Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Monday 21st of July with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for another huge edition of AFL 360 as they react to long-time club executive Greg Swann's new role on the AFL board as Head of Football.
Garry Lyon goes off on the AFL's inconsistencies of dissent as questions grow around the umpires before finals and the rise of the Dockers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The complex case of Stephen May, the fine line between
contesting the ball and the duty of care to be tested.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
A new Freemanner graduates to the contending bracket with a
stirring win over Collingwood.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
How far can it carry? The doggers and.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
The coaches living the small margins that will define the season.
Sam Mitchell and Chris Scott's in the fight to book
a place in September, we.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talked about is this step into it, embrace all.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Of it in the room and Pat it's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take
the man on. They played the best footy I've.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Ever seen at the start of the season, and Andrew said,
president left the couple older.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Said, of course they do.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Is the stuff that legends are made of. What is
holding the ball?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Wrong, you know, And I need to get on the
board sexually.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
The fans lover and with no fans no through sixty
year old.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The angles of round nineteen gazz and the rise and
fall of Fortunes is going to define everything that unfolds
from here.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, no missteps from here five weeks ago, Jude, that's
when it gets pointy in It's officially we've entered the
pointy end of the season.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Got the ladder predict the stage?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I reckon?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, Well, for those that play in that space, I'm
sure they've been busy in it.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
The ladder that matters right now is that a little
bit of movement about it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It has so the snakes and ladders, which will plot
for the remainder of the season. What Fremattle picked up
on the swings they gave back on, what the Suns
picked up on the swings they gave back on the roundabouts.
There they were the riser and they're the faller, and
everyone just progressed a little past of them.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I wonder we're they're going to push that out to ten.
Our Sydney Swans are just sitting there going, hey, what
about us?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Don't forget us.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know they're the longest of long shots, but you can't.
There were some terrific victories in amongst that, of which
we're going to talk about tonight as well.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The Bulldogs couldn't get out of the death seat. They
sit in ninth, so their opportunity to Rise is about
to come. They are celebrating the centennary tonight. It's the
one hundred year anniversary of the bull Dogs. So they've
gathered at Witten Oval to put the contemporary struggles apart
and honor what has been in the past. And you'll
be able to pick the famous spaces.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Were you missed the dress code fresh start at the
Brand Law Medalists live and there's there are some great
names in here in and amongst this grouping. The Brown
Law Medalists talk about Scottie Wine, who's done well, Bob Murphy.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Our very own. So it's Monday night.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's an unusual I would have thought when I heard
about this unusual night, given they played Friday night as well.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, so the highlight of the night is the name
of the top twenty five Bulldogs of all time, and
that means Dougs dougle about that right at the top
of the historians and the judges have had to separate
Ted Written and Marcus Bontempelli.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
One of those judges is on the couch after our show,
so would be put under all sorts of pressure to
reveal which way Mike san went hard for us or yeah,
hard for us to judge because I'm older than you.
So it's ej and the bond. Either way, you know,
how can you go? Ej is the face of footy
and the Western Bulldogs, and Marcus is the current day
(03:04):
in the modern day face of them.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So I'm not sure which way that goes.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Terry Willis has got this great framing. It is the
number one player is Bonton Pelly and the number one
Bulldog is ejod.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
That's a good willly nice framing. So how do they
sort it out? Tonight?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We will review that when we sit on Tuesday. Here's
how our week looks. Chris Scott and Sam Mitchell are
going to join us at the desk, not only the
fortunes of Geelong and Hawthorne, but the overall competition structure
and a critical tribunal hearing tomorrow or Wednesday night that's
going to affect a lot. Jack Revel, Jordan Lewis, Nathan
Buckley and Mike Shehan is there again. Our Tuesday night,
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our players Toby Green and Travis boch Ray Chamberlain. I
suspect this gets poorer and poornier.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Umpire as well as ever.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And then our favorite pairing on Wednesday, Adam Simpson and
John Longm plus Simon Goodwin.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I know you've got a bit on Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
As we work our way through our Mondays start with
the awarding of the GVPS the most valuable player from
the previous round three, three, two and one in the
estimation of just one man, Gary Lyon. It is the
most sought after prize in forty ninety three thousand dollars
worth of Mustang GT fast back from Ford Iconic Design,
Unreal performance five to eight engine goes like a dream
(04:16):
around Albert Park.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I'm not sure if this man's going to win, but
he'd look all right in the car, and he would
fancy himself in the car. But I didn't think i'd
mentioned the name Patrick Voss throughout the course of this year.
But you can't go to the mcg roll over the
flag favorite and kick six and not get a nomination.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He was terrific.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The standard of the goals goes up in accordance to
who you play on and he just gave Darcy Moore
a bath to the point where Darci had to get
moved off him. And then Maynard goes to him. He
beats Maynard ends up with Charlie Dean. So they came
with the plan. They said, dragged Darcy to the footy,
and he did and six goals Jared.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
There was heroics.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Everywhere, but in the end this bloke was the separating factor.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Cast off by Essen.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I don't there's any supplemental pick by Fremantle, gotident.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I've got an accident. Support his head us over this.
So he gets the one and deserves it. And then
Tom Green was sixteen clearances. He put on a clearance
clinic against the Bombers Tom Green and it's my award.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So there's no apology. I just get drawn to this
bloke every time I watch him play. He's as clean
as anyone. His ability to win it entied is look.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
At this pass.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's a banana pass from forty meters if you don't mind.
So yeah, I'm an unabash fan. And he put on
he put on a show against the Bombers, so big, lean, clean,
Tom Green gets two votes and then it would have
taken something pretty special and as always as unlucky. But
Isaac Keen, He's played arguably his best game in amongst
(05:50):
a resume which reads so brilliantly.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
He was unbelievable by Zach Keeney. He was.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He's just as clean and pure as a footballer. He
looks like a pure football he smiles like a putifootaller,
and he plays like an animal.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So this was the form that he was in last year,
which he has sporadically produced this year, and we've sent
it a couple of times. We saw it against the
Bulldogs and single handedly challenged on a Friday night and
then this was as it's as good as you'd ever
see him play, with five goals.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Out of the midfield.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And he's here last year I think meant has meant
that we've marked him harder this year, which happens to
the champions. And he's a champion of the game. So
I'm not looking at the leaderboard, but is that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Any second lot? It is?
Speaker 7 (06:29):
It is?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So he's up to six dangerfield nine, Toby Green, Jesse Hogan,
Matt Raw, Isaac Keeney on six and steel side bottom
because he pick it and Tom Green slides.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Up steel side. Botom Jog pass me in the pregame
and went like this you wanted to look.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
In all right? It probably goes in camera all right.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Top of the agenda is the herald of arrival at
AFL headquarters of greg Swan. It's fair to say there's
a collective investment in this appointments. The hope that he'll
make the change is that are necessary and warranted and
fix some of the glaring issues.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It's funny coming from Clubland, you sort of have a
pretty narrow view of life, but you know you've got
to do things here that the highlighting clubs have got
to be in support. Well not all of them wise
in support, but you know you'd like to canvas a
lot of different views before you make a call. So
and you know there's a lot of people who have
probably already looked at some of these things as well.
So it's just whether we can fast track some of
(07:28):
these decisions.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
Twenty six years at Clubland and you know, vast professional
experience before then. I think he adds a lot to
our executive team. He's been a great contributor to the
game over many years and he's now got the opportunity
to make a contribution in a different way. And and
think you see the knowledge is vast and will be
the better for it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
What's your opinion on the standard of umpiring great. My
opinion on the standard, I think they're doing a great job.
I mean, I think I said the other night one
of the things it's difficult for the umpires is the rules.
We just need to try and make them a bit simpler,
whether it's the stand, whether it's holding the ball, whether
it's you know, and again that's something that I'm really
(08:11):
keen to talk to clubs and coaches and footy managers about.
Is there an easier way for these guys to have
to adjudicate it. I mean, I think in general terms,
I've said this a few times and it's a bit folksy,
but you know, if I was in Brisbane and I
wanted Zack Bailey to someone to kick for my life
out of Zack Bailey and the other week he kicked one,
five and two on the fall. So you know, people
(08:32):
make mistakes and they have bad days and whatever, and
the umpies are no different.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
He's a pragmatist, he's a terrific leader. He loves the
game and you've got an interest jobs. He is dialed
in not just clubland and just the app, but he's
dialed into the constituency like few others Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
He's got a relatability which is really significant for everyone
who's involved in the game. I think they can relate
to Swani. He is the everyman, and he listens to radio,
he watches Steve, he watches the shows. Every time you
run in and talk to him, he can he's I
saw you do this, I heard you say that. So
now he's across the game from head office, and he's
(09:11):
across the game in a way that the man in
the hod is across the game. And that's what's going
to hold him in great stead, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So what can he do in the short term? The
main projects will be what does he do in the
immediate aftermath of the season. What does he put to
the commission through October and November for the structure of
a fresh season. But he clearly has a mandate and
a directive around the length of quarters and the overall
length of the game. And you've been dogmatic about this,
You've helped us understand and watched the progression of it,
(09:37):
just the breaking of time slots and the absurd amount
of time and what can be done. And he has
a view that he could make an impact on this
by next.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Week's one hundred percent across this. And this is the
challenge for him is to be able to do this
in such a way that it's.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Not jarring for anyone.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And it's not jarring to cut this game back by
four minutes at least to get it back to what
it was in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And he will take.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
The simplistic options which won't impact in a major way.
It'll be I'm not going to wait for the two
ruckmen now, MPI, I can now say you ready, you're ready, yep, yep,
and go and go where you go. That sort of stuff,
I think is the sorts of things that he could
implement really quickly, and I think it'd be great for
the game.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But he'll do it in a manner that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Is sustainable and won't upset the status quo of what
has been the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
But I'm looking forward to the off season massively.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, And that the project around the umpire, in which
he gave voice to the simplifications of the rules what
Adam Simpson laid out as the nineteen catchments of the
stand rule, and we know the various layers to hold
in the ball. It's getting something that is easily identifiable
and can be implemented without all the layers of confusion
(10:47):
and confection that's been added to it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I feel like we've had our handheld really well by
those boys who've invested their own time in the umpiring
and are here every week. So we've invested in the
whole debate and the issue. So I feel like I've
got an understanding of of how that can be simplified,
not saying it's easy, but how that can be easier
for them down the track at some stage.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But that would be more off season. Those big changes
aren't going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Made down you're triggered by descent. Yesterday we went alone
in this moment.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
NA it was just this is.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
What is this what frustrates people when it comes to
unpuiring And so.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't know if you ever listen here? Is that
sound up? I'm not here?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
So this is the level of dissent That slight little
indication to the school board.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Was enough for that?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So is that the standard we are expected to embrace
as commentators as supporters to understand and then be able
to impart that understanding to.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Our viewers and listeners.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Because if that's the case, then that is a nonsense
and it's embarrassing and they know it, and you know it.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Everyone knows it.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I've seen players do one hundred times worse than that,
and I'll show you something. And they've pointed to the
school board and they and I've been mentioned this on
the show. I mentioned it Son Radio. I said, uh, well,
that descent's gone out of the window. So it was
hardcore for a while. Brad Scott bought it in. I
was supportive, Okay, let's be hardcore, get it back to
respecting the Umpires because there was a challenge at the
(12:13):
Umpiring fraternity won't grow on the back.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Of the abuse and everything else.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So it was zero tolerance and we all had to
suck that up and let people going, oh, I think,
and then.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It just slowly got released.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And then it was up to us to work out
where you know, where the water watermarker is and for
some reason it's just been let go and they go, well,
you guys, work it out, you know, and we'll work
it out. And so then you get that and that
wasn't too bad. Then you get a bit more comes
in Haret former Aris Andrews, and then you get a
little bit more in the form of all these mikes.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Look at it. Now, that's the that's the scene, that's
the sense, and yet.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That's not a fifty and that poor bugger on the
weekend just at a gentle point to this like this,
like this, don't tell me that that is fifty meters.
So just come out and say, look, yeah, got it wrong. No,
no hanging your fence, but try and take us along
for the ride, which we don't have to sit there
in the middle of a blockbusting game at the MCG
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and go on. Now your painting around nineteen so we've
got a final series coming up. Clear it up before
the finals, absolutely, clear it up. Is that zero tolerance,
because it's not right now. I just showed you it's
not zero torrance.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Is it the thirteen that have been paid or is
it one hundred and thirty?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And is it the five Adelaide crows bokes doing handstands
and doing backflips?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Is that defense or not? Clear that up before the finals? Please?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
All right, here was Greg Sworden today.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
If you're going to give away fifty meter penalties by
pointing at the scoreboard or whatever, and everybody knows you
don't do it, then the coaches will go nuts. So
I know there was one paid yesterday, but my understanding
I asked about that this morning. There's been thirteen of
those paid this year, so it's not just that one.
But yeah, then, and people will point out that some
got missed as well. But I mean, I think everybody
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knows you're not allowed to do that, So don't do
it zero all four day.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, don't do it unless you shave Bolton. Then you
do it and you get away with it, and then
everyone goes, oh, you can do.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
It all right.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
The onfield, a landmark moment for justin longview was Fremantle yesterday.
You were there for it. It's the ultimate test. Collingwood at
the MCG They came from behind and prevailed. Now what
would it lead to next?
Speaker 7 (14:21):
The motto we've lived by over the last eight weeks,
eight ten weeks of just living the moment and making
sure we win each day.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
How big wol this speak for Fremantle to get a
win over the top of the pops Collingwood at the
Ham and footy I need to prove anything to the
footy world, but that would have proved to themselves.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Omiah about sing goal.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
The biggest test in football is the Collingwood MCG last
quarter test, the frantic pony.
Speaker 9 (14:58):
Looks.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
I can't party club, I can't run everywhere when.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
You get asked those questions a lot and don't really
sit and rank my wins. But coming here and planning
against the best team in the com isn't it easy?
You come and play at the meg Miaomi as well
as the team and obviously playing good footy sae ruy gutsy.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
How big is this moment for them? Jackson Poll?
Speaker 10 (15:25):
Look, I think there's one of those wins there really
smakes you stop believing that you're capable.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You just gotta give us up a chance and it's
abady done.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
This is as big as you can remember here for
the free footy club, and.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
They're on us there.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
It is they've passed the tests.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It is a.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Coloss or Ross got free bat or they're beaten Collingwood
at the color Sam.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
You want to play with the growing arms, then you
do on free Mail and just then they're out of
the christ there with the big boys.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right now they're taking out Collingwood at the MCG for
like away finals.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Book live in the moment, I understand we've got processes
to be able to enjoy winds, move on from winds,
and then prepare for the opposition. And our fans can
get excited. Absolutely, people within pretty club will get excited,
But as far as a coaching group and players are concerned,
we're just going to enjoy this and then move on.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
There's wins and there's winds. So this is one of
those winness.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
I mean, that's three and a half hour plane ride
all the way home. That will be really satisfied.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You've had twenty four hours to contemplate that gas and
I thought the echoes of what Justin Longmure said in
the aftermath, and knowing that they've been caught up in
the flag mantle stuff in the past which wasn't of
their making, but just the big picture and aspiring no, no, no,
narrow it down, which took me back to you laid
out footy broke. When Casher chips in, they are reinvesting.
(16:54):
They are a team that is graduating.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
We spoke about this early, did we. Yeah, And that
is that you invest in your game, invest in a performance.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And you get the win.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And they just cashed out this habit of cashing out
and they end up being footy break. Well, they're now
banking wins, so eight of nine if you don't mind,
and they now get themselves into a situation where.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
They're fates in their hands.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But of those eight wins, they're against four four wins
against top eight side.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So it wasn't just the weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I know they're under a lot of pressure and the
win on the weekend yesterday was really special. But their
form line stacks up and that's what should be giving
them great confidence. And then you get to yesterday against
the best team in the competition. They're down twenty contested
possession plus thirty and in turnover jared twenty three inside
fifties they gave up to Collingwood and they had to
absorb thirty five inside fifty pressures inside fifty tackles absorbed,
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or that they had one possession in their ford fifty.
In the third quarter, the margin gets to twenty two
points against Collingwood at the mcg and they win. That's
a win of substance and the way they did it
was unbelievable. In the last quarter at twelve, Hayden Young
had eleven when he came on as a sub. Jackson
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goes and kicks the clutch goal Son. There was a
lot to like about that. But the pleasing thing is
is there we bank that and then we go back
to work. And I love the messaging that's coming out
of Frio. They've got work to do, but by hell,
they earned some respect yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
They have to shed their safe skin to win it,
and it did suit them. And there was that emblematic
moment which you picked up at the time, which is
Banfield to Young, Yes, to Jackson and people.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You know, I listened to the to the reviews. Why
don't they play like that all the time. The simple
fact of the matter is Collingwood didn't let them. And
that's what happens when you play Collingwood, who were out there.
It was as good a Ford pressure game that Collingwood
didn't post. So if it get too expansive under that pressure,
you just give up even more scores from turnover, which
they did anyway. But as it wore down and a
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little bit of the heat came out of it and
a little bit of that pressure dissipated, then and what
and what perhaps hasn't been done in the past, then
when that kicks there take it.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And that's a legitimate critique of them.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
But as soon as that was their bang, that was
hit and it was symbolic that Hayden Young's left boot
just reminded everyone what they've been missing.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And then Luke Jackson kicks the clutch goal.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
The final moments of the game featured Darcy Moore dropping
his knees into Josh Tracey. It's a fifty penalty, but
nothing more. It doesn't feature and the MROs readout at
all today.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I didn't see this because these were the thrilling last moments.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
We're all going to be crazy in the in the
box getting involved, but this is not a good look
from the Collingwood captain. I'm surprised that he wasn't given
a fine, to be perfectly honest, dropping double knees into
the back of There was no reason to do that,
to drop your knees into the back of the play
when he's in that situation.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So I don't know why wasn't that side Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well presumably it was reached the threshold.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
There was a moment there where you just where Clark
got really upset and you just sawt o know, you guess,
back off here the game The game's in the balance
and the game shot by that stage. But a turnover
right there costs on the wind. But yeah, no, I
don't think Darcy would have been and I think he
looked back at that and be too proud of that.
But that would have only been a fine. I'm not
suggesting a suspension. But anyway, credit to the Freemantle Footall Club.
(20:09):
It was a terrific performance.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
The judgment that has come from the end of my
MRO is to go to the tribunal later this week
with Steven May and it's the next test case in
the way that players are asked to contest the ball
and the duty of care that is to be shown.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
You know, Steve's whole intent was to get the ball, clearly,
you just look at it pure intent. It was purely
for the ball.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
If both players were in line with the ball, seemed
to be attacking it to be fair. If I'm being
really honest, and both sort of making a play at
the ball, maybe one person was one step lay.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Kicks a little boyer who's streaming towards half ballard half
past over the top oft Eves was ball chance one
originally the other de collision as ever, just cleaned up May.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Have decision to make Evan's cod fIF got over his head.
Frank Stay, that was a huge it to do.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
I find he didn't lift the arm.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
He was desperate to go for the ball.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
He put the hands down for the ball. I mean
he probably these days you have to step out of
the way, don't you.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, he's a left good not to pull out.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
He was wanting to play the footage for the last second.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
He's done the little breaks and.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
That's all that takes.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
Unfortunately, I don't know whether our game is capable of
allowing that anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
He picked him off. It's as simple as that. He
knew exactly what he was doing and he picked him off.
This this is from a bygone era. I don't know,
other than not compete, what can Stephen may do?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
There?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
He looks not last he does? What else could I do?
Speaker 6 (21:50):
He's also he's off the Tom Lynch mold.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yes, who doesn't mind hurting the opposition though, So that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Help with that history either.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
And unfortunately, in the game we're playing, there's got to
be coach slightly different because we know any sort of
contact like that and Hi, he's going to be looked
at and looked at really really closely.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
This is six weeks, he's played his last game for
the season.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
He's in a bit of Bonnie rubble unfortunately, so a concussion,
a broken nose and a displaced tooth. That's what Francis
Evans wears. The process here is really interesting as Michael
Christian referred this directly to the tribunal rather than issually
in a three match band. It was created as careless,
high and severe. I think that that's an acknowledgment of
how in the margins this is. So had a three
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match ban been issued, Melbourne have to challenge put up
ten grand. This way, it sort of goes to arbitration.
This is to be argued and decided, and from what
we gather, the AFL is not going to ask for
more than three weeks, so they haven't referred it to
the tribunal to max out the penalty. This has been
sent as a true test case and it will swing
largely on the evidence of Stephen May. Before I get
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to that, just give me your view as a former player.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So at watching it live, I thought he was a
genuine play on the ball, absolute genuine player on the ball,
and we all see him differently and I congratulate all
the discourse over this. There hasn't been anything over the top.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'd argue. I don't think he tried to pick him off.
I don't think that's what he was the intention was.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But what we're going to get down to is what
can be acceptable in a second, because the minute, not
a minute, there's milli second where May decides that he's
not going to get there, because I think right up
till there, he's absolutely genuinely thinking he can get to
that footy first, and then it's about what's acceptable in
that split second. What can he do, what's accepted, what
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he's expected to do in a circumstance like that.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And I don't think he braced.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I don't think he covered up to try and clean
him up, if you like, if or pick him off,
as one of the boys said, I think it was
just okay, I'll maintain my momentum forward here and the
body the contact came to his shoulder. And then so
that they're going to argue, I would imagine the anfl
will argue the minute the second.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
At the minute, the split second.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You realize you weren't going to get that footy, you
needed to either stop not stop but slow down and
cover and throw your arms out, for instance.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Is that something that he could be expected to have done?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So I think that Alex Pierce case is instructive here.
It's not the same because ones a marketing contest and
one's a groundball. But I do think reading back over
it today is some of some of what's the measuring.
The decisive elements were hold. The first is that the
tribunal made an absolute virtue that the evidence Pierce gave
was thoughtfully given and it was obvious that he endeavored
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to answer truthfully. So this will swing hugely on Stephen
May's evidence at the tribunal, whether he's able to explain
precisely what he did and whether it measures up with
the vision the Pierce case swung on. And I'll just
relate this to me, did May have a realistic chance
of winning the ball until the very last moment? Oh,
it's got his hands down, balls coming towards him, then
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the ball sits up.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I would argue that he absolutely thought.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
He had to play on the ball, and then when
he realized he wasn't going to get to the ball,
did he do anything to minimize the contact?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, Well that's going to be that's in the margins.
Did he do anything to maximize contact, absolutely not. Did
he cover up, did he jump off the ground, did
he turn his body? I'd say no. And he's reasonable
then to expect him to have been able to minimize
because I don't think Alex Pierce did. I think, well, no,
Alex Pearce was coming with a velocity that continued on.
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He didn't bring his arm up or anything like that.
And I looked at the Alex Peers thing a lot
this morning as well, so I don't think there's a
hell of a lot different. So look, it'll be an
arguable case, and whether he gets off is going to
be really interesting. I think the Alex Pearce case gives
him great hope to go there and put it and go.
He's on the pedestal as much as anyone. Steven May,
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as you rightly said, I remember talking about Alex Pearce,
and you said, Alex Pearce is a very smart, thoughtful
you know, he can communicate really well, and that held
him in good stead.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
So here's the challenge for Steve May. I think he
genuinely believes that he was hard done by
The complex case of Stephen May, the fine line between
contesting the ball and the duty of care to be tested.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
A new Freemanner graduates to the contending bracket with a
stirring win over Collingwood.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
How far can it carry? The doggers and.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
The coaches living the small margins that will define the season.
Sam Mitchell and Chris Scott's in the fight to book
a place in September, we.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talked about is this step into it, embrace all.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Of it in the room and Pat it's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take
the man on. They played the best footy I've.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Ever seen at the start of the season, and Andrew said,
president left the couple older.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Said, of course they do.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Is the stuff that legends are made of. What is
holding the ball?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Wrong, you know, And I need to get on the
board sexually.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
The fans lover and with no fans no through sixty
year old.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The angles of round nineteen gazz and the rise and
fall of Fortunes is going to define everything that unfolds
from here.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, no missteps from here five weeks ago, Jude, that's
when it gets pointy in It's officially we've entered the
pointy end of the season.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Got the ladder predict the stage?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I reckon?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, Well, for those that play in that space, I'm
sure they've been busy in it.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
The ladder that matters right now is that a little
bit of movement about it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It has so the snakes and ladders, which will plot
for the remainder of the season. What Fremattle picked up
on the swings they gave back on, what the Suns
picked up on the swings they gave back on the roundabouts.
There they were the riser and they're the faller, and
everyone just progressed a little past of them.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I wonder we're they're going to push that out to ten.
Our Sydney Swans are just sitting there going, hey, what
about us?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Don't forget us.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know they're the longest of long shots, but you can't.
There were some terrific victories in amongst that, of which
we're going to talk about tonight as well.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The Bulldogs couldn't get out of the death seat. They
sit in ninth, so their opportunity to Rise is about
to come. They are celebrating the centennary tonight. It's the
one hundred year anniversary of the bull Dogs. So they've
gathered at Witten Oval to put the contemporary struggles apart
and honor what has been in the past. And you'll
be able to pick the famous spaces.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Were you missed the dress code fresh start at the
Brand Law Medalists live and there's there are some great
names in here in and amongst this grouping. The Brown
Law Medalists talk about Scottie Wine, who's done well, Bob Murphy.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Our very own. So it's Monday night.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's an unusual I would have thought when I heard
about this unusual night, given they played Friday night as well.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, so the highlight of the night is the name
of the top twenty five Bulldogs of all time, and
that means Dougs dougle about that right at the top
of the historians and the judges have had to separate
Ted Written and Marcus Bontempelli.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
One of those judges is on the couch after our show,
so would be put under all sorts of pressure to
reveal which way Mike san went hard for us or yeah,
hard for us to judge because I'm older than you.
So it's ej and the bond. Either way, you know,
how can you go? Ej is the face of footy
and the Western Bulldogs, and Marcus is the current day
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in the modern day face of them.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So I'm not sure which way that goes.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Terry Willis has got this great framing. It is the
number one player is Bonton Pelly and the number one
Bulldog is ejod.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
That's a good willly nice framing. So how do they
sort it out? Tonight?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We will review that when we sit on Tuesday. Here's
how our week looks. Chris Scott and Sam Mitchell are
going to join us at the desk, not only the
fortunes of Geelong and Hawthorne, but the overall competition structure
and a critical tribunal hearing tomorrow or Wednesday night that's
going to affect a lot. Jack Revel, Jordan Lewis, Nathan
Buckley and Mike Shehan is there again. Our Tuesday night,
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our players Toby Green and Travis boch Ray Chamberlain. I
suspect this gets poorer and poornier.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Umpire as well as ever.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And then our favorite pairing on Wednesday, Adam Simpson and
John Longm plus Simon Goodwin.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I know you've got a bit on Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
As we work our way through our Mondays start with
the awarding of the GVPS the most valuable player from
the previous round three, three, two and one in the
estimation of just one man, Gary Lyon. It is the
most sought after prize in forty ninety three thousand dollars
worth of Mustang GT fast back from Ford Iconic Design,
Unreal performance five to eight engine goes like a dream
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around Albert Park.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I'm not sure if this man's going to win, but
he'd look all right in the car, and he would
fancy himself in the car. But I didn't think i'd
mentioned the name Patrick Voss throughout the course of this year.
But you can't go to the mcg roll over the
flag favorite and kick six and not get a nomination.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He was terrific.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The standard of the goals goes up in accordance to
who you play on and he just gave Darcy Moore
a bath to the point where Darci had to get
moved off him. And then Maynard goes to him. He
beats Maynard ends up with Charlie Dean. So they came
with the plan. They said, dragged Darcy to the footy,
and he did and six goals Jared.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
There was heroics.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Everywhere, but in the end this bloke was the separating factor.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Cast off by Essen.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I don't there's any supplemental pick by Fremantle, gotident.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I've got an accident. Support his head us over this.
So he gets the one and deserves it. And then
Tom Green was sixteen clearances. He put on a clearance
clinic against the Bombers Tom Green and it's my award.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So there's no apology. I just get drawn to this
bloke every time I watch him play. He's as clean
as anyone. His ability to win it entied is look.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
At this pass.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's a banana pass from forty meters if you don't mind.
So yeah, I'm an unabash fan. And he put on
he put on a show against the Bombers, so big, lean, clean,
Tom Green gets two votes and then it would have
taken something pretty special and as always as unlucky. But
Isaac Keen, He's played arguably his best game in amongst
(05:50):
a resume which reads so brilliantly.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
He was unbelievable by Zach Keeney. He was.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He's just as clean and pure as a footballer. He
looks like a pure football he smiles like a putifootaller,
and he plays like an animal.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So this was the form that he was in last year,
which he has sporadically produced this year, and we've sent
it a couple of times. We saw it against the
Bulldogs and single handedly challenged on a Friday night and
then this was as it's as good as you'd ever
see him play, with five goals.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Out of the midfield.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And he's here last year I think meant has meant
that we've marked him harder this year, which happens to
the champions. And he's a champion of the game. So
I'm not looking at the leaderboard, but is that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Any second lot? It is?
Speaker 7 (06:29):
It is?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So he's up to six dangerfield nine, Toby Green, Jesse Hogan,
Matt Raw, Isaac Keeney on six and steel side bottom
because he pick it and Tom Green slides.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Up steel side. Botom Jog pass me in the pregame
and went like this you wanted to look.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
In all right? It probably goes in camera all right.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Top of the agenda is the herald of arrival at
AFL headquarters of greg Swan. It's fair to say there's
a collective investment in this appointments. The hope that he'll
make the change is that are necessary and warranted and
fix some of the glaring issues.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It's funny coming from Clubland, you sort of have a
pretty narrow view of life, but you know you've got
to do things here that the highlighting clubs have got
to be in support. Well not all of them wise
in support, but you know you'd like to canvas a
lot of different views before you make a call. So
and you know there's a lot of people who have
probably already looked at some of these things as well.
So it's just whether we can fast track some of
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these decisions.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
Twenty six years at Clubland and you know, vast professional
experience before then. I think he adds a lot to
our executive team. He's been a great contributor to the
game over many years and he's now got the opportunity
to make a contribution in a different way. And and
think you see the knowledge is vast and will be
the better for it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
What's your opinion on the standard of umpiring great. My
opinion on the standard, I think they're doing a great job.
I mean, I think I said the other night one
of the things it's difficult for the umpires is the rules.
We just need to try and make them a bit simpler,
whether it's the stand, whether it's holding the ball, whether
it's you know, and again that's something that I'm really
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keen to talk to clubs and coaches and footy managers about.
Is there an easier way for these guys to have
to adjudicate it. I mean, I think in general terms,
I've said this a few times and it's a bit folksy,
but you know, if I was in Brisbane and I
wanted Zack Bailey to someone to kick for my life
out of Zack Bailey and the other week he kicked one,
five and two on the fall. So you know, people
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make mistakes and they have bad days and whatever, and
the umpies are no different.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
He's a pragmatist, he's a terrific leader. He loves the
game and you've got an interest jobs. He is dialed
in not just clubland and just the app, but he's
dialed into the constituency like few others Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
He's got a relatability which is really significant for everyone
who's involved in the game. I think they can relate
to Swani. He is the everyman, and he listens to radio,
he watches Steve, he watches the shows. Every time you
run in and talk to him, he can he's I
saw you do this, I heard you say that. So
now he's across the game from head office, and he's
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across the game in a way that the man in
the hod is across the game. And that's what's going
to hold him in great stead, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So what can he do in the short term? The
main projects will be what does he do in the
immediate aftermath of the season. What does he put to
the commission through October and November for the structure of
a fresh season. But he clearly has a mandate and
a directive around the length of quarters and the overall
length of the game. And you've been dogmatic about this,
You've helped us understand and watched the progression of it,
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just the breaking of time slots and the absurd amount
of time and what can be done. And he has
a view that he could make an impact on this
by next.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Week's one hundred percent across this. And this is the
challenge for him is to be able to do this
in such a way that it's.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Not jarring for anyone.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And it's not jarring to cut this game back by
four minutes at least to get it back to what
it was in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And he will take.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
The simplistic options which won't impact in a major way.
It'll be I'm not going to wait for the two
ruckmen now, MPI, I can now say you ready, you're ready, yep, yep,
and go and go where you go. That sort of stuff,
I think is the sorts of things that he could
implement really quickly, and I think it'd be great for
the game.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But he'll do it in a manner that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Is sustainable and won't upset the status quo of what
has been the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
But I'm looking forward to the off season massively.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, And that the project around the umpire, in which
he gave voice to the simplifications of the rules what
Adam Simpson laid out as the nineteen catchments of the
stand rule, and we know the various layers to hold
in the ball. It's getting something that is easily identifiable
and can be implemented without all the layers of confusion
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and confection that's been added to it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I feel like we've had our handheld really well by
those boys who've invested their own time in the umpiring
and are here every week. So we've invested in the
whole debate and the issue. So I feel like I've
got an understanding of of how that can be simplified,
not saying it's easy, but how that can be easier
for them down the track at some stage.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But that would be more off season. Those big changes
aren't going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Made down you're triggered by descent. Yesterday we went alone
in this moment.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
NA it was just this is.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
What is this what frustrates people when it comes to
unpuiring And so.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't know if you ever listen here? Is that
sound up? I'm not here?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
So this is the level of dissent That slight little
indication to the school board.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Was enough for that?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So is that the standard we are expected to embrace
as commentators as supporters to understand and then be able
to impart that understanding to.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Our viewers and listeners.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Because if that's the case, then that is a nonsense
and it's embarrassing and they know it, and you know it.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Everyone knows it.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I've seen players do one hundred times worse than that,
and I'll show you something. And they've pointed to the
school board and they and I've been mentioned this on
the show. I mentioned it Son Radio. I said, uh, well,
that descent's gone out of the window. So it was
hardcore for a while. Brad Scott bought it in. I
was supportive, Okay, let's be hardcore, get it back to
respecting the Umpires because there was a challenge at the
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Umpiring fraternity won't grow on the back.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Of the abuse and everything else.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So it was zero tolerance and we all had to
suck that up and let people going, oh, I think,
and then.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It just slowly got released.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And then it was up to us to work out
where you know, where the water watermarker is and for
some reason it's just been let go and they go, well,
you guys, work it out, you know, and we'll work
it out. And so then you get that and that
wasn't too bad. Then you get a bit more comes
in Haret former Aris Andrews, and then you get a
little bit more in the form of all these mikes.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Look at it. Now, that's the that's the scene, that's
the sense, and yet.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That's not a fifty and that poor bugger on the
weekend just at a gentle point to this like this,
like this, don't tell me that that is fifty meters.
So just come out and say, look, yeah, got it wrong. No,
no hanging your fence, but try and take us along
for the ride, which we don't have to sit there
in the middle of a blockbusting game at the MCG
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and go on. Now your painting around nineteen so we've
got a final series coming up. Clear it up before
the finals, absolutely, clear it up. Is that zero tolerance,
because it's not right now. I just showed you it's
not zero torrance.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Is it the thirteen that have been paid or is
it one hundred and thirty?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And is it the five Adelaide crows bokes doing handstands
and doing backflips?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Is that defense or not? Clear that up before the finals? Please?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
All right, here was Greg Sworden today.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
If you're going to give away fifty meter penalties by
pointing at the scoreboard or whatever, and everybody knows you
don't do it, then the coaches will go nuts. So
I know there was one paid yesterday, but my understanding
I asked about that this morning. There's been thirteen of
those paid this year, so it's not just that one.
But yeah, then, and people will point out that some
got missed as well. But I mean, I think everybody
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knows you're not allowed to do that, So don't do
it zero all four day.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, don't do it unless you shave Bolton. Then you
do it and you get away with it, and then
everyone goes, oh, you can do.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
It all right.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
The onfield, a landmark moment for justin longview was Fremantle yesterday.
You were there for it. It's the ultimate test. Collingwood at
the MCG They came from behind and prevailed. Now what
would it lead to next?
Speaker 7 (14:21):
The motto we've lived by over the last eight weeks,
eight ten weeks of just living the moment and making
sure we win each day.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
How big wol this speak for Fremantle to get a
win over the top of the pops Collingwood at the
Ham and footy I need to prove anything to the
footy world, but that would have proved to themselves.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Omiah about sing goal.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
The biggest test in football is the Collingwood MCG last
quarter test, the frantic pony.
Speaker 9 (14:58):
Looks.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
I can't party club, I can't run everywhere when.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
You get asked those questions a lot and don't really
sit and rank my wins. But coming here and planning
against the best team in the com isn't it easy?
You come and play at the meg Miaomi as well
as the team and obviously playing good footy sae ruy gutsy.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
How big is this moment for them? Jackson Poll?
Speaker 10 (15:25):
Look, I think there's one of those wins there really
smakes you stop believing that you're capable.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You just gotta give us up a chance and it's
abady done.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
This is as big as you can remember here for
the free footy club, and.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
They're on us there.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
It is they've passed the tests.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It is a.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Coloss or Ross got free bat or they're beaten Collingwood
at the color Sam.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
You want to play with the growing arms, then you
do on free Mail and just then they're out of
the christ there with the big boys.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right now they're taking out Collingwood at the MCG for
like away finals.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Book live in the moment, I understand we've got processes
to be able to enjoy winds, move on from winds,
and then prepare for the opposition. And our fans can
get excited. Absolutely, people within pretty club will get excited,
But as far as a coaching group and players are concerned,
we're just going to enjoy this and then move on.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
There's wins and there's winds. So this is one of
those winness.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
I mean, that's three and a half hour plane ride
all the way home. That will be really satisfied.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You've had twenty four hours to contemplate that gas and
I thought the echoes of what Justin Longmure said in
the aftermath, and knowing that they've been caught up in
the flag mantle stuff in the past which wasn't of
their making, but just the big picture and aspiring no, no, no,
narrow it down, which took me back to you laid
out footy broke. When Casher chips in, they are reinvesting.
(16:54):
They are a team that is graduating.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
We spoke about this early, did we. Yeah, And that
is that you invest in your game, invest in a performance.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And you get the win.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And they just cashed out this habit of cashing out
and they end up being footy break. Well, they're now
banking wins, so eight of nine if you don't mind,
and they now get themselves into a situation where.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
They're fates in their hands.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But of those eight wins, they're against four four wins
against top eight side.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So it wasn't just the weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I know they're under a lot of pressure and the
win on the weekend yesterday was really special. But their
form line stacks up and that's what should be giving
them great confidence. And then you get to yesterday against
the best team in the competition. They're down twenty contested
possession plus thirty and in turnover jared twenty three inside
fifties they gave up to Collingwood and they had to
absorb thirty five inside fifty pressures inside fifty tackles absorbed,
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or that they had one possession in their ford fifty.
In the third quarter, the margin gets to twenty two
points against Collingwood at the mcg and they win. That's
a win of substance and the way they did it
was unbelievable. In the last quarter at twelve, Hayden Young
had eleven when he came on as a sub. Jackson
(18:06):
goes and kicks the clutch goal Son. There was a
lot to like about that. But the pleasing thing is
is there we bank that and then we go back
to work. And I love the messaging that's coming out
of Frio. They've got work to do, but by hell,
they earned some respect yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
They have to shed their safe skin to win it,
and it did suit them. And there was that emblematic
moment which you picked up at the time, which is
Banfield to Young, Yes, to Jackson and people.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You know, I listened to the to the reviews. Why
don't they play like that all the time. The simple
fact of the matter is Collingwood didn't let them. And
that's what happens when you play Collingwood, who were out there.
It was as good a Ford pressure game that Collingwood
didn't post. So if it get too expansive under that pressure,
you just give up even more scores from turnover, which
they did anyway. But as it wore down and a
(18:52):
little bit of the heat came out of it and
a little bit of that pressure dissipated, then and what
and what perhaps hasn't been done in the past, then
when that kicks there take it.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And that's a legitimate critique of them.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
But as soon as that was their bang, that was
hit and it was symbolic that Hayden Young's left boot
just reminded everyone what they've been missing.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And then Luke Jackson kicks the clutch goal.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
The final moments of the game featured Darcy Moore dropping
his knees into Josh Tracey. It's a fifty penalty, but
nothing more. It doesn't feature and the MROs readout at
all today.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I didn't see this because these were the thrilling last moments.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
We're all going to be crazy in the in the
box getting involved, but this is not a good look
from the Collingwood captain. I'm surprised that he wasn't given
a fine, to be perfectly honest, dropping double knees into
the back of There was no reason to do that,
to drop your knees into the back of the play
when he's in that situation.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So I don't know why wasn't that side Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well presumably it was reached the threshold.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
There was a moment there where you just where Clark
got really upset and you just sawt o know, you guess,
back off here the game The game's in the balance
and the game shot by that stage. But a turnover
right there costs on the wind. But yeah, no, I
don't think Darcy would have been and I think he
looked back at that and be too proud of that.
But that would have only been a fine. I'm not
suggesting a suspension. But anyway, credit to the Freemantle Footall Club.
(20:09):
It was a terrific performance.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
The judgment that has come from the end of my
MRO is to go to the tribunal later this week
with Steven May and it's the next test case in
the way that players are asked to contest the ball
and the duty of care that is to be shown.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
You know, Steve's whole intent was to get the ball, clearly,
you just look at it pure intent. It was purely
for the ball.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
If both players were in line with the ball, seemed
to be attacking it to be fair. If I'm being
really honest, and both sort of making a play at
the ball, maybe one person was one step lay.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Kicks a little boyer who's streaming towards half ballard half
past over the top oft Eves was ball chance one
originally the other de collision as ever, just cleaned up May.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Have decision to make Evan's cod fIF got over his head.
Frank Stay, that was a huge it to do.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
I find he didn't lift the arm.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
He was desperate to go for the ball.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
He put the hands down for the ball. I mean
he probably these days you have to step out of
the way, don't you.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, he's a left good not to pull out.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
He was wanting to play the footage for the last second.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
He's done the little breaks and.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
That's all that takes.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
Unfortunately, I don't know whether our game is capable of
allowing that anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
He picked him off. It's as simple as that. He
knew exactly what he was doing and he picked him off.
This this is from a bygone era. I don't know,
other than not compete, what can Stephen may do?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
There?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
He looks not last he does? What else could I do?
Speaker 6 (21:50):
He's also he's off the Tom Lynch mold.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yes, who doesn't mind hurting the opposition though, So that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Help with that history either.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
And unfortunately, in the game we're playing, there's got to
be coach slightly different because we know any sort of
contact like that and Hi, he's going to be looked
at and looked at really really closely.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
This is six weeks, he's played his last game for
the season.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
He's in a bit of Bonnie rubble unfortunately, so a concussion,
a broken nose and a displaced tooth. That's what Francis
Evans wears. The process here is really interesting as Michael
Christian referred this directly to the tribunal rather than issually
in a three match band. It was created as careless,
high and severe. I think that that's an acknowledgment of
how in the margins this is. So had a three
(22:35):
match ban been issued, Melbourne have to challenge put up
ten grand. This way, it sort of goes to arbitration.
This is to be argued and decided, and from what
we gather, the AFL is not going to ask for
more than three weeks, so they haven't referred it to
the tribunal to max out the penalty. This has been
sent as a true test case and it will swing
largely on the evidence of Stephen May. Before I get
(22:57):
to that, just give me your view as a former player.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So at watching it live, I thought he was a
genuine play on the ball, absolute genuine player on the ball,
and we all see him differently and I congratulate all
the discourse over this. There hasn't been anything over the top.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'd argue. I don't think he tried to pick him off.
I don't think that's what he was the intention was.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But what we're going to get down to is what
can be acceptable in a second, because the minute, not
a minute, there's milli second where May decides that he's
not going to get there, because I think right up
till there, he's absolutely genuinely thinking he can get to
that footy first, and then it's about what's acceptable in
that split second. What can he do, what's accepted, what
(23:42):
he's expected to do in a circumstance like that.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And I don't think he braced.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I don't think he covered up to try and clean
him up, if you like, if or pick him off,
as one of the boys said, I think it was
just okay, I'll maintain my momentum forward here and the
body the contact came to his shoulder. And then so
that they're going to argue, I would imagine the anfl
will argue the minute the second.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
At the minute, the split second.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You realize you weren't going to get that footy, you
needed to either stop not stop but slow down and
cover and throw your arms out, for instance.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Is that something that he could be expected to have done?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So I think that Alex Pierce case is instructive here.
It's not the same because ones a marketing contest and
one's a groundball. But I do think reading back over
it today is some of some of what's the measuring.
The decisive elements were hold. The first is that the
tribunal made an absolute virtue that the evidence Pierce gave
was thoughtfully given and it was obvious that he endeavored
(24:41):
to answer truthfully. So this will swing hugely on Stephen
May's evidence at the tribunal, whether he's able to explain
precisely what he did and whether it measures up with
the vision the Pierce case swung on. And I'll just
relate this to me, did May have a realistic chance
of winning the ball until the very last moment? Oh,
it's got his hands down, balls coming towards him, then
(25:02):
the ball sits up.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I would argue that he absolutely thought.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
He had to play on the ball, and then when
he realized he wasn't going to get to the ball,
did he do anything to minimize the contact?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, Well that's going to be that's in the margins.
Did he do anything to maximize contact, absolutely not. Did
he cover up, did he jump off the ground, did
he turn his body? I'd say no. And he's reasonable
then to expect him to have been able to minimize
because I don't think Alex Pierce did. I think, well, no,
Alex Pearce was coming with a velocity that continued on.
(25:33):
He didn't bring his arm up or anything like that.
And I looked at the Alex Peers thing a lot
this morning as well, so I don't think there's a
hell of a lot different. So look, it'll be an
arguable case, and whether he gets off is going to
be really interesting. I think the Alex Pearce case gives
him great hope to go there and put it and go.
He's on the pedestal as much as anyone. Steven May,
(25:54):
as you rightly said, I remember talking about Alex Pearce,
and you said, Alex Pearce is a very smart, thoughtful
you know, he can communicate really well, and that held
him in good stead.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
So here's the challenge for Steve May. I think he
genuinely believes that he was hard done by
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