Fox Footy Podcast: Triple Tribunal treat as finals race splits in two

Max Laughton, Ben Waterworth and Will Faulkner review Round 18 and preview Round 19 of the 2025 AFL season on the Fox Footy Podcast, with breakdowns of the crucial results for the finals race across the weekend plus the three Tribunal cases that emerged, Fair or Farce, the Mailbag, Sheeds' Wisdom and much more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's a triple tribunal treat week with three cases to
be heard in three hours. Supposedly we have to get
excited about something for the Race for the eight and
the Race for the Wooden Spoon. Even aren't the most
appetizing right now, especially if you're a Sydney fan for
their brave win against Sydney A Saint Kilda rather seems
ultimately all for nothing. We'll have the run home State

(00:38):
of Play, plus all your favorite regular segments F or F,
mailbag sheets, tips cups. It's all coming up on the
Fox Footy Podcast. Ben Waterworth with you, as is the
Lord of the report Card, Max Lordon. Hello MAXI, Why
am I?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
The Lord of the report report.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Card goes through Max before publishing, so this is we
go inside the editorial process the WhatsApp. So whoever's on
Monday morning sends it to the WhatsApp group so that
I can pick holes in all of the grades. Oh well,
everyone picks holes in it. I think you're a chief
hole picker, though.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I would say so, I've been known that for chief
help officers. Back to COVID time, it's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Good afternoon to Brett Sutton if he's listening and also
joining us. Is the man hopeful to get on the
schnitz sort o tonight? Will Forkner?

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Hello, Fork I'm more than hopeful, Ben, afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Everyone need to get the card off you, Ben before
you go to I reckon, Yes, work that out exciting times.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yeah, just three tribe wings.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Can't waste five pm, six pm, No, seven pm.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
No, it's I have to assume that someone new has
done the match review, press release and pick those times
because there is no world in which I don't think
any tribunal hearing has ever lasted an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So Riley Beveridge wrote a great piece on AFL Media
breaking down how the chairercase in particular will be broken
down and skill spend a little bit of time on
this because it's unique. It's the first time with the
umpire contact crackdown that a player has been referred director
of the tribunal. Riley reported that it's in a two
step process. The first part will be determined whether he

(02:10):
is guilty of umpire contact from Thursday night he bumped
into robbo' gorman the umpire in the Carlton Brisbane game.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
And he could also plead guilty, he could.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Play guilty, So that would be a very quick step
one of the two step process. And then what happens
is in the second step is that the jury is
then shown the previous three incidents in the past two
years in involving Adam Chayrah, and then they come to
a sanction from that. But as Jared Waiteley said on
three Pot sixty last night, if it's just for an
extra two grand, couldn't they have done it themselves.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
In this way with the two step process. This is
exactly like the mushroom trial. So it's good to know
that by borrowing from True Crime heading into the Mushroom
tril podcast, Well, I mean, if we want to be popular,
I think that's what we need to start talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Let's be real.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
So it really shouldn't take that long. They should say, oh, yeah,
I did make contact with him, because clearly I did,
Like you can't argue that, and then okay, I'll take
a seven and a half grand fine instead of three.
You know, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Not what the tribe. I know they want to try
and make a statement, but it's not what the tribunal
is designed for.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Surely you're going to have detailed, lawyer based arguments over
whether someone's fine seven or five grand.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Isn't that why they brought in written submissions?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
You would have thought so.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
So it's like they're trying to make it seem serious
and dramatic and you're in trouble mister, and they're just
telling him to go to his room.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I think Zeena's frustration might get to an all time
high on Tuesday night.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
And we've got so we've got three complex ones too,
because we've got the bump one yep with being hit
by Zach Bailey, and then we've got this Christian cherry
three weeks. Even though it's careless conduct sort of situation you.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Saw it live fork being you immediately thought he's in
a bit of strife.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Unfortunately, it's just one of those ones where the action,
I mean, Tommy was knocked out clean cold, which I
don't think is ever a good place to start with
something like that. I think, yeah, I think I think
it was pretty careless. But I don't think anyone doubts
that Cherry was doing anything other than trying to hit
the ball. But it was just a classic clumsy ruckman
who wasn't like earlier this year we saw one a

(04:08):
ruckman was suspendab well.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I know Connor Nash got one which was sort of similar.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Weeks Jared described that as the Connor Nash one as
callous and then that Cherry, yeah, hit it nicely into
the three week careless credit.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Ca definitely worse and I think there has to be
some sort of punishment because you just need to be
more careful effectively. Three weeks sounds harsh. It's the same
routine we've gone through, but that's the concussion. That's what
it needs to be.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Were you surprise North challenged it, though, considering there they've
had the failed bids with Jackson Archer and Paul Curtis
earlier in the year.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
The mistake was challenging the Archer one. I think from
memory was that that was a bump that was that
was a bit of a weird case. Very maybe they
had a chance on that, but you can understand, like, look,
it doesn't matter if they win the next three games.
But this is a thing of Hey, Christian Cherry, you're
one of our most important players. You're not going to
get in all Australia, not if you get suspended for
three weeks. Like that's the difference between being the starting
ruck very well being at the bench like that. Genuinely,

(05:02):
relationship management with the player is the reason you would
challenge this.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Do you think you'll be done by eleven pm?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I mean I'll be leaving at eleven pm, so I
might be leaving ze behind.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
He would really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Before we get into the important footy chat. Just an
important question that the count from my weekend. So I
went away for the weekend, very nice time. Still had
to watch Essendon Richmond, so it wasn't all good Sunday morning,
but we were wait in Beachworth in the northeast Victoria.
I did yes, yes, I wrote part of Run Home
at that bakery. It's a good time. But Sunday morning,

(05:37):
the family of my girlfriend who I was there with
decided that we wanted to go to the pub before
we drove home. That all made sense, but we went
to the pub at eleven am. Is that too early
to go to the pub. You're not sitting there drinking
watching footy, you know, certainly not that early either.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Probably depends what the end goal is there.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
So this is for a meal, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
It's as early. I can't imagine they'd been accepting orders
before eleven, or the kitchen wasn't open. You got there
and it wasn't open. It was open eleven thirty. Yeah,
that it was very cold. It might speak to how
ambitious it was to have just a feed beforehand. I
think eleven thirty fair game. I don't know why. Something
about eleven just makes it feel a little bit early.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Eleven is definitely morning. Eleven thirty is you could get
peckishing lunch top you're at your desk. Yeah, okay, I
just need to Listennity check on that, because everyone was like,
oh no, we'll go to the pub at eleven.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
What are they serving alcohol?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I think so it was a brewery, so lovely spot.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Maybe they were doing it to help you so drown
sorrows from a Saturday. It didn't quite go your way, Max,
with the dogs losing and the giants winning.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
What are you suggesting that that, well, we.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Didn't quite go to plan for you're tipping, but your
sort of narratives.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Okay, Well the Dogs, yeah, they're apparently they're just pure
frauds defensively at least. And the Giants top nine against
the top nine, Yes, I still have to keep coming
back to. So the Dogs, we're going to have this
stat all week until they beat a contender. It's going
to come up. They're one and seven against the top nine.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
That's a problem. Which is the which is thirteenth on
the top nine ladder.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yes, which is sure. We're getting so many ladders deep
it's getting ridiculous. But their percentage is roughly the same
in those games as Hawthorne and Gold Coast and the
other teams that have got like three and five records roughly,
so that speaks to they're getting close to a lot
of these teams. They're just not getting over the line.
So there's still like a glimmer of hope. I think

(07:21):
back to like the Collingwood game, but they didn't have
Bond and they still lost by a kick. Collingwood wasn't
fully formed into this juggernault they are right now at
that time. But still there have been some okay results
and if we're going to talk about the finals race,
it's interesting how it's sort of. It doesn't look like
it on the ladder because it's six teams tied on
eleven wins. But I think we're already split into two.
I think we're already split into a top four race

(07:43):
and then a race for fourteen wins in the bottom half.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
The quirky is that a lot of the bottom half
of the eight can still make the top four.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Though they can, but it's just much more unlikely because
a I think those teams aren't as good, but it's
because of their draws. So you look at Hawthorne and Frio,
six games left, three should wins, three pretty hard wins,
like Hawthorne in particular, Like they've got three games they
ship and I think it's port and tazzy this weekend Carlton,
maybe Melbourne, but then they've got to play Adelaide away,
Brisbane away Collingwood at the g three of the hardest

(08:12):
games you could possibly play right now.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
So how'd you feel fork reading the run home on
Sunday night and seeing Adelaide predicted to finish inside the
top two.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I think it's entirely possible.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Now.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
I think it's a two horse race between them and
the Cats. Which I don't think is saying anything too
Outland is.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
So Brisbane won't finish top two fewers.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Brisbane might be the second best team, but their drawer
is just so much harder.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, I think to go with Max. I don't necessarily
think the Crows are that much better than Brisbane or Geelong,
but just scheduling wise, and they're run home as Max
dies into very well every week. Like I think they're
a good, genuine shot. Geelong obviously has a much or
not much. They have a considerably easier drawer than the.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Crows, easiest in the camp and it's like their average
percentage of their opponents is like eighty percent terror Like
basically they're playing slightly better than North every week.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, they're probably in the proverbial box seat without having
snatched it, if that makes sense. Like it's almost theirs
to lose from here, Like they have to slip up
for Gelong to probably jump them, but I do think
that will happen. So they're in a very good spot. Adelaide,
it was a great game on Saturday over there. I
was there covering for Fox Doors, foxsports dot Com a you,

(09:23):
and it was Yeah, it was a very good match.
I Yeah, the abuse takeaway was the Big three holding up,
which is something I've been very big on. I know
some people have been very outspoken about that, but I
think it worked well. Taylor Walker had a pretty bang
average first quarter, but sort of it worked after that.
And the big thing for them is their separation going forward.
They never run into each other and that has been

(09:44):
analyzed on Fox Fiddy last and it has been.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
It has been analyzed since the start of the year
as well. It's something they've been doing all year and
there's a lot of the doubt has continue to come
about whether the three keys can still work, but that
hasn't changed that. They have this incredible chemistry between the three.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
And I think is why there's always one who will
come through and kick a few Like I don't think
they've had a game this year where maybe the exceptions
Hawthorne Adelaide in Yeah, the game with Yeah and maybe
gwas Satellade where that was I think ninety points combined
for the entire match. But yeah, yes, but outside of that,
they've always had one of them perform, and I think

(10:20):
part of that is just not running into each other.
And it's always so hard when you don't have three
genuine key defenders to keep all of them lockdown at once.
And that was a question I asked Bevo in the
post match I've said, I asked him, do you feel
like you were a key defender? Short? I thought they were.
I think we have someone like Leam Jones at your disposal,
who might be on the back end of his career,
but is still a very very good one on one player,
and you're coming up against Stellthorpe, Foggy and Walker. I

(10:43):
was surprised they didn't go with someone with a little
bit more experience because while James O'Donnell has had some
good moments in the last twelve eighteen months, I don't
think he's good enough to take the ranks with one
of those three. They were swapping throughout the day, but
they struggled.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
That was almost the same team on either side, except
one of them have worked out of their defense and
one of them hasn't.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
So you thought Adelaida worked out of their defense.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, they've clearly done. They've made changes from the first
three rounds. We remember they were scoring like one hundred
and fifty points. Like that game again Essendon, there was
like one hundred and sixty to one hundred. It was crazy,
but then Matthew clearly recognized, Okay, this isn't sustainable. We're
not going to outscore everyone. We need to have some
sort of defensive flow. We need to have a slightly
restricted offensive game in order to protect our defense. The
Dogs aren't doing that right now. So as soon as

(11:26):
they leak the ball into their back fifty, everyone kicks
goals because you can just do it really nearly, so
it's not necessarily a personnel thing. I don't think the
Crowst defensive personnel is amazing, very.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Good at playing their roles. Like yes, Josh Warrel, Jordan
Barts obviously went down in the first half, Mark Kean, like,
these aren't guys who when they were picked. I can't
speak for Josh Warrel, but.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
It was early sping the teams twenty but they've all.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
I think, like surpassed probably where we thought they would
be at this point in their career.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
None of them are all Australians, No, no, no, absolutely not,
Whereas at least last year the Bulldogs had a good
defense because Lob turned into an all Australian for half
a year. And now that's not happening anymore. So that's
the difference between those teams, by the way, and if
the Dogs can, they've got six weeks to try and
figure out something they need to change, some sort of
game style factor to fix their defense at these.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
And you wrote MAXI that argue with the two most
important games in the entire run home are both Bulldogs
games won against the Giants in round twenty one and
then the round twenty four clash against the Dockers.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I think that second clash Frio Dogs at Marvel very
real chance that's the Sunday afternoon game winner plays finals. Yeah,
so we see how it plays out. But effectively why
I've split the finals races into two is I think
that it's about getting to fourteen wins. You're a very
good chance of making it, but everyone could still get there.
In fact, the live ladder website live ladders dot com,

(12:43):
they do their own sort of projections. If you can
look around on the website, and they've got a point
three percent chance that someone misses with fifteen wins this year.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Someone misses with fifteen win.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
In point three percent of their simulations over the rest
of the season.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
That's not very minor chance.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
But that is but the fact that it's a chance
at all when no one's ever missed with fourteen and
no one's been missed with thirteen until last year.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
So we're getting to a point in this season, Max,
where I think we spoke about in the podcast maybe
a month ago, how like, oh, we always say that
you need fourteen wins, but it never really happens. We
at that point now or it is projecting that way, yes,
where you every.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Club has a clear path to fourteen. The Giants I
think are the safest. They're on eleven wins. They get
the Bombers this week, they're playing a VFL team, they're
resting most of their best plays. They're still going to
win quite easily. They've got North and Saint Kilda in
the last couple of weeks and then it's the Swans,
the Dogs and Sons. The Giants are good enough to
win at least one of those games, so that's fifteen wins.
They should be fine. Their percentage isn't great, but they

(13:36):
should be fine at this point. Frio gave themselves a
chance by beating Hawthorne. They still had a tough run.
They've got colling It at the g this week. They've
got Brisbane at home and the Bulldogs away in the
last couple of rounds, so maybe they're ceiling is fourteen
wins and their percentage isn't great. Hawthorne now has a problem.
I talked about their drawders before, Port Carlton and Melbourne
the should beat, but the other three you don't know.
And then the Bulldogs are ninth and they're a win back.

(14:00):
But we know they can beat bad teams, right, so
we should trust them to beat Essendon, to beat Melbourne,
to beat West Coast. That's your thirteen. They get Brisbane
this week, then they get the Giants and the Dockers
in those two games, so they lose both of those.
They're not playing finals because they're going to be stuck
on thirteen even with their incredible percentage. I just think
the numbers don't work out. But they win one of
them and then they are a better chance of catching
that team too, So that's why those two games are

(14:21):
so important.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I could be The biggest winner of the round was
Gold Coast beating Collingwood. It was a from a narrative perspective,
it was the most significant win in the club's history.
It wasn't the most convincing win, despite an incredible first
half where they kept the Pies goalless. But the Pies
kicked ten behinds before they keep the goal, And as

(14:42):
Lee Matthew said on couch last night, inaccuracy can mask
the results of a game or the narrative of a game.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
That sounds like ly Matthews understands what expected.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Scores talkings about. Didn't ask leave Rende was around the
office yesterday that he dealt into it. Expected s Yes,
Brownie said post game, all right, the Suns will play
finals now? Is that the kind of performance that you
think the Sons will play finals?

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Now?

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Eleven wins, They've got home games against Richmond and Essendon left,
They've got Carlton at Marvel Port Adelaide Oval. They're doin
three of those to play finals. Four definitely gets you in.
They're going to play finals every chance they win their
last five. So they've also got GWSN around twenty three
at home. That's a winnable. We saw how close that
was at Enji earlier this season, so they're in the

(15:29):
top four. Conversation that Essendon game now looks like it
could be the difference between the Golka Suns, making the
top four and just hosting an elimination final. That's what
the stakes could be at this point because they could
easily be playing for their sixteenth win and it's hard
to miss the top four of sixteen wins.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
And Geelong just fine. I know that we've talked about
an easy istraw coming home for them, but there was
alarm bells I think against Brisbane a couple of weeks
ago when they lost on that Friday night at home.
Brisbane were incredible that night and with a story, but
then they went down against the Giants and pretty poor
but arguably their worst performance of the season. It'll be

(16:07):
it'll be up there. Are they just fine? Or is
this again a case because we know Geelong I think
better than any other team play the season the best
in terms of trying to peek at the right time
of the year. Are you in that camp?

Speaker 4 (16:20):
I think that's really well put. They play the season
really well and this is the time of year where
they you know, they've got saing Kilda this weekend. It's
a great chance for them to get back on the
winners list and then build with some pretty good momentum
into the finals. And then it's just airplane mode if
you've ever seen it from Geelong when it hit September.
So without wanting to jinx max and argue with yourself
as well, b W No, I think they're going fine.

(16:43):
That they are they will be concerning wins for Chris Scott,
but I don't think it's not close to alarm bells.
I think it's just like as you said, Brisbane with
the story of the night down in gm HbA. It
was a very very good win and I admittedly didn't
catch much of Giants cats, but like the Giants played
pretty pretty well.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
So Cadman having another breakout games. Maybe they're not breakouts anymore,
they're just his a really good player.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
No, one hundred percent, but that is and that's why
they probably aren't the stories, because it's two really good
teams beating them. It's not them losing it and caspitulating.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
And a reminder, Delong's draws and killed her at Home
North at marvel Port, at home, isn't it at home?
Sittey away Richmond at the g you are winning five.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Of those at least, that's seventeen and this is why.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
So that's sixteen wins yeah, seventeen, all of them, if
they went all of them, Yes, seventeen's that's their ceiling. Yeah,
and if they get to seventeen, you should finish second.
There's a good chance Adelaide could still keeping five because
they've got a better percentage, although the Cats should build
some percentage in some of these games at gm HbA.
That's classic end of season Cats. Yes, long pornography exactly.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Just are you concerned, Ben.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
No, because I think because they've got a history of
playing the season well, I would.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Be slightly concerned in the fact that they are Zip
four now against the Lions and the Giants. Yeah, who
should be in September and double ups. Yes, two of
their double ups, but they're double ups. It looks like
are going to give them a top four spot when
maybe they shouldn't. And you compare it to Brisbane, it
is crazy how much harder Brisbane's draw is than Geelong's draw,

(18:15):
purely based on one of them won the flag and
the other one barely lost that prelimbit. Yeah, like Brisbane's
double ups are the hardest crop of double ups I've
ever seen in my life. The teams they're playing twice
this year Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorne, Bulldogs, Gold Coast and Sydney.
The easiest double up team they got was Sydney Sydney
who are going to finish tenth and a pretty strong tenth.

(18:37):
The Sons were their bottom six team and the Sons
are now a top four chance. So those are the
teams they're getting. And by comparison, just the fact that
Geelong got Richmond twice is bizarre. Geelong always seems to
get one of these really bad teams twice. They got
North twice a couple of times in the last few seasons.
It's just a little odd how the like I understand
the point of equalization with the fixture that I think
there's a lot of merit to that that Adelaide is

(18:58):
going to take advantage of having a bottom four drawer
because they got West Coast and North twice. That's do
have to play on the run home that could get
the mid of the top two. That that is fine
to me. I like the idea of giving the worst
teams a slightly easier run to make rises up the
ladder happen more often, because that's fun. That's what we
want to see in foot you that's a great storytelling.
It's not the purest competition, but I think there's some

(19:19):
merit to it.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
You just mentioned the Swans and I didn't have my
bingo card. I worked across the whole weekend, and I
didn't have Saint Kilda being again and Sin Kilda playing
Sydney rather on Sunday being one of my more enjoyable
blogging experience. I actually really enjoyed the game. It was
entertaining pregame build up of the roof goodness was it?

(19:41):
Weren't we all just championing for the roof to stay
open storyline?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Although the raid around in Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Later in the day there was could.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Have been a problem in the second half which marl Stadium.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, they still would have used the yellow ball anyway
fast Yeah, but it was. It was a cracking contest
and Kilda played ross Lyin said pregame, I just want
the players to play with spirit, and they could not
have played with much more spirit. They are outstanding. Sydney though,
just had the class and the answers. But I think,
as you wrote, everything that they wanted to go their
way on the weekend went against them in terms of

(20:14):
results outside of their control.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
The teams that were most likely to catch were Freo,
GWS and Gold Coast and all three of them are won,
so it's that much harder. Like even if Sidney gets
to fourteen wins now, I don't think they make it
with their percentage.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
That is the end of the run home kind of discussion.
You can read it all at Foxfooty dot com dot au.
But now it's time for one of our favorite segments.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
And now on the Fox Footy Podcast, another strong edition
of Australia's Favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
See I can say that now and Zita just doesn't say, oh, really,
favorite segment?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Now, how I'm confused? You said it was FRF at
the start? So is it fast and furious?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yes, that's a fast or furious max? Okay, fair or fast.
He's only twenty and then his second year. But enough
is enough. West Coast can no longer tolerate Harley Read's
false bravado fair or fast speaking furious?

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Am I right? Guys? I think they can't tolerate it
because he's a bloody good play Okay, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
So you're in the Ken Hinckley and obviously Andrew mccaute.
But Ken Hinckley Camp who actually went up to Harley
Read after the game, despite the the pantomime with the
crowd and the theater with Jason Horn. Francis went up
to him and said, I love the way that you play.
Whereas we heard Lee Matthews last time on couch and
Tim Watson very strong an seen this morning saying that

(21:34):
his behaved behavior is childish and that for a twenty
no other twenty year old in the competition is behaving
like him, so why should and there has this has
gone on long enough and there has been no modification
in behavior.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Look, I'm not that's certainly concerning. I think it is
childish because he was a child very recently, so that's
somewhat understandable. He doesn't need to ruin that in. But
I think playing on the edge gives him some sort
of energy and advantage in games, because you look at
these numbers, he's on par with the greats in terms
of their first sort of thirty forty games. He's a

(22:08):
fantastic player, and that's masked by the fact that everyone
around him at West Coast Outfit is not very good.
So if he's playing at a big Victorian club right now,
we're getting just as many headlines. We're also talking about
his bad behavior, but we're talking about geez. He is
going to be one of the best players in the
next decade. He's a very exciting prospect. The one that
I do understand calling out and saying this needs to
stop is the tripping.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
So Will the MRO has quote failed the game, not
suspending Harley Reid fair or fast.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
For all the love for Harley read which I concur
with Max, I do think he should have been given this.
That was as blatant to trip as Derris really.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
And he's done it three times this year. Yeah, three finds.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm not trying, I'm not being over a hope, I'm
not overacting. It almost felt like a kicking motion.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Yeah, he kicked out.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
It was nice to kicked and when it was a trip, Yeah,
like there was a bit of momentum behind it, the
league swinging back and forth. Yeah, I think so, just
with the way that some of these suspensions have been
given out this year, or fines for that matter, like
that had to be a one week unfortunately for Harley.
Fortunately for him now he doesn't have one. The other
one I'm going to bring up impromptu. Ben was Sam

(23:15):
Darcy hitting Jordan Butts. Yes, behind the play, Marcus Winhager
was fine for hitting Nick Deekos in a very similar
action that didn't really cause a whole lot, And I
think there's a bit of a there's definitely thought the
standard and potentially belief that like that may played a
part as to why Jordan Butts may have been having
issues A puntry lun didn't he Yeah, claps lung.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, three nights, three nights.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, so very very seriously, I'm
not saying there's definitely a correlation between the two, but
I think that still hasn't been worked out. But Nick
certainly wasn't sure of a post game. But when you're yeah,
double standards is the way to put it, Ben, Like
that had to be a fine for san Darcy in
the same way that I think it had to be
suspension for Harley Reed.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
The one thing with this harghly Red tripping discussion is
that no one has been suspen of a tripping this year. No,
A lot of players have been fined a lot. Markeine,
does it quite a bit, Yes, it does. Yeah, that
might be like a Gayely football thing where it's allowed
in that sport, so he's just used to it growing up.
So a lot of players would be getting suspensions and
that would be a complaint. There would be times where
people will say, that's not a week, but it's a
very serious, potentially dangerous thing. We're just lucky that we

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haven't had any serious injuries from anyone doing it this year.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Speaking of suspensions, max four weeks for Jack Graham, three
for Jeremy Finnlason, five for Will Power, six for Lance Collard.
These bands are a dog's breakfast. Fair or fast.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Certainly inconsistent, isn't it, So there's a level of fairness
to it. I'm fine with it being a long suspension
like this because there was a discussion on the couch
about how well there shouldn't be a penalty. It should
just be an education process. There is no possible way
that an AFL player in twenty twenty five is going
out there thinking that it's anywhere near okay to deliver
a homophobic slur. Everyone knows you can't do that, so

(24:55):
education is pointless. So it just has to be the
sanction to try and try and drive it out of peace.
Even though there's an understanding that sometimes it's just it's
not an involuntary reflex. But I don't think Jack Graham
is out there doing this a lot. It just happened,
like people can make mistakes in the heat of battle,
so I think it's fair enough to suspend.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Suspending like that.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I understand the concerns about the contrast with Willer Reolier
than getting a week. That situation was a lot more
complicated than this. That there are layers to that, so
that plays into that, but it would be nice to
have some consistency about it. Last year when we had
two of those from memory, it was will Powell and Finlayson.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Finlayson was first.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
There was an escalation, wasn't there so which made total
sense because how you clearly weren't listening, you get a
worse penalty will power for doing this.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
So then Collard, I think was part of them, was
in the VFL and then it was multiple which.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Is why he was the most. So I can understand that.
So going I guess going back to four, if that's
where we're resetting the bar, I'm okay with four.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
I think there was an element of self report as
well from what the AFL said as to why Graham
had a.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
List, but did he not report like a week later
while part of.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well this is the thing that Andrew mccolter on three
sixty last night said that Graham that he was aware
of it postgame. Andrew mcculter and the Giants were as well.
And then I think the AFL statement said that it
was reported to them on the Friday just gone. So
the game was on the Friday, seven days prime.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
So there's some sort of process that needed to happen
that just didn't happen, perhaps because the match day report.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's right. So Adam Kingsley was asked by Jared last night.
Jared asked, were did you think that when you found
out about it that it would be resolved there and then?
And he said no, because they were waiting for some
kind of AFL official report or complaint to be made.
And then, yeah, Graham has come forward. He's personally spoken

(26:44):
to Andrew Dillon and then obviously spoke as well as
speaking to the Giants directly as well. And then the
ban has or it's sort of come to fruition on
the Saturday because Tom Gross was the only emergency. It
was not going on the plane from Perth to Adelaide.
But then there was a report from the West Australian
late on Saturday night saying Tom Gross is flying over
to Adelaide, and then Graham was The band was confirmed

(27:06):
on the Sunday morning, in less than six hours before
the first bounce.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
So this is a process issue more than anything as
to why it came out that late. So it was odd,
but you can things happen in corporations, communication problems at
the AFL.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Who would have.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Will the armswer onto it? Nick Watson must stop the
high free kick play attempts from this week, fear or
fast fair.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I feel like we're going back to the world or
so he out of anyone who's going back to the
world with high free kicks, I thought we was sort
of passed this same disappointing and he was the one
that ended up leaving through of those instances, probably the
one without a free kick in a little bit sore.
So yeah, it's just not good for anyone. Like concussion
continues to be a rising issue.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
So did he get himself hurt by getting high contact
and no free kick?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Thought he got himself hurt, not concussed, but like that's
what Matthew Pavage's fear was at the time, is that
that is the next that is the next step. Potentially
you get hit by Luke Ryan who was a big guy. Yes,
slightly a couple of centimeters the other way, and it
might lead to a concussion.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
So this is strange because it does seem like, broadly speaking,
umpires aren't calling a lot of you ducked into that,
and therefore it's not high contact situations. Seems like players
are getting the benefit of the doubt. And yet yes,
still there players doing this.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
So I think the umpires considering and Adam Simpson spoke
about this on three sixty last week, and the steps
now for when there's a potential high tackle the umpires
have to ask themselves in in milliseconds. I think the
umpires are doing a magnificent job at adjudicating this very
complicated rule at the.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Moment, especially because you also the conversation, the side conversation
to all of this is about umpires, get out of
the corridor, get out of the way, and if we
had a razor. Ray was talking about this on three
sixty last week. He wants them further back from the play.
All right, So now we want umpires to be another
ten to fifteen meters away. Yes, not able to see
the of these incidents that we see on TV because
the cameras can zoom in.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
We'll have to hum nine the second to get the
pinnoculars out, have a look at and make a decision.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
At least a monocle or something. Look fancy Max.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Essendon's primetime heavy fixture is the greatest misread of the
century by the AFL. Fair or face.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
I'm trying to think of some sort of mistranslation dabblefish joke,
but I can't, so I'll just go with yes. Fair,
So they're going to end up with fifteen games fifteen
of twenty three in primetime or a special time slot
like that Sunday night, King's Birthday EVE game or anzac
Day fifteen for a team that's probably finishing bottom four.
We think at the very like probably the AFL did

(29:40):
not predict that they would have a bazillion injuries. But
also I don't think anyone thought Essendon was going to
be good. So this is I remember it might have
been ages ago, it might have been like twenty fifteen.
Carlton had a bunch of Friday nights, even though they
were terrible.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's been Carlson getting primetime during that time was a
constant discussion.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
So this is the side effect of it's a system
where broadcaster preferences mean that big Victorian clubs get more
of these games because that's who seven wants to show
in those timeslots, because then they get those games. Otherwise,
like we might have Fox might have them exclusively on
the weekend, So that's part of it. Then there's you've
got the rolling fixture, but they still don't do it

(30:18):
late enough to accurately say, oh, Es and N's out
of the finals race, Canton's out of the finals race.
We can't have them in there. And you've got the
problem of well, if you have a team on a
Thursday night game, you're more likely to have them on
a Friday night next week or an associating weeks because
of the breaks around it. And you don't want to
have teams going back and forth between Thursdays and Saturdays
and Thursdays. So once you're in that blockbuster timeslot, you

(30:39):
get repeated in there. The dogs are the ones who
are getting a lot of these two Fortunately they play
fun footy and are competing for the finals. By the way,
they could have won zipp for three for their big
three that they've tipped.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
It doesn't feel like a rolling fixture. I think you
would you want to notice it at the back end
of the season for it to serve its purpose, like
you should. You know, every Friday Thursday, Friday Night game
from that point forward, Round eighteen, round nineteen should be
more or less reflective of the final series.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And some of them.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Gold Coast Hollywood would not have been a Friday night
game at the start of the game, So that is
that worked perfectly, and the ratings were really good, funnily enough,
because it was a fantastic game between two teams fighting
for the top four.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I think it was and I think as expected Gold
Coasts highest rating game ever. Certainly from a Fox Footy perpective.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Makes complete sense.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
And last one, will Carlton will be better off without
Tom Dakony fair off us.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I'm sure he's a lovely man.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I'm sure he is. But from an on field mechanics.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
From a field mechanics, I'd say that's a fast okay,
as soon as you take into account in the fact
that they would be saving a million dollars and they're
not going to be paying seven hundred thousand more to
match Saint Kilda's proposed contract. I would say it's probably.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Fair and getting a first round compensation pick for his departure.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yes, yes, I mean I think a lot of the
chat was so spoken about on first Crack about Mark Pittnett. Yes,
he's replacement sitting right there, and he ranks as a
top five ruckman for the eighteen game he's played since
the start of twenty twenty four. Sherry, this is in
no order. Sherry, gorne Wits and Luke Jackson in the
other four around him, and pitt Neet slotted into fourth.

(32:09):
So he's doing something very you know, clearly correctly. Patty
Crips loves playing under him, with him tapping him the ball,
and the clearance game on Thursday night was actually really
good against the lines, as was they contest ball. So
they clearly have a replacement something right there. I don't
want the kid, and I know this isn't what you're
insinuating that decone is going to be like, oh that's fine,
Like he'll just walk out the door. I think they'll
really it will hurt his athletics has been Flexibility around

(32:32):
the ground is something that they're going to need to
replace somehow, and there isn't really anyone at Carleton at
the moment that suggests they will do that. And I
don't think there's many players linked to Carlton this offseason.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
So no, they're making cap space by letting him go.
They're not having a chance to edit anyone.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, exactly, So it's going to hurt a lot, but
all in all, it is the best decision for the
football club to let him go.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I think do they have the best backup ruck at
the comp with pittnay, if you exclude Fremantle, like yeah, yeah,
team other than teams that actually run too yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Probably was Ned Reeves, like a few last year.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, I'm sure there's a team where for just forgetting.
But they are the perfect example of a team that
does not need to spend money on a ruck because
they've got pit and who's actually on a Like it
was a four year deal, wasn't it. He signed last year,
so it's not like he's a one year flyer. It
makes all the sense of the world to not commit
so much to that position when you've got flaws elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I mean, it's just better than Pete Ladham's I would think, yes, Yeah,
I'm just sort of going through port.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Have Jordan Sweet and a vart Soldo, not that A
Van Solo has been playing a whole lot of that.
I think both of them came in with higher aspirations
than what they've become.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
True.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
So speaking of trade, so you're putting together with being
Cotton a trade verdict piece for Fox Footy dot Com
to a US so Daconing goes, yes, Sam Draper.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Goes to.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Brisbane or Adelaide Yeah, Brisbane Okay, And does that mean
that Brisbane also gets Oscar Allen Yes, leck Aaliyah.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Now, this is one that Ben and I were disputing.
I think he stays. Leak is a very very loyal
player to GWS. As you said to us, Ben, JBS
have put in a lot of capital towards him. I
think everything in terms of money per year, in terms
of opportunity at a different club, all points towards him going.

(34:25):
But he's playing behind the defense that has Jack Buckley,
Sam Taylor and Kenn Hayden who are a hell of
a defense, and he's not getting in that anytime soon.
When you think that, I don't think anything would be
over the age of twenty eight twenty nine. Like they're
all very good players. I'll be around for the next
five six years, so I struggle to see how he's
going to fit into that without a long term injury.
So I think, yeah, he wants to stay. It is

(34:48):
in his best interest to go. I don't know if
that helps, No, it helps.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
It gives the listeners a bit of an indication and
St Kilda has been most strongly linked to him.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I think for what it's worth, I think North Melbourne
should be going on for someone like like a.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Leah oh okay, James Warpole.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Ah tensative stay. I believe Ban Cotton thinks tensive go.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Okay, where would he be going?

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Too long?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
And then you've been all over the sort of the
Nasaia wangon name Miller, Beat Beat, Yes and the progress
there are incredible performance from It wasn't his best performance,
but he actually burnt off the James Jordan tag on
the weekend to the point where Callum Mills was put
to him on the in the third quarter.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
So the first time we've seen that James Jordan.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, I think it was. I can't remember if it was.
Jared Healing commentary said, James Jordan has never tagged a
player like this for the ability to burst off, and
he took him forward and took contested marks, which I've
never seen the SI I do as well, which was
which was great. What I think Jay Clarke put on
the radar seven days ago that if NASAIA hadn't made
a call in ten days time, that alarm bells start

(35:57):
to happen, and we're starting to get the towards that
ten day threshold, a.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Bit the nine day mark if my math is correct.
When you're listening, Yes, correct Tuesday you cast.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
In twenty twenty nine, catching up the catalog the.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
L pidnets contracted cars.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, well he's won three brand loads in a row.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Incredible, the sire. Yes, I think the alarm bell start
ringing at the time of recording as of tomorrow. So yeah.
It just the reports that came out a couple of
weeks ago of him having his manager come towards a
contract short term offer. I will say that the very
unfortunate things have been going on with him and Jasberg

(36:33):
on lately, might you know play a part?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (36:36):
This isn't the first priority at the moment right dealing
with you know, some horrible racism online. But yes, I
still think it's leaning towards go as you heard me
the Rugby reference before I had forty yes, is.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
That percentages on the three teams in the race.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah, I think Saint Kilda and Port are probably even
more or less. And then the Crows are probably the
one who I have at twenty percent at the.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Moment, even though they've probably got the most cash.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Yes, and would be far well and truly appealing at
the moment. But the link has always been to Port.
That's what I've always been strongest one. And what the
people around the sie back in South Australia they say
the exact same thing.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
You'll be able to read more of that on Foxfooty
dot com dot au. But it's now time for one
of our favorite segments on the Fox Foody podcast.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
It's time to open up the mail bag. Have a
question for the panel tweeters every Monday morning at Fox Footy.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
They're like our children, Ben, and we love them equally
you do, but some better than others. The mail Bag.
Thank you to everyone who has written in on Twitter
at Monday morning. So you give us your questions, we
answer them if they're any good, like this one from
Jacob who asks who would be your tip for the
rising Star? At this point, this has got real close,
isn't it. So As a Bombers fan, I feel extra
weight should be given to Archie roberts performances in a

(37:49):
crap team compared to the bookie's favorites of Ashcroft and Curtain.
So I did my research before because someone asked me
this over all the week and I couldn't even think
of who was in it. So you want to be prepared, Levy,
as Draft and Dan Curtin are effectively equal favorites. Yeah
at that point.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
And I saw a tweet someone that Dan Kurtin was
one hundred bucks in the bedding only one point four
or five weeks.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
But it's like because he's playing incredibly well, so makes
sense Roberts and then Murphy Reid would be the next
tier back pretty close but still behind. And then the
only other's given any other chance, Harvey Langford, Nate Caddy
and Connor O'Sullivan.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, those three haven't have had moments, those last three,
but haven't had the consistency of the four or five players.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
They would be competing for the ones and two votes
for the.

Speaker 6 (38:33):
Strong.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
It's a strong class. It's a strong class.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
How do you see the rising Stard? Do you think
it should be purely based on that year's performances or
on who is the best player, because if you go
purely on performances, you can get into the Lewis Taylor v.
Marcus Bontepelly Lewis situation.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
It has to be a year, right, like everyone has
to start from I think zero. I think so, like
so you would have voted for Lewis Taylor, I would
have voted for Lewis Taylor.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I would have voted for Louis Taylor. I think it's
and that's traditionally how the award is normally, I guess so, yeah, warded.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
If anything, there's a tendency, so they don't like to
pick someone who's made their debut a year prior. I
don't only won it last year.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Was third year.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, Stephen Bradbred his way to winning that. Yeah, take
correct got suspended. So no, I think that's not unreasonable
to say. But generally we've had some pretty high ranked
players Cheese, al Decos, Jackson Saron Walsh, the winners before that,
Jaden Stevenson of course, oh yes, for his wonderful superstar,
but currently Andrew McGrath, Mills Hogan going back and Lewis

(39:34):
Taylor was twenty fourteen.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
A lot of very good players there. Class two very
quick fire questions. So who do we think that will win?
Right now? I had to pick someone.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
If you read Mayhew Reid, maybe I would be voting
for Dan Curtin.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
He's coming home.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
He's coming home.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I think he is the most impressive player for doing
what he's doing at his size.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
He has a hell of a hard roll as well.
He has an attacking wing for That's not the point.
My next question is, is that same player that you've
just said the person you're most excited for him this
crop of players?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, and that's why I'm picking so Yeah. So I
can see Ashcroft is because he's just slotted in so
easily into the Premiers and he's playing really good foot
So I can understand why you're just default to voting
for him. But I'm just more excited about what curtain
could be.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, I can't understand that. Now. I'm a big Murphy
Reid fan. I had him at six or seven in
the draft rankings last year and he slid to sixteen seven,
sixteen seventeen, somewhere around there, and I think Frio were
very very happy that he went. They're slightly surprising because Frio,
except for I think Andrew Brayshaw, that normally don't tend
to go for the vic Metro guys traditionally, so they

(40:39):
went for a vic Metro guy and he has, I
think in his first year, gone above expectations there as
a small Ford. I hope he gets into the midfield
at some stage because he's really really classy. I just
think there's a bit of a question mark on his speed,
but he's as shrewd as they come from a footy perspective.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
I should have say as well. I was saying how
Dan Curtain has a very hard role small ford role
in the first due to a club. Isn't he either?
So most Reid speaking to that.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
So the highest rated player in the player ratings between
the ages of eighteen and twenty is actually Joel Frager
has discussed on the podcast previously not eligible thanks to
his one excellent game. Apparently Liam Forcett is number two.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I don't think he's going to Good afternoon, Jack Joebanoskies.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
And then Dan Curtin is next, ahead of Harvey Langford,
Job Shanahan who is pretty promising from his.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Games good game against Portland weekend.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Will Graham from eight games, and then Murphy Reid. So
the players with a substantial sample of games, it's Curtin
from Langford from Reed from whose next Conor Sullivan would
be next, which is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
He was he was early favourite. He's probably drops off
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yes, I think that's fair. Those are the it'll be it'll.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Be a good race. And I think isn't it right
that the rising start this year due to the Gold
Costesston game will be hand out the brownlowknock.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Correct, because they can't pick it twenty four hours after
Gold Coast Esston. Because what if one of Essendon's seven
and one hundred debutantes this year gets nominated, Archie Roberts
like he could have a good performance in the game.
Certainly that could play a part.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
They should host it that People First Stadium and that'd
be good. Is it at People First Stadium? Shot People
First Stadium?

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
The dramatic conclusion to the home right away season that
we've all been waiting for at everyone's favorite stadium that
changes its name every year. That's right, yes, Carra, Yes, yes, Morara.
It's weird that they have two that assessed. I have
to assure that it's an indusenous thing. One more from David,
who asks, instead of finding players who bump into umpires
or use them as shields to separate from opponents, why

(42:34):
don't they just award a free kick and stop it immediately?
Or is it a revenue generating schemes review generated like
speed cameras. It's not real. They're just trying to make money.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
So you have that at the stadium, like a camera
flashes every time the umpire it gets hit.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
So you think of you think of the incident where
Adam Chera ran into Robert O'Gorman on Thursday night. How
the heck is Robert o'grman going to know who to
pay the free kick? Again? Like against he was hit
him from behind.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I mean, there would be a way to figure out
who it was, like someone would see it, or you
would own up, or you would just get someone in
their ear to tell them.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
But you get more instances where you rouse pushing DeCross
who goes into the umpire and then all of a sudden,
the wrong team's being awarded the free kick.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
And I also think danger when we are talking about
incidental careless conduct, like sometimes it's purely a mistake and
it's it's harsh.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Although I guess it would cramp clamp down on it.
Is the umpire, Yeah, the one that Nate Caddy hit
the other week. Does he get a free kick? Does
he takes that? Does umpire take the free kick?

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Does the umpire who ruined an early Carlton goal against
Brisbane on Thursday night?

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Yes, the infamous at Subiaco where the umpire took a carry.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
You pay that and then the umpire becomes part of
whichever team kicked in the ball and then they get
a nineteenth man.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
I wonder if that was I wonder if that was
just an uncontested mark or an intercept mark, it would
have been a champion champion And then the champion data
came in on ninety ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
How convenient it.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Would have it his own column that will never be
touched potentially for the rest of the time. Er one,
but add the speed cameras to the AFL in season
tournament idea that we have, Oh, great, great, great, I'm
black Grass.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
That's the end of the mail bag. And Max has
brought the book.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Chety the greatest book of all time or one. I mean,
the whole series are great, and this is the first
book that we're reading from. Sheed's a touch of cunning.
He has a lot of things to say. And what
we know about Kevin Sheedy is he's a developer of
boys to men.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yes, speaking of boys, Hello, David David Zas has walked in. Yeah,
I know. It is the soundtrack of the Fox Footy
office actually with the cherry picker going up and yes, the.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Tristan cherry picker. What's going on? Hello? Fitting that you quite?
Literally quite?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
How are you feeling ahead of your three?

Speaker 5 (45:01):
To me, we just say words out loud and just
think we're funny.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
We're not.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
I'm not looking forward to them. I don't like the
five pm start. Four four would have been especially for
a case that was literally happened last Thursday.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
You would have thought that we would have had it
done by now. Two of them did, yes, me, two
of them did. That's a very good point, Max going
to I just can't how are you going to come
just five pm, six pm, seven pm.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
But what an absolute joke because specifically the chaircases right
where we're arguing over maybe a couple of times this
will because this is what I'm most worried about, because
this could either go for an hour or for three hours,
because they have to go through the other three incidents
if if they get one bit wrong and then I
need some Kevin.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Well, let's make you feel better with this passage from his.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Book, A Touch of Cunning.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
It's from a Touch of Cunning talking about how he
wants to instill it. It's still virtues into the young people,
to that good virtues. When you go into a maternity hospital,
for instance, they don't say born leaders fifth floor, left
wing trench warriors, sixth floor, beasts and so on. The
babies learn from the fabric of the nappies and baby

(46:17):
clothes they wear from day one. Personally, when I hear
the expressions like born leader and born fighter, I think, gee,
that's a pretty big call. Often you learn to fight
because you've been in a few fights, hard fights when
winning was really important. Sometimes you learn to make decisions
because you live a life of making decisions. You can
learn a lot in maternity hospitals. Though occasionally, when I've

(46:41):
had young footballers complaining because training was hard or playing
was tough and now were getting hurt, I've taken them
into the Mercy. I've shown them the sick or prematurely
born babies and the human cribs.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
What do you think about this?

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I asked the players, some of them very young. They
have never thought about it. These babies have a problem,
they were born early, or they have a weak heart
or something serious like that, or maybe something worse than
have little hope of living. I say, you've got no problem.
You have the ability to play football. Why don't you
make the most of your advantages?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Wow, that is that's that's a good fine.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
That's your best reading. Like in terms of that, thank
you for the delivery. I had to bring the energy
to it. That What I don't know will I'm concerned?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Do you think anything serious?

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Or something even more? Something serious?

Speaker 5 (47:30):
But is he he seems like Zoolander or something?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
How many of the baby bombers? Do you think we're
inspired by a trip to the mercy?

Speaker 5 (47:37):
But does he just you can't just go in there
can a footy team?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
We just walk in and look at baby.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
So he's just taking a player in and going to
that ward and then just streaming at them.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Look at look at this sick baby.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Stop complaining about getting hit in the back.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
Strange man taking in.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I assume post birth as well, Yes, human.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
The babies don't have any problem mid birth.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Someone pre birth that they're just pregnant, having such a
moment like that, and Kevin, she walks in mid birth.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Imagine that being just imagine an amazing story.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Do you think there are dads who going to Dad's
got in trouble for getting distracted like they were holding
their wife's hand, but suddenly sorry, honey, she's here.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
She signed my book. A touch of cunning, please, just a.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
Touch of cutting not so much? Does that ring true
to you as you're the only father in the room
that we're aware of.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Well, I'll be concerned if.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Well we had basically the entire board of onlookers and
staff stay well in.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
The in the suite when right AFL coaches that you
saw it pretty imagine if she's Dennis Pagan just walked
in Brendan Bolton talking about green shoots.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
I saw the way you delivered those babies last week
and let me tell you, some of you have got
a lot to answer for good.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
That was fantastic. I very much enjoyed that.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
I hope we've brightened up your day ahead of the
misery that is the life you have chosen for yourself.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
I can't wait for it to get underway. That's because
it will be over quick.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
You do two schnitz sorders tonight because it might be
a long, long night.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
We're not going to be that hungry.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
He might be angry, David, I think, can you tell
your dad Ben Darren daa, what's Darren?

Speaker 5 (49:27):
He keeps saying better load up on the grill. That's
not how it works. Scotty sponsors wrong blasphemy.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
I mean chips, they're fine chips.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Don't get us wrong, lovely, but don't just just can
you have it?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Pass it on.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
He'll probably be listening to this and probably would have
pulled over and.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
All very bare.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Needs to be brand safe.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
That was David z A couple joining us for abad
Zita's role in this podcast is coming in for Shy.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
He's just crane livid.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Cameo.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
It is a good came came here. Let's have a
look at the tips and the cups for this weekend,
all nine games coming up, isn'ton and the Giants a
blockbuster to start Thursday night for the Kurt a Less Cup.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
What a start.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yes, that is the most exciting thing that will ever
happen about this game all week Giants.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
So the Giants are resting, resting or being conservative for
a few players.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Jesse Hoagan included, Yes, it's a VFL team plus Durham
and merrit.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
When Tommy Morrish tweeted today that Nate Caddy was potentially
out with groinsawness, I thought, it actually can't get much worse,
can it?

Speaker 4 (50:34):
No, And we probably thought that a fortnight ago as well.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
The Nick Martin one like genuinely sucks like you could
miss two seasons with that, with the timing that is
very unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
I never lost once to a marble stadium.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Brisbane and the Bulldogs at the GAB are Trent Bartlet's
Cup up for grabs here.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
The only thing I'll point out while tip in Brisbane
is that they just haven't been great at home this year,
not the Fortress, no more, not only more, the last
six they've lost and seven seven losses since the start
of the last season. At home during the home and
away when they'd lost four in like the previous four
or five seasons before that. So it's a penetrable fortress. Yes,
but you would think this is some sort of shootout

(51:19):
and the Lions and a Gabba shootout generally do pretty well,
so I think they get over them.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Concur with everything that's just said.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Hawthorne and Port Adelaide for premiership player Brent Ranoff Cup.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Oh, yes, Hawthorne have to win.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Hawthorne have to win. Port continued to be an enigma.
I have no idea what you're getting each week. Like
I walked into the office on Sunday thinking they would
smack West Coast by Yeah, twelve fourteen goals just felt
like a Budelaide thing and they end up trailing at
three calls time in winning Hawthorne.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Swan's hosting the Kangaroo's Ryan Clark Cup.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
My favorite Guernsey matchup of the year. Just a very
satisfying read and white. Actually really and you know, ninety
ninety six Grand Final, first game I ever watch, So
we're wearing South Melbourne kit is. I wasn't, no, I
was four, Sorry, I know, but either way, just the
colour scamees. It's a very pleasing matching and Sydney should win.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Sydney should win have won twelve the last thirteen.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
This is Carlton and Melbourne, a reasonably irrelevant game in
the run home for the Chris Johnson Cup. It's the
hardest game of the round to tip.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yes, it is because Carlton can't be as bad as
we've seen over the last month and like they weare
better against Brisbane.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
I would say the saying about the Demons though, like
I feel like the premiership point. I think where it's
north on the weekend was a bit of a reward
for five.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, I think the Ds have been okay, Like they're fine.
I'm pretty glass half full on them, Like it sucks
that they're in this position where they're going to have
to go another year and just hope that things get
better and then make a decision on Goodwin and the likes.
But they're okay.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
There's a sign tipping Melbourne. Yeah, I think I'm doing
Melbourne as well, but like Carlton have more to win,
but I think it's to feel good. I'd like either
tend to win.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
This is a fifty eight to fifty six sort of
final score and cold MTG.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, like that's similarish to Wesen and Richmond Saturday.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Don't even bring that about that.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
West Coast and Richmond on Saturday night for the Patrick
Nash Cup.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yes, the one, the one thing that made that game
even worse was that it meant that this game was
even less relevant because at least West Coast could dream
of getting to three wins and catching Richmond. But they're
not winning three of their last six. Don't be ridicted.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
West Coast have been okay in recent weeks.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
They have been.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
They have been the team more deserving of a win
over the last six to eight weeks than Richmond. But Richmond,
god essend, and when they did so, I think West
Coast should win this really deserve to win a game
at home, get their fans some joy.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Yeah, yeah, West Coast or West Coast.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
And I think a lot of admiration for both coaches
this year. Mcqualter at West Coast because clearly implemented a
brand that is you know, you can certainly see some
some green shoots their.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Spots and him in the st kilt a box on during.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
To Ross and then I think Adam, He's flip the
script a little bit on the certainly the external view
on him. I think there was I think it was
fair to say that there was some doubts on whether
he could be a long term senior coach this time
and his aura last year or yes, But I think
I think he's been very impressive.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Five wins. If they can win this and get to
five wins, that's that's that's a big.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Tick, massive win.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
This is where, yes, totally agree, you can be positive
about it. But when you're a bad team like this.
These are clearly the two worst teams in the comp
and they've just sort of fallen their way into four wins.
It just happened sometimes, So don't get completely distracted, like
if they could lose more games next year, fall in
their way into this year four Like just face played

(54:47):
the whoops, we won four games.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
He's saying, isn't as a result of the rest of
the competition.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Yeah, Well that Carlton just did weird crap in that
first round one game and lost you know things like that,
and they caught Gold Coast on the hop and beat
them at Marvel like results that don't make any sense
when you look with them now. But it just suddenly happened,
and yes, they did a lot right in those nights.
I'm saying they didn't deserve to win those games, But
the win total is not the most important thing when
you're a really bad team. It's the percentage. These teams
are basically equal one percentage.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, they've been thumped it in a lot of games,
so it's more not necessarily then overestimating themselves. It's the
external view that we can't get too excited by what
Richmond has done.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
There would be every possibility that these wind totals switch
and Richmond's on one win right now, and we're saying
he's struggling, isn't he, even though they would not be
very different of a team at all.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
For me, it's probably I agree with everything you just said,
the ceiling that we can see in Richmond, though, like
two beta Gold Coast outfit with the team that they did,
I don't think we'd ever see expect West Coast to
do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
They've been okay against some very good teams that were
beating Brisbane for large portions of that game. At the goer,
we're contending against Collingwood, get that Marvel. You know they've
had they just haven't got over the line.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Geelong and since Kilda fox Foot exclusive game on Sunday,
Ryan Gamble Cup up for grabs.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Here cuts just have to win, massive, massive stat ping here,
here we go. Geelong have won all twelve games at
GMHBA Stadium against Saint Kilda this century. Yes, thank Kilda.
Haven't beaten a Geelong down at GMHBA. In your park.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I reckon. I was at the first Geelong since Kilda
game this century, a cot in your park. I reckon.
If you look, if you're afl tables it now, I reckon.
Peter Spider Everett kicked nine goals in a losing side
and Ronnie Burns, my all time favorite footballer, kick the
most beautiful left foot check side goal right right in

(56:34):
front of me, in the forward pocket.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Right in front of me, round two two thousand, in
your park, your long vs and killed it. Yeah, that's
win by forty Yes. Peter Everett kicks nine yes, nine,
six shots on goal, eighteen dismissals.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Oh my god, here's a serious ford and Ronnie Burns
kicks three.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
I was doing this and this was like peak heaven.
They've also lost twenty eight to the last thirty two
games on there, which dates all the way back to
nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Well we know what the nineteen seventy eight Saints were.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Like of course, yes, yeah, we're all familiar with them.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Geelong two years after Grand they would have played a
Grand finally as t Hawthorn nineteen seventy six's I'll.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Take your word for it, I remember them. I love no, No,
keep in mind that's Kilda.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Did you know is Hawthorne North Melbourne seventy one was Hawthorne?
Soon Kilner won.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Three of the last four is I think what you
were about to win? Similar? So they beat them earlier
this year I did.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
And the funny thing about Geelong, like I talked about
how their draw has been so easy, but they've lost
all of these games to the teams they double up against.
So they got to actually take advantage of it to
finish the top.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Four Collingwood and Fremantle for the Jack Anthony Cup.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
That's just that name hurts will it is the I mean,
I'm happy to put this on public record. When I
was a child, it was two thousand and nine. This
is the only time I've ever cried of a football match.
Was Jack Anthony kicking that goal in the semifinal. Andy
Otton's been rutten contested marking contest is from fifty.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Five and Ben Cotton just it's his birthday to day
as well. Just said it is the greatest game of
football he's ever been too.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Wasn't he twenty three Grand Final?

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Oh no, sorry, I tear it back. I think he
said the greatest, like most fonnest commentary moment. I think
he had a quarters calling it.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Then, yeah, yeah, that sounds about right. Char Ten, I
was eight nine year old, killed me anyway.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Who wins Collingland freemant.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
I cried at the Peter Riccardi game after the siren
when they won, when they won, well, I was crying
before he kicked it, and then it was years of joy.
I was a very I was a very prone to
crying child. Collingwood wins this. I would like to think
that Frio makes this interesting, but I just get the
feeling that Collingwood like a bit.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Of a reality check against the Suns last week.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, little yeah, and like a game that they probably
should have won. Two of their three losses this year
they won on expected score. Collingwood have become the unlucky
team interesting, surely not interesting.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
I agree with bax large thing that Fred would make
it interesting, but I think Colin would get over the
line and.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
We finish with.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
No.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Brisbane Bulldogs might be game of the Round, but this
would be pretty close as well. A fun Adelaide Gold
Coast Nathan Boch Cup up for grabs here. This was
an excellent game in the corresponding fixture earlier in the
year that was Game of the Year.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Maybe it's been overtaken by a couple of pretty good
ones since, but you know the controversial and thrilling finish it.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Yes, people had to have a cup from this season,
it would be the Raleigh Philip mac Andrew Cup.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yes, I'll be fighting for it again.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
I think Philip's had this date on the calendar circle
for a little while.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Yes, I think there is motivation for Adelaide to put
a score on the Suns in some sort of revenge.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Yes, and it does, perhaps aided by the fact Gold
Coast have never beaten the Crows Adelaide Oval and by extension,
they've never won at the Adelaide Oval in eleven.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Was that the team they were the last team they
hadn't beaten the Suns.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
I feel like, yes, for a long long time they
lost their first ten or so games.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
It was like during during COVID, I want to say,
when the Crows at the absolute bottom. Yeah, yes, times
that was when the Sons were like three and oh
and it was the COVID season. We're like, what's happening?

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Everything's crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
They fell off, well, the Suns because the Son I
was looking up the Sons playing their first ever standalone
game on a Friday night. They did play on a
Friday night back in twenty twenty one against Adelaide at
the Adelaide Oval. How does that happen? Of course it
was a good Friday game North Melbourne.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Good Friday. Yes, the Gold Coast Sons and La Crows.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
That's right. So the run home will be back on
Sunday night. You still motivated for the run home though, Actually,
despite the lack of no.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
It's fine. It's a nineteen race. If Rio, I'm fine,
so Pasking, I'm fine. If Freo had lost, it would stink, yes,
but no, there is a genuine race here. Like if
one team falls over, sure it gets a bit less dramatic,
but no, there is some excitement here. I'm so excited
that I'll be riding it while I'm over overseas in
Bali over the next two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Oh yes, so you will be here next week, correct.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
For the next two so someone else has to produce
the pot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
We can do that, we can organize it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Enjoy h and I'll be getting away from the Melbourne weather,
which has been.

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