
then she re established her excellence. She is one of
the stars of this competition. She's one of the household names.
It was poor last year without her and we were
instantly richer for her re arrival.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And what a great relief too, when you're coming back
from an acl just to remind yourself that, yeah, that's
still there, and remind the rest of the footy wheel
by the way, but you've got to convince yourself and
she's done that.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So well done to Chloe. It's great.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
All right, let's get into the agenda. At the top
of it, the state and proceedings. No word yet on
the AFL Integrity Unit's investigation into the racial slur used
by Isaac rankin submissions and legal argument behind the scenes,
one imagines the Crows await the finals fates.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I can't say the players haven't been wurned about it.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
I've got no sympathy for him to be for him,
ranking would be beside himself, beside himself.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
This has been the scourge of the competition for a
year and a half now of the competition.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
It's going to cost his team, and it's going to
cost his club, and it's going to cost him. This
one's going to really stink, really stink.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
This is not sympathy for Isaac. This is sympathy for
the Odelaid Footy Club. If it's not sympathy for Isaac.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
Do you know how Isaac's traveling at the moment, Because
I would have thought who will to pain?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Right now? He is. I spoke to him last night
on the phone and he's very remorseful and he understands
that he's made a mistake and he'll accept whatever comes
his way.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I'll use this opportunity again to go back to our
players and just say there's just there's no place for it,
a place for it. And the ramifications are unbelievably significant.
Speaker 8 (04:56):
We cannot say this, cannot say, but it's probably the
penalty to me that I have a little bit of
an issue with. I'm not sure what you guys think,
but it's a significant penalty.
Speaker 9 (05:05):
What's a fair penalty for things like this?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
As we know, to get four or five.
Speaker 9 (05:09):
Weeks for a physical indiscretion geez, you'd want to knock
someone in the next week to get five weeks. So
it's a big number of weeks in terms of the
you know, the on field suspensions. But whether we're big
fine and a few less weeks is a reasonable Is
it reasonable?
Speaker 8 (05:25):
We can have a player that the belts a guy
on the jaw and we'll get what maybe five weeks
sort of thing. And then we use a term which
once again I never I don't condone it the behavior.
It's a term that should never be used on the
football field. Me understand. But I think we painted ourselves
in a corner with regard to the penalty and the
length of penalty.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
To start.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The ramifications of the decision on what remains of this
season give you a little hint into the thoroughness of
the process taking place, and undoubtedly lawyers are involved. It's
a test of the AFL's resolve. Is this essentially is
one of Andrew Dillon's foundation planks of his time and
the job. Yes, he started this crackdown and gather around
last year and I would imagine in his mind he
(06:16):
would have thought the severity of the penalty would have.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Quashed the issue, but it hasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
We've had repeat offenses and now that it's all about
a Premiership favorite on the cusp of finals and a
star player, does the AFL have the resolve to follow through?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well up to now there's been no equivocation on it.
So it's been one of those few times in this
whole world of tribunal and cases where there seems to
be no riggal room save for the one game for
a self report. So we'll get into the issue in
a moment. What are adelaide trying to do here? So
there there we be no handing down of any verdict
today they've spoken to everyone. We've heard from his teammate
(06:53):
text Walker talking about how remorsel he is and I'd
imagine he's gone through a pretty difficult time right now.
What an Adelaide try to do here.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Because there's no hearing, it's it's a legal submission which
will go to so no self report, but contrition and
can they make a resolute case around contrition, the atmosphere
of the night and how Isaac Rankin found himself in
that position, what he was subjected to along the way
that saw him make that moment of misjudgment, and I
(07:22):
guess a plea for mercy as well, given where we
are in the season. So Adelaide would be derelict in
their duty if they didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Go the whole way to try.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Are they preparing this submission now?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think this would be with the AFL now, I
think they would have done that today.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Tell me this.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Do you think part of that would be along the
lines of yeah, Look, four or five weeks of the
home and away is equivalent to three of a final
series and a potential Grand Final and premiership.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I imagine they would try everything, but it doesn't there's
no precedent for it in our judicial system. Nobody has
ever been able to go to a tribunal and get
a reduction based on I have the other way.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Two games the other way.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The AFL have come back to us in years gone
by and said, these final series are so big that
you will get double.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Pen so in the Grand Final if you ruin the
spectacle and Alice the lynch.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
This was the ramifications for that.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If you ruin the spectacle of Grand Final Day, you'll
get hit with double. But it's never been countenance that
you can get less because the final is more significant
than game.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think that's a slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I would argue it, Okay, I would argue it strongly.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm not saying that I'll get through, but two big
finals compared to two.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Monday and home and aways.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I don't know how you provide the framework, but I
would imagine that's part of Adelaide's pitch here. This is
a If it's a full five week penalty, it's an
absolute extreme, man which it's fair enough. I'm not again
arguing for Isaac. I'm just trying to work out where
the Adlai crow.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Is are go.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So if I run that more basically to an on
field issue. So in an elimination final you ran through
with a shoulder and you've got three weeks for causing
a cussion, could you get that reduced in a final series?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
That's why you're the host, Jared, I think a good point.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Because that has even more significant ramifications on the player
that out that's true, where we are with the off field. So,
and this is where people are saying there's no framework.
There is is The AFL has a really clear framework
here that they have established through basically case law.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
It's five weeks and if you.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Are able to show self report and I don't know
what level of contrition the Jack Graham case was able
to demonstrate, but the self report clearly got him five
to four. So the starting point here is five.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So the Jack Graham was on the basis that he
self reported voluntarily and in the self report the contrition
component comes into it. Now Isaac didn't self report. The
contrition comes in the phone call to the player, all
of that. How much is that going to help him?
I'm not sure, but they'll mount the case. It was
interesting this morning we are at the cold face of
(10:00):
of immediate flint reaction from our football loving supporters through
talkback radio, and it is still mixed in terms of
the attitudes to this, to the extremity of a suspension
of four or five weeks for what many deem to
be it's just the word which I've gone past it
and got my head around where we need.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
To be at. But there's a lot of people out
there that don't Derek.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So the view put forward by Damien Hardwick and Lee
Matthews did have supporters reduced the number of weeks and
increase the fine. You can't do that within this season.
You might choose to reset in the aftermath. But I
think that misses how resolute the AFL is to rid
the game of this, and I suspect their disappointment that
they haven't been able to do so now, whether it's
(10:45):
naive or not, I think the level of penalty that
they chose, they would have believed that the players would
understand and modify their behavior, and it would be surprising
that they haven't.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
This is the racial villa for that we fought so
hard for as a code to try and be leaders.
And it's not to say we're going to get zero tolerance,
because we know every now and then it'll raise its head.
This is for me in the same category Jared.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
And you know.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And the education piece I came through with our indigenous
plays is you don't know unless you've lived it, and
you don't know unless you've lived this From a gay
person's point of view, that was some of this messy.
And I'm not being a pious and trying to lecture
anyone on this, but trying to get to some certain
level of understanding of the severity of people hearing that
word as opposed to those that are saying, oh, well,
(11:33):
you know, let's so mitigate that down to two weeks
and a big fine. I'm happy and comfortable with a
serious suspension for this until such time as we get
our head around the fact.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I do think there is that element. Whether you agree
with or or not, everyone had fair warning. Hasn't suddenly
no question about that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
You can't argue you don't know, I mean, because that's
been clearly pointed out. And if this is one of
the rocks of which Andrew Dillon wants to base his
whole tenure, and good on him. It's not great news
for Isaac. But if that's what he wants to do,
then I support and this.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It couldn't be a more powerful message if it does
land here five weeks and it takes a star out
of a premiership quest. Something that is maybe a little
more graspable is what happens at our tribunal. Ollie Wins
at the moment is going to miss Ken Hinckley and
Travis Boke's farewell game, and it's fair to say the
port coach.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Not wrapped with that.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
I'm a bit pissy with the AFL on that one,
to be honest. I'd like only to be there on
Friday night. Tuesday Night's not over yet, is it. Maybe
we can get in.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
There so they'll have this case heard shortly, all right?
I asked you to have a look at.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
This and just have they got any grounds to come from?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I can't see it, unfortunately for Kennan, for Ollie, he's
falling victim to a rule that will no longer.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Be here next year, and that is the three or none.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So he's made contact, he ends up can cast the
Alex bump. I think he's really I think that's worth
half a week Jared, right. I think he should be
made to sit on the bench for this half game
and come on, but do we know that's not going
to happen. It's three or none and that's a system
that Greg Swan will deal with. So in this time
next year, or if that incident happens next year.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
You go one at most or maybe fine. Yeah, Han's
tired right now.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
The bulk of the contact is to the body, but
that doesn't matter. Is there is some contact that it's
left him with concussion.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So unfortunately I don't think, well, I don't think he's
going to be there.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
But we've been wrong before.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
All Right, there is a case underway involving Alex Davies
from the Gold Coast Sons, which has ramifications for his
hopes of seeing finals action. David Zita is following this, David, welcome.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Hi, jaredhy Gary. How is this unfolded?
Speaker 10 (13:45):
Well, the tribunal is currently deliberating at the moment, just
ticked over forty five minutes, so hopefully we'll have a
verdict very soon for you. Alex Davies and the Gold
Coast Sons arguing that this was not rough conduct and
if it was, it was.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Low impact rather than medium.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
Alex Davies gave evidence and said that at this point
in time he thought he could receive a handble, he
eventually realized he couldn't and tried to get in between
Anglin and Noah Anderson. He says he was bracing for
impact rather than electing to bump. So it is that's
the free slope again that we are dealing with.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
What is a brace?
Speaker 10 (14:17):
What is a bump and what counts for what he said.
He'd leanked backwards and dropped to his knees to reduce
momentum and minimize the impact with Anglin as I said,
that mean deliberating for a bit now, hopefully we will
have a thirty for you soon.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
All right, we'll be back with you then, David, thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
The furnace so that that has burnt around Port Adelaide
all year might be smoldering outs, but the last day
of Ken Hinckley, along with Travis Bog is at hand.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yet met.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We know you're going to give the best that you've
got for these next two games.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
If you're on a.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Board in five years time, as somebody says, let's go
with a succession plan, honestly, what will you say the defense?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Have you got everything right?
Speaker 7 (14:56):
And we had everything right?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
He said round one? This is a disas. Yeah, they've
lived it every oh.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I think there we no.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
More relieve man next weekend than Ken Eckley. Glad it's you.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
I'm sick. I'm sick of the be honest, I'm sick
of the way. And it's been been a bit of
a bit of a battle to get to the end.
Speaker 9 (15:15):
He admitted how tiring and exhausting this year had been.
So he's done a great job, but ge emostly it's
been it's been really draining.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Sick of it all means that it's been a pretty
challenging year when it comes to lots of things and
every second question coming up about it. I find it.
I did find it. I find it a little unfair.
I wake up on Saturday morn. I'm not the coach
for Port Adelaide anymore. That's been a long time, so that'll
be interesting. But overall, I'm pretty relieved that this chapter
(15:45):
is coming to an end because I think it's absolutely
the right time for it to come to ann And
you know that's that's when you know it's okay. It
was almost perfect.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
One perfect. You've been here for long enough, he over long.
It's just something your field.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
You feel. Yeah, that's where you got to be mindful
of where am I useful here?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And that will be the balance.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
That will be the balance fighting through it for too
long versus versus keeping it, keeping it.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
But one more might have been okay to okay.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
I miss the place, you miss the footy club day
to day. I wake up every morning for thirteen years
and graving years. So I'll miss that and I've been lucky.
It's such a great job with what you do.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
You know, you turn up and.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Watch footy. You know it's not not all that bad.
There's some parts of it that are pretty pretty average.
But I've just missed being here. That's real good. Thank you,
thanks all.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It has served with great distinction for thirteen years at
Port Adelaide. That comes to a close on Friday night
against the Gold Coast. You foretold this on our very
first show together, gaz is how this would unfold, and
I reckon to a word that is what has happened,
real or overreaction. The succession plan has failed.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No question, it's failed, and this is our last time.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I'm reflecting because it's our job to reflect on this,
and then we celebrate a man who's done an outstanding job.
I think he's been a great advocate for the game.
Put Audelaide have been wonderful him. He's been wonderful them
right up until this last year. I think it's been
a monumental failure.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Jared.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You can only have when it's not the coach's idea.
You can only have one senior coach in the joint
at any one time.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
That is clear.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And if the put Adelaide people are looking back on
this and can come to a different conclusion, I'd love
to hear how they could get to it. So, this
great competitor, this great emotional warrior, has had the overseer
a year where they've had the worst every year for
points four and against worst every year for points from turnover.
These are the measurements that he would count contest a
possession which their.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Heart and soul says there wasn't quite in it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That's their worst ever under Ken Henckley, worst ever clearance.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Result, worst ever inside fifty.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So the board the question to you, with all of
this information in hand, do you think it's worked.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Do you think you've treated him with.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The sort of compassion that you should have treated a
man who's given you such great service by saying, look,
you're not coaching us beyond next year, but you're going
to stay for a year, and that bloke there going
to be the senior coach and you're going to look
over your Should he come that conclusion, good luck.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So one pope, one president, one coach.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
One coach, Jared at a time, that's what I'm thinking
for you, it's been really unfair on kid.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, that's real. It's been torturous.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I suspect, and Ken's too good a man for his
club and he's too loyal within his job to give
any more than just a hint of that. But there's
been a hint of it over the past four or
five days. I do think there are two commandments I
reckon when it comes to a club and their coach.
That shall not expose the coach to unnecessary scrutiny and
(18:36):
thou shalt not undermine the coach. And they breached the
second of those. They undermined him in February. I think
they didn't fully grasp and maybe they still don't. It'll
be interesting in hindsight. They replaced the coach.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
In February, they did.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I think they thought they were going to do the
right thing by everybody and see him off with it. No,
they replaced him in February. And once you do that,
replace him when.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You make a decision, make the decision. So you're not
our coach. What if I win the premiership, You're not
our coach. He's our coach. And you have a year
like you've had it ain't happening again. It's a cautionary tale.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I think Port must find the emotional trigger on Friday.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, Ken will. I'll guarantee you that.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So Ken will find it in him to get himself up,
because he's a very invested emotional coach.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And we've watched it and loved it, and sometimes we've
looked at it and thought maybe it's.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Gone too far, But in the most part it's held
him in great stead. So he will find the triggers
to pull emotionally and then we will all sit back
and watch to see whether these players can respond one
more time.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
No question, he'll do it with a hellishly undermanned team
by the lost of things.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Indeed, against a team playing for everything. For you, Ken
will be in demand.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yes, yeah, I suspect a whole lot of clubs could
see a role for KENNI hin clean would be enriched.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
By having him there.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
He is a coach to the studs of his boots,
So that is part of it as well, is how
do you fit him in his absolute core? And he's
done it for thirty straight years. He's done it from
small towns.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
To the big league. He is a coach to the
core of him.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Is he going to be a coach still?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I don't know the answer to Gatfield.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I think he will probably at some point get tempted
with it. I imagine the quicker jobs he will get offered
a higher up and guiding coaches, which might suit him
really well at a certain phase in his life. But
the inner coach in Ken will never be fully quelled.
So what will that end up leading to fron to watch?
(20:32):
I hope they, I hope they see him off in
grand style.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
People should know you should pack that joint out because
he's been there through the good and bad, and that
man there, he's playing his last game. So you've got
two of your modern day heroes. See them outing style.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, we fabric Knight for a footy club.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Our players are about to join us locking Neil on
the injured list at the moment with his eye saw
the first weekend of finals and Zach Merritz can he
get there for Thursday Nights with reconnut Chinese Selva
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