Fox Footy Podcast: Big Lynch ban looms; Run Home explained

Max Laughton, Ben Waterworth and Jack Jovanovski review Round 16 and preview Round 17 of the 2025 AFL season on the Fox Footy Podcast, with breakdowns of Tom Lynch's Tribunal appearance and the looming Run Home, plus Fair or Farce, the Mailbag, Sheeds' Wisdom and much more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The big Footy issues from every angle, dissected by a
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you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide
to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
In the words of in Sync, Bye Bye Byes, the
five week by Fiesta is over, with nine game rounds
returning this weekend. It means we say a big hello
and welcome to run Home season. And while the race
for eighth seems down to only nine, there are so
many possibilities that could play out across those nine spots

(00:35):
between now and round twenty four and a half. Considering
that's when gold Cos and Estenim will play, we'll have
the full run Home state of play, dissect all the
big issues in faar or fast, take your questions in
the mailbag, deep dive into the wisdom of Kevin Sheedy,
and bring you all the latest expert tips and cups.
In a rather large edition of the Fox Footy Podcast.
Ben Wadeweth with you, as is Foxfooty dot com dot

(00:57):
a U Chief Run Home correspondent Max Lord, and Hello Mack.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Certainly Ben Hello, I was more of a five man myself,
five with the A Star on the eye a number
or yeah, I think they were one of my first concerts.
As a matter of fact, over in s think I
would have thought you would have been a Backstreet Boys
man him, them and Robbie Williams. Robbie of course.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Also joining us as a man who decided to spend
his Sunday off watching Richmond get dumped in the thump
rather in the cold well. Jack Jovinovski, Hello.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Jack, Hello, guys. Dumped is also adequate, and it would
be two straight sundays. I did that if you Counterdogs
lost last week, but yes, very glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
What was the better performance out of the lost to
the Bulldogs or the lost to the Adelaide Crows.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
I don't know if that deserves an answer.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Asking which animal droppings are best?

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Is it not? Pretty much? Pretty much?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
I like being at the g more though, so yeah,
I'll take that.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Fling into the stereotype of Richmond fans.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I think we had kind of all expected this from
a Richmond perspective, though we saw some really good signs
in the first six seven weeks. They look young and tired, though, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
They looked very tired going to the by have liked
to have seen a little bit more vibrancy coming out
of the BI haven't seen that, but I'm also very
glad to see I We'll be glad to see Samuelula
back in action and then hopefully taj On.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
There was a lot of energy from one player in particular,
probably too much energy on to do Thomas that has
sent him to the tribunal.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Tomlin shedding of the tribunal as we record in about
three hours time. He's looking at a four or five week.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
We think the AFL is likely to ask for five
because they could have given four weeks in the match
review and chose not to and said the director referral instead,
So it sounds like five maybe more. It actually shouldn't
be a contentious one was talking about it was either before.
These aren't the ones that go on for hours and
hours because everyone agrees he did something wrong. It's just
a matter of the sanction. It's like the it's the
ones where was this a bump or not? That's when

(02:46):
we get the long here yea, So it should be
simple enough.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, Richmond, you think will somewhat fall on their sword.
It's sort of what penalty they're sort of seeking.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, you can throw yourself at the mercy and try
and beak the leniency and that often works, minimizing the
sanction a bit. Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if that
was the case here.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Adam Use said post game that he didn't see the
incident involving Tom Lynch.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
They never do, no, They rarely ever see that.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
They don't have the boxes. A lot of people don't
know this. The coach's boxes are blacked out and they
don't have any screens. They just sit there in silence
and hope for the best and go.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Buy Sound and Champion Dharps.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
There's a braille readout of the game which they use.
It's very high tech.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
He did say though, that Tom Lynch might be getting
a bit of a hard time from a being held
and might not be getting some love from the umpires
and free kicks. Objectively, Jack, do you think the coach
has a point?

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah, Look, it's hard for me to be objective in
this exact instance, it was being held. I do think
over the course of numerous years Lynchy is probably I
probably should have caught him. He's probably been a little
bit hard done by in marking contests, and you could
see obviously in a few incidents leading up to the

(04:03):
incident that he was clearly getting frustrated, increasingly frustrated, and
he got to boiling point and the main act as
they called it last night, was the most impact he
had in the contest all day and it wasn't even
in the contest, So it was appointing.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
What was it, zero touches and five free kicks against
at halftime? It's not an ideal.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Not would the super Coach score be right down on
negative the floor was the answer from an overall perspective.
Across round sixteen, tipping basically went to plan yep, most
got six and seven, I think across certainly the Fox
Footy competition. So what did that mean for the Run
Home when it made its twenty twenty five debut on
Sunday night and was unleashed to the public to rapturous

(04:43):
applause and web traffic.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Hopefully, despite debuting so late in the season, it can
still earn a Rising Star domination, unlike Joe Frazer last year.
What it means is that GWS has projected ninth.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Because that was one of my questions down here, hearing
the Giants are going to finish ninth.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I do well. I think a lot of that is
that I think they are the least impressive team of
the top nine and have been, as I've said on
this podcast, somewhat fortunate with their goalkicking in a couple
of times. Look, they've done very very well to win
those last two games against Brisbane and Gold Coast. The
finals race, we're all saying it's a race in nines
nine contenders. If they'd lost those games, as I certainly tipped,
we would have an eighteen race for eight. So it's

(05:19):
a good thing for the complexity of the finals race
that they did get up in both of those games.
There's certainly a chance They've got quite a few easy
ish games like this week against West Coast where they
absolutely should win. So they should get to thirteen wins.
All of these teams should get to thirteen wins. That's
what makes this so intriguing. It's whether, for the first
time in history, you need fourteen to play finals. We
had thirteen missed out last year with Collingwood to twelve

(05:41):
wins and two draws, but usually no one's ever missed
out on fourteen wins. That's entirely possible. This year if
everything goes to plan. But what it usually happens is
that one team stuffed things up. Yeah, Freo was top
four for ages the back half last year and then
lost their last four and missed the eight entirely. So
these things happen, we don't know who. That's what makes
do win the run home so prone to mistakes. It's

(06:02):
compared to what the actual ladder ends up being. But
I think you can look at teams that clearly have
an easier drawer and things they have a harder draw
and say who's more likely to make it? And that's
why I think the Giants are the least likely to
make it?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Right now, Okay, who are the Giants competing with? Competing
with in inverted commas in terms of finishing outside the
top eight? Who else is vulnerable? Was the bottom end
of that top.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Eight, So definitely Frio. So we have this interesting fixture
this week where it's top nine bottom nine in every game. Right,
Freemantle is actually an underdog though as they play at
Sydney at the SCG. Theoretically we'll see how that goes. Yes,
if they lose that game and all the other favorites win,
I will be projecting Freo just to miss the eight.
That's how close the projections are right now. It's one

(06:45):
point four wins roughly between first between third and ninth.
So results will change these the order every week, so
don't yell at me when it changes. It's just because
the results happened. So Frio is definitely at risk because
they've got quite a few hard games and one of
the hard draws, and Hawthorne as well. Pretty touch.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Hawthorne got a hard draw and I know our colleague
Josh Barnes at the Herald Sun had Hawthorne missing out.
Hawthorne do interestingly though, Jack one of the teams now
in the premiership window. Well, they sort of have been
around the mark for a lot of the year, but
they are. Yeah, they've seem to have got a little

(07:22):
bit of rhythm back in their game across the past
couple of weeks, albeit it probably haven't been against mighty
red hot opposition.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I think the Ford line is going to be the
most intriguing thing to watch throughout the rest of the
home and away season. Like I think Klsha Deer and
Mitch Lewis both two goals on the weekend. Luke Bruce
kicked three in the reserves as well for box Hill,
and you've got Gunsen and Choll who combined for twelve
and Max Ramson, who's most vulnerable. He's still kicked three
granted against North Melbourne in a belting, But I think

(07:52):
the way that the forward line shapes up going to
the finals is going to be very interesting. And if
they can get a healthy Mitch Lewis, maybe partnering with
Choll and Gunston potentially I think would make even more
dynamic going into the finals.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
That was the first time on Saturday against North they
looked like last year's team. This year to me, like
they had some impressive wins there werefore. I know, they
beat the Giants down in Tazzi and everyone was like, oh,
they're a contender, but then they've fallen off a little
bit and then they thrashed North by a million points.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
That's what they were doing, which you put a lot
of emphasis on, a lot of emphatis on, but you
do give credit to beating up on the bottom team.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
And it means a lot because of their percentage, because
their percentage was down there with Farroh and Giants around
one hundred and ten. Now it's one hundred and eighteen,
so that's a genuine advantage. If we're going to have
a tie on thirteen or fourteen wins, that could be
the difference between a home final and away elimination final
or missing entirely, so that really matters. The injuries are
a problem. Will Day already missing and now Josh Weddle

(08:52):
with a back concern that could rule him out for
the season. They're hopeful that it comes back before the
end of the season, so that's very unfortunate for them.
I'm just looking at the Hawks ficture. There no so easy, obvious,
definite wins, like, yeah, they should beat Port in Lonzeston,
they should beat some Kilda this week. They should beat
Carton of the G, they should beat Melbourne at the G.
But none of those are default tips. You'll you'll have
a question mark over those games.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
So there's no games against the bottom three teams for
the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
It's those and then they have games against contenders Frero away,
Adelaide away, Brisbane away calling it at the G. So
they get the job done in those four games. They
should win agast the bottom nine. Then the Hawks will
have fourteen wins pretty good percentage. They should play finals,
but they're at risk because of that, and there are
teams above them, like Geelong in particular and even Adelaide
that just have easier games that they absolutely should win

(09:37):
and it would be crazy if they lost. And that
matters this time of the year.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Just on Adelaide. They obviously beat up on Jax Tigers
on the weekend, but they now sit inside the top four,
nicely inside the top four because of their percentage, they
have the best percentage in the competition. They're very well
entrenched in the premiership window. They almost look when you
look graphically, when you look at.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
It statistically, certainly they.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Look the most entrenched in the premiership window right now.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Second, I think they're second for points four and against.
The interesting thing they did on the couch on Monday
night they looked at the premiership window, which is if
your top six to four points scored and points against.
Eighteen of the last twenty premiers have been top six
for both twenty of twenty have been top six top
six four defense. The interesting thing was that Adelaide was
not in the premiership window against top nine teams, against
the absolute best, and I think that's as a caveat

(10:25):
on that is that they've played two really weird, low
scoring games against fellow contenders, the Giants and the Hawks
both like forty to thirty bizarre scorelines. That's got their
stats out of whack. Otherwise, they're playing really good foot.
We still do need to see more good wins against contenders,
like you've got the Brisbane win from a few weeks ago.
But otherwise I think they've got some chances. Bulldogs at Marvel,
coming up, gold Coast at home, Collingwood in the second

(10:50):
last game of the season, and Hawthorne Adelaide Oval, So
thore's a big chances for the Crows to prove their
bona fides and if they if they get to fourteen
wins to their one hundred percent playing finals because they
present age fifteen to sixteen, they're a top four share
and they will not be scared if they draw Collingwood
in the first week of Fine.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
No, they don't. We talked about that a couple of
weeks ago. If colin had finished first and Adelaide finished fourth,
it almost suggests that Adelaide might have the best chance
of causing a qualifying final upset of the top four
teams is it? Because this is the thing right with
the run home at the moment, with nine teams being contention,
the Giants, Hawks and Dockers might be vulnerable missing the ape,

(11:25):
but they're also technically right in the top four mix
at the same time. So how's the top four race looking?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, percentage is going to play a huge factor and
that's where the Dogs come into it. And the Dogs
have a pretty nice draw as well. So beating the
Swans that felt like a game that last year they
would have dropped maybe in previous years certainly, but they
got over the line, won a close one that they
actually lost on expected score. Did they unlike the Bulldogs
to win those sorts of games. But they've got North
this week. They've still got Essendon to come. West Coast

(11:55):
Freeman has to come to Marvel, GWS comes to Marvel,
Adelaide comes to Marvel. As I said, a lot of
very winnable games with the Dogs. We know, if anything,
they can beat bad teams, and they've got some bad
teams left. So you do that, you should get enough
wins and bank them. They're a good chance to jump
into the top four, which would be of all things,
the first time under Luke Beverage that they've been Top four.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Would be and we'll give them a good chance are
going as deep as they can in September. Of those
Collingwood aside from Brisbane down to the Giants, Jack, is
there one team have concerns about in terms of heading
into the finals? And is there one team that's maybe
a bit of a sleeper that you can see going
maybe a little bit deeper into September compared to what

(12:39):
most think at the moment.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
So I think we haven't seen the Giants play consistently
at their best like we have seen in maybe years past,
and I think if they can be consistently great, and
they have been pretty good in their last couple of wins,
I think they've put the potential to still make a
top four charge. I'd be most concerned of any of
those teams with the Suns, just based on history and

(13:04):
also well like they do have the game in hand.
But yeah, at the business end of the season, you
do have those concerns, just given their inability to close
it out in previous years. And also Freemantle I think
haven't been overly convincing in some of their wins. Obviously
they it took quite a bit to go overline against
Saint Kilda, so I think those two would be the
ones I'd be most concerned about. I can't see a

(13:25):
world where the Dogs miss. I think Hawthorne are just
so well coached Adelaide like, I think Adelaide could lose
a few of those really tough games, but I still
see them making it. So I think it's Sons and
Free will.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Be in the teams. I'd be more concerned about it.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
A little question mark on Brisbane, like the illusion of
them being second on the lader makes them sound more
safe than they are.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
The draws handy here for them, well, that's what the
hardest draw as in the draw that they had against
North Melbourn.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Absolutely it makes up for their poor percentage. The confusion
of language, yes, thanks English. So a lot of really
tough games Port Dogs, Swans and Hawks all come to
the Gabba, which is not a fortress anymore as we know.
Carlton away, Gold Coast away, Sydney away, Collin modaway rather
Freo away. In the second last week. Those two games
at the end Frio and Hawthorne could be decisive for

(14:17):
top four, could be decisive for top eight if the
Lions slip up. So because I'm not overly convinced, I
think Lions fans weren't thrilled with me suggesting that the
elements of the winover Gelong. We're fortunate, as I talked
about last week with the goalkicking that the Cats failed
to know how to do. But look, they have been
a good team so far. They've banked a lot of wins.
They haven't been incredible. They haven't been that team that

(14:37):
we saw in the finals last year. Yet I'm interested
to see whether they can turn into that team. They
certainly have the talent, but if they stumble on these
tough games, they could fall further than we think.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
And as we look towards that Round twenty four and
a half game as well, the attitude for both teams,
I think hitting into that game is fascinating because Essdon
during the bye was all the big story because they
had three players go down with soft tissue injuries just
curse compared to and it'd be fascinating this to see
the severity of those injuries. We should find out that

(15:11):
in the coming hours. And then you've got Gold Coast, who,
if history is anything to go by, aren't the most
convincing team at this time of the year. They could
seriously be. They could be playing to keep their finals
hopes alive depending on how things go, or playing for
a home final. The attitude, the intangibles to suppose of

(15:31):
that game is going to be fascinating. Miss how it
plays it.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
I think it was exactly twelve months ago from this
weekend that Damian Hardwick said after a lost to North
that that club has to grow the f up.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yes, that was that press conference.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
So this is the time to do it. They've got
a tough month other than the Essington game this week
which they really should win, Collingwood, Adelaide, Brisbane, So there's
a very real possibility. They're ten and eight heading into
the biggest five weeks in the club's history. Their last
three games Giants at home could be a mini elimination final.
The loser of that missus and then if they need

(16:03):
to beat both Port and Essendon that in round twenty four,
that will be very interesting. And that's probably what the
AFL's best scenario was right now, because Essiden is certainly
not going to make that into a finals appearance game
for this es give it.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
A nice little primetime exposure I think for the back
half of the season. Fixture came out recently.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's an interesting optimism from them.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now that's the look at the top nine in particular,
Fair or Fast today has a strong bottom.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Nine Few and Now on the Fox Footy podcast, another
strong edition of Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast Max Bottom.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Brad Lloyd's airport press conference on Friday was a glimpse
into the uncertainty and pressure many at Carlton are facing
right now.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Fair or Fast take me through, take the listeners through
what was going on in that.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Specifically, Brad Lloyd, the general manager of football for Carlton,
was asked if he could guarantee whether he and Michael
Voss could be there next year and basically avoided the question.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Okay, he didn't go for the answer that I think
was Anthony Sebold, the Manly coach, had a similar sort
of press conference and said, oh, look we're having it tough,
but it could be worse in Israel and Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I didn't quite go that, which is not wrong.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
I guess, but it's interesting comment. That doesn't help, does it.
I'm still not Carlton just doesn't feel carltony enough to
do something crazy right now.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
So they announced on Monday that Graham right, he's got
a lot of airtime reasons did him even saying a word,
But he's officially taken over from Brian Cook mid August
August fifteen.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Ye, I think it is so like just before round
twenty four.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
And they're going to jack. What was the president's line yesterday? Calm, calm, rational,
measured decisions. Those are the words that they were using,
which is uncarlton Like.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I think these are the antonyms if you look up
Carlton and the dictionary actually, So that's good to know
that they've learned those words and they're trying and put
them into effect. I would be I would certainly be
shocked if Michael Voss left the job before the end
of this season. If there was a review after in
August September, and it's decided that they need to look
for a new way forward, that's not crazy because missing

(18:11):
the finals right now would be pretty bad with given
the list they've got.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
How much do we read into him starting earlier than
his initial papers It was supposed to be around October,
so August fifteen, do you read a lot into that
or was this so that that just the nature.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Of and does it not make sense if he's going
to be the main decision maker at the club to
look over the off season and things like that, if
you're starting in October, you're coming in like mid trade period,
which makes it a bit awkward or even behind the
trade period. That could be the reason why.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
I think it makes sense, and I think it makes
sense that they would use these remaining weeks with right
coming in to assess Voss and the food department in
full before making, as they would say, a calculated decision.
I think it's probably the right thing to do, and
they put into but you know, I mean, if you've

(19:02):
said you've.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Seen a week's worth of Harold sunheadlines in the future,
I fear.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
If Carlton were one of those teams with at ten
and five compared to sitting eleventh and being six and nine,
I think you'll I think the Brian Cook would be
officially handing over in October moment. Yeah, I think that's
fair to say. Okay, interesting, So from a playing perspective, Jack,
or from a playing list perspective, the only untouchable Blue

(19:28):
this off season from a trade perspective, is a player
who hasn't played a game Jagger Smith fair or fast?

Speaker 5 (19:35):
No, I think that's I think that's fast. I wouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
I wouldn't be even leaving the door open to suggestions
that Patrick Crips could be gettable at the trade table,
not even.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
If a godfather offer came down from West Coast. Three
first round picks.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
That's pretty it's interesting. I don't think when he's coming down, No,
that makes no sense with them.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Don't do that West Coast.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Yeah, I think you.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Can make the argument that just about every other player
than the captain. But I feel like he's been through
it all and had and has and as he's publicly said,
he's been through this sort of public sort of scrutiny
a couple of times now, whether it's been to the
Brendan Bolton or David Tigan now and now VOSSI. So

(20:24):
I wouldn't be completely opposed to taking calls on you know,
your Charlie Kurno's or your probably Harry Hary McKay first
and foremost. But yeah, I mean interesting to Jordan Yne
Jago Smith. But and I tend to agree that I
don't think he's like just because he's been out the
entire year. I don't think if he if he wasn't
that he'd be the answer to to their issues.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
He'd be one of the answers.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
He could be a solution. But there are more than
there's more than one problem.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think he of all the draft prospects last year,
he was the player I thought most ready made to
play in opening round round one.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
And that's why a team in their premishire position traded
up for him. Yeah, right, but they knew he would
be an outside runner that they needed for that group
because they.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Have some flaws.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I think the risk with this was Jordan Lewis's suggestion
on on the Couch. By the way, we're not just
floating this out of a mid air. The risk would
be trading Crips would be the equivalent of probably not
as big because we're only a minnow in the sporting landscape.
But it's the Luca don Chic trail because what that
did from a basketball perspective, maybe if you squint and

(21:28):
you really believe in the GM, you could make the case.
From a hearts and minds perspective, you destroy a fan
base because they love Patrick Cripps Blues fans understandably so,
and that would ruin them even no matter what picks
they got back, no matter if those picks turn into stars.
Eventually those players would have the pressure of the world
upon them if they were the ones who were replacing
Patrick Cripps.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
I think the only difference to note there is that
Luca is an ascending player.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
I think, trust me, it's much worse.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Part of the reason I think maybe Jordy floated it
was because Crips is not ascending, right, Like, I think
we've seen the best of Crips previously. Well, I don't
think he's got more to give than what he's given, Yes,
so I can see from that perspective.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
So yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
I think there's no doubt that Grahame Right's going to
come in and be aggressive and be willing to consider,
you know, brave, ambitious trade and list calls.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
And I think that's what the Blues require.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
If you're playing AFL twenty five and you're playing franchise
mode or whatever that game has, you'd consider the.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Trade you haven't played you still haven't played it.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
No, I didn't get a code, and disappointing that.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Max the scg's calculated gamble has backfired and it's time
to wait for a time to say goodbye to Andrea concerts.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Fair or fast, just in time for Mother's Day. The
new album. I'm sure it's on sale now in every
kmart near you, every sanity.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
JV.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
That's way to GMV Borders. Maybe do they still CDs
who remembers Borders? No one, They've stuff this went up
a bit, haven't they. Yes, CG in the AF I
understand that growing grass is not as easy as it
may sound. But to get the SG in that sort
of position months or why, months past that concert, which
theoretically did a lot of damage, It's pretty crazy, isn't it.

(23:23):
And immediately ruling out any idea of moving the game
is weird when you haven't had time to inspect it yet.
You know, the Swans were pretty adamant on Saturday that
know the game will not be moved. We will be
playing it at our home ground, which I guess I
can understand from their perspective because they want homeground advantage.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
But they were very tight lipped immediately after the match
around the state of the surface, and I think they've obviously.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Their medium boss was tweeting about saying no. Jadwick was
tweeting saying that we're playing the game there, So that's interesting.
So look that I don't think they're going to move
the game to Giants Stadi, to NG or certainly not
to Home Bush. No, because that stadium would not be
ready and sucks, so they couldn't even play there if

(24:06):
they wanted to.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
What I find interesting about this is we haven't so
this concert that we keep referring back to is was
on April three. Yes, I know they've at least played
Adelaide at the SCG since then, but this wasn't something
that was on the agenda really in this time since
up until the Bulldogs game.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I think did Jared say though that the Carlton game
it looked a bit iffy then, but it had gotten worse.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Well, and there were questions raised by Port players after
the Port game in round six.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yep, so has it get worse? So the SCG curator
was on three W afterwards and talked about the species.
Didn't blame it all on the weather, but they've had
a lot of rain in recent times. They just haven't
had a chance.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
To not a great week of weather coming up. No,
some sort of radars have looked brilli weather bomb whatever
the Bureau of Meteorology bombus some thing they were calling it.
I don't know what that even means. It's very online.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yes, it was a lot of it was down to
the large amount of rain that Sydney had had in
recent times and that hadn't given them the chance to
repair the turf properly or regrow the turf.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Okay, they've had a lot of good games there this year,
just looking at the scg's record for the Swans have
played seven games there and six of them in decided
by twenty points or less. So it's not like it's
ruining the quality of football. The Bullocks game was great.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
It was like a game of the round.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Probably it sucked that everyone kept falling over, but it
made the game fun.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, it did.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
That's a plus.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Speaking of players falling over, you should have seen Jared
Heally around the office on Saturday after watching the Hawthorne
North Melbourne game. He could not believe the amount of players.
He couldn't imagine the players falling over. Jack sin Kilda
has made the right call to prioritize Nasaiah Wang name
Millerer over Miles Berben fair or fast as broken by

(25:59):
Fox Footy dot Com us Will Fork.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's the right call. So if
this is what is happening, and and they're just putting
a lot of their eggs into the Nassiah basket, I
think that's probably the best basket of them all to
put the eggs into. I think he's he's the egg basket. Yeah,
I don't know, I don't know really.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Softness, free range, Well that's the eggs. That doesn't describe
the woven nicely.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Yeah, woman, fuzzy sort of operations, emotions. Uh yeah, Like
I think Nasaiah is the player that you want to
prioritize all all. I think long term, Miles Bergmann could
be the best player when you're talking about him, Nassiah,

(26:48):
T d K, potentially Lekala. I think Bergmann his his
ability to play as an inside midfielders, as uncovered this
season is is a suit betrayed. I don't know if
he's going to be like a real game breaker type midfielder,
but clearly he's shown that he can play that position
and he's going to be a really strong player. But

(27:09):
I think as of right now, if you have to
prioritize you know, money, you know for one of them.
I think it's still the sireh. So I think it's
probably the right call.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
And it also just makes sense to try and keep
your own player first instead of the bother of having
to trade for Bergman or whatever it may.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
And Asia is one of the sort of rare A
grade commodities Honest and Kilda list for a long time
and as clearly likes playing under ross Line. He's doing
great things under ross line, clearly won a lot of
pundits over with his ability to break lines either with
his with his run and carry or he's kicking.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
So are you asking a question from the Bergman perspective?
We should we discussed that.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Now, what do you think? Do you think Bergman wouldn't
be the right quarter of stay of Port Adelaide until
free agent?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
I think this is the move of a man who
is coming back to Victoria in two years time, because
otherwise you would have taken the long term deal. The
only exception would be if you are I mean, he's
taking this short term deal and betting on himself to
be an even better player in two years time when
he reaches free agency and go from what's probably a
million dollars a year over the next couple of years
to one point four one point five whatever it may be.

(28:14):
He's believing in himself to do that. But you probably
if you really truly staying at Port Adelaide, you just
signed the deal now and you lock in eight nine
million and that's your life set.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
But is he is he going? Is he going to
free agency though, to ensure that he's well remunerated as
you mentioned just then not necessarily. If he might get
trying it to free agency and stay at Port and
try and ensure that he gets well remunerated by Port Adelaide.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Well that's possible. But I think I read this as
I'm coming home, but not yet.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Okay, do you have the same thoughts then with Matt Rowe,
who just signed a two year deal to stay at
Gold Coast and Agency.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I think it's about the same thing. I think, certainly
with Gold Coast more than Port Adelaide. You look at
that list and go, all right, we're going to be
good for a while, like staying at Port, You're not
staying at Port right now for success. So they look
like a mid table team for a couple of years
because they're not going to be bad, but they're not
going to be great. Whereas Gold Coast the arrow is
clearly pointing up. But for real it makes sense to
try and win a flag.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Do you think Bergman's been sold a short term vision
by Josh Carr that he can play in the midfield
alongside Horn, Francis and Butters because Rosie's worked so well
off half back and they're technically speaking, I would say
they're still in that window where you've got the players,
you've got the talent to win. Now you give it
two more years and we're only seeing the surf like

(29:30):
he's just I think Bergman is scratching his surface of
what he can be as a pure ball getter, and
he's going to naturally increase his value in the next
two years anyway. And if he's been told by Carr
and co. That he's got that rain in the midfield
with Horn Francis and with Butters, then that's why he's

(29:51):
been persuaded in the last few weeks to have a
change of heart, because it sounds like, you know, a
few weeks ago that he was probably more likely to
go than stay, even on a short term.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
He's playing more midfield time right now, and that's convinced
him perhaps.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah, but I also think he's played well enough that
it warrants a look at him in that role longer term.
I think he's the best AFL player as a midfielder then,
as you know, like an more intercepting back half player,
even though he's still very good playing that role anyway.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah, por just just does seem to find those blokes.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
And he's a different size as well. Horn Francis is
a ball, right, but Berger's got that little bit more
height same compared to Butters and Rosies. Obviously, his kicking
is being well utilized on the outside of the moment.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
This is the thing with Port. If they do keep
all of these guys and then maybe they add one more,
because they still wouldn't mind wae Ganna Miller themselves, that
would be nice. They would have arguably the best young
five players in the comps as like a quintete. Yeah,
that's a promising thing to build off.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Speaking of good young players, Max oh Joel Frasier is
looming as one of the all time great AFL draft
bargains or.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Fast Well, he's the best player from the last two drafts,
right now.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Is he not pick forty five according to the numbers.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yes, according to the AFL player ratings this year, Joel
Fraser as well written about in AFL talking Points by
Jack He's polming incredibly well for a player that I
think what was the view of him in his draft
year that he had potential but just hadn't shown.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh, his talent was. His talent was certainly there. There
was a game where he kicked six from twenty six disposals.
Earlier on in the year, he had a really good
start to his Coach Talent League campaign with the Rebels
Greater Western Victoria and then had a big Country National
Championships where he was subpar according to a lot of recruiters,

(31:42):
and then didn't kick on in the back half of
the year. And it probably the narrative around Joel was
more lack of competitiveness, which was which was interesting as
well because he had the versatility to play different positions.
He played for kick six played in a I think
when he kicked six and twenty six he played in
a wing and went forward. Players also had times as

(32:03):
a rebound. I clearly had some midfield traits as well,
but just the lack of he speaks to recruiters, and
this is especially especially with key forwards. If you can't compete,
it's a massive turnoff for recruiters. So Joel's obviously not
a key forward, but the lack of competitives, I think
in the modern game is a big turnoff for recruiters.
They could I think he was always going to get drafted,

(32:25):
but I don't think that was a massive surprise to
anyone on Draft night and recruiters that he slipped to
pick forty five.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Is that one of those traits where recruiters look at
it and go, all right, I can't aspire for you
to be great if I don't see that right now?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah? When and Adam Simpson said on SCN on Saturday
that competitiveness, Yeah, competitives is hard to teach.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
You just have that basically within you.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, it's often an innate thing, but to actually teach
it at AFL level is remarkable. But the thing is
that his competitiveness since he's come into the Western Bulldog
setup has never been questioned. So I think full hats
off here to the Dogs development coaches and team and
Luke Beveridge that they've been able to get him to
this point so quickly in his AFL journey, and it

(33:12):
was interesting that his excellent gaming in Sydney in the
weekend came on the same night where Riley Sanders, who's
had his doubters and was taken the same draft nearly
forty picks earlier, had his best game as well. Lockie
Bramble also had one of his best games. Mack Kennedy
was sort of held throughout the night a little bit,
but still kicked two from fifteen, so the Dog showed

(33:33):
they had some good solid depth there when the likes
of Bontipelly was okay, Libber was okay, Richards was well
held by James Jordan. So I think yea, the Dogs
have done a terrific job to develop the depth of
their list to get them to this position that they're
in now.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Which is why they could afford to have last year's
trade period where they let McCrae and Daniel on those
guys leave, because they knew that they had enough talent
coming through that the midfield, which was already bursting at
the seams, had easy refills.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Imagine if Bally Smith was still there as well.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Ridiculous It was a fair trade, It was don't dispute.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
That interesting point in touch on as well been with
the competitiveness of Frasier. Do you think it's you touch
on the coaching point. Do you think part of the
competitive piece is the fact that they started him as
a defender maybe to you know, hone him that craft
because as you note, he had the goal sense and
if he's going to be a midfielder at AFL level
long term, like we know that teams coaches they love

(34:29):
these midfielders who are jewel threats so they can go
forward into the scoreboard. Right, so we've already seen it
can do that clearly, But maybe wasn't learning that defensive
side of the game first to be able to then
instill the trustings coaching his coaches that he could then
play in the midfield and more of a Ford for I.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Think it's a fair point from it from a different perspective,
they've put Harry North Melbourne put Harry She's on and
then Cobby mkirche to half back to start their careers.
Even though mccirch was definitely a midfielder and She's it
was more a Ford midfielder, a Ford pinch hit midfielder.
During their respective drafts and Fino Sullivan has sort of

(35:06):
started on a wing cross half forward as well. So yeah,
I think the Dogs made it a wise carter starting
down back, but he also had the talent to play
dan back and you see his ability to take territory
and take ground. I think they've done a terrific development job.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
So if you're doing a redraft of twenty twenty three
right now, first off, it's way too early, but let's
do it anyway. Adelaide fans are screaming at their phones
that Dan Kurtin just had his best game, so he'd
be right up there.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
He would be still nowhere near one or two for mine.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
That's fair. Harley Reid picked one obviously, Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Then I'm just to list out the top five. Colby mckircher,
Jed Walter, Zane Durzmer, Nick Watson, and then you look
at kayleb Wins had a good first year at Melbourne,
Ethan Reid, Nate Caddy has shown signs, Connor Oro Sullivan
showing signs. It's a good top ten, but Frager has
to be in.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
He has to be right up there. Speaking of Nick Watson,
Jack Nick Watson will want North Melbourne for a very
long time. Fair or fast?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Is he a ghost?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Of drafts has gone wrong?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
And why would he haunt the Ruse Because the Ruse
opted for as we just mentioned, Colby mccircher and then
Zane Durzmer with their two picks and then overlooked Nick Watson,
who was then taken with the next selection by Hawthorne.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
I think this is fair.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
So I like, I really like what Cobby mkirche can become.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
I think he's.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
At the moment he's best as a half back flanker,
like a rebounding provides run, can break lines with his kicking,
and he's been moved back into that role in the
last few weeks and I think it's reasonably clear that's
where he plays his best foot at the moment, you
just don't feel I guess that he's currently got the
body body to play as an inside midfielder Desma. I

(37:00):
guess from what we've seen so far, he seems like
a longer term prospect.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I think, and was always seen as a longer term prospect.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Right So the frustration right now might be that Nick
Watson has just come on and he's already such a
threatening player in the forward half and on the weekend
we see that like the man can do it at
center bounce right, So like, is there a more damaging
player in the game than someone who can who can
you know, impact time and time again on the scoreboard,
but also you know, pinch it as in midfielder, like

(37:27):
similar to what causey pickets becoming from Melbourne. So I
think it's every time. And right now, I think you'd
be foolish to say that Watson isn't the best of
those three players.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
So yeah, I think I think that's fair right now.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, do you think there was an element of for
a start, he also plays well against North that he's
averaging fourteen and three in his two.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Games the only play.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Okay, all right, don't bag him that much. Come on, guys,
it's his best team he's playing against. He's not doing
that against West Coast every week, is he?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
That's probably true, does play West Coast every week.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
But he's played them also to us. But is there
an element of in his draft year, this guy's one
hundred and seventy centimeters that was so yeah, how good
can he be?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Well? I think one I remember one club recruiter saying
to me, if my coach said we're going to be
using a top five pick to on a one hundred
and seventy centimeter player, I don't know how well that
would be received.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
And that was clearly wasn't a Hawthorne Alistair Clarkson, one
of the older coaches in the game, perhaps has some
established views on what types of players he wants to recruit,
and I think there.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Could be a factorate And if you do remember as well,
I think clark O met with Dan Curtin in the
days before the draft.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Because we know they've needed tools in the last few drafts.
That would have made sense. Yeah, So they're definitely not
going to look for a small in that scenario, aren't they?

Speaker 4 (38:48):
So, Ben, Ben, if you're red drafting and your North Melbourne,
you're still taking Dursam at four with Watson on the
bo So I was I did I have knowing he's
a longer term? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I think so. I think they could. It was strategic
that they took the two of them because mckirchhe was
the player scene who could play pretty much straight away
and have an impact, and that's basically how it's played
outen He's been a little bit all over the place
in terms of where he's played and position wise, but
he's been reasonably I think he could say he's been
reasonably consistent, and certainly I think he's back to where

(39:21):
he is best for his position right now in defense,
and he's been getting thirty plus and it's not a
it's not a cheap thirty plus, I think. At the
same time, so I think he was the more bankable
prospect in terms of making a more immediate impact, which
means that if you've got another pick, you then can
take the lot you can then can take a Zane Dursmart.
There was also the same draft where they had another

(39:43):
three picks later in the first round.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Taylor Goad, Will Dawson and Riley Harder.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
So so and again different kinds of Taylor Goad is
very much a long term proposition, a ruck, really raw
ruck who was really not expected to play after game,
and you know, for at least two three years, Dawson
probably came on to look a little quicker than a
lot of people.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
He was a bolter.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
And Hardeman did get some games last year and he
is getting some games now. He's sort of that rebounding
defender so they got very much different positional types and
they selected strategically, so I can understand what North Melbourne did.
I think Jack makes a good point. Watson was always
going to come in, I think, and make it a
pretty immediate impact, even though he's one hundred and seventy centimeters.
He had all the traits to make an early impact.

(40:31):
But I think Deurzma had a higher ceiling and his
best in his draft year was pretty gobsmacking. Watson's was too,
but Dersma had that little bit more height, athleticism, versatility
marking above his head. So I can understand why North
Melbourne went the way that they did.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
We still convinced that Dursma's best spot on the field
this forward.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't think he I
don't think he'd be a full time midfielder. Happy to
be corrected, but my hunch he's going to be a
Ford midfielder.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
He is a bit shorter than Dan Kurtin, and Dan
Kurtin obviously has taken some time to I guess, be
trolled in different spots on the ground and I guess
find his niche a little bit, and you know, there's
still it's still not certain where he's going to play
his best footy, but clearly he's going to be a
good player wherever he plays it. So I think I
think it's interesting where Dursmi will end up playing his

(41:26):
best footing. And he obviously hasn't had much of a
like He's only played six games this year and three
of beans suck, So I'm.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Not getting a huge run at things, is he not?

Speaker 5 (41:36):
At the moment?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
No, it'd be fascinating to see how how that all
pans out. That's the end of a very meaty dishes
of fair or Fast. It's now time to open up
all our fan mail on the Fox Foody podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
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question for the panel tweet us every Monday morning at
Fox Footy.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Well, that makes it sound like people only say positive things.
And I read out the positive question mark ones yes,
and there are also other ones, but thank you to everyone.
It's tweeted in at Fox Footy. It's Monday morning. There's
a tweet and then you respond to it, and then
I look through it and I pick some of them
to read out, like this one from Wade from high school.
Wade with dirks not mine. And not Wade Dirks and

(42:15):
I suspect damn but possibly trade Jacksman trade target. Wade
Dirkson can't wait to hear what's going on with him
in a trade Whisper's coming your way soon, Wade says,
Why does it feel like the AFL keeps pushing to
change the Grand Final time slot even though the vast
majority don't want it changed?

Speaker 5 (42:32):
Is that true?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, Well, the they make an announcement every year saying
that it is it is on at two thirty this
year is clearly it's part of the discussion with the
AFL AFO commission every year.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yes, that's when it gets announced. Is when the commission
ticks it off.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Is it true that no one wants it changed?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
No? No.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
You speak to Jerry Whaley, for instance, and he is
he can't believe that it's not at a twilight spot
at the moment. Other people in the media have said
it's ridiculous that it's not on a twilight spot in
the AFL is not making the most of the opportunity
to get as many eyeballs as possible on the Grand Final.
I can't speak about this objectively because I really liked
the early finished time on Grand Final day.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
No good work wise. The Geelong Collingwood qualifying final in
twenty twenty two, oh yes, helped sort of flipped me
a bit to the Grand Final and the twilight slid.
I definitely don't want a night game. It's too late.
You don't get to celebrated afterwards. That that was what
we had in twenty twenty and that's stunk for many reasons.
That's stunk, but the result I enjoyed it. Yeah, well

(43:32):
that says a lot about you.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Too long.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
The grandfatherly didn't happen. The twilight time slot fixes a
few things from it. And the reason it keeps me
up every year is because the broadcaster, the one that
shows the game, yes, once it later in.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
The day, understand and understandably so because they'll get more viewers,
But he charged more for the ads because you think
about it from a doubly way perspective, the game's on
at twelve thirty in the afternoon, like twelve thirty at
lunch time, So.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Dom Shed kicked that goal at what like just before
three pm? Yes, that's just weird.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah it is, and you and you know it's It's
why I think a lot of wa base fans really
don't like it when Freemantle has a they they've got
a one ten game this weekend, so they're playing at
eleven ten in the morning, which is and it's bad for.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
The team, too bad for their body clocks and things
like that. It's just very weird. So that's why it
keeps coming up. It's why we'll keep coming up because
the broadcasters who pay all the money to make the
game go around are going to it's.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Clearly a year by year. It's now a the point
where it's a year by year decision.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
It's silly that it's year by year. But also Andrew
Dillon when he came in, has said that he likes
that he's a day man. He's a yes, a day walker.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Taking out of taking out of the conversation, now finished
times of work? What time would we like, like do
we want it to stay? Or do would you like
a latter time?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I genuinely don't care. I would be totally fine if
they went to flect four pm.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, four four four thirty, four thirty would be fine.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
But I'm also completely understanding the argument of let's just
do it how it's always worked. It's nice, so it
goes into the news and then switch over to the
other channel to watch the celebrations, that little tradition that
makes me feel warm and fuzzy thinking about that. I
don't know why I vote Twilight, which one New Moon, or.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Even if it was three twenty. I think even three
twenty gives it a different feel, like I'm more luckly, But.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Three twenty you're not going to do because then it
doesn't finish at six on the dot because of the
longer half time, so seven doesn't want that. They got
to think of it that well.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
You know that the games that were scheduled for three
twenty for the rest of the year and now starting
at three.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Fifteen, yes, because games are going too long A because
they need to fix that, because games are going quarters
the only thirty five minutes and it's stupid. I think
it was like that Sydney Melbourne game. It went to
like six fifteen, yes something crazy news readers everywhere angrily
reading their papers. Speaking of the fixture, Yoshi asks, I've
got this egg, what do I do with it? And

(45:56):
then he says, why does the AFL struggle so much
with simple fixturing? The buyers are a mess? Opening round
as a joke. And now we have a seven twenty
game and an eight twenty game on Friday night.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
We do that is interesting, isn't it. Well, it's very
Perth friendly. The eight twenty Australian East and standard.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Time, yes, start time, that's realistically. You've had eight ten
for Thursday night games, I want to say.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
And Saturday nights yea Saturday night so this is.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
This works for Perth and it's a West Coast WS
game at eight twenty and then Collingwood Carleton is seven
to twenty. Yes on the East coast. Awkward.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
The weird one is in a couple of weeks time
when it's we've got the Giant Swans. So we've got
another Friday night doubleheader and the Giants Swan started seven
to fifty pm and we've got a game at seven
twenty in Melbourne.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Right because eight twenty would be too late to start
on the East coast. That's the folk. Well, yeah, that's
the reasoning.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
But a lot of rugby league games start at eight
pm of course, but then it's only a two hour
They finished an hour forty, that's right.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
The Broncos lose very quickly because they're ruining this.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
I don't know anything about the really cool Madge. It's
just it's just it is strange.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Ricky.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I honestly don't know the reason that the latter of
Rickey's raiders oh okay, exciting times. I honestly don't know why,
because I can't even think of a broadcasting reason why
because like from like for Fox footage perspective, like overlapping
games aren't great.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Clearly not the it's clearly not the business perspective. Sorry,
business priority preference. Sorry that we've got two games going
on at the same time, one on one channel, one
on another.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
And then you've got the overlap on Sunday as well. Yeah,
but that's because seven onces the game at three fifteen
to go into the news and then you have to
work around that, and for whatever reason, they won't want
to play one at twelve thirty you like I want
them to.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yes, it's round nineteen that I'm thinking of. It's sorry,
not round nineteen, it's round twenty of Essendon plays the
Western Bulldogs at seven twenty at Marvel and then the.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Giants telling me, yes, there's another Esterton game on a
Friday night.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, and then the Giants host the Swan's at seven
fifty at Energy.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
That's good. That's a good game.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
It's great games.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Sydney could ruin their season.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
It's a great game.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Well you can watch it all on Fox Footy thankfully.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah you can, so please do so. Yeah. Essendon play
a couple of Saturday games and a Thursday night game
against the Giants, a Friday night game against the Bulldogs,
Swans on a Saturday, Geelong on a Friday night at
gm HbA s and Kilda on a Friday night at Marble,
and then they finished with Carlson of course Gold Coast.
Interesting time, a lot of prime time.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Speaking of dyes, we should move on to her next second.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
How about the segways. Let's got let's hear what Sheets
has got to say. Now, then this is your flag
last week that this is expla of greatness had run.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Its like a moth to the flame, our very own moth.
David Zita has entered the room.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Oh David, yes, month, that's right. So you you said
you wanted to be texted when it was time for
for Sorry, Jack, I need.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
To move my MinC just just for the segment and
then you can have it back, you.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Can share it, We'll share. Let's have a look at
the cover.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
So this is Kevin Sheedy's first book that we're going
to have a reading from today, first book, Touch of Canning,
A touch of cunning, says, it says, a touch of cunning,
a touch of cunning. There is Kevin Sheedy standing standing
on Mount Alexander Road near I think near Windy Hill,
pretty sure, looking contemplative into the distance, with a Essendon

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bomber jacket over his shoulder because you're really about to
waive it. And then a black and white baby I'm sorry,
which appears to be him I would when hears he
has the angry face of a small Kiven she.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
A generic archival baby hopefully.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Image I think AI back in the mid nineties. Yes, baby,
I will be tweeting out this that cover so you
can all have a look for fantastic stuff. Tom pry Pin,
yes he has believe the other one yes, probably this prolific. Well,
you have too long conversation with Kevin Cheny and then

(50:04):
made some money some.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
Long, covered long and sort of very fluctuating around much
like me right now, Yes, speaking.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Around, I'm entering.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I'm entering puberies and reading a section of Kevin Chetyes
a touch of cunning.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
Cunning here, stop laughing? Why laugh?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
I understand Kevin said time for a touch of cunning.
I was lucky in the jobs I had as a kid.
The first job I worked was in the Pran market
and the guy next to me was chopping off chuoks heads.
I had to take the chook's bodies and roll all
the feathers off the christ Then I walked into Gaith's
bakery when hat worked, and they were bringing out hot
bread Carob. It's smelled delicious. I had to take the

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hot bread out and deliver it. I had a morning
newspaper round, had a hair all around in the afternoons.
At the time, I was ten years old. By the
time I got to unblocking sewers, there wasn't much difference
between the guts of a chook and the inside of
a sewer. The guts of a chook would probably be cleaner.
It all adds up because that's where it goes into
a sewer. You're down in the trenches there, aren't you.

(51:10):
They're saying this is what it's all about, sun and
you go home with five pounds in your pocket. You
think to yourself, gee, this is not bad. Five pounds
was a lot of money when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Is this the same book? But we were just like,
this is just the same conversation. It's just turned it
into two books.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
A really long recordings.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
So really a.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Talking about chickens.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Yeah, it's really even.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
It's a schnitz promotion.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Oh, Kevin, I don't think there's no Schnitze at the much. Well,
the Papa was well at work back then. If Jack
your thoughts please, what was your first job as a kid?
Cutting off choks heads sewers?

Speaker 6 (51:52):
Not quite as exotic, unfortunately, it's just cutting off the
eels heads, prawn's heads, prawn's heads.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Do you cut the prawn's head off? You know? You
just don't eat it.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
You pull it off. If you didn't avoid, you pull
it off with a touch of cunning. I worked at
the coffee shop. It was a drive through coffee shop
and one day I had to dress up in the
giant mascot thing, which was like a big latte, and
I stood on out the road like dancing holding.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
A So you're one of those people telling people to
go to the coffee show. You like Joker at the
start of the Joker movie, a lot of singing. Yeah no,
not the second Joker movie, the first one.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I haven't seen either of them.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Did it help? Did you get any commission?

Speaker 3 (52:30):
I didn't help the Joker, but it was fun because
because you're like, you're acting weird and crazy, but no
one came over you are, so no one knows until
you tell everyone on a podcast.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
Right, that's unbelievable. Well there you go. H cool?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Was that worth coming in for?

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Well?

Speaker 6 (52:44):
I needed to get changed anyway, so not Sorry, that
sounds weird. I had to put a suit on a
good question, David, Yes, Jack, how is it do you
if I just.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Use the microphone that it's yours?

Speaker 5 (52:57):
People?

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Sorry, just quickly.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
People have complained. I've noticed that I come in here
and we just say words with a certain inflection and we.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
Think it's funny.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
And I've noticed that we did.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
I've noticed since.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
Beening in here four minutes ago, that is exactly what
we do. Because you said, you said Joker, you said
too soon? I went no back, I'm sorry to the listeners. Listener,
what are you going to say?

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Jack?

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Sorry? Jack?

Speaker 4 (53:21):
I was just going to ask you, David, how is
it that you can make time for your own new podcast,
but not for the Fox Woody podcast.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
That's not accurate.

Speaker 6 (53:31):
That's not part of my I'm not working at that
time of the day. Drew's on the road that morning,
so I've got some free time to record a podcast
early in the morning. I would happily do this podcast
at a decent at a more friendly hour, but because
of the way the logistically it works, it's not able
to be recorded before two pm. I'm at two pm.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
I'm mate.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
I'm waiting for Collingwood footage from Channel ten.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
I need it.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
It's coming in now. And that's why you're up here
talking to us about well, just quickly, I'm going to
go get get changed.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I was about to go say, come on Channel ten. Duncan, McKenzie, mccaglift.
He's long gone.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
He's in the tennis spheres now, Duncan. I think he's
recording music as well. He's living in New York or California.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
He was like a US correspondent for Higher for a while.
He still is, Oh, okay, there you go.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
He's got a family.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
I don't know how he's keeping it like.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
He's got a lot going on.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Duncan and he's got a fun name to say he does. Indeed,
he had a fun name to say. Is they Get
a Kick podcast. It's featuring Ashley soud Like you could
barely say, because I nearly said get a grip, which
is the tennis.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
One all right as well?

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Get a grip at the moment.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
So we did get a very quick get a grip
because we did a reaction to Andre ba Celli timely
Andre Bacelly's new song what with Yannick Sinner? Jesus, I
urge you all to watch the YouTube video of this
incredibly disturbing video.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
Clay.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I know we have some Yannicks to the fans who
listen to the podcast, so they will be very interested,
right my.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
Sister life, Oh right, okay, so fan, well maybe there
are others anyway, all the very best.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I need to get up and times.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Yes that's David Zeita from the Getter Grip on Your
Balls podcast.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yes that's a David doing unncessary vibrado here on the podcast.
It's now time for the tips and cups to finish
off what has been a very meaty edition. We're back
to nine games.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
A bit flat like I am when he walks into
the room.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs on a Thursday. Nice
Lucky Young Cup up for grabs here.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
I don't want to take away your chance to do
all the cups, Ben, But are there any games? Will
we see an upset this round of top nine b
bottom nine?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Oh, Sydney in Fremantle.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
So Sydney you are the favorites in that game because
it's at home. So we'll go through them and read out.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
The car Okay, Carton and Collingwood, Chris Bryant Cup of course,
West Coast and the Giants for the Zach Langdon Cup. Yeah,
a big fitness guru now, Zach Langdon Eston and Gold
Coast for the Jacob Townsend.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
You don't mean in the who's the Brisbane midfielder who's
gotten very reheese matheson that? Not in the big fitness
He's more like a Zach is more sort of pte. Okay,
it's rather not so injectable.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Your words, not mine. Geelong v Richmond for the Adam
Hauler Hand Cup, Brisbane v Port Adelaide, Sam Skinner Cup grabs,
sin Kilda and Hawthorne, Zach Dawson Cup. It's probably easy
low hanging for it though, Sittney in Freemantle, Troy Cook
Cup and Adelaide and Melbourne John Mason Cup Secuda.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Hawthorne is the getting show and Makers and Aris show
and Maker confused for me, don't mind that so not
the same.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
So can you see any upsets there, Jack across the weekend? Umm?

Speaker 4 (56:38):
No, no, actually, if you're talking about no, no, definitely not.
That's yeah, Essen and gold Coast. I could see the Bombers.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
I think I could.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Yeah, if they weren't so horribly injured.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I was Ridley agreed.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
Coming back is is pretty important.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Okay. Gold Coast have had a tear le game at
Marvel this year before.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Have they speeds and the last year thanks to Mac Andrew.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yes, well they should be better than that.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
Sam Durams are good in.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
For yes, okay chances I would say Hawthorne Saint Kilda
because Sint Kilda just have this weird thing where every
sort of third game they're pretty damn good.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Their last two games have been solid against Collingwood and
then Freemantling and beating Melbourne was good. And beating Melbourne
so that was Melbourne sin Kilda almost mirroring what they
did last year, got lots of order, a sort of
splattering of poor performances early in the first half of
the season, and they've had a strong start to their

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back end.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
You know, they've won ten games every season this decade. Yes,
doesn't feel like that, but they feel like they've been
worse than that. But they're just consistently mediocre, which is,
you know.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Which is a problem in the AFL as well. Chris
Scott says, you don't want to be stuck in the
messy middle.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
But they've drafted well despite it.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
They have.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
They've drafted very well this decade I think.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
And the like, so that's overcoming their own mediocrity in
an impressive way. But I'm still tipping on the favorites
because that's the safe thing to do when you're leading
the cop.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Does that mean tipping Sydney yep, wow.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
I'll be tipping Sydney.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Will you be tipping Sydney Freemantle? I think I've had
the whatever them in the sag.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Very famous win there this time last year and Logan
Donald missed after the Siren.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Sydney did beat Frio in the West earlier this year
from memory, so yes, when Chad Warner grabbed it his
jumper as we all know, so an interesting round, someone
will lose that shouldn't. And that's why you watch the game.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
That's right, and that's why you tune into The Run
Home on a Sunday night for the most comprehensive breakdown.
I really had to end this podcast because David is
changing just to my life and he's gone topless and
we're filming this. Keep clicking back to Foxfooty dot com
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