Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Tuesday 24th June with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Carlton are well and truly in the furnace as their season hits a season-low, losing to North Melbourne. Gerard and Garry breakdown whether it been an over or under-reaction from the AFL community to the result and calls for change at the club. Plus the AFL's focus on Waverly Oval and how the AFL 360 show last night got Damien Hardwick into some unnecessary trouble.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Waveley Park returns to the possession of the AFL in
an eight figure buyout of Hawthorne. The league set to
utilize its revitalized asset for pathways and umpires.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The tagging debate prompted by the handling of Nick Daykos
raises edge on how to umpire, the close checking.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And Will's long road back. Is the Hawk's young gun
on target for a September revival we.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talked about is a step into it, embrace all of.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It, hit in the room and ret It's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take
the man on. They played the best footy.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I've ever seen at the start of the season and
into President left the couple oder City.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Of course they do. It is the stuff that legends
are made of. What is holding the ball? I don't
think I could answer it clearly right now that I
could do.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Something wrong, you know, And I need to get on
the board sets.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
The fans love it, and with no fans no through
sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The Anti Fund League is at it again. Guys, I
hope you've got some folded in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We've been stung we've been around around the way sort.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Of stung, feels sort of slapped on the wrists, as
if we've got a bit of a detention here. Damien
Hardwick has been fine for flipping the purd He's been fined,
and it's all our fault.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's our fault. He's in his domain where we get
the we get the privilege of putting a camera in there,
and now we're going to find.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Him didn't go to war in the hot passion of it.
We put it to her in the cold light of
day the next night, naively thinking that it was funny.
So just to be clear, we never would have allowed
that to go to air. If we'd realized there was
the risk that he.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Was going to be fined, we might's they've got a steward,
So I suggest a go fund me page, not from
the public internal conal Fox. If you're laughing, you can
contribute as well.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well up for fifty Robbie.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
This is not funny. This is really serious, and it's
think of the children. Think of the children.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Therefore you're pointing that finger.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
This is the stupid, petty nonsense that this administration has
totally lost itself in. It's addicted to fines. It wants
to sanction pick up the phone that it's not really ideal,
a bit of tut tutting dragon. You could make amends
for that at some point down the track. And one
is to hope that when Greg Swan gets there, that
(02:31):
is the big change of culture that happens.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Because Bailey Smith would have benefited, because this.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Is exactly what happened with Bailey Smith.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Not no one picked him up and said so.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Anyway, I think Damien Hardwick had enough credits in the
bank to ride this one out.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
They only won three premierships here along the way coach
Victoria and staged forty two as a player. Not much
he warranted the respect of a phone calls year and anyway, we've.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Copped it and one thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Fine, yep, you'll pay it and we'll move on.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I hadn't even realized it was a possibility. Wisp said
it this morning.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Get you to no, no, don't get you too delivered
us for too long. Well I would have loved it
had you have But no, all.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Right, this is what we have lined up. Harry Sheesl
and Will Day our youngsters on Players Night. Tonight's Ray
Chamber's got double duty. But particularly we want to understand
the umpire and responsibility and the close tag, the hard
tag and real overreaction. It's a Navy Blue Flames.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You will be shocked.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Midweek tackle follows us. They'll be tut tutting the two
thousand dollars for the.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Bird as well. They're in part of the go fund,
Lauren Glenn and especially till we'll go around.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That's immediately following us. And then tomorrow night John Longmire
and Adam Simpson together Simon Goodwin ahead of the game
against the Suns, and that we'll have the teams for
put Adelaide and Carton, which be interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And speaking of interesting, will Horse and Simo contribute in
this fund?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
We might get them to pass judgment anyway, I don't regularly.
Will God help us give us a Tuesday favorite, something uplifting.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So this very very good Collingwood football side whore on
top of the ladd are going to be ten points
clear after they I suggest they'll beat West Coast I disrespect.
They are going to debut a nineteen year old key
Ford of one hundred and ninety four cinemas. My check
thirty two mix Day thirty, Memory thirty one, Cox thirty four.
So what do they do good footy clubs? They plan
for the future, and it was announced today down there
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at Victoria Park. Just keep an eye on the young
man because Craig McCrae has is to want these days
of clubs to be a bit lateral and creative when
they announce the debut. I'm not sure. Charlie West twigged on,
have a listen, have a look. I am fearful done
now that you've done your IDP, so I going to
do their IDP now to check out what's coming up
(04:55):
next on the board here.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
What do you what do you actually think happened?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
We'll ever got around it?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, probably is it, but I didn't see that. Strach writes,
it's all yours. Thanks for everyone to fight upon my development.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay, Peter Gray Grant and side Whine Jackson who ran
the I f L obviously for a long time. I'm
taking it pick fifty in the draft. He's kicked twenty
five goals in ten games. He kicked six last week
against any including the goal after the siren. I watched
these highlights coming we put up his highlights takes big
contested Mark's shared and kicks big long fifty goals, So
it was exciting to see, all right, what do you got?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You live the pre match addresses of Northy and Barm
and Danaherb, but outside vicariously we lived through the little
snipperts that we get. So the Giants have given us
a couple of snippets here. So first had quite the
cautionary tail tour, as it turns out, so Adam Kingsley
in the pre match before they walked out to play
the Suns.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
We're always the hunters, particularly here on our home deck,
our fortress, so we need to re establish that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
We've got great trust and connection.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But trust and connection is around our system, it's around
our communication and that has to be at its highest
level today. Well, let's make sure we have it really
high level trust and connection around system. It's not all
going to go our way. They're going to have moments
of control. We've got to accelerate into those moments. It's okay,
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it's going to happen. They're going to kick a couple
of goals in a row.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Full of goals in a row became four and six minutes.
A souped up opponent. It's okay, it felt a little
less okay, this.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Was more barn than northy, to be honest, that three
games speech. But yeah, then you go out and I'm
sure people love that stuff. I wonder what happens priades
and all fire and brimstarting, no, no, very matter of fact,
and what sort of impact does it have when they
gave out the first four goals in a heartbeat?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So all the best laid plans, of course, don't always
come about. And I reckon Adam Kingsley's watching these goals
go through, and I said, maybe I should have Maybe
I should have got up out of the seat at
some stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
All right, So what do you go to a three
quarter time twenty two points down. You know you've done
this before. This is the three quarter time closer.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So we got thirty minutes to peg back four goals.
Thirty minutes to peg back four goals. Most people are
going to say it's built on the back of taking
the game on and playing super offense.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
But it's a bit more than that.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
It's about our contest, and it's about our defense. Were
turnovers while we're playing, then look to attack, But it
starts with our midfield, get the ball going.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Our way and take them off and then go out
there and kick eight goals in the final.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Term, and they'd be suburban and coach country coaches around
the country watching that game. It's not much different what
I did on the weekend, and it's not it's just
reinforcing what you've been working at since October November, and
then you're hoping that this one resonates a bit more.
And this is what happens when you're coaching humans of
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the emotion. It only takes three or four of those
blogs pre game to be half asleep or not quite
where they need to be. But they were certainly were
here at three quarter a time. And this is what
we've come to respect about this Giants team, that they
do find a way to get themselves back.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And they did have to defend for their lives. They
then take their moments.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, that's a really good point here, because he did
say you think it's go, go go, but they gave
up ott of the hammy inside fifties in that last
quarter and they held up so fascinating. Good on the
Giants putting that stuff out.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
All right, let's get to the agenda. The AFL's decision
to buy back Wavely Park is just about the ultimate
full circle moment in footy. This was the venue that
was purpose built by the league with a mythical future
capacity of one hundred and fifty thousand. It was to
be the home of football and the permanent staging of
the Grand Final. It hosted one and by the time
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it got closed as a matchday venue in nineteen ninety nine,
there wasn't a whole lot of affection left for Arctic Park,
but the decision to buy it back has unleashed a
wave of nostalgia and we shall join in that now.
Everything from World Series Cricket, the Kiss, but as far
as it went as a VFL AFL venue, these are
some of the signature moments. As Peter Hudson he arrives
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in the helicopter that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Is as good as it gets one right there they
come back, he just they flew him in. He'd been
playing footy, den ta has it? And then durmam. These
are things that come straight to your mind, straight to mine,
don't they? I know the big one which I'm sure
it'll be coming up with. Who ELSEO think to run
straight through the middle of ardor rather than go around it.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Grainy vision.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That was a significant night.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
For nineteen eighty seven Night Premiership.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, that was John Northy getting us up and going.
And then this was that not so much. A bit
later on that year in a prelim final where the
Demons six seconds the bore was at full back, been
kicked in from full back with six seconds ago on
the clock and in the end Bucky goes back after
Jimmy just he didn't quite understand what was going on
and the Hawk all of a sudden, the Demons are
out of the Grand Final. The Hawks are back in next.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Year though, And I found this all in my Hall
of Fame research. In nineteen eighty eight the preliminary final
against Carlton, those hearts are still broken. Gary Lyon plays
a pivotal role despised underdogs the Demons that day. So
that's a very fine goal. But have a look at
this for a torpedo and this lived in the imagination
of Melbourne supporters of a certain age.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
This lives. Look that baby go it didn't quite get it, Jared.
This this is bias on our behalf. That won't be
in the great memories. This certainly will will Peter Dacos
and the draw there and look at this that's not
supposed to happen from days. So I know the modern
day player can do anything with the footy, but Peter
Decos was doing it first. So with the Macedonian there
(11:28):
it is. That's the number one. That is the number
one memory that comes into your mind. That's the ninety one.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Look at these, look.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
At Jeff Finn hell is going on me and Baker
Finch gone, I'm not sure this is super Bowl worthy.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And then at night archaic behavior is where they burned
the post. Is this of the post out that man
I grew up just around the on the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, that's nearly my favorite five minutes of the shoulder day.
We love Waveley by going out there to Waveley because
in the days it was you get one trip to
Sydney to play the Swans. That was like I going
on the Hold day and this was the next best thing,
going all the way out to Waverley. Jared and I
also remember the Sun All Stars. I showed you a picture.
This is a team that the Herald well the son
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that was at the day would pick their best team
and then they played the reigning Premiers in the pre
season at Waverley normally in about thirty eight degree heat.
So anyway, it's in the hands the AFL. Now they've
got to use it well.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So the purchase of the ground of facilities is a
rare and timely solution that will help with our talents,
pathways programs, Community forty at umpire development programs, all of
which will now be worked through with the relevant stakeholders.
How can you see Wavey being utilized?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I used to the back teeth they've been screaming out
for grounds. So this has got to be the v
new for the umpires. And we'll talk to Rain a minute.
AFL W I think and embrace it out there the
under eighteens use it. It's beautiful grounds, have magnificent surface.
Jared thefl however, they can utilize this. Just get out
there and embrace this big, magnificent footy ground and I
think it'll be great.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Ray Chamberlain doing double JUDI tonight, welcome and Ray kiddo, guys,
how are he? Is this the potential solution for a
long term home for the umpires.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Well, look, as Gary just said, it's a fantastic surface.
We've been out there to train with Hawthorne on occasion
we all go out, the umpires will go out to
the clubs, and they've got great facilities in there. So
the guts of it is there, above and beyond anything
that the umpires have historically seen.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And you know, the devil will be in the detail.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Obviously there'll be a lot to work through.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
I'm sure the AFL will have plans, but it's certainly
a great step in the right direction if that tends
to be or it turns out to be the home
for AFL elead umporing program.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Preferable to what's in operation at the moment. Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I don't think Adell holds a concert out there. So
the boys should be able to get through summer without
being interrupted, and I think that all goes well for
them being able to bed down their program.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
There would be for scial these an infrastructure in place.
I mean, this is not so long ago. This was
the state of the art facility. Now footing is outgrowing
it a bit, but from an umpiring point of view,
it'll be magnificent.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Everything that umpiring would require on any given day will
be able to be accessed. And that that's a fact
that just removes hurdles that don't need to be there.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Gaming step closer to full time professional umpires.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Step closer to elead umpiring full time. What's full time?
Is it forty hours a week or is it just
your prime?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
If our players a full time they don't do forty hours,
that's the point.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
So just the devil's always in the detail. But yet
lead umpiring is what.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
We're about, and the home for premierships is this has
been the base for Hawthorn's golden era, so beautifully laid out. Yeah,
and I'm half surprised that Melbourne didn't ever consider no
and then there I know Hawthorne feel like they've outgrown it,
but it is so ready made.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah. Actually I went out and spent some time on
CLAK I was coach and walked through it all. And
this was quite a long time ago when indoor kicking
facil these weren't. They're just a standard across the competition.
But to go out there and see them be able
to put up big screens and targets and all that
sort of stuff was groundbreaking at the time. But they
are now going to be the beneficiary of an unbelievable
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facility at Dingley. So they're at the cutting edge. For
Melbourne to go out there, it would be a step back,
I would think to see them go and say, well
it's not good enough for us. We're going out here
to this two ground facility. You can have it, Melbourne.
No for umpires, AFL w under Dings. I think it'd
be absolutely superb. But it is a great, great facility,
great venue, and I think they've made a good decision
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in the AFL.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, great full circle moment. All right, Ray, we'll have
you back in a moment, looking forward to it, all right.
The furnace the Tuesday feature, all the opinions, all the theories,
and don't they rage in every direction when it comes
to one particular club. It's more an inferno than a
furnace tonight, and it is dedicated to Navy Blue.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I think a Carton fan right now sitting what's this
to be saying? What's happened to my proud club? Where's
the fight? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
If you're Michael Boss panicky? The club is overly emotional.
Not the people inside. It's overly emotional and it's bordering
on destructive.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
But where their strength lies, it's in their midfield, but
their identity is lost currently in there.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
They're down on clearances, They're not being Carlton.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
The messaging is not getting through to the players that
there needs to be changed. We've said it, We're all
about the players and coaches. But I think this is
a change that needs to happen, and I think it
needs to happen ASoP.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I think the big.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Issue right now with this Carlton Football Club is the
trust off the field and.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The potential breakdown in relationships between coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And players that is really hard to get back.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
They're at this point in the junction where players can
splinter and go one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You can lean in or you can lean out. How
do they go about that?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
My belief right now is that he's starting to happen.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
He's got to be better Charlie than this does and
get to enough contest. He doesn't want to be the
man miss McGovern let him up in the last quarter
that should have been Charlie, light you up. And Tom
Decunny is going to be the highest played player in
the game next year.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Like you watch that game on the weekend, said he
could be going to some Kilda on one point seven million.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
He's a mile from that level, righty. I haven't seen
in the CEO's role, but I think good clubs don't
get their CEOs too involved in footy. The Carlton are
about to and they should all the.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Carlton supporters at police. So to say there needs to
be a change and it will probably happen in the
next few weeks is my tip.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
As someone that Carlton said.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Today, change is coming as sure as winter changes coming
Thursday night against Port Adelaide, Right, real overreaction from all
of that gaz This is a giant mess.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well I'm going over reaction, which will be a surprise
given that no one was missed there. This talk about
the player splintering, all that sort of stuff that happens
at most clubs at some stage during the year, even
the good clubs, because there's always someone missing out Dart
so there's always someone that's looking for a sympathetic here
and it becomes a problem when so gelady put it
(18:07):
on their gender. I hadn't heard it obviously, but you know,
I'm sure it's happening, but it becomes a problem when
it gets out of hand and they do need to
jump on it. If in fact that is the case.
But it happens everywhere that sort of stuff. I mean,
there's players a bit your moan about not getting opportunity.
But when it gets to be two three four because
the week, players who don't look within look outside themselves
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then go looking for a sympathetic ear So they won't
go to crips and they won't go to Weidering to
talk it through. They'll go to someone and go I'm
done by and they go, yeah, you are, and they
feel that that's when you get a problem. But it'll
be happening everywhere. Jared, so over to you and it's
all over Graham.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Right, Yeah, this is real. This is the whole point
is if you bring the anointed chief executive in and
you put him in the building from December and give
him essentially the research project all the way through to August,
you expect him to do the investigation, to find the problems,
to propose answers, and to take them to the board. Now,
not everything can be rubbers down. It should get to
the board, be debated, ratified, and then implemented. This is
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their moment in time. They have set up for this
deliberate change. It's more urgent than it looked like it
was going to be. It looked like it was going
to be a nice, smooth handover. But it needs to
be disruptive, so he will have He's a great footy mind.
Lay it all out at the right time, take it
to the board and then get busy. If it's radical,
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do it because this path is not working and you
can't sit there and say this is about to be
successful anymore. It might be easier if TDK leaves.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, overaction from mine, I mean, because that's just bringing
it all back to one man. That's just saying the
problem is this that one of our best players wants
to go and he's been poached. You deal with it,
You deal with whatever comes. You make your pitch, you
give your best offer. He's a wanted player, you sell
the club really hard, and then if he goes, you
deal with it. Either way. You just have to deal
(19:58):
with it. I mean, club players and Tom Dekaanning have
left clubs and the clubs have survived and prospered. That's
the message in all this. But he's also talented enough
to keep him and if he stays can be a
good result for the cart and footy club. Number four
is me to you. Charlie's name could be on the
trade table.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So this should be real, but not as a sensational
grab or not as an active retribution is I think
everything should be on the table. They have a lopsided
salary cap and that's going to require rectification. If they
march on with their collection of million dollar players and
what's left at the bottom, that's not going to balance anything.
So they have to work out who has currency. And
(20:36):
this is not for the we're all super coaches on
the outside. We trade everyone who has currency? What could
you get for it? How will it help balance things?
And I wouldn't play favorites. I would study each player,
study the market on each player, and then work out
which is the right move. I think Charlie would be
number one on my list, but he wouldn't be off
my list. And I think you'd have the conversation with
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probably every player bar Weedering, who just signed your whatever
it was, the seven year deal. Could Simo and Horse
do better?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
There is an over to the board. So I've sat
on the coaching panel and got it wrong, Jared. So
these are things that are hard to the track. Records
are such that suggest that yes, they could do better,
but then you've got to go to the heart of everyone.
Can ask them tomorrow night. I'm sure they're going to
be ready for it is to whether or not their
heart and souls in it. And has John Romo got
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a burning, deep down ambition to get back in and
turn for instance, this club around, or has Adam Simpson
had enough time outside to sit back and go throw
me back into this thankless task of ninety hours a
week where you don't sleep at night. And so if
they can tickle that box, then they probably could. But
my suggestion is there some way from that having worked
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from them, But it could change quickly. Buddy might be
the new hot take care.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh this is the real reels? Do you think, buddy,
realise what this was going to look like. But this
is the joy of podcasting is once it gets taken
out of your environment. With Shane Crawford and quite rightly
plastered all over the back page, that is a sensational
thing for Lands Franklin to say that Voss will be
gone in a couple of weeks and should be.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's the master at work, mate. Shane Crawford's got this
weirdly ability to just extract something out of the subtle,
half dumb questioning that is a bit smart. So I
put it down to the master interviewer. I blame him.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Arawford, hot take, buddy, Right, our youngsters are about to
join us here at the desk, Harry Cheesel. It's time
for North to get their plaudits and Will Day. What
is the path towards finals looking like it
Waveley Park returns to the possession of the AFL in
an eight figure buyout of Hawthorne. The league set to
utilize its revitalized asset for pathways and umpires.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The tagging debate prompted by the handling of Nick Daykos
raises edge on how to umpire, the close checking.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And Will's long road back. Is the Hawk's young gun
on target for a September revival we.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talked about is a step into it, embrace all of.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It, hit in the room and ret It's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take
the man on. They played the best footy.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I've ever seen at the start of the season and
into President left the couple oder City.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Of course they do. It is the stuff that legends
are made of. What is holding the ball? I don't
think I could answer it clearly right now that I
could do.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Something wrong, you know, And I need to get on
the board sets.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
The fans love it, and with no fans no through
sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The Anti Fund League is at it again. Guys, I
hope you've got some folded in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We've been stung we've been around around the way sort.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Of stung, feels sort of slapped on the wrists, as
if we've got a bit of a detention here. Damien
Hardwick has been fine for flipping the purd He's been fined,
and it's all our fault.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's our fault. He's in his domain where we get
the we get the privilege of putting a camera in there,
and now we're going to find.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Him didn't go to war in the hot passion of it.
We put it to her in the cold light of
day the next night, naively thinking that it was funny.
So just to be clear, we never would have allowed
that to go to air. If we'd realized there was
the risk that he.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Was going to be fined, we might's they've got a steward,
So I suggest a go fund me page, not from
the public internal conal Fox. If you're laughing, you can
contribute as well.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well up for fifty Robbie.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
This is not funny. This is really serious, and it's
think of the children. Think of the children.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Therefore you're pointing that finger.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
This is the stupid, petty nonsense that this administration has
totally lost itself in. It's addicted to fines. It wants
to sanction pick up the phone that it's not really ideal,
a bit of tut tutting dragon. You could make amends
for that at some point down the track. And one
is to hope that when Greg Swan gets there, that
(02:31):
is the big change of culture that happens.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Because Bailey Smith would have benefited, because this.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Is exactly what happened with Bailey Smith.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Not no one picked him up and said so.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Anyway, I think Damien Hardwick had enough credits in the
bank to ride this one out.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
They only won three premierships here along the way coach
Victoria and staged forty two as a player. Not much
he warranted the respect of a phone calls year and anyway, we've.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Copped it and one thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Fine, yep, you'll pay it and we'll move on.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I hadn't even realized it was a possibility. Wisp said
it this morning.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Get you to no, no, don't get you too delivered
us for too long. Well I would have loved it
had you have But no, all.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Right, this is what we have lined up. Harry Sheesl
and Will Day our youngsters on Players Night. Tonight's Ray
Chamber's got double duty. But particularly we want to understand
the umpire and responsibility and the close tag, the hard
tag and real overreaction. It's a Navy Blue Flames.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You will be shocked.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Midweek tackle follows us. They'll be tut tutting the two
thousand dollars for the.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Bird as well. They're in part of the go fund,
Lauren Glenn and especially till we'll go around.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That's immediately following us. And then tomorrow night John Longmire
and Adam Simpson together Simon Goodwin ahead of the game
against the Suns, and that we'll have the teams for
put Adelaide and Carton, which be interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And speaking of interesting, will Horse and Simo contribute in
this fund?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
We might get them to pass judgment anyway, I don't regularly.
Will God help us give us a Tuesday favorite, something uplifting.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So this very very good Collingwood football side whore on
top of the ladd are going to be ten points
clear after they I suggest they'll beat West Coast I disrespect.
They are going to debut a nineteen year old key
Ford of one hundred and ninety four cinemas. My check
thirty two mix Day thirty, Memory thirty one, Cox thirty four.
So what do they do good footy clubs? They plan
for the future, and it was announced today down there
(04:35):
at Victoria Park. Just keep an eye on the young
man because Craig McCrae has is to want these days
of clubs to be a bit lateral and creative when
they announce the debut. I'm not sure. Charlie West twigged on,
have a listen, have a look. I am fearful done
now that you've done your IDP, so I going to
do their IDP now to check out what's coming up
(04:55):
next on the board here.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
What do you what do you actually think happened?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
We'll ever got around it?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, probably is it, but I didn't see that. Strach writes,
it's all yours. Thanks for everyone to fight upon my development.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay, Peter Gray Grant and side Whine Jackson who ran
the I f L obviously for a long time. I'm
taking it pick fifty in the draft. He's kicked twenty
five goals in ten games. He kicked six last week
against any including the goal after the siren. I watched
these highlights coming we put up his highlights takes big
contested Mark's shared and kicks big long fifty goals, So
it was exciting to see, all right, what do you got?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You live the pre match addresses of Northy and Barm
and Danaherb, but outside vicariously we lived through the little
snipperts that we get. So the Giants have given us
a couple of snippets here. So first had quite the
cautionary tail tour, as it turns out, so Adam Kingsley
in the pre match before they walked out to play
the Suns.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
We're always the hunters, particularly here on our home deck,
our fortress, so we need to re establish that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
We've got great trust and connection.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But trust and connection is around our system, it's around
our communication and that has to be at its highest
level today. Well, let's make sure we have it really
high level trust and connection around system. It's not all
going to go our way. They're going to have moments
of control. We've got to accelerate into those moments. It's okay,
(07:11):
it's going to happen. They're going to kick a couple
of goals in a row.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Full of goals in a row became four and six minutes.
A souped up opponent. It's okay, it felt a little
less okay, this.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Was more barn than northy, to be honest, that three
games speech. But yeah, then you go out and I'm
sure people love that stuff. I wonder what happens priades
and all fire and brimstarting, no, no, very matter of fact,
and what sort of impact does it have when they
gave out the first four goals in a heartbeat?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So all the best laid plans, of course, don't always
come about. And I reckon Adam Kingsley's watching these goals
go through, and I said, maybe I should have Maybe
I should have got up out of the seat at
some stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
All right, So what do you go to a three
quarter time twenty two points down. You know you've done
this before. This is the three quarter time closer.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So we got thirty minutes to peg back four goals.
Thirty minutes to peg back four goals. Most people are
going to say it's built on the back of taking
the game on and playing super offense.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
But it's a bit more than that.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
It's about our contest, and it's about our defense. Were
turnovers while we're playing, then look to attack, But it
starts with our midfield, get the ball going.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Our way and take them off and then go out
there and kick eight goals in the final.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Term, and they'd be suburban and coach country coaches around
the country watching that game. It's not much different what
I did on the weekend, and it's not it's just
reinforcing what you've been working at since October November, and
then you're hoping that this one resonates a bit more.
And this is what happens when you're coaching humans of
(08:46):
the emotion. It only takes three or four of those
blogs pre game to be half asleep or not quite
where they need to be. But they were certainly were
here at three quarter a time. And this is what
we've come to respect about this Giants team, that they
do find a way to get themselves back.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And they did have to defend for their lives. They
then take their moments.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, that's a really good point here, because he did
say you think it's go, go go, but they gave
up ott of the hammy inside fifties in that last
quarter and they held up so fascinating. Good on the
Giants putting that stuff out.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
All right, let's get to the agenda. The AFL's decision
to buy back Wavely Park is just about the ultimate
full circle moment in footy. This was the venue that
was purpose built by the league with a mythical future
capacity of one hundred and fifty thousand. It was to
be the home of football and the permanent staging of
the Grand Final. It hosted one and by the time
(09:34):
it got closed as a matchday venue in nineteen ninety nine,
there wasn't a whole lot of affection left for Arctic Park,
but the decision to buy it back has unleashed a
wave of nostalgia and we shall join in that now.
Everything from World Series Cricket, the Kiss, but as far
as it went as a VFL AFL venue, these are
some of the signature moments. As Peter Hudson he arrives
(09:56):
in the helicopter that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Is as good as it gets one right there they
come back, he just they flew him in. He'd been
playing footy, den ta has it? And then durmam. These
are things that come straight to your mind, straight to mine,
don't they? I know the big one which I'm sure
it'll be coming up with. Who ELSEO think to run
straight through the middle of ardor rather than go around it.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Grainy vision.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That was a significant night.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
For nineteen eighty seven Night Premiership.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, that was John Northy getting us up and going.
And then this was that not so much. A bit
later on that year in a prelim final where the
Demons six seconds the bore was at full back, been
kicked in from full back with six seconds ago on
the clock and in the end Bucky goes back after
Jimmy just he didn't quite understand what was going on
and the Hawk all of a sudden, the Demons are
out of the Grand Final. The Hawks are back in next.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Year though, And I found this all in my Hall
of Fame research. In nineteen eighty eight the preliminary final
against Carlton, those hearts are still broken. Gary Lyon plays
a pivotal role despised underdogs the Demons that day. So
that's a very fine goal. But have a look at
this for a torpedo and this lived in the imagination
of Melbourne supporters of a certain age.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
This lives. Look that baby go it didn't quite get it, Jared.
This this is bias on our behalf. That won't be
in the great memories. This certainly will will Peter Dacos
and the draw there and look at this that's not
supposed to happen from days. So I know the modern
day player can do anything with the footy, but Peter
Decos was doing it first. So with the Macedonian there
(11:28):
it is. That's the number one. That is the number
one memory that comes into your mind. That's the ninety one.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Look at these, look.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
At Jeff Finn hell is going on me and Baker
Finch gone, I'm not sure this is super Bowl worthy.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And then at night archaic behavior is where they burned
the post. Is this of the post out that man
I grew up just around the on the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, that's nearly my favorite five minutes of the shoulder day.
We love Waveley by going out there to Waveley because
in the days it was you get one trip to
Sydney to play the Swans. That was like I going
on the Hold day and this was the next best thing,
going all the way out to Waverley. Jared and I
also remember the Sun All Stars. I showed you a picture.
This is a team that the Herald well the son
(12:24):
that was at the day would pick their best team
and then they played the reigning Premiers in the pre
season at Waverley normally in about thirty eight degree heat.
So anyway, it's in the hands the AFL. Now they've
got to use it well.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So the purchase of the ground of facilities is a
rare and timely solution that will help with our talents,
pathways programs, Community forty at umpire development programs, all of
which will now be worked through with the relevant stakeholders.
How can you see Wavey being utilized?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I used to the back teeth they've been screaming out
for grounds. So this has got to be the v
new for the umpires. And we'll talk to Rain a minute.
AFL W I think and embrace it out there the
under eighteens use it. It's beautiful grounds, have magnificent surface.
Jared thefl however, they can utilize this. Just get out
there and embrace this big, magnificent footy ground and I
think it'll be great.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Ray Chamberlain doing double JUDI tonight, welcome and Ray kiddo, guys,
how are he? Is this the potential solution for a
long term home for the umpires.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Well, look, as Gary just said, it's a fantastic surface.
We've been out there to train with Hawthorne on occasion
we all go out, the umpires will go out to
the clubs, and they've got great facilities in there. So
the guts of it is there, above and beyond anything
that the umpires have historically seen.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And you know, the devil will be in the detail.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Obviously there'll be a lot to work through.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
I'm sure the AFL will have plans, but it's certainly
a great step in the right direction if that tends
to be or it turns out to be the home
for AFL elead umporing program.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Preferable to what's in operation at the moment. Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I don't think Adell holds a concert out there. So
the boys should be able to get through summer without
being interrupted, and I think that all goes well for
them being able to bed down their program.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
There would be for scial these an infrastructure in place.
I mean, this is not so long ago. This was
the state of the art facility. Now footing is outgrowing
it a bit, but from an umpiring point of view,
it'll be magnificent.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Everything that umpiring would require on any given day will
be able to be accessed. And that that's a fact
that just removes hurdles that don't need to be there.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Gaming step closer to full time professional umpires.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Step closer to elead umpiring full time. What's full time?
Is it forty hours a week or is it just
your prime?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
If our players a full time they don't do forty hours,
that's the point.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
So just the devil's always in the detail. But yet
lead umpiring is what.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
We're about, and the home for premierships is this has
been the base for Hawthorn's golden era, so beautifully laid out. Yeah,
and I'm half surprised that Melbourne didn't ever consider no
and then there I know Hawthorne feel like they've outgrown it,
but it is so ready made.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah. Actually I went out and spent some time on
CLAK I was coach and walked through it all. And
this was quite a long time ago when indoor kicking
facil these weren't. They're just a standard across the competition.
But to go out there and see them be able
to put up big screens and targets and all that
sort of stuff was groundbreaking at the time. But they
are now going to be the beneficiary of an unbelievable
(15:14):
facility at Dingley. So they're at the cutting edge. For
Melbourne to go out there, it would be a step back,
I would think to see them go and say, well
it's not good enough for us. We're going out here
to this two ground facility. You can have it, Melbourne.
No for umpires, AFL w under Dings. I think it'd
be absolutely superb. But it is a great, great facility,
great venue, and I think they've made a good decision
(15:35):
in the AFL.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, great full circle moment. All right, Ray, we'll have
you back in a moment, looking forward to it, all right.
The furnace the Tuesday feature, all the opinions, all the theories,
and don't they rage in every direction when it comes
to one particular club. It's more an inferno than a
furnace tonight, and it is dedicated to Navy Blue.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I think a Carton fan right now sitting what's this
to be saying? What's happened to my proud club? Where's
the fight? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
If you're Michael Boss panicky? The club is overly emotional.
Not the people inside. It's overly emotional and it's bordering
on destructive.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
But where their strength lies, it's in their midfield, but
their identity is lost currently in there.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
They're down on clearances, They're not being Carlton.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
The messaging is not getting through to the players that
there needs to be changed. We've said it, We're all
about the players and coaches. But I think this is
a change that needs to happen, and I think it
needs to happen ASoP.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I think the big.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Issue right now with this Carlton Football Club is the
trust off the field and.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The potential breakdown in relationships between coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And players that is really hard to get back.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
They're at this point in the junction where players can
splinter and go one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You can lean in or you can lean out. How
do they go about that?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
My belief right now is that he's starting to happen.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
He's got to be better Charlie than this does and
get to enough contest. He doesn't want to be the
man miss McGovern let him up in the last quarter
that should have been Charlie, light you up. And Tom
Decunny is going to be the highest played player in
the game next year.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Like you watch that game on the weekend, said he
could be going to some Kilda on one point seven million.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
He's a mile from that level, righty. I haven't seen
in the CEO's role, but I think good clubs don't
get their CEOs too involved in footy. The Carlton are
about to and they should all the.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Carlton supporters at police. So to say there needs to
be a change and it will probably happen in the
next few weeks is my tip.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
As someone that Carlton said.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Today, change is coming as sure as winter changes coming
Thursday night against Port Adelaide, Right, real overreaction from all
of that gaz This is a giant mess.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well I'm going over reaction, which will be a surprise
given that no one was missed there. This talk about
the player splintering, all that sort of stuff that happens
at most clubs at some stage during the year, even
the good clubs, because there's always someone missing out Dart
so there's always someone that's looking for a sympathetic here
and it becomes a problem when so gelady put it
(18:07):
on their gender. I hadn't heard it obviously, but you know,
I'm sure it's happening, but it becomes a problem when
it gets out of hand and they do need to
jump on it. If in fact that is the case.
But it happens everywhere that sort of stuff. I mean,
there's players a bit your moan about not getting opportunity.
But when it gets to be two three four because
the week, players who don't look within look outside themselves
(18:27):
then go looking for a sympathetic ear So they won't
go to crips and they won't go to Weidering to
talk it through. They'll go to someone and go I'm
done by and they go, yeah, you are, and they
feel that that's when you get a problem. But it'll
be happening everywhere. Jared, so over to you and it's
all over Graham.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Right, Yeah, this is real. This is the whole point
is if you bring the anointed chief executive in and
you put him in the building from December and give
him essentially the research project all the way through to August,
you expect him to do the investigation, to find the problems,
to propose answers, and to take them to the board. Now,
not everything can be rubbers down. It should get to
the board, be debated, ratified, and then implemented. This is
(19:08):
their moment in time. They have set up for this
deliberate change. It's more urgent than it looked like it
was going to be. It looked like it was going
to be a nice, smooth handover. But it needs to
be disruptive, so he will have He's a great footy mind.
Lay it all out at the right time, take it
to the board and then get busy. If it's radical,
(19:28):
do it because this path is not working and you
can't sit there and say this is about to be
successful anymore. It might be easier if TDK leaves.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, overaction from mine, I mean, because that's just bringing
it all back to one man. That's just saying the
problem is this that one of our best players wants
to go and he's been poached. You deal with it,
You deal with whatever comes. You make your pitch, you
give your best offer. He's a wanted player, you sell
the club really hard, and then if he goes, you
deal with it. Either way. You just have to deal
(19:58):
with it. I mean, club players and Tom Dekaanning have
left clubs and the clubs have survived and prospered. That's
the message in all this. But he's also talented enough
to keep him and if he stays can be a
good result for the cart and footy club. Number four
is me to you. Charlie's name could be on the
trade table.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So this should be real, but not as a sensational
grab or not as an active retribution is I think
everything should be on the table. They have a lopsided
salary cap and that's going to require rectification. If they
march on with their collection of million dollar players and
what's left at the bottom, that's not going to balance anything.
So they have to work out who has currency. And
(20:36):
this is not for the we're all super coaches on
the outside. We trade everyone who has currency? What could
you get for it? How will it help balance things?
And I wouldn't play favorites. I would study each player,
study the market on each player, and then work out
which is the right move. I think Charlie would be
number one on my list, but he wouldn't be off
my list. And I think you'd have the conversation with
(21:00):
probably every player bar Weedering, who just signed your whatever
it was, the seven year deal. Could Simo and Horse
do better?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
There is an over to the board. So I've sat
on the coaching panel and got it wrong, Jared. So
these are things that are hard to the track. Records
are such that suggest that yes, they could do better,
but then you've got to go to the heart of everyone.
Can ask them tomorrow night. I'm sure they're going to
be ready for it is to whether or not their
heart and souls in it. And has John Romo got
(21:30):
a burning, deep down ambition to get back in and
turn for instance, this club around, or has Adam Simpson
had enough time outside to sit back and go throw
me back into this thankless task of ninety hours a
week where you don't sleep at night. And so if
they can tickle that box, then they probably could. But
my suggestion is there some way from that having worked
(21:51):
from them, But it could change quickly. Buddy might be
the new hot take care.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh this is the real reels? Do you think, buddy,
realise what this was going to look like. But this
is the joy of podcasting is once it gets taken
out of your environment. With Shane Crawford and quite rightly
plastered all over the back page, that is a sensational
thing for Lands Franklin to say that Voss will be
gone in a couple of weeks and should be.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's the master at work, mate. Shane Crawford's got this
weirdly ability to just extract something out of the subtle,
half dumb questioning that is a bit smart. So I
put it down to the master interviewer. I blame him.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Arawford, hot take, buddy, Right, our youngsters are about to
join us here at the desk, Harry Cheesel. It's time
for North to get their plaudits and Will Day. What
is the path towards finals looking like it
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