Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Tuesday the 9th of September with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for a huge edition of AFL 360 as they discuss the big talking points of the semifinals and prelims, including whether we will see Adelaide Crows’ Josh Rachele feature this weekend and whether we will see the Collingwood Magpies’ Bobby Hill next weekend. They then discuss today’s two big news stories that Sam Draper has told Essendon he wants to leave as a free agent and Melbourne Demons will announce their new head coach before the preliminary finals. Finally, ‘Razor’ Ray Chamberlain joins the show to discuss the mistakes made by umpires throughout the first week of finals, focussing on the Cam Rayner incident in the Brisbane Lions vs. Geelong Cats game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tuesday track.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Watch the Crow's main session as they steal themselves for
the rebounds, or the Magpies keep ticking over with Bobby
Hill presence.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
The Queensland Grudge gets the heightened stage of finals. A
key protagonist and the ultimate antagonist join us.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And raises report card on the Friday night furor how
did we get here with prohibited contacts we've talked about?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Is this step into it?
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Embrace all of it in the room and eat it.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that. They're
on the side of courtia with the brain, take the
man on it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and injury said president left the
couple older say, of course they do.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It is the stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Wrong, you know, And I need to get and the
board sets.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The fans love it and with no fans no through
sixty year.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Old, the Pineapple Grapple, the Sunshine stouts. We should have
brought our four exes. It's a week to be dialed
into everything.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Queensland I watch you shotgun. We should be up there, Jude.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That's where we could have done and just parked ourselves outside,
like some of the big names that wanted up there,
just to bask in the glory of what's taking place
up in Queensland.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
It is the place to be.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
The Little Champ was on Judy, the ultimate little Champ.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I heard this bandit around a Little Champ a bit
over the weekend. This is the ultimate little Champion, Gary,
but one of the.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
He's gone up.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
There to pump the game up here.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So you want all the great names in Queensland for
to be there.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And all we wanted to know was how did gazz
take in and what do you think when the Suns
had their biggest moment yet really.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Enjoyed it was.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I was very nervous.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I actually turned the game off for three quarter time.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
I couldn't watch the last quarter.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
So as I as I just said, I actually turned
the game off for three quarter time.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Came off at three quarters top.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Would you go up and pump the game?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, when you give it, but you'll give it a
bit extra.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Don't you worry about that? What do you think of it?
I was in bed.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Actually I couldn't watch the last core on the plane,
could just.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Run fast asleep.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I did see any of it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
God love him alright, us lorded up for it tonight,
Ray Chamberlain, Dwayne Russell's here and we're heading to Queensland.
Danes Orco and Ben King on either side of this
Q clash in a final series. Then midweek tackle Lauren
Wood with Scott Gallen and Josh Barnes. Is so much
happening in footy at the moment, especially for the teams
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who are out of business now. Twelve of those tomorrow
night our favorite pairing. They make us smarter every week.
Adam Simpson and John Longmire. Brad Scott is going to
be here. There are pertinent questions to answer around Essen
at the moment. They want to set the record straight.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, and there'll be a whole heap of fans will
be hanging off every word.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And the new Grizzly Jock Landale is going to join us.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I hope you're up to.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
We will better get benj on the case.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Hey, at this time of year, we just take a
little peek into training where it's all magnified isn't it.
So the Crows are on Adelaide Oval tonight. It's significant
obviously just to get themselves right for what's coming on
Friday night, but especially for Joshua Shelley who's been out
of business. Well, he's missed eight matches now, so Round
seventeen was the last time he played. The left knee,
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the PCL and the complex injury that he had there.
He is ahead of schedule, but can he force himself
into the side. The Crows are out of business in
the sanfl so all he's got is training to prove
himself and Isaac Rankin now that there is the possibility
he is back on the track and reintegrated.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
With the team.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So Darren Burgers is the main man there from a
strength and conditioning none better in the business. And I
suspect they'll they'll play this young man. I'll be without
any great knowledge just from Afar. We saw Collingwood, you know,
bring back Mason Cox, not from injury, mind you, but
took a risk with him though tomorrow I think they'll
play him. He looks like a player that might thrive
on this big stage. So it doesn't look like he's
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moving like a rolls Royce. But is training. I think
it's important. It's a bit of exorcism happening in here
as well. Get back out on the stage where you're
all failed, look at each other in the eye and
own up and then get on with it and put
it then after training, put it to bed and let's
get looking forward to Hawthorne.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
So I think you'll play, but we will wait and see.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Colin would a ticking over. They've got their big public
session tomorrow. The question constantly the mator is Bobby Hill there?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Now?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
There is a much bigger game at play than what
we're looking at just a football.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Sort of things.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But can he be viable for a preliminary final? And
Jeremy how is out on the track now He's going
to be with his next Tuesday night. It's Saturday week
when they're likely to play, so time is his ally.
But I think the Bobby Hill conversation is the fascinating one, and.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
It is drive lots of the Bay on radio and
television and Colin inches in papers, but no one knows.
We're all guessing so in terms of his preparation, in
terms of how much work he's done and how many
boxes he's ticked. From a whole footy club point of view,
we've got no idea and anyone that suggests they do,
apart from those on the inside, would be guessing. So
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if he plays, you've got to assume that, you know,
he's satisfied the criteria that Craig McCrae's put down, and
they've got it right more often than not Collingwood in
recent times. On pure form and history. He would be
a beautiful addition into that team. There's no question about that.
But aside from that, we know nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And it said as Bobby had asked him to give
him a glimmer of hope. The glimmer of hope is there.
He was able to play that scratch match. Attendance is
obviously compulsory from here, and as you said, what we
don't know is the standards in the locker room and
whether he's actually been able to meet those or not,
and whether it would be the right thing to do
by those standards to bring him in a football side
of things.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So that's for them, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Who missus out is on the basis of a team
that went over and did what they did last week,
So yep, that is one that we will speculate on
for two weeks until such time as the team's announced,
and if they get through there, we'll do it again.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
If he doesn't play all the way up to the Grand.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Final, but again over to the Magpies, and they've got
it right most times.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A couple of the teams who are planning for the future.
So Sam Draper confirmed to Essen today that he is
going to exercise his free agency. This has been a
conversation that's been going for months now. The Brisbane lines
were the favorite throughout Adelaide have made a move. He
didn't tip his hand with the Bombers today. It's widely
believed that he will go to the Lions, and he
does look like precisely what the Lions need just to recap.
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So he spoke about how difficult this period has been
mentally and physically. So if you go back to twenty
twenty one, he had the cindismosis, he misses twelve weeks,
then he plays all of twenty twenty two fourteen games,
sixteen games, five games, knee surgery, the Achilles surgery.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's seventy eight games since.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
His debut in twenty twenty, so he hasn't been able
to be there often enough.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And that's a familiar thread that's running right through this
footy club, which will be interesting to speak to Brad about.
He goes out and acknowledges he'smates, brothers and all the stuff.
For the emotional stuff that we understand. But the bottom
line is he says, I'm walking out the door. You can,
you can say all this now, but I'm leaving you
right now when you probably need me and some stability.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
More than I'm leaving now. I don't begrudge them. That's
the rules.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You can do that, but if you're an essenant fan,
move on and move on quickly. I went back and
had to look at the premiers of the last few years.
Darcy Fort was the ruckman in last year's premiership team
started you can find a ruckman, Jarrett. This is what
I'm saying. The panic won't sit it in. They'll get
compensation and then they'll go to work. They're loaded from
a draft point of view. So Darcy Cameron started his
career at Sydney, ends up at Collingwood, plays as a
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premiership ruckman. Ree Stanley starts it's and killed in Rutsford,
Geelong Max Gorn is a one off and then you
go down to Toby dan Cerver started at Sydney and
if you want to go back a little bit further,
David Hale started at North Melbourne and ruck through, so
you'll find a ruckman if you want to get there.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
You can find ruckman.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
They're not you know, he's a good player, Sam Draper,
but don't don't throw you and burn your membership on
the back. You'll get compensation and then you've got to
rely on your team to get to work and you
can find them.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
They're out there.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Melbourne's finished the first round of coaching interviews over the
previous couple of days. The Best and fairest has been
held tonight and Paul Gaer spoke with David Zeedar, So
this is the chief executive of the Demons.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
A big couple of days.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
And the great thing is for every Melbourne supporter, there's
a number of quality candidates that want to coach the
football club. So you know, we'll sort that out in
the next week. But it's been a really good process
and we've had some really fantastic insights.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But great for.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Melburne supporter has been importantly good for the AFL competition
to know that some real quality coaches ready to coach
AFL teams. I'm sure you wouldn't be oblivious to the
narrative that it's Nathan Buckley's job to lose, and that
even before Simon good and departed there may have been conversations.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
That's a pretty significant narrative. What do you make of
that narrative.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Everyone's going to have their opinion on it. We've been
really clear. You know, we narrowed it down to six.
We've taken them through the process and let's see what
comes out.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
What's the pass mark for you guys? Where do you
expect to be playing? Do you expect to be competing
in September? Yeah, we do.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
That's the intention for the football club. We've seen Adelaide
bounce from fourteenth last year to playing finals. We've got
our best and fairest tonight. We want to be playing finals.
That's what Melbourne players want to be doing, That's what
the club wants to be doing and that's what our
fans expect us to be doing.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So that would have been a fascinating part of the
discussions with prospective coaches. So the list of six had
been publicized Nathan Barkley, James Kelly, Stephen King, Daniel Johns,
Syracusa and Brendan lay Hayden Skipworth didn't go through the process.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
He removed himself last week.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, so I think there's an element of self awareness
about where you're at in the process. With Collingwood's who
have read hot on him and love what he's doing.
Maybe they spoke to him and said, you know, there
was time ahead, but there are things to be done there.
I'm I'm speculating, but there are strong candidates left and yeah,
it was a pretty intense process from all reports, long
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long interviews and impressive candidates. The couple who I'm told
really impressed them. So yeah, we'll wait and see that
spits out.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Having a bit of the geelong DNA in there, given
the success that's been had there, and they belong to
a couple of generations, James Kelly as a player through
the first wave and now as a coach there and
Stephen King the same.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So you sort of you do corner.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Why has this lasted what is it fifteen preliminary finals
since the Mark Thompson years?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
The why and the how?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
When that would have been fascinating to discuss.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, it's what you get when you go through a process,
isn't It's one of the byproducts is you get exposed
to different environments and successful ones in this those instances
for sure. So yeah, they're going to announce that prior
to the preliminary final, so next week.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So yep, so into the final stages pretty quickly, pretty quickly.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I don't mind that can go.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I mean, if you're doing the process and you've got
to make a decision, get going the I don't have
to box trifect there. I'm going gorn take him one
out and then box up.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Are we and pick it right? Yes?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, okay, I won't pay well, but I think it's
pretty so cornick it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
How we go.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Let's get to the furnest, shall we. It was always
going to be the furor that erupted on Friday night
at the MCG when a fateful whistle blue heading to halftime.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
We'll go through him in a moment.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But your first thought spots disgraceful. I'm not a Cat's supporter,
but I was angry.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
That was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It's a final that is so soft. This is the
original one, so that's softest butter.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And here's the second one.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Games have a look at the players coming in and
that's pretty soft as well.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
To run the ball the length of the ground for this,
that's just a nice more decision. It's just a nudge
in the back that happens. It's a thousand times a game.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I thought to myself, I hope it was a big
free kick, not all it wish he was he won.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Hope it was a big one because this is a
big fuor.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
In the fureral that has erupted around the mcg and
right around the football world.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I think there's a lot of supporter Yeah, you love
the girls, but it's a shocking decision. And I think
the umpires are pretty good at talent players to get up.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
They've got a really good understanding.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Their job's really really hard. So you know, we'd sort
of imploy our players best we can. Boys, just stand
up and play the game. It's still a diet, like,
there's a lot of work that's gone into this, and
you're not going to get no perfect players, no perfect coaches,
no perfect umpires. There's going to be mistakes. You just
want to admit the house.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I hate the fact that the AFL afraid the umpire run
of the.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Bus foping a problem game. They dodge the board, it
didn't affect the result.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So this is a decent assignments for razors Edge. There's
the narrow over the broaders. I think much more interesting
than the scene as Ray Chamblin welcome Jared, Gary, Hell.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Are we on the good side?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Use the force said, nothing happens in a vacuum, and
I feel like we have inched our way toward a
flash point like this with the umpiring all season, from
the way that it's set up, from the way that
it's been executed, from the idea of justifying rather than
perhaps asking that question of what does the game need?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
What's your overall view? We've talked all year about challenges
that this umpiring group at senior level hold, you know,
in terms of the experience the inexperienced new system. But
with any group, Jared and Gary, you will be able
to speak to this. From clubland, I'm sure leadership and
messaging needs to be really clear, and when you've got
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forty two people who've got to go out and align
and be congruent in the manner in which they observe
the game and then officiate the game. You can't have
anyone leaving the room on not on message. And throughout
this year we've just seen a space of examples that
leads me to believe that there's a problem or a
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disconnect with some of that. And that's the challenge that
any group faces.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
What's the problem?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Then?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
What is the problem that leads to that decision being
made in a big final?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
So the one that one there at the end, that's
that's a really interesting question. I suspect that that is.
And we've seen some examples over the last three or
four rounds of footing, so just coming into finals and
then obviously this one where we've seen and we looked
at one the other week Gary with georgi Ardis and
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mac Andrew and the umpires communication was free kick prohibited contact.
I thought, oh, that's an aberration, it's one out of
the box. But then we've subsequently seen an array of
them concluding with this one on Friday night, and so
there's a there's enough there for me to say this
is not about an individual making an error, which we
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concede and the AFL has conceded there's an error here.
This there's enough of them to say there's a messaging issue,
and so I'd love to be able to prosecute when
did you bridge this? When did you when did you
talk about this? And what was the message? And why
are we seeing inappropriate application on field like this?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
What should have happened there.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That you tell can to stand up? And then you
probably go over to Mark and go do you really
want to concede a goal here? Is that what we're doing?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So the umpire you're saying from them, I'm trying to
read the messaging doesn't allow them to have that flexibility
to be able to say hey, as I think that's
the perfect approach and I think everyone in the footy
world would accept that. But are you saying that they
don't have that discretion to be able to do that,
that they must call that.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I've seen some senior fellows do it. I think of
Brett Rosebrey, I think of I think of Simon Meredith.
I've seen examples where they've had agency within themselves and
they've just gone get up and that's been fine. But
that I can't answer the question directly, Gary, because I
haven't been in there for the last five weeks and
something has been said. It's there are too many examples
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for it to be just individual aberration.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So lay it out the prohibited contacts forces, then we'll
go through how we got here.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
There's a couple of buckets with prohibited contacts, So it's
anything to do that's outside the laws of the game
with contact with an opponent. It can be holding, it
can be high tackle, it can be in the back,
they'll and what have you. That you're allowed to make
contact with an opponent obviously, and then force is a
key part of it. But what where prohibited contact comes
in from a practical application is we don't want players
pick and players off, so they wouldn't otherwise expect to
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be met. And we don't want players taking the law
into their own hands and having a free hit. So
an example might be any striking action with a closed fist,
regardless of force, is to be paid us a free kick.
The umpire has no discretion whatsoever. But then in the
other areas, and we're talking about pushing the back, we're
talking about the other ones that needs to reach a
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threshold of force to warrant intervention. And we'll see some
examples of this this evening. I think probably Jered. From
my perspective, we're getting a little cue around our messaging
and what this is going to cause as a catalyst
for increased levels of staging and flopping, and I think
we can unpack some of these. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So the risk is this weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
If you're a forward in a tight game at a
key moment and you get contacts, well, I take my
chances here and down, and that doesn't help the players,
it doesn't help the umpires, and it doesn't help the
spectacle of the game. So how did we get here?
You've picked two moments from late in the season.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, So from my perspective, I was at the game
at a North Melbourne played Adelaide at Marvel Stadium and
I'm down on the interchange area. So I saw Rory
led come onto the field and was his opponent is
making his way towards the goal square and he's going
to outleg me. So if I block him and check
he's run, I can stop that from happening. Now, his
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opponent does not reasonably expect to be met. He's met
forcefully and it's dangerous. And so that's a perfect example
of where a free kick would be warranted. Yeah, so
that's prohibited. That's absolutely strip of contact. Pay that every time.
But the other two absolutely. The other example that we
have there, which is the George Ardis and Mac Andrew,
we've just got a couple of players who have He
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is just flopped to the ground once he's felt contact.
There's nothing in that whatsoever, and we've tumbled in and
awarded a free kick. Both players know what's going on.
It's not forceful. It's within the realms of the next
kick and active players, so you're expecting a level of contact.
We don't need intervention there.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Are they panicking that much that they're going to get
hauled over the calls?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
They don't call it love. That's the only answer you
can get out of that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
So it's a terrific it's a curiosity piece because I
don't want to stamp it, but I agree with you.
Is it to do with education messaging or is it
assessment and appointment? And so this idea that you don't
have the agency to actually just make a comment and
going I'm not interfering here with free kick. I'm going
to handle it myself. And I feel as though that's
been warded away over the years.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Garing I don't I know want to single the umpire's act.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's not about individual umpires, but I would love to
talk to that umpire and just ask him or her,
whoever it is, what is going through your mind, because
that is not football that we want, in any way,
shape or form our game to represent free kicks like that.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And I suspect on review they will feel similarly, and
which is why I'm saying what is great, which is
what I've asked right from the start, what is the
messaging that collectively has been delivered? And Garry, I'm really
interested in your take. You talked about what football wants
to see versus what it doesn't, and we're going to
roll into some stuff that I think is only going
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to create more of this type of flopping behavior. If
we as a game say it warrants free kick and
it's to do with forwards and defenders in the next
act of play, so the ball is going to be
coming in that direction. I'm really interested in your view there.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So can we have Loman and Stewart followed by Voss
and Powell, so these are both paids free kicks, But
you will say.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I don't think they I don't think they require unpiring
intervention with the laired one. His opponent has no idea
that it's coming. He shouldn't read.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
It's just a weak act by Rory Lead who's a
good great fellow, and he'd be disappointed with that absolutely.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
But I want to try and make distinguish the difference
between that and the two we're going to look at. Now,
the two we're going to look at. Now you have
opponents who are engaging with one another and Tom Stewart.
Now that's a forceful push. No one would argue with that.
But Leman knows it's coming. Even if he doesn't look,
and if he's not eyeballing Tom Stewart, he knows it's coming.
You go and watch Dane Rampy for two hours. That
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bloke is the busiest footballer in Australia. He spends his
whole day getting his OPO in a position because he's
always undersized, putting him in a point on the field
where he knows where he's going to defend. Now this
one here Powe goes to wrap him up. He equally
wants to hold Voss from tick leading back at the
ball where he's got to try and defend him. One
on one and he's outsized, Foss goes off, you go
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and he's too strong. Now they're both very forceful, and
the way they are now, umpires will pay free kicks
for those and they are expected to so as the
rules and the coaching stands. Now, that's expect did For me,
I worry that when two players are engaging with one
another and there's nothing high, there's no grab and throw
on the ground, there's no pushing in the back, it's
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one on one boom. I've executed better than you. I
don't know whether we want to be paying free kicks
for that, because what are we going to see for
the next fortnight forwards and backs flopping around on the
ground and umpires having to decide is that a flop
or is that a forceful push. So it's something that
I think needs to be reviewed and a philosophical flag
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needs to be put down.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeap, so don't intervene in those ones rains conversation with
the umpire. So this has been depicted in different ways.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
This is cricket for me. This is the lobbying that
begins one over.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
We'll go two overs later and four hours after that
we start the lobbying around. Hey, this is going on.
You should keep an eye on this. I'm after a
free kick here.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I think lobbying is a really great word. KEM Rayner.
My experience with CAM, and I've had much to do
with CAM in terms of umpiring and training with Brisbane
and what have you, is one of the most ripping
fellows you'll ever meet. I don't think any of that
would have been we don't have the comms.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Did you have a problem with that book of it?
Which someone said is unacceptable? They've got a player who's
right in the space of an umpire.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
So when you visually look at it and he does
get that close, I can understand that that could be
a reflection that someone has my knowledge of CAM and
my knowledge of the umpire. They're both very personable people,
and I suspect that that was just hey, can you
keep an eye on him? He does not let go
of me for an hour, and then all of a
sudden we come to this. So the lobbying pieces that
I think the most accurate way to describe pre microphones,
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what might you have said, pre microphones? You might have
asked him to go look after himself, and I'll try
and focus on my job is probably what would have
transpired you. You would have engage at all and you
nip it in the bard.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Are you angry and disappointed when that free kick was played?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I wasn't angry, but when I heard the whistle go
and they went to it, I was disappointed because I'm
barracking for the umpires. I want him to do a
great job. We come off Thursday night, Gary with our
exemplary and I just want him to get it wrong.
So it was disappointing, right, terrific, Thank you, thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yes, indeed, all right. Our players are about to join us.
We're heading to Queensland.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
We're on either side of the Q clash that's coming
to finals for the first time.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Dames Orco the heartbeat of the
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Lions and Ben King the talisman for the Sacks to beauty.
Tuesday track.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Watch the Crow's main session as they steal themselves for
the rebounds, or the Magpies keep ticking over with Bobby
Hill presence.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
The Queensland Grudge gets the heightened stage of finals. A
key protagonist and the ultimate antagonist join us.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And raises report card on the Friday night furor how
did we get here with prohibited contacts we've talked about?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Is this step into it?
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Embrace all of it in the room and eat it.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that. They're
on the side of courtia with the brain, take the
man on it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and injury said president left the
couple older say, of course they do.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It is the stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Wrong, you know, And I need to get and the
board sets.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The fans love it and with no fans no through
sixty year.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Old, the Pineapple Grapple, the Sunshine stouts. We should have
brought our four exes. It's a week to be dialed
into everything.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Queensland I watch you shotgun. We should be up there, Jude.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That's where we could have done and just parked ourselves outside,
like some of the big names that wanted up there,
just to bask in the glory of what's taking place
up in Queensland.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
It is the place to be.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
The Little Champ was on Judy, the ultimate little Champ.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I heard this bandit around a Little Champ a bit
over the weekend. This is the ultimate little Champion, Gary,
but one of the.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
He's gone up.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
There to pump the game up here.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So you want all the great names in Queensland for
to be there.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And all we wanted to know was how did gazz
take in and what do you think when the Suns
had their biggest moment yet really.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Enjoyed it was.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I was very nervous.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I actually turned the game off for three quarter time.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
I couldn't watch the last quarter.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
So as I as I just said, I actually turned
the game off for three quarter time.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Came off at three quarters top.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Would you go up and pump the game?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, when you give it, but you'll give it a
bit extra.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Don't you worry about that? What do you think of it?
I was in bed.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Actually I couldn't watch the last core on the plane,
could just.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Run fast asleep.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I did see any of it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
God love him alright, us lorded up for it tonight,
Ray Chamberlain, Dwayne Russell's here and we're heading to Queensland.
Danes Orco and Ben King on either side of this
Q clash in a final series. Then midweek tackle Lauren
Wood with Scott Gallen and Josh Barnes. Is so much
happening in footy at the moment, especially for the teams
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who are out of business now. Twelve of those tomorrow
night our favorite pairing. They make us smarter every week.
Adam Simpson and John Longmire. Brad Scott is going to
be here. There are pertinent questions to answer around Essen
at the moment. They want to set the record straight.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, and there'll be a whole heap of fans will
be hanging off every word.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And the new Grizzly Jock Landale is going to join us.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I hope you're up to.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
We will better get benj on the case.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Hey, at this time of year, we just take a
little peek into training where it's all magnified isn't it.
So the Crows are on Adelaide Oval tonight. It's significant
obviously just to get themselves right for what's coming on
Friday night, but especially for Joshua Shelley who's been out
of business. Well, he's missed eight matches now, so Round
seventeen was the last time he played. The left knee,
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the PCL and the complex injury that he had there.
He is ahead of schedule, but can he force himself
into the side. The Crows are out of business in
the sanfl so all he's got is training to prove
himself and Isaac Rankin now that there is the possibility
he is back on the track and reintegrated.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
With the team.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So Darren Burgers is the main man there from a
strength and conditioning none better in the business. And I
suspect they'll they'll play this young man. I'll be without
any great knowledge just from Afar. We saw Collingwood, you know,
bring back Mason Cox, not from injury, mind you, but
took a risk with him though tomorrow I think they'll
play him. He looks like a player that might thrive
on this big stage. So it doesn't look like he's
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moving like a rolls Royce. But is training. I think
it's important. It's a bit of exorcism happening in here
as well. Get back out on the stage where you're
all failed, look at each other in the eye and
own up and then get on with it and put
it then after training, put it to bed and let's
get looking forward to Hawthorne.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
So I think you'll play, but we will wait and see.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Colin would a ticking over. They've got their big public
session tomorrow. The question constantly the mator is Bobby Hill there?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Now?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
There is a much bigger game at play than what
we're looking at just a football.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Sort of things.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But can he be viable for a preliminary final? And
Jeremy how is out on the track now He's going
to be with his next Tuesday night. It's Saturday week
when they're likely to play, so time is his ally.
But I think the Bobby Hill conversation is the fascinating one, and.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
It is drive lots of the Bay on radio and
television and Colin inches in papers, but no one knows.
We're all guessing so in terms of his preparation, in
terms of how much work he's done and how many
boxes he's ticked. From a whole footy club point of view,
we've got no idea and anyone that suggests they do,
apart from those on the inside, would be guessing. So
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if he plays, you've got to assume that, you know,
he's satisfied the criteria that Craig McCrae's put down, and
they've got it right more often than not Collingwood in
recent times. On pure form and history. He would be
a beautiful addition into that team. There's no question about that.
But aside from that, we know nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And it said as Bobby had asked him to give
him a glimmer of hope. The glimmer of hope is there.
He was able to play that scratch match. Attendance is
obviously compulsory from here, and as you said, what we
don't know is the standards in the locker room and
whether he's actually been able to meet those or not,
and whether it would be the right thing to do
by those standards to bring him in a football side
of things.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So that's for them, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Who missus out is on the basis of a team
that went over and did what they did last week,
So yep, that is one that we will speculate on
for two weeks until such time as the team's announced,
and if they get through there, we'll do it again.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
If he doesn't play all the way up to the Grand.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Final, but again over to the Magpies, and they've got
it right most times.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A couple of the teams who are planning for the future.
So Sam Draper confirmed to Essen today that he is
going to exercise his free agency. This has been a
conversation that's been going for months now. The Brisbane lines
were the favorite throughout Adelaide have made a move. He
didn't tip his hand with the Bombers today. It's widely
believed that he will go to the Lions, and he
does look like precisely what the Lions need just to recap.
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So he spoke about how difficult this period has been
mentally and physically. So if you go back to twenty
twenty one, he had the cindismosis, he misses twelve weeks,
then he plays all of twenty twenty two fourteen games,
sixteen games, five games, knee surgery, the Achilles surgery.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's seventy eight games since.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
His debut in twenty twenty, so he hasn't been able
to be there often enough.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And that's a familiar thread that's running right through this
footy club, which will be interesting to speak to Brad about.
He goes out and acknowledges he'smates, brothers and all the stuff.
For the emotional stuff that we understand. But the bottom
line is he says, I'm walking out the door. You can,
you can say all this now, but I'm leaving you
right now when you probably need me and some stability.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
More than I'm leaving now. I don't begrudge them. That's
the rules.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You can do that, but if you're an essenant fan,
move on and move on quickly. I went back and
had to look at the premiers of the last few years.
Darcy Fort was the ruckman in last year's premiership team
started you can find a ruckman, Jarrett. This is what
I'm saying. The panic won't sit it in. They'll get
compensation and then they'll go to work. They're loaded from
a draft point of view. So Darcy Cameron started his
career at Sydney, ends up at Collingwood, plays as a
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premiership ruckman. Ree Stanley starts it's and killed in Rutsford,
Geelong Max Gorn is a one off and then you
go down to Toby dan Cerver started at Sydney and
if you want to go back a little bit further,
David Hale started at North Melbourne and ruck through, so
you'll find a ruckman if you want to get there.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
You can find ruckman.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
They're not you know, he's a good player, Sam Draper,
but don't don't throw you and burn your membership on
the back. You'll get compensation and then you've got to
rely on your team to get to work and you
can find them.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
They're out there.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Melbourne's finished the first round of coaching interviews over the
previous couple of days. The Best and fairest has been
held tonight and Paul Gaer spoke with David Zeedar, So
this is the chief executive of the Demons.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
A big couple of days.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
And the great thing is for every Melbourne supporter, there's
a number of quality candidates that want to coach the
football club. So you know, we'll sort that out in
the next week. But it's been a really good process
and we've had some really fantastic insights.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But great for.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Melburne supporter has been importantly good for the AFL competition
to know that some real quality coaches ready to coach
AFL teams. I'm sure you wouldn't be oblivious to the
narrative that it's Nathan Buckley's job to lose, and that
even before Simon good and departed there may have been conversations.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
That's a pretty significant narrative. What do you make of
that narrative.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Everyone's going to have their opinion on it. We've been
really clear. You know, we narrowed it down to six.
We've taken them through the process and let's see what
comes out.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
What's the pass mark for you guys? Where do you
expect to be playing? Do you expect to be competing
in September? Yeah, we do.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
That's the intention for the football club. We've seen Adelaide
bounce from fourteenth last year to playing finals. We've got
our best and fairest tonight. We want to be playing finals.
That's what Melbourne players want to be doing, That's what
the club wants to be doing and that's what our
fans expect us to be doing.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So that would have been a fascinating part of the
discussions with prospective coaches. So the list of six had
been publicized Nathan Barkley, James Kelly, Stephen King, Daniel Johns,
Syracusa and Brendan lay Hayden Skipworth didn't go through the process.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
He removed himself last week.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, so I think there's an element of self awareness
about where you're at in the process. With Collingwood's who
have read hot on him and love what he's doing.
Maybe they spoke to him and said, you know, there
was time ahead, but there are things to be done there.
I'm I'm speculating, but there are strong candidates left and yeah,
it was a pretty intense process from all reports, long
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long interviews and impressive candidates. The couple who I'm told
really impressed them. So yeah, we'll wait and see that
spits out.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Having a bit of the geelong DNA in there, given
the success that's been had there, and they belong to
a couple of generations, James Kelly as a player through
the first wave and now as a coach there and
Stephen King the same.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So you sort of you do corner.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Why has this lasted what is it fifteen preliminary finals
since the Mark Thompson years?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
The why and the how?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
When that would have been fascinating to discuss.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, it's what you get when you go through a process,
isn't It's one of the byproducts is you get exposed
to different environments and successful ones in this those instances
for sure. So yeah, they're going to announce that prior
to the preliminary final, so next week.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So yep, so into the final stages pretty quickly, pretty quickly.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I don't mind that can go.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I mean, if you're doing the process and you've got
to make a decision, get going the I don't have
to box trifect there. I'm going gorn take him one
out and then box up.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Are we and pick it right? Yes?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, okay, I won't pay well, but I think it's
pretty so cornick it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
How we go.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Let's get to the furnest, shall we. It was always
going to be the furor that erupted on Friday night
at the MCG when a fateful whistle blue heading to halftime.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
We'll go through him in a moment.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But your first thought spots disgraceful. I'm not a Cat's supporter,
but I was angry.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
That was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It's a final that is so soft. This is the
original one, so that's softest butter.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And here's the second one.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Games have a look at the players coming in and
that's pretty soft as well.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
To run the ball the length of the ground for this,
that's just a nice more decision. It's just a nudge
in the back that happens. It's a thousand times a game.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I thought to myself, I hope it was a big
free kick, not all it wish he was he won.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Hope it was a big one because this is a
big fuor.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
In the fureral that has erupted around the mcg and
right around the football world.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I think there's a lot of supporter Yeah, you love
the girls, but it's a shocking decision. And I think
the umpires are pretty good at talent players to get up.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
They've got a really good understanding.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Their job's really really hard. So you know, we'd sort
of imploy our players best we can. Boys, just stand
up and play the game. It's still a diet, like,
there's a lot of work that's gone into this, and
you're not going to get no perfect players, no perfect coaches,
no perfect umpires. There's going to be mistakes. You just
want to admit the house.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I hate the fact that the AFL afraid the umpire run
of the.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Bus foping a problem game. They dodge the board, it
didn't affect the result.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So this is a decent assignments for razors Edge. There's
the narrow over the broaders. I think much more interesting
than the scene as Ray Chamblin welcome Jared, Gary, Hell.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Are we on the good side?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Use the force said, nothing happens in a vacuum, and
I feel like we have inched our way toward a
flash point like this with the umpiring all season, from
the way that it's set up, from the way that
it's been executed, from the idea of justifying rather than
perhaps asking that question of what does the game need?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
What's your overall view? We've talked all year about challenges
that this umpiring group at senior level hold, you know,
in terms of the experience the inexperienced new system. But
with any group, Jared and Gary, you will be able
to speak to this. From clubland, I'm sure leadership and
messaging needs to be really clear, and when you've got
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forty two people who've got to go out and align
and be congruent in the manner in which they observe
the game and then officiate the game. You can't have
anyone leaving the room on not on message. And throughout
this year we've just seen a space of examples that
leads me to believe that there's a problem or a
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disconnect with some of that. And that's the challenge that
any group faces.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
What's the problem?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Then?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
What is the problem that leads to that decision being
made in a big final?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
So the one that one there at the end, that's
that's a really interesting question. I suspect that that is.
And we've seen some examples over the last three or
four rounds of footing, so just coming into finals and
then obviously this one where we've seen and we looked
at one the other week Gary with georgi Ardis and
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mac Andrew and the umpires communication was free kick prohibited contact.
I thought, oh, that's an aberration, it's one out of
the box. But then we've subsequently seen an array of
them concluding with this one on Friday night, and so
there's a there's enough there for me to say this
is not about an individual making an error, which we
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concede and the AFL has conceded there's an error here.
This there's enough of them to say there's a messaging issue,
and so I'd love to be able to prosecute when
did you bridge this? When did you when did you
talk about this? And what was the message? And why
are we seeing inappropriate application on field like this?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
What should have happened there.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That you tell can to stand up? And then you
probably go over to Mark and go do you really
want to concede a goal here? Is that what we're doing?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So the umpire you're saying from them, I'm trying to
read the messaging doesn't allow them to have that flexibility
to be able to say hey, as I think that's
the perfect approach and I think everyone in the footy
world would accept that. But are you saying that they
don't have that discretion to be able to do that,
that they must call that.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I've seen some senior fellows do it. I think of
Brett Rosebrey, I think of I think of Simon Meredith.
I've seen examples where they've had agency within themselves and
they've just gone get up and that's been fine. But
that I can't answer the question directly, Gary, because I
haven't been in there for the last five weeks and
something has been said. It's there are too many examples
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for it to be just individual aberration.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So lay it out the prohibited contacts forces, then we'll
go through how we got here.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
There's a couple of buckets with prohibited contacts, So it's
anything to do that's outside the laws of the game
with contact with an opponent. It can be holding, it
can be high tackle, it can be in the back,
they'll and what have you. That you're allowed to make
contact with an opponent obviously, and then force is a
key part of it. But what where prohibited contact comes
in from a practical application is we don't want players
pick and players off, so they wouldn't otherwise expect to
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be met. And we don't want players taking the law
into their own hands and having a free hit. So
an example might be any striking action with a closed fist,
regardless of force, is to be paid us a free kick.
The umpire has no discretion whatsoever. But then in the
other areas, and we're talking about pushing the back, we're
talking about the other ones that needs to reach a
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threshold of force to warrant intervention. And we'll see some
examples of this this evening. I think probably Jered. From
my perspective, we're getting a little cue around our messaging
and what this is going to cause as a catalyst
for increased levels of staging and flopping, and I think
we can unpack some of these. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So the risk is this weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
If you're a forward in a tight game at a
key moment and you get contacts, well, I take my
chances here and down, and that doesn't help the players,
it doesn't help the umpires, and it doesn't help the
spectacle of the game. So how did we get here?
You've picked two moments from late in the season.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, So from my perspective, I was at the game
at a North Melbourne played Adelaide at Marvel Stadium and
I'm down on the interchange area. So I saw Rory
led come onto the field and was his opponent is
making his way towards the goal square and he's going
to outleg me. So if I block him and check
he's run, I can stop that from happening. Now, his
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opponent does not reasonably expect to be met. He's met
forcefully and it's dangerous. And so that's a perfect example
of where a free kick would be warranted. Yeah, so
that's prohibited. That's absolutely strip of contact. Pay that every time.
But the other two absolutely. The other example that we
have there, which is the George Ardis and Mac Andrew,
we've just got a couple of players who have He
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is just flopped to the ground once he's felt contact.
There's nothing in that whatsoever, and we've tumbled in and
awarded a free kick. Both players know what's going on.
It's not forceful. It's within the realms of the next
kick and active players, so you're expecting a level of contact.
We don't need intervention there.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Are they panicking that much that they're going to get
hauled over the calls?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
They don't call it love. That's the only answer you
can get out of that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
So it's a terrific it's a curiosity piece because I
don't want to stamp it, but I agree with you.
Is it to do with education messaging or is it
assessment and appointment? And so this idea that you don't
have the agency to actually just make a comment and
going I'm not interfering here with free kick. I'm going
to handle it myself. And I feel as though that's
been warded away over the years.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Garing I don't I know want to single the umpire's act.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's not about individual umpires, but I would love to
talk to that umpire and just ask him or her,
whoever it is, what is going through your mind, because
that is not football that we want, in any way,
shape or form our game to represent free kicks like that.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And I suspect on review they will feel similarly, and
which is why I'm saying what is great, which is
what I've asked right from the start, what is the
messaging that collectively has been delivered? And Garry, I'm really
interested in your take. You talked about what football wants
to see versus what it doesn't, and we're going to
roll into some stuff that I think is only going
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to create more of this type of flopping behavior. If
we as a game say it warrants free kick and
it's to do with forwards and defenders in the next
act of play, so the ball is going to be
coming in that direction. I'm really interested in your view there.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So can we have Loman and Stewart followed by Voss
and Powell, so these are both paids free kicks, But
you will say.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I don't think they I don't think they require unpiring
intervention with the laired one. His opponent has no idea
that it's coming. He shouldn't read.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
It's just a weak act by Rory Lead who's a
good great fellow, and he'd be disappointed with that absolutely.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
But I want to try and make distinguish the difference
between that and the two we're going to look at. Now,
the two we're going to look at. Now you have
opponents who are engaging with one another and Tom Stewart.
Now that's a forceful push. No one would argue with that.
But Leman knows it's coming. Even if he doesn't look,
and if he's not eyeballing Tom Stewart, he knows it's coming.
You go and watch Dane Rampy for two hours. That
(20:26):
bloke is the busiest footballer in Australia. He spends his
whole day getting his OPO in a position because he's
always undersized, putting him in a point on the field
where he knows where he's going to defend. Now this
one here Powe goes to wrap him up. He equally
wants to hold Voss from tick leading back at the
ball where he's got to try and defend him. One
on one and he's outsized, Foss goes off, you go
(20:48):
and he's too strong. Now they're both very forceful, and
the way they are now, umpires will pay free kicks
for those and they are expected to so as the
rules and the coaching stands. Now, that's expect did For me,
I worry that when two players are engaging with one
another and there's nothing high, there's no grab and throw
on the ground, there's no pushing in the back, it's
(21:09):
one on one boom. I've executed better than you. I
don't know whether we want to be paying free kicks
for that, because what are we going to see for
the next fortnight forwards and backs flopping around on the
ground and umpires having to decide is that a flop
or is that a forceful push. So it's something that
I think needs to be reviewed and a philosophical flag
(21:30):
needs to be put down.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeap, so don't intervene in those ones rains conversation with
the umpire. So this has been depicted in different ways.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
This is cricket for me. This is the lobbying that
begins one over.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
We'll go two overs later and four hours after that
we start the lobbying around. Hey, this is going on.
You should keep an eye on this. I'm after a
free kick here.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I think lobbying is a really great word. KEM Rayner.
My experience with CAM, and I've had much to do
with CAM in terms of umpiring and training with Brisbane
and what have you, is one of the most ripping
fellows you'll ever meet. I don't think any of that
would have been we don't have the comms.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Did you have a problem with that book of it?
Which someone said is unacceptable? They've got a player who's
right in the space of an umpire.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
So when you visually look at it and he does
get that close, I can understand that that could be
a reflection that someone has my knowledge of CAM and
my knowledge of the umpire. They're both very personable people,
and I suspect that that was just hey, can you
keep an eye on him? He does not let go
of me for an hour, and then all of a
sudden we come to this. So the lobbying pieces that
I think the most accurate way to describe pre microphones,
(22:32):
what might you have said, pre microphones? You might have
asked him to go look after himself, and I'll try
and focus on my job is probably what would have
transpired you. You would have engage at all and you
nip it in the bard.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Are you angry and disappointed when that free kick was played?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I wasn't angry, but when I heard the whistle go
and they went to it, I was disappointed because I'm
barracking for the umpires. I want him to do a
great job. We come off Thursday night, Gary with our
exemplary and I just want him to get it wrong.
So it was disappointing, right, terrific, Thank you, thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yes, indeed, all right. Our players are about to join us.
We're heading to Queensland.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
We're on either side of the Q clash that's coming
to finals for the first time.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Dames Orco the heartbeat of the
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Lions and Ben King the talisman for the Sacks to beauty.
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