Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Monday the 12th of May with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back to wrap up a mammoth Round 9 of footy. They urge the AFL world to not give up on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, using Jesse Hogan as an example of flipping a career and life around. They also review every game in the closest round in the AFL era, discussing Mark Keane’s ‘unforgettable’ game-winning mark for Adelaide Crows in the Showdown and Tom Brown’s ‘utterly brilliant’ run-down tackle that won Richmond Tigers a tight game against the West Coast Eagles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thrillers at every turn. A weekend of tight finishers not
seen for more than fifty years carries with it's all
manner of Monday judgments.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The Sun's further their strangle hold in the top end,
strengthening their claims for a Maiden Finals appearance. Damian Harwick
joins us.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Live from Darwin and ill discipline conspires with the lack
of method up front as the Swan slipped further off
the pace. Coach Dean Cox is with us from Sydney.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You talked about his step into it. Debrace all of
it in the room and eat it. It's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that. They're on the side
of cautia with the brain, take the man on.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of a season, and injury, said president left the
couple older say, of course they do.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is the stuff that legends.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Are made of.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
What is holding the ball? I don't think I could
answer it clearly right now that I could do something.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get and the
board sexually the fans lover and with no fans, no
through sixty year old I mistakenly thoughts Mother's Day footage
might be a sleepy affair, but Gas it turned into
the best day of the season so far.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Straight round the footge, Jared, there was magnificent games everywhere,
except for one that probably got into a bit of
a blowout, which you were at.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Might add the two that didn't meet the mark, but
nonetheless all right, our Monday look back at the events
of Brown Knight and all the ramifications that are drawn
from a Damien Hardwick and Dean Cox with us they
are our coaches. And then Lee Matthews is in the building.
Everyone just sits up a little straighter when Lee walks in.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I see the boys weren't late tonight right now, nice early,
so on the couch.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Immediately following us, our Mondays start with the GVPS, the
most valuable players from the round in the estimation of
just one man, Gary Lyon.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And this is the.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Most sought after prize in football thanks to Ford. The
Mustang GT Fastback valued at ninety three thousand dollars, Iconic design,
unreal performance five the eight engine.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We had a look at that the other day, Jared.
That magnificent vehicle. You weren't allowed to drive it. I
was Hopefully the vision is forthcoming soon. This man might
struggle to fit in it. Riley Pilthorpe gets a vote
from the Showdown. He is a monster this boat with
out the grand pregat game to do our hostings and
just watching him wander around and then seeing him put
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onto the s plape, particularly in the first half when
they set this up, he just presents he's on a
good defender and you just couldn't get around him. Had
nine marks at a half time, end up with ten
for the game, but five contested five inside fifty takes
front spot, which I love about any look at all
these marks here, any big key Ford who takes front
spot and he's prepared to sit there and then he's
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just so hard to move you can't move him. And
he's an excellent converter. So well done to Big Riley.
He gets my one.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Does that imply they gave the Showdown metal to the
wrong playoff?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That implies nothing, Jared, This implies I put a greater
standard on the big Key Ford than I do the midfielder,
which you'll see right here with the two. Jamie Elliott
got to go all the way back to Thursday Night.
This is an unreal performance in this bike. He's kicked
three hundred and nine career goals. Jamie Ellett as a
small forward, but he doesn't play traditional small forward because
he takes big marks and he kicks big goals. And
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if you had to get someone to kick that goal
for you, I know this debate's been going on forever
and a day, then you'd be pretty happy with this bike,
wuldn't you he just you'd feel in good hands. He
started on the biggest of stages. A look at this.
He did this on end Zac Day from the same spot.
So six goals for a small Ford or medium Ford,
whatever you want to call. Jamie Elliott separated that game.
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In the end they had twenty eight more inside fifties.
They should have had better looks at it freeo. But
every time it went down that end, it was Jamie
Elliott getting on the end of it. So it was
a really important win for Collingwood. But we might talk
about three tomorrow night. They were not good and then
no one argues with this. Jesse Hagan was a dominant
Ford performance of the year down there at gm HbA Stadium.
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Seven goals against the Geelong offense. So now it's under
man and I know this Gelong defenders missing, but they
know how to play this ground as well as anyone obviously.
But he just continues to do what Jesse Hogan's been
doing for a while now, raining Coleman medallist the best
contested mark along with Max Gorn in the competition. He
had twenty two touches, kick nine sorry took night marks,
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kick seven goals one. He's up to three hundred and
sixty nine career goals as well. So it's a fantastic story,
this one, Jared, and this is one of the great
wins of the year. Going down there when they needed
to win with pressure on there was a few cracks
starting to appear. Jesse Hogan got him across the line
with some help from some midfield as it got moving
again in their back half. So there they sit, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So the three votes Jesse Oogan here's a remarkable figure
in our game. This is his eleventh season. He starts
his life as a pick two and goes through Travail's.
He's at his third club and now he's probably had
the two seasons that he always promised. You've been thinking
about this a lot. What's the moral of the Jesse
Hogan story, well, I.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Think it's timely given the announcement coming out of the
Western Bulldogs today around Jamara Uglehagen, and that is this
is the greatest example for Jamara if he wants to
get a hold of something, and even for other clubs.
Jesse Hogan was in well, I say trouble. He found
himself in all sorts of situations and circumstances that had
Melbourne cutting him loose after he kicked. He gone forty
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four to forty one, forty seven, Melbourne haven't had a
big key forward and it desperately needed. Yet they had
to let him go. Freemantle took him. He had two
really ordinary years, certain goals, five goals, and then they
had to let him go on the basis of not
just footy but off field stuff. And he was in
a hole, Jesse.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
He was in living in the headlines to a far
greater degree than Jamara.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, and you go back to Perth and you're on
your two team town. So we know what Jamara has
gone through, we know where he's at in his foot
in and we'll announce where you know, what's the next
twist in that. But Jesse Hogan was Jamara is what
I'm saying. Jesse Hogan had all of these issues. And
by the time Jesse had left Freemantle after the two
will Fad years, he had one hundred and seventy goals
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to his name from ninety games and it looked like
his career was gone. No one wanted to touch Jesse Hogan.
Eventually the GWS Giants said, well, have you for pick?
I think it was fifty eight or some third round pick.
So Jamara's career has stalled. He's played sixty seven games
for one hundred and three goals, averaging at one point five.
Jesse average one point eight when he was at the crossroads.
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Don't give up on this guy, is the message from
Well for me tonight, because we are now lording Jesse
hogans if not the most important player in the league,
he's in the best five players in the league. He
is a contested marking animal, Colmon medallist who kicks big
bags of goals. You can't find them, Jared. They are
as rare as rocking horse poop. And then you've got
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this bok here. Now I'm not saying he's going to
get there, but don't give up on him. These bugs
go through the trials, and you know, I don't know Jamara,
and I don't know what he's been up to. And
I know he posted that stupid thing about Nick. He
looks like he's immature and battling. Jesse was in a
semi hole and he was given a chance. He got
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into an environment I don't know. I think Shane Mumford
had him living at the back of his house with
his family. Penny dropped. He is now arguably the most
important player in the competition. Picked up for nothing. No
one wanted a bar of him.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Sound familiar, Yes, So don't give up on yourself, I
would says the first for Jamara. There and that's what's
happened today. So j Clark and Lauren would publish the
story in the Herald something. He's gone to an interstate
health retreat, which is a polite way of saying he's
gone to rehab. So this is the moment of facing
up to his challenges and to his demons and of
the responsibilities that may or may not lie ahead. But
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for all that we've known, a lot's been said, but
not much as matched with actions.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
This is the first positive step. Action wise.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
In six months.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
This is his own choice, right, So the Western Bulldogs haven't.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
No, no, This is so the AFL has laid out
a program that he can take up or not, and
that's going to determine his football life. But this is
much more about his real life first, and so to
take that step proactively and who knows is two weeks,
two months, however long he needs to get himself into
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a condition where he's in a better place in his life,
and then whether he wants to contemplate football. The last step,
which will run right ahead to the last football step,
is whether too much damage has been done in this
environment for it to happen there. You say, don't give up,
but it might be the next club or the next Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
This is not a reflection on the Western Bulldogs because
I suspect that done everything they can in this space,
and I suspect it would be in another environment. But
I would love if Jesse Hogan could pick the phone up.
You say, the life you're leading now, you think it's good,
and you think it's exciting and being out and about
and all that. I'll tell you what else is another
really good life? Being the best forward in the competition
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and can ending for premierships. That's a pretty good life
to lead as well, and that's still there for you
if he wants it all right.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's a powerful comparison to make tonight to the top
of the agenda. Well, that's the foot of itself. How
could it not be when it was so pulsating in
tense right throughout the weekends. It delivered a set of
results we hadn't seen for more than half a century,
and it just left you thinking, what around we put
down all sharp objects?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's a one minute and forty seven game on Francis,
where's his wine? Through?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The little launch is long been Lises?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Did you gust the grime? He's there?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
A game?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Saber's that the shotoun moment?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Tell us what was going through your mind, because that
is going to be replayed time and time again over
the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I'll tell you exactly what was on my mind. Was
I left fenlesson get a goll just toty seconds beforehand,
and I said, the next time the boy comes and
I'm going to have to do everything in my hands,
just get this bottles and having it off of just
in back at the voting, fell in my lap, water
mant choice.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Water mark. Every shot, there's a moment's at the cane moment,
where were you? Winning the orangemand saved the game. I'll
tell you what if I get over the londy in
that man's clanking one of the mark for the year.
This is a chance. They gotta go quick. They gotta
take the risk.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Green lights for the Eagles and kicks into the middle
of the ground hunting.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Something wakes up the box. They're going up front.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Came on a horse, he gets in the under the
up cross.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
He's gone, wanna tack on Tom Brown? They getting saving tackle.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Take us through that moment.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You look up, you see an Eagles jumper and you
just go, oh, well, came forward in the center and
I miss the Boddy's ball, So I really had no choice.
I didn't chase him down.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I was getting I was getting smoke.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
To the reviews.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's the tackle of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
The ex celebration was incredible.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He just got goosebumps. He's kept it for he understands
the game and knows what's required in certain moments. And
to miss that spoil and then to.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Flick the switch to chase.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
This why he's such a good part you do.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It's the shaddering ball pits who were in the game of.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
The e last Satday, not Twine. I think at this
one guys out at the top of that from about
forty outs the glitch, it's my post and these doncasts
are coming of the age and demons. Absolutely pumped. He said,
he's saying his first breath in twenty minutes. He should
be pumped.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
That's a big win. The siren, the giant tun of
a girt, their fifth victory in a row at the cannery.
Oh the tigers HiT's off a yellow and black today
it's yellow.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And top brown.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Richmond back Tad puts, it's been a today Tarry met
marks and fans will.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Sing that song with join.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
It's one of the all time Pride showdowns.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
That wasn't a showdown, that was a showcase.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
But all the going for the win here.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And I are going for glory. If Stevens lets it
slide forward, just stand.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
He already has one goal.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Handle the angles had to be a handle.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Johnny want to opportunity picks a bat here.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
By paying Jack paying paying in the barn on that
occasion for North, it's going to be a draw seventy
one a piece.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
O Gee, I lock extra tour. I reckon what d
be the fund of footy? A bit more drama. I
think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
More drama. How can we take any more through some
of those moments?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And then the prospects of the team's got a bit
to work through. The mark. You were there for it,
the mark. What I would love people to do, if
they are footy heads, is to if you can hit
your slow mo, if you hold the remote down on
play it or slow mode, you know the right right,
and then just slow mo the mark from about here,
and then just put yourself in his position. So he's
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just going back. He's going back, and he makes a
decision about now where he says, right, I'm going to
open a rib cage, my spine, the back of my head,
my shoulders are opening all of these organs to anyone
who wants to come from forty meters away to jump
into me. It is unnatural. No wonder well, maybe three
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or four in the history that I've been watching just
did it naturally. Everyone else who is in that position
has to ball up their courage and make a conscious
decision to say I am prepared to do myself enormous
damage here in the process. And so once you make
that decision that turns you into a hero for me,
then completing the mark is the next thing. And he
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marks the footy. So the context I've seen, We've all
seen the great marks. There's a moment where you've got
to decide. Jared, You've got to decide. Nick Revolt's got
to decide when you ran with a flight, the big
fella next door has got to decide, Yeah, I'll go
and see you. I might smash myself. Mark Keane did
it and help save the game.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Meritorious an unforgettable moment for him. The rundown tackle at
the MCG Tom Brown. How perfect that it was the
rundown tackle which for a few weeks has been debated
either for the consequences of it all for the giving
away of a free kick. So in the moment he
sets out after Gross, I love the motivation of both
those two players, going, I've got to make amend this
for what just happened. He's not only got to get there,
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he then has to affect the tackle without giving away
a freaking in the back, without slipping low, so he's
got to get it just right and then tackle, roll
and release an arm, so it's to not give away
the freaking and risk suspension. This is just utterly brilliant
in the way that he not only saw it, went
after it, but executed it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And we when we dissected all of this with the
Curtis thing, we said, you were asking a lot of players, Well,
we can ask, but this is the answer to that
is we can ask a lot of players because the
state as high here, the pace and the velocity is
as high as the Paul Curtis thing, and he was
able to compute all of that and make that decision.
So do we ask a lot of them, which we
said we do, Yes, we do, but the players can
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handle it. And that what do you say if I
didn't do it? After the body smell, I was going
to get smoked in the room. Smoked in the review
might be the classic call of the year. And then
Adam Moosey said, he's a great lad, Tommy brown he's
Paul brown Son, he's got the footy chip. I love
that that vernacular as well, so he's a footy head.
So it was beautiful. I loved it and good on.
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The Tigers had a moose three wins out of night
yeah nice, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And they've had moments. They've got the Seth Green flip
and now they've got the rundown tackles, so.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
They've got some They've got some kids in there who
aren't taking too much notice of right now, Jared, who
are six foot six and above, lookout extra time.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So I haven't sat with you before after a drawer
are you? Are you with or against Fag's here one
of the most sensible, pragmatic men in the game.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yep, I'm against it for me a drawer as a result.
That's the way I say that, So I don't need
to go to extra time. I am amused by the
fact that we've got three different rules in the AFL
for home and away all finals bar of the Grand Final,
then another set of rules for the Grand Final. But no,
I'm happy. I'm happy to accept the home and away
result as a drawer. Two points apiece makes the ladder
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a bit more interesting, So you extra time.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm a moderate on this, but if you want to
entertain me for six more minutes, I'm totally up for it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, it would be entertaining, but I'm happy to accept
that the drawer as a result that doesn't come around
to of them.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Two clubs who disappointed last week were the Giants and Sons.
They both planted their flag in different ways, one in
a hostile environment and one who is making the top
end their own. The Giants first, who revisited an old
theme down at GMHBA, and there's not many teams who
can make an opposition's fortress their own stronghold.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Look, this is one of the moments that struck me.
So Mark Ltza's took that mark and then Patrick Daningerfield
took the ball. Now you know that's Mark Letzev knows
that's his mark. If you want to kick that goal
and be the hero, you know, only Patrick Dangerfield walk
away with it. So that was just a little one
for me in what was a game a great consequence
and lots of storylines. But he gone, let's he said,
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I don't know, I don't want to do it, don't
give it to me, you do it, and this is
what happened. So maybe harsh, but if you want to
be that man, you're going bugger off Danger I marked it,
I'll kick it and they fell short, so spectacular win
for Giants. And they are the stage last year last
week where we went through some numbers and looked at
the way they played and started to question that they
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had the sort of midfield depth that big finals teams needed. Well,
you know, they threw Toby into the middle, they got
the run and Dare back off half back, and they
had the big Vela up forward. So any one that
beats Geelong down there, for mine is a serious, serious
footy club and they've done it five in a row.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And the Suns and our seven and zero in Darwin.
The best part, or one of the best parts of
what they do is I think there's this misnoment that
these games aren't very good because it's height and the
slippery They make this a high scoring venue. They're averaging
about one hundred and sixteen points in each of their
seven wins. This got thrilling late as the Dogs closed
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and they tested the metal of the Sun, so it
looked like they'd won it, they'd won it on total merit,
and then all of a sudden they had to go
and win it again. And this was probably the most
impressive aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I think the win that they had when aside such
as the Western Bulldogs who are playing with such confidence
and dare come back at them in this manner that
maybe in the past you see this side accept that,
but they didn't. And I think it's a really really
significant win for them. And now they've got Hawthorne coming up.
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They stay up there naming hardwicks and join us in
the moment. So we'll find out what they're up to.
But tell you what, if they can bowl over the
Western Bulldogs in Hawthorne in consecutive weeks, then or the waiting,
well they weren't like I saying that, but the waiting
won't be over.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, they're six and two now with the game in hands,
and then Thursday night, which is such a big occasion, the.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Game against Esendon up there lead down the trail something special.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I wonder if it's a nuisance that it's been pushed
later here it is.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Let's talk the Bombers.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They are five and three, so before we launch, it's
worth saying they have beaten the teams who currently sit
in thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth. So for a
team that is off eleven wins two years in a row,
they're taking the scalps that they should. Now the Swans
are a team coming out of the Grand Final, so
take that for what you like. When Brad Scott was
here after the diabolical performance against Adelaide, we quized him
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on the defensive integrity of the team and the system
that really hadn't been in place.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Either at Essendon or on his watch.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yes, and that's actually what's revealing itself in recent times.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, in a really positive way, which is I think
great encouragement for Essendon and Essendon fans. I wonder if
they sit there and notice that or they just get
caught up in the victories, that the truth will be
told in the telling of the next three or four weeks.
I think for this footy club, they did what they
needed to do against the teams that are positioned where
they're positioned. And if you wanted to try out your
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new resolve as a defensive unit, then they were the
teams that you needed to put it in place. And
then sit back and say watch And then I'm sure
the boys who follow us will document the actual numbers.
They can look at that block and say, yes, we've
implemented this new role or this new system. Also no
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new system, but we've paid much more attention to the
way we want to play and we've ticked those boxes,
which puts us in this position now. And the tests
are coming. So the stress test on how good defensively
they are Jared is coming. They could do is beat
what they've beaten and that's a pretty damn good result.
The one losses against the ONANSAC day against the red
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Hot magpiles, so that is just ticking all boxes that
right there, and all of the defensive numbers you'll see
on the couch. I'm sure they tick all those boxes.
Get ready for its coming.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So Brad vowed to be competitive while rebuilding that they
would do both at the same time. And it feels
like the three planks that they're working on is one
develop the players that they've already got.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
These are not to be discarded.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
They have to be as good as they can be,
refine and implement the system that they will use when
they are ready to rise. And then the third plank
wits they've got the cachet of draft picks where they
need to hit their A grade talent to add to
what they've got. Now. The emergence of zachared this was
always what they were hoping for and that's before our eyes.
Zach Merritt, we know is the standard bearer Durham to
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win a stoppage for your life the forwards. This Caddy
is clearly going to grow into that player over the
next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
CaCO does his.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Bits and pieces so that last piece of the influx
of multiple A grade talents which they'll fork us them
hope that they get. That's the path to their full rebuild.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
And so to get to where they are you had
to be absolutely clear and where you were, and I
think from where I see for the first time in
a long time, they know exactly where they are as
a football club and where they're heading, just whether they
can get there or not.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
One of the lingering questions for a lot in the
football world at the moment is there's still a football
accident And the answer is yes to those who believe
that all of these things are outcome driven. When there's
a concussion, there's going to be a suspension, that's not
the case, and the Luke McDonald's case will stand as
the next piece of testaments to that. So he collides
with Barry, it's an awful collision with a terrible outcome.
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Berrys left can cast. They're both split open as a result.
The question is did Luke McDonald elect to bump And
the answer is clearly not. He was focused on the
ball and man in the mark. He was completely unaware
of Barry's presence until the last moment Barry changes direction
and suddenly they're on each other. McDonald doesn't even get
to finish whatever he was doing is flint Reactually he
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doesn't even get to finish doing it, and bang there
they are. But that is not an immediate suspension just
because it results in a concussion.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And that's a good thing. And that's the continuing education
of all of us in the footy world. And that
chase down tackle is still very much alive. And if
you tackle in the right manner, which he did, Tom
Brown at Tom Brown, and if that young West Coast
player had to hit his head in that process, with
Tom having let the arm go and go on to
the side and rolled, and that's a footy accident, Jared,
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That's a footy accident. So no problem with that at all.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It should be reassuring to all those who worry there
is still a football accident when there's no call.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It was a great round of footy for all those reasons.
All right, what a greatund Let's bring in our coaches,
shall we?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Who lived either side of its dam in hard weeks.
Stays in Darwin with his team. They play Saturday and
they play Thursday. Or Dean Cox. He's got a fair
bit to do on that magnet boarder. At the moments
he searches for a winning formulae
Thrillers at every turn. A weekend of tight finishers not
seen for more than fifty years carries with it's all
manner of Monday judgments.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The Sun's further their strangle hold in the top end,
strengthening their claims for a Maiden Finals appearance. Damian Harwick
joins us.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Live from Darwin and ill discipline conspires with the lack
of method up front as the Swan slipped further off
the pace. Coach Dean Cox is with us from Sydney.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You talked about his step into it. Debrace all of
it in the room and eat it. It's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that. They're on the side
of cautia with the brain, take the man on.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of a season, and injury, said president left the
couple older say, of course they do.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is the stuff that legends.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Are made of.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
What is holding the ball? I don't think I could
answer it clearly right now that I could do something.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get and the
board sexually the fans lover and with no fans, no
through sixty year old I mistakenly thoughts Mother's Day footage
might be a sleepy affair, but Gas it turned into
the best day of the season so far.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Straight round the footge, Jared, there was magnificent games everywhere,
except for one that probably got into a bit of
a blowout, which you were at.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Might add the two that didn't meet the mark, but
nonetheless all right, our Monday look back at the events
of Brown Knight and all the ramifications that are drawn
from a Damien Hardwick and Dean Cox with us they
are our coaches. And then Lee Matthews is in the building.
Everyone just sits up a little straighter when Lee walks in.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I see the boys weren't late tonight right now, nice early,
so on the couch.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Immediately following us, our Mondays start with the GVPS, the
most valuable players from the round in the estimation of
just one man, Gary Lyon.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And this is the.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Most sought after prize in football thanks to Ford. The
Mustang GT Fastback valued at ninety three thousand dollars, Iconic design,
unreal performance five the eight engine.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We had a look at that the other day, Jared.
That magnificent vehicle. You weren't allowed to drive it. I
was Hopefully the vision is forthcoming soon. This man might
struggle to fit in it. Riley Pilthorpe gets a vote
from the Showdown. He is a monster this boat with
out the grand pregat game to do our hostings and
just watching him wander around and then seeing him put
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onto the s plape, particularly in the first half when
they set this up, he just presents he's on a
good defender and you just couldn't get around him. Had
nine marks at a half time, end up with ten
for the game, but five contested five inside fifty takes
front spot, which I love about any look at all
these marks here, any big key Ford who takes front
spot and he's prepared to sit there and then he's
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just so hard to move you can't move him. And
he's an excellent converter. So well done to Big Riley.
He gets my one.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Does that imply they gave the Showdown metal to the
wrong playoff?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That implies nothing, Jared, This implies I put a greater
standard on the big Key Ford than I do the midfielder,
which you'll see right here with the two. Jamie Elliott
got to go all the way back to Thursday Night.
This is an unreal performance in this bike. He's kicked
three hundred and nine career goals. Jamie Ellett as a
small forward, but he doesn't play traditional small forward because
he takes big marks and he kicks big goals. And
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if you had to get someone to kick that goal
for you, I know this debate's been going on forever
and a day, then you'd be pretty happy with this bike,
wuldn't you he just you'd feel in good hands. He
started on the biggest of stages. A look at this.
He did this on end Zac Day from the same spot.
So six goals for a small Ford or medium Ford,
whatever you want to call. Jamie Elliott separated that game.
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In the end they had twenty eight more inside fifties.
They should have had better looks at it freeo. But
every time it went down that end, it was Jamie
Elliott getting on the end of it. So it was
a really important win for Collingwood. But we might talk
about three tomorrow night. They were not good and then
no one argues with this. Jesse Hagan was a dominant
Ford performance of the year down there at gm HbA Stadium.
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Seven goals against the Geelong offense. So now it's under
man and I know this Gelong defenders missing, but they
know how to play this ground as well as anyone obviously.
But he just continues to do what Jesse Hogan's been
doing for a while now, raining Coleman medallist the best
contested mark along with Max Gorn in the competition. He
had twenty two touches, kick nine sorry took night marks,
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kick seven goals one. He's up to three hundred and
sixty nine career goals as well. So it's a fantastic story,
this one, Jared, and this is one of the great
wins of the year. Going down there when they needed
to win with pressure on there was a few cracks
starting to appear. Jesse Hogan got him across the line
with some help from some midfield as it got moving
again in their back half. So there they sit, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So the three votes Jesse Oogan here's a remarkable figure
in our game. This is his eleventh season. He starts
his life as a pick two and goes through Travail's.
He's at his third club and now he's probably had
the two seasons that he always promised. You've been thinking
about this a lot. What's the moral of the Jesse
Hogan story, well, I.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Think it's timely given the announcement coming out of the
Western Bulldogs today around Jamara Uglehagen, and that is this
is the greatest example for Jamara if he wants to
get a hold of something, and even for other clubs.
Jesse Hogan was in well, I say trouble. He found
himself in all sorts of situations and circumstances that had
Melbourne cutting him loose after he kicked. He gone forty
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four to forty one, forty seven, Melbourne haven't had a
big key forward and it desperately needed. Yet they had
to let him go. Freemantle took him. He had two
really ordinary years, certain goals, five goals, and then they
had to let him go on the basis of not
just footy but off field stuff. And he was in
a hole, Jesse.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
He was in living in the headlines to a far
greater degree than Jamara.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, and you go back to Perth and you're on
your two team town. So we know what Jamara has
gone through, we know where he's at in his foot
in and we'll announce where you know, what's the next
twist in that. But Jesse Hogan was Jamara is what
I'm saying. Jesse Hogan had all of these issues. And
by the time Jesse had left Freemantle after the two
will Fad years, he had one hundred and seventy goals
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to his name from ninety games and it looked like
his career was gone. No one wanted to touch Jesse Hogan.
Eventually the GWS Giants said, well, have you for pick?
I think it was fifty eight or some third round pick.
So Jamara's career has stalled. He's played sixty seven games
for one hundred and three goals, averaging at one point five.
Jesse average one point eight when he was at the crossroads.
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Don't give up on this guy, is the message from
Well for me tonight, because we are now lording Jesse
hogans if not the most important player in the league,
he's in the best five players in the league. He
is a contested marking animal, Colmon medallist who kicks big
bags of goals. You can't find them, Jared. They are
as rare as rocking horse poop. And then you've got
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this bok here. Now I'm not saying he's going to
get there, but don't give up on him. These bugs
go through the trials, and you know, I don't know Jamara,
and I don't know what he's been up to. And
I know he posted that stupid thing about Nick. He
looks like he's immature and battling. Jesse was in a
semi hole and he was given a chance. He got
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into an environment I don't know. I think Shane Mumford
had him living at the back of his house with
his family. Penny dropped. He is now arguably the most
important player in the competition. Picked up for nothing. No
one wanted a bar of him.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Sound familiar, Yes, So don't give up on yourself, I
would says the first for Jamara. There and that's what's
happened today. So j Clark and Lauren would publish the
story in the Herald something. He's gone to an interstate
health retreat, which is a polite way of saying he's
gone to rehab. So this is the moment of facing
up to his challenges and to his demons and of
the responsibilities that may or may not lie ahead. But
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for all that we've known, a lot's been said, but
not much as matched with actions.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
This is the first positive step. Action wise.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
In six months.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
This is his own choice, right, So the Western Bulldogs haven't.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
No, no, This is so the AFL has laid out
a program that he can take up or not, and
that's going to determine his football life. But this is
much more about his real life first, and so to
take that step proactively and who knows is two weeks,
two months, however long he needs to get himself into
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a condition where he's in a better place in his life,
and then whether he wants to contemplate football. The last step,
which will run right ahead to the last football step,
is whether too much damage has been done in this
environment for it to happen there. You say, don't give up,
but it might be the next club or the next Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
This is not a reflection on the Western Bulldogs because
I suspect that done everything they can in this space,
and I suspect it would be in another environment. But
I would love if Jesse Hogan could pick the phone up.
You say, the life you're leading now, you think it's good,
and you think it's exciting and being out and about
and all that. I'll tell you what else is another
really good life? Being the best forward in the competition
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and can ending for premierships. That's a pretty good life
to lead as well, and that's still there for you
if he wants it all right.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's a powerful comparison to make tonight to the top
of the agenda. Well, that's the foot of itself. How
could it not be when it was so pulsating in
tense right throughout the weekends. It delivered a set of
results we hadn't seen for more than half a century,
and it just left you thinking, what around we put
down all sharp objects?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's a one minute and forty seven game on Francis,
where's his wine? Through?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The little launch is long been Lises?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Did you gust the grime? He's there?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
A game?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Saber's that the shotoun moment?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Tell us what was going through your mind, because that
is going to be replayed time and time again over
the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I'll tell you exactly what was on my mind. Was
I left fenlesson get a goll just toty seconds beforehand,
and I said, the next time the boy comes and
I'm going to have to do everything in my hands,
just get this bottles and having it off of just
in back at the voting, fell in my lap, water
mant choice.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Water mark. Every shot, there's a moment's at the cane moment,
where were you? Winning the orangemand saved the game. I'll
tell you what if I get over the londy in
that man's clanking one of the mark for the year.
This is a chance. They gotta go quick. They gotta
take the risk.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Green lights for the Eagles and kicks into the middle
of the ground hunting.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Something wakes up the box. They're going up front.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Came on a horse, he gets in the under the
up cross.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
He's gone, wanna tack on Tom Brown? They getting saving tackle.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Take us through that moment.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You look up, you see an Eagles jumper and you
just go, oh, well, came forward in the center and
I miss the Boddy's ball, So I really had no choice.
I didn't chase him down.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I was getting I was getting smoke.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
To the reviews.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's the tackle of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
The ex celebration was incredible.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He just got goosebumps. He's kept it for he understands
the game and knows what's required in certain moments. And
to miss that spoil and then to.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Flick the switch to chase.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
This why he's such a good part you do.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It's the shaddering ball pits who were in the game of.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
The e last Satday, not Twine. I think at this
one guys out at the top of that from about
forty outs the glitch, it's my post and these doncasts
are coming of the age and demons. Absolutely pumped. He said,
he's saying his first breath in twenty minutes. He should
be pumped.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
That's a big win. The siren, the giant tun of
a girt, their fifth victory in a row at the cannery.
Oh the tigers HiT's off a yellow and black today
it's yellow.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And top brown.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Richmond back Tad puts, it's been a today Tarry met
marks and fans will.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Sing that song with join.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
It's one of the all time Pride showdowns.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
That wasn't a showdown, that was a showcase.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
But all the going for the win here.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And I are going for glory. If Stevens lets it
slide forward, just stand.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
He already has one goal.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Handle the angles had to be a handle.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Johnny want to opportunity picks a bat here.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
By paying Jack paying paying in the barn on that
occasion for North, it's going to be a draw seventy
one a piece.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
O Gee, I lock extra tour. I reckon what d
be the fund of footy? A bit more drama. I
think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
More drama. How can we take any more through some
of those moments?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And then the prospects of the team's got a bit
to work through. The mark. You were there for it,
the mark. What I would love people to do, if
they are footy heads, is to if you can hit
your slow mo, if you hold the remote down on
play it or slow mode, you know the right right,
and then just slow mo the mark from about here,
and then just put yourself in his position. So he's
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just going back. He's going back, and he makes a
decision about now where he says, right, I'm going to
open a rib cage, my spine, the back of my head,
my shoulders are opening all of these organs to anyone
who wants to come from forty meters away to jump
into me. It is unnatural. No wonder well, maybe three
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or four in the history that I've been watching just
did it naturally. Everyone else who is in that position
has to ball up their courage and make a conscious
decision to say I am prepared to do myself enormous
damage here in the process. And so once you make
that decision that turns you into a hero for me,
then completing the mark is the next thing. And he
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marks the footy. So the context I've seen, We've all
seen the great marks. There's a moment where you've got
to decide. Jared, You've got to decide. Nick Revolt's got
to decide when you ran with a flight, the big
fella next door has got to decide, Yeah, I'll go
and see you. I might smash myself. Mark Keane did
it and help save the game.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Meritorious an unforgettable moment for him. The rundown tackle at
the MCG Tom Brown. How perfect that it was the
rundown tackle which for a few weeks has been debated
either for the consequences of it all for the giving
away of a free kick. So in the moment he
sets out after Gross, I love the motivation of both
those two players, going, I've got to make amend this
for what just happened. He's not only got to get there,
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he then has to affect the tackle without giving away
a freaking in the back, without slipping low, so he's
got to get it just right and then tackle, roll
and release an arm, so it's to not give away
the freaking and risk suspension. This is just utterly brilliant
in the way that he not only saw it, went
after it, but executed it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And we when we dissected all of this with the
Curtis thing, we said, you were asking a lot of players, Well,
we can ask, but this is the answer to that
is we can ask a lot of players because the
state as high here, the pace and the velocity is
as high as the Paul Curtis thing, and he was
able to compute all of that and make that decision.
So do we ask a lot of them, which we
said we do, Yes, we do, but the players can
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handle it. And that what do you say if I
didn't do it? After the body smell, I was going
to get smoked in the room. Smoked in the review
might be the classic call of the year. And then
Adam Moosey said, he's a great lad, Tommy brown he's
Paul brown Son, he's got the footy chip. I love
that that vernacular as well, so he's a footy head.
So it was beautiful. I loved it and good on.
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The Tigers had a moose three wins out of night
yeah nice, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And they've had moments. They've got the Seth Green flip
and now they've got the rundown tackles, so.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
They've got some They've got some kids in there who
aren't taking too much notice of right now, Jared, who
are six foot six and above, lookout extra time.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So I haven't sat with you before after a drawer
are you? Are you with or against Fag's here one
of the most sensible, pragmatic men in the game.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yep, I'm against it for me a drawer as a result.
That's the way I say that, So I don't need
to go to extra time. I am amused by the
fact that we've got three different rules in the AFL
for home and away all finals bar of the Grand Final,
then another set of rules for the Grand Final. But no,
I'm happy. I'm happy to accept the home and away
result as a drawer. Two points apiece makes the ladder
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a bit more interesting, So you extra time.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm a moderate on this, but if you want to
entertain me for six more minutes, I'm totally up for it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, it would be entertaining, but I'm happy to accept
that the drawer as a result that doesn't come around
to of them.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Two clubs who disappointed last week were the Giants and Sons.
They both planted their flag in different ways, one in
a hostile environment and one who is making the top
end their own. The Giants first, who revisited an old
theme down at GMHBA, and there's not many teams who
can make an opposition's fortress their own stronghold.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Look, this is one of the moments that struck me.
So Mark Ltza's took that mark and then Patrick Daningerfield
took the ball. Now you know that's Mark Letzev knows
that's his mark. If you want to kick that goal
and be the hero, you know, only Patrick Dangerfield walk
away with it. So that was just a little one
for me in what was a game a great consequence
and lots of storylines. But he gone, let's he said,
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I don't know, I don't want to do it, don't
give it to me, you do it, and this is
what happened. So maybe harsh, but if you want to
be that man, you're going bugger off Danger I marked it,
I'll kick it and they fell short, so spectacular win
for Giants. And they are the stage last year last
week where we went through some numbers and looked at
the way they played and started to question that they
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had the sort of midfield depth that big finals teams needed. Well,
you know, they threw Toby into the middle, they got
the run and Dare back off half back, and they
had the big Vela up forward. So any one that
beats Geelong down there, for mine is a serious, serious
footy club and they've done it five in a row.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And the Suns and our seven and zero in Darwin.
The best part, or one of the best parts of
what they do is I think there's this misnoment that
these games aren't very good because it's height and the
slippery They make this a high scoring venue. They're averaging
about one hundred and sixteen points in each of their
seven wins. This got thrilling late as the Dogs closed
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and they tested the metal of the Sun, so it
looked like they'd won it, they'd won it on total merit,
and then all of a sudden they had to go
and win it again. And this was probably the most
impressive aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I think the win that they had when aside such
as the Western Bulldogs who are playing with such confidence
and dare come back at them in this manner that
maybe in the past you see this side accept that,
but they didn't. And I think it's a really really
significant win for them. And now they've got Hawthorne coming up.
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They stay up there naming hardwicks and join us in
the moment. So we'll find out what they're up to.
But tell you what, if they can bowl over the
Western Bulldogs in Hawthorne in consecutive weeks, then or the waiting,
well they weren't like I saying that, but the waiting
won't be over.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, they're six and two now with the game in hands,
and then Thursday night, which is such a big occasion, the.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Game against Esendon up there lead down the trail something special.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I wonder if it's a nuisance that it's been pushed
later here it is.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Let's talk the Bombers.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They are five and three, so before we launch, it's
worth saying they have beaten the teams who currently sit
in thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth. So for a
team that is off eleven wins two years in a row,
they're taking the scalps that they should. Now the Swans
are a team coming out of the Grand Final, so
take that for what you like. When Brad Scott was
here after the diabolical performance against Adelaide, we quized him
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on the defensive integrity of the team and the system
that really hadn't been in place.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Either at Essendon or on his watch.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yes, and that's actually what's revealing itself in recent times.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, in a really positive way, which is I think
great encouragement for Essendon and Essendon fans. I wonder if
they sit there and notice that or they just get
caught up in the victories, that the truth will be
told in the telling of the next three or four weeks.
I think for this footy club, they did what they
needed to do against the teams that are positioned where
they're positioned. And if you wanted to try out your
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new resolve as a defensive unit, then they were the
teams that you needed to put it in place. And
then sit back and say watch And then I'm sure
the boys who follow us will document the actual numbers.
They can look at that block and say, yes, we've
implemented this new role or this new system. Also no
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new system, but we've paid much more attention to the
way we want to play and we've ticked those boxes,
which puts us in this position now. And the tests
are coming. So the stress test on how good defensively
they are Jared is coming. They could do is beat
what they've beaten and that's a pretty damn good result.
The one losses against the ONANSAC day against the red
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Hot magpiles, so that is just ticking all boxes that
right there, and all of the defensive numbers you'll see
on the couch. I'm sure they tick all those boxes.
Get ready for its coming.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So Brad vowed to be competitive while rebuilding that they
would do both at the same time. And it feels
like the three planks that they're working on is one
develop the players that they've already got.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
These are not to be discarded.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
They have to be as good as they can be,
refine and implement the system that they will use when
they are ready to rise. And then the third plank
wits they've got the cachet of draft picks where they
need to hit their A grade talent to add to
what they've got. Now. The emergence of zachared this was
always what they were hoping for and that's before our eyes.
Zach Merritt, we know is the standard bearer Durham to
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win a stoppage for your life the forwards. This Caddy
is clearly going to grow into that player over the
next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
CaCO does his.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Bits and pieces so that last piece of the influx
of multiple A grade talents which they'll fork us them
hope that they get. That's the path to their full rebuild.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
And so to get to where they are you had
to be absolutely clear and where you were, and I
think from where I see for the first time in
a long time, they know exactly where they are as
a football club and where they're heading, just whether they
can get there or not.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
One of the lingering questions for a lot in the
football world at the moment is there's still a football
accident And the answer is yes to those who believe
that all of these things are outcome driven. When there's
a concussion, there's going to be a suspension, that's not
the case, and the Luke McDonald's case will stand as
the next piece of testaments to that. So he collides
with Barry, it's an awful collision with a terrible outcome.
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Berrys left can cast. They're both split open as a result.
The question is did Luke McDonald elect to bump And
the answer is clearly not. He was focused on the
ball and man in the mark. He was completely unaware
of Barry's presence until the last moment Barry changes direction
and suddenly they're on each other. McDonald doesn't even get
to finish whatever he was doing is flint Reactually he
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doesn't even get to finish doing it, and bang there
they are. But that is not an immediate suspension just
because it results in a concussion.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And that's a good thing. And that's the continuing education
of all of us in the footy world. And that
chase down tackle is still very much alive. And if
you tackle in the right manner, which he did, Tom
Brown at Tom Brown, and if that young West Coast
player had to hit his head in that process, with
Tom having let the arm go and go on to
the side and rolled, and that's a footy accident, Jared,
(23:30):
That's a footy accident. So no problem with that at all.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It should be reassuring to all those who worry there
is still a football accident when there's no call.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It was a great round of footy for all those reasons.
All right, what a greatund Let's bring in our coaches,
shall we?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Who lived either side of its dam in hard weeks.
Stays in Darwin with his team. They play Saturday and
they play Thursday. Or Dean Cox. He's got a fair
bit to do on that magnet boarder. At the moments
he searches for a winning formulae
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