Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Wednesday the 23rd of July with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for a huge edition of AFL 360, discussing the questionable scheduling of this weekend’s huge derby games. They then look at Steven May’s tribunal case as a decision looms and they end on a preview of Carlton vs. Hawthorn, as Sam Docherty is set to play his last game for the Blues and Charlie Curnow will be under the spotlight after media speculation surrounding his future.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
After a week of debates, the tribunal sits in judgment
of the Stephen May collision. As the football world watches.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
On, has Carlton looked to rise to the emotion Tomorrow night.
Charlie Kerno's future is a source of injurgue and.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The pressure of life on top. John Longmei reflects on
the challenge of trying to lead all the way we've
talked about is this step into it, embrace all of.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It in the room and eat it.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
The man on it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and injury, said president left. The
couple older said, of course they do.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It is the stuff that legends are made of. What
is holding the ball?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something wrong, you know, And I
need to get and the board sets meet.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
The fans love it and with no fans no through
sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
One of those odd week scas where we're still dealing
with events. The previous round is the next hurdles into
sights I know.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The tribunal case has that all in raptures over the
past three days is currently in progress, so we'll find
out shortly in.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
GIF to details they're deliberating now. It's been a really
interesting case. Can I just indulge me for a flood,
Let's say at the sometimes we put up the next
round and we just marvel at how good it's going
to be. Can I just put this up? At how
odd the scheduling and inconsistent with the patterns of the season.
This is so as a starting point. The addiction to
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Carlton and Essendon in primetime is laid clear. But the
insults to the Giants and the Swans of putting the
Sydney Derby tucked underneath it's seven point fifty out at
home Bush. It's just a no help whatsoever. The Q
Clash Gold Coast have just played their biggest home game
against Collingwood. How do you build momentum? How about the
most important Q Clash ever, We'll give you the really
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strange one twenty Saturday afternoon, as if trying to thwart
a huge crowd. It's just playing weird that the Derby
is in the Saturday twilight slot. Two point fifteen over
in the West and it's disrespecting the showdown to have
placed it where it is underneath an all Victorian clash
when it can carry so much. But the piece to
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resistance says what they have done on Sunday. There are
only two games. They are both in Melbourne at venues nearby.
We haven't been able to find clear air. The only
start time of two ten for the year is Richmond
and Collingwood, and then we're going to start since Kildoon
and Melbourne right there, just to make sure they're covered
right over. If your kids brought you this fixture, you
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would send them back to their room and say start again.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Sack them all.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Jared did that famous saying if yours out from gather around,
that's patently ridiculous. There's a lot of things there that
the Sunday situation is just mind blowing. So you've got
that off your chest, let me lift you up, all right.
We will also celebrate twenty five years of the Dockland
Stadium this weekend, which the AFL. That's one of their
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prize assets. Of course, it's lived through some controversy and
some highlights. James Hurd's goal when he hud the crowd.
These will spring them mind straight away. Jason McCartney's return
and retirement after kicking one of the win last goals
of the game.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I did that match. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
He had Kerry and coming back to the Kangaroos and
the Adelaide Crows. He had Hatchie Colin at Death Valley
getting suspended. But nothing, nothing compares to one of the
highlights of the twenty five years of the dock Hands.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It's not the Jerry Springer show. It's the Jerry Whiteley show.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
We're about to be thrown off here if you can
believe his shquarters. The two issues which have been resolved
here today are the best seats in the house will
now be sold first by ticket master and Kilda will
be asked.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well, this plays itself out, what are you doing and
what's going on?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So these are their first weeks of colonial statum when
they couldn't get anybody in, so Ian Collins called a
summer to solve the ticket issues, and then I got
thrown out. It had been going all day. We had
been counted there as a media following the events. What
acoustic you want keep going? I always thought with that
security guard that we would look back and laugh at it.
(04:14):
Twenty five years I came across him at the Olympic
soccer when it was in Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
We didn't have a laugh.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
He didn't see the funny he was.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
He was highlighted on the channel ten years. You cut
a fine figure.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I was going to mention, all right, here's all. We've
got John Longmye and Adam Simpson our favorite pairing on
three point sixty, Simon Goodwin from training at the des
and we'll be at the tribunal in a moment with
David Zita. And then to set you up around twenty properly,
first Crack preview, Ben Dixon is with Lee Montagne and
David King. D Day for Ossie Broadband. Who's a D
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day for?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It could go a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I just think it's really important that the Sons get
back on the horse here. As you mentioned, there were
fixture situation they've had coming off their best result and
then went to Adelaide and we're humiliated in the fashion
you don't want to be six weeks out from potentially
your first ever appearance in a final series.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
They've lost Dan Reali, the.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
On field man who's supposed to implement his plan that
he's bought with in from Richmond. No one knows it
better than Dan, really, DANIELI no longer their twok Mila
their captain or former captain. Another no longer their plan
against Queensland. I don't even think they have to win this,
but they've got to get back to something that resembles
the sort of form that has us all thinking they
can play finals footy.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Little by the big brother syndrome they've never quite been
able to shake in this relationship.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Punch a little one on the nose on the way
back would be good.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Where you go, I'll go to the Giants. There's six,
they're twelve and six. There's a view that they could
really come storming through. For a while they had a
really good record against Sydney, but that's not the case
in recent times. They've lost the past five Sydney Derby's.
In fact, they've only won one of the previous eight
and that was by one point in twenty twenty three.
So Sydney have a hold of them at the moment.
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There was that magnificent qualifying final where they got run
down from the big margin. So qualifying is the high
bar here and to find safety, you've got to get
to fifteen wins. So I do think the giants that've
got the motivation to finish Sydney off Sydney have to
be perfect, and then a whole lot has to happen.
Is finished, the crosstown rival off, get back to work
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here and rise because their footy looks like it could
really stack up.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I've got a lot of pieces.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I liked Toby Green last night and we asked him
about it and he said, here, we're ramps. It's got
me a couple of times when you got that mentality
you go on hunting.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So that'd be good. I'll look forward to that eventually,
when I get to see.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It all right top of the agenda. The debate has
been raging since Saturday night, from the moment that Stephen
May ran into Francis Evans and left him bloody and
cancust Is this a careless action that fails the duty
of care or is it an unavoidable collision where accidents
can still happen in a contact sport. He looked like
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he had to play on the ball.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
He picked him off.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I would argue that he absolutely thought he had a
play the.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Book to be fair, if I'm being really honest and
both sort of making a play at the ball, maybe
one person was one step late.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Do you get.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
That was a huge hit.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
If I were the MRO, I wouldn't have put it
up at.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
All, no football accent.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yep, yep. It's a decision that's made it blood at
the very last second. So I'm not sure what else
he could have done.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
I don't know whether our game is capable of allowing
that anymore. I don't think he was trying to hurt him,
so I think intent should be taking into account with
the MRO more than outcome.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
He knew exactly what he was doing and he picked
him off. This is from a gone here.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
There's going to be those incidents three or four a
year for the rest of time. That's the way the
game is.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It is both a test case and the case that
needed to be tested. All the evidence has been heard.
David Zena has sat through a David welcome ered Gary. Hello,
how has it gone?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yes, So they are deliberating currently. Hopefully we have the
verdict for you soon. It is either three games or zero.
The AFL wants three. That d say this is not
rough conduct. Now, interestingly, the afl arguing this is rough
conduct rather than rough conduct high bumps, so they are
conceding this isn't a bump. They still say it's rough conduct.
So Stephen May gave evidence. He thanked the tribunal for
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pushing it to Wednesday as he recovers from concussion. He
said he intended to win this ball with Frantis Evans,
and he intended to win it until the very final moment.
The bounce is what surprised him near the end. That
final bounce before the ball goes back to Evans is
what May wasn't expecting. And he even notes that his
arms are out stretched straight after the incident. You can
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see here if you keep your eyes peeled. His arms
come out afterwards because he's just shocked that he didn't
get the ball. He says, I just can't believe I
didn't take possession. I thought I did everything right, So
I'm just a bit shocked. So his evidence went for
twenty or so minutes. Adrian Anderson is representing the d's.
He always comes prepared with reasons. He had nine of
them as to why this wasn't rough conduct. Just bear
(09:24):
with me for a moment, So his first was that
May was contesting the ball. He's second legitimately expected to
get to the ball first.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Third, both were.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Traveling at pace and was reasonable for both of them
to do so. Fourth, the unexpected bounce of the ball. Fifth,
he realizes Evans is there, but by that point it's
too late to change tact. Sixth, he doesn't move off
his line. Seventh, doesn't tuck in his elbow or rotate,
doesn't jump off the ground in what would be a
bumping motion. Eighth he attempts to slow at the end,
even though it was too late. And ninth May is
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significantly taller than Evans. The AFL didn't spend as much
time going through there. They say that May new Evans
was going to get his hands to the ball from
a few steps out, so he already knew what was
going to take place. They say his conduct was a
breach of the duty of care he was owed. He
should have understood that the ball can bounce unpredictably, and ultimately,
they say he should have changed his momentum or trajectory.
(10:17):
So we've had to buy a mechanist. We've had a
text exchange mentioned all the tributal hallmarks. But ultimately this
case coming down to what the AFL thinks is reasonable
in the circumstances, the tributal rather and they've just gone
to deliberate as of about fifteen minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
All right, we'll be back with you shortly, David, once
you've got a verdict. So what do you hear? There
no bump?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Heared troll it out.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What are they saying.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
They're saying he didn't bump in? So what was he doing?
He's trying to win the footy, wasn't he. It's a
weak case, they say, And then they mentioned the unpredictable bounce.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It can bounce anyway, can bounce left, right up, or
just stay on the ground. No reasonable If a reasonable
player could tell you which way the ball's going to bounce,
it wins six brown. Yes, So anyway, it does seem
a bit weak to me. But you're not the expert
you are.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's hard to pin down exactly what Stephen May did wrong,
and I think that's what the prosecution has struggled with.
So the concession that there's no bump, but he should
have changed his momentum and trajectory. The idea that a
reasonable player knows the ball is going to bounce weirdly. Well,
that's of no.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Help to the nonsense, but that part of it isn't.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So I think they've struggled to make their case, and
Stephen May is perfectly reasonable in the way that he
explained he thought he was going to get to the
ball first, and the way the ball was bouncing gave
him faith in that, and then it bounced in an
unexpected manner.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah. No, it sounds like that've done a good job.
And I don't think the AFL it doesn't sound anyhow.
You're you and David at the experts in this. It
doesn't sound to me like the prosecuted it enormously well.
So there would be some hope from a Melbourn pudding.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah no, I'm open to being surprised with these things,
but I would be severely surprised if the AFL's case
was successful, and it would be open to appeal on
any number of fronts if they came up with a
guilty short it. So we'll wait to see tomorrow night
the round gets underway at the MCG. It has been
enhanced as a spectacle by the emotion that Carlton will
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feel Jacob Weeder in in Game two hundred and his
close friend Sam Dockerty in the Navy Blue for the
last time. He's been a significant person.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
You know, his counselor is always he is always sought
when you know we're trying to do things and to
get get his thoughts on things. He's been a really
important mentor to our leadership group and just to bring
a different perspective who's a deep thinker about the game,
doc and he's very passionate about.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
His football club.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
So you know, we're hoping that clearly we go out
tomorrow and you know we can do justice to that.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Been dealt the Cards of the Villain for this one.
He's obviously just a fantastic story. I think it's inspiration
for and I think the thing about Sam is it's
beyond sport, you know. So he's got the three new
reconstructions and come back from that and you know, still
been an Austraine type player, but then obviously he's cancer
treatments and coming back from that means it transcends sport.
And it's such an inspirational person that he's been. And
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other than the two hours that were on the field.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
We'll certainly be.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Trying to ruin his party tomorrow night, but after that,
certainly think he's one of the players of this season
that needs to be celebrated.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
In late July, when you've been out of business for
a while, you're clutching for a purpose, for a cause
or Carlton have been delivered that tomorrow night. I wonder
if they're able to honor us.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, well, I'm sure they will, but it only lasts
for a period of time, and then throughout moments in
the game when Sam's involved, we'd all love to see
him kick a goal, or there was a moment in
the game last week where he went back really hard
and was involved in just an intercept. I mean, all
those things are going to mean a lot, and the
ones that are really close to him we're doing encrypts
will be feeling it pretty heavily and you can harness
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that in whatever way you want, but you know, and
then you just go dispassionately to look at it. They
look better as a side with Akers and McKai coming
back in, Evan's out and young of course to Hawthorne,
because Sam Day comes back in as highly rated, Will
Day as highly rated as any youngster coming through, So
I think it makes it a more interesting context. Yeah,
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is that no question about that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So Will Day's returner, as you asked Sam about, this
is no VFL for him. Hasn't played since round three.
I remember Will told us that he was trying to
get back with a handful to go, and he has
this five to go, the stress fracturing them, the viculus
and the shutter through everybody, but here he is. That
what an addition he is right now for the run
in for them.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
He is to Hawthorne what Hayden Young is to Freeman.
And I was really interested in the way that Freeman
had brought Hayden Young back into the side. They brought
him back as the Sun, which surprised a lot of us,
and I wonder what they'll do with Will Day.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So Hayden Young.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sat for the first half just in his tracksuit, do
I say, Sam again, Will Day? And then halfway through
the third quarter he's activated and was just devastating eleven
touches and was involved in their big play. So it's
interesting to see how they bring him back. I mean,
they will take risks. So he's obviously clearly ready to
go and he makes them better, Jared, he makes this
is important for Hawthorne. I've just slid under the radar
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a little bit the last month and a half. I
reckon they just getting wins without making a big noise.
Bill Dave makes a big noise.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
When he comes.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So just thinking back to the way his season started
opening around at the SCG, we were there and then
he was the decisive figure against the Giants in long system.
He looked every inch their best.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Player, he looked all Australian quality, and that's what they'd
always hoped he'd be and it would appear what we
learn and from talking to him, he's a really integral
part of their leadership group. Seems to takes great responsibility
for what happens with the team on and off the field.
So that's an added bonus coming back into that side.
So it makes for a really interesting night now tomorrow
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night and Foxwood you'll do a magnificent job, whether they
always do.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
The added layer of intrigue around Carlton centers on Charlie Kerno.
So change will come to the Blues and nobody knows
what that change is going to look like. The speculation
that he's pondered the idea of a trade and now
you've got Tom Morris and a cow to me who
are died right into this space, who think that this
is at least an active idea, a notion now naturally,
(16:12):
Michael Voss shut that down today.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Charlie's a cult man, and you'll stay a Carlton man.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'm not sure how much more emphatic I need to
be on that.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
So I appreciate sort of these times of the year
and when you're not going so well there there will
always be some speculation on your players, but.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
It probably ends there for us.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Have you had to have conversations with him?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Have you been one of the people who's spoken with
about that desire?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
No, because it's again speculation. So it's very hard to
operate and have a conversation even answer something on here
say so, you know, other than to suggest, other than
to say that Charlie is a very important person to us,
and you'll.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Play out of his career here.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
He's a cult and person will stay one. So unequivocal
as you would expect through the trade evolution, you would
say that most of these things don't come to fruition,
but there's usually a kernel of truth anywhere in your mind?
Could you see Charlie Kernelt else where next year?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
My starting point is no, not under any circumstance, Jared,
not under any circumstance. That's my starting position, and then
just see how it unfolds him there. But that's the
position you take if you're Carlton. I'm not inside Charlie's mind.
I know you've got a different opinion, and I'll give
that in the moment, Vossi's opinion, as strong as it was,
may not matter. And I think that's what you're about
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to allude to, is that he's not in a position
of enormous strength. He's still got a year to go,
and hopefully, for his sake, he gets to coach next year.
But there's another man whose opinion matters more than anyone else,
and he ain't telling us anything.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, So Graham Wright has done all the work behind
the scenes. He assumes the role as chief executive in
mid August, and we expect that there'll be a blueprint
from there. So I think everything is on the table.
Part of Wright's job is to relieve the salary cap stress,
where they have a handful of players who monopolize, So
that's real.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Think.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I think that part of it is real, and he
he was unflinching in doing that. At Collingwood, he got
the million dollar Grundy deal off the books after the
fire sale that had happened previously. So they are stressed
at the top of their cap. So I think there
is the possibility that one or two of those players
the market simply doesn't know what Carlton is doing. Other
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clubs are sitting there going well, could Kerno be on
the table, Could Walsh be on the table? Nobody knows?
And if somewhere in Kerno's head he's going, well, I've
nearly had enough of this and all the repeat cycle
that happens with Carlton over and over, and if he
got the tap on the shoulder and go well, are
you open to it? Well, I think there are conversations
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to be had in August that we won't be privy to.
But there'll be a kernel of truth in this that
it might end up being the seed for something, or
it might just disappear.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
It would signal they're going way back.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
If they do, I think they'll have to go a
little bit back, but they're going to have to crack
their list open.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
To some degree Carton fans, they did prepare themselves for
that if in fact that happens, because once you are
open into the sixty four eighty one fifty seven goal
dual Comma medalists or Harry or Walsh, then you're saying
we're going way back. They're hard to find you. They
just don't come along, those players. So if they've got
themselves into a situation where Graham Wright looks at it
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and says, yep, we've got to empty out, well that's
been mismanagement. And they're not the only club. There's others
in a similar situation. So it is intriguing. I wonder
what Harry. Harry can come and knock this on the head.
Harry can knock this on the head tomorrow, kick five goals.
So Charlie Sarah Jones runs out with the microphone. He says,
aren't going anywhere. I love this joint, and here we go.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Pick the first goal, grab the jumper.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I'll ye, and I'll.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Tell you when this is when I take it seriously,
when players are then prepared to go yeah, I will
give up two hundred and fifty thousand to make it
happen because picking up salary like that's hard for some clubs.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That's when that's when you know you're feeding.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Them all right. Fifteen dollar tickets available for tomorrow night
at the MCG for a bumper crowds, real sensification to it.
We're heading to Melbourne training next. Timon good It joins
us before Adam Simpson and John Monmire dip into what's
going down on the foot of you right now? Oh
cool and nobody, I'm you
After a week of debates, the tribunal sits in judgment
of the Stephen May collision. As the football world watches.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
On, has Carlton looked to rise to the emotion Tomorrow night.
Charlie Kerno's future is a source of injurgue and.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The pressure of life on top. John Longmei reflects on
the challenge of trying to lead all the way we've
talked about is this step into it, embrace all of.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It in the room and eat it.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
The man on it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and injury, said president left. The
couple older said, of course they do.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It is the stuff that legends are made of. What
is holding the ball?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something wrong, you know, And I
need to get and the board sets meet.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
The fans love it and with no fans no through
sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
One of those odd week scas where we're still dealing
with events. The previous round is the next hurdles into
sights I know.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The tribunal case has that all in raptures over the
past three days is currently in progress, so we'll find
out shortly in.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
GIF to details they're deliberating now. It's been a really
interesting case. Can I just indulge me for a flood,
Let's say at the sometimes we put up the next
round and we just marvel at how good it's going
to be. Can I just put this up? At how
odd the scheduling and inconsistent with the patterns of the season.
This is so as a starting point. The addiction to
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Carlton and Essendon in primetime is laid clear. But the
insults to the Giants and the Swans of putting the
Sydney Derby tucked underneath it's seven point fifty out at
home Bush. It's just a no help whatsoever. The Q
Clash Gold Coast have just played their biggest home game
against Collingwood. How do you build momentum? How about the
most important Q Clash ever, We'll give you the really
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strange one twenty Saturday afternoon, as if trying to thwart
a huge crowd. It's just playing weird that the Derby
is in the Saturday twilight slot. Two point fifteen over
in the West and it's disrespecting the showdown to have
placed it where it is underneath an all Victorian clash
when it can carry so much. But the piece to
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resistance says what they have done on Sunday. There are
only two games. They are both in Melbourne at venues nearby.
We haven't been able to find clear air. The only
start time of two ten for the year is Richmond
and Collingwood, and then we're going to start since Kildoon
and Melbourne right there, just to make sure they're covered
right over. If your kids brought you this fixture, you
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would send them back to their room and say start again.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Sack them all.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Jared did that famous saying if yours out from gather around,
that's patently ridiculous. There's a lot of things there that
the Sunday situation is just mind blowing. So you've got
that off your chest, let me lift you up, all right.
We will also celebrate twenty five years of the Dockland
Stadium this weekend, which the AFL. That's one of their
(03:03):
prize assets. Of course, it's lived through some controversy and
some highlights. James Hurd's goal when he hud the crowd.
These will spring them mind straight away. Jason McCartney's return
and retirement after kicking one of the win last goals
of the game.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I did that match. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
He had Kerry and coming back to the Kangaroos and
the Adelaide Crows. He had Hatchie Colin at Death Valley
getting suspended. But nothing, nothing compares to one of the
highlights of the twenty five years of the dock Hands.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It's not the Jerry Springer show. It's the Jerry Whiteley show.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
We're about to be thrown off here if you can
believe his shquarters. The two issues which have been resolved
here today are the best seats in the house will
now be sold first by ticket master and Kilda will
be asked.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well, this plays itself out, what are you doing and
what's going on?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So these are their first weeks of colonial statum when
they couldn't get anybody in, so Ian Collins called a
summer to solve the ticket issues, and then I got
thrown out. It had been going all day. We had
been counted there as a media following the events. What
acoustic you want keep going? I always thought with that
security guard that we would look back and laugh at it.
(04:14):
Twenty five years I came across him at the Olympic
soccer when it was in Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
We didn't have a laugh.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
He didn't see the funny he was.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
He was highlighted on the channel ten years. You cut
a fine figure.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I was going to mention, all right, here's all. We've
got John Longmye and Adam Simpson our favorite pairing on
three point sixty, Simon Goodwin from training at the des
and we'll be at the tribunal in a moment with
David Zita. And then to set you up around twenty properly,
first Crack preview, Ben Dixon is with Lee Montagne and
David King. D Day for Ossie Broadband. Who's a D
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day for?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It could go a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I just think it's really important that the Sons get
back on the horse here. As you mentioned, there were
fixture situation they've had coming off their best result and
then went to Adelaide and we're humiliated in the fashion
you don't want to be six weeks out from potentially
your first ever appearance in a final series.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
They've lost Dan Reali, the.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
On field man who's supposed to implement his plan that
he's bought with in from Richmond. No one knows it
better than Dan, really, DANIELI no longer their twok Mila
their captain or former captain. Another no longer their plan
against Queensland. I don't even think they have to win this,
but they've got to get back to something that resembles
the sort of form that has us all thinking they
can play finals footy.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Little by the big brother syndrome they've never quite been
able to shake in this relationship.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Punch a little one on the nose on the way
back would be good.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Where you go, I'll go to the Giants. There's six,
they're twelve and six. There's a view that they could
really come storming through. For a while they had a
really good record against Sydney, but that's not the case
in recent times. They've lost the past five Sydney Derby's.
In fact, they've only won one of the previous eight
and that was by one point in twenty twenty three.
So Sydney have a hold of them at the moment.
(05:59):
There was that magnificent qualifying final where they got run
down from the big margin. So qualifying is the high
bar here and to find safety, you've got to get
to fifteen wins. So I do think the giants that've
got the motivation to finish Sydney off Sydney have to
be perfect, and then a whole lot has to happen.
Is finished, the crosstown rival off, get back to work
(06:21):
here and rise because their footy looks like it could
really stack up.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I've got a lot of pieces.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I liked Toby Green last night and we asked him
about it and he said, here, we're ramps. It's got
me a couple of times when you got that mentality
you go on hunting.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So that'd be good. I'll look forward to that eventually,
when I get to see.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It all right top of the agenda. The debate has
been raging since Saturday night, from the moment that Stephen
May ran into Francis Evans and left him bloody and
cancust Is this a careless action that fails the duty
of care or is it an unavoidable collision where accidents
can still happen in a contact sport. He looked like
(06:58):
he had to play on the ball.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
He picked him off.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I would argue that he absolutely thought he had a
play the.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Book to be fair, if I'm being really honest and
both sort of making a play at the ball, maybe
one person was one step late.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Do you get.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
That was a huge hit.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
If I were the MRO, I wouldn't have put it
up at.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
All, no football accent.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yep, yep. It's a decision that's made it blood at
the very last second. So I'm not sure what else
he could have done.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
I don't know whether our game is capable of allowing
that anymore. I don't think he was trying to hurt him,
so I think intent should be taking into account with
the MRO more than outcome.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
He knew exactly what he was doing and he picked
him off. This is from a gone here.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
There's going to be those incidents three or four a
year for the rest of time. That's the way the
game is.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It is both a test case and the case that
needed to be tested. All the evidence has been heard.
David Zena has sat through a David welcome ered Gary. Hello,
how has it gone?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yes, So they are deliberating currently. Hopefully we have the
verdict for you soon. It is either three games or zero.
The AFL wants three. That d say this is not
rough conduct. Now, interestingly, the afl arguing this is rough
conduct rather than rough conduct high bumps, so they are
conceding this isn't a bump. They still say it's rough conduct.
So Stephen May gave evidence. He thanked the tribunal for
(08:41):
pushing it to Wednesday as he recovers from concussion. He
said he intended to win this ball with Frantis Evans,
and he intended to win it until the very final moment.
The bounce is what surprised him near the end. That
final bounce before the ball goes back to Evans is
what May wasn't expecting. And he even notes that his
arms are out stretched straight after the incident. You can
(09:02):
see here if you keep your eyes peeled. His arms
come out afterwards because he's just shocked that he didn't
get the ball. He says, I just can't believe I
didn't take possession. I thought I did everything right, So
I'm just a bit shocked. So his evidence went for
twenty or so minutes. Adrian Anderson is representing the d's.
He always comes prepared with reasons. He had nine of
them as to why this wasn't rough conduct. Just bear
(09:24):
with me for a moment, So his first was that
May was contesting the ball. He's second legitimately expected to
get to the ball first.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Third, both were.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Traveling at pace and was reasonable for both of them
to do so. Fourth, the unexpected bounce of the ball. Fifth,
he realizes Evans is there, but by that point it's
too late to change tact. Sixth, he doesn't move off
his line. Seventh, doesn't tuck in his elbow or rotate,
doesn't jump off the ground in what would be a
bumping motion. Eighth he attempts to slow at the end,
even though it was too late. And ninth May is
(09:54):
significantly taller than Evans. The AFL didn't spend as much
time going through there. They say that May new Evans
was going to get his hands to the ball from
a few steps out, so he already knew what was
going to take place. They say his conduct was a
breach of the duty of care he was owed. He
should have understood that the ball can bounce unpredictably, and ultimately,
they say he should have changed his momentum or trajectory.
(10:17):
So we've had to buy a mechanist. We've had a
text exchange mentioned all the tributal hallmarks. But ultimately this
case coming down to what the AFL thinks is reasonable
in the circumstances, the tributal rather and they've just gone
to deliberate as of about fifteen minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
All right, we'll be back with you shortly, David, once
you've got a verdict. So what do you hear? There
no bump?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Heared troll it out.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What are they saying.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
They're saying he didn't bump in? So what was he doing?
He's trying to win the footy, wasn't he. It's a
weak case, they say, And then they mentioned the unpredictable bounce.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It can bounce anyway, can bounce left, right up, or
just stay on the ground. No reasonable If a reasonable
player could tell you which way the ball's going to bounce,
it wins six brown. Yes, So anyway, it does seem
a bit weak to me. But you're not the expert
you are.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's hard to pin down exactly what Stephen May did wrong,
and I think that's what the prosecution has struggled with.
So the concession that there's no bump, but he should
have changed his momentum and trajectory. The idea that a
reasonable player knows the ball is going to bounce weirdly. Well,
that's of no.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Help to the nonsense, but that part of it isn't.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So I think they've struggled to make their case, and
Stephen May is perfectly reasonable in the way that he
explained he thought he was going to get to the
ball first, and the way the ball was bouncing gave
him faith in that, and then it bounced in an
unexpected manner.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah. No, it sounds like that've done a good job.
And I don't think the AFL it doesn't sound anyhow.
You're you and David at the experts in this. It
doesn't sound to me like the prosecuted it enormously well.
So there would be some hope from a Melbourn pudding.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah no, I'm open to being surprised with these things,
but I would be severely surprised if the AFL's case
was successful, and it would be open to appeal on
any number of fronts if they came up with a
guilty short it. So we'll wait to see tomorrow night
the round gets underway at the MCG. It has been
enhanced as a spectacle by the emotion that Carlton will
(12:09):
feel Jacob Weeder in in Game two hundred and his
close friend Sam Dockerty in the Navy Blue for the
last time. He's been a significant person.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
You know, his counselor is always he is always sought
when you know we're trying to do things and to
get get his thoughts on things. He's been a really
important mentor to our leadership group and just to bring
a different perspective who's a deep thinker about the game,
doc and he's very passionate about.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
His football club.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
So you know, we're hoping that clearly we go out
tomorrow and you know we can do justice to that.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Been dealt the Cards of the Villain for this one.
He's obviously just a fantastic story. I think it's inspiration
for and I think the thing about Sam is it's
beyond sport, you know. So he's got the three new
reconstructions and come back from that and you know, still
been an Austraine type player, but then obviously he's cancer
treatments and coming back from that means it transcends sport.
And it's such an inspirational person that he's been. And
(13:08):
other than the two hours that were on the field.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
We'll certainly be.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Trying to ruin his party tomorrow night, but after that,
certainly think he's one of the players of this season
that needs to be celebrated.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
In late July, when you've been out of business for
a while, you're clutching for a purpose, for a cause
or Carlton have been delivered that tomorrow night. I wonder
if they're able to honor us.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, well, I'm sure they will, but it only lasts
for a period of time, and then throughout moments in
the game when Sam's involved, we'd all love to see
him kick a goal, or there was a moment in
the game last week where he went back really hard
and was involved in just an intercept. I mean, all
those things are going to mean a lot, and the
ones that are really close to him we're doing encrypts
will be feeling it pretty heavily and you can harness
(13:49):
that in whatever way you want, but you know, and
then you just go dispassionately to look at it. They
look better as a side with Akers and McKai coming
back in, Evan's out and young of course to Hawthorne,
because Sam Day comes back in as highly rated, Will
Day as highly rated as any youngster coming through, So
I think it makes it a more interesting context. Yeah,
(14:11):
is that no question about that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So Will Day's returner, as you asked Sam about, this
is no VFL for him. Hasn't played since round three.
I remember Will told us that he was trying to
get back with a handful to go, and he has
this five to go, the stress fracturing them, the viculus
and the shutter through everybody, but here he is. That
what an addition he is right now for the run
in for them.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
He is to Hawthorne what Hayden Young is to Freeman.
And I was really interested in the way that Freeman
had brought Hayden Young back into the side. They brought
him back as the Sun, which surprised a lot of us,
and I wonder what they'll do with Will Day.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So Hayden Young.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sat for the first half just in his tracksuit, do
I say, Sam again, Will Day? And then halfway through
the third quarter he's activated and was just devastating eleven
touches and was involved in their big play. So it's
interesting to see how they bring him back. I mean,
they will take risks. So he's obviously clearly ready to
go and he makes them better, Jared, he makes this
is important for Hawthorne. I've just slid under the radar
(15:07):
a little bit the last month and a half. I
reckon they just getting wins without making a big noise.
Bill Dave makes a big noise.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
When he comes.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So just thinking back to the way his season started
opening around at the SCG, we were there and then
he was the decisive figure against the Giants in long system.
He looked every inch their best.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Player, he looked all Australian quality, and that's what they'd
always hoped he'd be and it would appear what we
learn and from talking to him, he's a really integral
part of their leadership group. Seems to takes great responsibility
for what happens with the team on and off the field.
So that's an added bonus coming back into that side.
So it makes for a really interesting night now tomorrow
(15:43):
night and Foxwood you'll do a magnificent job, whether they
always do.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
The added layer of intrigue around Carlton centers on Charlie Kerno.
So change will come to the Blues and nobody knows
what that change is going to look like. The speculation
that he's pondered the idea of a trade and now
you've got Tom Morris and a cow to me who
are died right into this space, who think that this
is at least an active idea, a notion now naturally,
(16:12):
Michael Voss shut that down today.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Charlie's a cult man, and you'll stay a Carlton man.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'm not sure how much more emphatic I need to
be on that.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
So I appreciate sort of these times of the year
and when you're not going so well there there will
always be some speculation on your players, but.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
It probably ends there for us.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Have you had to have conversations with him?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Have you been one of the people who's spoken with
about that desire?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
No, because it's again speculation. So it's very hard to
operate and have a conversation even answer something on here
say so, you know, other than to suggest, other than
to say that Charlie is a very important person to us,
and you'll.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Play out of his career here.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
He's a cult and person will stay one. So unequivocal
as you would expect through the trade evolution, you would
say that most of these things don't come to fruition,
but there's usually a kernel of truth anywhere in your mind?
Could you see Charlie Kernelt else where next year?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
My starting point is no, not under any circumstance, Jared,
not under any circumstance. That's my starting position, and then
just see how it unfolds him there. But that's the
position you take if you're Carlton. I'm not inside Charlie's mind.
I know you've got a different opinion, and I'll give
that in the moment, Vossi's opinion, as strong as it was,
may not matter. And I think that's what you're about
(17:27):
to allude to, is that he's not in a position
of enormous strength. He's still got a year to go,
and hopefully, for his sake, he gets to coach next year.
But there's another man whose opinion matters more than anyone else,
and he ain't telling us anything.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, So Graham Wright has done all the work behind
the scenes. He assumes the role as chief executive in
mid August, and we expect that there'll be a blueprint
from there. So I think everything is on the table.
Part of Wright's job is to relieve the salary cap stress,
where they have a handful of players who monopolize, So
that's real.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Think.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I think that part of it is real, and he
he was unflinching in doing that. At Collingwood, he got
the million dollar Grundy deal off the books after the
fire sale that had happened previously. So they are stressed
at the top of their cap. So I think there
is the possibility that one or two of those players
the market simply doesn't know what Carlton is doing. Other
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clubs are sitting there going well, could Kerno be on
the table, Could Walsh be on the table? Nobody knows?
And if somewhere in Kerno's head he's going, well, I've
nearly had enough of this and all the repeat cycle
that happens with Carlton over and over, and if he
got the tap on the shoulder and go well, are
you open to it? Well, I think there are conversations
(18:39):
to be had in August that we won't be privy to.
But there'll be a kernel of truth in this that
it might end up being the seed for something, or
it might just disappear.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
It would signal they're going way back.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
If they do, I think they'll have to go a
little bit back, but they're going to have to crack
their list open.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
To some degree Carton fans, they did prepare themselves for
that if in fact that happens, because once you are
open into the sixty four eighty one fifty seven goal
dual Comma medalists or Harry or Walsh, then you're saying
we're going way back. They're hard to find you. They
just don't come along, those players. So if they've got
themselves into a situation where Graham Wright looks at it
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and says, yep, we've got to empty out, well that's
been mismanagement. And they're not the only club. There's others
in a similar situation. So it is intriguing. I wonder
what Harry. Harry can come and knock this on the head.
Harry can knock this on the head tomorrow, kick five goals.
So Charlie Sarah Jones runs out with the microphone. He says,
aren't going anywhere. I love this joint, and here we go.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Pick the first goal, grab the jumper.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I'll ye, and I'll.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Tell you when this is when I take it seriously,
when players are then prepared to go yeah, I will
give up two hundred and fifty thousand to make it
happen because picking up salary like that's hard for some clubs.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That's when that's when you know you're feeding.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Them all right. Fifteen dollar tickets available for tomorrow night
at the MCG for a bumper crowds, real sensification to it.
We're heading to Melbourne training next. Timon good It joins
us before Adam Simpson and John Monmire dip into what's
going down on the foot of you right now? Oh
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