Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Tuesday 15th of July with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for another huge edition of AFL 360, discussing the three big MRO decisions that hit the tribunal including Adam Cerra's case which Gerard labels a 'high farce'. As we look towards Round 19, Gerard and Garry discuss whether Harley Reid needs to look back at his earlier games to find the 'joy' he played with.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A triple header at the tribunal as North Melbourne tries
to be third time lucky, plus the first uppie contact
test case.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And during the dark times, a new essident captain Zach Merritt,
joins us and he calls for him to leave in
search of brighter horizons.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And Jeremy Howe's excellent season interrupted by injury will find
out how long the veteran Magpie expects to be sidelines.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We talked about his step into it, embrace all.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Of it in the room and reason it's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that. They're on the side
of Courtia with the brain kape, the man on They
played the best footy I've ever seen at the start
of the season. And in the president left the cup,
I order said he, of course they do. Is the
stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Something wrong, you know, And I need to get and
the boards.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Actually the fans lover and with no fans, no through
sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's coming at us from all angles this Tuesday night,
and I do mean all angles. Dads welcome great to
be here. My favorite guaranty is when he strays farmer
chef it's a day show host or some little ardin's
big day. That's right. Penalty shootouts, yes, I've done them
this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It was early.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
This was not my finest. I'm not sure why we're
playing this eight for twenty six the West Indies. Scott
Bowlin's got two wickets in two balls. He's now bowling
to war a can with one, two, three, four slips,
a Galia leg slip and a short leg in he comes.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And the pony pony bone him.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Trick that Scotty Bowler. What about that? The Victorian give
him up?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's just disgraceful. That's first I've seen that, Jared.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That was very very early, good morning. The cricket was crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I left the desk to get into the studio and
they were just starting their innings. They were three for
none by the time I had my cup and tea.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I work up exactly the right time, Turn on the telly,
turn on the ramble, and I got the whole lot
in one go. That was I'll give you a ring
that We're going to spend our summons together as well
as our winters think that's what that's the way. All right,
here's all we have lined up for you tonight. Our
players Zach Merritt and Jeremy Howe, who are both in
the news at the moment. Ray Chamberlain so Raze will
(02:39):
run his eye over what's Simo and Horse laid out
last Wednesday night. We're you at the tribunal in a
moment's time. The Midweek tackles all the news angles that
are running ahead of Round nineteen. Lauren Woodle guide the
way there, and then tomorrow night Simo and Horse are
back together. Jonathan Brown from Vegas and Jake Stringer, who's
about to come up against his old side. He's going
(02:59):
to join at.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
The desk would be great.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Will and mon Conti will be here as well as
the AFLW tickets are about to go on sale. All right, guys,
the tribunal, i'd've been totally distracted.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You have been very fired up about this, so I'm interested.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So the agenda for a good few hours is going
to be based at the AFL Tribunal. It takes in
a few things, the first test case for umpire contact
and the direct referral. It's a key night for a Lyne.
That's has the greatest impact. I think the most contentious
case is Tristan Sherry. The North Melbourne side has been
on the wrong end of a few of these. They'll
try their luck again shortly.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Why good look nasty?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
He's cold and that is not good news.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Sometimes accidents like that are going to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Whe interaction was excellent.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Still in a great look.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
When someone gets knocked and then forced to that floor,
he was probably guilty, but because it's an automatic three weaker,
I just wondered where the metriview panel, even the tribunal be.
Sir no, I'll tell the naughtyfy's Nordal three and trees
too much, and I reckon threes too much.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So that case Shortley Adam Chaer are the first to
go up direct referral to the tribunal for repeated to
umpire contact now Gaz. I've covered the Tribunal since I
was a cub reporter. I have seen high fast I've
been there when cases were cooked up in the lifts
with the chairman present. I have seen players blatantly lie
on purgare themselves. I have heard biomechanists invent the most
(04:39):
fanciful stories. I have seen character witnesses. I've seen submissions
from prime ministers to lower penalties. Tonight the tribunal has
reached new levels of high fast as they gribbled over
twelve hundred and fifty dollars with a panel of lawyers
who will shortly build for about thirty grand Shall we
get the detail? David Zena, welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Hello, Jared Alok? Are you surely what?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Want?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I still do this? Jared oh On?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
All right, So we spent just over an hour debating
over a twelve hundred and fifty dollars difference for Adam
Cherer and his fine for his latest careless umpire contact charge.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
He pled guilty to that charge.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
The standard fine for this offense a third or higher
offense will be five thousand dollars. The AFL wanted six thousand,
two hundred and fifty dollars. Carlton wanted the five thousand
dollars that normally goes down to three thousand, one hundred
and twenty five with an early plea that wasn't available
in this instance. They spoke about umpire contact, how many
times it's happened, and whatnot. This was I think everyone
(05:37):
was trying to get their bearings as to why they
were actually there.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We ultimately went to.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Deliberate, came back about forty minutes later and got a
five thousand, five hundred dollars fine for Adam Cherre. So
there is, after all that debate over the twelve hundred
and fifty thousand dollars difference, the Blues winning by about
seven hundred and fifty dollars. In the end, Jeff Gleeson said,
at the enormous to try and justify the hearing, we've
made it very clear notice to players with this hearing,
(06:03):
the players who report repeatedly commit the offense of careless
contact with an umpire will not necessarily benefit from just
an incrementally increased fine, or indeed that a fine will
always be the most appropriate sanction. So that's where it
was very quickly run and done, the five part of
a dollar fine, hand it out, and now we all.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Move on, all right, So just wait there one tick.
So I don't dismiss the broader principle, which is important.
It has gone too far and the AFL is duty
bound to its umpires to find a way to reduce it.
The only way to do that is to confront players,
but to go into a tribunal hearing with two lawyers
(06:43):
Jeff Gleeson, who's one of the country's most esteemed, the
two members of the jury and the admin staff of
which clubs are billed ten thousand dollars for a tribunal hearing.
And I'm going to say the AFL absorbs a bit
of cost to quibble over twelve hundred and fifty dollars
to set this principle. I don't think they have quite
(07:04):
achieved what they wanted to achieve. So I've got Carlton
winning by one hundred and twenty five dollars on this
spit split the difference. You want this, split the difference,
go home, and they gave Carldon the win by one
hundred and twenty five dollars.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You've left that skeeter Zita's massive soundarady to keep him
on either reporter, Come.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
On, if you wanted to make a stand and the
standard is worth making, you had to leave the specter
of suspension on the table at least for a little while.
But that was withdrawn immediately. And this is just wasting
everybody's time. If you want to ramp the fines up,
just ride it into the guidelines. And ramp the fines
up is Harley Red got a ten thousand dollar fine yesterday,
(07:43):
but we couldn't see our way clear to deal with
this in any other way. High fast, you know, I
think you some fast.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You and David can get together after the show.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I think you've got more in you. I think you've
got a bit more to get stuff that interests just me.
I'm trying to get into this is important for Friday night,
whether he's there for the Lions against the Dogs. David.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
The Lions are trying to downgrade impact from medium to low.
This is a lot more stock standard than the case
that we just saw with Adam Cherra, so low would
be a fine rather than on my match.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Ban Ivy free to face the Bulldogs this week.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
So they are going through their submissions at the moment.
Adrian Anderson representing the Lions and Andrew Woods representing the AFL,
so they're.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Just working through it currently.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Zach Bailey the AFL, saying that this was a bumper,
significant bump that had significant impact and potential to cause
injury to Nick Haynes. Adrian Anderson, on behalf of the Lions,
says that this is a bump to the body that
involved an incidental head clash, which they submit was low impact,
So that's where it's It's currently Zach Bailey can't attend
because of a personal matter, but that is the case
(08:47):
that he is putting forward via Adrian Anderson and the
Brisbane Lions team.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Gutfield Gazz he'll get off this. I think if he
had some sort of concussion symptoms then he'd be in trouble.
But I could see a case, I can see suation
where he gets off. This one just goes for players
to be The message out of all that is that
there was an unnecessary bump. Anyway, he's over the boundary
line and now you put yourself through this for a
(09:11):
couple of nights. But I suspect he might get off that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
All right. What do you expect from the Tristan Sherry case,
which is it's the most talked about of the cases tonight, David.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Yeah, Well, I think it's either three or nothing, just
given how the system works at the moment, they have
to try and get it thrown out. So I think
with Sherry that they can try and point to the
fact that Christian Salem there's a push for joysim Pin.
Then pushes Tom Sparrow into potentially creating more velocity that
Tristan Cherry hits Tom Sparrow with it, then knocks him out,
So that could be their angle there to try and
(09:41):
get this thrown out and say this was outside of
circumstances that could have reasonably been foreseen.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
As you mentioned.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Earlier, Drey, they've already had two fouled attempts at the tribunal,
this one the third, So ten thousand dollars out of
the soft cap each time for failed bids. They're going
to try and avoid it being thirty thousand. Tristan Cherry
facing a three match ban.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
All right, check back when with you at the end
of the show. David Zita on duty and this is
not directed at zeit's but we are all the dumber.
What has happened about the tribe of the Already tonight
you had one more. There are clubs who are afflicted
by injury in the middle of July, and Essendon has
been the poster child for that. Port adelaide A now
not too far behind with an ever growing injury list.
(10:20):
In the final days of the ken Hinckley Rain, They've
got a grudge match against Hawthorne, which is running out
of path, and then they've got a showdown for the
final time for Ken the lead port into Battle.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
In the coming two weeks, there's some games coming up
that everyone's going to have some sort of story around
different bits, and particularly for me, I'm only got six
plus hopefully, but six games to go. You know, if
you look through the fixture of Hawthorne, Adelaide, Geelong teams
that I've been involved with Gold Coast even in the
last round Free oh Josh, you know, there's lots of stories.
(10:53):
They are stories, But ultimately, I just want us to
play well. I don't care who we play, what sort
of jumper they are wearing. I just want us to
come out and give it good account of ourselves. Doesn't
mean we're going to win every game, but the realities
if we can play and be consistent about our actions,
that's all I'm focusing on.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
The whole year has been this peculiar holding pattern, which
you identified before they played even their first game. How
are they enduring in the middle of winter?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But it's kind of too late now to even get
to the stage. I love the language that Ken uses.
All I think about is Ken in this situation because
of the loyalty and the service that he's given. But
it's kind of like the coach that gets sacked and
then stays, I know it's not sacked. It's a succession plan.
So it's all semantics. But it's been a tough year
for him. And now Chad Corns goes, the enormously popular
(11:40):
player who's got great connections with the players. He's been
told by the incoming coach that he's no longer there.
So you've got a coach, You've got an incoming coach
and assistant coach. Two are not going to be there.
The players are looking at the coach and the Chad
and then they're looking at Josh Carr.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
They had the makings of.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
This, and then Kenny's bravely saying that Hawthorn the grudge.
There's the showdown, there's the geelong connection. I wonder whether
you know, if they get bold over by Hawthorn, then
then they're technically or mathematically can't make it.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Whether the showdown wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
A time because I suspect that, you know, at the
end of the day, Josh car wants to get going.
Now they may be handling it much better than we
think they are. Well, I'm assuming, but I would imagine
he just wants to get his hands on We either
got decisions to make on players recruiting and where to
you know, where they want to have a look at
players between now and then. And I'm sure Ken not
standing in the way that. But it's been a boody
(12:31):
hard situation.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
He's carried himself with a norm and dignity in a
circumstance that I still think is well beyond his control.
And that injury list now is you're desperately searching for
a sense of purpose and clinging to mathematical possibility, and
you know, matches, what can you draw out one last lap?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I take exception with one thing he said that in
terms of this scrudge match, while Zach Butters is alive,
there's a grudge to be had, don't You'll find a
way to get into about eight scraps against Hawthorn, irrespective
of how the results go.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
All right, last night's Spirit on a Couch was just
excellent to see Lee, Matthews and Mike setting back together.
So we dedicate tonight's furnace to them.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Let's switch channels. This show is dull.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You bet, how have you enjoyed being back on the couch?
Speaker 7 (13:21):
I didn't know i'd left.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
It looks like two ancient old guys sitting in a
theater Bark's watching television. Weren't crazy, No one would watch
junk like that.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
I can't believe the decline in the Carbon Football club.
In the thirty years since ninety ninety five the last premiership,
they've finished bottom six sixteen times. My own unofficial.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
View is I got to be official in a sec.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Calvien didn't care in the old days if that had problem,
they got the brown paper bag, filled it up, went
into state.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
You mean you can't buy premierships in this century?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That is the bottom line of it all.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Like the is the bottom of the ladder and they've
got more money than you're like a snicker.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So Graham Wright comes into this football.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
Coright, it must be pair of the musicians.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
What's what's the first thing on his list to do that?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
They followed grand right.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I'd ring Ned Kelly and say can I come back
to Collingwood?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
What I wouldn't be saying to the umpires coaches? You
coach them to do what we want them to do.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Not what you want them to do.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
It's a different game. I mean you played it the
boy near background. It was just people who love football,
love watching the best players play, and the AFL were
clever enough, we're lucky enough to have locket and done
still commit to play. And then everyone followed suit because
the big boys were in ninety thousand people in the game,
and then they just discontinued. It was just an abominable decision.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He's a big strong man, but most of the strength
at the moment, or most of them, it is in a.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
False Bavado who abuse.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
He sort of getting involved in verbal stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
In terms of age and experience on the couch.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
We've gone basically from Essendon to Collingwood over.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'd take that la spirit of course. Oh, michae Will
not a problem at all. Didn't go for perrym and
the Magician. I haven't heard half of the things he said.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I think he dated a lovely turn of phrase.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He has all right, bit a.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Real overreaction from that. Carlton don't know how to be
successful anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, I'm going with overreaction given that they played finals
last year in a prelim two years ago, so you know,
they jumped out of the blocks against we all thought
it was going to be a cart and Collingwood Grand Final.
That's only year, well just over two years ago. But
in terms of how this season's nutfolding, it's all going
pair shape. But I suspect they know, but it's just
not working out for it. But they did play. Now
if they played finals last year in a prelium in
(15:39):
twenty twenty three, that's probably why we were as staggered
as we are. It's time for the AFL to get
control of the umpire's back.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yes, I really like this from Lee Matthews. I have
felt in line with Lee all the way through this year.
So it isn't for the umpiring Department to decide to
crack down on the fifteen meter kick, which seemed to
be what was alluded to in the interviews we did
the weeks back. The stand rule, it's your obligation to
(16:06):
enforce it. It's not optional as to whether you can
figure it out or not. So I think the tension
between the umpiring Department and the administration has been very
real for reasons that we understand in Perth. That needs
to come to an end as soon as Greg Swan
gets in there, and then the AFL needs to seize
control back of it at the end of the year
and absolutely dictate this is what we expect. And then
I think we'll talk about this with Ray. I love
(16:28):
the points similar and horse made. There has to be
a project undertaken to simplify the rules.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, streamline.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It just has to happen, and that's the AFL's responsibility.
The big boys can reignite origin. Yeah, that is real.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I mean the players need to take control of this
and continue to push it really hard. So they mentioned
Plugger and Dunstall. I don't know where they were driving it,
but they said yes, and that's all you needed. So
this this incarnation is Bontan Pali and it's Tacos and
it's Pendlebury.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Pendlebury would play.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
For Victoria if this was yeah, you'd just pick him
because he would drive the standards crips for West Australia.
Get all those big names involved, and we've talked to
all of them. We had Tobe Green last week, was
that this week? Last week he said absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
He's in too.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Miller said he could wait. So everyone we talked to
says they're in. So if they're driving it passionately. This
is a real chance.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
His use of abominable decision was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
The last one to you, Harley is all false, bravado.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I think this is right.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I think this is real. So I was the first
eight to ten weeks of Harley Reen, when he just
arrived like this phenom. He was the most popular player
in the laitue for the way that he conducted himself.
He's a long way from that. I was thinking back
from what Andrew macquantas said. I wonder if Harley should
go back and just watch the way he started, watch
those highlights and the joy of the game that he
(17:48):
embodied in the first ten weeks. And then for all
sorts of reasons, it's got hard and he's done everything
other than playing, and he's doing the plane as well.
I didn't actually mean to say that, is but a nut.
Stop trying to unpiling it now, stop getting in the
street fights along the way, and get back to the
joyful footy that was in his first ten weeks, which
(18:10):
was so I cap.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I know exactly the game. You can get the Melbourne
game out, where is stiff arm petraca stiff armed Oliver
and then went and kicked the goal.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It was a goal of the year and then it
was close enough to it. So that's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The other thing is, you know the players around him.
He just he needs a strong hand around him and
for whatever reason, it's not there at the moment. I
could you know, we talk about I pook Am at
Penderbury all the time, or Dangerfield, those sorts of players.
Imagine if he had one of them who just pulled
him aside the right time, it had a word in
his ears. So it can be changed. Have a big
six weeks, finish strong and win some fans back.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
All right, let's bring out players him who are in
the news this week. Zach Merritt has been much discussed.
Here is the Essendon captain in some pretty bleak times
for the Bombers, and Jeremy how is trying to have
his stellar season interrupted by groin injury. We'll find out
a bit more next
Speaker 4 (19:00):
See are all Lose on Grease
A triple header at the tribunal as North Melbourne tries
to be third time lucky, plus the first uppie contact
test case.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And during the dark times, a new essident captain Zach Merritt,
joins us and he calls for him to leave in
search of brighter horizons.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And Jeremy Howe's excellent season interrupted by injury will find
out how long the veteran Magpie expects to be sidelines.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We talked about his step into it, embrace all.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Of it in the room and reason it's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that. They're on the side
of Courtia with the brain kape, the man on They
played the best footy I've ever seen at the start
of the season. And in the president left the cup,
I order said he, of course they do. Is the
stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Something wrong, you know, And I need to get and
the boards.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Actually the fans lover and with no fans, no through
sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's coming at us from all angles this Tuesday night,
and I do mean all angles. Dads welcome great to
be here. My favorite guaranty is when he strays farmer
chef it's a day show host or some little ardin's
big day. That's right. Penalty shootouts, yes, I've done them
this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It was early.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
This was not my finest. I'm not sure why we're
playing this eight for twenty six the West Indies. Scott
Bowlin's got two wickets in two balls. He's now bowling
to war a can with one, two, three, four slips,
a Galia leg slip and a short leg in he comes.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And the pony pony bone him.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Trick that Scotty Bowler. What about that? The Victorian give
him up?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's just disgraceful. That's first I've seen that, Jared.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That was very very early, good morning. The cricket was crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I left the desk to get into the studio and
they were just starting their innings. They were three for
none by the time I had my cup and tea.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I work up exactly the right time, Turn on the telly,
turn on the ramble, and I got the whole lot
in one go. That was I'll give you a ring
that We're going to spend our summons together as well
as our winters think that's what that's the way. All right,
here's all we have lined up for you tonight. Our
players Zach Merritt and Jeremy Howe, who are both in
the news at the moment. Ray Chamberlain so Raze will
(02:39):
run his eye over what's Simo and Horse laid out
last Wednesday night. We're you at the tribunal in a
moment's time. The Midweek tackles all the news angles that
are running ahead of Round nineteen. Lauren Woodle guide the
way there, and then tomorrow night Simo and Horse are
back together. Jonathan Brown from Vegas and Jake Stringer, who's
about to come up against his old side. He's going
(02:59):
to join at.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
The desk would be great.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Will and mon Conti will be here as well as
the AFLW tickets are about to go on sale. All right, guys,
the tribunal, i'd've been totally distracted.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You have been very fired up about this, so I'm interested.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So the agenda for a good few hours is going
to be based at the AFL Tribunal. It takes in
a few things, the first test case for umpire contact
and the direct referral. It's a key night for a Lyne.
That's has the greatest impact. I think the most contentious
case is Tristan Sherry. The North Melbourne side has been
on the wrong end of a few of these. They'll
try their luck again shortly.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Why good look nasty?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
He's cold and that is not good news.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Sometimes accidents like that are going to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Whe interaction was excellent.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Still in a great look.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
When someone gets knocked and then forced to that floor,
he was probably guilty, but because it's an automatic three weaker,
I just wondered where the metriview panel, even the tribunal be.
Sir no, I'll tell the naughtyfy's Nordal three and trees
too much, and I reckon threes too much.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So that case Shortley Adam Chaer are the first to
go up direct referral to the tribunal for repeated to
umpire contact now Gaz. I've covered the Tribunal since I
was a cub reporter. I have seen high fast I've
been there when cases were cooked up in the lifts
with the chairman present. I have seen players blatantly lie
on purgare themselves. I have heard biomechanists invent the most
(04:39):
fanciful stories. I have seen character witnesses. I've seen submissions
from prime ministers to lower penalties. Tonight the tribunal has
reached new levels of high fast as they gribbled over
twelve hundred and fifty dollars with a panel of lawyers
who will shortly build for about thirty grand Shall we
get the detail? David Zena, welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Hello, Jared Alok? Are you surely what?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Want?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I still do this? Jared oh On?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
All right, So we spent just over an hour debating
over a twelve hundred and fifty dollars difference for Adam
Cherer and his fine for his latest careless umpire contact charge.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
He pled guilty to that charge.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
The standard fine for this offense a third or higher
offense will be five thousand dollars. The AFL wanted six thousand,
two hundred and fifty dollars. Carlton wanted the five thousand
dollars that normally goes down to three thousand, one hundred
and twenty five with an early plea that wasn't available
in this instance. They spoke about umpire contact, how many
times it's happened, and whatnot. This was I think everyone
(05:37):
was trying to get their bearings as to why they
were actually there.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We ultimately went to.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Deliberate, came back about forty minutes later and got a
five thousand, five hundred dollars fine for Adam Cherre. So
there is, after all that debate over the twelve hundred
and fifty thousand dollars difference, the Blues winning by about
seven hundred and fifty dollars. In the end, Jeff Gleeson said,
at the enormous to try and justify the hearing, we've
made it very clear notice to players with this hearing,
(06:03):
the players who report repeatedly commit the offense of careless
contact with an umpire will not necessarily benefit from just
an incrementally increased fine, or indeed that a fine will
always be the most appropriate sanction. So that's where it
was very quickly run and done, the five part of
a dollar fine, hand it out, and now we all.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Move on, all right, So just wait there one tick.
So I don't dismiss the broader principle, which is important.
It has gone too far and the AFL is duty
bound to its umpires to find a way to reduce it.
The only way to do that is to confront players,
but to go into a tribunal hearing with two lawyers
(06:43):
Jeff Gleeson, who's one of the country's most esteemed, the
two members of the jury and the admin staff of
which clubs are billed ten thousand dollars for a tribunal hearing.
And I'm going to say the AFL absorbs a bit
of cost to quibble over twelve hundred and fifty dollars
to set this principle. I don't think they have quite
(07:04):
achieved what they wanted to achieve. So I've got Carlton
winning by one hundred and twenty five dollars on this
spit split the difference. You want this, split the difference,
go home, and they gave Carldon the win by one
hundred and twenty five dollars.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You've left that skeeter Zita's massive soundarady to keep him
on either reporter, Come.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
On, if you wanted to make a stand and the
standard is worth making, you had to leave the specter
of suspension on the table at least for a little while.
But that was withdrawn immediately. And this is just wasting
everybody's time. If you want to ramp the fines up,
just ride it into the guidelines. And ramp the fines
up is Harley Red got a ten thousand dollar fine yesterday,
(07:43):
but we couldn't see our way clear to deal with
this in any other way. High fast, you know, I
think you some fast.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You and David can get together after the show.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I think you've got more in you. I think you've
got a bit more to get stuff that interests just me.
I'm trying to get into this is important for Friday night,
whether he's there for the Lions against the Dogs. David.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
The Lions are trying to downgrade impact from medium to low.
This is a lot more stock standard than the case
that we just saw with Adam Cherra, so low would
be a fine rather than on my match.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Ban Ivy free to face the Bulldogs this week.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
So they are going through their submissions at the moment.
Adrian Anderson representing the Lions and Andrew Woods representing the AFL,
so they're.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Just working through it currently.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Zach Bailey the AFL, saying that this was a bumper,
significant bump that had significant impact and potential to cause
injury to Nick Haynes. Adrian Anderson, on behalf of the Lions,
says that this is a bump to the body that
involved an incidental head clash, which they submit was low impact,
So that's where it's It's currently Zach Bailey can't attend
because of a personal matter, but that is the case
(08:47):
that he is putting forward via Adrian Anderson and the
Brisbane Lions team.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Gutfield Gazz he'll get off this. I think if he
had some sort of concussion symptoms then he'd be in trouble.
But I could see a case, I can see suation
where he gets off. This one just goes for players
to be The message out of all that is that
there was an unnecessary bump. Anyway, he's over the boundary
line and now you put yourself through this for a
(09:11):
couple of nights. But I suspect he might get off that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
All right. What do you expect from the Tristan Sherry case,
which is it's the most talked about of the cases tonight, David.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Yeah, Well, I think it's either three or nothing, just
given how the system works at the moment, they have
to try and get it thrown out. So I think
with Sherry that they can try and point to the
fact that Christian Salem there's a push for joysim Pin.
Then pushes Tom Sparrow into potentially creating more velocity that
Tristan Cherry hits Tom Sparrow with it, then knocks him out,
So that could be their angle there to try and
(09:41):
get this thrown out and say this was outside of
circumstances that could have reasonably been foreseen.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
As you mentioned.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Earlier, Drey, they've already had two fouled attempts at the tribunal,
this one the third, So ten thousand dollars out of
the soft cap each time for failed bids. They're going
to try and avoid it being thirty thousand. Tristan Cherry
facing a three match ban.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
All right, check back when with you at the end
of the show. David Zita on duty and this is
not directed at zeit's but we are all the dumber.
What has happened about the tribe of the Already tonight
you had one more. There are clubs who are afflicted
by injury in the middle of July, and Essendon has
been the poster child for that. Port adelaide A now
not too far behind with an ever growing injury list.
(10:20):
In the final days of the ken Hinckley Rain, They've
got a grudge match against Hawthorne, which is running out
of path, and then they've got a showdown for the
final time for Ken the lead port into Battle.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
In the coming two weeks, there's some games coming up
that everyone's going to have some sort of story around
different bits, and particularly for me, I'm only got six
plus hopefully, but six games to go. You know, if
you look through the fixture of Hawthorne, Adelaide, Geelong teams
that I've been involved with Gold Coast even in the
last round Free oh Josh, you know, there's lots of stories.
(10:53):
They are stories, But ultimately, I just want us to
play well. I don't care who we play, what sort
of jumper they are wearing. I just want us to
come out and give it good account of ourselves. Doesn't
mean we're going to win every game, but the realities
if we can play and be consistent about our actions,
that's all I'm focusing on.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
The whole year has been this peculiar holding pattern, which
you identified before they played even their first game. How
are they enduring in the middle of winter?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But it's kind of too late now to even get
to the stage. I love the language that Ken uses.
All I think about is Ken in this situation because
of the loyalty and the service that he's given. But
it's kind of like the coach that gets sacked and
then stays, I know it's not sacked. It's a succession plan.
So it's all semantics. But it's been a tough year
for him. And now Chad Corns goes, the enormously popular
(11:40):
player who's got great connections with the players. He's been
told by the incoming coach that he's no longer there.
So you've got a coach, You've got an incoming coach
and assistant coach. Two are not going to be there.
The players are looking at the coach and the Chad
and then they're looking at Josh Carr.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
They had the makings of.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
This, and then Kenny's bravely saying that Hawthorn the grudge.
There's the showdown, there's the geelong connection. I wonder whether
you know, if they get bold over by Hawthorn, then
then they're technically or mathematically can't make it.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Whether the showdown wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
A time because I suspect that, you know, at the
end of the day, Josh car wants to get going.
Now they may be handling it much better than we
think they are. Well, I'm assuming, but I would imagine
he just wants to get his hands on We either
got decisions to make on players recruiting and where to
you know, where they want to have a look at
players between now and then. And I'm sure Ken not
standing in the way that. But it's been a boody
(12:31):
hard situation.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
He's carried himself with a norm and dignity in a
circumstance that I still think is well beyond his control.
And that injury list now is you're desperately searching for
a sense of purpose and clinging to mathematical possibility, and
you know, matches, what can you draw out one last lap?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I take exception with one thing he said that in
terms of this scrudge match, while Zach Butters is alive,
there's a grudge to be had, don't You'll find a
way to get into about eight scraps against Hawthorn, irrespective
of how the results go.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
All right, last night's Spirit on a Couch was just
excellent to see Lee, Matthews and Mike setting back together.
So we dedicate tonight's furnace to them.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Let's switch channels. This show is dull.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You bet, how have you enjoyed being back on the couch?
Speaker 7 (13:21):
I didn't know i'd left.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
It looks like two ancient old guys sitting in a
theater Bark's watching television. Weren't crazy, No one would watch
junk like that.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
I can't believe the decline in the Carbon Football club.
In the thirty years since ninety ninety five the last premiership,
they've finished bottom six sixteen times. My own unofficial.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
View is I got to be official in a sec.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Calvien didn't care in the old days if that had problem,
they got the brown paper bag, filled it up, went
into state.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
You mean you can't buy premierships in this century?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That is the bottom line of it all.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Like the is the bottom of the ladder and they've
got more money than you're like a snicker.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So Graham Wright comes into this football.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
Coright, it must be pair of the musicians.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
What's what's the first thing on his list to do that?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
They followed grand right.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I'd ring Ned Kelly and say can I come back
to Collingwood?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
What I wouldn't be saying to the umpires coaches? You
coach them to do what we want them to do.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Not what you want them to do.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
It's a different game. I mean you played it the
boy near background. It was just people who love football,
love watching the best players play, and the AFL were
clever enough, we're lucky enough to have locket and done
still commit to play. And then everyone followed suit because
the big boys were in ninety thousand people in the game,
and then they just discontinued. It was just an abominable decision.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He's a big strong man, but most of the strength
at the moment, or most of them, it is in a.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
False Bavado who abuse.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
He sort of getting involved in verbal stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
In terms of age and experience on the couch.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
We've gone basically from Essendon to Collingwood over.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'd take that la spirit of course. Oh, michae Will
not a problem at all. Didn't go for perrym and
the Magician. I haven't heard half of the things he said.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I think he dated a lovely turn of phrase.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He has all right, bit a.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Real overreaction from that. Carlton don't know how to be
successful anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, I'm going with overreaction given that they played finals
last year in a prelim two years ago, so you know,
they jumped out of the blocks against we all thought
it was going to be a cart and Collingwood Grand Final.
That's only year, well just over two years ago. But
in terms of how this season's nutfolding, it's all going
pair shape. But I suspect they know, but it's just
not working out for it. But they did play. Now
if they played finals last year in a prelium in
(15:39):
twenty twenty three, that's probably why we were as staggered
as we are. It's time for the AFL to get
control of the umpire's back.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yes, I really like this from Lee Matthews. I have
felt in line with Lee all the way through this year.
So it isn't for the umpiring Department to decide to
crack down on the fifteen meter kick, which seemed to
be what was alluded to in the interviews we did
the weeks back. The stand rule, it's your obligation to
(16:06):
enforce it. It's not optional as to whether you can
figure it out or not. So I think the tension
between the umpiring Department and the administration has been very
real for reasons that we understand in Perth. That needs
to come to an end as soon as Greg Swan
gets in there, and then the AFL needs to seize
control back of it at the end of the year
and absolutely dictate this is what we expect. And then
I think we'll talk about this with Ray. I love
(16:28):
the points similar and horse made. There has to be
a project undertaken to simplify the rules.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, streamline.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It just has to happen, and that's the AFL's responsibility.
The big boys can reignite origin. Yeah, that is real.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I mean the players need to take control of this
and continue to push it really hard. So they mentioned
Plugger and Dunstall. I don't know where they were driving it,
but they said yes, and that's all you needed. So
this this incarnation is Bontan Pali and it's Tacos and
it's Pendlebury.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Pendlebury would play.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
For Victoria if this was yeah, you'd just pick him
because he would drive the standards crips for West Australia.
Get all those big names involved, and we've talked to
all of them. We had Tobe Green last week, was
that this week? Last week he said absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
He's in too.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Miller said he could wait. So everyone we talked to
says they're in. So if they're driving it passionately. This
is a real chance.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
His use of abominable decision was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
The last one to you, Harley is all false, bravado.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I think this is right.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I think this is real. So I was the first
eight to ten weeks of Harley Reen, when he just
arrived like this phenom. He was the most popular player
in the laitue for the way that he conducted himself.
He's a long way from that. I was thinking back
from what Andrew macquantas said. I wonder if Harley should
go back and just watch the way he started, watch
those highlights and the joy of the game that he
(17:48):
embodied in the first ten weeks. And then for all
sorts of reasons, it's got hard and he's done everything
other than playing, and he's doing the plane as well.
I didn't actually mean to say that, is but a nut.
Stop trying to unpiling it now, stop getting in the
street fights along the way, and get back to the
joyful footy that was in his first ten weeks, which
(18:10):
was so I cap.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I know exactly the game. You can get the Melbourne
game out, where is stiff arm petraca stiff armed Oliver
and then went and kicked the goal.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It was a goal of the year and then it
was close enough to it. So that's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The other thing is, you know the players around him.
He just he needs a strong hand around him and
for whatever reason, it's not there at the moment. I
could you know, we talk about I pook Am at
Penderbury all the time, or Dangerfield, those sorts of players.
Imagine if he had one of them who just pulled
him aside the right time, it had a word in
his ears. So it can be changed. Have a big
six weeks, finish strong and win some fans back.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
All right, let's bring out players him who are in
the news this week. Zach Merritt has been much discussed.
Here is the Essendon captain in some pretty bleak times
for the Bombers, and Jeremy how is trying to have
his stellar season interrupted by groin injury. We'll find out
a bit more next
Speaker 4 (19:00):
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