Fox Footy Podcast: Is QLD taking over the AFL?!

David Zita, Max Laughton and Ben Waterworth review Round 5 and preview Round 6 of the 2025 AFL season on the Fox Footy Podcast, with a big breakdown of Gather Round including the Queensland 1-2 atop the league and how both sides are primed for more success, plus Fair or Farce, the Mailbag, Sheeds' Wisdom and much more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The big Footy issues from every angle, dissected by a
team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever
you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide
to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
We came, we gathered, and we saw some mightily impressive
performances in South Australia, starting with a serious statement from
Patrick Dangerfield and his Cats and finishing with an almighty
blitz from Kenny's Power that humbled the Hawks. But now
after round five, the only two undefeated teams are based
out of Queensland, the Lines five and ZIP and, much

(00:37):
to the chagrin of one of our co hosts, the
Sons four and Zip. As the uneven ladder continues, we'll
have the Power ranking state of play, plus dissect all
the big issues in Faaro Fast, the Mailbag, the latest
Kevin Sheeting, Musing's Hot off the Press, and the tips
and the cups. On the Fox Footy Podcast. Ben Waterworth
with you, as is the man sitting in Seat one
A campaigning for a pineapple grapple Grandfather Max Lordon.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Hello, it's happening. It's happening. Genuinely, I think for about
seven or eight years If you have asked the footy
community what's the most likely interstate Derby Derby Grand Final
to happen, everyone would have said the New South Wales.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
What Sydney very close to a West Coast Freemantle Grand
Final two fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Tommy Sheridan unfortunately ruined that in the prelim. But since
then we've never had a top two this deep into
a season from the same state. That wasn't Victoria obviously
bris been Gold Coast up there. I think Sydney and
GBS were up there like after like Round two a
couple of years ago. Incredible scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
We will dissect that very soon. Also joining us is
the man fresh off a podcast episode off and a
rare weekend off. Well it doesn't even know himself, David
Cena Skeeter.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I didn't know what I was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
It was what did you do on Sunday?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Not very different to events, some.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Time with loved ones and just enjoyed myself. I wasn't.
It was just bizarre. He hasn't really planned for a
weekend off during footy, so when you get one when
you're not taking leave, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
So, yeah, he didn't get to make the most of it.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, so I just enjoyed myself. So now I feel refreshed.
I think I do. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
But you kept up with the football, of course, to
do your favorite football podcast. Yes, that's it. He's nodding
his head at me right now. Definitely, sure, David.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Great to have you back.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Well, it's good to be here. It's been a couple
of weeks, has it not.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yes? Nice?

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Who was in my who was here? Mate? We had
the Utensil, Yes, William Faulkner.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
And then we had Norm last week.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Norm of course Jack Yavanowski, who you call Norman because
his initials are JJ, and that refers to Jason Johannison,
who won the Norse Smith Medal in twenty six years.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's a very obvious nickname. I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
He's a stupid nickname that makes no it's too obscure.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I mean, utensil is also pretty obscure. But I can
at least extrapolate it from his lin.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Why do you think John longwise nickname is horse.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Loves them, just rides them all the time. He's on
a ranch.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, and someone told me it's because he eats a lot,
and I thought that can't be true.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Did he go to a glue factory once? Is that it? No?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
I don't know. Just yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
If someone is prepared to go back through the podcast
archives and count how many times David has asked that question?
Have I actually I will send you cash?

Speaker 3 (03:05):
They say, Ben never never asked a question you don't
know the answer to.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I just know that it's a lot. Nonetheless, what's a lot?
But you've asked the question how many times? Why is
John Long my called horse? The Sons and the Lines
top two in the ladder? Are they top two in
the power rankings? Max? I know you haven't a fish?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Quickly massa, yes, correct, I'm getting a lot of free samples.
That's why I'm so swallen.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
They've been they've been. I think they've been cornered out
of them or kicks out of the market by is
it rokuby Rockaby?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Are you dealing the protein?

Speaker 4 (03:38):
It's a shake?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
How often are you on that your gym's Instagram story?
Isn't that like every week.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Youdy Fit Fairfield.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's spotlighted constantly.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Good people of body Fit Fairfield.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
There any people after some first stories? That's where you
want to go to from this podcast?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I don't put many out there. I don't put them
out myself, though. I don't think it's different, like it's
different putting one out of repost. Think something the gym
has done one where you put the phone on the
floor and you record yourself working out. That's a completely different.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
You could be checking your form in the ladder, which
is okay?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Have I asked some at times? Look, if you want
to get.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
There are lots of mirrors in the gym that you
can only can make the most absolutely and in the media, Yes,
this is true. The Sons in the lines top two
in the power rankings there.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Max they're not but what why would the Sons be
second in the power ranking four and zero? Do you
think they're the second best team?

Speaker 4 (04:26):
They literally undefeated.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay, here's the ladder, enjoy that's your power rankings. We've
done this debate many times, David, you can have the
more nuance than the ladder. Does I think that Hawthorne, Geelong,
GWS and Collingwood are still better than the sun.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Above the Suns along?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, they lost to Saint Kilda and then they just
came back from five dollars down to be Adelaide on
the road and gatherounds.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
The beauty of the nuance of the power rankings.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
And who have the Sons beaten?

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Keep in mind they've beaten four teams max.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yep beat the Crows by a point point and they
arguably shouldn't have less than Geelong beat them by wins win,
and then they beat a bunch of terrible ten and
losses a loss, yes, two losses in Gelong's case, but
that's why we do the power rankings. And I put
my opinions, and Masashi therefore backs my opinions.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Do you think backs me right?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Do you think the Gold Coast Sons can win the
twenty twenty five AFL Premiership?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Do I think they got? Ah?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
What?

Speaker 4 (05:22):
It's early.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
So you want to put them to you where no
one gives an opinion basically.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Because sorry, yeah, why not? Yeah they can win it.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
They're going, well, there you go, that's the correct answer
because there's no reasons they say win.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Why not more the reasons than previous years, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
The argument would be that history says you need at
least some finals experience. The least experienced premiere were the
ninety seven Crows. This is in the AFIL era because
they've been to the prelim in ninety three and that's
all the finals experience they had.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
They should have been at the Grand finally ninety ninety three.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yes, so that's that would be the reason, and that's
one of the reasons why the Sons and Adelaide probably
would hurt them this year. But they could definitely have
a Brisbane twenty eighteen or nine nineteen style year where
they bolt up into the top two four and then
maybe they don't go so well in September, but at
least they get their chance there. I could say that
happening for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, as you also pointed out yesterday or a couple
of days ago, that every team who's been four and
zip in the past decade has gone on to play finals.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Right, sixteen of sixteen, If you go four zero, you
are playing finals. So Brisbane and gold Gross lock them in,
says history. The only teams that haven't in since the
Suns came into existence were Essendon twice, right, one of
them for the drug saga and one of them for
the drugs that they took in the drug saga when
they actually took the alleged supplements.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Oh so twenty twelve and twenty thirteen.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Correct. Yes, I explained that very clearly. I can tell,
so good chance.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
And then the other team bucking history though or recent history,
is Brisbane because we've had the reigning premiers in since
twenty twenty two or flop in the next year and
miss finals. But now Brisbane's five and zero are to
see their missing finals.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
None of them have won a final World final. Rather,
and the comparison that Brisbane Lions fan in the office
Anthony Bitzillis has raised, yes.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Gets a lot of mentions on this podcast. It's almost
as many as horse is.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
The comparison was with the twenty twenty two Melbourne Demons
who were nine and oh and overly you know it
was like okay, then nine and know, but then they
sort of fell apart and then didn't win a final.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I did I do remember quote transcribing a quote from
Durham that year saying, oh, I don't I can't see
Melbourne losing a game on.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Mick Moltouse talking about Carlton, Yes, or not quite like
North Melbourne like twenty sixteen when they were like nine
zip and then finished eighth. I think Britain will do
better than that. But yeah, No, it's a it's still
a shaky five and oh if you can have that,
I've been a little bit glass half empty in terms
of Okay, yes, they have the ceiling to perform better,

(07:44):
but I would like to see them perform better. That
was a very good win over the Bulldogs on the weekend,
coming back from as far back as they.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Were thirty nine points and it was a sixty point
overall turnaround.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
We should play more games at Norwood. Oval look good,
it's fun. I love seeing the flat boundaries. It's really
stupid looking. And every game except Brisbane North I want
to say last year at Norwood has been interested. It
wasn't great, but the first quarter was interested.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
There was a lot of goals kicked. It was entertaining footy, very.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
High scoring round, one of the more high scoring rounds
we've had in a while. It was quite good.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Giants Hawks game. I think the first year of gather
around was was outstanding as well.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Richmondson Kilda also at Norwood, that was I think that
was was closed.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yes, it was good times. You know what the thing
is as well for these two clubs is that they
could also be the biggest winners of the draft. This
year they watch.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
They have and who and who was watching? Ben was watching.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
I went to the Australian Academy game versus Richmond's VFL side.
So most of the headlines were Noel Bolter who played
in defense and played three quarters and got through. But
the main one is Daniel Annibal was a Brisbane Academy prospect,
was best on ground captain yesterday. He looked like a
top five player position midfielder. Finally another Brisbane midfielder.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Finally they have a good young midfielder coming through the ranks.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Because so in a couple of his time it could
be Ashcroft Ashcroft, Annibal, triple ah, not triple Annibal, yep
Annibal A N N A B L E. And then
they also have a ruckman two hundred and two centimeters,
a guy called Isaac Waller who didn't play yesterday, but
he's a bolter David and other lines across. And then

(09:19):
there's three sons academy prospects, the Zeke yuland yes Zeke
and you shall find.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
And who would be a pick one contender if in
an open draft.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
If in an open draft he probably might still get
a bit of pick one. He's out of the back
injury at the moment, so he didn't play yesterday, but
two players he did bo Adam Sall and Dylan Patterson.
I thought I was watching Nisia Wangona Miller yesterday watching
Dylan Patterson play, and Adam Sall had twenty eight disposals
most on the ground for Australia that Adam saw, Patterson
and your Australian are all potential first round picks. Then

(09:52):
Klaney White, who's Jeff White's son. He's also a Gold
Coast Academy linked as well as mel Melbourne father son.
He hasn't made that call Arb as well.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
It does sound like that, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
So these undefeated sides looking like they could have have
an absolute gold mine at the top of this year's draft.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
What you're saying is Eddie McGuire is right and we
need to shut the border to Queensland. The Northern States
are too powerful and they're going to dominate the comp
for the next decade.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Sure nicely spun fast or they're going to have a
very busy trade period getting picks.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, more likely.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, Brisbane has already stocked up quite significantly on those
little picks, and the Gold Coast have three first rounders already.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Right because they traded it. That's right, because they did.
They're weird trades. Why are you're giving up so much
for Daniel Rioli Is because we don't need these picks.
We need next year's picks.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
And I think even though the Sun's got four academy
first rounders a few years ago, and they had and
a lot of them are in the side now, Rogers,
Will Graham, Walter, Ethan Reid all basically in the side.
I think there's almost just as much optimism about this
class from the Sun's perspective as there was a couple
of years ago.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
This is the strategy. This was the get them going,
get those players coming through the ranks, get the team successful.
It is what the AFL wanted to happen. I think
that there's going to be a growing conspiracy of people going, oh,
the AFL are making the Sons be good. It's forcing
it to happen. Yeah, they are because they want them
to be a successful club and they've been a failure
for fourteen years, so they need to start playing finals

(11:20):
and need to be good. When they win a flag
in a couple of years and everyone goes, oh, No,
this is going to be scary. How we're going to
stop them. Then it'll become a problem.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Who's your premiership favorite at the moment? There, Oh, David
win to win the whole thing. I know you said this,
why can't for Suns, But that didn't strike me as
an opinion that you think the Sons were young premiership favorite.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Struck me as him just thinking on his feet, And yes,
I do, I'd go, I'd still I still back the lines.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
I don't think they've played near their best foot yet
and they're still undefeated. They're building a good base, so
probably back them in, but I'm not. Yeah, it's it's
such a tight race. I just don't know who I think.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I think they literally are the premiership favorites.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Are they right with? Sorry? No, I go to Giants
because I said that preseason. I still believe that that
they will get everything going at the right time. They
will get better the more that stringer players in that
forward line, So I think they're they're my favorites at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
That third quarter against Secure was pretty impressive.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I put a lot of value on that wind, so
I think the Saints are actually kind of good. So
that was a very impressive win neutral territory.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Like good in terms of they've moved up in the
power rankings despite losing.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I know they've moved down despite winning. Right, Okay, because
Geelong moved up makes because I thought Gelong's winning was
more impressive. But right, and of course as a renowned
Giants hater, of course I have to live up to
that moniker.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Everyone now and Collingwood hater as well.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
No, not anymore. I buy back them now. They're good.
They I tipped them going into the Sydney.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
One of the big winners of the weekend.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, very impressive win on Friday night. Fun game. They
finding one in ned Long always helps, finally getting some
young players coming through that they didn't get for free.
It's a nice change. Yes your words, maximum, Yeah, madam,
tell me when I'm telling lies.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, no, very true, very true.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Colin goody good.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And what would you make of the Sunday night staush
between Port Adelaide and Hawthorn which turned into a bit
of a powerful blitz in that first quarter.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
That was weird, David, That was very I was, yeah,
I was just watching going this is so weird, like
how just how one sided it was it was just
like baffling. How I expect if anything, you if it
was to be like that, I would expect it the
other way, like Hawthorne to be just destroying Port because
of what we've seen so far this year.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
But at the same time, it is the most Ken
Hinckley thing ever that the big emotional game is the
one that Port got up for and won. Like winning
like that was crazy. Hawthorne looked genuinely like overawed by
the occasion.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Of it, which is weird because it doesn't really it's
not really how they've conducted themselves in big games as
of the last year or so, understand Mitchell. So maybe
they just had an off night, but they did that
once half time, after halftime they were they were good,
but it just was too late.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Like I can you put any value on that? Like
literally they were down seventy one point.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah, that's hard. It was almost like a half of
junk time, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Genuinely, the fights were great.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
And it's yes, very juicy as expected.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Have you guys noticed that Hawthorne have already become the
team that a lot of people hate, Like it's already happened.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
So during their Premiership era, they were the team that
people were seeing sick of winning, Yes, of course, and
then they've gone through the luwell, they've gone through the
patch where they were down down the bottom. Last year
they were the Hollywood Hawks most watchable team in the competition,
And you think it's quickly flipped now to the antagonists.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
And I think, particularly in that game, I think a
lot of people react. I'm basically this a lot of
social reaction. I get a vibe for what the general
footy public is thinking and the reaction to people like
laughing about them losing by it so much, and also
just seeing the way they the Hawks like obviously play
on the edge. They're very young and fun and viby

(14:51):
and all of that stuff, and then when they do
that in a loss, everyone thinks they saw losers and
being winging about things like that. So I think that
was the reaction I got and a lot of what
I saw. So I think the Hawks are very quickly
becoming They're not the lovable Hawks that everyone enjoyed as
the underdogs last year anymore.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
It's my point, right, It does change pretty quick, doesn't it. Yeah,
so maybe people the perception is changing, But I don't
have any any issue with what they do, how they
go about it.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
No, it's good do I but I think that's just
the general perspective on them, and they are already one
of the most like if we were looking at the
most clickable teams from a website perspective, Already, Hawthorne draws
so much attention, so much water they do because of
all of.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
That, and they've been very active in the trade draft
space in recent years, so there's a lot of intrigue
around those kinds of moves as well. Yeah, as we mentioned,
it was quite spicy. This is not in fair or fast.
But Willie Reoli didn't upload a now deleted Instagram post
where he I think gave a little bit of context
around why he doesn't he's not a big fan of Hawthorne.

(15:49):
Well certainly alluded to some context he hates them. He
did say he hates them.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Not the current players. It seems like he hates the club.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
His late father was on Hawthorne's list for I think
Glenn McFarland reported today about six weeks in the early nineties,
it didn't last. That didn't last long, and then he
referred I think most people agree that he referred to
then Siroli's well being mistreated as part of the racism
investigation in previous years, so that threatened to boil over.

(16:17):
I think when when Jiaff had a crack at him
after the goal. Luckily luckily it didn't. But yeah, that
there's some serious spices in that role.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Absolutely there is. It's not it's not a show. There's
clearly a bit. I think this, even though it was
a pretty one sided result probably last night, in just
up to another level.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Absolutely the rivalry. Yeah, an outstanding performance like that with
the Hawks go away feeling oh god, we were terrible. Absolutely,
it does.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
But even just like the Biff during the match, So
that was just seemed to be a genuine edge that
there wasn't there normally isn't in the matches.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
And all of that, to be fair, is different to
the Rooally stuff, which is that I can completely understand that.
And also the very unfortunate nature of him putting that
out there is that the racist messages he immediately got
on Instagram, Yeah, that he shared already. It's like really
covering yourself in glory their Hawks fans who did that
really making the club look.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Great from the bottom of the ladder perspective, there's still
two winless teams at different stages of their journey.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Zeen.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I want to Melbourne, right, Simon Goodwin. You've been to
his presses a lot, you have a good indication, you
speak to a lot of senior coaches at press conference
as well. Has it moves so quickly now that Simon
Goodwin is the most under the pump coach in the competition.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
I don't know if it's moved so quickly. I think
this is always a possibility. I think we went into
the season knowing if Melbourne don't perform well, then Simon
Goodman will be under the pump. The fact that R
and five just means that he's under siege and he's Yeah,
it just makes sense that he's the one who's under
the pressure cooker. There's always someone who's under that pressure.
It's just the fact that there's no real horrible underperformers

(17:56):
so far this year other than Melbourne. I would say
to them and Carlton, Carlton and Carlton, excuse me, but
Carlton won on the weekend. Hence why it's just all
on some the sense.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
With Carlton as well. Yes, the winds weren't coming, but
they weren't far away.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Those those performances, and even Michael Voss said in his
presser basically that you know, we had to win this,
but I don't really take a huge amount from this,
saying without saying West Coast is very bad. So this
doesn't mean that much for us. Yeah, but they know
they have work to do.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, it's clearly the pressure on good ones enormous at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
The thing is, what Melbourne has done is despite sort
of being in the window in previous years, they've still
gone to the draft and picked up a lot of
first round has traded into the first round of recent drafts.
So West Coast, though, I reckon we've had this discussion
for the past two or three years. When is rock bottom?
When does the actual rebuild start? And I don't know
if rock Bottom has Has rock Bottom been hissed now?

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Well it should have been last year. But the problem
is this is a little bit of a surge last year. Yeah,
I know that was and that was what makes this
even worse. Right, you have that combined with I know
they traded out Baras as well, but bringing in some
mature age players. The vibe of that is okay, we're
actually going to try and be somewhat competitive most weeks,
like being like North Melbourne is being this year. And

(19:14):
the difference is that they took so long to make
the coach change over that a first time coach in
a first year Andrew mcault, who is always going to
have some difficulties implementing the game plan with a new group,
and particularly when they're out of form. The veteran players
maybe aren't at their absolute peak of passion for playing
every single week, which you can understand because you're going

(19:34):
out there and expecting to be thumped. So it's almost
more depressing this year. So it's vibe wise this might
be rock bottom and they don't have the excuse of
an enormous list of injuries like they have the last coup.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
No, that's probably the most concerning thing. So what is
it post season now? Skeeter Oscar Allen out of contract?
The AFL just released the official list of restricted and
unrestricted free agents, Oscar Allen topping that list of restricted
free agents. Then Harley Reid is still contracted for another
year after this year. But Victorian clubs are circling and

(20:06):
it feels like are gaining more confidence that he might
leave even at the end of this year. If you're
West Coast, are you aggressive in trying to get rid
of those players now knowing that Allen is probably going
to get you a very early compensation pick and Harley
Reid is going to get you a gold mine.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, I'd let I'd let Oscrawlan go. I'd let him
go to whatever club he wants, because you're going to
get well, well, whichever one he wants to go to.
Either way he's going to get they're going to get
banned once they'll get a first round pick, which will
be after what pick one or pick two? Yep, So
I don't people sometimes you're like, why why isn't West
Coast fighting to keep him? Sometimes if you almost have
to reverse it and go why would they if they

(20:41):
don't really believe that he's their guy and that his
body is not durable and that they've got question marks
over his body and his continuity. Then if someone said
to you, do you want pick two? You take it
as a trade. You have to think of it as
a trade.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Basically.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, if you think of it as a trade, just
don't match the offer. Let him go and you'll get
pick to or pick three. I know, and you can't
really come out and say that, but I feel like
if I was West Coast, I'd be going, well, go
for it, like it's not really you know, thanks for
the service and.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Probably similar atit you to what North Melbourne had a
couple of years ago with Ben McCoy.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Exactly, Yeah, exactly, that's why you're not You're not low
balling them. You're giving them as much as you're willing
to pay, and what you're willing to pay is not
top dollar.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah, and Oscar Allen wants success. He wants to play
for a club that is competing in contention, he wants
he wants to wings the get paid well wherever he goes.
I just feel like there's no real reason for him
to or for the Eagles to stay together. It just
seems like this is this would be a perfect I
know he's the captain and whatnot, but it doesn't to me. Again,
I'm not a former player. I don't know what the

(21:43):
captains is different or whatnot. It doesn't really that part
doesn't phase me.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
The Harley Rei question is more interesting because there is
an argument that trading trying to trade him out earlier
is better because of the looming specter of Tasmania. Yep,
because getting your picks into this draft, maybe not this
year's draft is very compromise, very very cool. Just talked
about all the Brisbane and Gold Coast Academy players.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
And there's three Sydney Academy players on top of that
as well. And don't forget where's Wally, Yes, Where's Who's
should be West West Coast tired, next generation.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Academy, very exciting. Where is he there? He is? Yes,
So it would make some sense to get him read
maybe in the twenty twenty six trade period at the
end of the contract. That's probably a reasonable stint to
expect him to stay anyway as a Victorian going to
that club when that talk was always going to be coming.
But I still wouldn't be pushing him out because he's
so talented. I sort of feel like he definitely fits

(22:33):
your timeline.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, he fits the tire. So he's not like Oscarl
like he fits now, like he's the guy you want
to be on your list. I just I feel like
West Coast are already too far into this to give
up on Harley and say well, he's going to go home,
because then you why pick him in the first place. Now,
we're trying this time last year to resigning, and they're
still trying now.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
They're still try very hard. So they clearly don't want
to force him out or make him go or get
picked early. They're saying, hey, we don't want to do
what North did. When Jason horn france Is asked out.
North basically had they're rebuild partially delayed a year because
of that. They had the horn Franci's pick basically went
into the next year and they had two top five
picks the year after he went.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
I guess it just depends on how far gone he
is in terms of what he wants to do. If
you know that he's like, if he's a ninety percent
chance of leaving, then cut the cord and do it.
But if he's not, if he can be, if he's
like fifty to fifty or sixty forty, and you need
to just make a judgment corn that with speaking with
his manager and speaking with people around him and backing

(23:33):
yourself in to be able to retain him, then go
for him because he's an important player and keep.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Him even if he is leading to go. You offer
him as much money as you can, because that's as
much as he's going to get elsewhere. You don't have
to pay anyone else. You're a terrible team right now,
so you may as well offer him, you know, one
point five to one point six front loaded. You know,
see if you can turn his head, get him to stay,
and then if he does want to trade later, he's
still gonna be worth a lot of money unless he
turns into a pumpkin.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Thank you pumpkin.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Right, that's quite literal strong player hope not the strong
player movement theme to finish our first seven here in
the Fox Footy Podcast, and will start with a player
movement theme in this and now on.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
The Fox Footy Podcast.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Another strong edition of Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Big edition of Fair of Fast coming up, Zeeda.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
When are they not?

Speaker 4 (24:18):
There's always big dditions, never gone Fair and Fast. You
always go to a big edition.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
It's like three sixty if you look on the ticker,
it's always a monster episode tomorrow The.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Boy who Cried Big Edition.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
The odds of Kaisai Pickett leaving the Demons just shortened
across the past week.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
That's that's it's more likely and speak if you don't
speak betting.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Thank you, I would I would say, oh, I don't
know if they've shortened. I just think he doesn't doesn't
seem like he wants to stay at Melbourne like he
wants to go. I would say that the odds are
him going to w A have probably shortened right as
opposed to essay, even though they would probably deny that.
I just think he's obviously he moved away from a

(25:01):
South Australian manager, moved to a WA manager this week.
He've been thinking about it for quite a while. Ultimately
he decided, yeah, I want to be with the w
A manager and obviously just increases the speculation and he's
probably going to try and head to the WA. Quentin Narkle,
his partner is sisters with Kazi Pickett's partner. I think

(25:21):
his cousin plays for Fremantle as well. There are a
lot of links to the doctors and now WA manager.
It just seems like it's perfectly poised to him to
go to Free at the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
And if you're Melbourne, that's something you would consider doing.
If you're going into a bit of a tail spin
as well, although he's obviously one of your better young players.
But if someone wants to give you some draft assets
right now, it's not the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
I feel like where Melbourne are at now, that's probably
the biggest How many should Melbourne try and just push
out the door or you know, say sure, if you
want to go, go.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
If we can facilitate it reasonably.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Christian Clayton, like Christian and Clayton now are really fascinate
him because if they're in this, it depends are they
completely gone as a club Like this said window.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Done, feels like it's yeah very much now yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Right, so then on five go now do it now
before again, before Tassy comes in. Just do what you
not that what you should have done last year, but
do what circumstances have changed. Is obvious where you're right now.
If you get a new coach and you want to
sort of refresh, then Clayton and Christian will get you
a lot of draft capital. You could they could have

(26:28):
like they could have a monopoly on the first round
of the draft. If cozy Christian Clayton go. Problem would be.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Of course, that it's not quite the same as Richmond
doing it because it's not so strong of a draft. Yeah,
that's always the timing is a bit awkward. Yeah, so
you're not going to force it quite as heavily.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, Max, if they hadn't already, Adelaide fans now have
a genuine right to delve deep into umpire conspiracy theories,
fair or fast, just.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Because the free kick count in the second half.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
And the launch very controversial decision as well the mark.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yes, okay, there was a bad call. I don't know
that we'd call that a conspiracy. And I noticed that
our the Fox Footy graphics going to the fourth quarter
about Adelaide's close game performance had Crows robbed. I don't
know every close game is a robbery, you know. I
wouldn't say that. I know I'm missed a close games,
but that's not what I thought it as. No, I
just think that was a game where that situation happened.

(27:21):
Geelong was seemed to have a lot more energy in
the second half. Maybe they were first of the ball
and thus getting more free kicks. Maybe these things happened.
Maybe there were some bad calls that went against the Crows.
I think most people agree that they were but these
things happen. It's unfortunate that the same bad things keep
happening to the same club. But they have very reasonably
said in all their public statements. Look, this really sucks,

(27:43):
but it's just how it works sometimes.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Not much else he can say. Unfortunately, certainly officially it will. Yes, Zita,
there was no need to find Bailey Smith, Fear or Fast.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
I don't mind the back and forth between players and fans.
It doesn't bother me. So I don't even the Harley
like I don't. I wouldn't if I was running the AFL,
I wouldn't find them. But I'm not running the AFL.
Probably for a good reason.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Probably correct that would be that'd be bankrupt.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Probably we probably need to stop players from giving fans
of the finger.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Does it make a difference, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's more about the the not the vibe.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Does it make any difference optics that this was less
public it was down the race compared to being on
the field in the middle of the game.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
There's any difference a little, But it came out anyway,
so it was equally as public. In the end. The
worst part about it was the please explain, Yeah, that stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Is just like just find them or don't find them.
You don't context, why did you give? There's not any
sort of context that I can't think of a gesture
less in need of an explanation than the literal rude finger.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
The only time would be if the context was what
the fans said was so bad that even the AFL
gets found me.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
What the fan said that Patrick jania Field was very
It was very bad. According to Channel nine's Rory Sloane,
Yes he said it was. It was repulsive. It was
really bad what he said. But the BFI still find
him so clearly not propulsive enough.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Mean, it's a thousand dollars like, but just makes that
from cotton on every week.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
It doesn't that stuff like you bother me. I don't
mind to me, that's the and it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Max gather Around has to stay in Adelaide long term,
fair or fasts.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I think it's fair. I was. I've been on the
camp of yeah, w A could do it and that'd
be cool as well, But then reading more about it
and thinking more about it, you can't really drive to
Pertha from anywhere.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Can try?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I mean you can, but it's you You might get
stuck in the middle of nowhere, So I would advise
against it.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
What about the theory that when Tasmania comes into the competition,
you do it in Tasmania.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, that's that's an okay option.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
You can't drive to Tasmania, well you can correct, you know,
you can't drive onto the boat factually incorrect.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
If you can drive onto the Spirit of Tasmania trank
you yea. Fairies are important part of our public transports system.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Do you imagine how much Tonania so that plane price County?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Surely surely even then the Spirit of Tazzy would not
be selling out, Like, who is actually taking that?

Speaker 4 (30:07):
You serious? People love taking the Spirit of Tasmania, do they?
That's pretty popular. It's pretty popular.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
But didn't they move it to like Geelong?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
They did?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yes, surely it's less popular now. Drives to Geelong first,
Just go to Geelong.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
I don't agree with you. I think it's a very
popular way to get to Tasmania.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
I think people would prefer to take planes most of
the time.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Some people just think it's cheaper to get on the boat.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I mean, is it, I don't know, shuman Jet stuff
like would be cheaper because you are stuck in and
basically a coffin as compared to a giant boat. Can't
bring your car on a plane, that'd be expensive.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
That's true. What are you looking up of?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
TASMANI moved to Geelong primarily due to the need for
a new purpose built terminal with enhanced passenger and freight facilities.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yes, I mean you need the right because more passengers
and freight are coming onto the boat.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Because Port Melbourne had become outdated.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I think it's it's not hazard ever, I think it's
the capacity for that, not that. And also I think
they're I imagine there was a level of this is
a governmental decision and it supports Geelong and shures up
that meant that marginal seat by moving.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yes, that's like the scoreboards in Gelong, isn't that the
extensive scoreboard? Pork Barrel Park, pork Barrel Park? Very good?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
As they say, Zena, the AFL coaching fraternity has never
been more disenfranchised with the way they're treated fair or fast.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Well, there has to be fair, ben because we've heard
several coaches speak out about it and aren't happy.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
It's got very vocal, last, very vocal.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Brad Scott yes, good question. Yeah, very vocal from Brad
scott Man.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
The one about Beyonce I thought went a bit too far.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
That was meant to be off camera.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Well it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
I was on It was on Bounce. Was it actually?

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I miss that was it?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Really it was?

Speaker 4 (31:46):
I said to him, it's not going to air. It
annoys me because I said I didn't want that to
be on camera. I just was interested in his opinion.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Take it up with Brad. I will take it up
with Bratt and Jason Dunstall and the chief chieftain because
he makes all the calls, he's got, he runs, does the.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Rundowns, and he still insists on calling me his z man,
which is a horrible.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
It's the best thing that he has ever done. Man.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
But we'll just now, maybe what was the thing they're coaching?
I think that's fair, Yes, fair. There's a lot of
people who are unhappy with the treatment they're getting from
AFI House, the funding they're getting from AFI House, and
the way the soft cap and the way the amount
of money put into coaching. They think it's completely out
of whack with the amount of work the coaches do.

(32:26):
And as Brad said, he's scared that players won't take
up coaching anymore post career, and the whole what is
every senior coach currently a former player?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Chris Fagan isn't Chris apart.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
From Chris Fagan. So like you need formal players, that's
the pathway. That's the pathway. So I'll be very alarmed
because it seems like they're obviously working on it. Laura
Kane said as much when she was asked about it
and at gather around at the Brossa. I think they were.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Really working on it. They should just raise the soft
cap back to what it wants.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
I don't know. I don't. Yeah, I don't understand what
the whole I don't genuinely don't.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I'm not being facetia, so maybe I should, Maybe I
should know more about this. The soft cap is just
what the club pays that right, So if the club
has that money, they can pay up to the soft
capital it.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yes, like they can go over the limit. Then they
pay a tax on all of that.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, And so if you're a West Coast or Collingwood,
you should absolutely be doing that every year and paying
as much as possible using your riches to be a
stronger club. It makes all the sense in the world.
But yeah, I don't understand. Like COVID, I know, we
cut it back like it was like ten million to
six million or something, and now it's back up to
seven million in the soft cap and that includes senior
coach and all the assistants and all the off field staff. Right,
there's no reason for it to be that low. The

(33:34):
AFL is making money again, We're not during COVID times, surely.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah, I don't. I don't understand why there's such a
lag on it. And I don't know a group of
people who work harder than coaches and assistant coaches, like
they work their backsides off. So I just think they
need to be compensated fairly for what the work they do.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
I'd be worried if the coaches are literally being disenfranchised
because the election's coming up and that means they can't vote. Yes,
because that's what that word means.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yes, Thank you, Max Live there enrolled last one. Rory
Lobb is out of control fair or fast?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
No, I love it, it's great. I don't know what
is fair or fast the reaction to that that I
mean fast. He's in control of the best hair in
the a f L. He's got wolf Wolf, he wrote,
and in his hair he had blonde hair with red
and blue wolf Wolf and it's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Who cares if he's like, yeah, it's great, don't worry
about it.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
If he was, if anyone actually criticizing.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
It, he was more in the walk. If he wasn't walking.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
The wall, he's still playing pretty well.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
He's playing. Well.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Look, I don't care if he's playing. Let him do
what he wants. It's his hair. Yes, you don't know
his hair. Let him do what he wants to it.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
But we can see his hair.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
And he can't, so it's on us.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
No, it's fine. I wonder what Kevin she would have
to say about this.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I don't think he wrote about it, unfortunately, but I
will have to ask him sometime.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Mediocrity, what's it called?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Is that the Essendon story?

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Davis let into it?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
We do flip the mail bag for the mail bag?
All right, well here's this seed.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Sheedy Ken we go, Kevin, Kevin, that's what you heard
before if you listen to the podcast. Unlike David, I.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Don't listen to this thing. Kevin Sheedy, I better this
in what I want here without you.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
That is correct. That's why the conversations are so difficult.
This book from nineteen ninety six, written by Kevin Sheedy,
My Birth You, assisted by Tom Pryor. I think that's
what inspired him to write the book, actually My Ending Birth,
knowing that you were coming into this world.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Wing that Margaret and Tony were getting busy with it.
Well that would have been nine months earlier, December twenty,
so they would go in ninety six, you can see
me in March, March madness.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yes, big college basketball, Yes, you call you, get on.
Here's what she's just to say this week.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Take your shot, yep on.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
No to read the book, shety paused, shrugged, laughed, and
tried to stare me down. Fortunately I was wearing reading glasses.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
That's the authors.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
So this is like narrator, Well, yeah, there's a narrator
through a lot of these chapters, all the.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Ones you've read so far. I've missed last two weeks,
but extreams of contest and now.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
It goes back into the direct quotes. Yeah, it's like
a it's like a good AFL three sixty right off,
where ninety percent of the story.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Is quotes, linking lines. Yeah, very good, so I continue.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Good journalism on your Sheety says. The first actually important
person I saw apart from my mother was also a woman,
the Queen, he said, suddenly enthused. The Queen herself, Queen
Elizabeth coming down Chapel Street and Pryan to meet Australians,
part of the best of her colonies. You don't know

(36:58):
much as a kid, but I always the Queen was fantastic.
I still do. One of the latest women on the
world scene is Madonna. What a total difference from the Queen.
That has been the story of my life forty years later,
from seven or eight to forty seven or forty eight.
Change the ideals we were taught have changed. And no

(37:19):
matter what happened around the house in the days of
Father knows Best, it was what you learned and believed
that count. And then he talks about being a Catholic
and I'm not going to read that bit.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
So doesn't feel like Kevin is going to be a
big Australia Republic kind.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Of Yeah, I feel like Kevin pro monarchy. Yeah, I
feel like Kevin's not really voting for change.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I mean, he would have got to vote in the referendum,
and I think we know how he would have.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
I think we can comfortably say how Kevin she voted
in the referendum.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Big fan. Why was the queen on Chapel Street.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Well, she obviously came here once, did she.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Trying to get some vapes?

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Why was shew?

Speaker 3 (37:53):
That's there?

Speaker 4 (37:54):
So he said he saw his mum and then the
only other woman that was amazing to him was the
the next.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
The most important person he saw in his life was
the queen. So like seven or eight, the queen. He
saw no important women between the ages of zero and
seven or eight. That's an anti teacher, Kevin she Vin.
You can't you can't say that that's Kevin's. Yeah, it
hasn't aged well the pockets of greatness?

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Has it?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Oh you've missed some of the stuff that age worse.
Oh really, you should go back and listen to the podcast.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
No, that won't be how won't be doing that?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's now times for this segment.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Another one on the Fox Foody podcast. It's time to
open up the mail bag. Have a question for the panel.
Tweet us every Monday morning at Fox Footy.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Another one.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
DJ Carleid.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yes, all I do is read read read your old
questions in the mail bag that you tweet in and
then we read them out. So there was one about
West Coast from Miles Brown. We have chatted about the
Eagles late Brown, thank you for that. Damien asks Jammian,
why have the AFL looked after Gold Coast so much?
With a vick string?

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Stamien Barrett Actually Stamian barrettsas question beaten fifteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
This week play sixteenth. Make what you want of the
Adelaide win still have question mark, question mark question mark
over them. Why haven't they been drawn to play A
grade teams on the MCG because they never are.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
They never go there.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I don't they finish in the bottom third of the
ladder last year.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
That's they get the the easy draw.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
And keep in mind the should have also played Essdon
who are thirteenth, so they should have also had another
bad team. Yes, I think the argument about this is
odd because by definition that means they've got a hard
fixture coming up, right, Like they've played all the bad
teams first and now they got a hard run. Like sure,
maybe you might build some momentum or confidence in a
winning streak, but you sure got to beat the good

(39:40):
teams to actually play finals. It's a weird conspiracy for me. Yes,
Mark Ward says Mark war No, but he does work
for the company Glance.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Marc wore good? What leg Glance? Sorry? Who is Niche?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Who is he looking at?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
He's looking to behind the squid?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
No Hawks fan him? Should there be more scrutiny on Ginny?
Not the character from Harry Potter? I presumed the small forward.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
That was random act she ended up with Harry because
there was.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
No spoilers haven't gone to it yet.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
It was roundwork late for it because she was with
what was her name, uh Rupert Grint No, No, not her,
that was her brother.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Chow yeah Cho yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Matthew Richardson. And then it didn't work out, which I
found been like that one. I just and then the
thing with Choe just ended so random.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
With Neville Cho No, Neville Ginny.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I don't know, but I just found that weird.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
It was too handsome for that actor.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
She just they just ended up together. Just seemed forced
in my opinion. Whom I'm not that I'm to speaking
of people who love the Republic JK. That you're the
Rowling not the Simmons variety.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Of course, of course the eminem Your only problem with
j K Rowling is the way that she handled Ginny,
and as I say, there's she's yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
She's certainly got some controversial.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Speaking of Jack Ginavan, he seems to be lack of
confidence and just going through the motions a bit. We
desperately need Deer and Lewis back in.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
He didn't have a great game, But I think small
forwards it sounds like the key forward here. This is
what that the guys sort of break this down a
little bit post game on the hostings of Port Adelaide
Hawthorne is that they the key forward stocks seem like
a bit more of an issue for Hawthorne than the small's.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Definitely at the moment it's been a very good crop
of small forwards. That just that's an inconsistent role by definition.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, and I think yeah, Nick Watson is a much
more talented player than what Ginevan is, and I think
Ginevan does rely a fair bit on others around him
to have good games. He's obviously can be a good
pressure forward if needed, but when Marbi or Chollis is
not very competitive like what he was on Sunday night,
I think Hawthorne do get quite exposed in that sense,

(41:56):
And yeah, no, Mitch, Mitch.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Lewis Marbi or Troll is not Premiership teams number one
key for target and that's not how the Hawks are built.
So they need dearback. They need Lewis back ideally, although
he's had a couple of sort of interrupted years so
that hurts. Finally, Hayden Henderson asks, is the top eight
set already?

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Joey? This is Joey.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Joey wanted to Joey.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
He loves how early he always goes early.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
On the top and talks about it. So let me
list you the top eight right now. I'm just looking
at Brisbane Coast.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
They're in g w S.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
They're in Collingwood, yes, Hawthorne, yes, Geelong yes, Adelaide Yes.
Fremantle not sold on safe to say the bottom two
of the more questionable ones. I think I think.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Three is starting to Yeah, yeah, I think you just
look at the ones who aren't in there. So you
got Sydney.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Sydney can make it.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Saint Kilda maybe we're running off Port? Are we're running
off Port?

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I was last week? I probably should keep doing the dogs.
Dogs can dogs definitely I think the Dogs are the
best team out of the About.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
The Blues, No, probably not.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Okay, so they missed the eight I think so. Yeah,
Melbourne's not making it. Yes, I don't know who comes in.
Sydney is the one that would come in.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Sydney and the Dogs are the two strongest contenders to
come in from They need to get their players back
in a hurry. So Sydney is dealing with way, way,
way more injuries already than they did for all of
last year. That's like so much of the difference between
this year and last year. You get some injury luck,
it works out for you.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
That's the mail bad.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
We didn't answer Hayden's question, but we talked about it.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah. Tips and Cups time. Big Easter weekend Brisbane and
Collingwood on Thursday night for the Patrick Carnese's Cup.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Of course Brisbane because this is at the Gabah, Brisbane.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Good Friday, North Melbourne and Carlton for the Digby Morrell Cup.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Morrell what a name. It's a great name, isn't it.
Dig me more than morell dig b Yeah, Digby Right,
that's what I said.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
You said.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
You said something else?

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Calling your child Digby?

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Do you Digby? I wouldn't run with Digby?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
No? Are you not from the eighteen fifties.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
It's a real gold rush name, Digby big So I'm
just trying to figure out what it's a weird name.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Carlton.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Surely Carlton like North.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
It would not surprise me if this game is close, right,
North Melbourne is absolutely bal competitive this year?

Speaker 4 (44:23):
What are you doing? Why are you laughing?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
This is bold to swap the D and the b
ran on Digby? What you were trying to do there?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Well, it's just it's just so open to it.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yes, grow up, David.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
If you said Digby, what do you think it's?

Speaker 3 (44:36):
It's that is not what I first said.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
We were all different, aren't we?

Speaker 3 (44:41):
What's the next game?

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Next game?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Who wins out of North Elburne, Carlton, West Coast and
Essendon for the Michael Pryor Cup from the West Coast Friday.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Friday Night Footy Coast far from good Essendon.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Essendon, Melbourne and Fremantle Viv Mitchie Cup Saturday.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Oh yes, here also also a lot of vivs. Nowadays,
there's not a cricket more a cricket.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Name that's from the nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Sore you go Fremantle, Yes, Freemantle.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Adelaide Giants. Is this game of the round? Oh no, No,
John Hawthorne on second Jackson Hately Cup up for grabs
here of course.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Not the James Peedling Cup because he's suspended playing well yeah,
technically he's Yeah, because they're not playing in the game,
so it's eligible to be the Peedland Cup.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
That is the eligibility rule.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
It's like the Rising slightly more obscure. Curly Hampton was
stiff as.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
That's I almost prefer that I might go the Crows. Oh,
playing at home, I think they need du a bounce back.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
You're a number one on the Giants bamd wagon.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah, but that's to win the flag, not to win
this week.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
The Crows entirely, I guess the top eight team on
the road. They could definitely lose.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Richmond and Gold Coast game Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
The biased AFL fixture continues with the Goal Coast being
gifted another win.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Is this Damien Harbor having to travel to Marvel Stadium
as a Gold Coast coach? This is against Richmond?

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Is this very MCG technically against Richmond?

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Yes, as the Gold Coast coach. Isn't it less travel
to go to Marvel? Wouldn't it be closer to the airport.
I don't know than the MCG Well, it's certainly easy
to get the skybus.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Do you think Davian Harbick's getting the skybus.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
They're going to the hotel first, and then you get the.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Skybus to the like the station, and then you get
the tram depending on where.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Think they're getting public transport?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Because they're too important, they can make too much money.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
A biased ayfl not making the Suns tap public transport.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
I'm tipping Gold Coast.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I'd Coast Sydney important. The skybus Sydney in Port Adelaide,
Campbell Heath Cup Sunday afternoon, Yes, delayed Sunday. There's only
two games on Sunday. This is at twenty past three
Australian Eastern Senate time.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yes, the seven news time slot Sydney, Sydney.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Western Bulldogs and Sint Kilda. They're trying out the Easter
Sunday night time slot here.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Random two Sunday nights in a row out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
We just need the Labor Day y slot and then
we've got basically all the slots covered.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
There.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
There are some other weird time slots like w A
day is coming out, so there's like a I.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Think yes, and the Suns and the Lines play a
Sunday Night Q class because it's a public call out
of the next day Pine of a grapple please Nyunchimes,
dowsh the Harney slot, good dogs and Saints Dogs.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Yeah, it's a good game.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
This is another good game.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Bond should be back. That's so that's a big inn.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
If two and three, even though the lost to Brisbane
was annoying because they gave up a big lead two
and three in the period without Bond, I think it's
a ticky.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I think it's a win.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah, I think it's a win.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, good take that.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
And they almost beat Collingwood.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Also also they're two and three for the fourth year
in a row. They are the exact same team again.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
And then Easter Monday. This has been a large class
for many years, but this is his takes on extra
significance continuing considering the key credentials of both teams. David
Load's Cup up for grabs between Geelong and Hawthorne.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
This was actually two years ago this game was seventeenth v.
Eighteenth Yes, because the Cats were zip and three and
down the bottom and the Hawks were bad. That was
the weird game where it was like three goals too
at halftime and the Cat's won by eighty. That's right.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Last year was weird because we had the lightning delay.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Correct weird stuff in these matchups. This is a classic,
as a Geelong fan, emotional hedge game where I tip Hawthorn.
So I'm happy either way.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
And speaking of weird games. A few years ago, didn't
we have the umpire descent? Really it's ugly head When
one of the Hawthorne players pointed at this.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Oh yes, yeah, Dame pointed the score board made or
something scoreboard. Yeah. I will go for Geelong in that match.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Even if the Hawks lose. They've got a bunch of
easy games coming up, so not the worst thing in
the world.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Notice, having you back on the.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Podcast, that's going to be I'm happy. Hopefully I've added something.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Or Cat will actually listen this week. She said she does.
She's only going to listen to the shows with you
on them. There's too much footy talk on the other ones.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Well, that's why I just try to because every other
podcast is very just footy, so try and mix it
up a bit for everyone.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
And she likes John Lungbay, so she would have liked
all those references. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.

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