Fox Footy Podcast: How bad are things in Brisbane?

Max Laughton, Ben Waterworth and Will Faulkner review Round 14 and preview Round 15 of the 2025 AFL season on the Fox Footy Podcast, with breakdowns of Brisbane's sudden woes and the state of the top eight, plus Fair or Farce, the Mailbag, Sheeds' Wisdom and much more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're smack bang in the middle of a five week
by period club footy, of course, but has the disrupted
nature of the fixture halted momentum? If so, what's the solution? Nonetheless,
it's looking a lot like twenty eleven, with Collingwood and
Gelong at the top of the AFL ladder emerging as
the top two seeds in the Premiership pecking order. Will

(00:36):
to dissect all that in the power rankings, the big
issues in phaar or Fast, plus a thin mailbag, the
wisdom of Kevin Sheedy, and of course the expert tips
and cups, all on the Fox Footy Podcast. Ben Watterworth
with you, as is the man coming off arguably expected scores,
biggest weekend ever Max Lorton, Hello, Maxim.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well it's always the Giants. We'll talk about that later
on twelve, Ben, what were you doing in twenty eleven?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Form memory, graduating high school, met my wife, You're graduating
graduating university sir, I was to say, given older.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Than me, that you were held back a couple of
years no concerning yes, and Will Forkner, what were you
doing in twenty eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Wi, Max, Yeah, just coming fresh out the worm. I
would have been in a year five. I reckon god
that I think twenty eleven I was in part curring
Cove Palm Cove in the final Queensland for that Grand
Final twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh on holiday. Whether you lived there.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Like some sort of migrant that matchup specifically, I believe
I was there for that.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
So in twenty eleven, Max Kate, Caate and Wills wed
the US of course eliminated as Summer in Laden.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yes when and John Sena announced it at the end
of w w E Extreme Rules. That was the rock
knew it first, and then John Cena came out and
said we have compromised him to a permanent end, and
everyone cheered and it was the most American thing ever.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
And of course Geelong played Collingwood in the Grand Final.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right, that's what we're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Could we see the same Grand Final matchup fourteen years
later for the.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Two best teams, aren't they? I think everyone agrees with that.
At the moment, I think so. I think so Collingwood
and Geelong. Collingwood had the buy.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Particularly if they get the top two spots of the
two home finals and it harder for the lines from there.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, and it seems like they should. Well, they keep
Inmond with the Lions their crap at home now, so
maybe it doesn't help them. You'd still rather not travel,
I guess, But no, Geelong has got the easiest drawing
the com from here. They're already back in second now
and they should take advantage of that. I think They've
got two games left against the top nine, one of
them is Brisbane this week and then there's a Giants game,
so it's the two teams in the top eight that

(02:32):
they've lost to they get a chance to get revenge.
And then Collingwood, as we know, we're just flying and
they're effectively two games clear everyone, three games clear of most,
so they would have to really stuff it up. And
we saw in their premiership year a couple of years
ago they had some late losses but it didn't matter.
They still finish on top and still went all the way,
so they know what to do at this end of
the season.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
So yes, the Cats have so they play each other
this weekend, Geelong and Brisbane. Then they both have the
buy in round sixteen when.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
They should have played the gold Cos Essendon game. They
should have work stuff around and around this period, but anyway.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
And then from around seventeen Geelong places Richmond at GMHBA,
the Giants at Giants Stadium, Sint Kilda, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Essendon.
Then they go to Sydney for at the seg then
Richmond again. On the couch last night, Jack Riebot looked
at those last six games and said they could win
all those games easy.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I mean the hardest one is what Sydney away. A
lot of those are at GMHBR, like the port Ones
at GMHBA, and they thrashed them in Adelaide earlier this year. Anyway,
but out.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Of potential Banada Pelle game. If the Swans get their
stars back in the.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Next well, this is the period when they have to go.
And it seems like Gordon and Paplia are a chance
of coming back. As you say so, maybe, but yeah
they unless something crazy happens, they're going to be top
two with the Pies.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
I fascinate you with a stat pleasely on with this
Geelong Brisbane. The Allions haven't beaten Geelong down and GM
HbA since round six two thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well they should have got one of those. Two of
those there was the I want to say twenty fifteen ish.
There was the one where there was like a mark
on the line in the final seconds and that was
controversial whether it was touched maybe, And then there was
the was it blitzers should have been caught holding the ball?

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yes, and paid a free kick.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Again at that same end of view of HbA.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Wasn't there one where Chris Scott had a run in
with Fagan? Was with Fagan?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, he did go for a player from memory, Yes,
he was annoyed a quarter time. Yes, a bit of
drama in those games.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
There was a lot of drama in those games. Two
and three game was back in round six, as you mentioned,
the great King Kingsley kicker for Geelong back in that day,
and that over the course with the days when Gary
Abott was just getting fifteen disposals and.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
A goal thirteen games. He'll never turn into anything.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Craig McCrae a team game high four goals.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Wow, he's still having an influence on the game today.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's right, So yes, Gelong of Brisbane I think quite
clearly top two seeds Collingwood Geelong sorry and Collingwood the
top two seeds Brisbane.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Kingy came in here a few weeks ago, all of
us were on that pot cast in and he said,
when do we start to worry about Brisbane? Do we
start to worry about Brisbane? Air fork?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
I mean it's they're still sitting third, right, like, they're
still in a very good cushy position, but the last year.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
And they have the hardest run home as compared to the.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Cats, the absolute hardest of everyone. Yeah right, Okay, look
they lost two in a row for some reason. The
North Melbourne game still rings in my mind like much
heavier than what it should, even though that was like
five six weeks ago. I think that was probably the
very first sign of a downward trajectory, which would have been.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
The should have lost that round nine I want to say.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, yeah, I think it was round nine and then
round ten. They then lost Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
They've only won two of their past six games, yes,
three losses in a drawer.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah time, and I reckon King He came in after
that Melbourne loss and said that, and then here we are.
They've won two loss two.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, they had the Hawthorne when we didveryone went oh, okay,
they're back, I guess, but they're No, they're back to
the Rod problems. They had the Ethenton game where they
struggled after court a time, and they've been just off, haven't.
But I thought they been off all year to be honest.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
See, he's one for your max. Do you see them
now top four? They still have top four credentials or
do you see them finishing there or do you see
them slipping out of that?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
So that they're definitely at risk because of the draw.
That's what you've taken into account. And when the run
home returns next Sunday week, Sunday Week exciting times, I
think eight pm after the A five twenty game, So
set your alarms off. Yes, we'll see where the lines
end up. I think they're at risk, but I have
them still third in my power rankings just because of
the respect that they deserve and six years of success.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
And who I think that maybe the more pertinent question
is who would replace them in the top four because
there's not a lot of teams in terms of from
a consistency perspective, screaming out as saying we are a
top four.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Team and that's why they're still third, is why they
held the wins they'd banked, and then the fact that
no one's tried to claim it from them. Gold Coast
have definitely fallen off with a couple of losses and
had to buy. Adelaide played Hawthorne on Friday night and
had another very very weird game and another very very
expected scory game, yes, which was strange. And it's the
Crows and the Hawks who were just behind them. I mean,

(07:01):
I had the Hawks of the flag preseason. I still
believe in them at their best. I think they're going
better and getting some wins against contenders is really really important,
so that they're going to be in the top four
fight rather than in the fight for the last spots
in the eight That matters a lot. So it's the
Hawks or the Crows for.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Me, who do you have been after Geelong and Collingwood if.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
You were doing the ben Power ranking?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I want to say the Dogs.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I want to say the Dogs, but they've been one
top eighteen.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
And I think, yeah, I think Adelaide's a big, a
big show as well. There's yeah, we could probably get
into the adelade discussion now because Matthew Nicks was fascinating
his presser post game. He was because he was asked
about the juxtaposition of the previous seven days prior. He said, oh,
there was probably a little bit of luck in our
win over Brisbane and then they kicked one goal seven

(07:57):
in the second half against Hawthorne, and the responded to
that juxtaposition posed by the reporter saying, oh, a bit
of karma do you think they do? You think it
was a bit of karma?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Backs they got half their score on expected score, like
their expected score was double what they actually something crazy
like that. So both teams kicked terribly. They just kicked
terribly er And so that's what happens in these close
games where gold kicking goes weird. You can wouldn't if
you said that they were going to be one on
one out of games against Brisbane and Hawthorne. I think
you'd probably take that. So it should be okay, like

(08:29):
you'd like to see them be more convincing, but these
things happen. It's Hawthorne have a bit of a homegame.
Advanished in lon Sestin as we know has are you
doing a fairo fast about the lon Ceston Stadium and
I will leave.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
My hold far on that. Just on the Giants. So
you wrote about them being the luckiest team in the AFL,
not necessarily based off this weekend's performance just gone, but
there is a bank of evidence in supporting that claim.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
On expected score, they're the luckiest team over the last
three years since Adam Kingsley came in, teams have scored
two hundred and fifty points odd less than they should
have based on expected score against them. Okay, so no
other team has got that sort of outlier performance in
a positive sense. I think Essendon has been unlucky about
the same amount the other ways. That's just what they Yeah,

(09:19):
you can blame it all on that bomb as fans
otherwise you're going fine, So you take that into account.
Then you take into account that for the second year
in a row they go to the Gabba, they shoot
the lights out, Brisbane does Brisbane's things.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
You're really similar, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, and then they win a game that no one
thought they really would. So we had a bit of
a discussion about this on Monday Ben because.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I look back at debating whether it's an A or
an A plus.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
This is it's content, it's important. So we were talking
about the report card, whether the Giants was that an
A plus win or an A grade win. My argument
was it was an A grade win because yes, it
was obviously very good, undermanned, you know, beating the Rand Premiere,
fantastic and all, but the underlying elements of it were
not as can vincing as the result itself. They kicked
six goals more than they should have on expected score. Specifically,

(10:05):
this was about their long range kicking from forty meters
out or further. They kicked nine goals three yep, that's
not happening every week. That's they got five extra goals
just from shooting the lights out from long range. That's
what decided the game. The Lions, yes, had some misses,
but they weren't that far off they were expected to
score anyway. This was purely about the Giants, so you
can say the Giants are just very good at kicking.
For goal, Jesse Hoaga is a fantastic kick. They've got

(10:27):
some very accurate kickers Aaron as well.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I did when Callum Brown kicked a goal on his
left foot's going their way to.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
He's kicked something like thirteen to five this year, and
like Joe Riccardi kick like thirteen two, so they've got
them in accurate goal kickers. It's still an ad of
the box performance, but you can say, if you want
to argue against me, that the Giants just kicked accurately
and that's a skill that some of their players have.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Therefore that is a credit. My thinking was probably more
where my my brain doesn't probably go to expected.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Score to say, at least where mine does always.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I went to narrative in a few directions. When I
went to narrative in terms of they had no Toby Green,
Brent Daniels was subbed out so I could be two
of their best players away from home against the reigning
premiers and they still conjure a win after a very
ordinary performance against Port Adelaide the week before. So in
terms of expectations on when you put that in, that
was one of their more impressive wins for a while.

(11:22):
And numerically they basically broke even a little bit of
difference in clearance, but basically broke even with that line's
midfield and I think rediscovered their tsunami brand that kicked
eleven goals from defensive half. We haven't seen the Giants
play out that for a long time. Then, I also
thought that's probably more an indictment on the Lions. The
only lay twenty eight tackles for the day.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
So the few good games the Giants have played this year,
they've happened to have them against the best teams. It's
the Geelong game where they also scored over one hundred
points on the road, and the Collywood game an opening
round where they blew them out by fifty points, and
again that was an expected score game. They should have
won that by like two goals. So they've saved their
best for the best, which is promising, like you'd rather
do that, But it's all the other body of evidence

(12:06):
that says that you look at the Port Adelaide game,
you can clamp down on them and if they don't
have that ball movement then nothing. So a lot of
people are jumping on the Giants again now and proclaiming
that Aaron Cabman's arrived. He had a really good game
when they played Brisbane at the Game of last year too.
I don't want to say that anyone's arrived after one
good game. Think of Joelamardi last year against the Crows.
Oh he's going to be a great key Ford of
the future, now is he? Oh? Well, he hasn't really

(12:27):
since that.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
There's a bit more promise about Capbins kicked an extra
couple of goals. He kicked then extra couple of goals.
He was commanding. He took five or six contested marks,
so he played with a lot more presents, as Brownie
likes to say on the weekend. So this has always
been a race in a couple that ninth spot. And
we think it's probably down to the Giants and Fremantle.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
And the Dogs and the Dogs probably and maybe the
Sons if they fall off or but I think it's
the top five in the latter Pies, Cats, Lions, Crows, Hawks,
those should be your top four contenders, and then Sons, Giants, Frero,
Dogs for the remaining spot.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Taking from those last four teams, Sons, Giants, Freo and Dogs,
who you're putting stock in their will. As we head
in towards the back half of the season.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
It's a really tough question. I mean, right now, the
Dogs sit a game outside the eight, but can even
that up because I've had one less game and what
the Giants have at the moment correct, It's a really
tough one.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
Ben.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
I think the Dogs do find their way in. I
know their record against top eight teams at the moment
has been pretty woeful so far this year. But they
just feel like sometimes I can't put a word to
other than you just feel like they're a team that
you should invest in and played really promising brand of foot.
But I also think similarly of Freo, they seem to
have lost their inconsistency, if that makes it for the
being more consistent.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
The difference with Frio is that they would have lost
that North game on the weekend last year.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's just that's what Justin Longviel said post game.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
So that's the change, and that's and those close wins
are the difference between them not making finals and making finals. Yeah, exactly.
And then the Giants.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, I actually think the Giants probably the ones that
finished ninth out of those those teams at the moment.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, other power rankings move There wasn't a lot of
movement in the power kings. But Carlon, that was right.
Carlton and Freemantle both went down despite victories because they
were far from.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Kindy Cart went up, did they can't went up, but
they got the graphic role potentially again. I'll let them know.
So Port with the mover because they are Ported Adelaide
up three spots. Yes, Port Adelaida to the team that
now suddenly looks like the team I think a lot
of people thought they were pre season, which is they're
going to win about ten to eleven games. They're pretty good,
but not great. They just can't beat the best more

(14:29):
consistently enough. We know what the midfield looks like when
it's at its best going forward and not having to
defend as much. And Melbourne also did Melbourne things and
kicked Paulie well.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
As we spoke about under Sunday Max. They have one
of the harder runs home. They can't be too far
behind Brisbane from what we looked at. But the next
two games and winning, I believe it's Sydney and then
sank No Sydney then Carlton.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I think. So these are the two very important ones
just for that ladder race, if they're going to have
any chance and if you believe in momentum and things
like that, they could be eight and seven having beaten Melbourne,
Carlton and Sydney, probably the three best teams outside the
top nine. So that would tell them that would say
a lot, and then you'd be like, hey, poor, maybe
there are a chance, and then they'll fall off anyway.
They've got a couple more injuries.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
I think the coaches is only a couple of weeks away,
as well a couple other players coming back from injury.
But they did something similar last year. They didn't don't
think they have this many losses at the midseason mark,
but they went on a run of like seven out
of eight games in the second half of the season
that set them up. Obviously a much more cushier drawer
in twenty twenty four than what it is in twenty
twenty five. But I think it's intriguing that they would

(15:26):
They should find themselves eight and seventh. In my opinion,
they should be Sitney at home, and I think they
was have Carlson at home.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, it's like a Friday night game or Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's certainly deterred the Kenny haters for a little bit
longer as well. Just yeah, yeah, I think I think
was Huddo loves to save the line. You can't kill Kenny. Yes,
and he be that guy. He remained steadfast on seeing
through and you have to take him to his word
as well because he's loyal and you have Yeah, he's

(15:55):
just that kind of guy and he'll coach until the
end of the season. I was thinking, though, if they
do finish it with that ten eleven wins, is that
the best result for the coaching handover.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, it's just the ordering has made it look maybe
more concerning than otherwise was. But that's again, they're gonna
they'd finished like tenth or eleventh. That's where a lot
of people had them. It's funny how we get swayed
by the vagaries of certain ladder looks and how things,
how teams have play certain results. We go crazy, but
they're gonna end up where they should be.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
What's you read in the powers we had towards the
back end, because I did think if it did fall
apart and they had that draw. We all know about
the Alistair Clarks and sam Mitchell handover and very different
circumstances as well, but that was brought forward. That was
that happened with three rounds to go in the season. Thus,
as Collinwood was trying to poke Mitchell that memory and
Jeff Kennet sort of accelerated that a little bit. Can

(16:50):
you see that potentially happening at all?

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I think Tom Morris reported that Ken would concede once
finals were out of the equation.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Now, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
If you get within three games at the end of
the season and you give the keys to car when
they're officially mathematically out of the race, I don't know.
You might just give Ken the rest of the season
and just let the group enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
You could unofficially do it where you get cargets more
and more duties during the week.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
I kind of saw that a little bit with the
very well executed John Will's fall Ben ruttenhand over where
that basically happened to what's the back end of the
twenty twenty season.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
They were doing joint presses at one point, and surely
that would be more beneficial, right, Like, you've got your
right hand man next to you, the guy who's led
for the last twelve thirteen years, basically shadowing you in
the box if anything goes wrong, Hey mate, this is
what you're doing. I can't see how that would be
detrimental to the handover. But I guess it just depends
how far into the race they go. I mean, obviously,
the longer and longer they're in it, the more in

(17:42):
clined Ken's probably going to be to take the reins
that a little bit more. But I can't see them
making the aid at the moment. But yeah, at least
it's not the diabolical ending that we thought it could be.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
At one point we got everyone got excited about Melbourne
a couple of weeks ago too, even after they played
well against Collingwood and lost to me included, they're suddenly fifteenth.
You know, this is how close, This is how far
teams are while being a few spots out of the eight,
because port are basically three games out of eighth because
they've got a terrible percentage from their thumping losses that
they've had throughout the year. So it's still gonna be
so hard to make it. Even Carlton, who I think

(18:13):
are the one team that can sneak in if everything
goes right. They're two games out percentages all right, but
they're going to have to win some big games.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
You can also understand the d's love as well, considering
how close they got to knocking off Collingwood on King's birthday.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
No, I think they're pretty good. I just think that
a lot like last year, we're going to have some
reasonably good teams in fourteenth and fifteenth. Again. Ye, it's
it's a very even comp This is what they've designed
the AFL to be.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
It's working. We've held Max back on Taszy for long enough.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
It's now time for this and now on the Fox
Footy podcast. Another strong edition of Australia's favorite segment, Fair
or Fast.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Max Friday Night proved Tasmania's new stadium whenever it is
built one hundred percent needs a roof on it, fair
or Fast.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Oh this is fair Fast. I can thank you for
introducing that. Yes, it does not need a roof. That's silly.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
No one needs a roof on it.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
No Fast Fast. One game that was cold yep, does
not mean you need a roof. I mean, I think
that's why they're building it. It's basically that Gil went
to a game once and got cold. And when there's that, well,
is that meme the domino effect where it just like, yeah,
Gil gets cold. Tasmania needs another state election in twenty
twenty five. It's quite funny how that works out. It's

(19:25):
always been a slightly optimistic demand of the AFL and
Tasmania doesn't have a lot of leverage. They're giving in
and they're gonna end up doing it. Even a cricket
doesn't seem happy, other cricket might be.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Sounds like there's been a little bit of itif.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
There okay, so that comes to I think, which is
good to know they'll sort that out. But no, Look,
it was cold and they didn't kick well, everyone's conflating
those two things. But teams have kicked terribly in great conditions.
Did you see that game in Bunbury with North and
West Coast? Yes, that was perfect for footy and that
was the worst game of footy you'll ever see.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Is that because it was seventeenth v eighteen? Though, yeah,
sixteenth to an agree.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
But you can also have pretty good teams kicking poorly
for goal. Melbourne has had a pretty good run while
kicking poorly for goal in most weeks. So I understand
people want to draw the connection, but I don't think
a roof would have really helped that too much anyway.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
So what about for the spectators because we did say'd
be pleasant this time last week in our podcast when
Jack was sitting here, that this was the first ever
Friday night York Park game. Yes, and the conspiracy theory
going around was Hawthorne's only playing down there on Friday night.
So the AFL can remind people, look, you wouldn't you
wouldn't just love a roof.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Well, and I don't think they have had any day
games in Tasmania yet. It's only been twilight and night
games because they also had the Saturllay game against the
Giants and then North played Risbon on Sunday twilight, so
they are giving them the coldest conditions possible in the
middle of winter. So you can understand the conspiracy. But
the AFL has already said you have to do a
roof or else. And now Tasmania is going to an election,

(20:57):
not purely because of that, but partly because of that,
even though that's not going to change anything, it's just
going to delay the process. So yeah, look, it'd be nice,
but Tasmania would also be happy spending that money on
hospitals and schools and roads and whatnot. I imagine.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yes, I've seen I've seen the tazzy vox pops down there.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Oh, yes, you're reading the fifty fifty.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Will Jamara hugil Hagen is a great redemption story in
the making, fair or.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Fast it was earlier to say in the making. I
guess he's in the progress of redevelopment, taking the good
first step at least, yes he has. I'm glad that
he was back at training. I think it would be
It would definitely be a fairy tale if he plays
fair retail fairy tale, not fast detail. If he plays
a fl.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
It's good, that's good. I think if he plays a
fl against the Dogs, it would be. Ever ever, not
not just this year, even next year. You think it's unrealised,
I do.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
I do, just for how removed on the outside I'm
speaking here, how how far removed he looked from the
club At one point. I do remember there was a
period where Luke Beveridge was really speaking and it was not.
The tone on Jamarro was noticeably different for a two
or three week period while he was away from the club.
So I think it would be a fairy tough he
plays in Dogs cars Ever again, I really hope he does,

(22:16):
because he was such a big Acquadison for the acquisition
for them, and I think a lot of people around
him at the club, both teammates and coaches and staff,
all invested a lot in him. So for him to
play at with Nova would be great, and it's good
to see him at training, But from what I under
sand VFL is probably another three or four weeks away
at minimum.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
That seems to be what they are. Surely there is
some path where he trains well as he returns, he
gets at the VFL level and he plays really well
because he's a good player. And then the dogs are
in September and it's elimination final and they just need
a bit of help. And just like last year, they're
wondering about his status for an elimination final. Would you
at least not consider him well, you'd have to, You

(22:54):
have to if he'd done the work up to that point.
Of course, you're not just rushing him in for the
point of it.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Nick Del Sano did a really good breakdown of the
Jamara state of play on AFL tonight. He said, the
football from a football component perspective, is he physically able
to do what he's asked to do if he's had
that time off. You can only imagine he'd be underdone
if you try and rushing back, he'd be proner injuries
who actually need to manage his body? Does he know
the systems? Is he up to date with all the

(23:19):
meetings that they've had, all the little details. That's one component,
and then the second bit is the is the trust
he goes? Can you go to war with this guy
for two hours every weekend? From a playing group perspective?
Does Marcus Bontepelli trust what he's going to get from Jamara?
We're going to get the opinion now of Fox Sports
News AFL Tonight presenter and Tribunal correspondent David Skeatzia. Hello, David, Hello,

(23:42):
nice to see you four.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's good to be with what is welcome? This is
the Fox Footy Podcast.

Speaker 6 (23:47):
I'd like to apologize to the listen well, the listeners
they I think some of them have been asking for
me to not be on it. But you've got your
wish No, Well, it's just logistically you found it quite challenging.
So it's a soft breakup.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
It's all right.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
You can do like thirty days there's no contact and
we'll see how we go conscious uncoupling conscious unk.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Well, I don't want to one couple.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
There's good will here.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
I'll just try and pop in here and yes, good
for so, I'll pop in here and there.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
But I don't want to derail what is You speak
very well.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
Sometimes I don't think I give the podcast the amount
of time and consideration.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
You are a busy man. You can effectively become the
Cramer of the podcast and just open the door and
walk in every now and then.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
I watched Friends that sein felt.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
I didn't watch that either, but that's the most contemporary
reference I could think of. I'm going to do like
Norm from Cheers, and I didn't.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
I don't watch that one either. Is that Ted Dancing?
Is he in that one?

Speaker 3 (24:37):
He was the bar man?

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (24:39):
Anyway, I'm miss speaking to you every Tuesday, and I'm
sorry I can't be in here as much as I
would like, But I hope it's going well.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Do you think if we do do a cameo because
we had Kinnies cameo, Haddo's cameo in the past, do
you think should should there be a segment when you
just walk in Kramer style?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
We'll just we'll make cup of I don't know what
a sting would be of this.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Did we do someone going? Have you done Kevin or not?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (25:08):
We're still fair or fast.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Pivot to Kevin.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
She have many more fear of faces.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
If we only just started far faster, I know we
can re order for you.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Little will cheer me up.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Let's hear from this.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Cheety, very exciting. I actually want to take you to
task a little bit, so I'm not complaining about what
you did with a story on the weekend apologized for,
but I think I want to talk about it publicly,
apologizing and just making sure that the people have read
it loved him even more.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
I didn't. It wasn't my intention. I didn't really, I
didn't about the bond.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yes, sometimes you get stories wrong, and he very publicly apologized.
It's a very noble thing to do.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
Well apparently quite rarely. I've since found out it was anyway.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
And it was just I just wanted to make you
depressed a bit before we get to hate.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Seriously, it's very heavy.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Well, the good news this is about your favorite topic,
this segment of Pockets of Greatness.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
Marcus Bons Cricket.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Correspond that's right, that's right. Well, I'm sure you'll be
doing that over the summer, a bit more of it.
I don't want to think VSV.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
That would require me. I'm still being employed here, but
I don't know if you go there.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Max Kevin Sheedy says, while I'm having a grizzle, I
might as well say the government rule giving the MCG
six months football a year and six months cricket is
a disgrace, a bloody disgrace. It's just dumb. Simply put,
there shouldn't be any Sheffield Shield cricket on the MCG.
It prevents other sports from using the MCG for too long,

(26:54):
it bars profitable sport. I hit other codes of football
and Showtime ground for far too long. I don't know
what Showtime in quotes me. Taylor Swift capitalized.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
He was ahead of his time. Taylor Swift perform.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
She's alive in nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Maybe just that's one of her albums, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Nineteen ninety six? Is that that's what she's fourward quick
Taylor Swift corresponding.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Here, we're good to nineteen eighty nine Great Grand Final?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
How much just having a test cricket pitch out in
the center and that cost the mcg I wonder how
much doesn't a test pitch earn you. It's costing us
because the tap piss I just spoke badly. It's costing
us the taxpayers a lot of money. Work it at yourself,
compare the crowds. And then he goes on about that
for a while.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
So not a fan of You're a cricket naffy. So
the Sheffield Shield fork, what do you make of Kevin's
Kevin's take on it?

Speaker 4 (27:47):
They rarely play there these days anyway, I feel like
Kevin's actually got his wish a year.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, okay, well Kevin Sheedy runs the Victorian state government.
You've heard it here first.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, well that's maybe one thing to take note of
when you go to Junction Oval and cover the Victorian
cricket team during the upcoming summer as well.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yes, absolutely, that's where they play.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
Okay, I'm going to go now. But I enjoyed listening
to the podcast. Sorry, I actually we don't lie.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
I enjoy walking. I enjoyed the walking past and seeing
you record the podcast. The very best to you and
your family. That was David Za joining us on the
Fox Footy podcast.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Let's get back into this and now on the fox foot.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well we playing it again. Now we hang on. Let
does work? Yeah, okay, I played a bit of it.
There you go, keep going.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Had you finished on Jamara, did you have anything else
to say?

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Well, now that we pivoted to Taylor, Swift actually wanted
to correct myself. It was actually nineteen eighty nine was
the tailor of the police, which don't don't ride in no, no,
don't write in fairy fairy tale was what we ended
on their excellent Max.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's better to be down the very bottom of the
ladder rather than the messy middle fair or five, very
like a.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Boat, right, that's what we're talking about, f Doublay, That's
what we meant. This was Chris Scott's point that he
sort of dropped on three sixty on Monday night. That's
something I've espoused.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
For a while.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I think it's good to know where you are and
where you're going and where you want to be, and
if you're in the middle, it's harder to be making
moves either way.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
It came off the back of Ross Lines six sin
Kilda State of Play, but Chris made it clear that
he wasn't specifically talking about sin Kilda.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
But Sekulda has very sort of purposefully done this, although
they're also trying to be competitive at the same time, so.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Kind of not narrative.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
They knew. Ross knew when he got to the Saints
that they were mid table with a very old list
and a very expensive list, and that's not where you
want to be because it's pointless so that he's gotten
a lot younger, they've remained competitive while doing so, and
I think they'll probably finish you know, eleventh or twelfth
ish at best with this current list, which is you know,
maybe slightly overperforming, but about right. And that's the point.
It's that if you are mid table, you're not making

(29:55):
moves to making your next premiership team. It's a lot
harder to win a flag when you're draft and the
bottom half of the top ten, which gets blown out
to like twelve or thirteenth yep, every year, instead of
drafting in the top five, because's where the top talent
comes from. We know that. So for all those reasons,
I would prefer a team to take a dip Hawthorne
style and then charge back up then be languishing down

(30:16):
there forever it's a lot easier, even if it does
entail the risk of being very very bad for a while.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
The Saints could have early picks again this year. But
ye're right, there's a lot of talk about the draft
at the moment and the very much compromised nature of it,
so that some Kilda picks could get blown out quite significantly.
The already is they could be doing a fair bit
of bidding about where they pick lands at the moment,
they could be doing quite a fair bit of bidding.
I think they've got some good prospects to the the

(30:44):
oh the bidding on the prospects the Gold Coast Brisbane.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
They're the ones making those teams match.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Bits Swan's academy.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
It also, you sometimes just got a time you run nicely,
Like they had two top ten picks last year. Did
they not in a very good draft?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
You'd rather have that than this year for example. Yeah,
sometimes it just works out.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I think they've done well there. Fork West Coast and
Oscar Allen need to have a mature conversation and the
co captain should be put on ice until season's end,
no matter the severity of his latest injury.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Fair or fast, you've got something.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
You've got some good ones for me today, Ben, That
is a real head scratcher. I think now that Oscar
is injured, call it a month he has off, right, Yep, naturally,
I think Oscar and the club almost certainly need to
decide what he's doing next year. There shouldn't be any
uncertainty left beyond that point. That's when I think it
gets messy and you start playing games. If they can

(31:38):
mutually agree that he wants to have a trade, you
just put him on ice. I think if he wants
to play at the club and he wants to be
there beyond the end of twenty twenty five played, I
know that sounds like as much.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
The difficulty is he wants to be at the club,
but they're not giving him enough money, right. It seems
like they're offering him three to funny and offering him six.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, I don't think there would be any uncertainty as
to like the officer is not going to change between
now and the next month.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
I wouldn't have thought from sure that's what he's holding
out for.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Either party, But like, yeah, there shouldn't be any uncertainty
by the time he's fit to play, So I can't
really answer that yet, but they just need to be
on the same page before the end of the season,
whereas normally you might wait until September the start of
October to realize like what year next year looks like.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
I think that fitness element is obviously why we're having
this conversation again. But the fact that he does seem
like he wants to stay if possible, if they can
come to the table with the money, it makes it
more complex because he wants to come back and prove
to them that he's a player worth investing in and like, yes,
they they can get picked two if he walks and
gets enough money for it. So it's very hard for

(32:41):
him to convince them of that. Yeah, but it seems
like he'd rather try than sit back and just let
the whole process play out.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
I mean, if you're Hawthorne, you're probably not throwing the
bag at him now, are you. Like you feel like
you're pretty set up. You got Mitch Lewis returning from injury.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
I know.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Brisban's obviously the main one that's linked with the Oscar Brisbane.
It makes more sense almost because they've got a window
over the next two three years.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
He's ready right now if he wants to play for
a club in the window.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
And they've got their magic special wisdom of injury, fitness, health,
whatever they do up there the river from what's the
Brisbane River called? Is it called the Brisbane River?

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh, it's by south Bank there, Brisbane.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Lovely, the story bridge goes over it.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I'm sure that's right.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
You know what, they dip their plays in and they
get healthy. However, it works out. So if he goes
up there, maybe it does extend his career and that
it works out for both sides. But yeah, it's going
to be hard for him to stay at West Coast
regardless of what happens, even if that's.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
What he wants, because I think he even if if
it is a four week injury, I think he would
want to come out and play because he still feels
that sense of responsibility as the co captain. So he
wants to lead this this club through. But yeah, it's
it's very difficult to start West. But West Coast is
clearly for reading the tea LEAs and they'll never admit this,
admit this, but West Coast clearly values picked two in

(33:51):
this year's draft more than Oscar Allen going forward. As
brutal as that sounds.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I don't think it's realistic, Like when are they going
to be good again? Two three years at the earliest,
So Oscar Allen in two three years or whatever pick
two has developed into in that time, Your odds are
you're getting a better player with pick two.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
So Max Rosslines defense of sin Kilda's home crowd just
didn't stack up faar or fast.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
That's fair, it didn't here. I totally understand the Thursday
night point that Thursday nights don't draw a great crowds
at times, and the current numbers, like the average crowd
has been skewed by the Richmond Carlton game in Round one,
for example. I think there was a Carlton Collingwood game
on a Thursday night as well. But twenty thousand at
Marvel was one of the lowest figures that the Dogs
and Saints have had for some time. It was five

(34:41):
thousand or maybe fifteen thousand less than the Bulldogs Hawks
game had a week prior. And the difference there is
Hawthorne for sin Kilda, so you can blame that on
Saint Kilda and understandable for Saints fans to not want
to make the track for a game that they saw
their team lose by ten goals eight weeks ago and
a cold night. Keep in mind it's cold and albo
at the moment. Hey we have a roof. Oh it's true.

(35:02):
It means it can't be cold mass.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I forgot to bring that up anecdotally though, when we've
had the bye rounds, and we have in previous years
when Thursday night footy wasn't necessarily every single week, a
lot of those Thursday night games I remember being in Sydney,
Adelaide and Perth. But there is more Thursday night games
naturally both throughout all the twenty four rounds this year

(35:29):
in Melbourne.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, because they've had to fill in the gaps with
all those games that they wouldn't have put there otherwise.
Like that's why you get Esendon North was a Thursday
night game. I think I think North's got another one
coming up. They do very exciting, Yes, under the roof
at least so it won't be cold.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Last one fork Melbourne jumped at Shadows, handing Cozy Pickett
a nine year, twelve and a half million dollar deal.
Fair or fast?

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Three from three today at BW did they jump at shadows.
No they didn't because it's a face. I think the
idea that they've locked in this amount of money. Cousey,
in my opinion, is worth that much money. Like he's
an absolute genuine superstar, like probably a top three player
this year across the competition.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
That seems that seems high. You reckon that seems high.
I think he's got that maybe that ceiling, and he's
getting there. This is his best year, but I don't
think he's there yet.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Okay, maybe I've broaden that out the top five after
you've said that, but I think very very highly of him.
But the money is getting paid to Cosey. If he
stays to twenty twenty thirty four, you're paying for a
product that I think is absolutely worth it. And if
he leaves, that entire salary is going elsewhere. I believe
that was how the contract was structured. Is that if
someone's gonna take him, like if he goes back to

(36:41):
w A, is that they are going to be paying me.
Got some leverage, Yeah, yeah, and an interesting one as well.
I did hear this along with great Vine, But I
think Melbourne still believes that they have enough room for
Luke Jackson. If he chose to come back, it's a
free as to Melbourne at the end of the year.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Do you think it.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Do you think that's dead because that has cooled a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
I don't think it will happen. I wouldn't say it's dead,
but they believe that if Luke really wanted to come
back home to Melbourne that they would have they could
squeez him in.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
That was just an interesting a bit. Yeah, so no,
not a face.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
I think he's worth that much and I think it
speaks to a club who have so nearly lost Clary
somewhat by their own doing, very nearly would have lost
Petrarca if it wasn't for different circumstances and Cozy, and
they've managed to keep all three of them. Like, I
think that was a really big thing for them culturally,
just to keep him because I've had their struggles with Petraka,
they had their struggles with other this one they've nipped

(37:36):
in the bud for now and I don't think it
will mean that Cozy will never leave, but the security
that comes with him playing at Melbourne long term.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Is good and the salary of Simon Goodwin spoke to
the media on Friday, He said, the cozy picket contract
quote provides enormous stability for our list moving forward, and
we can make some really strong decisions around that deal.
So you've got the picket contract on top of Petrarca
and Oliver gone. To a certain extent, that's a lot

(38:04):
of cash in four players. How much of a risk
is that to have so much of your salary cap
invested in four players.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Massively, it's a massive risk.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
I mean, if you're going to turn into Cup, if
you're gonna put it into players, they're gonna be the
four guys at the Cup that you do it to.
Gornan's obviously on a lesser extent as you said, I mean, yeah,
I think they might struggle in a couple of years,
which is why I without knowing obviously the numbers. But
they've got guys like Harvey Langford, Zavier Lindsay and Trent
Rivers are all out of contract in twenty twenty seven yep,
which was the same year that Cosey was out of contract.

(38:33):
If I was Melbourne, there are three players I would
really want to invest heavily in. So it depends how
much of a crossover there is. I think Gorne might
end in twenty twenty six or twenty seven as well
his contract, but it depends how the longer he goes,
the harder it makes to sorry, the harder it is
for them to retain those types of players, because I think, yeah,
Clary and Petrarca are locked away to twenty nine and

(38:54):
twenty thirty respectively, So I think you know what you're
gonna get that they're locked away. That cash isn't moving obviously,
Shuman they start at the club. Whereas yet the retention
of those three players is quite important, and I reckon
they've got a couple jud mcv there's also one that's
out of contract.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Apparently he's close to re signing.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Yeah, yeah, someone that like you can see them having
to or wanting to throw a feb bit of money
out in the future. Like as I've said before in
this podcast, I still think Melbourne has a really good
group of young core players. So yeah, they have they
have to be spart with their money otherwise they're going
to lose.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Some of them. They do have some impressive young players
and I think cause he's probably still underrated by the
wide of footy community. To that point and to your praise.
He's averaging eighteen point seven disposals and two point two goals,
so almost twenty and two. The last player to average
twenty disposals and two goals a game was Stevie j
in twenty eleven, which.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Is ridiculous, right, Like, yeah, I know he's not quite
the twenty disposal market, but very very very.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Close, and he's jumped up average like six extra disposals
a game, like he has taken the leap.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Into a greater he's been playing more midfield, like he
wasn't playing as much midfield in the first few weeks,
so he essentially would be I would say, averaging twenty
and two. Yeah, missing in the second half against Portela
in the weekend, but yeah, he's a massive X factor.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I just this a sicky bat. Steve Johnson in twenty
eleven had some absolutely monstrous games. I found him seven
goals three from twenty nine disposals against gold Coast, seven
goals from thirty four touches against Melbourne, and then six
goals from thirty one against gold Coast. I want to
say he's just a different era. I want to say
that Melbourne game was the infamous two hundred. It was

(40:28):
thirty three point game.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
I believe he had something along the lines of twenty
seven score involvements that game. Nine goal assist spend, nine goalarsists.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
It was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
There's ten on AFL tables.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Ten goals.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, should have won a brown lines very close?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Did he poll three two?

Speaker 5 (40:46):
Well?

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Okay? Someone probably had seven hundred disposals.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Then Joel Sellwood had forty three dispose any goals one goal,
but he Moons had kicked five.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Come on, when the game was alive in the first
thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Four was very long. Had five hundred and ten disposals
to Melbourne two hundred and eighty two. We've been a
good super coach today, I reckon that is the end
of fear of Fats. We'll see if there's anything in
this on.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
The Foxwoody podcast. It's time to open up the mailbag.
Have a question for the panel. Tweet us every Monday
morning at Fox Footy.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Now, look, listeners, look, this is this is our fault,
not yours. Where we've been inconsistent with doing shows and
we don't answer every question. So maybe there's been a
disincentivization to answer. Send questions into the mail bag on
a Monday morning on Twitter. So fair enough, but I
don't have any mail bag questions this week. Instead, I
want to talk about what I think is the craziest

(41:42):
and funniest story of the year, which came out today,
and it involves Warren Treadray.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Treaders, did you see this, guys, I've just I've seen.
I haven't done a deep dive, but I've seen. He's
trending today.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yes, Port Adelaide Football Club board member. Keep that in mind.
He's somehow has told a court he has paid his
Channel nine with illegal IOU because Australia has no gold
or silver coins in circulation. Tread Ray has also claimed
in federal court documents that he is not an entity,
nor a legal person, citizen or resident, but a private

(42:13):
man who's yes, B yes and no B no. The
court has ordered Treadray to reimburse Nine's legal costs for
an appeal it's six figure sum. He sent them a
promise sorry note, which has a written promise by one
party to make a payment at a future date under
the terms conditions outlined within it, and Treadray says because
he sent the note to nine, but they did not
return it, within seventy two hours, he doesn't owe them

(42:35):
the debt, and he says that he cannot pay the
debt because there are no gold or silver coins in
circulation in Australia.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
That's some interesting court documents officially lodged.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Or in treadray. Is I believe what you would call
a sovereign citizen, who are people who believe that the
laws of Australia do not apply to them and believe
that you will often say if you see a really
weird license plate, sometimes it says like private citizen and
there's a bunch of small text about how I'm just
going about my business but the laws don't affect me
because I'm sovereign that I believe. That's happened. So very American.

(43:10):
Interesting stuff from a member of the Port Adelaide board.
I just found that story interesting.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
And that's the end of the mailbag on the Fox
Footy podcast. Let's get into the tips and cups for
another by weekend. Just on that question that I raised
off the top, is there a solution because it does
feel like the season has lost a little bit of
momentum with the prolonged by period at the point there
where we just need everyone just has a weekend off

(43:36):
on the same weekend or does that or is that
just killing the golden it'd be.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Nice from a footy industry perspective, of course everyone can
take the week off. Yeah, but that's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
No.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
The AFL introduced the sixty six to six for all
a few years ago on field, and I think it
would be perfectly fitting if they did it also during
the bye week six six six three rounds.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
You don't need more than that. Isn't that what we
did for ages? We spoke about the other I know
why they took it away that they have round It
must be that by spreading out the buyers as much
as possible, you keep as much content on the screens
as possible. You're having seven to eight game rounds, keeps
the broadcast as happy. That's what it has to be.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
There's not a doubt in my mind as to That's
why the two by around that. I think it was
St Kildren and Free I had that threw me off.
I didn't like that, which obviously you can't have four
rounds of buyers without well.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
You know, you'd have just different numbers of teams going
off on buy you can do, you can do whatever
you want. You'd have seventeen? Actually, could you have seventeen? No,
you could have seventeen. Don't be stupid next, So would
you go.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Back to six sixty six?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I think that's preferable or to the idea. I think
we briefly discussed it last week about having a Northern round.
Half the teams play games and have like the opening
round games in the middle of the season, and then
the other half play in the other week. That was okay,
but I also don't think that. I think the momentum
of the season always disappears a little bit.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Does it feel like it's been holded more this year?

Speaker 3 (44:59):
I mean that that's just we're feeling it now, so
we don't remember how it felt before, so we don't know.
It's the same thing with the umpirings. Everyone always thinks
the umpire isn't worse than it's ever been because they
don't remember how badly they felt about it last year
and the year before that.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Have you noticed so that the umpiring talk ground umpiring
has somewhat died down since an Zac Day, though.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
It's almost like it's like a narrative that pops up
for a few weeks and then goes away because it's
a persistent problem and not the one that gets aggravated.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Let's get excited about Thursday night football, Freemantle and Essenon
for the Kepler Bradley co.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yes, you said get excited about football.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Kepler Bradley.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Then you said Essendon, have you heard that Barbara Streissan remix?
But instead of saying Barbara Streiss and it's just kepler.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
By, maybe that we can get Kath Dirkin to voice.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
She doesn't just get around legal copyright by being a
voiceover woman. That's not how it works in Tredd might
have told you that, but that's not how the law works.
But worrying if he's listening, he's got things to do.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Freemantle, Doggers, Fred, Geelong and Brisbane for them the I cockertoo.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Cuff fantastic Geelong in Geelong, I wouldn't be surprised if
something weird happens in Brisbane plays up to the level
of their opponents, as they've been known to do.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yes, Geelong and I look forward to seeing the twenty
two year first and our blog cell headline.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Oh What's what Lions seeking? Twenty two year first by
winning very.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Good Carlton and North Melbourne a Fox pretty exclusive game
for the digby Morell Cauff.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
We've got to Fox for the exclusives on this we
do on Super Saturday and live wonderful Super Saturday that
we love so deally. Yes, Carleton Carton have won the
last five games against North and they make it six.
This is the second time this year that Carlton has
played West Coast and North and back to back weeks
just on very does that work?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Surely that is not on North. The only game that
they flopped in according to Alistair Clarkson was the last
time these two sides mesod Friday.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Wasn't it good Friday?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Besides that, they you know, came away one on one
from their Perth experience or Western Australia experience. Much improved
season from the Kangaroos.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
That as their percentage says, they are the best team
of the bottom three. Doesn't mean they're good, but they're
the best team at the bottom three. So they could
win this if Carleton does Carlton things. If Carlton doesn't
lead by three goals plus at quarter time, you know
they're in trouble because you know they'll fall off after.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
That, Port Adelaide and Sydney for the Campbell Heath Cup.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Do you guys think that like last week, there were
two tough games to tip last week and this is
one of them because Sydney is better than they look
because of the potential ends. Yes, so that makes it tougher.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
So the word from our Fox Sports News correspondents Luke
Dowerty up in Sydney today at training it sounds like
Callum Mills was very optimistic that some of their stars
will play propably and Gordon weren't doing much at Swan's training,
but it's not necessarily a sign of their availability for
this weekend. They train while the squad was given time
off over the bye, so it could be a load

(47:54):
management thing.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Still going to lean Port at home again, but a
fifty to fifty game almost. Port Of won nine of
the last ten, and that one loss that had was
that prillion final last year in the SCG.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
As input nine of US ten to the Swamps.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yes, they beat them at the SDG earlier this year.
They did another rematch way too early in the season.
I know it doesn't matter, but no one likes it.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
No, there's still there'd be so many teams that haven't
played each other yet. Still, yeah, well that was round fifteen.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
It has to be.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Port I think, but those potential inclusions will make things
very very interesting.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
That was the Port Adlaide Sydney game. Was when Alier
earlier had that confrontation with that young fans.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yes, it feels ever again Sydney had a million chances
of the fourth quarter and couldn't get over the.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Lines and expected score. Game. Maybe Collingwood and St Kilda
for the Mark McGough Cup.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yes, but not an Antec day. That's when the medal
is set back handed out Collingwood, Collingwood.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Giants and Gold Coast for the Anthony Miles Cup. It
frustrates me that there's no pure Giants Sons Cup participants.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Or three team three team players, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah? Jack hompsh and Job and Jacob Town's end.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Jonathan Giles, Gold Coast, No, he was at four.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
He was at Port Adelaide, Essendon Giants, West Coast?

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Was it him and Tom Hickey who did the four
different states for four different.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Teams and the epitome of a journeyman?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Where's the Rockmurry go around? That'll come up? In the
trade period. This is the Expansion Cup.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Said, maybe the best or the most significant Expansion Cup ever.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I think I I might have reached. I think it
fairly is they are both of these teams feel like
they should play finals, right and for the first time ever.
The Sons I think are probably the better team for
the first time and basically since GWS's inception, they should
win this. I'm going to tip the Suns also because
clearly I hate the Giants and need them to lose
for expected scoring proven corrects. But you know, Sons Giants,

(49:53):
I can't look past history, Max. They do always beat them.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Gold Coast have lost thirteen at the last fourteen game
against WS that dates back to twenty fifteen in the
Inspection Cup. Have never won an Enjye Stadium.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Their one win was by one point. It was in
ballarats twenty one.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Is there a world in which the Giants and the
Suns finish sixth and seventh play each other in elimination final?

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (50:20):
World?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
But do you want that People First stadium? Would rather stadium? Well,
the atmosphere at People First I think actually would be better.
To be honest, They've got them GWS's numbers like crowd numbers,
membership numbers. They are effectively about as big as the
lesser Victorian teams now in terms of like sponsorship dollars
they bring in and stuff. They are like they're still
getting a heap of a for funding, but they're not

(50:40):
like a drag like everyone seems to think they are.
They're doing okay. Yeah, and plus all the off field
stuff about ods kickers.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I want yeah, I do want to have what the
crowd reception will be like on an early Sunday game. Yeah,
we normally prefer the Saturday stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I think the Giants Mirka over would have finally ever
get played. There is there really a need for it
could be funny? I mean yes, it would be funny.
That's what matters.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Finals comes to Canberra and then Western Bulldogs and Richmond
round out the round with the Patrick Bowden Cup.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
The only thing that he is stopping from instantly tipping
the Bulldogs is that I mean, like, I'm definitely going
to tip them, but this feels like the ultimate oh god,
how did the Bulldogs lose that? That's going to cost
them a top eight spot game, doesn't it?

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Like?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
The random ringin is West Coast a couple of years
ago there was a Hawthorne one, but maybe the year
before that. They always do something stupid. Yeah, have we
seen it of them being stupid? No, that's the thing.
They haven't been stupid against against bad teams. They've been
they've been thrashing them by ten yearls. You don't think
they've matched out yet on their stupidity. They're due for something. Okay,

(51:41):
they do for something very stupid. Watch out. Everybody is
going to do something stupid. Is not a Simpsons gag
at some point J Simpson, I think that was Leny
and Carl watching.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
I'm aware of time. Why do we have a one
ten in a three to twenty game? Is there any
rush now for that? Like because it bounce all the broadcasters?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
It would be that seven wants the three to twenty
game to show it, and then we had probably discussions
on when we would play the other game. But we
want to put Bounce on at six because everyone loves Bounce. Okay,
the Lovely Show.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
There's something around turnaround times between.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I mean, I mean it's that or you're putting. You're
either putting this game Sunday night for Giants Suns isn't
going to work. No, and you can't put it early.
You could put it at twelve thirty. I don't know
why we didn't do it at twelve thirty, to be honest,
then you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Have had I've seen the programming schedule and Dogs Richmond
will start on five oh three and then we'll eventually
go into five oh four like a bar back quarter
a time. Yeah, so this should be a twelve.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
The twelve thirty start on Sunday should be every round.
I think I love that time slot. It works really
nicely for TV. It would work really nicely here. But
you know, our employers are great, so employers Fox Footy.

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