Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Tuesday 17th June with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon return for another edition of AFL 360. The panel discusses the multiple injuries picked up in Round 14, focussing on Carlton’s Harry McKay & Charlie Curnow and the West Coast Eagles’ captain Oscar Allen. They then look forward to Friday night’s crucial clash between the Brisbane Lions and Geelong Cats at the GMHBA stadium, where the Lions don’t have many happy memories in recent times. Plus, they play real or overreaction about the St. Kilda Saints.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Harry McKay undergoes surgery on his troublesome knee, adding to
a hellishly interrupted season, while Oscar Allen might have played
his last game at West Coast.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The road ahead for Saint Kilda.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Can the draft, talent and trade targets lift the Saints
from the mid table nightmare and.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
The raigning Brownlow and Coleman medallists Together On Players Night,
Patrick Cripps and Jesse Hogan join us.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We've talked about his step into it, embrace all of it,
hit in the room and eat it.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain cape
the man on They played the best footy I've ever
seen at the start of the season.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
And Andrew said President left the cup over said, of
course they do.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It is the stuff that legends are made of. What
is holding the ball?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I can do something.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get on the board.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Sex meet the fans, lover and with no fans, no
through sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The Angels are a bit nasty this Tuesday night. We'll
get to those shortly gas. But could you see Patrick
Cripps put in the brown low metal around the neck
of Bailey Smith.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, I could, Jared.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I think I was going to say reluctantly, but if
he's in front at the end, you'd be worthy winner.
But I've just done a little bit of homeworking here.
Max Holmes is coming with a rush, so all of
a sudden you've got competition. So you go back to
two thousand and five Cousins twenty he won it with twenty.
Those are on twenty halfway through the seventh round and
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Daniel Kerr was nineteen. I mean Akka won with twenty
three and Michael Boss nineteen, so it can still be done.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Max Holmes is coming. He's an eyecatcher, Jared.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
He is an eye catcher.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Ow good to have. Jesseygany be awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Looking forward to it a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Actually, there's a lot of key forward activity for you
to Patrick Cripps and Jesse Hogan together. Ray Chamberlain's taken
a special assignment about Sam Darcy and the challenges of
an umpireing a forward, so all bit of real overreaction
with As and Kilda Bentz. Then midweek tackle Lauren Woods
will lead the lads through the latest footy news that's
(02:09):
kicking around tonight Tomorrow night. Patrick Dangerfield is our headline
guests ahead of Game three hundred and fifty. Our coaches
will turn their eye to all matters footy and Brendan Favola.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Is going to stop by Ray Chamberlain with samda on
Sam Darci must must watch because this is going to
becoming during conversation through the rest of the years, this
huge man starts to dominate the competition.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
All right, we start Tuesdays with a favorite. This was
an easy choice tonight. It is thirty years ago to
the day, June seventeen that one of the most famous
State of Origin games was staged at the MCG. You
were telling me about this a week ago. It is
thirty years ago today that EJ. Lapp was the starting
point of it. Wow, and the raw emotion that so
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many felt that day, father and son together you put
us in the rooms for that. What a backdrop that
was for ninety what's thirty years ago today? He had
magnanimously handed the captain.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
One word, Jared, Yes, look you want to have a
look at those highlights. This is so good and if
you don't get excited about stage footy.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
On the back of this. This is Plugger.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I was playing half forward in a forward line that
had Stuart Lowe at Cinna Ford, Plugger and Gary Abbott
coming out of the goal square od Jes. It was
hard to get a kick there, and I'll tell you
right now, and those two men were on fire.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
But you did manage to get a kick.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now, I'm going, where's the fifty or whatever?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
The fifteen or whatever it was?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
The fifty, Sure it was a fifty, but no it.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Was Look it's that baby going.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
There's an awesome day. And those two blokes. Just have
a look at them, Mark Bay. Look at all these
players under Andrew Jarmon played well that they pulcouts lit
the joint up.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Basi is playing at center back.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's his only kick on his right foot in his career,
and he hits Tony like a lace out and.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Then Plugger goes back and drills it.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And then in the end the two of them, Plugger
and Gazza just started together.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, it had a bit of.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Fun for young ru here.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, Rue was there. He played a good game. From memory,
I have to go back and watch this guy.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, so Ablet's fed Plugger. Plugger returned the favor.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
There's two are waxing.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So they're taking the mick at this stage because we
gave him a fair old belting from memory. And that's
why I magnanimously just deferred to the great man and
let him come out and cap them.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Seven for Plugger, four for Ablett and Couchy kick three.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's outstanding. God is a good player.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Paul couch put a hockey was playing that day, living
all those names in there. So David Young, David Neats,
Jimmy Stein's, Steve O. Schwader, this was the day's as
sauce in the back line. Nathan Burke was playing. So
this is why I stayed foot. He works, Jared is.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
When they all stick their mids up, it's nothing better.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Sixty three point victors.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Now it's a special night because these have been freshly
minted for the occasion. And this is for you, replica,
full replica the right badges and the collar.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Is this for miss the collar on sale?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
They really gone on sale today wow AFL stores to
mark the thirtieth anniversary one of the most famous origin games.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Go ahead and get one, just wear somewhere and just
be proud one too, Jared, No, and you like the
Farno woll the mist Gids and we're at home, all right.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
So that's a Tuesday favorite, if ever there was one.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I love it. Roth to Flyer.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
All right, let's get into the agenda. It is dominated
by injury news, and the injury news is bad at Carlton.
Harry McKay has undergone arthroscopic surgery on his knee, so
it wouldn't respond last week to the increased load. Michael
Voss just planted the seed of trepidation in his postgame
press conference and that has come to pass. He's had
a hellishly interrupted season games. He's played seven out of
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the thirteen games. So he was there for the Richmond game,
then he took his mental health break.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
He came back.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
God can Cuss had the facial fractures, plays five in
a row, including stirring turns against Geelong as the scene here,
and the silar against sin Kilda, and now it's knee
surgery that is going to keep him out until the
right at.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
The back end of the season.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, the most important thing was he got back and
played a couple of outstanding games Jared, because I would
hate to have seen him go off, you know, potentially
for the rest of the season without reminding himself and
the rest of the foot he will just how good
a player he can be.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And I know that.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, there's lots of conversations I had around the Carton
Fords and I've heard his name mentioned in dispatches. From
a trade point of view, I don't think that's what
Carlton will be looking.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
At right now.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And you know, when you get back to it to
have Kerno and I don't think they might take them
made the most of it of Charlie and Harry, but
I'm glad he came back and dominated against the Geelong
Football Club, who we wrote so very highly because that
just reminded everyone that and he's best.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
He's an elite operator.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So no luck and potentially this weekend, I'm not sure
where it sits with Charlie, but Sam Walt's definitely out.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, so no calf damage.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So six to eight turnarounds, has to get through training
on Thursday to prove himself. This is significant against North
He's kicked eighteen goals in the past four against the Kangers,
so he's had away with them, they.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Will be sitting in a game resting.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Don't take a risk with him, and it would be
I'd imagine if he well I don't actually know, but
he came off the ground, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
With that?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
This calf injury against the West Coast Eagles in a
game that they pretty.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Much had in hand after court a time.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So they may have been ultra conservative Jared and they
So from that point of view, there'd be a chance.
But if it's a general tightness of a soft tissue
like a calf, you wouldn't play off six days.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But they may have been ultraconservative.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So how worrying that the Blues are tenth.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
They're six and seven, they've won their two off the buy,
they've played stirring first terms and we'll talk to Patrick
Crips around the rest of it. They came undone through
injury in part late last season and they are dealing
with that again right now.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, obviously it's a massive challenge. It's not who, it's
not how many injuries you get necessarily, it's who you
get them to. But they've also demned straight to capacity
to rise without some of these place through that time.
So yeah, I mean, it's pretty desperate now though, and
we'll talk to Patrick when he comes in here. He
would be aware of that, but no Sam Walsh in
the middle of the ground, he would be shouldering a
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pretty big burden in the coming weeks. And so from
a Kangaroos point of view is that they're sitting there
now going right. This is not that they don't get
themselves up for a game, but when you get opportunity
presented to you, potentially know how potentially no Charlie, potentially
Sam Walsh.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, they're coming at you big time thinking that they
can win.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And so maybe the biggest four weeks for Patrick while
he covers for a couple of.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
His motes Oscar Allen, the injured news came back. It
wasn't the plantarist that West Coast we're hoping for, which
would have been short term. It is instead calf and
achilles damage. No surgery required on the achilles, but it's
a medium term injury. So you can sort of start
you counted about five weeks here. The long term asset
is not damaged, but the medium term is going to
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be compromised. There's only nine games left in the Eagles season.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, Now, Oscar has had one little misstep depending on
who you talk to this year. Already, from a captain's
in leadership point of view, the path forward is clear
for him. He leads from the sidelines as hard as
he ever has, as hard as he captain this side.
If he's out for four weeks or six weeks, he's
doing everything in his power here and he's not talking
about whether he's going to be there at the end
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of this year. He fronts his group and says, listen,
I'll be here every single morning, So anyone wants to
do extra gym session, I'm there for you. Anyone wants
to do some more ballwork while I'll be there, and
just go over and above in the next six weeks
while he's out with injury, and be the captain of
the football club that you're elected to be. That is
the only choice for us, Grewllan. None of this bulldusks
about oh will he boo there? Do they put him away?
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And will he go to Brisbane? You're the captain of
this football club, captain, whilst you're injured on the boundary,
they need you more than they ever have your leadership
and support.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Andrew mcqualto who's going through a really difficult time.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
As a young coach, and be he's sidekick and get
these boys up for the next six weeks. That's your
job as captain of the footy club. Not worrying about
you know, we're they're going to be there next year.
Do what you're there to do this year. I like
that simple. Yeah, everyone else is going to want to
fold the tent here.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Don't fold the tent. Go and get out and work
harder than you ever have as a leader of this
football club.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
All right.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So that's the injury news as it's landed on a
Brisbane Lions front.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
They're going to come to Victoria tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So the extended lead up to a Friday night that
has added magnitude is time to rise to the occasion.
For the Lions. It's a bit don't invent a crisis.
They've lost two or they've won two of their past six,
which we spoke about at length last night. Their games
in some sort of order, but this is a long
drought that they have experienced at Scadenia Park at GMHBA Stadium.
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It's quite the losing streak to overcome. Ryan Lester gave
any insight into the thinking for the Brisbane I.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Think it's more what's the best prep for us to
give ourselves the best chance.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
To get the resultant.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I think between the leaders and Fags and d D
sort of decided that Wednesday because obviously you fly to
Melbourn and then drive to Geelong, so that gives us
a full day Thursday to then you get some quality
out of our captain's run and then leave into Friday.
So yeah, whilst we haven't done it before, we did
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something similar for the Grand Final, so yeah, it's our
best preparation to give us sales the best chance.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Then why not it adds.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
To the magnitude of the build up down the highway
on Friday night when the Cats and the Lions meet.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I reckon total sense.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Then it makes total sense.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I mean, don't shy away from the fact you've lost.
You've only one two of your last sex you haven
one down there since two thousand and three, that's thirtey
in a row.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Make it a bit special, build it up.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
They't be scared to build it up and invest heavily
in it and then go what if we don't win? No,
No invest in this like it is the biggest game
of the year and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
They've put well, they've played against teams who have put
everything on the line. I reckon the Giants played as
if their season was at stake. Melbourne certainly did when
they went up there. So to flip that around a
little bit, is they should feel it?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, one hundred percent they should.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And as we said last night, the man in charge
of this group knows all about this. There's nothing that
he hasn't seen in footy and understanding emotions and what
sort of leavers to pull.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And I like the.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Fact they're going to get down there a little bit
early and do something a little bit different. And you know,
there is a bit of backs to the wall about it.
Two wins and six and all of a sudden you
lose Jack Payne. So there is a bit of galvanizing
income together, so that man Darcy Ford's going to be important,
Darcy Garden is going to be important.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So that the track watchers clearly identified that Darcy Gardener
is going to be the replacement for Jack Payne.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Just in the way the session.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Fly, it appeared the obvious, doesn't it really When he
spent a hell of a little time back there. They've
been pinch hitting with him forward a bit, but he's
the obvious one.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
When fague started, he had all of those things the
Lions hadn't done for such a long period of time.
I presume they've all been ticked off barra Win down
to Geelong.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
There's a long time two thousand and three, Jared, So
this would be the time for them to get up
and about.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I think it's going to be to be fantastic, and
just because they are a team who were always seemed
to be sell and control themselves the Brisbane line, so
there could be a bit of well you think a
bit of emotion injected into this to get themselves up
all right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
The other side of a Patrick Daniefield joins us tomorrow.
Nice the furnace, So the furnace softeners the hottest topic
of the week. Ross lyin here last night was captivated
on a few fronts as he laid out the challenge
befoce and killed us. So with a bit of unrests
in the background, we've all tossed it in. It's red,
white and black in the furnace.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
It's easy to have fun when you're winning, right Like
winning's fun. Someone said, I gave him as break all
the time. Can't be more positive. Forget the scoreboard. We're
doing everything right. Clearance is territory, but we're turning over
not trusting the contests. And that was written to angry Ross.
So I actually texted the jurne I said, I'm really disappointed.
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So it tells me the narrative. People are trying to
paint around losses, which I do enjoy. But that's the
environment and the landscape.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, I think there's plenty.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
I hope we were in the top quarter, in the
top four for age experience as a club full cap
max and winning ten games an eleven games. With that profile,
you need to play finals. We weren't and we've shifted.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
They they're just too good.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Do you need the club, the team to look enticing
by the end of the year that the players that
you're trying to attract can see the success.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
We have been trying to run a duel mayor it
even not just throw it all out, and we've been
trying to win as well as play.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
A lot of kids, which we have.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
We have some older players that are informed and we
need to play them and give them opportunity, and if
critician comes with that, well that's okay.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Joggers to the right.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
The best place to be is on top, and there's
an argument that the next best place to be is
right down to bottom.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And stuck in the middle as the hardest place to be.
And they run into comin with the form team of
the competition next. They've got a hard stretch ahead. Slightly
bigger picture than that though for our real overreactions Gas
the Saints are on the right path.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I say real because there's no other path for them
to go.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
They've got to hold a team together, as Ross said,
with their senior players, but at the same time keep
throwing younger talent through. And I guess that's what we
want to see from now to the end of the
year is continue to fold them through and hold up
with your senior players, with your Marshalls and your Wilkies
and those sorts of bokes through The last four Premiers
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have in the last ten years finished near the last
or second last in that time, which.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Takes you back. And this is their point a bit now.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The lowest I've been is sixteenth, but they've just been
around ten tenth, three times eleventh and twelfth, so they're
stuck in the middle. Is beautiful that stuff there, and
that's what Chris was alluding to as well, look at
this and they're a bit the same. They did have
an eighteenth finish eight years ago, but you know it's
always eight, eleventh, thirteen, and eleventh, so you never bought
him out there, so they've got no choice. But what
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is real, what is even more real, is that they
have to be really smart at the draft table, and
they have to really smart at the trade table.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And that's in the hands of two really experienced men,
and it's easy to said than done. But they're out there.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
There are players out there that can help you in
the process without costing your fortune. And then if you're
going to go big, make sure you go get the
right way out and get them and get them. Yeah,
for you, Jared the sayings for an enticing proposition, No.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That's an overreaction at the moment because it's really hard
to see. All you can do is embark down this path.
But I was thinking through the Zach Merritt proposition. If
you've sat down and did the prospecting, did the forecasting
on securita. It's impossible to say how and when they
might be contending for a top.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Four with what they have. But we're about to get.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
A referendum on it, aren't we On two fronts. Nasaiawang
and Miller is inside the environment.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
He knows it intimately. He knows what the ambition and
the dream is. Is he going to stay?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And then Tom deconin on the outside and there's a
bit of trepidation.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Around this now.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Clearly he's taking meetings around what it might look like
to stay at Carlton, where for weeks it had been
assumed that he was going to take the money. So
you have to be able to see more than money.
Where I do sympathize with them is you can't toss
all of these players out. We've seen what that looks
like and it's ghastly. They don't have the luxury of
going zero and ten through the back end of the season,
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getting beaten by sixty and seventy points. And I like
what Ross said about the integrity of selection. If these
players form demands to play them, they must play so
that they can integrate the young players.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
They have played them and they will play them.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And this is where you trust Ross's judgment when is
the right time to play them, that it won't stifle them,
that it will educate them and they come into a
system that has some semblance of order about it rather
than just being tossed into play games. We've seen what
that looks like. We've seen it at Melbourne. It set
them back drastically. We saw it with the expansion team.
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Don't be too young and ruin what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
They've got to come up with some sort of identifiable brand,
I think over the back end of the season so
that prospects look can go. Yeah, I can see myself
in it, and I can see where it will end
up once the A grade talent is added.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And once you met it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I hope by the end of the year we're seeing
Trevalier and Teru and Philippo and Wilson and Boxel all
playing footy.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
That would be a good result if we can get
there by the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
The faithful have lost the faith.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I say this is an over reaction because I've got
faith in the faithful, if you know what I mean,
which is not to say they won't be picking and
choosing every now and then it's folly to suggest that
there's a hardcore that will go anywhere and follow your
footy team, and there are others that will prevaricate based
on a whole host of circumstances, not just the form
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of the Saints. So I've got too much respect and
i don't want to get hounded on Sekulta fans and
they're they're a hardcore, hardy bunch. You're going through hell
and only had one premiership. So anyone that continues to
roll up for the Saints, I'm not going to say
that they've lost faith, but there will be the odd
choice to be made, and I suspect Thursday night at
Marvel Stadium might have been one of those, one of
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those times Ross is being misrepresented real.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I'll say this is real only in so far as
so he told us what happened at Court of Time.
I'll take him to his word on that. But it's
not really about Thursday Night. This is a bigger picture.
So he's been criticized for being too cuddly.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
That won't work.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Too fierce, that's not for this generation anymore. So anytime
he is expressive or demonstrative, he is drawing criticism to his.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
This is caught of time here.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
He needs to do what is right for him and
for his group, and the second guessing he's got to
get results from it. We can't curtail his coaching. He's
been brought in to do this job. He has changed,
He's told us his evolution from the first time he
was there until now. But you can't give up all
of what You can't plicate people on the outside, just
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coach the ears off them and get results when results can't.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
The thing about coaching is you just you've got to
be your authentic self to that's the bottom line. So
I've got no doubt that ross Lin will be his
authentic self and didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Look that didn't look like a bake to me.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I've seen Ross lyinas that looked like enthusiastic encouragement.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Max King is in limbo.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
This is I do really feel for him, and because
the hardest thing to talk about for us externally and
even the medicos which we heard from Ross yesterday, is
to try and ascertain what is going wrong, how much
pain is involved in these things, and how much pain
you can carry. They are the two of the great
unknown questions in footy, and no one will ever be
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able to decipher who that is. That's an individual thing.
Who says that your ability to carry pain or play
with pain is better than mine based on something It's intangible.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
You can't measure it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So and in the meantime, all he wants to do
is come out and repay the faith at a time
when they desperately, deferately need him. And the harder he tries,
the further away he gets from playing footy. So for him,
that's an horrendous position to be in. As a footballer.
You just want to get out and play, and every
time you tea to step forward, there's two steps back.
So I feel for him. I don't question him in
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any way, shape or form. I just hope, you know,
as Ross told us, they've got to go back and
test him, under load and to be something that they
haven't beene able to get a handle.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Hopefully.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
These are the years that Charlie Curno went through when
it looked like he wouldn't get back, but he did, yes,
and we have seen.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
The mist of him. So fingers crossed for him.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Jesse Hogan and Patrick Cripps, two of the most decorated
players in the game. The running Coleman medallists are two
time Brown Bow medallists.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
The Crips of the Desk Jesse from Sydney,
Harry McKay undergoes surgery on his troublesome knee, adding to
a hellishly interrupted season, while Oscar Allen might have played
his last game at West Coast.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The road ahead for Saint Kilda.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Can the draft, talent and trade targets lift the Saints
from the mid table nightmare and.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
The raigning Brownlow and Coleman medallists Together On Players Night,
Patrick Cripps and Jesse Hogan join us.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We've talked about his step into it, embrace all of it,
hit in the room and eat it.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain cape
the man on They played the best footy I've ever
seen at the start of the season.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
And Andrew said President left the cup over said, of
course they do.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It is the stuff that legends are made of. What
is holding the ball?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I can do something.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get on the board.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Sex meet the fans, lover and with no fans, no
through sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The Angels are a bit nasty this Tuesday night. We'll
get to those shortly gas. But could you see Patrick
Cripps put in the brown low metal around the neck
of Bailey Smith.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, I could, Jared.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I think I was going to say reluctantly, but if
he's in front at the end, you'd be worthy winner.
But I've just done a little bit of homeworking here.
Max Holmes is coming with a rush, so all of
a sudden you've got competition. So you go back to
two thousand and five Cousins twenty he won it with twenty.
Those are on twenty halfway through the seventh round and
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Daniel Kerr was nineteen. I mean Akka won with twenty
three and Michael Boss nineteen, so it can still be done.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Max Holmes is coming. He's an eyecatcher, Jared.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
He is an eye catcher.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Ow good to have. Jesseygany be awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Looking forward to it a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Actually, there's a lot of key forward activity for you
to Patrick Cripps and Jesse Hogan together. Ray Chamberlain's taken
a special assignment about Sam Darcy and the challenges of
an umpireing a forward, so all bit of real overreaction
with As and Kilda Bentz. Then midweek tackle Lauren Woods
will lead the lads through the latest footy news that's
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kicking around tonight Tomorrow night. Patrick Dangerfield is our headline
guests ahead of Game three hundred and fifty. Our coaches
will turn their eye to all matters footy and Brendan Favola.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Is going to stop by Ray Chamberlain with samda on
Sam Darci must must watch because this is going to
becoming during conversation through the rest of the years, this
huge man starts to dominate the competition.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
All right, we start Tuesdays with a favorite. This was
an easy choice tonight. It is thirty years ago to
the day, June seventeen that one of the most famous
State of Origin games was staged at the MCG. You
were telling me about this a week ago. It is
thirty years ago today that EJ. Lapp was the starting
point of it. Wow, and the raw emotion that so
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many felt that day, father and son together you put
us in the rooms for that. What a backdrop that
was for ninety what's thirty years ago today? He had
magnanimously handed the captain.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
One word, Jared, Yes, look you want to have a
look at those highlights. This is so good and if
you don't get excited about stage footy.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
On the back of this. This is Plugger.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I was playing half forward in a forward line that
had Stuart Lowe at Cinna Ford, Plugger and Gary Abbott
coming out of the goal square od Jes. It was
hard to get a kick there, and I'll tell you
right now, and those two men were on fire.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
But you did manage to get a kick.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now, I'm going, where's the fifty or whatever?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
The fifteen or whatever it was?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
The fifty, Sure it was a fifty, but no it.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Was Look it's that baby going.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
There's an awesome day. And those two blokes. Just have
a look at them, Mark Bay. Look at all these
players under Andrew Jarmon played well that they pulcouts lit
the joint up.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Basi is playing at center back.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's his only kick on his right foot in his career,
and he hits Tony like a lace out and.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Then Plugger goes back and drills it.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And then in the end the two of them, Plugger
and Gazza just started together.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, it had a bit of.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Fun for young ru here.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, Rue was there. He played a good game. From memory,
I have to go back and watch this guy.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, so Ablet's fed Plugger. Plugger returned the favor.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
There's two are waxing.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So they're taking the mick at this stage because we
gave him a fair old belting from memory. And that's
why I magnanimously just deferred to the great man and
let him come out and cap them.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Seven for Plugger, four for Ablett and Couchy kick three.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's outstanding. God is a good player.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Paul couch put a hockey was playing that day, living
all those names in there. So David Young, David Neats,
Jimmy Stein's, Steve O. Schwader, this was the day's as
sauce in the back line. Nathan Burke was playing. So
this is why I stayed foot. He works, Jared is.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
When they all stick their mids up, it's nothing better.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Sixty three point victors.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Now it's a special night because these have been freshly
minted for the occasion. And this is for you, replica,
full replica the right badges and the collar.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Is this for miss the collar on sale?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
They really gone on sale today wow AFL stores to
mark the thirtieth anniversary one of the most famous origin games.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Go ahead and get one, just wear somewhere and just
be proud one too, Jared, No, and you like the
Farno woll the mist Gids and we're at home, all right.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
So that's a Tuesday favorite, if ever there was one.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I love it. Roth to Flyer.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
All right, let's get into the agenda. It is dominated
by injury news, and the injury news is bad at Carlton.
Harry McKay has undergone arthroscopic surgery on his knee, so
it wouldn't respond last week to the increased load. Michael
Voss just planted the seed of trepidation in his postgame
press conference and that has come to pass. He's had
a hellishly interrupted season games. He's played seven out of
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the thirteen games. So he was there for the Richmond game,
then he took his mental health break.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
He came back.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
God can Cuss had the facial fractures, plays five in
a row, including stirring turns against Geelong as the scene here,
and the silar against sin Kilda, and now it's knee
surgery that is going to keep him out until the
right at.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
The back end of the season.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, the most important thing was he got back and
played a couple of outstanding games Jared, because I would
hate to have seen him go off, you know, potentially
for the rest of the season without reminding himself and
the rest of the foot he will just how good
a player he can be.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And I know that.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, there's lots of conversations I had around the Carton
Fords and I've heard his name mentioned in dispatches. From
a trade point of view, I don't think that's what
Carlton will be looking.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
At right now.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And you know, when you get back to it to
have Kerno and I don't think they might take them
made the most of it of Charlie and Harry, but
I'm glad he came back and dominated against the Geelong
Football Club, who we wrote so very highly because that
just reminded everyone that and he's best.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
He's an elite operator.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So no luck and potentially this weekend, I'm not sure
where it sits with Charlie, but Sam Walt's definitely out.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, so no calf damage.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So six to eight turnarounds, has to get through training
on Thursday to prove himself. This is significant against North
He's kicked eighteen goals in the past four against the Kangers,
so he's had away with them, they.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Will be sitting in a game resting.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Don't take a risk with him, and it would be
I'd imagine if he well I don't actually know, but
he came off the ground, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
With that?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
This calf injury against the West Coast Eagles in a
game that they pretty.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Much had in hand after court a time.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So they may have been ultra conservative Jared and they
So from that point of view, there'd be a chance.
But if it's a general tightness of a soft tissue
like a calf, you wouldn't play off six days.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But they may have been ultraconservative.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So how worrying that the Blues are tenth.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
They're six and seven, they've won their two off the buy,
they've played stirring first terms and we'll talk to Patrick
Crips around the rest of it. They came undone through
injury in part late last season and they are dealing
with that again right now.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, obviously it's a massive challenge. It's not who, it's
not how many injuries you get necessarily, it's who you
get them to. But they've also demned straight to capacity
to rise without some of these place through that time.
So yeah, I mean, it's pretty desperate now though, and
we'll talk to Patrick when he comes in here. He
would be aware of that, but no Sam Walsh in
the middle of the ground, he would be shouldering a
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pretty big burden in the coming weeks. And so from
a Kangaroos point of view is that they're sitting there
now going right. This is not that they don't get
themselves up for a game, but when you get opportunity
presented to you, potentially know how potentially no Charlie, potentially
Sam Walsh.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, they're coming at you big time thinking that they
can win.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And so maybe the biggest four weeks for Patrick while
he covers for a couple of.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
His motes Oscar Allen, the injured news came back. It
wasn't the plantarist that West Coast we're hoping for, which
would have been short term. It is instead calf and
achilles damage. No surgery required on the achilles, but it's
a medium term injury. So you can sort of start
you counted about five weeks here. The long term asset
is not damaged, but the medium term is going to
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be compromised. There's only nine games left in the Eagles season.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, Now, Oscar has had one little misstep depending on
who you talk to this year. Already, from a captain's
in leadership point of view, the path forward is clear
for him. He leads from the sidelines as hard as
he ever has, as hard as he captain this side.
If he's out for four weeks or six weeks, he's
doing everything in his power here and he's not talking
about whether he's going to be there at the end
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of this year. He fronts his group and says, listen,
I'll be here every single morning, So anyone wants to
do extra gym session, I'm there for you. Anyone wants
to do some more ballwork while I'll be there, and
just go over and above in the next six weeks
while he's out with injury, and be the captain of
the football club that you're elected to be. That is
the only choice for us, Grewllan. None of this bulldusks
about oh will he boo there? Do they put him away?
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And will he go to Brisbane? You're the captain of
this football club, captain, whilst you're injured on the boundary,
they need you more than they ever have your leadership
and support.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Andrew mcqualto who's going through a really difficult time.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
As a young coach, and be he's sidekick and get
these boys up for the next six weeks. That's your
job as captain of the footy club. Not worrying about
you know, we're they're going to be there next year.
Do what you're there to do this year. I like
that simple. Yeah, everyone else is going to want to
fold the tent here.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Don't fold the tent. Go and get out and work
harder than you ever have as a leader of this
football club.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
All right.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So that's the injury news as it's landed on a
Brisbane Lions front.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
They're going to come to Victoria tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So the extended lead up to a Friday night that
has added magnitude is time to rise to the occasion.
For the Lions. It's a bit don't invent a crisis.
They've lost two or they've won two of their past six,
which we spoke about at length last night. Their games
in some sort of order, but this is a long
drought that they have experienced at Scadenia Park at GMHBA Stadium.
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It's quite the losing streak to overcome. Ryan Lester gave
any insight into the thinking for the Brisbane I.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Think it's more what's the best prep for us to
give ourselves the best chance.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
To get the resultant.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I think between the leaders and Fags and d D
sort of decided that Wednesday because obviously you fly to
Melbourn and then drive to Geelong, so that gives us
a full day Thursday to then you get some quality
out of our captain's run and then leave into Friday.
So yeah, whilst we haven't done it before, we did
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something similar for the Grand Final, so yeah, it's our
best preparation to give us sales the best chance.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Then why not it adds.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
To the magnitude of the build up down the highway
on Friday night when the Cats and the Lions meet.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I reckon total sense.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Then it makes total sense.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I mean, don't shy away from the fact you've lost.
You've only one two of your last sex you haven
one down there since two thousand and three, that's thirtey
in a row.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Make it a bit special, build it up.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
They't be scared to build it up and invest heavily
in it and then go what if we don't win? No,
No invest in this like it is the biggest game
of the year and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
They've put well, they've played against teams who have put
everything on the line. I reckon the Giants played as
if their season was at stake. Melbourne certainly did when
they went up there. So to flip that around a
little bit, is they should feel it?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, one hundred percent they should.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And as we said last night, the man in charge
of this group knows all about this. There's nothing that
he hasn't seen in footy and understanding emotions and what
sort of leavers to pull.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And I like the.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Fact they're going to get down there a little bit
early and do something a little bit different. And you know,
there is a bit of backs to the wall about it.
Two wins and six and all of a sudden you
lose Jack Payne. So there is a bit of galvanizing
income together, so that man Darcy Ford's going to be important,
Darcy Garden is going to be important.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So that the track watchers clearly identified that Darcy Gardener
is going to be the replacement for Jack Payne.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Just in the way the session.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Fly, it appeared the obvious, doesn't it really When he
spent a hell of a little time back there. They've
been pinch hitting with him forward a bit, but he's
the obvious one.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
When fague started, he had all of those things the
Lions hadn't done for such a long period of time.
I presume they've all been ticked off barra Win down
to Geelong.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
There's a long time two thousand and three, Jared, So
this would be the time for them to get up
and about.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I think it's going to be to be fantastic, and
just because they are a team who were always seemed
to be sell and control themselves the Brisbane line, so
there could be a bit of well you think a
bit of emotion injected into this to get themselves up
all right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
The other side of a Patrick Daniefield joins us tomorrow.
Nice the furnace, So the furnace softeners the hottest topic
of the week. Ross lyin here last night was captivated
on a few fronts as he laid out the challenge
befoce and killed us. So with a bit of unrests
in the background, we've all tossed it in. It's red,
white and black in the furnace.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
It's easy to have fun when you're winning, right Like
winning's fun. Someone said, I gave him as break all
the time. Can't be more positive. Forget the scoreboard. We're
doing everything right. Clearance is territory, but we're turning over
not trusting the contests. And that was written to angry Ross.
So I actually texted the jurne I said, I'm really disappointed.
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So it tells me the narrative. People are trying to
paint around losses, which I do enjoy. But that's the
environment and the landscape.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, I think there's plenty.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
I hope we were in the top quarter, in the
top four for age experience as a club full cap
max and winning ten games an eleven games. With that profile,
you need to play finals. We weren't and we've shifted.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
They they're just too good.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Do you need the club, the team to look enticing
by the end of the year that the players that
you're trying to attract can see the success.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
We have been trying to run a duel mayor it
even not just throw it all out, and we've been
trying to win as well as play.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
A lot of kids, which we have.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
We have some older players that are informed and we
need to play them and give them opportunity, and if
critician comes with that, well that's okay.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Joggers to the right.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
The best place to be is on top, and there's
an argument that the next best place to be is
right down to bottom.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And stuck in the middle as the hardest place to be.
And they run into comin with the form team of
the competition next. They've got a hard stretch ahead. Slightly
bigger picture than that though for our real overreactions Gas
the Saints are on the right path.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I say real because there's no other path for them
to go.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
They've got to hold a team together, as Ross said,
with their senior players, but at the same time keep
throwing younger talent through. And I guess that's what we
want to see from now to the end of the
year is continue to fold them through and hold up
with your senior players, with your Marshalls and your Wilkies
and those sorts of bokes through The last four Premiers
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have in the last ten years finished near the last
or second last in that time, which.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Takes you back. And this is their point a bit now.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The lowest I've been is sixteenth, but they've just been
around ten tenth, three times eleventh and twelfth, so they're
stuck in the middle. Is beautiful that stuff there, and
that's what Chris was alluding to as well, look at
this and they're a bit the same. They did have
an eighteenth finish eight years ago, but you know it's
always eight, eleventh, thirteen, and eleventh, so you never bought
him out there, so they've got no choice. But what
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is real, what is even more real, is that they
have to be really smart at the draft table, and
they have to really smart at the trade table.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And that's in the hands of two really experienced men,
and it's easy to said than done. But they're out there.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
There are players out there that can help you in
the process without costing your fortune. And then if you're
going to go big, make sure you go get the
right way out and get them and get them. Yeah,
for you, Jared the sayings for an enticing proposition, No.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That's an overreaction at the moment because it's really hard
to see. All you can do is embark down this path.
But I was thinking through the Zach Merritt proposition. If
you've sat down and did the prospecting, did the forecasting
on securita. It's impossible to say how and when they
might be contending for a top.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Four with what they have. But we're about to get.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
A referendum on it, aren't we On two fronts. Nasaiawang
and Miller is inside the environment.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
He knows it intimately. He knows what the ambition and
the dream is. Is he going to stay?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And then Tom deconin on the outside and there's a
bit of trepidation.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Around this now.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Clearly he's taking meetings around what it might look like
to stay at Carlton, where for weeks it had been
assumed that he was going to take the money. So
you have to be able to see more than money.
Where I do sympathize with them is you can't toss
all of these players out. We've seen what that looks
like and it's ghastly. They don't have the luxury of
going zero and ten through the back end of the season,
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getting beaten by sixty and seventy points. And I like
what Ross said about the integrity of selection. If these
players form demands to play them, they must play so
that they can integrate the young players.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
They have played them and they will play them.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And this is where you trust Ross's judgment when is
the right time to play them, that it won't stifle them,
that it will educate them and they come into a
system that has some semblance of order about it rather
than just being tossed into play games. We've seen what
that looks like. We've seen it at Melbourne. It set
them back drastically. We saw it with the expansion team.
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Don't be too young and ruin what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
They've got to come up with some sort of identifiable brand,
I think over the back end of the season so
that prospects look can go. Yeah, I can see myself
in it, and I can see where it will end
up once the A grade talent is added.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And once you met it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I hope by the end of the year we're seeing
Trevalier and Teru and Philippo and Wilson and Boxel all
playing footy.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
That would be a good result if we can get
there by the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
The faithful have lost the faith.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I say this is an over reaction because I've got
faith in the faithful, if you know what I mean,
which is not to say they won't be picking and
choosing every now and then it's folly to suggest that
there's a hardcore that will go anywhere and follow your
footy team, and there are others that will prevaricate based
on a whole host of circumstances, not just the form
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of the Saints. So I've got too much respect and
i don't want to get hounded on Sekulta fans and
they're they're a hardcore, hardy bunch. You're going through hell
and only had one premiership. So anyone that continues to
roll up for the Saints, I'm not going to say
that they've lost faith, but there will be the odd
choice to be made, and I suspect Thursday night at
Marvel Stadium might have been one of those, one of
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those times Ross is being misrepresented real.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I'll say this is real only in so far as
so he told us what happened at Court of Time.
I'll take him to his word on that. But it's
not really about Thursday Night. This is a bigger picture.
So he's been criticized for being too cuddly.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
That won't work.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Too fierce, that's not for this generation anymore. So anytime
he is expressive or demonstrative, he is drawing criticism to his.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
This is caught of time here.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
He needs to do what is right for him and
for his group, and the second guessing he's got to
get results from it. We can't curtail his coaching. He's
been brought in to do this job. He has changed,
He's told us his evolution from the first time he
was there until now. But you can't give up all
of what You can't plicate people on the outside, just
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coach the ears off them and get results when results can't.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
The thing about coaching is you just you've got to
be your authentic self to that's the bottom line. So
I've got no doubt that ross Lin will be his
authentic self and didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Look that didn't look like a bake to me.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I've seen Ross lyinas that looked like enthusiastic encouragement.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Max King is in limbo.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
This is I do really feel for him, and because
the hardest thing to talk about for us externally and
even the medicos which we heard from Ross yesterday, is
to try and ascertain what is going wrong, how much
pain is involved in these things, and how much pain
you can carry. They are the two of the great
unknown questions in footy, and no one will ever be
(21:21):
able to decipher who that is. That's an individual thing.
Who says that your ability to carry pain or play
with pain is better than mine based on something It's intangible.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
You can't measure it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So and in the meantime, all he wants to do
is come out and repay the faith at a time
when they desperately, deferately need him. And the harder he tries,
the further away he gets from playing footy. So for him,
that's an horrendous position to be in. As a footballer.
You just want to get out and play, and every
time you tea to step forward, there's two steps back.
So I feel for him. I don't question him in
(21:53):
any way, shape or form. I just hope, you know,
as Ross told us, they've got to go back and
test him, under load and to be something that they
haven't beene able to get a handle.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Hopefully.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
These are the years that Charlie Curno went through when
it looked like he wouldn't get back, but he did, yes,
and we have seen.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
The mist of him. So fingers crossed for him.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Jesse Hogan and Patrick Cripps, two of the most decorated
players in the game. The running Coleman medallists are two
time Brown Bow medallists.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
The Crips of the Desk Jesse from Sydney,
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