Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Monday the 11th of August with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for a huge edition of AFL 360, discussing a highly entertaining Round 22. What will the Brisbane Lions’ costly Swans loss mean for their title defence? What’s happened to the Collingwood Magpies, as their late-season form slump deepens? Fremantle Dockers Icon Nat Fyfe announces his retirement at the end of this season and Melbourne’s search for Simon Goodwin’s replacement continues as Simmo & Horse both rule themselves out.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Brisbane Lions suffer the costly loss and suddenly the
defending premiers are at maximum rice.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's amiss at Collingwood? How deep do the magpie woes run?
As a double chance is now in jeopardy.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And our coaches are either side of the cuts in
the year of living dangerously. Luke Beveridge and Adam Kingsley
are with us.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We've talked about is this step into it, embrace all.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Of it in the room and reason it's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain tape,
the man on.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and Andrew said, president left the cup.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I order said, of course they do. It is the
stuff that legends are made of. What is holding the ball?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Something wrong, you know, And I need to get and
the board sexually. The fans lover and with no fans
no through sixty year.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Old tension days. That was the theme of round twenty two.
We only had the one upset, but there was maximum tension.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And a few joys of not being in contention with
the team that you follow, Jared, that you can sit
back and just watch, But Dad, I was everywhere there
was Marx, there's match saving marks. You're in finals, you're
out of finals. Thankfully we're alive. Still two weeks to
go after a meandering season. Jared, it's just build into
a climb.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It would have been awful if the Bulldogs had got
beaten for the overall construct.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You might have got the sugar here, correct. I can
see being a picture. It's good for the competition.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
There has been a curious investigation which has run over
the past twenty four hours out of the AFL's integrity departments.
So it was sparked by a still shot of photo
which there's a fair chance you've been sent on social
media over the past day or so, and it led
to all manner of innuendo. It wasn't accompanied by the
necessary vision to give you an idea of the context
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and potentially the full story. This is the fleeting interaction
on Saturday between Nick Blakey and Henry Smith that this
is the angle as to why the AFL needed to
investigate what had happens When everyone got a little bit handsy,
we went through a couple of different phases with this
during the day goes.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
We did, Jared. The first photo I looked at, I said,
on a minute, and then this bit of vision, I went,
hang on a minute, and then the other bit of
vision which turned up. I said, hang on a minute.
So yeah, they needed to look at that and this
young man, as I think that's unnecessary. The AFL have
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cleared him of anyone I'm doing. There's no complaint from
Sydney or Nick Blakey. I think it's unnecessary. I know,
I just thought he lost his balance and put his
hand down for balance. Initially, that would suggest that there's
another action to it, which is not. It's just not
what we need. So you know, if they find him
then it wouldn't have surprised me. In the end, they've
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probably and sent a message to him pretty clear to say, hey,
this is not in any circumstance and this is the
benefit of having multiple angles, Jared, because initially, you know,
I thought it was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever seen,
and then you said the reverse angler and you go, nah,
fair enough and not on from that young man, and
probably lucky he's not right now to.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Check both players spoken to no complaint laid officially, so
the AFL's concluded no further action to be taken.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Had Nick and Lizard Nick Lakey thought that these tyl
had been pulled enough to put up a complaint, well
then we might be looking at something different.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
All right, here's how our week shapes on three point
sixty Luke Beveridge and Adam Kingsley. So the coaches who
said eighth and ninth in the tense run home with
two to play. We'll pick it all apart and then
hand over to couch where they'll cast the big opinions
of the how and the why with Jack Jordie, Jonathan
Brown and Nathan Buckley. Tomorrow nights, Players Night, we're going
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to take a special look at the AFLW as it
launches on Thursday nights at the Captain of Carlton and
Collingwood Rubs is going to be here, and Aby Adamkay
is here as well. Raises says a big tribunal Tomorrow
night was pretty well first to blow the whistle on
the dangerous push.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's where we find ourselves now.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Simon Goodwin is confirmed he's going to be here on
Wednesday night, so we'll relive the past week with him,
and then our coaches who have taken themselves out of
the prospect of coaching again anytime soon. Adam Simpson and
John Long might as well, and Emma More and Laura
Kane for the AFLW preview. So that's what we have
lined up. Our Monday nights start with the awarding of
the GVPS, which is really reaching more tense space the
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most valuable players and the estimation of Gary Lyon from
the previous rounds donated complicated because it's the best prize
in forty ninety three thousand dollars worth of machinery. The
Ford Mustang GT fastback, iconic design, unreal performance, five liter,
the eight engine goes like a tree.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Don't over complicated, no fear nor favor, and it's just
my opinion and unfortunately for everyone else out there that
yours doesn't matter in this instance, so that's just mine.
Ed Richards was magnificent at the MC yesterday. He was
absolutely superbing in amongst a whole myriad of great individual efforts,
he was the one that stood out for me. I
thought he was brilliant. I thought he's had just an
outstanding year. He's going to pole well on the Brownlow Medal.
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I think he's an all Australian lock and he kicked
the two goals that just put him across the line
and kept this season alive. So you've got to take
into account the circumstance. They're staring down the barrel and
I know we'll talk about Sandarsi's market a moment, but
I thought this bloke was the defining reason they won.
So one to Ed Richards two. Matthew Rowl.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I watched it in action. I watched him in action.
He just takes your eye, Jaredy. He takes your eye
and it's kind a bit sticky towards the end, but
he was the one they actually didn't jump out of
the blox early. Can't. We really compared him all night.
But he'll be pack polling a lot of boats because
when you watch him and I don't get to see
the gold coat sons live as much as others do. God,
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he catches your eye. He's a brilliant, brilliant player. He's
tough and hard and courageous and fair. He breaks tackles,
he tackles himself. Jaredy had he tackled sixteen. Yes, the
possessions third a scorer involvements. I love watching him play,
so he gets two. And then Isaac Heeney, who I've
mentioned a couple of times is playing games that you
just don't play too often, has done it again third time.
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He's kicked five goals more as a midfield or four
of the floats into the midfield or midfield and it
floats down the other end. It's kicked thirty five goals
for the year. And he's kicked five goals three times,
multiple goals in a number of occasions. And again you're
playing against the team. They're playing for their life and
on their home deck. And look at that just separates
himself to everything. So this is what is about this award.
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It's players that appeal to you. You might be different
to me, he appeals to me, which I suspect.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We were going to put this in camera, but it's
frankly too exciting to do that. We have three equal
leaders now on nine votes, Patrick Dangerfield, Isaac Heeney and
Matt Rowe. We have Toby Green and Jesse Hogan.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And as it goes, we're just going to go all
the way through the phone all the way every Monday
where we sit here, we're casting votes. Isaac going to
get busy.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Then the steel side bottom causing figure Tom Green and
Nick daycos joint leaders.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The thrilling prospect been three.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I haven't thought that through all right, Let's get into
the agenda and at the top of it, the team
that best personifies how narrow the margins in this season
are at the defending champions, the Brisbane Lions. Last week
we sat and hailed their best footy is the best
there is. And this week they've had the loss, the
changes everything, this.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
One's hang on.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Nothing can make up for.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
The paid of a Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Loss, but making life difficult for the team that inflicted
those wounds. We'll have to do, have to do and
a Lion's top four chances and our skating on fit ice.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's a weird goo is it? You get a really
good win in the last week. I think it cleaned up,
had a big way to Yeah, Okay, a week's a
long time in football, isn't well? How good they looking
Mass Saturday.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Got when you put it next to the Gold Coast
Suns performance.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The lines two of the last.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Three weeks have made great there's no guarantees for them
and he's lost double chance.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think this is a double chance And the look
on Chris Fagan's face is exactly that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
If they lose to Freemantle next week they will have
to beat Hawthorne around twenty four to make it.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And none of us called the Brisbane would be in
this conversation now, none of us would a lot lighter
did a bit wrong. Then we kept going, we kept
hanging in there and having the crack at the game.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So yeah, Disporting to lose that.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Cleaned up on their home deck and now the toughest
trip from Brisbane is over to Perth. They still want
there to do it in the final round. They are
on fourteen and half wins, which last year saw them
finish fifth, two points out of the double chance. Fourteen
and a half wins might condemn them to ninth. So
they cover the whole span home finals. Double chance missed
the eights. That's a tough spot to be. The snake
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games you love playing is I've never seen it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I can't remember anything like it where it swings games
and not just position inside the eight, but whether or
not you're going to contend in final series or at stake,
so you can't even lock away free Man, or you
can't lock away Brisbane. They play each other this weekend,
which is just extraordinary that it's fallen like this. So anyway,
let's just get to it. I can't wait there for
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at the start in front of you. Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, So they're going through the hardest draw we've ever seen.
They're double up games five against top nine teams and
the other one was Sydney to at ten. So no
team's ever been subjected to that they now have. They
are in the grip of injury at exactly the wrong time.
And I think the telling elements watching on Saturday was
four of their Premiership defenders were missing them when the
Swan's got the run on. There was no connection down
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back to hold on by just for two minutes or
four minutes or six minutes. They just leaked goals in
that time and.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That doesn't help, I know. But I spoke long and
hard today with someone who knows this game backwards and
inside out and just said that this sprisbone side this
year more than any other. It can tell really early
on where they're at, which is that it's not that
they pick and choose it's just at their level of
intensity and desire and unconditional attack on the footy, and
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the man with the footy is being determined a little
bit by who they're playing over the journey. So Colling
would turn up Bank I remember vividly down at Geelong
GMHBA starting. They turn up bang. Within a heartbeat, you
knew they were on. And yet you come to this
game where the seasons on the line, top four even finals,
and very quickly you established that that level of intensity,
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the unconditional stuff that the Chris Fagan demands wasn't there, Jared,
it wasn't there. And when they get into that mood,
they get done, and they get done badly against opposition
sides you don't think they will. So their record when
they're up and they're on is imposing. But if they're not,
it's not. So I can merely guarantee you what they'll
be like on Friday night against Freeman and Freemantle will
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be there forewarned and forearmed, Which is why you want
to get in front of the TV on Fox Footy
and watch this on Friday night because it is on
for all the chips.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Is this the tyranny of being the defending chance. Yes,
the campaigns that run so long.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yes, it is. And we'll get to another one who's
hit a bit of a brick wall as well. It
is a long, long, demanding season, Jared, and back to
back would have to be one of the hardest things
to do. I know it's happened in recent times, but
I'd never pick a back to backup because of the
vagaries of a twenty what is that a twenty eight
week preparation and then you as you mentioned that you
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lose personnel along the way. But this is a mindset
thing for this group as much as anything else. They
lost my two points in the end. They got busy
towards the end, but they went That was a low,
low pressure game from a team that has to play
in the red zone.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The margin fairer is now gone, so we'll see that
should be in the reds. Yeah, yeah, what a fascinating
case they are. And the other is Collinwood, the last
two champs. There was no effort made by the coach
in disguise where Collingwood finds itself as the full travail
is losing four out of five revealed itself pretty rawly
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on Thursday, nights.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, I apologize to Mayo. That's a disappointed performance.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Appointment.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You can't work out that we're hurting, that one really hurt,
that one really hurts.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's a seismic shift. BA colly Wood look really ordinary.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
They've looked unorganized back Middle Aid front. They look a
bit rattle. It's just starting to sort of unravel.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Just a lack of system and then a lack of
fight sometimes at the same time.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
We just had some really poor efforts. This is the
reality of what we've got right now, Collingwood now and
a flat spin now, it's all starting to look a
bit broken.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
The big alarm bell for me is they started to
look fumbly and they started to panic, which means your
confidence is shocked. Like I've always said to applies, nothing's permanent.
Nothing's permanent. You're one hundred and fourteen thousand members to
expect a certain amount of effort.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
We didn't have it.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So you get disappointed with that judges on our response
to create a headline.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But yeah, bring it on, we've got it.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
We've got to turn up.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Craig McRae's got some serious thinking to do, thinking to do.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And now a bound for Adelaide to face the Crows.
So after a performance like that Gas, there's always two choices.
You can minimize, you can deflect, you can disguise, you
can insulate all you can face the full catastrophe.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And it was.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Instructive that the coach faced the full catastrophe.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Had no choice in the end. So it's four or five,
So you've got to own up to it. You've got
two games to get it right, otherwise you're potentially not
there at all. This is a fascinating case study because
this is a term that lost the first game, and
then it depends what camp you're in. The whole footy
world went a bit mad and said, this is what
happens when you're old. That's not what's going to make
the difference after one game of footy. Whether you're old,
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that doesn't matter. Everyone can get through eight games of
footy if they're old. Where it'll get you is now,
that's what it is. And I'm not being a revisionist.
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
You said judge them informants.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Don't judge them on round one and say they're old
and slow. That's nonsense. But in a twenty two twenty
four week season, the thirty pluses will feel the pinch
and that is that's fat, that's nothing. No one's ever
beaten father time. I say it all the time, and
it'll get all these bokes at some stage and maybe
it's just got a hold of a few of them
four or five, two three, whatever it is, but this
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is where it is. So now know four from five
older legs, big campaigns. If you're thrown around, then you
get injury on top of it, and then you start
clutching at straws all of a sudden, Billy Franpton come,
David Dench to, oh you come back and fix us.
No we won't. Now Jeremy Howe's out that Jeremy has
a really good player. But you've sold system to us
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all the way through One in one out. We're a
system based footy side. Will go back to being the
system based footy side. And you know then you've got
selection integrity around Mitchell, around Ned Long, who is another
great example of a player that was up for a
long period of time. Fantastic story. But it grinds you
down as well, Jared. So they're not out of it.
So the Collingwood fans can jump onto the US against
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them and you're calling us a hold and slave and
all that sort of stuff. That is fine. They've just
got to get their They're the best pressure team I've
seen this year when they're pressuring in the manner they are.
Can they do it again? Are they too tired or
they too beaten up? They're too worn down? They got
too many other issues at play? I don't know, but
they guard to a joint that is really familiar to
them and they love playing it. So again, how good
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is that Saturday night against the top of the table.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So the circumstances are perfect. This is where Collingwood thrives best.
Ye circle the wagons, get on the road into enemy territory.
They've won ten in a row at the ground, They've
had it over the Crows. The question is forward. They
are not threatening in the way that they were the
mid just when they had their older collection in the
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middle and you went for We still relying on that
to get it done. For me, it's the defense and
the form of Darcy Moore, which has been well exposed.
But that moment where you tap the ball and what
is that? And then it sort of all flowed through there.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
What I've all written down I've got ridden, you know.
So Jamie Elliott's not Jamie Heller is the all Australian
that we thought he was in there, Then you've got
long Mitchell Pendley side bottom side. He was going to
win the Brownlow laughway, you know, all those they just
come off slightly. But I'm also with you because we
talked about the backs and how you've got to make
them defend laterally. Last week we said they're a great
straight line when they got out marked straight line as well.
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So not only did they get beaten laterally last week,
they got beaten down the line. And they're coming up
against the side who do down the line better than
anyone else, with a big monster and a beard, and
they do lateral with rankin and all the others as
well as anyone. So the challenge is immense for this
footy club. They've risen to it before over in Adelaide,
and we'll find out whether they can rise to it
again at the most important time of the year when
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the stakes are the.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Highest top two, top four or bound for elimination finals
or a must win game with Melbourne at the end.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
As well.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The other developing story tonight is out of the West
and there's a modern day greater Dual Brownlow medallist. Nat
Fife has determined that his sixteenth season will be his last.
He's toiled away for the past four or five years,
but there was a period of time where he was
the absolute personification of the modern game. And in that
period of time, from his first Best and Fairest in
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twenty thirteen to his second Brownlow medal in twenty nineteen,
those are the fifth years.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, there's two time Brownlow medalists who at different stages.
As you short thought he'd win four. He's just the superman.
He looked like a superhero, looked like a movie star,
and played like it. And think about him, Jared, he
was tough, like he had the skill set. His kicking
was the only knock on him. But he was as
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hard and as tough as any of the modern era.
And I enjoyed watching him play as much as anyone
in recent time. So it's a career to be celebrated tonight,
and hopefully for his sake, there's still work to be done.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, so immensely grateful was the theme of the first
part of it. The second was that they're right in
it and his last quarter said he's right in it.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
True.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You come at the right time, hasn't he? So Hayen
Young hopefully gets back for their sake. But he's a
nice one to be able to throw in them they needed.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Because the first phase when he came back, he didn't
look like he had a place anymore. But that was
really reassuring.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I thought that last. I love him to be how
to play through September and maybe do something really special,
have the Crawlford exit.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
What sort of sub would he be in a cut
throat final, So I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Know whether you can keep him on the sand for
that long, but well done. I mean he will be celebrated.
They've got games to be played still, so that the
game is bigger than the individual. But he'll be celebrated
at the right time in a big, big one. Have
they got.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They've got Matthew Pavlechu's into the Hall of Fame and
Fife who will follow him in. So they are the
two defining figures of the early years.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Of the fairy. That is one of the great cvs
of the modern era.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
No question, all right, we salute that five and have
a few more weeks to enjoy him. And we'll see
what role he has to play.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
In September.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
The coaching landscape took shape across the weekend. There's both
of our coaches, John Longmar and Adam Simpson, and God
took the introspection again. Would I think they realized that
after your and follow, I'm going to have to determine
in my own mind, So they did the necessary introspection.
I don't think it's a surprise to either of it,
not one But now is not the time, not.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
One bit, and right call when you're aways say if
you're ninety nine percent certain you want to coach, you're
not certain enough.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And then so what what is Melbourne doing? They're working
behind the scenes to put their list together at the moment,
and I think there's this unfortunate dynamic, and it's created
by us on the outside that suddenly Nathan Buckley is
the presumptive candidate and that's before either the club or
he himself have done the full process to work out
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who's who and what's what.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, that's not fair on Nathan and anyone that's saying
that's just big note and grandstanding themselves, because I'm certain
that they're not aware of what they're doing. So what
they need to do is do you meet tomorrow they
announce their selection squad and then cast the biggest net
across the wide as expanse of the country. There's no rush.
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They've got a time to get it on. There's no
one else in the marketplace right now. Do the thorough,
thorough search. Fly wherever you need to fly, get in
front of whoever you need to get in front of,
which would include Nathan Buckley of course. And if it
spits out Nathan Buckley, it spits out Johnny Smith and
great get the best candidate. What they don't want is
to have this perception that it's a boat race and
that someone's already been picked. That's a nonsense and that's
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been perpetuated by someone people who don't know which is
you know, then you get other candidates going, hang on
a minute, is this or isn't it? So the Football
Club Melbourne need to be really really clear tomorrow. I'd
imagine they'll make some announcement and say, hey, this is
a job that is to be secured and hopefully coveted.
It's not a job that's been decided. The are the messages.
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Go for your life, get the best candidate and then
jump in behind whoever they choose. Yes, yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You don't want the perception for a set of coaches
who are thinking about am I going to go through it?
I'm going to put the intellectual effort into it. Am
I going to present my best material?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That's happened before you? Yeah, there have been coaches before
and this is fact that have been boat races, which
is not fair to anyone. And then that is not
the case here. And if anyone suggests that is they're
talking rot and they need to throw this open and
the Meltin Footy Club should benefit from getting access to
the best possible candidates. If you sacking your coach three
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weeks out, do your work. Now, go to work and
see see what you can find.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And you want to know what Melbourne are thinking. So
that much is unclear at the moment. All we have
is the holding statement from the president who won't be
the leader next year. That's they believe this group should
be making finals. Yeah, that come, everyone's got work to do.
This is where I feel for Bucks who's been put in.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And this is Nathan Nathan Buckley has done is what
you would expect and hope someone has got coaching aspirations
to do. So, yeah, this is an interesting Guffey used
word compelling a couple of times, and what will be
will be. Then then Bucks can do what Bucks needs
to do. It's going to get through tonight. So I
think you're right. So I hope that Melbourne make that
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really clear tomorrow that this is a wide, wide open
search and the search is on.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Let's bring it in our coaches who are living the
tension piece out the moments the Bulldogs went to the
edge at the three quarters time and pulled it back
to stay alive and keep this run for eight or
beyond very much alive. And on the other side is
Adam Kingsley. His giants hold eighth, his possession intensive alw
The Brisbane Lions suffer the costly loss and suddenly the
defending premiers are at maximum rice.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's amiss at Collingwood? How deep do the magpie woes run?
As a double chance is now in jeopardy.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And our coaches are either side of the cuts in
the year of living dangerously. Luke Beveridge and Adam Kingsley
are with us.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We've talked about is this step into it, embrace all.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Of it in the room and reason it's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain tape,
the man on.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and Andrew said, president left the cup.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I order said, of course they do. It is the
stuff that legends are made of. What is holding the ball?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Something wrong, you know, And I need to get and
the board sexually. The fans lover and with no fans
no through sixty year.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Old tension days. That was the theme of round twenty two.
We only had the one upset, but there was maximum tension.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And a few joys of not being in contention with
the team that you follow, Jared, that you can sit
back and just watch, But Dad, I was everywhere there
was Marx, there's match saving marks. You're in finals, you're
out of finals. Thankfully we're alive. Still two weeks to
go after a meandering season. Jared, it's just build into
a climb.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It would have been awful if the Bulldogs had got
beaten for the overall construct.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You might have got the sugar here, correct. I can
see being a picture. It's good for the competition.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
There has been a curious investigation which has run over
the past twenty four hours out of the AFL's integrity departments.
So it was sparked by a still shot of photo
which there's a fair chance you've been sent on social
media over the past day or so, and it led
to all manner of innuendo. It wasn't accompanied by the
necessary vision to give you an idea of the context
(01:53):
and potentially the full story. This is the fleeting interaction
on Saturday between Nick Blakey and Henry Smith that this
is the angle as to why the AFL needed to
investigate what had happens When everyone got a little bit handsy,
we went through a couple of different phases with this
during the day goes.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
We did, Jared. The first photo I looked at, I said,
on a minute, and then this bit of vision, I went,
hang on a minute, and then the other bit of
vision which turned up. I said, hang on a minute.
So yeah, they needed to look at that and this
young man, as I think that's unnecessary. The AFL have
(02:32):
cleared him of anyone I'm doing. There's no complaint from
Sydney or Nick Blakey. I think it's unnecessary. I know,
I just thought he lost his balance and put his
hand down for balance. Initially, that would suggest that there's
another action to it, which is not. It's just not
what we need. So you know, if they find him
then it wouldn't have surprised me. In the end, they've
(02:52):
probably and sent a message to him pretty clear to say, hey,
this is not in any circumstance and this is the
benefit of having multiple angles, Jared, because initially, you know,
I thought it was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever seen,
and then you said the reverse angler and you go, nah,
fair enough and not on from that young man, and
probably lucky he's not right now to.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Check both players spoken to no complaint laid officially, so
the AFL's concluded no further action to be taken.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Had Nick and Lizard Nick Lakey thought that these tyl
had been pulled enough to put up a complaint, well
then we might be looking at something different.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
All right, here's how our week shapes on three point
sixty Luke Beveridge and Adam Kingsley. So the coaches who
said eighth and ninth in the tense run home with
two to play. We'll pick it all apart and then
hand over to couch where they'll cast the big opinions
of the how and the why with Jack Jordie, Jonathan
Brown and Nathan Buckley. Tomorrow nights, Players Night, we're going
(03:44):
to take a special look at the AFLW as it
launches on Thursday nights at the Captain of Carlton and
Collingwood Rubs is going to be here, and Aby Adamkay
is here as well. Raises says a big tribunal Tomorrow
night was pretty well first to blow the whistle on
the dangerous push.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's where we find ourselves now.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Simon Goodwin is confirmed he's going to be here on
Wednesday night, so we'll relive the past week with him,
and then our coaches who have taken themselves out of
the prospect of coaching again anytime soon. Adam Simpson and
John Long might as well, and Emma More and Laura
Kane for the AFLW preview. So that's what we have
lined up. Our Monday nights start with the awarding of
the GVPS, which is really reaching more tense space the
(04:28):
most valuable players and the estimation of Gary Lyon from
the previous rounds donated complicated because it's the best prize
in forty ninety three thousand dollars worth of machinery. The
Ford Mustang GT fastback, iconic design, unreal performance, five liter,
the eight engine goes like a tree.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Don't over complicated, no fear nor favor, and it's just
my opinion and unfortunately for everyone else out there that
yours doesn't matter in this instance, so that's just mine.
Ed Richards was magnificent at the MC yesterday. He was
absolutely superbing in amongst a whole myriad of great individual efforts,
he was the one that stood out for me. I
thought he was brilliant. I thought he's had just an
outstanding year. He's going to pole well on the Brownlow Medal.
(05:11):
I think he's an all Australian lock and he kicked
the two goals that just put him across the line
and kept this season alive. So you've got to take
into account the circumstance. They're staring down the barrel and
I know we'll talk about Sandarsi's market a moment, but
I thought this bloke was the defining reason they won.
So one to Ed Richards two. Matthew Rowl.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I watched it in action. I watched him in action.
He just takes your eye, Jaredy. He takes your eye
and it's kind a bit sticky towards the end, but
he was the one they actually didn't jump out of
the blox early. Can't. We really compared him all night.
But he'll be pack polling a lot of boats because
when you watch him and I don't get to see
the gold coat sons live as much as others do. God,
(05:51):
he catches your eye. He's a brilliant, brilliant player. He's
tough and hard and courageous and fair. He breaks tackles,
he tackles himself. Jaredy had he tackled sixteen. Yes, the
possessions third a scorer involvements. I love watching him play,
so he gets two. And then Isaac Heeney, who I've
mentioned a couple of times is playing games that you
just don't play too often, has done it again third time.
(06:11):
He's kicked five goals more as a midfield or four
of the floats into the midfield or midfield and it
floats down the other end. It's kicked thirty five goals
for the year. And he's kicked five goals three times,
multiple goals in a number of occasions. And again you're
playing against the team. They're playing for their life and
on their home deck. And look at that just separates
himself to everything. So this is what is about this award.
(06:34):
It's players that appeal to you. You might be different
to me, he appeals to me, which I suspect.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We were going to put this in camera, but it's
frankly too exciting to do that. We have three equal
leaders now on nine votes, Patrick Dangerfield, Isaac Heeney and
Matt Rowe. We have Toby Green and Jesse Hogan.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And as it goes, we're just going to go all
the way through the phone all the way every Monday
where we sit here, we're casting votes. Isaac going to
get busy.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Then the steel side bottom causing figure Tom Green and
Nick daycos joint leaders.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The thrilling prospect been three.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I haven't thought that through all right, Let's get into
the agenda and at the top of it, the team
that best personifies how narrow the margins in this season
are at the defending champions, the Brisbane Lions. Last week
we sat and hailed their best footy is the best
there is. And this week they've had the loss, the
changes everything, this.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
One's hang on.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Nothing can make up for.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
The paid of a Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Loss, but making life difficult for the team that inflicted
those wounds. We'll have to do, have to do and
a Lion's top four chances and our skating on fit ice.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's a weird goo is it? You get a really
good win in the last week. I think it cleaned up,
had a big way to Yeah, Okay, a week's a
long time in football, isn't well? How good they looking
Mass Saturday.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Got when you put it next to the Gold Coast
Suns performance.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The lines two of the last.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Three weeks have made great there's no guarantees for them
and he's lost double chance.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think this is a double chance And the look
on Chris Fagan's face is exactly that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
If they lose to Freemantle next week they will have
to beat Hawthorne around twenty four to make it.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And none of us called the Brisbane would be in
this conversation now, none of us would a lot lighter
did a bit wrong. Then we kept going, we kept
hanging in there and having the crack at the game.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So yeah, Disporting to lose that.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Cleaned up on their home deck and now the toughest
trip from Brisbane is over to Perth. They still want
there to do it in the final round. They are
on fourteen and half wins, which last year saw them
finish fifth, two points out of the double chance. Fourteen
and a half wins might condemn them to ninth. So
they cover the whole span home finals. Double chance missed
the eights. That's a tough spot to be. The snake
(09:13):
games you love playing is I've never seen it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I can't remember anything like it where it swings games
and not just position inside the eight, but whether or
not you're going to contend in final series or at stake,
so you can't even lock away free Man, or you
can't lock away Brisbane. They play each other this weekend,
which is just extraordinary that it's fallen like this. So anyway,
let's just get to it. I can't wait there for
(09:37):
at the start in front of you. Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, So they're going through the hardest draw we've ever seen.
They're double up games five against top nine teams and
the other one was Sydney to at ten. So no
team's ever been subjected to that they now have. They
are in the grip of injury at exactly the wrong time.
And I think the telling elements watching on Saturday was
four of their Premiership defenders were missing them when the
Swan's got the run on. There was no connection down
(10:01):
back to hold on by just for two minutes or
four minutes or six minutes. They just leaked goals in
that time and.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That doesn't help, I know. But I spoke long and
hard today with someone who knows this game backwards and
inside out and just said that this sprisbone side this
year more than any other. It can tell really early
on where they're at, which is that it's not that
they pick and choose it's just at their level of
intensity and desire and unconditional attack on the footy, and
(10:29):
the man with the footy is being determined a little
bit by who they're playing over the journey. So Colling
would turn up Bank I remember vividly down at Geelong
GMHBA starting. They turn up bang. Within a heartbeat, you
knew they were on. And yet you come to this
game where the seasons on the line, top four even finals,
and very quickly you established that that level of intensity,
(10:52):
the unconditional stuff that the Chris Fagan demands wasn't there, Jared,
it wasn't there. And when they get into that mood,
they get done, and they get done badly against opposition
sides you don't think they will. So their record when
they're up and they're on is imposing. But if they're not,
it's not. So I can merely guarantee you what they'll
be like on Friday night against Freeman and Freemantle will
(11:14):
be there forewarned and forearmed, Which is why you want
to get in front of the TV on Fox Footy
and watch this on Friday night because it is on
for all the chips.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Is this the tyranny of being the defending chance. Yes,
the campaigns that run so long.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yes, it is. And we'll get to another one who's
hit a bit of a brick wall as well. It
is a long, long, demanding season, Jared, and back to
back would have to be one of the hardest things
to do. I know it's happened in recent times, but
I'd never pick a back to backup because of the
vagaries of a twenty what is that a twenty eight
week preparation and then you as you mentioned that you
(11:51):
lose personnel along the way. But this is a mindset
thing for this group as much as anything else. They
lost my two points in the end. They got busy
towards the end, but they went That was a low,
low pressure game from a team that has to play
in the red zone.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The margin fairer is now gone, so we'll see that
should be in the reds. Yeah, yeah, what a fascinating
case they are. And the other is Collinwood, the last
two champs. There was no effort made by the coach
in disguise where Collingwood finds itself as the full travail
is losing four out of five revealed itself pretty rawly
(12:26):
on Thursday, nights.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, I apologize to Mayo. That's a disappointed performance.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Appointment.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You can't work out that we're hurting, that one really hurt,
that one really hurts.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's a seismic shift. BA colly Wood look really ordinary.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
They've looked unorganized back Middle Aid front. They look a
bit rattle. It's just starting to sort of unravel.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Just a lack of system and then a lack of
fight sometimes at the same time.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
We just had some really poor efforts. This is the
reality of what we've got right now, Collingwood now and
a flat spin now, it's all starting to look a
bit broken.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
The big alarm bell for me is they started to
look fumbly and they started to panic, which means your
confidence is shocked. Like I've always said to applies, nothing's permanent.
Nothing's permanent. You're one hundred and fourteen thousand members to
expect a certain amount of effort.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
We didn't have it.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So you get disappointed with that judges on our response
to create a headline.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But yeah, bring it on, we've got it.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
We've got to turn up.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Craig McRae's got some serious thinking to do, thinking to do.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And now a bound for Adelaide to face the Crows.
So after a performance like that Gas, there's always two choices.
You can minimize, you can deflect, you can disguise, you
can insulate all you can face the full catastrophe.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And it was.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Instructive that the coach faced the full catastrophe.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Had no choice in the end. So it's four or five,
So you've got to own up to it. You've got
two games to get it right, otherwise you're potentially not
there at all. This is a fascinating case study because
this is a term that lost the first game, and
then it depends what camp you're in. The whole footy
world went a bit mad and said, this is what
happens when you're old. That's not what's going to make
the difference after one game of footy. Whether you're old,
(14:40):
that doesn't matter. Everyone can get through eight games of
footy if they're old. Where it'll get you is now,
that's what it is. And I'm not being a revisionist.
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
You said judge them informants.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Don't judge them on round one and say they're old
and slow. That's nonsense. But in a twenty two twenty
four week season, the thirty pluses will feel the pinch
and that is that's fat, that's nothing. No one's ever
beaten father time. I say it all the time, and
it'll get all these bokes at some stage and maybe
it's just got a hold of a few of them
four or five, two three, whatever it is, but this
(15:12):
is where it is. So now know four from five
older legs, big campaigns. If you're thrown around, then you
get injury on top of it, and then you start
clutching at straws all of a sudden, Billy Franpton come,
David Dench to, oh you come back and fix us.
No we won't. Now Jeremy Howe's out that Jeremy has
a really good player. But you've sold system to us
(15:33):
all the way through One in one out. We're a
system based footy side. Will go back to being the
system based footy side. And you know then you've got
selection integrity around Mitchell, around Ned Long, who is another
great example of a player that was up for a
long period of time. Fantastic story. But it grinds you
down as well, Jared. So they're not out of it.
So the Collingwood fans can jump onto the US against
(15:56):
them and you're calling us a hold and slave and
all that sort of stuff. That is fine. They've just
got to get their They're the best pressure team I've
seen this year when they're pressuring in the manner they are.
Can they do it again? Are they too tired or
they too beaten up? They're too worn down? They got
too many other issues at play? I don't know, but
they guard to a joint that is really familiar to
them and they love playing it. So again, how good
(16:17):
is that Saturday night against the top of the table.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So the circumstances are perfect. This is where Collingwood thrives best.
Ye circle the wagons, get on the road into enemy territory.
They've won ten in a row at the ground, They've
had it over the Crows. The question is forward. They
are not threatening in the way that they were the
mid just when they had their older collection in the
(16:40):
middle and you went for We still relying on that
to get it done. For me, it's the defense and
the form of Darcy Moore, which has been well exposed.
But that moment where you tap the ball and what
is that? And then it sort of all flowed through there.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
What I've all written down I've got ridden, you know.
So Jamie Elliott's not Jamie Heller is the all Australian
that we thought he was in there, Then you've got
long Mitchell Pendley side bottom side. He was going to
win the Brownlow laughway, you know, all those they just
come off slightly. But I'm also with you because we
talked about the backs and how you've got to make
them defend laterally. Last week we said they're a great
straight line when they got out marked straight line as well.
(17:17):
So not only did they get beaten laterally last week,
they got beaten down the line. And they're coming up
against the side who do down the line better than
anyone else, with a big monster and a beard, and
they do lateral with rankin and all the others as
well as anyone. So the challenge is immense for this
footy club. They've risen to it before over in Adelaide,
and we'll find out whether they can rise to it
again at the most important time of the year when
(17:38):
the stakes are the.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Highest top two, top four or bound for elimination finals
or a must win game with Melbourne at the end.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
As well.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The other developing story tonight is out of the West
and there's a modern day greater Dual Brownlow medallist. Nat
Fife has determined that his sixteenth season will be his last.
He's toiled away for the past four or five years,
but there was a period of time where he was
the absolute personification of the modern game. And in that
period of time, from his first Best and Fairest in
(18:06):
twenty thirteen to his second Brownlow medal in twenty nineteen,
those are the fifth years.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, there's two time Brownlow medalists who at different stages.
As you short thought he'd win four. He's just the superman.
He looked like a superhero, looked like a movie star,
and played like it. And think about him, Jared, he
was tough, like he had the skill set. His kicking
was the only knock on him. But he was as
(18:33):
hard and as tough as any of the modern era.
And I enjoyed watching him play as much as anyone
in recent time. So it's a career to be celebrated tonight,
and hopefully for his sake, there's still work to be done.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, so immensely grateful was the theme of the first
part of it. The second was that they're right in
it and his last quarter said he's right in it.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
True.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You come at the right time, hasn't he? So Hayen
Young hopefully gets back for their sake. But he's a
nice one to be able to throw in them they needed.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Because the first phase when he came back, he didn't
look like he had a place anymore. But that was
really reassuring.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I thought that last. I love him to be how
to play through September and maybe do something really special,
have the Crawlford exit.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
What sort of sub would he be in a cut
throat final, So I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Know whether you can keep him on the sand for
that long, but well done. I mean he will be celebrated.
They've got games to be played still, so that the
game is bigger than the individual. But he'll be celebrated
at the right time in a big, big one. Have
they got.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They've got Matthew Pavlechu's into the Hall of Fame and
Fife who will follow him in. So they are the
two defining figures of the early years.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Of the fairy. That is one of the great cvs
of the modern era.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
No question, all right, we salute that five and have
a few more weeks to enjoy him. And we'll see
what role he has to play.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
In September.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
The coaching landscape took shape across the weekend. There's both
of our coaches, John Longmar and Adam Simpson, and God
took the introspection again. Would I think they realized that
after your and follow, I'm going to have to determine
in my own mind, So they did the necessary introspection.
I don't think it's a surprise to either of it,
not one But now is not the time, not.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
One bit, and right call when you're aways say if
you're ninety nine percent certain you want to coach, you're
not certain enough.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And then so what what is Melbourne doing? They're working
behind the scenes to put their list together at the moment,
and I think there's this unfortunate dynamic, and it's created
by us on the outside that suddenly Nathan Buckley is
the presumptive candidate and that's before either the club or
he himself have done the full process to work out
(20:34):
who's who and what's what.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, that's not fair on Nathan and anyone that's saying
that's just big note and grandstanding themselves, because I'm certain
that they're not aware of what they're doing. So what
they need to do is do you meet tomorrow they
announce their selection squad and then cast the biggest net
across the wide as expanse of the country. There's no rush.
(20:56):
They've got a time to get it on. There's no
one else in the marketplace right now. Do the thorough,
thorough search. Fly wherever you need to fly, get in
front of whoever you need to get in front of,
which would include Nathan Buckley of course. And if it
spits out Nathan Buckley, it spits out Johnny Smith and
great get the best candidate. What they don't want is
to have this perception that it's a boat race and
that someone's already been picked. That's a nonsense and that's
(21:19):
been perpetuated by someone people who don't know which is
you know, then you get other candidates going, hang on
a minute, is this or isn't it? So the Football
Club Melbourne need to be really really clear tomorrow. I'd
imagine they'll make some announcement and say, hey, this is
a job that is to be secured and hopefully coveted.
It's not a job that's been decided. The are the messages.
(21:41):
Go for your life, get the best candidate and then
jump in behind whoever they choose. Yes, yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You don't want the perception for a set of coaches
who are thinking about am I going to go through it?
I'm going to put the intellectual effort into it. Am
I going to present my best material?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That's happened before you? Yeah, there have been coaches before
and this is fact that have been boat races, which
is not fair to anyone. And then that is not
the case here. And if anyone suggests that is they're
talking rot and they need to throw this open and
the Meltin Footy Club should benefit from getting access to
the best possible candidates. If you sacking your coach three
(22:18):
weeks out, do your work. Now, go to work and
see see what you can find.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And you want to know what Melbourne are thinking. So
that much is unclear at the moment. All we have
is the holding statement from the president who won't be
the leader next year. That's they believe this group should
be making finals. Yeah, that come, everyone's got work to do.
This is where I feel for Bucks who's been put in.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And this is Nathan Nathan Buckley has done is what
you would expect and hope someone has got coaching aspirations
to do. So, yeah, this is an interesting Guffey used
word compelling a couple of times, and what will be
will be. Then then Bucks can do what Bucks needs
to do. It's going to get through tonight. So I
think you're right. So I hope that Melbourne make that
(23:03):
really clear tomorrow that this is a wide, wide open
search and the search is on.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Let's bring it in our coaches who are living the
tension piece out the moments the Bulldogs went to the
edge at the three quarters time and pulled it back
to stay alive and keep this run for eight or
beyond very much alive. And on the other side is
Adam Kingsley. His giants hold eighth, his possession intensive alw
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