Fox Footy Podcast: All 9 contenders' finals scenarios broken down

Max Laughton, Will Faulkner and Jack Jovanovski review Round 22 and preview Round 23 of the 2025 AFL season on the Fox Footy Podcast, with a full breakdown of the nine contenders' finals pathways and how they're placed with two weeks left, plus Fair or Farce, the Mailbag and much more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Two rounds left one team locked into the eighth and
zero idea. Who'll finished the night? A dramatic round twenty
two plays prelude to an exciting final fortnight and will
break it all down on the Fox Footy Podcast. I'm
Max Lawton, filling in for Ben Walworth, who's out serving justice.
Turns out its almost finals is not an excuse to
get out of jury duty. But joining me this week

(00:35):
firstly is the man who can tell us whether early
August counts as the start of summer. Will Faulkner, great question, Max,
welcome a question, Thank you Max. It's good to be here,
A question asked by many. I think it is not no, no,
So the first ball of the summer going for six
was not the first ball of the summer T twenty
between Australia and South Africa and Darwin.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Possibly the first time that sentence has ever been said,
no first six of the winter. I think it is
a nice unique tone to it. That's fair in Australia,
but no, not the first six of the summer, unfortunately.
I'd love to know what our third Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well also joining us. He's a bigger fan of the
hundred as we know. A man who would never get
caught running too far in the middle of the MCG
with a minute left in a one goal game, Jack Drovinofski.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yes, no, I probably wouldn't. But I can say my
eyes popped out of my brain when I saw Falkner's
stumps out when he got out of the car.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
What what oh?

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Led the legs? Okay, are you wearing shorts?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'm wearing shorts for listeners who like a more visual
representation of what I might look like behind a mircrophone.
And it's my day off today, so I come in
more casually dress.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
That's very Melbourne, is it not. Yeah, that's adjusting to Melbourne.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yes, I've always been a shorts guy, and I don't know.
It hasn't been that bad a winter.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So well, was nineteen yesterday, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Quite? Not nineteen sunny?

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Not today?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
But we'll do that.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well all right, Well, let's skip through the fashion segment
and probably talk about the finals, I guess, which are
coming up very soon. The top nine, which we've known
have been the top nine for about two or three months,
continues to get dramatic. So let's run through the scenarios
for the contenders and do a little vibe check maybe
how we think they're all going, what we think their
chances are over the next two weeks and in the

(02:13):
finals as well. So we start, of course with Adelaide
the only team locked into the eight despite finishing fifteenth
last year. It's quite remarkable. One more win will lock
them into the top two. They finished with Collingwood at
home and North Melbourne away will are the Crows the
premiership favorites.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I think almost at this stage by default, because they're
the only team left that hasn't had a loss, a
shock loss, or a damning loss of sorts. That being said,
I think Adelaide probably walks away from their win over
West Coast on Sunday evening is as close to a
loss as you can possibly get against the bottom teams.
What Matthew X said, it felt like a loss. Yeah
he did, he did, and he said that West Coast

(02:52):
played better. I think I've said on this podcast before
in recent weeks that. I'm a big believer of teams
needing a loss or a wake up call some point.
I think this is almost the exception where this act,
even though they've won, it acts as a loss for Adelaide.
So I think they have a lot of learnings out
of that game, even though I mean, they won't be
too concerned in the fact they're not going to come
up against West Coast cump finals. As we've known for

(03:14):
more than two or three months.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
You know you can get nineteen relegated somehow.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Sure, yeah, a few sagas, but no, I think, yeah,
they'll come away from that with a lot of learnings.
But by default they're probably the premiership favorite. But I
don't think anyone really feels that comfortable saying they're the
outright favorite. Jack, what do you think? I think you're
being too modest about your own mob, mate. I think
clear that they are the premiership contender. I mean that
they're now a number one premiership contender. Sorry favorite. I

(03:39):
mean to say favorite.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
They are the number one team out for points against
and if there's any indicator for past flag successes, that
it's true. I mean, after what we saw Collingwood dish
out and what they've dished out the last over the
last five weeks. I think it's pretty clear right now
that Adelaide is right up there. They're also number one
punch them turnover, so that's the other thing I think

(04:01):
of when your ability to go the other way after
you do force turnover. So I think they're the best
place right now to win it all. Also, it's not defaults,
it's that also clear cut.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Also because of the finals bracket is going to just
clearly work in their favor finishing in the top two.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yes, one hundred percent. And they're one team that I
mean an interstate, a non Victorian team, you don't want
to be traveling over to their territory cume finals. I
think as we saw in twenty seven team with Adelaide
they had JBS qualifying final and then Geelong in the prelim,
two clubs probably wouldn't have wanted to travel over there
and play at Adelaide over which is a pretty big
fortress for them. I think they're eleven and one, I think,

(04:38):
and their only loss was against Geelong in Adelaide off
a five day break and they killed it in the
first half and just run out of leagues, so they'll
feel very confident Max, You've got them at the top
of your power rankings. You do agree with all.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
That, Yes, and very good chance that could be a
prelim adelaide Gelong if things go right way.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
With the bracket at your reunion.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yes, very exciting or less so for Geelong. Of course,
I'd rather not remember that game. No, they have to
be number one just because of the situation they're They're
the ones that aren't showing any faults right now.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
So do you think they're number one by default or
do you side more with Jack in the sense and
they are the clear premission.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
No, No, I think it's such an even comp that, like
they have the best situation from finishing on top, likely,
but it's not that they're so much better. And because
they have not been there before, we need to see it.
So everyone pretty much agrees that we're not going to
trust them until we see them do it. That's just
the reality. And we know historically no teams have won
the flag without some level of finals experience. Over the

(05:31):
past three four years, they have none.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Richmond would be the only exception in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
But they've been to a bunch of elimination finals the
years before that, so they'd at least appeared in September.
You're looking at well, you're looking at the Crows in
the nineties, to be fair, and then it's it's just
very unusual to have no finals experience and then go
all the way. Same thing with gold Coast, it's I
think I've brought up all year. So the Crows look
pretty good, but you never know until you get there.
Second place is Geelong. We mentioned them they finished with

(05:56):
Sydney away and Richmond away because the mcg is awake
that in mind for home final discussions. One more win
will virtually lock them into the top four and they'll
be locked in if they win and Collinwood loses to Adelaide,
and they can finish top two if they win their
last two. Jack, does it matter that the Cats have
had a soft run into September. I don't believe they've

(06:16):
played a top nine team in this run.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah, I think it does matter. I think it helps.
I think we on couch they talked about the history
of Premiers in the last ten years and how they've
fared in the run home so over the last six weeks,
and it was mostly about the Colin discussion and the
fact that at best they can be three and three
going in, which is well below what the winning rate
is for the Premier in their run home.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
It's like seventy five percent. I think it was.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
That's right. So Geelong on the other hand have that
easier run going in, but we I think their last
big test was Giants and they lost that, so I
think it does matter. I think you'd like to get
one decent challenge in that span going to the run home.
But I've got no concerns about Geelong under Chris Scott.

(07:04):
They've maintained their health really well. They don't have you know,
they haven't had a real injuries drive this year, so
they've had good continuity. The one thing with Collingwood is
they've had like thirty one players played, but only fourteen
you know, like play together over ever a period of time.
So continuity is important and so I don't worry for
Gelong at all.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
We're saying that Sydney's a heat check this weekend.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I think I think Sydney counts as a test are
certainly away. They just beat Brisbane after all, yes, away, yes, yes,
So that is some level of test, and I did
look this up while riding the power rankings, and the
most similar run home I could find was in fact,
Gee Long and twenty twenty two. In their last six
weeks that year, they played one top eight team that
was the Bulldogs, who finished eighth, and then they had

(07:45):
a slowish start to the qualifying final, still got over
the top of Collingwood and then dominated their last two
finals to win the flag. So if you want to
read into that saying that maybe they'll be a little
bit rusty at the start of a qualifying final, I
could see some logic in that, and that makes sense
for most people. But I'm not thinking that it's going
to ruin their chances just because they haven't been warmed
up properly with a bunch of tough games. The tough
games just make it more likely you're going to lose.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Well, the gaming and Sydney shapes as that test because
the way they're playing, they just toppled the rating premier,
So I think that counts as a genuine test going
in just with the way they're playing now with more
of their stars around, so we'll see how they're fair.
I think I'm actually tipping Sydney.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
That's entirely reasonable.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, I mean so yeah, I think that is that test.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
There you go. Collingwood sits third despite their loss to
Hawthorne and all all the other ones they have copped recently.
They finished with Adelaide away a monster game on Saturday
night which is on Fox pretty funnily enough, and Melbourne
at home to finish, which suddenly looks like an important
one because if they lose to Adelaide, Collingwood probably need
to beat Melbourne in the final round to clinch finals,
although I still think it is quite unluckly they miss

(08:45):
because of percentage and they can finish top four if
everything goes right. So well, are they officially out of
the top tier of premiership contenders based on what they've
shown over the past five six weeks.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think they're right on the edge from what I've
seen with Collingwood. Just as you think that got the
full side out like a big thing for them on
the weekend was I mean last Thursday night. It goes
throughout saying that Jeremy Howse's injury was a big play,
a big part in probably the final margin as well
as their system, but also the absence of Bo McCreary
and Bobby Hill up Ford. The Colinwoo didn't register a
tackle inside forward fifty for the first half, right, so

(09:18):
when they were getting it in there, they just weren't.
Now to keep it out Hawthorne which just blazing straight out.
They just Yeah, just as they seem to have a
side at full strength, there seems to be just a
couple of things not working. But yeah, four out of
five losses in a row and it could very well
be five out of six, that's a serious way to
come back from. I mean, they've probably got the opposite
problem of John where they've been continually tested the last

(09:40):
five weeks. They've all their losses have come against very
good opponents. There haven't been too many shocks. I don't
think they just keep getting the wrong clubs at the
wrong time and that really hasn't played well into the
hands Jack.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, I think so with Colin would we always hear
about system with Craig McCrae and I think luck you
touch on will they've they've really suffered from some of
the personnel losses, and it is Bubby Hill and Bo
McCurry because you don't have that same speed across the
high half forward line when they want to generate those
turnovers that close to goal and then go fast the

(10:12):
other way. I haven't been able to do it. Last
five weeks. There twelve of points on a turnover. They're
thirteenth for scoring. So I think, and Bucks spoke about
this last weight and on the couch as well, is
they've really struggled finding that balance with their team. And
when you have guys like Ned Long and Tommicche on
the same side, I don't really mesh. And when they've

(10:33):
got it, then players those high out forwards generals you
don't at the same pace, don't know the same traits
as those guys who do that damage. So I think
the plus side for them is that if they can
regain these guys in the back end when it matters,
I think there is still a chance they can get
back to the heights that we've seen earlier this year.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah. The ceiling is very, very high. Yeah, and the
perfect time again I use the word heat checked. But
against Adelaide, who have three tall forwards, the defense is
going to be a bit iffy this weekend. It's basically
going to be volume two of Hawthorne. I think and
just whether or not they're up for it.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
They did build such a big buffer over the start
of the season that they could still finish top four
even if they lose this week. That's the good thing
for them. And in a normal year, fifteen wins already
and they would be completely fine. Craig McGray talked about
when they won their fourteenth game that that's what they've
been planning for all year. You've got to remember that
this is a weird year, this is a weird context
to be in. They are not a disaster just because

(11:24):
they've lost a couple of close ones and then two
bad ones to Brisbane and Hawthorne.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Are they in your top tier of contenders still?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah? Because I still believe that they can get it
together once they're fully fit, and they'll have a good
enough run in the finals bracket to do some damage. Yes,
it's what they're all built for, so they should be okay,
but we'll see if actually win it. Honestly, I five
or six teams could win. It just depends on how
the finals matchups. Four and surprisingly in the top four
at the moment, maybe doesn't feel like they're a top
four team. But Freeman, yes, the doc is impressive. Eleven

(11:51):
of twelve wins since your mob. Yes, very exciting times.
They've got Brisbane at home and the Bulldogs away for
a very tough final fortnit. If they win once, the
Dockers will play finals. They win twice, they probably make
top four. But if they lose both games and the
most likely results occur, I think they miss the eight.
That's how close this still is. So Jack, are you

(12:12):
half full on the Dockers based on their performance and
getting into the top four or half empty because they
are still at such risk?

Speaker 4 (12:19):
I am half empty. I would I would. I would
love to see the Dockers, you know, finish in the
top four and really have a crack at it, especially
in Nat Wife's final few games. But they only just
got over Port, and like, if that goes the other way,
we're talking about potential disaster because I don't like I

(12:39):
think Brisbane bounce back and beat them this week and
then I can't. I cannot see a world where they
beat the Bulldogs at Marvel in the last round. So
it's really tough. I still think it. Yeah, like you say,
I still think they could be the team that drops
out and that win against Port. Literally like that's going
to be massive regardless, because if they lose that then
I think that they would have already been cooked.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Would be Tigo the for night if they'd lost that game.
I think they are effectively Collingwood twenty twenty two at
this point. They've had this incredible winning run with a
bunch of close wins, and if you want to believe that,
that's building momentum and belief, and then they as long
as they get into the top four, gett into the
top eight, they've got a chance and they could get
even better. That's what Collingwood did and it worked out
the year later. But there is also the damage to
the percentage that all of these close wins are doing

(13:20):
because of their percentage, if they lose their next two games,
that's why I think they would miss the eight. So
would that be unfair if they missed the eight? If
they performed like a team that deserves to play finals.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, I think whoever misses the eighth this year is
grossly You know, Ben stashed up it class half fall.
I had my Freemantle fan housemate sent me this today.
If we win both their games, right, yes, which I
know Jack's already ruled out so that won't happen. But
if it Didos beat Gold Coast, Sydney beat Geelong with
Jacks Tipping and Adelaid bat Collinwit. It's the top two

(13:50):
finish for the Dockers. So their ceiling is still very high.
And if they know if they push for that, tell
you what, you don't want to be traveling over to
Perth for a qualifying final. No, but back to more
to what we were speaking about before. Their list is
just so good in my opinion, like a lot of
people say that about the Western Bulldogs, I'm very much
that with Freeman. Their list is so good they shouldn't
be missing finals. Yeah, I think long Mule gets a

(14:13):
pass at fourteen wins and they don't make it through
the finals because if any other year, sorry fifteen wins,
because any other year in the history of the AFL,
that would have got you in the top eight and
potentially pushing for top four. Maybe in some circumstances, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
But yes, I think Brisbane won neither fourteen and a
half or fifteen and a half games last year and
won the flag, so they've surpassed that. If it was
fourteen and.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
A half, Yeah, it's a big tick for all nine teams.
One of them is just gonna be round lucky.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
They are still young, but they are more experienced in
terms of games played than they are young.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yes, there is surely no world, but we're talking about
the potential four long you to get sacked if they
miss on fifteen wins.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
No, no, absolutely not, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Grossly unfair and I don't think that will happen. And
you're certainly not sacking the Brisbane coach Chris Fagan regardless
of what happens. But what happens could be quite dramatic
because they finished with three or away and then Hawthorne
at home. It's the same situation as Freo. You win twice,
you're probably making top four, but if you lose twice
you're probably missing the finals. Will simply put, are they
going to play finals?

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I'm not as optimistic as Jack that Brisbane are definitely
going to beat Freemantle.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
He did say definitely going to beat Free meant I
remember Himsel, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
So definitely no, sorry, so sorry, very very confident Cock.
I think bringing the opposite of the fantastic. I'm not
as confident that Brisbane will. I still think they're every chance.
But similar to Freo playing the Dogs at Marvel in
round twenty four, I wouldn't want to be coming up
against Hawthorne round twenty four if I was Brisbane. I

(15:40):
know that's at home at.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
The Gabba, which is where they have not been playing well,
no exactly, lost four games exactly.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
On the on face value, you probably think that's the
game they should win. It's nowhere near as much as
a lock as what we have seen with Brisbane in
recent times at the Gabba. So yeah, winning in I
think if they lose this weekend they are a very
real chance of missing finals, which is the brutal reality.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
That would be a huge game on the Sunday night.
I like that they put that last effectively over in
twenty four. That will be funny.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
The way tipping Fremantle.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I think I would tip fram Yeah, yeah, look at it.
Yeah I will.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Okay, you don't get to decide if he locks it.
He sends me his tips and then I put there McGuire, Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
We've got the proof I needed.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Now Okay, well there you go. Just these two seriously
gold Coast sitting sixth and if you give them the
points for the win over Essendon, which I think a
lot of the shows have done this week because no
one is respecting Essendon. In the slightest the Suns would
be third right now. But that's how you've got to
sort of think of them. That's how close they are
to a top four finish. They finished with the Giants
at home, poort away in Essendon at home on a

(16:39):
exciting Wednesday night game, playing a Wednesday night game at
People First Stadium. It's very COVID times. I don't like it.
If they win their last three, they making the top four.
So Jack, are they flying under the radar as a
genuine threat this final series?

Speaker 4 (16:52):
I think they are, and I think it's because of
what you said about these teams needing some experience coming
in in the finals. I mean they've never played finals,
let alone in the last few years to build them
up to this point. Now they've got this demon of expectation.
But we talk about points agains and in the last
five weeks and number one points again. So I think
the big reason why is you get the return of
Sam Collins, who is so important down their back for them,

(17:14):
and so the way they hold up behind the ball
is why I think there you know can be a
superpower in this final series. But what you're talking about
and why we don't still don't expect like we can
admit they're going to play finals, but we don't expect
them to be, you know, really up there when it
really gets to the business end.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
The thing that they remind me of so much and
it makes so much sense is the Giants first final series.
So the Giants finished I think it was third or fourth.
They certainly played a qualifying final against Sydney, they beat them,
and then going into prelimit Room final weekend, the Giants
in their second ever final were flag favorites six twenty
six going into that Bulldogs Pregram. So that's how close
you are. If you get to a qualifying final, which

(17:56):
I think they will. I'm tipping the Suns to finish
third and playing at the end CG in their first
ever final would be quite dramatic. Would be a stark,
crowded gap between the Cats or Collingwood or whoever was
hosting them. What's their pass mark for them, Max in
terms of performance for the rest of the year.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
They need to win a final to say yes, like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
That's historic. First step forward they're clearly going to be
in a position where the bracket sets up for them.
I think at worst, they're going to host a final
at home, and they've played so well at home for
the last few years they have to beat that'd be
a big chance to beat anyone really once they're there.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
So you think it's a fail if they make the
finals and lose.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, yeah, because they're going to finish with sixteen or
seventeen wins, right, that's a crazy.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Good year where fifteen wins could miss and they've never
played finals before. You don't think it's a pass for
them just to.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Get there, no, because you can the content that there's.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
This expectation that teams who don't play in the finals
in the years previous, but.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
They typically it's about fifty to fifty half of them
end up just not winning a final. They go out
first week and the best performance I think by a
finals debutante is making a prelim. So the Giants losing
a prelim. Adelaide lost a prelim their first finals appearance
in the early nineties, so that sort of thing would
be an incredible result to get to a preliment. Fel
the Suns but if they lose a qualifying final and

(19:06):
win a semi final, I'm absolutely thrilled they go out
in straight sets. It's incredibly disappointing. They've set themselves up
some success, but no one expected it.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I tend to agree. I don't think you could lose
back to back games at people First Stadium a Carara
and consider, well, if.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
It's if it's so, let's go by the run home
when they're playing Gelong at the MCG, which I personally
would give them no chance to win a qualifying final,
surprising if they lose that and then play up in
Gold Coast in a semian lose against another finalist who
was one at least fifteen games, we're calling that a fail.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
So it would be one of Adelaide Collingwood.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Is that no, so they playing they'd be playing one
of the elimination final winners, So it would be based
on my bracket. I've got to actually look at my top.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Eight Lions Bulldogs Frio Hawthorne.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, so they'd be on the Lions or Bulldog side
of the bracket. So hosting Breath again, very good chance.
A Pineapple Grapple semi final.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Then they have historically and they only just got over
that hum ago against Brisbane. It gets the big brother. Now, yes, yeah, okay,
and we're going to say that if they lose that
game that I can't I can't agree with that. I
think if they qualify and make the finals go in
straight sets, if they make a top four, I still

(20:18):
would say that their year is a pass.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Okay, that's perhaps I'm being harsh, but I also think
that the context of the season where you would be
playing a very good team is one thing, but the
context of your own season, where in this reality the
Suns are finishing with seventeen wins when I think they
have they ever even won twelve in a season, would
be that's good enough to win a final and they'd
set themselves up for some success. But either way, they're

(20:42):
going to be good for a while, so they'll have
more chances to come back and if they have some
painful exits, well it worked for the lines eventually Hawthorne
in seventh. Now, after they're a very impressive win over Collingwood,
they finished with Melbourne at home Brisbane away. They probably
play finals with one more win because of their percentage.
They built that quite nicely in recent weeks. They could
still make the top four if they went out, but

(21:02):
like the teams around them, if they lose both games,
they will almost certainly miss the finals. Are they peaking
at the right time of year?

Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think so. I've had my reservations about Hawthorne this season,
but the way that they just, yeah, they demolished Collingwood
on Thursday night. The really impressive thing for me was Collinwood.
The systems so big for Craig McCrae, their ability to
stop Collingwood at all moving through the middle of the ground.
Like we spoke about their ford fifty issues at Collingwood,
but they couldn't even get it past the defensive fifty

(21:30):
with a lot of run and carry, which has been
one of their strengths. Yeah, I mean Mitchell was a mastermind.
I think a lot of people share that opinion and genius.
I think if I have heard that finals is made
for him, So I think, yeah, there is no ceiling
on Hawthorne. They're the one that one team that probably
finishes in that bottom four who I think could do

(21:51):
a Brisbane this season. That they've had that finals experience
and that's probably intangible to a certain extent. Last year,
they were one point two points away from a Premium final.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
At least a kick, yeah, at least a kick yeah,
could have been certainly could have been pought over there.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
They were so close, and yeah, I mean, John, you
can You're probably gonna have to rely on Jie a
fair bit in finals.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Will Day's absence is really going to hurt.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Still massive and you know that's very well documented, and
he played a massive game on Thursday night, but they're
going to have some to excuse me, they're going to
have to have some stars in the midfield like Giant
did last Thursday night for them to be a chance,
because clearance has been a big concern of Theirs, and
that's where they were badly exposed in the last three
quarters against Adelaide after playing the first quarter so well,
and that was around the same time that will Day
probably started showing signs of injury.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
If there's a year where someone's going to win it
from eighth, I think it would be a year like
this where everyone's really good and the path that I'd
got them on and my predicted ladder is finishing eighth,
playing three to zero in an elimination final over there. Tough,
but we saw that game was pretty close. I think
it will at least be winnable. And then you're getting
a semi final, possibly the MCG against Collingwood. If they

(22:56):
lose a qualifying final, that's winnable, very when we saw that,
and then you're in prelim and then maybe you're playing Gelong,
you're playing Adelaide Away. It's gonna be tough. But I
don't think we can count any of these teams out
from going on a run, except well, it depends on
how exactly the bracket falls out, but it wouldn't shock
me at all if they did that. Do you believe
in the Hawks at this point?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Jack?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Absolutely? I think all the talk has been the talk
has been about the forwards, but I think it matters
more what's going on behind the ball, and like you said,
will in the midfield. I think when Jihan Yukon plays
the way he did and has that clearingge dominance that
they tend to play pretty well. And all three of
those star defenders that they've got and now all playing
at like a really high level. There was some you know,

(23:38):
there are some issues and some talk around Sisley dun
this season, but now he's really coming good at the
right time. So all three of them are playing really well.
Last five weeks. They rank first without the footy, so
like osition opposition points from Ford half their number one,
so that like they're almost an impenetrable wall. And a
big part of that is Mitchell system and the way
that he, you know, forced hollingwod to play into their

(24:01):
hands with the long down the line, and so I
think that's a big part of it. And like you said,
the finals experience, I had that last year. So I
think they're well prepped and I think they'll get there,
and I think they'll win at least one game.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Definitely a chance. We'll see what happens. The Giants, we
don't know if they'll get there though, because they sit
eighth and if they lose to Gold Coast Away this week,
they will almost certainly be ninth heading into around twenty
four and needing help to play finals. They play the
Saints in the final weekend, they win both games, they're safe,
but we just don't know yet. Jack, would this be
a wasted season if they missed the eight or do

(24:30):
they have some reasonable excuses if that happens.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Wasted is harsh, but I think because I mean, I
pick them for the flag so and I know you
know they are a popular pick, right, So I think
in one sense it is it would be a wasted
yet if they didn't make it. They have been wildly
inconsistent at stages, like the way they played against the

(24:56):
Bulldogs versus the way they played in the second half
against Sydney's So Star, And I think the consistency is
really important and we haven't quite seen that. And I
understand that they had one like five of their last
six or six of their last seven or something, but
the way they played against the Dogs was so starkly contrasted.
So I think it would be it would be a
wasted season. If they missed, they'd be super unlucky. But

(25:20):
at their height they will genuinely threaten. The unfortunate thing
is I think that they don't beat Golgos this weekend
and so, like you said, they would be relying on
other factors if they beat sink Kildar in the final round.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Have got quite a few injuries, as we know, Jesse
Hoagan has been sort of in and out of the
team all year. I think Adam Hinsley was pretty confident
he'd be playing this weekend, which is quite big. Bret
Daniels has barely played. Josh Kelly's heard of the moment,
Jack Buckley. So they've had some absentees. A lot of
teams have. Of course, it's not a perfect excuse, but
it is a reason why they would have been in
consistency I imagine.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
No, of course. I mean they've got so many senior
heads in their team that have actually have a fair
the Finals experience and well oil drill, So yeah, having intersruptions.
I mean Colin was finding that out right now, with
players being out just when you think you're about to
get going. I think Josh Kelly only came in a
couple weeks ago first game back alongside Sam Taylor and

(26:16):
the third person escapes me, but then two of them
went straight back out the next week with injurirectly Buckley.
Sorry Jack Buckley, as we know who's out for the
rest of the home and away season. Brownie's really big
on this, and he said this on couch a couple
of times. The Giants had their best, which I think
is what Jack was alluding to, is probably better than
anyone's and I would nearly agree with that. But you're
a big expected score men, Matt, and they have exceeded

(26:37):
the expected score in a lot of games this year
that they've won. Is it Did it happen enough for
you to say like they are the real deal and
their best is going to be anyone? Or is it
you still reckon it's going to average out to the
main No.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think they have some goal kicking ability that other
teams do not. They just have some very good kicks
for goal and maybe that gives them a little bit
of a boost. But I think percentage tells the tail
Frio and GW being probably the two most likely teams
to fall out of the eight, they also have the
two worst percentages outside of Brisbane, but Brisbane have a
draw the two most likely teams to miss out of

(27:09):
the eight, So that explains a lot. And when you
talk about percentage, you also talk about the Western Boardogs
who have a very very good one. And that percentage
means that the Bulldogs if they beat West Coast and
Freeman or both at Marvel the WA Marvel doubleheader, they
will play finals because of that percentage that's locked in now,
because of the scenarios around Freeman or Brisbane and Hawthorne.
They all play each other except for frewin Hawthorne. The

(27:31):
Boardogs will finish above at least one team if they
win out, but they lose once very likely to miss
the eight. And they very nearly lost on Sunday against
Melbourne in one of the games of the season. But
it was scary there for a while to both of
you guys. If they make it, are they good enough
to do any damage anyway?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I'm not not more than one or two games. I
don't think. I don't think they can win the Yeah,
I don't think they can win the flag and win
faun a Row. I mean King King is also very
big on the and I strongly agrees you just have
to be able to defend in finals. And it's just
far too late in the season I think to be
fixing the glaring holes that they have in their back half.
They've never really known what they've wanted to do or

(28:12):
what they're doing. I mean only it was only a
month or four or five weeks ago that they were
playing Adelaide with two key defenders. They got absolutely reciled
that day at Marvel Stadium. Jeed Bustling has Coming were
subbed out halfway through the third quarter. Their personnel is
very good, but they just seem to be one one
big defender short and they just I mean points against.

(28:33):
I know they're points four. Sorry, the points four is
very good this season. Without having the numbers number one, yeah,
for points four points against that they'd be outside the
premiership window. I can't see them being in the top
six now.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
The way they defended it in the last five weeks
their a eight points against it and I think it's
a similar conversation with the Giants is like you said,
ability to stand up behind the ball. I think it's
been floated, but like Jake, if you add someone like
Jake Lever to that back line, I think you get
a good boot. But in terms of this season and
the way this year is going to end, I don't
think they have enough personnel behind the ball to level

(29:07):
out the superstar factor ahead of the ball in the midfield.
And it was a good test of their metal to
hold on against a Demon's ten. It has clearly got
that sugar hit with the caretaker coach, so their season
is still alive. I don't think they can do serious
damage in the finals, and the same things with the Giants,
because the whole thing with them was they can see

(29:30):
so many inside fifty entries and they stand up so
well because they have Taylor and Buckley back there. But
if they can't get Buckley back, you know, for the finals,
if they make it, I think that's trouble. So those
two teams, I think the defensive issues are probably why
they're not going to make a massive statement in September.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
All fair, I will say one thing. My predicted Week
one of finals would have the Bulldogs finishing seventh sounds familiar.
Playing an elimination final Interstate seems familiar. Then maybe playing
a Victorian team on the way down in a semi
final like Collingwood sounds familiar, very twenty sixteen type run,
and then playing an interstate team in the grand final.

(30:08):
Who knows, Maybe they're a chance, they said, Like even
Bontapelli pointed this out postgame. I heard him say that
they haven't lost a game by more than twenty two
points this year, like they've been close to all these contenders.
That still gives me a little bit of faith. But
it will be tough if they get there. We don't know.
We'll see over the next two weeks it's going to
be an exciting run of games. That's it for that segment.

(30:28):
Let's move on to Everyone's Favorite and.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Now on the Fox Footy podcast, another strong edition of
Australia's Favorite segment, Fair or.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Fast, Fair of Fuss is what I'm talking about. Of course,
Jack will start with you. Carlton was right to ask
multiple other people, including a sitting AFL coach, if they
were interested in coaching the Blues in twenty twenty six
before making the call to stick with Michael Voss.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Quite the development, wasn't it. I believe that this happened?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Does Blake Carleton strong denials?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean a shocker, right, Yes, I think it's fair.
I think it's fair. I think it's I think the
reason why you bring someone like Graham Wright to the
club is that that he can sound out who he
believes might be available or might be a better option.
And I think you'd be negligent in your duties if

(31:22):
you're not doing your due diligence and finding out who
might be willing to come over. And you know, so,
I think VOSSI surviving that board meeting is while it's
a testament to you know, he's standing at the club
and what the club leagues he can do with a
slightly better listen next year going forward. I think at
the same time, they definitely would have considered whether they're

(31:44):
a greended pastures and who's out there potentially wanting to
take on a challenge.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Wasn't the most convincing statement when they said he's staying
on because they said he's staying into twenty twenty six,
not for the entirety of twenty twenty six. Of course,
we don't know what they're gonna do next year.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
He's on thin strings, is vos. I think it's great
that he's going around again. Personally, sorry thin ice, Yeah,
dancing on thin strings?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I mean thin strings would also be hard to hold.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
You hanging by a three?

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Aren't old strings? Thin?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Not necessarily? What's the thickest is a piece of string
before it comes a rope? A question?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Ropes are generally like tied up strings, like like all bundled.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I don't know whose string guys a nice mate, but
just it thin strings on anyway? Yeah, I mean not
that I was being asked whether it was fair or fast,
but it was probably fair.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
No one ever chips in fast in this segment that
never happened.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
No, Like, I mean we see it plays all the time, right,
I mean Melbourne shopped around Clari Oliver last year and
the year before. Like it happens. You do stuff behind
closed doors, you know, Yeah, it happens. People do not
in the trade circle all the time.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Who do we think they would have spoken to the
sitting AFL coach that s mclauw was unwilling to name.
Who would you be talking to in that circumstance?

Speaker 3 (32:52):
This is this is very speculative areas.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
I'm asking you to speculate. I'm not asking you to report.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
If I had to, what did you say?

Speaker 4 (32:59):
What do you record?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
We're doing speculating? Gone, I think it would be Ken?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Does that? Does can Heckley fit the bill of he's
not a sitting coach next year? Or would they have
just talked to him and as part of that conversation
perhaps floated the idea, hey, you know we could have
view his head of footy because they did get rid
of Brad Lloyd today on Tuesday, Or it could be
his coach. Maybe that was just the conversation.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
If I had to guess, yeah, it would have been
through Ken. I don't think there's too many other coaches
who aren't quite stable with their either very new into
their era its job as coach like yours as mcqualtas,
or aren't quite hard and fast with their club.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
What do you asked about Chris Scott?

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Yeah, I was seeing Chris Scott like it'd be just
like a hell Mary sort of like, is there any
chance he won a new challenge?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Recently signed a three year deal at Geelong? Like the
time has he actually signed that?

Speaker 4 (33:50):
I think it's expected, but he hasn't put And this
could have been like weeks or months back.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Anyway, he's been He's been linked to this job for
a while and he's not even officially the CEO yet,
but he's doing all this all this work.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah No, I mean, like, and what if you were
going to send out a coach in the in the AFL,
any coach is probably Chris Scott, So.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I would have Sai Luke Beveridge if it was the
start of the year, but we know he's resigned since,
so it seems like that's gone away. Logical that would
make some sense, will fair or fast? You shouldn't be
able to be suspended for injuring your own teammate or
potentially injuring your own teammate, as we saw with Dylan Shield.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
We did see that with Dylan Shield. A nice little
tunnel we had there. Yes, Well, I mean, when you
push someone or you perform an action that has consequences
for any other player on the field, you should be
able to be suspended for it.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
So it's fair, but it's Can you make the counter
argument that eston would not want to prosecute the case
because the victim player was their own possibly possibly a
league was perfective. It's a good point, but I suppose
says why the rules don't say that. The rules actually
don't say you have to injure your own says come
in any player?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, maybe you would want LUA was written permission? Again, Lumn,
how do we that jacks right?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
A term of affection.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
I would have thought, if we're if we're this serious
about rubbing out this particular action from the game.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Which we haven't been, all that your year to be fair.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Right, So it should have been enforced starting with the
Gymbi Act, is what I believe.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
I think a lot of people agree with that.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
But we've got to the point now where we are
genuinely going about trying to prevent players from doing it.
And part of that is, well, yeah, I mean, you know,
your your teammate might have been in the firing line
in this circumstance, but it's the same act that we've
been punishing players for doing two opponents in his last
few months anyway, So I think it's, you know, definitely
something that we should be punishing.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
And it also makes sense that you know, Greg Swawan
coming in, He's been there for a couple of weeks now,
this is the first time this type of incident has
happened under his watch. It would make sense for him
to try and put his stamp on the Jack Fair
or Fast Snoop Dog is a terrible choice for the
Grand Final entertainment unless he performs the menu logs on.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Oh we were having this, go on, what do you
want to say?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Just the way you were thinking there, it was like
you were about to spit out some sort of Snoop
Dog line that you know could be weaved into your answer,
similar to what Mitch Cleary did on our Twitter.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well, he just did a lyric which wasn't even relevant
to like football. He didn't do nothing but an mcg
thang or you know that's.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
That's I think you got it wrong yet to edit it.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I did see that as well.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah, it was one of those double take ones, which
it's always fun, so it's good.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
To yeah anyway, anyway, thoughts Ghetto and the Chateau.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Oh this is this is a discussion we had last night.
I don't think it's necessarily terrible. I don't think it's
great just because of the vast demographic it's going to
be at the Grand Final. I don't mind, you know,
some snoop every now and now. I don't mind some
nineties rap, but I don't quite think it's the cup
of tea of you know, you're thirty to sixty year old.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
That's a white demo. Yeah, well I'm trying to say, yeah,
but okay, So if we think of the demo the
demographic of the generic footy fan, are we just doing
eighties and nineties pub rock every Grand Final? Is that
the answer here?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I'm pretty happy with Snowdog. I think like put up
a good performance. I don't know, would Meet Loafe have
been the target demographic of anyone when they did it.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
At that time? You think of that? Yeah, like he
would have just been nostalgia slash relevant enough to most people,
because that was what nine, was it not?

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, yes, Geelong Collingwood. Yeah maybe eleven eleven, that sounds right.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yes, So around that time he was just getting a
bit too old, like'm certainly too old now. But they're
going for big names like Katy Perry, and Katy Perry
was a great call. That's a more mainstream.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Name, and I think you can get people from different
demographics who can appreciate at least one or two of
her songs without being hardcore fans. I struggle to think
that you're going to get the same thing out of Snoop.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Like my mum asked me genuinely, which songs of his
would I know? And I don't think you would know
any It's really just like those in the Crib.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
He's got so many songs where you're just like, you
know that like one line because it's funny, yeah, like
you don't really yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Just like a lot of people would be familiar with
drop it like it's tight.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yes, probably because that line though, yeah, yeah, well that's
what you need to know, like, and I think a
lot of people would be suggesting, like, oh, why are
they doing an Aussie band, an up and coming Aussie group,
because people will also not know the songs of them.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
They've had a very good track record the last four
years the AFL, So I'm willing to let them go
out on a go on a limb and see how
Snoop goes. But it's just a shame we couldn't get
a crossover between Katie and Snoop for California Girls and
for Menu Lock and for Menu Lot.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yes there are other there are other food service options available,
by the way, But.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Isn't it isn't that song completely different in America? I
don't have like a different version.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
It's the same song, but they changed th brand.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yes, so did.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Somebody say just eat that's it? Like what it sounds?
Break your mind when you hear.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
That on YouTube? This isn't sponsored, by the way, not
at all.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
But try them all or actually just go to a
restaurant that would be good to Who would be your
number one pick personal pick, not thinking about demographics and
everything else. Who you'd most want to see as grand
final entertainment?

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Maybe Gone Will it's a connoisseur. If I'm if I'm
just seeing sky one as a Triple J countdown.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Just so you're a young person, you're who surely the
AFL is trying to target.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yes, correct, just ask me Andrew. I think Kyle and
Og would be a good one for Australians. I think
not a bad person, yes, okay, probably harder to get,
harder to get, but I think.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Would have been hard to get.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, But it's that's also about I think their relationship
with the touring company. I think it's the mushroom they
work with and it depends on who is available, who
could be touring at the time. That's why you get
certain acts at certain times. A CDC was discussed. I
think because they're doing shows in September maybe in Singapore, right.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, I mean yeah, maybe has to align for Tate
McCray is popular at the moment.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Are you going to morel what are you ready off them? Mate?

Speaker 3 (39:59):
My on repeats now yeah, and but then the rest
of them all just DJ is like, you know you're
not gonna get Calvin Harrison daver to get her out here?

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
That's a great, great point you make, because Calvin Harris
would be my okay choice. Calvin Harrison is the only
person I've seen life the only concert you. I don't
go to concerts. It was part of like a bigger thing,
but I went to see Coven Harris.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
So I had not been to many concerts ever until
I got into K pop, and now I've into a
bunch because I'm a weirdo like.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
That, would you get K pop in? I would?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I would getlasera film. Okay, that would be great, I
mean for me, but also it would be good for
a young audience. That would if you're trying to get
people who would not otherwise be watching the Grand Finals
to watch something like that would work.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
It'd be quite funny if you had one hundred thousand
K pop fans in d MCG watching the NFL. Is
that is that the opportunity to be fair.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I went to a concert at Marvel for the group
twice last year or the year before, so you know
you can do pretty well. It would be interesting how
the ticketing would work, because like, if you think it's
hard to get a ticket, then are crazy with ticketing.
They'll do they'll do anything for them, So probably wouldn't work.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
But you know who's actual who would you recommenda? Should be? No?

Speaker 2 (41:04):
No, no, I mean Seraphim they might recommend it.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Sorry he didn't.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I need to say Kim Chewan in the middle of
the MCG and everyone will finally get what I'm talking about. Right,
that's all I'm saying. Well, we'll finish Faro fast with you.
Kel Wilkie is right to feel disillusioned with Saint Kilda's
trade plans as has been reported, especially if Leclear is
going to be on the same money as him next year.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Right in Fawken's wheelhouse.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
This is in my hitting zone. He's absolutely right to
be disillusioned. This is the most fair question that's been
asked this segment than one hundred percent. I mean, this
is the issue with four players when the monetary figure
of players in proposed contracts gets leaked or made public.
Rather like I think if you're a Wilkie who I
believe come runner up in their best and fairest back

(41:48):
to back year, last one of last year. Sorry sorry
Australian in twenty three.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, like heck, i'd call him a reliable defender, wouldn't you, Jack, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I had the start of that.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
At a minimum, I call him in all Australian defenderive have
be a pen reflection, but that's okay.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
I think he's a very good defender. But regardless as
to whether or not what we think, like you have,
like you had these achievements your name, you have Luckily, who,
if I had to guess, has played twenty one AFL
games two twenty good dry okay, good played twenty two
AFL games, and you're getting off with the same amount
of money. Sure has a very very big seiling. I'm
not questioning Lek here, But Wilkie's done all the hard work.

(42:25):
I believe he's a rookie pick or he was a
mature age pick, like just yeah, yeah. The career that
he's had has been he's had to forge every bit
of the way and he's had to work up to
a wage of roughly seven hundred and fifty grand what's
been reported. And you see someone just come in and
swoop while you're paying Tom mcurny one point seven million dollars,
you're paying the sire literally twice the wage. Is what
will is? You know, I think he has every right

(42:48):
to be frustrated. And I saw there was mumblings again
about win Hager potentially leaving and you know, not being happy,
like there are reports of him about to sign in
February that still hasn't happened. I know he wants to
play more time on ballards. We've discussed in this podcast,
like I don't know what's happening at Marabin, but for
this many rumblings and to be coming from senior and
you know, I'm sure this will be brought back to
an extent if will he comes out and speak publicly

(43:08):
or Sam Culten wants to have their say. I know
Ross lines on Footy classified tonight with Tom Morris and
the crew, But for them to be rumblings, I think
absolutely within their rights. And I think part of it
is to do with salaries being leaked and made public.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
They are trying to do some bold things. They're trying
to get people to accept their money. And I think
the argument from Sekula's perspective is it costs more to
get players out of clubs than to keep them. So
Lekalier to get him to leave the Giants, where he
clearly likes playing and probably a better team, but you're
not playing AFL games, You've got to pay a bit
extra money. And there's also the fact that contracts are
not primarily about talent. They're about leverage that Lekalie is

(43:46):
going to get this contract because of the leverage he
has as a desirable asset who is available on the market.
And same with TDK. He's going to get paid well
into the millions because of his availability on the market.
And there aren't so many players, so you have to
keep that into would count. But you could see how
you would get frustrated if you're at the Saints and
they're doing some interesting things.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yes, it's not just Wilkie either, Like there are other
people who are questioning the well.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Rod Marshall would understandably be annoyed about losing his first
rock position and considering his future geelong being linked.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
To him having been an incredibly reliable servant, as Wilker
has Marshall, Yeah, you have every right to be sourcing
your options and it's not the it's not what Saints
fans want to hear, but that's what happens when you
make as many rumbling through as many offers of Saint Kilda.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Well is the larger storyline about how bold Sankulary is
in terms of going about trying to get more staff
actor players on its list. So like now they're sort
of you say they've been drawing criticism because they're maybe
leaving if you're high and dry with a few hundred
ground on the table, But ultimately they're trying to make upgrades.
So do we think that TDK is big enough upgrade

(44:52):
from someone like roand Marshall?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Not too?

Speaker 3 (44:56):
I don't think so. He's three years younger than what
Marshall is. Marshall's been incredibly reliant servant. TDK is a
bloody good player, but he's not I don't think he's
worth the cultural superstar potential TDK yes, one hundred right,
So do you think marsh I get that he's been
a reliable servant, but there's Marshall of the same potential
as TDK going forward. I think Marshall is a current

(45:16):
star so star, Yes, I think he's I think he's
a star.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
So the upgrade from a star to a potential superstar
is great. I'm not saying that obviously that serves the
club a very good purpose. The cultural divide that you
can create by making a move as big as that.
I don't think he's worth the intangible risk, right effect.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
What's the alternative?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I personally wouldn't be going out to t DK if
I think, I think it's a personel thing, like you know,
I think they're within their rightsgraph the lecal Leer like
he could be a piece of the puzzle. But I'm saying,
if you're saying cured it right now, you have a
star ruckman who is in his absolute prime, how about
looking for I mean Casi said than done, But I
think a key Ford would be someone that I'd be
looking at for. Maybe they should take them over the edge, yeah,

(45:58):
or to take them into finals. Contention, I don't think
you can look at premiership teams just yet when you're
recruiting players for them now to build you up. I
don't think you're looking at premiership potential. But yeah, i'd
be looking at players maybe outside of TDK to take
you forward.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
If they weren't going for Tom to Conning. Would that
not solve all their problems because they would be able
to pay Nas even more if they need to. Though
I don't think it's a money thing at.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
This point, but you can get a genuine star.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
And then well he would be against available genuinely.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Is that not why they're going for the Conning Because
he's the one who's available. That's just what the market
is giving them.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I think at the start of the season they felt
like they had to make a statement, which they were
entirely within their rights to do. Having the figure of
one point seven million dollars leak has just I think
has had a pretty big effect on sant Kulda. It's
hamstrung them a little bit. I mean, I don't see it. Well,
were they're going to retract that offer, like, you know,
that's not great for optics And yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
I mean, I've tried for a long time to pry
genuine stars out of ravel clubs because they have identified
and understand for a genuine amount of time now that
they need to improve their list with star players who
are going to get them over over.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
They are one of five teams this decade that has
won at least ten games every year and they's still
a chance to continue that. It's them Port Brisbane, the
Dogs in Geelong. Every other team has had at least
one dip. They have always been consistent, but consistently average.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
During that hellish sort of area that we talk about
in like the NBA and NFL where teams just can't
get a rut of just being consistently mediocre.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
The only thing that's made at work is because they've
drafted really well with getting Wan Miller.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
They have great young talent, and yeah, I don't know,
i'd be solving everything between the four balls first before
you start throwing one point seven million dollars a year players.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Are you going backwards if you get to Conning and
lose Wookie and Marshall in the process, Yeah, which which
is a genuine possibility.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Can someone like Aliyah grow into a genuine superstar Interceptay
as a defender? Yes, right alongside Dakoning, who is who
we think is better than Marshall. Because like they're trying
to figure out a ways to get their list to
a point where they can contend if they don't go
after Daconing hypothetically like do they have enough as he's

(48:12):
as currently constructed to then go again and contend next year.
I think that's I think that's really why they've had
to offer this much to Dacony.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's just with Ruck
being a specialist position I would have been. I think
there are bigger issues up for I mean, Paul Max
King hasn't been on the field for hardly the last
two or three years.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Who's who's gettible in terms of so the.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Carlton situation at the moment is where they're probably looking
like if they were a club that if there was
going to be a club that could cry out one
of Kerno. I know if his lifestyle thing was to
head further up north, but if Makai was on the
trade table, he would be the one that I would
be going after. I think he's a very good player.
That serves him. He's in their prime right now. Ah yes,
but he hasn't had continuing on the field this year
for reasons outside of football.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Common medallist. Yeah, pretty good play, Yeah good chat. Let's
move on to this.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
On the Fox Footy podcast, it's time to open up
the mail bag. Have a question for the panel. Tweetus.
Every Monday morning at Fox Footy.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
The mail bag awaits. We have plenty of questions in there.
Thank you to everyone that was allowed.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
We didn't have mailbag last week.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Well that's true, people have plenty of You know that
you have passion for the listeners, which is what we love.
So listeners like Corey who asks which bottom eight team
can you see jumping into the top eight next year
a reminder of who they are. Saint Kilda, Port Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon, Richmond,
North West Coast. That's the bottom eight. Can any of

(49:34):
them play finals next year? Under acknowledging that Adelaide wasteenth
last year and at least two teams jump in every year,
although I think everyone's going to be picking whoever finishes
ninth and then the Swan's.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yes, I think Port Adelaide unsurprisingly, as Jack Scoff's in
his microphone. The reason I say that is even if
they don't get in the sire they still have an
unbelievably good core of young play I've said this many.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
A time, genuinely, maybe the best five young players in
the comp as a core collectively.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Building around them, And yeah, I'm not there. I don't
think they'll be flag contenders, but I think there is
a world where they play finals. I think they're the
most likely. But that's not to say that I think
it will happen.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
I can. I can accept that what changes between this
season and next, like apart from the coach, but is
the philosophy that different that with the list as currently constructed,
A few minor changes, they're suddenly going to jump big time.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
No, no, not just to play finals. I think they
can play finals. I mean they're injury, you.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Know, go from eight wins to fourteen.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, I think they can run.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
This year has been awful and they were top two
last year like you can. You can. They didn't change
a huge amount between year to year this time and
fell off. Big changes just happened sometimes.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Yeah, all I'm saying is I think it's definitely possible.
I think they're the most likely of that group to
jump up. I mean I have a little bit of
concerns like I think a lot of people have about
their defense. Last few years, literally has been their best
player and he's, you know, only getting old. I think
you might be in this thirties. Most players are older, yes, correct, No,
not many going a younger Benjamin Button. But yeah, I
don't know. I think they probably need a little bit
more personnel in their defensive half, but they use the

(51:08):
use of the club is as good as any other
club in terms of superstar power.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
It's fair.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Sydney is the obvious obvious one to me.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
But they're not the bottom eight, so they do not
answer the question.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Don'd be ridiculous, Todd, So what was it again?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Botom eight? They tenth very you are technically wrong the
best kind of yes, Yes, Melbourne, Melbourne.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Okay, Melbourne or Cartlon I think give if you make
a few tweaks drain the list, like Carlton, you need
some better kickers, some better runners, and I think.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
They're clearly going to do quite a bit this off seas.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Yeah, so like even like Nick Newman, right, really good kicker,
a really good user. I know people talk about jackos Smith,
but he's like a really great endurance sort of guy.
So that's something's gonna be a long term player, Sam Welsh.
Again endurance hasn't played a lot of footy. And if
you make a few tweaks with the list, I think
you can see a jump there and you put a
bit more help around Voss, I guess. And you're talking
about like a good football boss, like maybe Ken or

(52:01):
Danny Day. I could see that. I could see Melbourne
with the right coach, they'd have to make a few
tough calls with the list, you know, looking in the
the tracker all of us sort of direction.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Because that does that send them backwards to go forwards effectively.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
If they do that, it depends what they're bringing in,
just because like these guys are big names, but they
probably haven't been in terms of impact, really been good.
Like I mean, Track has had some good games, but
I think Oliver you knows, he's sort of know what
he is at this point. So if you make some
changes there, I could see a bit of a jump.

(52:37):
But those are the two teams that I look at.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Keep me in mind they are seven and fourteen, but
percentage of ninety five basically the same as Sydney. You know,
they're a pretty good team. They've had some bad luck,
a few close losses. Even on the weekend of the
Bulldogs was a close loss.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Sorry, Three quick questions. One just one would answer here
Melbourne Carton that they both more likely to do that
than Port. Thank the eight. Do you have Port sitting three?
You do? You're smirking. Next question, do Carlton need to
good answer? Trade Mackay, Kerno or Walsh back when you

(53:09):
talk about list tweaks, Well, we talked about it, Harry.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
I think Harry could use a fresh start, Like I
don't think he needs to be traded, but.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
It's not happening. Is it like it? It comes up?

Speaker 4 (53:20):
So it's very hard. It's very difficult with these guys.
That's why really, Oh we didn't get traded.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yes. Third question was Max, who do you think rise
is if anyone?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I agree that Port has the upside with the young talent.
I think that Melbourne is the best team of the
bottom mate right now yep. And I think Carlton should
be contending next year and one of these years they
won't have a million injuries.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
Remind us on average how many teams how many changes
the rispout year?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
It's about two point eight or two point nine. I
think we're on track.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
It's Port Melbourne end come.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
I think we're on track for four, Adelaide Frio, Gold Coast. No,
we're on track for three? Is it not? Anyway, We're
in track for a few. So the pattern continues. There
will always be changes. As I said, it will be
whoever finishes ninth in Sydney will be the popular picks.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
But we'll see great mail back.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Question Simon asks this seems to shape as a very
matchup dependent final series. Who is each team's most dreaded
finals matchup? The teams that your team does not want
to face. Obviously GWS and the Bulldogs comes to mind.
I think they've lost what nine of ten in that series,
including the two this year. What are the teams? Do
teams not want to face?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
If I was any I wouldn't want to play Adelaide
right now because of defensive games.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
But is that more about their quality than about specific matchups?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Oh? Sorry, specific matchups? Well, I mean adela wouldn'tant to
play Collingwood if history tells us anything could.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Get that out of the way with the hodoo this weekend,
of course that it would be nice.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, correct, good timing Ashley.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Other than that, well, actually, to be honest, I mean,
like you talk about matchups historically, but I think genuinely
the actual team versus team, like what we're about to
see on Saturday, is that really bodes poorly for Collingwood.
I think the way that they looked behind the ball
we mistay had to go back, you know, assuming Howe's not,
They're still Frampton looked out of place and you're coming

(55:07):
up against Adelaide's three hundred monster. I think that it
could be a world but it really doesn't end well
for Collingwood I think right now in terms of that's
probably who I wouldn't want to play from Collingwood.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
They should be built to beat them.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Basically. Yes, I assume Jack that Howe will be out
with the concusion protocols this weekend. I think it's good
assumption you made.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Okay, mate, all right, Geelong would not want to face
Brisbane or GWS. They've lost to them two times both
this year. G W, that's a great call, so that's
a problem for them. If the Lions or Giants, they
could be a semi final as well, which would be scary,
a scary straight sets exit potentiality there. There's a few, definitely,
I think for the most part, you know, anyone can
beat anyone. But no fair question, Simon, and we'll finish

(55:46):
off with Mitch who asks is Nakos? That's Nick Dacos.
For all those playing at home at risk of losing
the brown load to Jordan Dawson or Noah Anderson with
this current form slump, is he still your favorite? Has
not had a great sort of little patch here. He's
not going to be polling votes late. It does make
for a good count.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Hopefully it's going to make for a very.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Good count if he's not too far.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
It my only concern now with Anderson because I think
he's been the most consistent best player across the season,
if that makes sense raw no rout Well.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I think Joey said on first crack that they could
finish one too. He did say that would be quite remarkable,
it would.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
I think Row might steal too many votes off him,
To be honest, I don't think there's anyone stealing votes
off Dakos and I don't think there's enough Crows player
stealing votes off Dawson. But I don't think I think
Dawson has slumped the second half of this year. He
still had played very well, but not to Brown though
winning level Jack.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
I don't think Dawson will be up there because of
the reasons you just state. I don't think it could
be Decos Anderson one two. I agree that Row is
the likeliest guy to take a lot of votes off him.
I guess it depends how much you sort of value
the in and understuff versus the outside prominence, which is Anderson.
Naz is someone else who when sant Kilda have played well,

(57:02):
there won't be too many taking votes off him. I
think he could finish pretty high up like smoking.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Then Madam and I were speaking about this, no huge better,
but did put a bonus bet on if you're going
to sarre at two hundred and fifty one dollars a
few weeks back?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I think it's unlikely because of the lack of wins.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
I think so too, but the valet he's into twenty
one dollars now, so mean he was more Matte Campbell
were responsible or just don't or just don't.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
If this was a normal brand though year where the
winner is going to poll thirty, I think there is
a genuine chance that someone pips Takos. I think that
just what we've seen from last year especially is that
he's going to poll like thirty six by round eighteen,
yeah and be fine. So if this is twenty twenty two,
the Gold Coast thing brings me back to when Melbourne
had like their big three of Petraca, Gorne and Oliver

(57:46):
or pauling votes and getting off each other like yes
Oliver in twenty twenty two, Oliver Pole's twenty five, Petraka
twenty four and Crips wins with twenty nine. Like if
you know, Melbourn's a lot worse if they don't have
one of those players. But that's why one of them
didn't win it. As they're taking votes of each other,
it will be very of the thing.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
You said you don't think Dawson's up, There was actually
some reference to one too, Or you don't think you'll
poll in the top five or so.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
No, it's more more to genuinely contend to win. I
don't think he's probably been like as prominent in enough games,
is it not?

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Well?

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Forget sometimes that the Brown isn't about who feels like
the best player, it's just who polls the most votes.
Like I don't know if Ollie Wyans is ever the
best player in the comp but he won a Brown
Low and.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Winning a lot of games, winning a lot of games
for that period, and a lot.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Of games because they've won so many times. I mean
you have those games where you know, Isaac Crankin I
might still votes.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Phil Thorpe's the other one.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
I think, who could case of that because they won
so many games.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah, could be wrong, interesting times. We'll see if I
don't think he's polling forty five this year at least,
which was yeah, not that was brought it was so stupid. Well,
we'll finish off with just the tips. You've got to
wrap this up, so apologies for no Kevin Kevin Cheney fans.
Nothing this week.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Did you get twice tickets?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yesty Boy asked no, that they're doing their concert while
I'm in Japan at the time. Okay, so I won't
be able to go to see twice. I have seen
them three times, I think, so I'm good. Thank you
for asking though. Zesti Boy asked, well, you asked his question. Well,
he didn't ask it to me, because he did ventually
he did. Twice would be on my other pick, but

(59:16):
you know they're doing some concert at the moment. It's relevant. Okay,
pop tips. No Thursday night footy this week because of
the afl W season opener carl and Collingwood Icon Park.
The league opener, if you will, from the first season,
should be good fun, so get down to that. It's
always a good time to good a good sport to attend.
I find great vibes at some of those games, and

(59:37):
the Swanse for W games are apparently really good fun
at Henson Park.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Crows games at Nordover also.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Very good, excellent and they're always a good team which helps. Yes,
always the same teams contending. I'm looking forward to some
equalization hitting the that comp but equalization wise, well, talk
about that Essendon on a Friday night, What more do
you want? They open us up against some Kilda at
Marvel Stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Sant Kilda. But like I don't know, a bit of
a slug I reckon it could be.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
No, it's a bold call. It would be a very
big slugger. I agree saying, but this is probably Essendon's
most winnable primetime game that they've had.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
They have been okay the last two weeks, like forty
four point loss, but okay against Gelong challenge Sydney at
the SCG.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, I know this. You know, no one wants injuries,
and they've obviously had a heck of a lot of
them this season. But I think it has been a
great chance for Esten to have a look at a
really wide scope of players and a bit of an
advantage is to who they wanted their list next year.
I mean, Lie mcmind has been an awesome so Lie
McMartin has been awesome find for them this year and
they wouldn't have had that if it wasn't for for injuries.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
The Gay New done some good things he has yea,
he played very well on Putdown. Yeah, so that's yeah.
It's all you can hope for is positives going forward
when you're in a season like this, reasonably bigger game,
and I believe that if you're watching on Channel five
or four, we will be switching over to this game
once it begins. Freemantle hosting Brisbane at Opta Stadium Friday
night footy winner plays finals, loser in trouble. Can't catch

(01:01:05):
that one on Channel seven unless you're in those states. Well, yes, sir,
unless you're in one of those two states. Oh, Freo,
because I said that I definite would tip them, and
Jack's hollis at one point, right, and we know who
you're to be there in Leslie.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Yes, Brisbane, Yeah, locked in, lock it in, Max.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I don't like tipping Freo in this, but I think
I will lean them because of the home ground advantage.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
The Brisbane should be better unless you bounce back. Gold
Coast GWS another massive game at People First Stadium, twelve
thirty five pm start, which is I like, actually Sons
and Giants both needing a win to play finals. Giants
could be in trouble if they lose this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Yeah, I think I'm going Gold Coast injuries at Giants
that the Giants have kind of not a great time,
so I would sip in gold Coast.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
I think I lean that way too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Should have won the game at a Giants stadium as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Earlier this year. Giants absolutely revenge game, Yes, very much so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Also around that time, Carlton v Port Adelaide at Marvel,
a battle of who will be better next year?

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Yes, yes, who's already starting their rise to the top
eight from the bottom eight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It's right, um, go on, yeah Carlton, Oh, Carlton, I
think that's reasonable. Port played Marvel.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Well, they do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
They've got the best Marvel history in the last five years.
It's ridiculous twelve and two or something.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Oh yeah, and I think that beat them real earlier
in the year. I reckon they did, Yes, yes, and
I reckon that's where that streaks would have just clipped
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
That sounds that sounds tipping Carton. Yeah, when you're mocking
him for tipping Carlton just like thirty seven. He wanted
me to say Port yeah, oh, because you're a biased
Adelaide and Port fan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Yeah, don't figure that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Out goes for Port Adelaide. That's who he supports.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Oh, certain reasons, bad decision this year, but journalist, we
don't support teams.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Hawthorne versus I loved along Hawthorne versus Melbourne at the
SCG Hawks not quite winning in but effectively winning in.
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I just love to see Melbourn play with the same
style last week. Yeah, I think I think Hawthorne.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Ye Adelaide. The Collingwood Saturday Night's main event. It's not
on NBC, it's on Fox Footy that's a wrestling.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Jokes main event the actual channel on Fox.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Well, well, I mean I don't know if we show
Saturday Night's main event on that because they're not pay
per views, so it doesn't quite work anymore. We don't
show that company anymore. M Please.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
I think Crows will win. I'll be tipping Collingwood.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
As I had done the entire couple of I mean,
it's like me with Geelong, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Reckon I have sacrifice about eight tips this year just
by Oh, you'd be winning, you'd be winning if you
just yeah, I'm a.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Hero, Okay, interesting, No, he would never Jack Collingwood. Collingwood.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Yeah, going rogue as well with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
All the discussion we just had about the tall Forwards
exploiting their well that that's a.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Different discussion to where to my current tipping plot for last.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
All right, you are you are? You are third last.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Thanks reminding me, But yeah, that's that is part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Well, I'm all I'm saying is the usual panel of
people who are on this podcast sort of right at
the top, and you guys dragging is all down. That's
all I'm saying. North Melbourne Richmond at Ninja Stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Or Jack, this has your DNA written to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Pipping Crows, but the Way Stadium they don't. It's not
a company of Ninja's. It's like smoothie makers and yeah,
yeah crap like that battle for the bottom two, battle
for escaping the bottom two. North Melbourne trying to not
finish in the bottom two for the first time all decade.
If they win this they should be fine. It would

(01:04:42):
be nice to win, Jack, your boys.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
To be in North Melbourne.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah, do you actually do think Richmon will win?

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Well, they're definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Not the question.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Richmond have had a pretty patchy history tassi against North
like we've had. Richmond have had some really poor losses.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Okay, the historical losses often find I'm looking at the
Tasmani games, like sometimes it's the first time they played
there in eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Years and it means nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Historical losses.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Yeah, Like the Dogs have an awesome record up on
the at TiO Stadium in Darwin, but I think they've
played there like twice in the last fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
They hosted games there over two a.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Few games out there in recently.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
On the team, I think Tasmini wants to make Richmond
their team.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Yeah, I wouldn't want that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
No, No, I don't want to sell any home games.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I didn't realize that Richmond like makes the most money
of any club because of their bloody gyms and swimming
pools thing whatever it's called, the leisure Shane Dune than
u CEO is very prominent that it's better than Pokey's
at least, yes it is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
I think I'll tip North.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Okay, that's very fair, thanks, so weil like Sydney v.
Geelong at the SCG Sunday afternoon, bit of a banana
peeal game perhaps for the Cats.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
If they lose this game, the Cats are they out
the top four?

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
No, because Adelaide or Collingwood will lose.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Well, well if Collywood wins, they could fall out temporarily.
But I think Gelong still makes top four as long
as they beat Richmond in the final.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
That was my greater question. Yes, obviously with that percentage.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Ah, yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Oh, Sydney, they've been the only team that have beaten
the top nine teams trip they've beten too since the
buy forty in two. I think is it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Something like that? Sounds correct? Two and two forty two
and two even worse, although we had some close ones
of the weekend, so you never know. Gelong doesn't play
Sydney particularly well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
No, s CG probably doesn't help. Yeah, I genuine think
going Swan's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
So lost by five goals last year and the draw
be backing your boys in I will tip them a
very bad draw in twenty twenty three. From memory fifty
four all Geelong b.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Sydney last year there was an unreal swing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Yeah, there were five guys up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
At all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Yeah, and zero point. Was Max ever confident in the No,
we confirmed that live one of the rare games Max
watches of the Cats.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I wasn't confident. I wasn't confident fourth quarter of the
Grand Final in twenty two. All right, that's just how
I am.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
And you'll be watching again this weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Oh God to his absolute sagree.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Why can't they just always plan on Saturday? For me?
That'd be nice. We finish off with, well, the Bulldogs
can't lose this one. Surely, not against West Coast at Marvel.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
State Lart twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
As they did when West Coast were a two win
team with a percentage of fifty and still beat the
Bulldogs and ruined their season. Surely not again.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Percentage to the thorn march for him?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
No, not really no, No West Coast of Lockton for
the spoon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Tip matteh can in margin? That's more fun. Oh can
they whack on my twelve goals?

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Already? Go on overtime? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
They should, they should like they thump bad teams generally,
we didn't last week.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
But Bulldogs yeah, Bulldocks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Margin mate.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
All right, I'm going one and it's closer to that
going over, so I win. Fantastic. All right, thanks everyone
for listening this week, Jack, and well thank you for
being on the show. Great hosting job, Masks hopefully Smith.
Hopefully Ben is back by next week I can extricate
him from helf from the judicial system.

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Where's the gable divert.

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That's right, you'll have the wig on and everything. It'll
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