September 2, 2025 • 22 mins
Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Tuesday 2nd of September with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon return for a big edition of AFL 360, as training mishaps pop up inside the Collingwood camp ahead of their finals run. Garry shuts down rumours around Nathan Buckley having Melbourne's coaching job and Fremantle's Justin Longmuir stops by before his second finals appearance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The training mishap that had Collingwood Heart's skipper beats. Jordan
Degie emerges unscathed, but the Collingwood questions run deep.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
History beckons for the Suns. Richmond Premiership coach Damian Hardwick
joins us a head of Gold Coast's first finals appearance.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And delivering on all the hard work justin Longmuir has
Fremantle poised for home final as the Dockers strive to
make a September impression.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
We've talked about is this step into it, debrace.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
All of it in the room and reason it's unedifying
for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain tape.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
The man on they played the best footy.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I've ever seen at the start of the season and
intud said, President left the cup of Older said, of
course they do.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Is the stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 6 (00:47):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I can do something.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get on the board.
Speaker 7 (00:52):
Sexue the fans, lover and with no fans no through
sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The casting of themes seems rather prominent September.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
We got one in your day.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We need one. We're starting the game, that's right. No,
you asked me this off and have a think. I
don't think we did. But we had a very John
Norley was a big preseason camp man, so there would
always be one event where it was running up Mount
Buller or Mount Bunningong back in those days. They would
get reflected on throughout the course of the season. But
I can't really think of themes I know again, salk
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to Justin Longio. So they've jumped on the America's Cup theme.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
So I was thinking with Sam Mitchell last night.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
He said his group of players, some would eat it
up and some would be the skeptics.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Do you all?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No, I'm a bit more hang on, let me renswer
that back then, very open to it.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I asked the laws and they said, Chris, God, no thing,
We're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
All right, here's what we've got lined up for tonight,
Damien Hardwick and long Mirror. As we complete our privileged
access to coaches and the lead up to September, Ray
Chamberlain has brought some friends in the three emerging female
boundary umpires who saw action in AFL in round twenty four,
so Gretap, Melissa and Caitlin will join us. Then it
gets more significant with each passing week midweek tackle. There's
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so much to deal with on the trade front. So
if you're a supporter of the ten teams out of
business Lauren Wood, John Ralph and Scott Gullan, I highly
likely to satisfy you immediately after us and then tomorrow
night our favorite pairing, Adam Simpson and John Longmire, who
will thrive at this time of year as they did
as players and coaches.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, a tension between the two of them as well.
It's real with Thadam Burn announced as the Jack macay
middle presenter, so I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
What happens in September's track watching becomes more intense. This
is true for coaches, for fans and for cameramen alike.
And there's none better than Tony Scott here at Fox.
He was deployed down at Collingwood today. It's as if
he sees two and three moves. Genius is bit of
match play, a bit of match sim Keep an eye
on Jordan Degoi here with Isaac Quaina coming across his path,
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and then.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
You don't want that moment.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
There's his eyes down there as well, so your heart
goes in your mouth right now, you're going worry a
bit concerned. Yep, I still need Yeah, I think maybe
he's going off. And then when he jogged off by
the end of it, I think, guess he's gone. I've
got the money shot and I've got the finishing shot
to hey, he looks okay.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Came back on trade, Yeah, yep he did.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
He finish the session after a short absence, which given
the form we saw from him in the Melbourne game,
he's such a big factor as we head towards Adelaide
on Thursday nights and he's had wretched interruptions.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It just needs a clear run it September and I.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Think Craig McCray said to us he was preasantly surprised
at how forward, if you want to use that term,
he was in his recent outing. So he could be
the one who helped separate what was such a tight
contest on Thursday. And I can't wait for the game. Honestly.
We'll talk about it again tonight and tomorrow. Yeah, it
just needs to start for all sorts of russ.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
All right, So this was Craig McCrae.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
A little after the blow from de Goys and.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Down he was a bit worried about that. Yeah, No,
he's finally he came back on. He just got a
little bit of a knock on. I just I think
it might have been a Saint col. No, he's finally
came back on. So I think it's crossed her.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
You don't want anyone going down to training at this
time of day or not.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
So Bo McCreary.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
He didn't set the world alights, but he'll play on
Thursday night, the coach said. And then there's the composition
of their team is one of the aching questions out
of the last time was how do they turn seventy
one inside fifties into something better?
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Mason Cox has been thrown up down McStay hasn't been
in great form, though he clawed his way back late
in the Melbourne Games. Do they search for a different
mix or do they stick with what they've got?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know they're suggested mixed as the possibility to go back.
I don't know whether he's a matchup for either Still
Thought Walk or Foggy.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
To be honest, I think Maynard's more like.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
To take the third of those and McCreary brings them
something a bit different.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
How do they make something of it.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think there's a lot been made to the seventy
one inside fifty. It's not being made of the arm wrestler.
I think they revisit the first quarter. They don't forget
what happened in the first quarter, Jared, and I don't
know how good your memory is. Yours is great, but
our viewers they played aggressive, take it on footy in
that first quarter, and they kicked five goals to one.
At quarter time they lead five goals to one and
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there was no arm wrestle. Then it was pretty aggressive
ball movement from the back half. They wanted to come
inside at every opportunity, and it was really good and
interesting to watch. They had twelve to thirteen inside fifties
in the second and kick the point that the five goals,
and then it got into it. Then it really degenerated
into that one behind the footy and let's see what happens.
But look, I imagine both teams and I'm not forgetting Adelaide
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at all in all of this.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
We'll take a fair bit out of it.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But there's a take a bit to take out of
the first quarter, which has been lost a little bit.
You know, we look at it and go, gee, what
a missmash. Not in the first quarter, it wasn't. That
was as good as Colin would have been for a
long time.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
All right, have the teams tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
The other training session of immense importance was at the Giants.
Having spoke to Adam Kingsley last night, which tried to
weigh up his parameters. I loved he defaulted to Mark Williams.
Don't play injured players, so there's the difference between dinged
up and injured, which I thought he helped us differentiate.
You've got to get the medical all clear, and this
was the problem for Brent Daniels today is he couldn't
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get through the session. So of course there's optimism in
the aftermath, but if you were going at face value,
Daniels didn't get through and spoke with the medical staff
and Off and Jesse Hogan did everything that you would
have wanted to see. Toby's he's clearly dinged up, so
he's not doing terribly much at the moment. Cannelio was
preserved around contacts. He's coming back from the concussion, Stringer
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at Kelly, and then it becomes the judgment call it
doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I would imagine as a coach, not having never done it,
that this would be one of the hardest things of all.
And you take your hard line about the injuries, and
when it comes to soft tissues, are you talking Kelly
with cars and Buckley with Carr. Then they would be
the artist ones, so and only they would know they
may have been holding Kelly back for three weeks. You
know that might be the case, so they'll make the
best decision. But when you've got a lot of them,
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and when you've got a group of them and they're
so important, then it makes it problematic.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
And I would imagine it'd be one of the great
challenges for coaches.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Do we go go with what we know and let's
push hard here as opposed to taking the calculated risk.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So good luck because they're really influential players.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Obviously, Hogan and Buckley have a massive say, Stringer has
a massive say, and then well, if Daniels doesn't play NEARLYO,
looks like the concussion will be sorted out. And then
you're looking at Josh Kelly, who runs like no one
else in the game with a few others and he's
got a soft tissue, so that's a hard one for them.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
There's three layers to it, as there's Thursday night selection,
there's are there any late withdrawals?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
And then how does it play out? So we're always the.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Wist you're playing for all the chips.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You are you are away from the final. So Melbourne's
coaching process where the interviews haven't started yet, this is
always going to have a public facing aspect, given that
the central figure is Nathan Buckley. He spoke on couch
last night.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
Still going through my process which I can speak to,
but take Melbourne on face value on who they're interviewing,
of which I'm a part of that group, so they'll
do the due diligence as I will. So we're still
still in the mix. I've never been through a process
like this before either. The succession plan at Collingwood was
pulling in the right direction. I'm up for this, let's
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let's get it done. I'm sitting back and prosecuting this
a little bit more on different levels for myself and
for whether I think it's a fit with Melbourne. So yeah,
it is. It is very different, probably more more particular
and probably definitely more conscious on what can and cannot
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work and not getting not ex as and as the
game plan stuff is totally irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
My view is Bucks has been incredibly open and transparent
as people are choosing to believe there's more going on
than there is, and there are I think grossly unfair
assumptions being made and you know what's going on here, Well,
I know.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
What I'm told, so I choose to believe. So.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Tom Morris reported today that in his opinion, it was
Nathan Buckley's job if he wanted it. I'm told that's
not true, and I believe the people are involved, and
I think it does do an injustice to people like
Joe Watson and Frank Benici, normously respected and tough minded,
think for themselves individuals to suggest that they're going through
this process with a preordained outcome. And I don't believe
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that to be the case. So and people will say, oh,
that's you've been a Melbourne person.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I've got nothing, no vested interest in it at all.
I want the best candidate. I know Nathan Buckley doesn't
think that. He doesn't think that that's the case in
any way, shape or form. So they say to me
that the process hasn't commenced yet, that they have a
short list and that will commence shortly. They hope to
have it an appointment made before Chris, before Christmas, before
the Grand Final, and to suggest otherwise is false. Basically,
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you make of that what you will. I think there's
an integrity around this process and the names that are
associated to the process demand a bit more respect than
to suggest that this job has already been decided.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yes, those who sit on it and then those who
are going to submit themselves to it is you need to,
in good faith go into this believing that you are
it's worth presenting your IP and all your preparation, and
that there is a fair chance of winning the job.
So I have no doubt there's a couple of people
at Melbourne who would like Nathan Buckley as their coach.
That's different to a boat race.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yes, which is what's what was suggested today. Say, if
you are a potential candidate, then.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You need to choose who you're going to believe in
this and I think they've been pretty transparent and upfront
about the whole process. They got into the market early.
There was the potential that it was going to be
a competitive market, but it's not given what happened with
Carlton and VOSSI. So they've been able to take their
time and be considered and be thorough and set out
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a big, big search party of many men names and
narrated it down to where we sit now.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
And that's as I understand.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And I'm told again assured that commences Monday. And again
if you question it, you go on eyeball Joe Watson,
or you go on eyeball Frank Ponisian.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So you wasted your time. This has been decided. I
think that's a nonsense, all.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Right to our two coaches who are on Judy at
the moment, let's start over in Perth. Freemattle should be
well versed for what's to come. They won convincingly through
the eliminator to set up the eliminator that they'll host
in Perth.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Who was talking a lot, we're going to miss the finals.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
A full faith in this group to be able to
go over there and get it done and play away
and confident that our ways enough.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yet I don't know whether he had to be put
up to do it or he just got.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
On the front foot and went whack.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But that is exactly the mindset that their club's got
to come to a naval stadium with on a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
As close as you can get to a final.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
The anxiety levels might even be higher.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
The consequences for the loser.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Are grape likes that sort of performance coming all week
from the attitude of the players.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
This is b special for the Dockers.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
This is the best version of the Dockers. Charge and
charge and charge again.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Finally, the Doers, I'm coming back to the finals.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Where's to Norway about presser amount? History?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Come out?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Hate, what the best?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
How's that frinancing?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
That best?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
For he has been against the best side, so we
should be full of belief and understand that we can
beat anyone.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
It's a mighty mighty performance for the Freemantle docers.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Justin Longmill's commentary that was the most compelling all the
way through. For our video messaging service, Swish surprised out
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Speaker 5 (13:09):
Justin's on duty now in the West.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Justin, great to have you back on three point sixty.
Good to be back on Lad's pretty good, on Trader,
what's to come?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
How have you? How have you used it?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
What did you take from it to set you up
for Saturday nights?
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Yeah, it was, And I said to the players post
that game and in the week's senset, it's going to
be hard to believe that it wo'd be under more
pressure this week than what we were last week. You know,
obviously finals brings a different pressure about it. But I
was really proud of the way the players were able
to probably ignore some of the outside voices during the
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lead up to the Western Bulldogs game and really just
focus on what we needed to control. And you know,
we understood that the game wasn't going to go our
way the whole time, and they're able to withstand the
challenge in the first quarter and then get the game
on our terms as the game went on. And that's
going to I was in really good stead moving into
this week, and beyond.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Well, well donstin outstanding.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You've got there and you're qualified, and now it's all
before you in the next four weeks. Just wondering, given
the nature of that win and how big it was
against the Dogs, and then the week off, you're concerned
about momentum. Not that your wins against these top sides
has going to hold you in great stead, but you're
riding this wave of emotion and you've just got to
park it, ever so slightly.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Ah, Yeah, always concerned about that, Gaz. And we've been
in sort of a flow probably for the last twelve
thirteen weeks where form has been really solid and found.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Probably, Yeah, real strong process through that time where we
just rolled one week into the next and you've been
able to rely on that schedule, I guess, and that
process through that time. So yeah, always a little bit
concerned about it. But I feel like we've jumped into
this week really well now we started seeing on Gold
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Coast today. Yeah, and we're still got a little bit
of time up our sleeves to finish off our prep obviously,
but you're always a little bit concerned. But having said that,
all clubs are in the same boat, so we're all
dealing with the same thing.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
There's so many things to take out of it, but
it seems like it's an age of go full gulfs
to two down a court of time.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You're training buy sixteen points.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
What was the thing that pleased your most out of
it all.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Like I said, to withstand their challenge earlier, we knew
they were going to come out, yeah, and bring their
best footy early.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They did that against us in.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Round four when we played them last time, and we're
able to withstand their pressure then as well. And then
we've got the contest on our terms. And everyone wants
to talk about our ball movement, but our ball movement
flowed off the back of getting a little bit more
field position and not having to start our ball moving
up from so deep. And yeah, like I said after
the game, all our phases of the game came together
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in that second quarter really nicely. But yeah, it's probably
more pleased with ability to stay connected when they had
momentum and turn the tide in our direction.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You had a taster of finals a few years back,
won your home elimination final and then face Collingwood in
the semi What did you learn from that as a
as a coach? And the teams a bit different, But
there are some who will be able to draw back
on the little taster that they've had.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
I think being able to deal or understand that there's
a lot of outcome based pressure and outcome noise and less.
There's less games, so there's more focus on each on
each game, especially over here.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
When we're the only w A team in it.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
So being able to understand that aspect of it and
embrace that aspect of it, but make sure that you're
able to play the game that you want to play
on the weekend and control what you can control. And
felt like that Western Bulldogs game in that final, we
just didn't jump into the game the way we wanted.
We didn't trust ourselves, we didn't play with the freedom.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
We would like.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
You know, it was probably a little bit like Round
twenty four, to be honest, and then once we found
that freedom, our game was able to come to life.
So definitely don't want to give up a forty point
head start like we did in that twenty twenty two final.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But there's definitely some lessons.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
And how to play with freedom and just trust, trust
our game style and trust the game plan and play
for each other.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I guess even before we stepped into the season, justin
that there were questions around consequence. As you've put it
for yourself, for the team, do you feel like you've
insulated your group and yourself well from the outside narratives
to just pick off what is an excellent sequence of
form now having lost only twice since round nine.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Yeah, whether we're insulated it, I don't think it's insulating it.
It's been able to give the players the tools to
be able to deal with that type of pressure.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I think Jared is a better way to put it.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
And you know, no one really likes to go through it.
And we showed a Trademark video the other day to
the players and it was a depiction of our season
and you.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Know, some of it was really hard to watch.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
But those challenges are what make you as a team
and the challenges are what make you as an individual
as well. So, like I said to the players, I
don't know whether we'd be in this position. And it
wasn't for Round eight against Saint Kilda on that Friday night.
I was really disappointing at the time and looking back
on it's not great. But that challenge, that the challenge
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of the week after and owning our lot and allowing
that to make us a better food club probably is
the reason why we're here now. So it's probably not
necessarily insulating. It's probably given the players, like I said,
the tools to be able to deal with those situations
and the pressure. And yeah, I've been able to lean
in on that as well, because, as you mentioned, I've
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been under pressure at times this year, and I've got
a model what I preach.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So what sort of tools have you developed to look
after yourself through that.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
It's making sure that I tend not to read too
much about what's going on, but sometimes when it gets
really hot, people just text you your support out of nowhere,
and you're actually not sure sometimes where it's coming from,
but you sort of don't have to do don't have
to dig too deep to work out where the people
were coming from. And I just make sure that I
get my feedback internal. You know, Joe Bridle has been
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amazing as a GM. Garlo as the CEO, has been amazing.
And those two guys know my coaching better than anyone.
They sit in a lot of the meetings, reviews, previews.
They have a good idea of how I have relationships
with players and go about setting up the plans for
each week, So I lean on their feedback more than
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external feedback.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
You've been on you in your faith in this group,
and I sort of went over and we watched that game,
that last game, and I was wondering whether the belief
is really there, and then the response was outstanding, When
does vindication come for you? Does it come in one
final win, two final wins? Is it only the premiership?
I mean, how can you absolutely feel vindicated?
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Probably not necessarily a results. You know, we're lucky win
for in a row coming up, but it's probably more
the way we play. And that was a lesson And
the great reminder we got out of the last two
games of the year is that that Brisbane game was
far from the way we want to play. And I
know the x's and o's gets heavily scrutinized, but we
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didn't play for each other. We didn't play as a
team that night. We didn't bring each other into the game.
I spoke about trust before. We definitely didn't trust ourselves
to explore our space and drive at the opposition and
be proactive.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And we've got a great reminder of.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
What our footy can look like if we do those
things against the Western Bulldogs. So it's probably more about
the way it looks rather than the actual result. Yeah,
clearly we'd love to win four games in a row,
but other teams are going to want to be doing that,
but it's more the way we play and the way
it looks and making sure that we just stick to
our model and if that's not good enough, well then
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we'll need to make changes. But like we saw in
that last game, if we can lean in those things,
our best is pretty good.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Are you preparing for wet weather?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It's a bit of a diabolical forecast Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
We had a couple of days over here that got
into the twenties, which was really nice. Who thought spring
was here? But the forecast isn't looking great. The Bomb
haven't exactly put them on the line with their forecast.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It's four to twenty five meals, so can land anywhere.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
But yeah, I think it's going to be wet and windy,
and I think we've had six games in the wet
this year so which has been a little bit of
a bit of a phenomenon itself. But we've handled ourselves
really well in those conditions. I think gold Coaster built
for those conditions. We had had to head clash in
those conditions up on the Gold Coast during the year,
so we'll be ready for whatever conditions.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Justin appreciate your time right throughout the season.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
So good luck Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yep, thanks lads, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Good on you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Justin Longmue are there the Fremantle coach. So the other
side of the coin. In a moment's time, Gold Coast
heading for their first final series.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
It's over in the West as the starting points.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
There's no stranger himself to these moments, though Damien Hardwich
returns to September, this time that his sus
The training mishap that had Collingwood Heart's skipper beats. Jordan
Degie emerges unscathed, but the Collingwood questions run deep.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
History beckons for the Suns. Richmond Premiership coach Damian Hardwick
joins us a head of Gold Coast's first finals appearance.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And delivering on all the hard work justin Longmuir has
Fremantle poised for home final as the Dockers strive to
make a September impression.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
We've talked about is this step into it, debrace.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
All of it in the room and reason it's unedifying
for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain tape.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
The man on they played the best footy.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I've ever seen at the start of the season and
intud said, President left the cup of Older said, of
course they do.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Is the stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 6 (00:47):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I can do something.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get on the board.
Speaker 7 (00:52):
Sexue the fans, lover and with no fans no through
sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The casting of themes seems rather prominent September.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
We got one in your day.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We need one. We're starting the game, that's right. No,
you asked me this off and have a think. I
don't think we did. But we had a very John
Norley was a big preseason camp man, so there would
always be one event where it was running up Mount
Buller or Mount Bunningong back in those days. They would
get reflected on throughout the course of the season. But
I can't really think of themes I know again, salk
(01:32):
to Justin Longio. So they've jumped on the America's Cup theme.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
So I was thinking with Sam Mitchell last night.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
He said his group of players, some would eat it
up and some would be the skeptics.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Do you all?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No, I'm a bit more hang on, let me renswer
that back then, very open to it.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I asked the laws and they said, Chris, God, no thing,
We're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
All right, here's what we've got lined up for tonight,
Damien Hardwick and long Mirror. As we complete our privileged
access to coaches and the lead up to September, Ray
Chamberlain has brought some friends in the three emerging female
boundary umpires who saw action in AFL in round twenty four,
so Gretap, Melissa and Caitlin will join us. Then it
gets more significant with each passing week midweek tackle. There's
(02:19):
so much to deal with on the trade front. So
if you're a supporter of the ten teams out of
business Lauren Wood, John Ralph and Scott Gullan, I highly
likely to satisfy you immediately after us and then tomorrow
night our favorite pairing, Adam Simpson and John Longmire, who
will thrive at this time of year as they did
as players and coaches.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, a tension between the two of them as well.
It's real with Thadam Burn announced as the Jack macay
middle presenter, so I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
What happens in September's track watching becomes more intense. This
is true for coaches, for fans and for cameramen alike.
And there's none better than Tony Scott here at Fox.
He was deployed down at Collingwood today. It's as if
he sees two and three moves. Genius is bit of
match play, a bit of match sim Keep an eye
on Jordan Degoi here with Isaac Quaina coming across his path,
(03:05):
and then.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
You don't want that moment.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
There's his eyes down there as well, so your heart
goes in your mouth right now, you're going worry a
bit concerned. Yep, I still need Yeah, I think maybe
he's going off. And then when he jogged off by
the end of it, I think, guess he's gone. I've
got the money shot and I've got the finishing shot
to hey, he looks okay.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Came back on trade, Yeah, yep he did.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
He finish the session after a short absence, which given
the form we saw from him in the Melbourne game,
he's such a big factor as we head towards Adelaide
on Thursday nights and he's had wretched interruptions.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It just needs a clear run it September and I.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Think Craig McCray said to us he was preasantly surprised
at how forward, if you want to use that term,
he was in his recent outing. So he could be
the one who helped separate what was such a tight
contest on Thursday. And I can't wait for the game. Honestly.
We'll talk about it again tonight and tomorrow. Yeah, it
just needs to start for all sorts of russ.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
All right, So this was Craig McCrae.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
A little after the blow from de Goys and.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Down he was a bit worried about that. Yeah, No,
he's finally he came back on. He just got a
little bit of a knock on. I just I think
it might have been a Saint col. No, he's finally
came back on. So I think it's crossed her.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
You don't want anyone going down to training at this
time of day or not.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
So Bo McCreary.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
He didn't set the world alights, but he'll play on
Thursday night, the coach said. And then there's the composition
of their team is one of the aching questions out
of the last time was how do they turn seventy
one inside fifties into something better?
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Mason Cox has been thrown up down McStay hasn't been
in great form, though he clawed his way back late
in the Melbourne Games. Do they search for a different
mix or do they stick with what they've got?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know they're suggested mixed as the possibility to go back.
I don't know whether he's a matchup for either Still
Thought Walk or Foggy.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
To be honest, I think Maynard's more like.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
To take the third of those and McCreary brings them
something a bit different.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
How do they make something of it.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think there's a lot been made to the seventy
one inside fifty. It's not being made of the arm wrestler.
I think they revisit the first quarter. They don't forget
what happened in the first quarter, Jared, and I don't
know how good your memory is. Yours is great, but
our viewers they played aggressive, take it on footy in
that first quarter, and they kicked five goals to one.
At quarter time they lead five goals to one and
(05:27):
there was no arm wrestle. Then it was pretty aggressive
ball movement from the back half. They wanted to come
inside at every opportunity, and it was really good and
interesting to watch. They had twelve to thirteen inside fifties
in the second and kick the point that the five goals,
and then it got into it. Then it really degenerated
into that one behind the footy and let's see what happens.
But look, I imagine both teams and I'm not forgetting Adelaide
(05:47):
at all in all of this.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
We'll take a fair bit out of it.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But there's a take a bit to take out of
the first quarter, which has been lost a little bit.
You know, we look at it and go, gee, what
a missmash. Not in the first quarter, it wasn't. That
was as good as Colin would have been for a
long time.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
All right, have the teams tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
The other training session of immense importance was at the Giants.
Having spoke to Adam Kingsley last night, which tried to
weigh up his parameters. I loved he defaulted to Mark Williams.
Don't play injured players, so there's the difference between dinged
up and injured, which I thought he helped us differentiate.
You've got to get the medical all clear, and this
was the problem for Brent Daniels today is he couldn't
(06:22):
get through the session. So of course there's optimism in
the aftermath, but if you were going at face value,
Daniels didn't get through and spoke with the medical staff
and Off and Jesse Hogan did everything that you would
have wanted to see. Toby's he's clearly dinged up, so
he's not doing terribly much at the moment. Cannelio was
preserved around contacts. He's coming back from the concussion, Stringer
(06:44):
at Kelly, and then it becomes the judgment call it
doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I would imagine as a coach, not having never done it,
that this would be one of the hardest things of all.
And you take your hard line about the injuries, and
when it comes to soft tissues, are you talking Kelly
with cars and Buckley with Carr. Then they would be
the artist ones, so and only they would know they
may have been holding Kelly back for three weeks. You
know that might be the case, so they'll make the
best decision. But when you've got a lot of them,
(07:09):
and when you've got a group of them and they're
so important, then it makes it problematic.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
And I would imagine it'd be one of the great
challenges for coaches.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Do we go go with what we know and let's
push hard here as opposed to taking the calculated risk.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So good luck because they're really influential players.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Obviously, Hogan and Buckley have a massive say, Stringer has
a massive say, and then well, if Daniels doesn't play NEARLYO,
looks like the concussion will be sorted out. And then
you're looking at Josh Kelly, who runs like no one
else in the game with a few others and he's
got a soft tissue, so that's a hard one for them.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
There's three layers to it, as there's Thursday night selection,
there's are there any late withdrawals?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
And then how does it play out? So we're always the.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Wist you're playing for all the chips.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You are you are away from the final. So Melbourne's
coaching process where the interviews haven't started yet, this is
always going to have a public facing aspect, given that
the central figure is Nathan Buckley. He spoke on couch
last night.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
Still going through my process which I can speak to,
but take Melbourne on face value on who they're interviewing,
of which I'm a part of that group, so they'll
do the due diligence as I will. So we're still
still in the mix. I've never been through a process
like this before either. The succession plan at Collingwood was
pulling in the right direction. I'm up for this, let's
(08:25):
let's get it done. I'm sitting back and prosecuting this
a little bit more on different levels for myself and
for whether I think it's a fit with Melbourne. So yeah,
it is. It is very different, probably more more particular
and probably definitely more conscious on what can and cannot
(08:46):
work and not getting not ex as and as the
game plan stuff is totally irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
My view is Bucks has been incredibly open and transparent
as people are choosing to believe there's more going on
than there is, and there are I think grossly unfair
assumptions being made and you know what's going on here, Well,
I know.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
What I'm told, so I choose to believe. So.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Tom Morris reported today that in his opinion, it was
Nathan Buckley's job if he wanted it. I'm told that's
not true, and I believe the people are involved, and
I think it does do an injustice to people like
Joe Watson and Frank Benici, normously respected and tough minded,
think for themselves individuals to suggest that they're going through
this process with a preordained outcome. And I don't believe
(09:32):
that to be the case. So and people will say, oh,
that's you've been a Melbourne person.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I've got nothing, no vested interest in it at all.
I want the best candidate. I know Nathan Buckley doesn't
think that. He doesn't think that that's the case in
any way, shape or form. So they say to me
that the process hasn't commenced yet, that they have a
short list and that will commence shortly. They hope to
have it an appointment made before Chris, before Christmas, before
the Grand Final, and to suggest otherwise is false. Basically,
(10:00):
you make of that what you will. I think there's
an integrity around this process and the names that are
associated to the process demand a bit more respect than
to suggest that this job has already been decided.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yes, those who sit on it and then those who
are going to submit themselves to it is you need to,
in good faith go into this believing that you are
it's worth presenting your IP and all your preparation, and
that there is a fair chance of winning the job.
So I have no doubt there's a couple of people
at Melbourne who would like Nathan Buckley as their coach.
That's different to a boat race.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yes, which is what's what was suggested today. Say, if
you are a potential candidate, then.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You need to choose who you're going to believe in
this and I think they've been pretty transparent and upfront
about the whole process. They got into the market early.
There was the potential that it was going to be
a competitive market, but it's not given what happened with
Carlton and VOSSI. So they've been able to take their
time and be considered and be thorough and set out
(10:57):
a big, big search party of many men names and
narrated it down to where we sit now.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
And that's as I understand.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And I'm told again assured that commences Monday. And again
if you question it, you go on eyeball Joe Watson,
or you go on eyeball Frank Ponisian.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So you wasted your time. This has been decided. I
think that's a nonsense, all.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Right to our two coaches who are on Judy at
the moment, let's start over in Perth. Freemattle should be
well versed for what's to come. They won convincingly through
the eliminator to set up the eliminator that they'll host
in Perth.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Who was talking a lot, we're going to miss the finals.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
A full faith in this group to be able to
go over there and get it done and play away
and confident that our ways enough.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yet I don't know whether he had to be put
up to do it or he just got.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
On the front foot and went whack.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But that is exactly the mindset that their club's got
to come to a naval stadium with on a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
As close as you can get to a final.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
The anxiety levels might even be higher.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
The consequences for the loser.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Are grape likes that sort of performance coming all week
from the attitude of the players.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
This is b special for the Dockers.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
This is the best version of the Dockers. Charge and
charge and charge again.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Finally, the Doers, I'm coming back to the finals.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Where's to Norway about presser amount? History?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Come out?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Hate, what the best?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
How's that frinancing?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
That best?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
For he has been against the best side, so we
should be full of belief and understand that we can
beat anyone.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
It's a mighty mighty performance for the Freemantle docers.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Justin Longmill's commentary that was the most compelling all the
way through. For our video messaging service, Swish surprised out
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Speaker 5 (13:09):
Justin's on duty now in the West.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Justin, great to have you back on three point sixty.
Good to be back on Lad's pretty good, on Trader,
what's to come?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
How have you? How have you used it?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
What did you take from it to set you up
for Saturday nights?
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Yeah, it was, And I said to the players post
that game and in the week's senset, it's going to
be hard to believe that it wo'd be under more
pressure this week than what we were last week. You know,
obviously finals brings a different pressure about it. But I
was really proud of the way the players were able
to probably ignore some of the outside voices during the
(13:45):
lead up to the Western Bulldogs game and really just
focus on what we needed to control. And you know,
we understood that the game wasn't going to go our
way the whole time, and they're able to withstand the
challenge in the first quarter and then get the game
on our terms as the game went on. And that's
going to I was in really good stead moving into
this week, and beyond.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Well, well donstin outstanding.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You've got there and you're qualified, and now it's all
before you in the next four weeks. Just wondering, given
the nature of that win and how big it was
against the Dogs, and then the week off, you're concerned
about momentum. Not that your wins against these top sides
has going to hold you in great stead, but you're
riding this wave of emotion and you've just got to
park it, ever so slightly.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Ah, Yeah, always concerned about that, Gaz. And we've been
in sort of a flow probably for the last twelve
thirteen weeks where form has been really solid and found.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Probably, Yeah, real strong process through that time where we
just rolled one week into the next and you've been
able to rely on that schedule, I guess, and that
process through that time. So yeah, always a little bit
concerned about it. But I feel like we've jumped into
this week really well now we started seeing on Gold
(15:00):
Coast today. Yeah, and we're still got a little bit
of time up our sleeves to finish off our prep obviously,
but you're always a little bit concerned. But having said that,
all clubs are in the same boat, so we're all
dealing with the same thing.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
There's so many things to take out of it, but
it seems like it's an age of go full gulfs
to two down a court of time.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You're training buy sixteen points.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
What was the thing that pleased your most out of
it all.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Like I said, to withstand their challenge earlier, we knew
they were going to come out, yeah, and bring their
best footy early.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They did that against us in.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Round four when we played them last time, and we're
able to withstand their pressure then as well. And then
we've got the contest on our terms. And everyone wants
to talk about our ball movement, but our ball movement
flowed off the back of getting a little bit more
field position and not having to start our ball moving
up from so deep. And yeah, like I said after
the game, all our phases of the game came together
(15:54):
in that second quarter really nicely. But yeah, it's probably
more pleased with ability to stay connected when they had
momentum and turn the tide in our direction.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You had a taster of finals a few years back,
won your home elimination final and then face Collingwood in
the semi What did you learn from that as a
as a coach? And the teams a bit different, But
there are some who will be able to draw back
on the little taster that they've had.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
I think being able to deal or understand that there's
a lot of outcome based pressure and outcome noise and less.
There's less games, so there's more focus on each on
each game, especially over here.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
When we're the only w A team in it.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
So being able to understand that aspect of it and
embrace that aspect of it, but make sure that you're
able to play the game that you want to play
on the weekend and control what you can control. And
felt like that Western Bulldogs game in that final, we
just didn't jump into the game the way we wanted.
We didn't trust ourselves, we didn't play with the freedom.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
We would like.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
You know, it was probably a little bit like Round
twenty four, to be honest, and then once we found
that freedom, our game was able to come to life.
So definitely don't want to give up a forty point
head start like we did in that twenty twenty two final.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But there's definitely some lessons.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
And how to play with freedom and just trust, trust
our game style and trust the game plan and play
for each other.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I guess even before we stepped into the season, justin
that there were questions around consequence. As you've put it
for yourself, for the team, do you feel like you've
insulated your group and yourself well from the outside narratives
to just pick off what is an excellent sequence of
form now having lost only twice since round nine.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Yeah, whether we're insulated it, I don't think it's insulating it.
It's been able to give the players the tools to
be able to deal with that type of pressure.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I think Jared is a better way to put it.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
And you know, no one really likes to go through it.
And we showed a Trademark video the other day to
the players and it was a depiction of our season
and you.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Know, some of it was really hard to watch.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
But those challenges are what make you as a team
and the challenges are what make you as an individual
as well. So, like I said to the players, I
don't know whether we'd be in this position. And it
wasn't for Round eight against Saint Kilda on that Friday night.
I was really disappointing at the time and looking back
on it's not great. But that challenge, that the challenge
(18:39):
of the week after and owning our lot and allowing
that to make us a better food club probably is
the reason why we're here now. So it's probably not
necessarily insulating. It's probably given the players, like I said,
the tools to be able to deal with those situations
and the pressure. And yeah, I've been able to lean
in on that as well, because, as you mentioned, I've
(18:59):
been under pressure at times this year, and I've got
a model what I preach.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So what sort of tools have you developed to look
after yourself through that.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
It's making sure that I tend not to read too
much about what's going on, but sometimes when it gets
really hot, people just text you your support out of nowhere,
and you're actually not sure sometimes where it's coming from,
but you sort of don't have to do don't have
to dig too deep to work out where the people
were coming from. And I just make sure that I
get my feedback internal. You know, Joe Bridle has been
(19:35):
amazing as a GM. Garlo as the CEO, has been amazing.
And those two guys know my coaching better than anyone.
They sit in a lot of the meetings, reviews, previews.
They have a good idea of how I have relationships
with players and go about setting up the plans for
each week, So I lean on their feedback more than
(19:57):
external feedback.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
You've been on you in your faith in this group,
and I sort of went over and we watched that game,
that last game, and I was wondering whether the belief
is really there, and then the response was outstanding, When
does vindication come for you? Does it come in one
final win, two final wins? Is it only the premiership?
I mean, how can you absolutely feel vindicated?
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Probably not necessarily a results. You know, we're lucky win
for in a row coming up, but it's probably more
the way we play. And that was a lesson And
the great reminder we got out of the last two
games of the year is that that Brisbane game was
far from the way we want to play. And I
know the x's and o's gets heavily scrutinized, but we
(20:43):
didn't play for each other. We didn't play as a
team that night. We didn't bring each other into the game.
I spoke about trust before. We definitely didn't trust ourselves
to explore our space and drive at the opposition and
be proactive.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And we've got a great reminder of.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
What our footy can look like if we do those
things against the Western Bulldogs. So it's probably more about
the way it looks rather than the actual result. Yeah,
clearly we'd love to win four games in a row,
but other teams are going to want to be doing that,
but it's more the way we play and the way
it looks and making sure that we just stick to
our model and if that's not good enough, well then
(21:18):
we'll need to make changes. But like we saw in
that last game, if we can lean in those things,
our best is pretty good.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Are you preparing for wet weather?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It's a bit of a diabolical forecast Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
We had a couple of days over here that got
into the twenties, which was really nice. Who thought spring
was here? But the forecast isn't looking great. The Bomb
haven't exactly put them on the line with their forecast.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It's four to twenty five meals, so can land anywhere.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
But yeah, I think it's going to be wet and windy,
and I think we've had six games in the wet
this year so which has been a little bit of
a bit of a phenomenon itself. But we've handled ourselves
really well in those conditions. I think gold Coaster built
for those conditions. We had had to head clash in
those conditions up on the Gold Coast during the year,
so we'll be ready for whatever conditions.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Justin appreciate your time right throughout the season.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
So good luck Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yep, thanks lads, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Good on you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Justin Longmue are there the Fremantle coach. So the other
side of the coin. In a moment's time, Gold Coast
heading for their first final series.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
It's over in the West as the starting points.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
There's no stranger himself to these moments, though Damien Hardwich
returns to September, this time that his sus
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