Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Tuesday the 12th of August with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for a huge edition of AFL 360, discussing today’s breaking news that American rapper Snoop Dogg has been booked to headline the Grand Final pre-match. They also talk through a busy day at the tribunal as Essendon Bombers’ Dylan Shiel fronts the panel for a push that led to teammate Luamon Lual landing awkwardly and Adelaide Crows’ Rory Laird looks to overturn a one-game ban for a collision with Eagles forward Jamie Cripps. They finish with a discussion on the first casualty of Carlton’s poor season, as footy boss Brad Lloyd has been axed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A curious test case at the tribunal as bomber Dylan
Shield faces suspension for the push that set off a
chain reaction.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Carlton's incoming chief executive explains his faith in Michael Voss
as the first change is made in the.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Football department and that w edition of players. Knights rival
captains Ruby Slisher and Abbie McKay join us ahead of
opening nights season.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
We've talked about is this step into it, embrace all.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Of it in the room and reason it's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain tape.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The man on They played the best footy I've ever
seen at the start of the season. And Andrew said,
President left the couple Order said, of course they do.
It is the stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Could do something wrong, you know, And I need to
get on the board sexually the fans, lover and with
no fans, no through.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Major announcements. So I want you to feel the beats. Dad,
You've got to be exactly the right mood you've got
to get your shizzled. You've got to get your giningers,
you got to get your Wii because he has come
into the grounded.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Sorry, I'm sorry, gonna get your Wii.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You've got to drop it like a top. I'm not
Is this Snoop Dogg? This is Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm not a music man, as you know, but I'm
really not a musing man on the back of this.
Is this going to get one hundred thousand people up
out of this seat? I know he's going to be
great in the lead out. I think the dog would
be great. You bring a Martha with him, but in
the lead up you'll immerse himself.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I just like it. Fine, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You've got to tell me. So he's a wrapper amongst us.
It's half time in LA at the Super Bowls. The
Doctor Dre and eminem and so how to support crew
with him?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And that's that's the home of this sort of hip
hop rap stuff, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
How old am I sound?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's going to go?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Exactly, how heavily? Anyway, it's a big name, global superstar massive.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I'm sure he'll immerse himself in all of the carry
on in the lead up, which will be great. You
can get him on the radio show and look, I'm
sure he'll do a great job. I'm just not it's
not my bag. But anyway, I'm not the target audience.
That's nothing, Jared. I'd stop there. You're going to lose
half an audience.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
If you continue.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I've spent the day fundamentally understanding the truth. I'm not
in the calls.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We must have one song that even nufs like me
can identify and recognize. Otherwise it's a poor choice. That's
that's the bar, at least one, Jared. No, it's all
wouldn't want to be that one.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's all on Andrew Dillon here, come on.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Deals.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
It's been a long process and a complicated process, but
it always is. But we're really happy that we've got
a iconic music act who's going to be on the
stage in Australian sport on the last Saturday and September.
And he's been at the Super Bowl, been at the Olympics,
so yeah, you can't wait for it. He had a
bit of an idea. He's got a team, the Western Bulldogs.
(03:14):
I think his favorite player was Bailey Smith, but he
was a bit flatty left.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And went to the cats hell.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
The dogs work, all right?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Are we in for it? So do we want him
on our grand final show?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Damn straight, we do. I become a convert by then
you can get him here.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
All right, here's all we have lined up for it tonight.
We're during the Tribune in a few moments time with
David Zena Ray Chamberlain on the push that he called
out right at the start of the season, and it
continues on our captains for the Thursday night opener of
season ten at AFLW Ruby and Abby are going to
join us at the desk. Then all the footing news
and isn't there a lot in the trade space at
the moment Lauren Wood, John Ralph and Scott Gullen as
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the home and away season reaches its climax, Yes it is.
And then tomorrow night Simon Goodwin will be with us
at the desk. So we've lived the season of a
senior coach didn't make it to the end of the season.
So these things break in a few different directions. Simon
will be with us a week after his sacking from Melbourne.
John longmyand Adam Simpson and Emma more and Laura Kane
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with the big picture of season ten of AFL. Great.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
We've got the two captains, two girls coming up. It'll
be an awesome big game to Thursday night kick the
season off.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Give us a Tuesday favorite. You flagged this last night.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I wanted to talk about this last night, but
I'm happy to do it now. Artie Roberts this year
with the Essen footy. Gud's went a challenging year for
Essident in so many aspects, and you can be what
happens in these things. And I'm sure the selectors won't
be doing this because they have to pay attention, but
you can lose your way in a long season and
Essident become one of those teams. Unless you're a real
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Essen fan or your team's playing against them, you can
be forgiven for not watching them as closely as others
as you would. Adelaide with Daniel Curtin, who's a favorite,
and he's outstanding young talent as well well. But if
you haven't been watching, you missed this folk. No one's
had more footed than him in terms of the NAB
Rising Star fancies. He's a The read O favorite is
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Curtain and Reid Murphy Reid, would we both win great winners.
He's had as good a year as Levi Ashcroft in
my mind, Levi Ashcroft, I'm a massive fan of as well.
Look at his composure, his class, and he puts a
very very high price on every possession he gets here
and so he's average almost twenty five touches a game,
which is a big number for first year we have
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for a rising star. Play played a few games last
year and he puts value on the possession.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So he's got.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Better and better and better, and I think he's in
the argument right up to his eyeballs.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So you've done the work historically on rising star contender.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
It's not just numbers.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I mean, we know that foot is much more than
just possessions. But he does find it, and he finds
it in a team that is you know, you've got
to weigh all these things up. Daniel Curtain's playing on
the wing in the Premiership favorite and playing really well,
so that puts him in contingent if you read has
been great from the word game. But don't sleep on
this young guy. I think he's had an outstanding year.
(06:08):
They're a bit off Broadway because this season's dropped away,
but the selectors won't have him off Broadway.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He'll be right right there.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Has to be on the ballot. Paper world done, but
you got case made. North's New Nanna. Were you watching
this on Sunday? This was fantastic when we get the
first look at the family of a debutante. So this
is Cooper trend Barth and his Nan, Vicki is in
the stands now he's picked up in the mid season
trade period out of the VFL program. NaN's barracked for
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the Bulldog. She's a member, a fifty year member. So
this is a stretch. Is on goes the North scarf
and then Hardo told the beautiful story that the highlight
of her day other than seeing and grandson kicking his
first goal, where she got to meet Caleb Daniel who
she had cheered for a premiership. That's so good and
(06:58):
he played well yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And then's that a magnificent day out.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Vicky captured our hearts. It was beautifully told throughout the
broadcast and that does give your way into it, doesn't.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's awesome, awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Top of the agenda. It's a curious case of the Tribune.
It's one that doesn't fit the regular parameters that it
has caused a lot of debate from the very moment
it happened, the chain reaction set off by Dylan Shield.
The question sitting over it is this is suspension and
is it captured in the rules?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh no, that's Dylan Shield pushing. Pushing, that's dangerous. What
was your flinch reaction when you saw that? For the
first five kids did.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Look great in the way that Lua landed you, mister
for a second.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
We teach craft, We've teach about engagement, early contact, late contact.
He's made early contact easy, particular the space for himself
if he is.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Let him off. I didn't like the action.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I think, you know, all the way back to Ryan
Mantil earlier on in the season.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
You know it's a similar type act and he could
have ended really badly.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I I don't think he's planning to push someone into
his teammates, So I don't. I mean, I'm sorry to
argue with the king is, but I see it the
other way.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
We did the game, and as soon as that happened,
I said to brand I said that that action has
to get out of our game.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
If they think that he's he's pushed an opposition player
trying to push him into someone else, then that's a
different thing.
Speaker 8 (08:46):
I can't see it that way looking at that.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
The action has been problematic since the scratch matches this season.
Gas in the moment you saw it. Sometimes just the
funch reaction is the best reaction. You're just immediately KNOWEP
and I know.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You're going to go into the intricacies of the tribunal
and how difficult it is. I could take this one,
say that's a week. Just Dylan pushed him into a player.
The player luckily didn't break his neck, and we don't
want him the game in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Give him a week won't happen again.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So how to try that case under the laws as
they are written? David Zeena, welcome hy Jared, Hi Gary.
From the very outset of this case, when no charge
was actually laid and no plea entered, this has been
highly unusual.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Yeah, both sides of it, and this is a very
unusual case. It's been referred to the tribunal ungraded, and
that is not something that normally happens. If Ever, with
the tribunal, you can count on one hand the amount.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Of times this has happened.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
So Dylan Shield gave evidence and he said that his
eyes were on the ball up until after the push.
He says he was executing craft. He was trying to
create space and make sure he could get to the ball.
He didn't understand that Lumnnwil was injured from that marking
contest until after it. So he went to the bench
and said, how come while is being assessed for an injury,
said it came out of that market contest.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He said he was shocked. He had no ideas.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
So again, the technicalities of this case are quite interesting
and his worth noting renee enbom Cac is chairing the
tribunal tonight, not Jeff Gleeson, so a departure from the
usual makeup of the tribunal. David Needs and Darren Gasper
the other two members. So the Bombers say that the
laws of the game and the intention around rough conduct,
and the spirit and intention is around the protection of
(10:27):
opposition players. So they say this should be about Mark
O'Connor where there is little to any impact suffered by him,
and the AFL, for its part, says that this is
something that should be looked at through the lens of
what happened to Lual, so they say this should include
what happened the bombers say that other players cleared out
of the space. Shield's eyes were on the ball until
after the push. He was trying to protect the dropsone.
(10:47):
It was a legal footy act. O'Connor was pushed down
the wing. There was no high contact. The AFL says
Sheieerler is guilty of conduct against an opposition player in
which the circumstances is unreasonable. They said he should have
reasonably forced that what took place in this incident could
have happened. Ultimately, they've been deliberating for over ninety minutes,
so this has gone longer than the actual case itself.
(11:08):
I think it goes to show just how difficult a
case this is to assess. We didn't even hear really
a submission of what the penalty should be or how
this should even be graded. So this is very much
a departure from anything we've seen in tribunals before.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
That's why we.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
Are all a bit confused, and we're all in the
darkest to what the tribunal is going to come back
with when they hopefully get back into not too distant
future Jared.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So the AFL invited the tribunal to consider not just
the contacts on O'Connor, but then subsequently what happened to
Lual and Essendon argued that that's misconceived correat that is
not how the law is written.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Yeah, so this is all about where the onus is
and who we should be taking into account. Here the
bomber say, it's just Mark O'Connor. The rules and the
spirit and intention of the laws of the game and
rough conduct is about opposition players and protecting them. Whereas
the AFL says, this takes into account your teammates as
well as opposition players, and therefore Lual's injury or at
(12:03):
least the scare to him regarding injury, should be considered.
So that's where the key divide is in regard to
this case. And that's what I think the tribunal was
spending a lot of time scratching their heads over trying
to come up with a result.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yes, because they're essentially being asked to write a rule.
So either come back and say this is not captured
in the rules, or we're going to intervene and by
case law added to the rules.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So sometimes in these instances, you just go do.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
What do I want the game to look like?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Do we want to watch Friday night footy Brisbane versus
Freemanner with spots in the.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Eighth on the line and that is allowed to happen summarily.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Throughout the game. Bloke's just pushing guys into traffic. Is
that what we want? So make your decision on the
basis of what you've got the game to look like.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And we don't want that in their game.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
We don't want so I kind of was out of
control of himself for a split second, a stumble because
he got pushed into traffic. That's not what we want
in our game. So stamp it out today. You don't
stamp it out tonight. We're going to go Friday Saturday
to showcase games and you're giving a license for bokes
to push other blokes into traffic.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yep, that's what you can don it.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So it's either tied it up tonight or I'm sure
it will get tidied up at the end of the season.
Seen where the loopholes are, and.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know, but for the grace of God go all
of us and Luau didn't break his neck.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And then Mark O'Connor. I'm another step closer and he's
getting hit in the head because he's.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Out of control. Because and this is not a quack
on Dylan, but that's just not what we want in
the game.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's easy, Jared. For me, it's not hard. It's easy.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So a football tribe, you know, would be able to
do it. But with the lawyers and the cases it's
much Well that's.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Hard, but in my eyes, stamp it out either now
or just say next time it happens.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
To all right, here was Brad Scott, the Essendon coach today.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
Well the unpipe Pader push in the back I think,
so there was a free kick, the too long play.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Wasn't injured.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
Struggle to see how there's a case to answer. Talk
about a triple whammy. We had a player injured, a
free kick against and then a tribunal case. So we've
been penalized three times without the opposition actually being the
victim as far as I can see.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And he's been consistent all the way through. We'll go
back to David Disittter as soon as we had a verdict.
There's a second case the night Rory Laird, so the
Crow's veteran is desperate to be there on Saturday night,
as you would be. He's currently facing a one match
suspension for this incident, which will get hurt immediately after
the Dylan Shield case. To see if he can argue
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his way out of that's and get himself on the
field on Saturday nights.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I haven't seen this year.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, he got up and played the game out, Jamie Crips, Yep,
no concussion.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Is that anercussion? So it's not outcome based, is it?
Speaker 9 (14:55):
So?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I mean people keep telling me it's outcome based, and
then if you get knocked out and you get concussed,
then you're going to get suspended.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Well, he played the game out.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You could argue that that's seventeen hundred and fifty dollars
fine on the basis of how it's been adjudicated throughout
over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Manner of the approached shoulder into the face. That's it
will be an interesting bar to test.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
What happened to two weeks on that, three weeks on none?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, Well, because there's no concussion, is that so if
he's left Crips can cast just get straight out through.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
It's just a horrid mess. Jared all right, your area.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Let's get to Carl. Yes, we heard from the incoming
chief executive for the first time today. I don't think
there's been a man who's been more speculated upon what
he's thinking and what he might do than Graham. Right.
He tipped his hand with the board last week backing
Michael Voss and that was ratified, and then he made
the first move today tipping out the head of footy
Brad Lloyd. Here was the chief executive. His view of
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Michael Voss being taken into the last year of his contract.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
We look really heavily into into VOSSI over the last
six weeks or so, I think, which Rob said we
do calm and rational manner, which we've done looking at
a whole range of things and talking to a whole
range of people in our football department, and you know,
we're really clear that Michael is the guy to lude
us into the future.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
He's a fantastic leader.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
And it's been a really difficult year from that perspective
because we.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Haven't performed well enough.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
As I said fourteenth on the ladder. We've had a
number of injuries towards the back half the year, him
bloodying some young players, but then a collective view that
this wasn't just a one person issue, that it wasn't
just about Michael, it was about our players. We haven't
got enough good players. Know we're like every time we
want more good players, I suppose or elite players, and
(16:40):
those guys are in that category, I'd hope they're here.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
They're all contracted.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Right at the moment, we're fourteenth on the ladder, and
that's not good enough. So we need to be better
than that, and how we get better than that will
come to fruition.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So believes in Voss's leadership and coaching, believes in the
game style which it took them to two final series previously,
as you're on for at the start of the year,
unsettled them and then clearly able to say injury has
played a major role. Conceded that they cut back too
deep at the end of last season, so the depth
has been not there or too young and protected the
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core of the team, so the name players, the highly
paid players if you like. Conceding that they will lose
to Conan, highly likely to lose Silvanni through free agency,
but they must acquire by without disrupting that senior corp
so how do they do that?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
The next question isn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So he's said, there's mitigating circumstances that find themselves in
the position they're in, And that's fine.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I'm not a carlt And supporter, but I can live
with that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
If that's the conclusion that he's come through after having
beaten there for the season and watched it and he's
experienced enough, then you can sell that, Jared. That's sort
of putting him into the beverage category of this year. Now, okay,
we understand this. I still you can coach. I still
think there's a big upside. So now you've got the
informator to go after it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So they want to start.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Well and they want to be competitive and all that
stuff next year.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But that's I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
And if you had to made a decision the other way,
you could live with that as well. So there's a
lot on his shoulders and he's got great experience and
now it's over to Vossi and this management.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So the way right spoke is they intend to contend
next year, so he's not going to pull it apart
and reset it all, rebuild it. They want to add
they don't have the quality of player that they expect
throughout the full depth of the list, and they do
believe that Michael Voss is able to return them to final.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Well that's a challenge. Then either will or he won't.
I think they're a way off. Well, when I say
way off, it's just how quickly they can add to
the areas of the game that they are desperately needing,
and that is ball retention and protection of the footy
when they've got it in disposal.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I think that's the biggest issue.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And then that's assuming all the players who have been
injured are back and playing senior footies. So it's totally
justifiable position. Not that he needs any endorsement from you
to take, but now we're going to watch and see
how you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Go about it. It is an unanswered question.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It's uplifting when a club backs it's coach I reckon,
and there are highly successful examples of it, and there
are ones we go it didn't quite pan out. But
they'll run the full journey with him.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, so yeah, the full of next year.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, okay, yeah, Well they'll give him every chance to succeed,
and I think that's what we can ask for and
I mean he's contracted to next year, so he's going
to have a massive summer and the thing that he can.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Then throw at these boys is a I'm not leaving
anything on the table here, so don't come expecting that
we'll get it right in eighteen months.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So I think that's a good thing too.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So if you can't you, if you want to play
senior footy in this Carton team and you can't kick,
you've got a summer of kicking every single minute of
every single day.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Otherwise you don't play. I think that's a good message
Melbourne will embrace as well.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
It's the same yeah, yeah, So Melbourne are the one
club who have the coaching vacancy in the process will
start soon enough. Nathan Buckley has been thrust forward by
All and Sundry and that meant last night on the
couch that seat was particularly hot.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Nathan Buckley, It's great to have you on the couch tonight.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
Didn't see this on the running.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Do you want to coach next year?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I don't know if I will or not.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Now do you want to I don't.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Know if you do or not. No, there's a spot
available now and this is the first time that I've
actually wanted to go further down the track to find
out what that challenge would be and whether it would
fit for where I'm at in my life as well.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I took a call from Don Pike, but I said.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
To him, I'm not in a space to consider that,
and I think I'm in a space to consider it now.
It's more to understand Melbourne's challenge and where they think
they're at, where they think they need to go forward.
I am but one of many candidates that will be
really good options for Melbourne, and they'll go through their
process and they'll choose the person that they think is
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best placed to take them forward. There's multiple good options,
there's multiple good decisions, it's not just one person. So
I think that's got to be really clear up front.
You know, I have kicked around with Tazzy as well
to have a look at that, but that's been dormant
for probably six months. So that's as open as I
can bear about it.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You might have a lot of questions. I don't have
a lot of answers.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Let's play a little bit of real or over reaction
with Melbourne and then with some Kilda. So broadly speaking,
now a deep dive on the demon list will encourage.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I think it's an overreaction because it won't discourage either.
The list is good enough not to turn anyone off.
I don't think it's a list that you look at
as some did at the West Coast, the Legals for instance.
Again that that's not for me. I think there's enough
there to not discourage. And if that's encouragement, and.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So be you.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So that's where I said with that, what about a
deep dive on the demon facilities will discovery?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yes, that's real, isn't it. Well, carefield happen or not often,
which is sort of the unanswerable.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, there's depends how you speak to but there's levels
of confidence.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I'll get there in the end.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
That's the generation's old question.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, I'm actually have you been out to Casey. I
went out and did a thorough tour of it at
the start of last year. The facilities out there are superb.
They are magnificent facilities out there. It's just the getting
there and you can that shouldn't be the millstone around
your neck. Well, we've waited since the early late seventies
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to eighties to get us to get a home based yeared.
So that is something that is fundamentally non negotiable.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
But it can't hold your back. It can't. That can't
be the reason why yep yep.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So in the Buckley contemplation is that he had Collingwood,
which is just so good, so central, so well supported,
huge audience all the time. It's going to be a
vastly different experience. That is Melbourne. That part that is
really it's looking certain that Nassaia Wangony Miller is leaving.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I'm saying overreaction, I might be swimming against the tide.
I'm saying Nasaiah is staying at sin Kilda. I will
sign a contract and stay with the Saints.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Is that that would that would change things immeasurably?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Just roll the table on that with no. I just
I'm saying he's staying. I think they might announce it
this week. There you God, that had been good. So
I got no reason to say that to you, just
a gap, okay, And I hope I hope that, I
hope that he does. What about Sekula making a mess
of the off season before it's even begun.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Also, it depends entirely on what you've just put forward.
So I'll put an asterisk. It's a provisional reel because
once in the public domain, cow Wilkie Heart and Soul player,
once his grievances are ed, I think that's your signals.
We haven't kept everybody together. Now, it doesn't mean it's irretrievable.
You'd have to be inside to understand that. But they do.
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If they lose Windager because they were inattentive, who knows
whether that happens, if they lose Mangane Miller or because
somebody got in the door. If they're going to dispense
with players like Marshall and Steeler, how does that end
up looking? So it's delicate and we'll know during the
trade period. You hate it when a player like that,
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when those grievances are made public and there are multiple sources. Okay,
so that's real.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What about if they get the cunning, they keep Marshall,
they keep Mangane, Miller, they keep win Hagen, they attract.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
One or two.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, and that's it. That's the dream, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's your job.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You've got to get net gains out of this period
of time.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
So it's a big week and our.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Last one is we keep visual towards Saturday night. Is
the Magpies are all in. We've seen it training today,
So McCreary and Hill are on the track. McCrea's got
to be so delicate with a couple of hamstrings, he'll
is it all chips in on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Overreaction, okay, because that says that sells unnecessary risk, That
says that they're at a stage where they have to
take unnecessary risk, or that there's a slight whiff of desperation.
They'll give him every chance because they want him to play.
They want Hill to play because they fix an area
of the ground that they're really vulnerable in. So that's
not to suggest they won't be pushing them really hard,
but you don't take unnecessary risks. They still back themselves
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if one or two or both of those boys don't
get up. So they'll push really hard and then Wednesday
to night they'll sit down and make the best decision
for whatever it is and double head over. There are
confident teams here, they'll be confident going dadelaude.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But it was good to see Jeremy Howe out on
the track, so obviously he's in the concussion protocols, but
given how heavy that blow was and he went to hospital,
it was just reassuring to see him back around the climate.
We will have to be out there, so all eyes
to Saturday night when the Pies travel to face the Crows.
All eyes to Thursday night ASLW has set a stage
standalone on opening night and surprise of ten years years
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ago and the two Captains with Abbie and Ruby leading
these two famous clubs Carlton and Collingwood. Season ten of
AFLW our Special Players Night next sover
A curious test case at the tribunal as bomber Dylan
Shield faces suspension for the push that set off a
chain reaction.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Carlton's incoming chief executive explains his faith in Michael Voss
as the first change is made in the.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Football department and that w edition of players. Knights rival
captains Ruby Slisher and Abbie McKay join us ahead of
opening nights season.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
We've talked about is this step into it, embrace all.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Of it in the room and reason it's unedifying for
a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
They're on the side of Courtia with the brain tape.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The man on They played the best footy I've ever
seen at the start of the season. And Andrew said,
President left the couple Order said, of course they do.
It is the stuff that legends are made of.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What is holding the ball?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Could do something wrong, you know, And I need to
get on the board sexually the fans, lover and with
no fans, no through.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Sixty year old.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Major announcements. So I want you to feel the beats. Dad,
You've got to be exactly the right mood you've got
to get your shizzled. You've got to get your giningers,
you got to get your Wii because he has come
into the grounded.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Sorry, I'm sorry, gonna get your Wii.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You've got to drop it like a top. I'm not
Is this Snoop Dogg? This is Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm not a music man, as you know, but I'm
really not a musing man on the back of this.
Is this going to get one hundred thousand people up
out of this seat? I know he's going to be
great in the lead out. I think the dog would
be great. You bring a Martha with him, but in
the lead up you'll immerse himself.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I just like it. Fine, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You've got to tell me. So he's a wrapper amongst us.
It's half time in LA at the Super Bowls. The
Doctor Dre and eminem and so how to support crew
with him?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And that's that's the home of this sort of hip
hop rap stuff, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
How old am I sound?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's going to go?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Exactly, how heavily? Anyway, it's a big name, global superstar massive.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I'm sure he'll immerse himself in all of the carry
on in the lead up, which will be great. You
can get him on the radio show and look, I'm
sure he'll do a great job. I'm just not it's
not my bag. But anyway, I'm not the target audience.
That's nothing, Jared. I'd stop there. You're going to lose
half an audience.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
If you continue.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I've spent the day fundamentally understanding the truth. I'm not
in the calls.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We must have one song that even nufs like me
can identify and recognize. Otherwise it's a poor choice. That's
that's the bar, at least one, Jared. No, it's all
wouldn't want to be that one.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's all on Andrew Dillon here, come on.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Deals.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
It's been a long process and a complicated process, but
it always is. But we're really happy that we've got
a iconic music act who's going to be on the
stage in Australian sport on the last Saturday and September.
And he's been at the Super Bowl, been at the Olympics,
so yeah, you can't wait for it. He had a
bit of an idea. He's got a team, the Western Bulldogs.
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I think his favorite player was Bailey Smith, but he
was a bit flatty left.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And went to the cats hell.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
The dogs work, all right?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Are we in for it? So do we want him
on our grand final show?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Damn straight, we do. I become a convert by then
you can get him here.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
All right, here's all we have lined up for it tonight.
We're during the Tribune in a few moments time with
David Zena Ray Chamberlain on the push that he called
out right at the start of the season, and it
continues on our captains for the Thursday night opener of
season ten at AFLW Ruby and Abby are going to
join us at the desk. Then all the footing news
and isn't there a lot in the trade space at
the moment Lauren Wood, John Ralph and Scott Gullen as
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the home and away season reaches its climax, Yes it is.
And then tomorrow night Simon Goodwin will be with us
at the desk. So we've lived the season of a
senior coach didn't make it to the end of the season.
So these things break in a few different directions. Simon
will be with us a week after his sacking from Melbourne.
John longmyand Adam Simpson and Emma more and Laura Kane
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with the big picture of season ten of AFL. Great.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
We've got the two captains, two girls coming up. It'll
be an awesome big game to Thursday night kick the
season off.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Give us a Tuesday favorite. You flagged this last night.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I wanted to talk about this last night, but
I'm happy to do it now. Artie Roberts this year
with the Essen footy. Gud's went a challenging year for
Essident in so many aspects, and you can be what
happens in these things. And I'm sure the selectors won't
be doing this because they have to pay attention, but
you can lose your way in a long season and
Essident become one of those teams. Unless you're a real
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Essen fan or your team's playing against them, you can
be forgiven for not watching them as closely as others
as you would. Adelaide with Daniel Curtin, who's a favorite,
and he's outstanding young talent as well well. But if
you haven't been watching, you missed this folk. No one's
had more footed than him in terms of the NAB
Rising Star fancies. He's a The read O favorite is
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Curtain and Reid Murphy Reid, would we both win great winners.
He's had as good a year as Levi Ashcroft in
my mind, Levi Ashcroft, I'm a massive fan of as well.
Look at his composure, his class, and he puts a
very very high price on every possession he gets here
and so he's average almost twenty five touches a game,
which is a big number for first year we have
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for a rising star. Play played a few games last
year and he puts value on the possession.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So he's got.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Better and better and better, and I think he's in
the argument right up to his eyeballs.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So you've done the work historically on rising star contender.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
It's not just numbers.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I mean, we know that foot is much more than
just possessions. But he does find it, and he finds
it in a team that is you know, you've got
to weigh all these things up. Daniel Curtain's playing on
the wing in the Premiership favorite and playing really well,
so that puts him in contingent if you read has
been great from the word game. But don't sleep on
this young guy. I think he's had an outstanding year.
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They're a bit off Broadway because this season's dropped away,
but the selectors won't have him off Broadway.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He'll be right right there.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Has to be on the ballot. Paper world done, but
you got case made. North's New Nanna. Were you watching
this on Sunday? This was fantastic when we get the
first look at the family of a debutante. So this
is Cooper trend Barth and his Nan, Vicki is in
the stands now he's picked up in the mid season
trade period out of the VFL program. NaN's barracked for
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the Bulldog. She's a member, a fifty year member. So
this is a stretch. Is on goes the North scarf
and then Hardo told the beautiful story that the highlight
of her day other than seeing and grandson kicking his
first goal, where she got to meet Caleb Daniel who
she had cheered for a premiership. That's so good and
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he played well yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And then's that a magnificent day out.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Vicky captured our hearts. It was beautifully told throughout the
broadcast and that does give your way into it, doesn't.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's awesome, awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Top of the agenda. It's a curious case of the Tribune.
It's one that doesn't fit the regular parameters that it
has caused a lot of debate from the very moment
it happened, the chain reaction set off by Dylan Shield.
The question sitting over it is this is suspension and
is it captured in the rules?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh no, that's Dylan Shield pushing. Pushing, that's dangerous. What
was your flinch reaction when you saw that? For the
first five kids did.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Look great in the way that Lua landed you, mister
for a second.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
We teach craft, We've teach about engagement, early contact, late contact.
He's made early contact easy, particular the space for himself
if he is.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Let him off. I didn't like the action.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I think, you know, all the way back to Ryan
Mantil earlier on in the season.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
You know it's a similar type act and he could
have ended really badly.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I I don't think he's planning to push someone into
his teammates, So I don't. I mean, I'm sorry to
argue with the king is, but I see it the
other way.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
We did the game, and as soon as that happened,
I said to brand I said that that action has
to get out of our game.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
If they think that he's he's pushed an opposition player
trying to push him into someone else, then that's a
different thing.
Speaker 8 (08:46):
I can't see it that way looking at that.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
The action has been problematic since the scratch matches this season.
Gas in the moment you saw it. Sometimes just the
funch reaction is the best reaction. You're just immediately KNOWEP
and I know.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You're going to go into the intricacies of the tribunal
and how difficult it is. I could take this one,
say that's a week. Just Dylan pushed him into a player.
The player luckily didn't break his neck, and we don't
want him the game in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Give him a week won't happen again.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So how to try that case under the laws as
they are written? David Zeena, welcome hy Jared, Hi Gary.
From the very outset of this case, when no charge
was actually laid and no plea entered, this has been
highly unusual.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Yeah, both sides of it, and this is a very
unusual case. It's been referred to the tribunal ungraded, and
that is not something that normally happens. If Ever, with
the tribunal, you can count on one hand the amount.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Of times this has happened.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
So Dylan Shield gave evidence and he said that his
eyes were on the ball up until after the push.
He says he was executing craft. He was trying to
create space and make sure he could get to the ball.
He didn't understand that Lumnnwil was injured from that marking
contest until after it. So he went to the bench
and said, how come while is being assessed for an injury,
said it came out of that market contest.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He said he was shocked. He had no ideas.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
So again, the technicalities of this case are quite interesting
and his worth noting renee enbom Cac is chairing the
tribunal tonight, not Jeff Gleeson, so a departure from the
usual makeup of the tribunal. David Needs and Darren Gasper
the other two members. So the Bombers say that the
laws of the game and the intention around rough conduct,
and the spirit and intention is around the protection of
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opposition players. So they say this should be about Mark
O'Connor where there is little to any impact suffered by him,
and the AFL, for its part, says that this is
something that should be looked at through the lens of
what happened to Lual, so they say this should include
what happened the bombers say that other players cleared out
of the space. Shield's eyes were on the ball until
after the push. He was trying to protect the dropsone.
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It was a legal footy act. O'Connor was pushed down
the wing. There was no high contact. The AFL says
Sheieerler is guilty of conduct against an opposition player in
which the circumstances is unreasonable. They said he should have
reasonably forced that what took place in this incident could
have happened. Ultimately, they've been deliberating for over ninety minutes,
so this has gone longer than the actual case itself.
(11:08):
I think it goes to show just how difficult a
case this is to assess. We didn't even hear really
a submission of what the penalty should be or how
this should even be graded. So this is very much
a departure from anything we've seen in tribunals before.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
That's why we.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
Are all a bit confused, and we're all in the
darkest to what the tribunal is going to come back
with when they hopefully get back into not too distant
future Jared.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So the AFL invited the tribunal to consider not just
the contacts on O'Connor, but then subsequently what happened to
Lual and Essendon argued that that's misconceived correat that is
not how the law is written.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Yeah, so this is all about where the onus is
and who we should be taking into account. Here the
bomber say, it's just Mark O'Connor. The rules and the
spirit and intention of the laws of the game and
rough conduct is about opposition players and protecting them. Whereas
the AFL says, this takes into account your teammates as
well as opposition players, and therefore Lual's injury or at
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least the scare to him regarding injury, should be considered.
So that's where the key divide is in regard to
this case. And that's what I think the tribunal was
spending a lot of time scratching their heads over trying
to come up with a result.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yes, because they're essentially being asked to write a rule.
So either come back and say this is not captured
in the rules, or we're going to intervene and by
case law added to the rules.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So sometimes in these instances, you just go do.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
What do I want the game to look like?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Do we want to watch Friday night footy Brisbane versus
Freemanner with spots in the.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Eighth on the line and that is allowed to happen summarily.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Throughout the game. Bloke's just pushing guys into traffic. Is
that what we want? So make your decision on the
basis of what you've got the game to look like.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And we don't want that in their game.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
We don't want so I kind of was out of
control of himself for a split second, a stumble because
he got pushed into traffic. That's not what we want
in our game. So stamp it out today. You don't
stamp it out tonight. We're going to go Friday Saturday
to showcase games and you're giving a license for bokes
to push other blokes into traffic.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yep, that's what you can don it.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So it's either tied it up tonight or I'm sure
it will get tidied up at the end of the season.
Seen where the loopholes are, and.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know, but for the grace of God go all
of us and Luau didn't break his neck.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And then Mark O'Connor. I'm another step closer and he's
getting hit in the head because he's.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Out of control. Because and this is not a quack
on Dylan, but that's just not what we want in
the game.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's easy, Jared. For me, it's not hard. It's easy.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So a football tribe, you know, would be able to
do it. But with the lawyers and the cases it's
much Well that's.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Hard, but in my eyes, stamp it out either now
or just say next time it happens.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
To all right, here was Brad Scott, the Essendon coach today.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
Well the unpipe Pader push in the back I think,
so there was a free kick, the too long play.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Wasn't injured.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
Struggle to see how there's a case to answer. Talk
about a triple whammy. We had a player injured, a
free kick against and then a tribunal case. So we've
been penalized three times without the opposition actually being the
victim as far as I can see.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And he's been consistent all the way through. We'll go
back to David Disittter as soon as we had a verdict.
There's a second case the night Rory Laird, so the
Crow's veteran is desperate to be there on Saturday night,
as you would be. He's currently facing a one match
suspension for this incident, which will get hurt immediately after
the Dylan Shield case. To see if he can argue
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his way out of that's and get himself on the
field on Saturday nights.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I haven't seen this year.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, he got up and played the game out, Jamie Crips, Yep,
no concussion.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Is that anercussion? So it's not outcome based, is it?
Speaker 9 (14:55):
So?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I mean people keep telling me it's outcome based, and
then if you get knocked out and you get concussed,
then you're going to get suspended.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Well, he played the game out.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You could argue that that's seventeen hundred and fifty dollars
fine on the basis of how it's been adjudicated throughout
over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Manner of the approached shoulder into the face. That's it
will be an interesting bar to test.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
What happened to two weeks on that, three weeks on none?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, Well, because there's no concussion, is that so if
he's left Crips can cast just get straight out through.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
It's just a horrid mess. Jared all right, your area.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Let's get to Carl. Yes, we heard from the incoming
chief executive for the first time today. I don't think
there's been a man who's been more speculated upon what
he's thinking and what he might do than Graham. Right.
He tipped his hand with the board last week backing
Michael Voss and that was ratified, and then he made
the first move today tipping out the head of footy
Brad Lloyd. Here was the chief executive. His view of
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Michael Voss being taken into the last year of his contract.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
We look really heavily into into VOSSI over the last
six weeks or so, I think, which Rob said we
do calm and rational manner, which we've done looking at
a whole range of things and talking to a whole
range of people in our football department, and you know,
we're really clear that Michael is the guy to lude
us into the future.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
He's a fantastic leader.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
And it's been a really difficult year from that perspective
because we.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Haven't performed well enough.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
As I said fourteenth on the ladder. We've had a
number of injuries towards the back half the year, him
bloodying some young players, but then a collective view that
this wasn't just a one person issue, that it wasn't
just about Michael, it was about our players. We haven't
got enough good players. Know we're like every time we
want more good players, I suppose or elite players, and
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those guys are in that category, I'd hope they're here.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
They're all contracted.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Right at the moment, we're fourteenth on the ladder, and
that's not good enough. So we need to be better
than that, and how we get better than that will
come to fruition.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So believes in Voss's leadership and coaching, believes in the
game style which it took them to two final series previously,
as you're on for at the start of the year,
unsettled them and then clearly able to say injury has
played a major role. Conceded that they cut back too
deep at the end of last season, so the depth
has been not there or too young and protected the
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core of the team, so the name players, the highly
paid players if you like. Conceding that they will lose
to Conan, highly likely to lose Silvanni through free agency,
but they must acquire by without disrupting that senior corp
so how do they do that?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
The next question isn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So he's said, there's mitigating circumstances that find themselves in
the position they're in, And that's fine.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I'm not a carlt And supporter, but I can live
with that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
If that's the conclusion that he's come through after having
beaten there for the season and watched it and he's
experienced enough, then you can sell that, Jared. That's sort
of putting him into the beverage category of this year. Now, okay,
we understand this. I still you can coach. I still
think there's a big upside. So now you've got the
informator to go after it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So they want to start.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Well and they want to be competitive and all that
stuff next year.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But that's I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
And if you had to made a decision the other way,
you could live with that as well. So there's a
lot on his shoulders and he's got great experience and
now it's over to Vossi and this management.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So the way right spoke is they intend to contend
next year, so he's not going to pull it apart
and reset it all, rebuild it. They want to add
they don't have the quality of player that they expect
throughout the full depth of the list, and they do
believe that Michael Voss is able to return them to final.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Well that's a challenge. Then either will or he won't.
I think they're a way off. Well, when I say
way off, it's just how quickly they can add to
the areas of the game that they are desperately needing,
and that is ball retention and protection of the footy
when they've got it in disposal.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I think that's the biggest issue.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And then that's assuming all the players who have been
injured are back and playing senior footies. So it's totally
justifiable position. Not that he needs any endorsement from you
to take, but now we're going to watch and see
how you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Go about it. It is an unanswered question.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It's uplifting when a club backs it's coach I reckon,
and there are highly successful examples of it, and there
are ones we go it didn't quite pan out. But
they'll run the full journey with him.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, so yeah, the full of next year.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, okay, yeah, Well they'll give him every chance to succeed,
and I think that's what we can ask for and
I mean he's contracted to next year, so he's going
to have a massive summer and the thing that he can.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Then throw at these boys is a I'm not leaving
anything on the table here, so don't come expecting that
we'll get it right in eighteen months.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So I think that's a good thing too.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So if you can't you, if you want to play
senior footy in this Carton team and you can't kick,
you've got a summer of kicking every single minute of
every single day.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Otherwise you don't play. I think that's a good message
Melbourne will embrace as well.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
It's the same yeah, yeah, So Melbourne are the one
club who have the coaching vacancy in the process will
start soon enough. Nathan Buckley has been thrust forward by
All and Sundry and that meant last night on the
couch that seat was particularly hot.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Nathan Buckley, It's great to have you on the couch tonight.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
Didn't see this on the running.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Do you want to coach next year?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I don't know if I will or not.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Now do you want to I don't.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Know if you do or not. No, there's a spot
available now and this is the first time that I've
actually wanted to go further down the track to find
out what that challenge would be and whether it would
fit for where I'm at in my life as well.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I took a call from Don Pike, but I said.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
To him, I'm not in a space to consider that,
and I think I'm in a space to consider it now.
It's more to understand Melbourne's challenge and where they think
they're at, where they think they need to go forward.
I am but one of many candidates that will be
really good options for Melbourne, and they'll go through their
process and they'll choose the person that they think is
(21:12):
best placed to take them forward. There's multiple good options,
there's multiple good decisions, it's not just one person. So
I think that's got to be really clear up front.
You know, I have kicked around with Tazzy as well
to have a look at that, but that's been dormant
for probably six months. So that's as open as I
can bear about it.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You might have a lot of questions. I don't have
a lot of answers.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Let's play a little bit of real or over reaction
with Melbourne and then with some Kilda. So broadly speaking,
now a deep dive on the demon list will encourage.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I think it's an overreaction because it won't discourage either.
The list is good enough not to turn anyone off.
I don't think it's a list that you look at
as some did at the West Coast, the Legals for instance.
Again that that's not for me. I think there's enough
there to not discourage. And if that's encouragement, and.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So be you.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So that's where I said with that, what about a
deep dive on the demon facilities will discovery?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yes, that's real, isn't it. Well, carefield happen or not often,
which is sort of the unanswerable.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, there's depends how you speak to but there's levels
of confidence.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I'll get there in the end.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
That's the generation's old question.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, I'm actually have you been out to Casey. I
went out and did a thorough tour of it at
the start of last year. The facilities out there are superb.
They are magnificent facilities out there. It's just the getting
there and you can that shouldn't be the millstone around
your neck. Well, we've waited since the early late seventies
(22:44):
to eighties to get us to get a home based yeared.
So that is something that is fundamentally non negotiable.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
But it can't hold your back. It can't. That can't
be the reason why yep yep.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So in the Buckley contemplation is that he had Collingwood,
which is just so good, so central, so well supported,
huge audience all the time. It's going to be a
vastly different experience. That is Melbourne. That part that is
really it's looking certain that Nassaia Wangony Miller is leaving.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I'm saying overreaction, I might be swimming against the tide.
I'm saying Nasaiah is staying at sin Kilda. I will
sign a contract and stay with the Saints.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Is that that would that would change things immeasurably?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Just roll the table on that with no. I just
I'm saying he's staying. I think they might announce it
this week. There you God, that had been good. So
I got no reason to say that to you, just
a gap, okay, And I hope I hope that, I
hope that he does. What about Sekula making a mess
of the off season before it's even begun.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Also, it depends entirely on what you've just put forward.
So I'll put an asterisk. It's a provisional reel because
once in the public domain, cow Wilkie Heart and Soul player,
once his grievances are ed, I think that's your signals.
We haven't kept everybody together. Now, it doesn't mean it's irretrievable.
You'd have to be inside to understand that. But they do.
(24:08):
If they lose Windager because they were inattentive, who knows
whether that happens, if they lose Mangane Miller or because
somebody got in the door. If they're going to dispense
with players like Marshall and Steeler, how does that end
up looking? So it's delicate and we'll know during the
trade period. You hate it when a player like that,
(24:29):
when those grievances are made public and there are multiple sources. Okay,
so that's real.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What about if they get the cunning, they keep Marshall,
they keep Mangane, Miller, they keep win Hagen, they attract.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
One or two.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, and that's it. That's the dream, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's your job.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You've got to get net gains out of this period
of time.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
So it's a big week and our.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Last one is we keep visual towards Saturday night. Is
the Magpies are all in. We've seen it training today,
So McCreary and Hill are on the track. McCrea's got
to be so delicate with a couple of hamstrings, he'll
is it all chips in on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Overreaction, okay, because that says that sells unnecessary risk, That
says that they're at a stage where they have to
take unnecessary risk, or that there's a slight whiff of desperation.
They'll give him every chance because they want him to play.
They want Hill to play because they fix an area
of the ground that they're really vulnerable in. So that's
not to suggest they won't be pushing them really hard,
but you don't take unnecessary risks. They still back themselves
(25:25):
if one or two or both of those boys don't
get up. So they'll push really hard and then Wednesday
to night they'll sit down and make the best decision
for whatever it is and double head over. There are
confident teams here, they'll be confident going dadelaude.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But it was good to see Jeremy Howe out on
the track, so obviously he's in the concussion protocols, but
given how heavy that blow was and he went to hospital,
it was just reassuring to see him back around the climate.
We will have to be out there, so all eyes
to Saturday night when the Pies travel to face the Crows.
All eyes to Thursday night ASLW has set a stage
standalone on opening night and surprise of ten years years
(26:00):
ago and the two Captains with Abbie and Ruby leading
these two famous clubs Carlton and Collingwood. Season ten of
AFLW our Special Players Night next sover
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