Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Monday 23rd June with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Garry Lyon vents his frustration at Charlie Curnow in the wake of Carlton’s shocking loss to North Melbourne, calling out effort and intent in a game the Blues had to win. The panel unpacks where it all went wrong for Michael Voss’ side and what it means for their finals hopes. Plus, can the Bulldogs hold their spot in the top eight? And all the key fallout from Round 15 as the race to September heats up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And all too familiar Monday at Carlton, miserable defeats incites
a savage response, prompting pledges to do better in a
recurring Blues nightmare, the.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Frustration builds for Michael Vass.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The season slips away.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Is the coach's job on the line through the remainder
of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And the Suns have a breakthrough whin ripped away by
the Giant Guns. Coach Damian Hardwick joins us the day
after as the disappointment sets in.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
We talked about his step into it, debrace all of.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It in the room and Renton it's unedifying for a
senior coach to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take
the man on.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and in the president left the
couple order said.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Of course they do.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It is the stuff that legends are made of. What
is holding the ball?
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something wrong, you know, And I
need to get and the boards actually.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
The fans lover and with no fans, no through sixty
year old.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
All the angles of round fifteen, armed for before us
scazz before we start, Yes, and the allocation of jobs,
which was going to ask Damien Hardwick whatever he meant
lad in the game in this moment.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I've got a list of their forty people that could
have been directed at Jared, You and.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I amongst them.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So we'll find out when he bobs up with au
him exactly who that was. I've got a suspicion I
know who, but you can ask him.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Maybe insufficient instead.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I suspect the son's coach is going to be a
deputy of match ratio when we talk to him tonight.
I mean lost their place in the AP but played
fewer games. Damien Hardwig and Adam Huse are our coaches
on Judy and Lee.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Matthews is here. We're going to join Jack.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Jordy and Spucks on the couch in a few moments time,
or in an hour's time, will Dan and Harry. She's
all our young guns are. On June Tomorrow night, we've
got Ray Chamberlain. He's going to tell us a worst
worry or two about umpiring taggers and then apply it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
To the modern I'm interested. We might save my bullets
for that. And depending on which way Ray goes all right.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So good to John Longmire on Wednesday night and Adam
Simpson alongside his great mate as well. Our Monday nights
start with the awarding the GVPS, the votes for the
most valuable players from the previous round in the estimation
of just one man, Gary Lyon, and the prize is
the most sought after and richest in all of football.
The ninety three thousand dollars Ford Mustang GT fastback, iconic design,
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unreal performance, five lead up, the eight engine, doesn't she go?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Still a lot of football to we played this year, Jared,
So we're not going in camera this yet, but this
magnificent vehicle is in the back of my mind when
I sit down and do these votes, ninety three thousand
dollars worth, every single time we even got this.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
This is called Mustang Green.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I thought Harris Andrews on Friday night down at the Country,
I thought he was superb. Jack Payne he lost Arcy
Gardner on the night and he went to Shannon Neil.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Shannon Neil was lost.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
He's a young man who's got the world his feet,
but he got as comprehensively beaten by one man as
you can. For Key position battle, so he kept chatting
to a touch in the first half.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
He took six, he.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Took ten marks, won sixteen possessions and I thought he
was outstanding.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Harris so one to Harris Andrews Defenders Awards.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
This is just fine.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I'm not sure he's going to win it. He could,
but he's got a bit of work to do. Marcus
Bondapali play played as good at midfield. Well, when I
say as good, I thought there was one better on
the weekend. I generally don't defer to midfielders, but maybe
it's the by rounds here and with the big Fords
and the key backs haven't been there.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But you couldn't deny this.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Thirty six touches, three goals, fifteen contested, three score involvements.
He was having a picnic and the opposition adam use
to join us, looked a bit a bit flat coming
off a bye, but he just did what he had
to do and it sets up a magnemicent back half
of the year and an exciting proposition if they get
through to the finals.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Still the best player in the game.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
We've still got him at number one. This bloke.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Will he ever be number one in the game. I
don't know, you might be Tom Green. Tom this could
have gone to know Anderson.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
This is how difficult given these votes? Is he what
happened in the middle of the ground in this game
was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, so he just ripped out sixteen clearances if you
don't mind sixteen on his own. But then Maddie Row
had a dozen't and Narah Anderson was outstanding.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So but this is all contested in tight stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Jared, look at this and one that got me out
of the line was this candy Candy and thanks very much.
So I'm a big Tom Green Green fan outving for
a long time as I am Noah and Maddie Rowe
just for me, I was taken by that game.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
So Maddie Row gets a three.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
All right, So here's how it looks changed much of
them first set of votes for Bonton Pelly and for Green.
Harris Andrews had polled before, but at the top, Patrick Dangersfield,
Toby Green, Jesse Hogan still side by him and Causeing.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I just reiterate, I can only g three lots of time.
I'm coughing a lot of abuse.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's not that hard to understand what that is.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
There's a lot of people that haven't grasps. I've only
got one or two or three.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That's it. That's for the whole whole round. So I'm
all right, sorry for those that missed out.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
It'll sort itself.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Colling, it will come for me again after Nick didn't
get a mate.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Top of the agenda, the doom spiral at Carlton. This
was the risk on Saturday afternoon and it became the
reality as the Kangaroos staged and uprising to put the
Blues into free fall.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
The Blues are getting booed by their own fans.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
I think a Carlton fan right now sitting here watching this,
what's good?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
What's happened to my proud club? Where's the fight? What
are you doing?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
If your Michael was panicking?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
He needs a miracle right now. They were much too
good around the contest for us.
Speaker 9 (05:57):
And you know, across the game, I felt like they
pro amitted to putch there.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They probably build this read enough.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
How hard that would be for Michael Voss to cut deep.
For the player that Michael Voss was, and that combative
nature for him to say we were bullied that would
be searing inside of him.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
This is a proud footing club and they don't exist
to waste time. If they don't think that Voss is
the man, as they've done before, they'll rip the band
aid off and they'll move on.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
The gap between our best and worst right now is
too big.
Speaker 9 (06:31):
I'd like us, in terms of the way that we
play it to be further further ahead than where we are.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
The next to the worst of the season that you
coach into your future.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I think it's more about staying president to where we're at.
Speaker 9 (06:48):
That's a concerning face there by Michael Voss and I
fear for car.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
D alert at.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It is a bus cycle that is all too familiar.
So we thought we'd break this up into four blocks scs,
the club, the coach, the players.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
But let's start with the performance.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And the performance through the middle quarters was the collapse
of hope and belief is they were bullied by a
team that has been their long term Bunny.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I thought the boys did a great job on commentary
Brown he picked it up really quickly, and it's sort
of in the face because that's not what you'd expect
coming into this game, particularly given they only played back
on Easter or Good Friday and it was just a
belting the other way, so it was it was shocking
to watch it un filed.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It was pure delight.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If you're a North Melbourne fan, by the way, and
we'll celebrate them with Harry Sheesel tomorrow, so don't worry
Kangary fans, We've not forgotten you.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But no, there's I've been watching it just on the
couse like everyone else.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And I'm thinking who in that side worries me as
an opposition Like who who is? And I take Patrick
Crips for Patrick Crips, like's his best and effort and
level of effort.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, it doesn't very much. He's not in the best
of form.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But for the rest of it, I just sat there going, well,
there's not nothing that really scares me as an opposition
player as I'm watching this unfold, and I think North
Melbourne felt that as a game. First quarter was a
feeling out process. It was pretty ugly, and then there's
a game on. They thought it's like a boxer not
getting punched back.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, they got.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
They were emboldened by the lack of response and the
lack of competitive edge from the opposition and they grew
as a result.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They said, look at this, we're not getting the belt back.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So they go back in the middle and I think
it'll come now away they went and kicked and they
just kicked the procession and they just walked off the
ground and Penny dropped.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
These folks aren't that good today. Today they're not that good.
And they went out and did it again the third.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Quarter, so that I felt like there were three phases.
I called it on radio. The first phase it was
perplexing the way Carlton set up. They had an obsession
with going yes, sideways and backwards rather than at an
opponent that they've scored for fun against North Melbourne at
their past five. So I didn't understand the setup at all.
Then North Melbourne completely got hold of them and they
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were in Bolden. They realized we're in this game and
there's not much coming the other way and totally dominated
two quarters. And then in the last quarter Carlton played
in the manner that they should. They played the angles,
they moved the ball, they were daring and aggressive and attacking.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And this is so my long held.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Belief with this Carlton setup is they traded away too
much of their natural flare what they're actually good at
in search of defense, and their game has been out
of balance for a couple of years. I thought we
saw that again really starkly. What do you mean, player
searching for something that was more dependable in their game.
(09:38):
They were streaky, they were a bit mad cap at times,
but when they got going, you couldn't stop them. They
rode that for a certain period of time, and they think,
they said, we're not going to win the flag doing that,
so we need to concentrate on defense. But they lost
all of this and they became so grim over time,
and I just think their game is totally out of balance.
(09:59):
They only looked any good when they go like they
did in the last quarter, and they only do it
from time to time.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, and that's that. We've seen that so many times
across the competition.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And the game's gone, then you can almost set your clock.
You go watch them, watch them come out here and
throw caution to the wind and play with some abandon
and that's what they did in the last quarter. And
the kangaroos they were just hanging on for dear grim wife.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
They didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
They been in front by forty points three.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It takes a lot to learn how to win the players,
the characteristics the.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Players, So there's lots of fould here.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And when I say, they're not much scares and that
goes to the playing list. So you know, the back
half is where teams generate run and drive, and I'm
looking through that. I'm going well, Sad and Holland's and
Dougherty and Chinkata. You know, they don't really scare you
with their buy use. But Charlie Kerno for me, has
been one of the great frustrations this year, because when
you get to times like this, you go to your
leaders and Patrick Leeds.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So Patrick Leeds and the next rundown is Charlie.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Now, Charlie's playing on Toby Pink, who played a really,
really good game.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
But look at that. I mean he doesn't He plays.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Like a third or fourth hard half forward flank out.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He burns a couple in the middle. And this is
your main man.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
This is the man who should stand up and say
we're going down here. But I will get to every contest.
I will work myself into the ground. I will make
Toby Pink think that this is the artist. Toby pink
could be one of the more.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Disappointed because's played a ripping game. But when you said
to him it was a lot to play on, Charlie,
I reckon, he'd say nothing like I thought. He didn't
lay one tackle for the game, Charlie. You know, not
a single tackle for the game. And there's seven games
this year, where as a later tackle. He's got to
be better, Charlie than this. He doesn't get to enough contest.
He doesn't want to be the man. He doesn't want
to be the boa who the indictment with indictment, Mitch
(11:43):
McGovern lit him up in the last quarter that should
have been Charlie lighted him up.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Get to the contest. Kick the goals, excite the fans.
Mitch McGovern's run around.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Trying to pump everyone up because he got on a
bit of a roll. And I look at the other
end of the ground for comparison, and Nick Clarky's going
like a bustard, right.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Nick Clarky's going as bad as Charlie.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Nick Larky works his backside off every single contest. Nick
Larky's in it's like a life and death contest. He's
laid five tackles, he's throwing his body around, he's backing
in the Charlie's playing like a third tour. He's playing
out on the flank and he's just sort of not
really getting himself.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I know he's not help by the way they set
it up, by the way they kick it inside fifty yard,
but he doesn't to me, they go they set it
up for Charlie to be the match winner, and Charlie
doesn't look like he wants to be the match winner.
That's the guts of it for me. He doesn't say
get out of my way. The amount of times the
players folded back and ended up in a two on
one because he doesn't demand all these blokes are sitting
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there with their defenders right in front of him, and
they're five or six times the ball comes back for
a one on one and their man comes off. Charlie's
got to own what's going on. Instead of going it
just looks like me, he goes, I don't really want
to be yet Mitch mcgavan said get out of my road, Charlie,
and that's, you know, for whatever Mitch McGovern is. He
walked in and said, I'm going to go, you get out,
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and he went and went on a bit of a turn.
So that to me is a bit of a measure
where he's at, and it's really disappointing. Didn't a single
tackle for the game, had seven touches.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Playing on tob Pinkuzah.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
He's a journeyman who's getting better and better. Walked off
the ground without a goal. That kind of sums it
up for me where they're at.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's emblematic of a bit of a defeatism.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, I reckon and we keep going on, but they've
got the look I got him and they've got him
and they got him.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, but he him, Charlie, you don't want to be him.
He wants someone else to be him. So emblematic is
the word of that.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Level of frustration the coach. So this is this fourth season.
We concede in the aftermath that he expected them to
be further advanced. He moved his language from that's not
us to the gap between our best and worst.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Is too wide.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Is there's a desperation these days to get to is
he going to get sacked or not? We're not quite
there yet. The question is can So they're going to
have to win some games on the way in. They're
six and eight with nine to play, and that the
frustration boiled over a three quurt of times. So clearly
they're not playing in the manner that they're sup was
to be playing. And so can this coaching stuff and
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can Michael Voss embed in this group a style that
looks like it will be successful next year?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
He has been able to pass, but the confidence in
him being able to do it again and this next
nine weeks has diminished somewhat, I think.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And I'm not after Michael Voss's either.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I like what he does does, but the manner in
which they play has just not kept pace with.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
The manner in which the game has evolved.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And then so then the next move for Voss is
to go, can I get a bit more imaginative?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Can I try?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And so I've talked about Charlie. Charlie has got Maddie
Richardson capability. Maddy Richardson went under a wing and nearly
won a Brown. He do something about it as the
game on files he played in the end, he said Chincoto,
who tagged really well, you know he's made his name.
They sent him to Kayla Daniel when mkirchey and Sesel
got off the chain and had massive and Daniel had
nine touches anyway, and I'm thinking that's a strange one.
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He played the coning forward and pitting it in the ruck.
And Tom Decanney, you know, he hasn't kicked more than
double figure goals in his career in season and he's
been a tear away ruck success in reason.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Let him go. So they're there's specifics.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
The rest of it is game plan and style, and
I think Vossi's you know, he's cut his teeth on
contest and clearance.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's it's the same old.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Thing I wrote about these guys early in the year,
the worst kicking team in the competition. So if you're
going to try and build a more expansive game, you
can't do it if you haven't got kickers. Well, here
we are around seventeen and they're still bottom three in
the competition for kicking. So it's tires the hand behind
your back. You want to be more expansive, if you
want to take the game on, you keep turning it over,
you get gun shy and you go back into old habits.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So year one they went twelve and ten and agonized them.
They missed the finals under him. Then they go thirteen
nine and one and go on that epic run in
the final series which takes into the prelim. Last year,
they're second at this stage and it's a total collapse
from there and they fall into the finals by virtue
of the good grace of Freemattle of not being able
to noil down to place this year, and we don't
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say it for the first time.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
They just don't look any good.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
They're six and eight and their tenh and with what
they've got to Corme me, it's very hard the forecast
where they finish up.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
But it is. It's regression.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's not the gap between their best and the worst.
This is straight out regression now it is.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And beaten Geelong. I was at that game.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I did it round seven and he thought, oh hey, yeah,
this is a bit more like modern day footy. But
then since then they've dropped off and beaten se Kiledres
and West Coast and lost to most of all the
other teams.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So then you get back to what this club is.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
So that's now the question is is it in the walls?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So this administration has preached stability like born again Christians
and it did serve them well the last time they
reached this sort of flashpoint. But it's a recurring cycle
and it feels like today. So Patrick Crips is there again.
He did this for Brendan Bolton, he did this for
David tig and now he does it.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
For Michael Voss.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
When times are half it's the most important time to
stay together and stay united. And for a lot of
years now I had that stronger together sort of mindset.
And you know, it's easy to do that when we're winning.
It's bloody hard to do it when you have some
tough losses. So my message with the saying like we're
sticking fat together, you know, sort of buying in and
really get behind us and you know we'll turn it around.
It's it's going to take a lot of work, on
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a lot of effort, but you know we're going to
say united.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
What you should be further ahead in development.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Obosusly sort of spoke of that on the weekend, that
this is not a team that you know should be building,
it's a team that should be ready to contend.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Now.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Yeah, I like without a doubt, But at the same time,
like when his life always go to plant like it's
not linear. So I've never had a year where it's
all gone to plan and you know, it's it's been
smooth sailing, like in the year that we did get
on a run, like we'll four and eight at one stage.
So it's you just got to stick together if you'll
find a way through it. And you know, we knew
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the outcome, the whole journey wouldn't be that fun.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
So don't don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I don't want to be in this.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Position, but also realistic that we'll find our way out
of this position.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
So it's a vicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
If you think back over recent times, Greg Swann came
in to change it, Brian Cook came in to change it,
Dennis Pagan was brought in as the mastermind. Then the
savior is going to be Mick Moldause and now people
saying it's Graham right, and it could be John Lotemire's
they out they're living the same cycle over and over
and over.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
How does it change?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's a good point, Well, how does it change? How's
it changed right now? For Carlton fans? And I'm not
going to ask you. You're in the cold face of
this from a public point of view? Is this bigger
than it has been in recent times because of the
saturation of the coverage of the game, And therefore we're
geting to do a stage with our carton supporters that
you can identify by name, given the amount of airtime
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they get these and I get it, that's their passion.
In news gone by, they'd walk off and take that
home and sit in the backyard with their mates and moan.
And now it's all put out in the public place.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So is it bigger than it actually is?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So it's over the club is overly emotional. Lot the
people inside, it's overly emotional, and it's bordering on destructive.
And I do liken it to what we've just lived
through with Tottenham Hotspur, and I'm glad to be done
with them because that's a really unhealthy environment. So the
rise was absolutely glorious to a preliminary final man. It
unlocked all that is good about Carlton and then to
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have it wrenched away so quickly, we're back in the
This is a generation old dwelling now.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
To be at the bottom of the well.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's not to be critical of the supporter supporters have
got every right to be emotional and to be jubilant
in victory and despondent in loss. Now they've had more
loss than victory in recent times.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
But how do you get out of it? Where you
just go back.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And make good decisions, to make good decisions, that's the
bottom line.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
There's every club and not my club.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I've been there, and until you start making good decisions
and less and less poor decisions, then you start.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
To get your way out. So yeah, you don't need
to massigh I.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
But Graham right has got history of making good decisions
and he's got to make really good decisions now from
this point forward.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And that's around Tom the goning, and that's around where they.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Keep the list as it is, where they go, No,
let's strip this back and get some bugs that can kick,
and get some bokes a bit flexible. So there's no secret.
I've never been brave enough to do it. There's no
secret one I would imagine. You just got to make
good decisions.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Cast a plan, follow it through, and be right.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So that's the hardest part is you don't know in
real time whether you're going to be get rights. Is
the list needs work, they'd have to pull it apart underground.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I don't think there's any doubt that it needs work.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Okay, that's the Carlton discussion.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
The rest, well, what we know is there are nine
and there are only eight seats, and so the shuffle,
the movement from week to week becomes more profound as
we go.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And that was right before us. On the weekend, there.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Spects will be a game that are caught strong. But
there we're vulnerable as well, you know, at different times,
and you know, we're not shying away from the fact
that we haven't been able to be you know, most
of the teams above us and there are above us
and higher up on the latter for a reason, they're
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the better teams in the competition.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
When we put it together, I think we're a pretty
good team.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
You know.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
With that, we need to become a little bit more
consistent with our in game stuff, particularly to be the
team that we want to be. But I think I
think we're we're on tractor, but you know, to build
that consistency and become that team.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
By last year or third eighth, we've got to the buy.
This year we're second, so funnier thing still to work on.
But I think the boys have done a good job
to win a flag and then whether the storm at
the first part of the year, it hasn't been smooth sailing.
All the teams come at you. So I'm pretty pleas.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Aware we're at get the win when you need it,
make sure you don't fumble what's in front of you.
And then the teams who are in your areas, they're
going to have to play Nason letters with me most
weeks from here Gas, just to see what the shake
up looks like. Two and three traded places. They played
each other for it. The Giants and Gold Coast result
was pretty profound. But Gold Coast are outside, but they
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have played either one or two fewer games than those
up ahead, and the Bulldogs back in after a little
exit on the outside.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
So team at a.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Time, we'll start with the Bulldogs seven and zero per
percentage of two hundred against the Non nine.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They just keep setting it all up, getting all your
pieces in place, make sure you sound and in good
form for when the bigger challenges come.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And that's what they've done.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So Marcus is purring, Sam Darcy's getting better, injury free
the midfield in the absence of Bonton Pali has grown
in the early part of the year.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I think Rory Love is really important in the back half.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
So they're beautiful placed to take on the challenge of
trying to write what is the only sort of wrong
and that is that haven't been anyway.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, they're one and six against them the eight that matter.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, so no, they're great. They're not really great. They're
exactly where they would want to be and say, bring
on the challenges.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
The cost of yesterday as Adam trelaw So, thirty two
year old runner up in the Best and Fairest last year,
has had a really interrupted season calf strain six weeks
that puts him right at the back end of the
home and away see and has played four games so
first up got injured against Port Adelaide, had a handful
of weeks off. First up against Hawthorne, was a bit
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hobbled in that game, got through one and then injured
in the next. He's on a very fine line now.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
He's at the bonus stage. Now if he gets back,
he's a bonus. They've got coverage, they got and the
game moves quickly and moves pasty, which is hard for Adam.
I hope he gets back, but Ed Richards taken over
that role.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
He's their main man in there. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I love what the Giants did their last quarter. Just
refused to yield. And this is a trait that Adam
Kingsley would be totally admiring of his group. I mean,
this is a really good game of footy there on
the back foot for most of it. They gave up
the first four goals of the game, but they just
didn't yield and it got to the last quarter and
it was just they made the most of every time
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they went inside forward fifty. So you look at some
of this stuff and I'm sure Dimma would be disappointed
having gone through it the take today or yesterday whenever
they reviewed the game. But this GWS side who aren't
quite where they need to be in terms of playing,
and they've got a couple out but I'll.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Tell you what they do, Jared, is they don't roll over.
They don't refuse to roll up.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
So they've got these wins against Collingwood, Brisbane and Geelong
and now they've got two huge last quarter comebacks whilst
at other times looking like they're ninth and ninth.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And that boat kind of summed them up in the end,
didn't he Jake Stringer comes on as a sub and
just puts it out across They gets them across the line.
So this is a final series that if they get
in I'm going to enjoy watching him play because they
will be honest as a day is long.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And that's a good starting point I reckon for any.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Time Stringer looks like a good sub, doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, he does, he does until you're playing, and yeah
he does.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I leave it at that. He looks like a good.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Sub, proper impact player.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Temptation might be to get more of that. Yes, ont
of the game at some stage, and.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
The Brisbane lines left a big impression on us on
Friday night.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yes, the coach Chris Fagan just had it little. You know,
everyone else is worried about us, but where not. He
had a quiet, steely confidence going into this game. And
I love the way they played you. They took the
ball off the line. You look down the line. There
you see Jack Henry thinking they're going to go straight
down the line. You see Tommy Stewart peeling back, and
all of a sudden, Zach Bailey hits up the leader.
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So they did this a couple of times coming out
of the back half, and they executed it really, really well.
They're aggressive with their ball movement right from the word go.
We love this in the end from Charlie, he's just
twisted his hips at the last minute and put the
arms in the air and set good.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
So that was a I thought that.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Was the best performance of the weekend and reminded everyone
just how good this list is. Their midfield's very very good,
and Cameron is a good player and Harris was great
in the back half.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
They were spiritually there and they were so sophisticated in
the tactics that they rolled out no problem for me.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
For the Cats, it was a horrible night.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
They played terrible, but they still managed to take plenty
of shots of goal throughout the course of the night.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
So it's set up.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
These teams are going to be involved in that point
the end of the year and I'll have a break
Brisbane and Geelong there and the Giants and the Bombers,
and then they'll come back and run hard home to
the to the end of the year. So I loved,
in fact didn't like it. I love what Brisbane did.
I didn't think they were going to do it. I
thought you long and went on Friday night. They had
a terrible night, but Brisbane.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Were outstanding all right.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Let's bring it in our coaches, Damien Hardwick and Adam Moose,
so the old coach of Richmond and the new both
on the wrong side of it on the weekend. Damien
Hardwick with plenty to pour through from how it unfolded
across the day in Sydney and Adam Moose so poor
either side of the bye.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
But there's been a lot more to like about the
Tigers than that. Mary.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You're just looking at me.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Juli
And all too familiar Monday at Carlton, miserable defeats incites
a savage response, prompting pledges to do better in a
recurring Blues nightmare, the.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Frustration builds for Michael Vass.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The season slips away.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Is the coach's job on the line through the remainder
of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And the Suns have a breakthrough whin ripped away by
the Giant Guns. Coach Damian Hardwick joins us the day
after as the disappointment sets in.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
We talked about his step into it, debrace all of.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It in the room and Renton it's unedifying for a
senior coach to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take
the man on.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and in the president left the
couple order said.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Of course they do.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It is the stuff that legends are made of. What
is holding the ball?
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something wrong, you know, And I
need to get and the boards actually.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
The fans lover and with no fans, no through sixty
year old.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
All the angles of round fifteen, armed for before us
scazz before we start, Yes, and the allocation of jobs,
which was going to ask Damien Hardwick whatever he meant
lad in the game in this moment.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I've got a list of their forty people that could
have been directed at Jared, You and.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I amongst them.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So we'll find out when he bobs up with au
him exactly who that was. I've got a suspicion I
know who, but you can ask him.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Maybe insufficient instead.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I suspect the son's coach is going to be a
deputy of match ratio when we talk to him tonight.
I mean lost their place in the AP but played
fewer games. Damien Hardwig and Adam Huse are our coaches
on Judy and Lee.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Matthews is here. We're going to join Jack.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Jordy and Spucks on the couch in a few moments time,
or in an hour's time, will Dan and Harry. She's
all our young guns are. On June Tomorrow night, we've
got Ray Chamberlain. He's going to tell us a worst
worry or two about umpiring taggers and then apply it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
To the modern I'm interested. We might save my bullets
for that. And depending on which way Ray goes all right.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So good to John Longmire on Wednesday night and Adam
Simpson alongside his great mate as well. Our Monday nights
start with the awarding the GVPS, the votes for the
most valuable players from the previous round in the estimation
of just one man, Gary Lyon, and the prize is
the most sought after and richest in all of football.
The ninety three thousand dollars Ford Mustang GT fastback, iconic design,
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unreal performance, five lead up, the eight engine, doesn't she go?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Still a lot of football to we played this year, Jared,
So we're not going in camera this yet, but this
magnificent vehicle is in the back of my mind when
I sit down and do these votes, ninety three thousand
dollars worth, every single time we even got this.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
This is called Mustang Green.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I thought Harris Andrews on Friday night down at the Country,
I thought he was superb. Jack Payne he lost Arcy
Gardner on the night and he went to Shannon Neil.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Shannon Neil was lost.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
He's a young man who's got the world his feet,
but he got as comprehensively beaten by one man as
you can. For Key position battle, so he kept chatting
to a touch in the first half.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
He took six, he.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Took ten marks, won sixteen possessions and I thought he
was outstanding.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Harris so one to Harris Andrews Defenders Awards.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
This is just fine.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I'm not sure he's going to win it. He could,
but he's got a bit of work to do. Marcus
Bondapali play played as good at midfield. Well, when I
say as good, I thought there was one better on
the weekend. I generally don't defer to midfielders, but maybe
it's the by rounds here and with the big Fords
and the key backs haven't been there.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But you couldn't deny this.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Thirty six touches, three goals, fifteen contested, three score involvements.
He was having a picnic and the opposition adam use
to join us, looked a bit a bit flat coming
off a bye, but he just did what he had
to do and it sets up a magnemicent back half
of the year and an exciting proposition if they get
through to the finals.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Still the best player in the game.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
We've still got him at number one. This bloke.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Will he ever be number one in the game. I
don't know, you might be Tom Green. Tom this could
have gone to know Anderson.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
This is how difficult given these votes? Is he what
happened in the middle of the ground in this game
was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, so he just ripped out sixteen clearances if you
don't mind sixteen on his own. But then Maddie Row
had a dozen't and Narah Anderson was outstanding.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So but this is all contested in tight stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Jared, look at this and one that got me out
of the line was this candy Candy and thanks very much.
So I'm a big Tom Green Green fan outving for
a long time as I am Noah and Maddie Rowe
just for me, I was taken by that game.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
So Maddie Row gets a three.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
All right, So here's how it looks changed much of
them first set of votes for Bonton Pelly and for Green.
Harris Andrews had polled before, but at the top, Patrick Dangersfield,
Toby Green, Jesse Hogan still side by him and Causeing.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I just reiterate, I can only g three lots of time.
I'm coughing a lot of abuse.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's not that hard to understand what that is.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
There's a lot of people that haven't grasps. I've only
got one or two or three.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That's it. That's for the whole whole round. So I'm
all right, sorry for those that missed out.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
It'll sort itself.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Colling, it will come for me again after Nick didn't
get a mate.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Top of the agenda, the doom spiral at Carlton. This
was the risk on Saturday afternoon and it became the
reality as the Kangaroos staged and uprising to put the
Blues into free fall.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
The Blues are getting booed by their own fans.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
I think a Carlton fan right now sitting here watching this,
what's good?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
What's happened to my proud club? Where's the fight? What
are you doing?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
If your Michael was panicking?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
He needs a miracle right now. They were much too
good around the contest for us.
Speaker 9 (05:57):
And you know, across the game, I felt like they
pro amitted to putch there.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They probably build this read enough.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
How hard that would be for Michael Voss to cut deep.
For the player that Michael Voss was, and that combative
nature for him to say we were bullied that would
be searing inside of him.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
This is a proud footing club and they don't exist
to waste time. If they don't think that Voss is
the man, as they've done before, they'll rip the band
aid off and they'll move on.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
The gap between our best and worst right now is
too big.
Speaker 9 (06:31):
I'd like us, in terms of the way that we
play it to be further further ahead than where we are.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
The next to the worst of the season that you
coach into your future.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I think it's more about staying president to where we're at.
Speaker 9 (06:48):
That's a concerning face there by Michael Voss and I
fear for car.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
D alert at.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It is a bus cycle that is all too familiar.
So we thought we'd break this up into four blocks scs,
the club, the coach, the players.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
But let's start with the performance.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And the performance through the middle quarters was the collapse
of hope and belief is they were bullied by a
team that has been their long term Bunny.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I thought the boys did a great job on commentary
Brown he picked it up really quickly, and it's sort
of in the face because that's not what you'd expect
coming into this game, particularly given they only played back
on Easter or Good Friday and it was just a
belting the other way, so it was it was shocking
to watch it un filed.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It was pure delight.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If you're a North Melbourne fan, by the way, and
we'll celebrate them with Harry Sheesel tomorrow, so don't worry
Kangary fans, We've not forgotten you.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But no, there's I've been watching it just on the
couse like everyone else.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And I'm thinking who in that side worries me as
an opposition Like who who is? And I take Patrick
Crips for Patrick Crips, like's his best and effort and
level of effort.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, it doesn't very much. He's not in the best
of form.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But for the rest of it, I just sat there going, well,
there's not nothing that really scares me as an opposition
player as I'm watching this unfold, and I think North
Melbourne felt that as a game. First quarter was a
feeling out process. It was pretty ugly, and then there's
a game on. They thought it's like a boxer not
getting punched back.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, they got.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
They were emboldened by the lack of response and the
lack of competitive edge from the opposition and they grew
as a result.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They said, look at this, we're not getting the belt back.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So they go back in the middle and I think
it'll come now away they went and kicked and they
just kicked the procession and they just walked off the
ground and Penny dropped.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
These folks aren't that good today. Today they're not that good.
And they went out and did it again the third.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Quarter, so that I felt like there were three phases.
I called it on radio. The first phase it was
perplexing the way Carlton set up. They had an obsession
with going yes, sideways and backwards rather than at an
opponent that they've scored for fun against North Melbourne at
their past five. So I didn't understand the setup at all.
Then North Melbourne completely got hold of them and they
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were in Bolden. They realized we're in this game and
there's not much coming the other way and totally dominated
two quarters. And then in the last quarter Carlton played
in the manner that they should. They played the angles,
they moved the ball, they were daring and aggressive and attacking.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And this is so my long held.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Belief with this Carlton setup is they traded away too
much of their natural flare what they're actually good at
in search of defense, and their game has been out
of balance for a couple of years. I thought we
saw that again really starkly. What do you mean, player
searching for something that was more dependable in their game.
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They were streaky, they were a bit mad cap at times,
but when they got going, you couldn't stop them. They
rode that for a certain period of time, and they think,
they said, we're not going to win the flag doing that,
so we need to concentrate on defense. But they lost
all of this and they became so grim over time,
and I just think their game is totally out of balance.
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They only looked any good when they go like they
did in the last quarter, and they only do it
from time to time.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, and that's that. We've seen that so many times
across the competition.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And the game's gone, then you can almost set your clock.
You go watch them, watch them come out here and
throw caution to the wind and play with some abandon
and that's what they did in the last quarter. And
the kangaroos they were just hanging on for dear grim wife.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
They didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
They been in front by forty points three.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It takes a lot to learn how to win the players,
the characteristics the.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Players, So there's lots of fould here.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And when I say, they're not much scares and that
goes to the playing list. So you know, the back
half is where teams generate run and drive, and I'm
looking through that. I'm going well, Sad and Holland's and
Dougherty and Chinkata. You know, they don't really scare you
with their buy use. But Charlie Kerno for me, has
been one of the great frustrations this year, because when
you get to times like this, you go to your
leaders and Patrick Leeds.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So Patrick Leeds and the next rundown is Charlie.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Now, Charlie's playing on Toby Pink, who played a really,
really good game.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
But look at that. I mean he doesn't He plays.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Like a third or fourth hard half forward flank out.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He burns a couple in the middle. And this is
your main man.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
This is the man who should stand up and say
we're going down here. But I will get to every contest.
I will work myself into the ground. I will make
Toby Pink think that this is the artist. Toby pink
could be one of the more.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Disappointed because's played a ripping game. But when you said
to him it was a lot to play on, Charlie,
I reckon, he'd say nothing like I thought. He didn't
lay one tackle for the game, Charlie. You know, not
a single tackle for the game. And there's seven games
this year, where as a later tackle. He's got to
be better, Charlie than this. He doesn't get to enough contest.
He doesn't want to be the man. He doesn't want
to be the boa who the indictment with indictment, Mitch
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McGovern lit him up in the last quarter that should
have been Charlie lighted him up.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Get to the contest. Kick the goals, excite the fans.
Mitch McGovern's run around.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Trying to pump everyone up because he got on a
bit of a roll. And I look at the other
end of the ground for comparison, and Nick Clarky's going
like a bustard, right.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Nick Clarky's going as bad as Charlie.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Nick Larky works his backside off every single contest. Nick
Larky's in it's like a life and death contest. He's
laid five tackles, he's throwing his body around, he's backing
in the Charlie's playing like a third tour. He's playing
out on the flank and he's just sort of not
really getting himself.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I know he's not help by the way they set
it up, by the way they kick it inside fifty yard,
but he doesn't to me, they go they set it
up for Charlie to be the match winner, and Charlie
doesn't look like he wants to be the match winner.
That's the guts of it for me. He doesn't say
get out of my way. The amount of times the
players folded back and ended up in a two on
one because he doesn't demand all these blokes are sitting
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there with their defenders right in front of him, and
they're five or six times the ball comes back for
a one on one and their man comes off. Charlie's
got to own what's going on. Instead of going it
just looks like me, he goes, I don't really want
to be yet Mitch mcgavan said get out of my road, Charlie,
and that's, you know, for whatever Mitch McGovern is. He
walked in and said, I'm going to go, you get out,
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and he went and went on a bit of a turn.
So that to me is a bit of a measure
where he's at, and it's really disappointing. Didn't a single
tackle for the game, had seven touches.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Playing on tob Pinkuzah.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
He's a journeyman who's getting better and better. Walked off
the ground without a goal. That kind of sums it
up for me where they're at.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's emblematic of a bit of a defeatism.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, I reckon and we keep going on, but they've
got the look I got him and they've got him
and they got him.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, but he him, Charlie, you don't want to be him.
He wants someone else to be him. So emblematic is
the word of that.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Level of frustration the coach. So this is this fourth season.
We concede in the aftermath that he expected them to
be further advanced. He moved his language from that's not
us to the gap between our best and worst.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Is too wide.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Is there's a desperation these days to get to is
he going to get sacked or not? We're not quite
there yet. The question is can So they're going to
have to win some games on the way in. They're
six and eight with nine to play, and that the
frustration boiled over a three quurt of times. So clearly
they're not playing in the manner that they're sup was
to be playing. And so can this coaching stuff and
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can Michael Voss embed in this group a style that
looks like it will be successful next year?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
He has been able to pass, but the confidence in
him being able to do it again and this next
nine weeks has diminished somewhat, I think.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And I'm not after Michael Voss's either.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I like what he does does, but the manner in
which they play has just not kept pace with.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
The manner in which the game has evolved.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And then so then the next move for Voss is
to go, can I get a bit more imaginative?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Can I try?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And so I've talked about Charlie. Charlie has got Maddie
Richardson capability. Maddy Richardson went under a wing and nearly
won a Brown. He do something about it as the
game on files he played in the end, he said Chincoto,
who tagged really well, you know he's made his name.
They sent him to Kayla Daniel when mkirchey and Sesel
got off the chain and had massive and Daniel had
nine touches anyway, and I'm thinking that's a strange one.
(14:52):
He played the coning forward and pitting it in the ruck.
And Tom Decanney, you know, he hasn't kicked more than
double figure goals in his career in season and he's
been a tear away ruck success in reason.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Let him go. So they're there's specifics.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
The rest of it is game plan and style, and
I think Vossi's you know, he's cut his teeth on
contest and clearance.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's it's the same old.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Thing I wrote about these guys early in the year,
the worst kicking team in the competition. So if you're
going to try and build a more expansive game, you
can't do it if you haven't got kickers. Well, here
we are around seventeen and they're still bottom three in
the competition for kicking. So it's tires the hand behind
your back. You want to be more expansive, if you
want to take the game on, you keep turning it over,
you get gun shy and you go back into old habits.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So year one they went twelve and ten and agonized them.
They missed the finals under him. Then they go thirteen
nine and one and go on that epic run in
the final series which takes into the prelim. Last year,
they're second at this stage and it's a total collapse
from there and they fall into the finals by virtue
of the good grace of Freemattle of not being able
to noil down to place this year, and we don't
(15:56):
say it for the first time.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
They just don't look any good.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
They're six and eight and their tenh and with what
they've got to Corme me, it's very hard the forecast
where they finish up.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
But it is. It's regression.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's not the gap between their best and the worst.
This is straight out regression now it is.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And beaten Geelong. I was at that game.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I did it round seven and he thought, oh hey, yeah,
this is a bit more like modern day footy. But
then since then they've dropped off and beaten se Kiledres
and West Coast and lost to most of all the
other teams.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So then you get back to what this club is.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
So that's now the question is is it in the walls?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So this administration has preached stability like born again Christians
and it did serve them well the last time they
reached this sort of flashpoint. But it's a recurring cycle
and it feels like today. So Patrick Crips is there again.
He did this for Brendan Bolton, he did this for
David tig and now he does it.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
For Michael Voss.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
When times are half it's the most important time to
stay together and stay united. And for a lot of
years now I had that stronger together sort of mindset.
And you know, it's easy to do that when we're winning.
It's bloody hard to do it when you have some
tough losses. So my message with the saying like we're
sticking fat together, you know, sort of buying in and
really get behind us and you know we'll turn it around.
It's it's going to take a lot of work, on
(17:14):
a lot of effort, but you know we're going to
say united.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
What you should be further ahead in development.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Obosusly sort of spoke of that on the weekend, that
this is not a team that you know should be building,
it's a team that should be ready to contend.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Now.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Yeah, I like without a doubt, But at the same time,
like when his life always go to plant like it's
not linear. So I've never had a year where it's
all gone to plan and you know, it's it's been
smooth sailing, like in the year that we did get
on a run, like we'll four and eight at one stage.
So it's you just got to stick together if you'll
find a way through it. And you know, we knew
(17:46):
the outcome, the whole journey wouldn't be that fun.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
So don't don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I don't want to be in this.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Position, but also realistic that we'll find our way out
of this position.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
So it's a vicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
If you think back over recent times, Greg Swann came
in to change it, Brian Cook came in to change it,
Dennis Pagan was brought in as the mastermind. Then the
savior is going to be Mick Moldause and now people
saying it's Graham right, and it could be John Lotemire's
they out they're living the same cycle over and over
and over.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
How does it change?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's a good point, Well, how does it change? How's
it changed right now? For Carlton fans? And I'm not
going to ask you. You're in the cold face of
this from a public point of view? Is this bigger
than it has been in recent times because of the
saturation of the coverage of the game, And therefore we're
geting to do a stage with our carton supporters that
you can identify by name, given the amount of airtime
(18:36):
they get these and I get it, that's their passion.
In news gone by, they'd walk off and take that
home and sit in the backyard with their mates and moan.
And now it's all put out in the public place.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So is it bigger than it actually is?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So it's over the club is overly emotional. Lot the
people inside, it's overly emotional, and it's bordering on destructive.
And I do liken it to what we've just lived
through with Tottenham Hotspur, and I'm glad to be done
with them because that's a really unhealthy environment. So the
rise was absolutely glorious to a preliminary final man. It
unlocked all that is good about Carlton and then to
(19:10):
have it wrenched away so quickly, we're back in the
This is a generation old dwelling now.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
To be at the bottom of the well.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's not to be critical of the supporter supporters have
got every right to be emotional and to be jubilant
in victory and despondent in loss. Now they've had more
loss than victory in recent times.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
But how do you get out of it? Where you
just go back.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And make good decisions, to make good decisions, that's the
bottom line.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
There's every club and not my club.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I've been there, and until you start making good decisions
and less and less poor decisions, then you start.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
To get your way out. So yeah, you don't need
to massigh I.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
But Graham right has got history of making good decisions
and he's got to make really good decisions now from
this point forward.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And that's around Tom the goning, and that's around where they.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Keep the list as it is, where they go, No,
let's strip this back and get some bugs that can kick,
and get some bokes a bit flexible. So there's no secret.
I've never been brave enough to do it. There's no
secret one I would imagine. You just got to make
good decisions.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Cast a plan, follow it through, and be right.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So that's the hardest part is you don't know in
real time whether you're going to be get rights. Is
the list needs work, they'd have to pull it apart underground.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I don't think there's any doubt that it needs work.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Okay, that's the Carlton discussion.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
The rest, well, what we know is there are nine
and there are only eight seats, and so the shuffle,
the movement from week to week becomes more profound as
we go.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And that was right before us. On the weekend, there.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Spects will be a game that are caught strong. But
there we're vulnerable as well, you know, at different times,
and you know, we're not shying away from the fact
that we haven't been able to be you know, most
of the teams above us and there are above us
and higher up on the latter for a reason, they're
(20:55):
the better teams in the competition.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
When we put it together, I think we're a pretty
good team.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
You know.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
With that, we need to become a little bit more
consistent with our in game stuff, particularly to be the
team that we want to be. But I think I
think we're we're on tractor, but you know, to build
that consistency and become that team.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
By last year or third eighth, we've got to the buy.
This year we're second, so funnier thing still to work on.
But I think the boys have done a good job
to win a flag and then whether the storm at
the first part of the year, it hasn't been smooth sailing.
All the teams come at you. So I'm pretty pleas.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Aware we're at get the win when you need it,
make sure you don't fumble what's in front of you.
And then the teams who are in your areas, they're
going to have to play Nason letters with me most
weeks from here Gas, just to see what the shake
up looks like. Two and three traded places. They played
each other for it. The Giants and Gold Coast result
was pretty profound. But Gold Coast are outside, but they
(21:55):
have played either one or two fewer games than those
up ahead, and the Bulldogs back in after a little
exit on the outside.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
So team at a.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Time, we'll start with the Bulldogs seven and zero per
percentage of two hundred against the Non nine.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They just keep setting it all up, getting all your
pieces in place, make sure you sound and in good
form for when the bigger challenges come.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And that's what they've done.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So Marcus is purring, Sam Darcy's getting better, injury free
the midfield in the absence of Bonton Pali has grown
in the early part of the year.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I think Rory Love is really important in the back half.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
So they're beautiful placed to take on the challenge of
trying to write what is the only sort of wrong
and that is that haven't been anyway.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, they're one and six against them the eight that matter.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, so no, they're great. They're not really great. They're
exactly where they would want to be and say, bring
on the challenges.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
The cost of yesterday as Adam trelaw So, thirty two
year old runner up in the Best and Fairest last year,
has had a really interrupted season calf strain six weeks
that puts him right at the back end of the
home and away see and has played four games so
first up got injured against Port Adelaide, had a handful
of weeks off. First up against Hawthorne, was a bit
(23:09):
hobbled in that game, got through one and then injured
in the next. He's on a very fine line now.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
He's at the bonus stage. Now if he gets back,
he's a bonus. They've got coverage, they got and the
game moves quickly and moves pasty, which is hard for Adam.
I hope he gets back, but Ed Richards taken over
that role.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
He's their main man in there. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I love what the Giants did their last quarter. Just
refused to yield. And this is a trait that Adam
Kingsley would be totally admiring of his group. I mean,
this is a really good game of footy there on
the back foot for most of it. They gave up
the first four goals of the game, but they just
didn't yield and it got to the last quarter and
it was just they made the most of every time
(23:51):
they went inside forward fifty. So you look at some
of this stuff and I'm sure Dimma would be disappointed
having gone through it the take today or yesterday whenever
they reviewed the game. But this GWS side who aren't
quite where they need to be in terms of playing,
and they've got a couple out but I'll.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Tell you what they do, Jared, is they don't roll over.
They don't refuse to roll up.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
So they've got these wins against Collingwood, Brisbane and Geelong
and now they've got two huge last quarter comebacks whilst
at other times looking like they're ninth and ninth.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And that boat kind of summed them up in the end,
didn't he Jake Stringer comes on as a sub and
just puts it out across They gets them across the line.
So this is a final series that if they get
in I'm going to enjoy watching him play because they
will be honest as a day is long.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And that's a good starting point I reckon for any.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Time Stringer looks like a good sub, doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, he does, he does until you're playing, and yeah
he does.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I leave it at that. He looks like a good.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Sub, proper impact player.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Temptation might be to get more of that. Yes, ont
of the game at some stage, and.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
The Brisbane lines left a big impression on us on
Friday night.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yes, the coach Chris Fagan just had it little. You know,
everyone else is worried about us, but where not. He
had a quiet, steely confidence going into this game. And
I love the way they played you. They took the
ball off the line. You look down the line. There
you see Jack Henry thinking they're going to go straight
down the line. You see Tommy Stewart peeling back, and
all of a sudden, Zach Bailey hits up the leader.
(25:18):
So they did this a couple of times coming out
of the back half, and they executed it really, really well.
They're aggressive with their ball movement right from the word go.
We love this in the end from Charlie, he's just
twisted his hips at the last minute and put the
arms in the air and set good.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
So that was a I thought that.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Was the best performance of the weekend and reminded everyone
just how good this list is. Their midfield's very very good,
and Cameron is a good player and Harris was great
in the back half.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
They were spiritually there and they were so sophisticated in
the tactics that they rolled out no problem for me.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
For the Cats, it was a horrible night.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
They played terrible, but they still managed to take plenty
of shots of goal throughout the course of the night.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
So it's set up.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
These teams are going to be involved in that point
the end of the year and I'll have a break
Brisbane and Geelong there and the Giants and the Bombers,
and then they'll come back and run hard home to
the to the end of the year. So I loved,
in fact didn't like it. I love what Brisbane did.
I didn't think they were going to do it. I
thought you long and went on Friday night. They had
a terrible night, but Brisbane.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Were outstanding all right.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Let's bring it in our coaches, Damien Hardwick and Adam Moose,
so the old coach of Richmond and the new both
on the wrong side of it on the weekend. Damien
Hardwick with plenty to pour through from how it unfolded
across the day in Sydney and Adam Moose so poor
either side of the bye.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
But there's been a lot more to like about the
Tigers than that. Mary.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You're just looking at me.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
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