Sean Combs: The Reckoning

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Speaker 2 (00:34):
The Frans per Second Podcast. Hey everybody, and welcome to
a new episode of The France Per Second Podcast. My
name is Kenthy. Ban's joined him on the show is
Mike and Nick. What up? Fellas? What up? What's going on?
Glad to have your I don't know if this is

(00:56):
a good one to have you on. Nick. It's random,
you know, given the circumstances or the episode or documentary
about the cover, which is Sean Comb's The Reckoning. But uh,

(01:17):
but you know, I think we'll get through it respectfully.
We'll see anyway, That's what we are here to discuss. Uh.
The new Shawn Combs documentary. You know, Nick, Mike, I
think it's Spike really really started selling it for me.
He kept talking about how good it is, like they
really did a good job, et cetera, et cetera. I

(01:40):
haven't heard a lot of people say that, but I
haven't really been talking to a lot of people about it.
I just saw a lot of people say they had
no desire to watch it. You know, neither did I,
but at one point there was a curiosity I had
to watch it. And then when Spike started talking about
Initially I did have a desire to watching that, but
then when he started talking about I was like, okay,

(02:01):
well let me check it out. Then I saw it
was four episodes. I thought it was like one full documentary,
like maybe two hours or whatever whatnot, So it was
four episodes.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I wouldn't have agreed to this if I knew it
was four one hour long episodes.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I just finished it.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, yes, same, I'm here. I just finished it too.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah. I finished it this morning, this morning, around eleven
something like that. But yeah, I watched part of it.
I watched half of the episode last night, so I
can have room to finish it today. But anyway, man,
let's let's jump into it. Nick, what did you think
about it.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
When it dropped?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, since since I moved out to Connecticut, the area
that I'm staying at, the city I live in is
close to New York City, so a lot of the
people it's like an hour and a half train wide away.
So a lot of people who I've been act with
who are older, who grew up around here, they said
like they were aware of a lot of these things
that were in the dock because you know, it's it's

(03:10):
it's close proximity. So everybody was like kind of telling
me like, just like you can't. Like I wasn't really
caring about seeing it because you know, Diddy was indiceted
and all this stuff, the whole trial and stuff like that. Again,
I'm close to the city where all that stuff was happening,
so we would get updates, so I didn't feel the
need to like do a four hour you know, recap.
But everybody kept on saying, you gotta watch it, you

(03:32):
gotta watch it, at least around my area, man, you
gotta watch it. And I'm like, man, all right, if
enough people saying that, let me just check it out.
And of course it's produced by fifty. So that's another
reason I was like, I don't want to see this
is just a fifty you know, just running over him
like over and over again with this with this doc
But it was actually well done. It was actually well done.

(03:55):
It didn't need to be four hour, especially that last episode.
To me, that last episode wasn't needed. But the two,
like the second and third episodes really was what like,
was very very interesting to me. And then the footage,
the footage itself was just kind of like crazy, like
how he was talking like seven days or like less
than that before he got arrested and all that other stuff.

(04:17):
So I thought it was well done, but it also
felt like a documentary that was like it was too
early to spit out because there's still a lot of
stuff that's still open cases or still pending and a
lot of other things that I felt like, this may
be like five years too early.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
M all right, Mike, I mean it was fine.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I feel like most of the stuff I'd already heard.
There was only like a few things and I was like,
oh shit, I didn't know that happened. I agree it
did not need to be for episodes long, because I'm
not I'm not all the ways. Sure who this even
appealed to, Like, I feel like anybody that's gonna watch
this Diddy doc is gonna be people like us, and

(05:04):
people like us know most of this already. But all
that said, yeah, they did a really good job of
putting his whole story together. I didn't know that's what
this was gonna be. I thought it was just about
the trial. I had no idea it was a rise
and fall type of type of deal. So so no, man,
it was cool for what it was. I'll never watch

(05:25):
it again, and it's not like something I would recommend
to anybody.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I think for some of the young cats that are
out there at Hawaiians as they like to call them,
I think it would be probably a good watch for
them if they're into hip hop and stuff like that,
just to kind of get that story. I thought they
did a good job of kind of telling the full
story of Puppy, even though we lived it right, So
it was interesting reliving some of those moments. I will

(05:51):
say that, But the first two episodes, I really liked
how they put this together in terms of telling the story,
and that was one of the things that really started
to sell it for me. When when lou was talking
about it and how they just built him up started
from the beginning when he was a kid, really showing

(06:12):
the things that made him into who he was with
kind of the first episode and then the sex episode
and then just to do like the fall from grace
that he had. So yeah, I got to give him credit.
I think they did a did a good job of
putting this together, and I think they told us. What
I felt was it was a pretty complete story with

(06:33):
what they had and some of the things that that
we knew. Fifty is petty Nick. I was trying to
see how involved he was early. I was trying to
watch that interview that he did with the with the
astraal director because he was the EP on it. But

(06:54):
I don't know, but I think that he one of
the things that he was saying is that you know
he he did this. His goal was to give a
platform to victims and reveal the truth about Comb's the
last behavior, preventing the culture from condoning such actions. Do
you think do you guys think he accomplished that with this?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
To me, this is more of the enemy of my
enemy is my friend. And I know it's weird to
phrase like that because these were actual victims of like
actual crimes, but it just it's like a vendiagram that
overlaps with like, how do I take this guy down
even further while also not having to seem like I'm like,

(07:42):
as Marlon Walliams put the kicking them while he's down,
you know what I'm saying, Like it's like it was.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I feel like because I listened to Bomoni Jones, a
podcast he had. He did a whole episode with the
director of this doc asking asking her questions about like
what was fifty's involvement and all that stuff. He basically
said like he was kind of like he really let
her cook. So like a lot of this felt like,
at least from that, we felt like these were all
like her storyboard of how she wanted to tell the story,

(08:11):
and he was just kind of just the guy that
was able to say, like, oh, if fifties attached to it,
then it must be real. So it kind of helped
her get those interviews and get some of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
So he was just kind of.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Like the the notarizer of it. But overall, I think,
you know, fifties trying to do his own film and
television stuff in Shreveport. I think this was like his
first big introduction to say, like, okay, to take my
film company seriously, I'm doing this doc, especially at this time.
But overall, I I guess I'll say, I guess my

(08:45):
answer will be I guess.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Mike, you can answer the question too. But I want
to also throw this question at you as well. Were
you surprised that did he recorded as much as he
did behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
No, I wasn't surprised about that at all.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I mean, I think it goes to just like the
whole Epstein shit with Gallaine and how they're like, why
are there so many fucking pictures. It's like people like that,
they're just so egotistical that and you know what, it
also made me think of if you watch any like
old true crime docs, like a lot of those motherfucking

(09:26):
like murderers, they keep trinkets so they can revisit the murders.
And I'm sure people like Diddy's minds work the same way.
I'm sure you know he does this foul, fucked up
shit and then he probably goes back and jerks off
watching the tapes because he's a fucking freak.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
So No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Surprised that there were all those videos, and plus he
was he thought he was untouchable, and for a long
time he was. So he's like, what difference does it make.
No one's gonna bust me, no one's gonna talk, no
one's gonna there's nothing that can happen to me. But
as far as it being a first of all, I
do not believe one bit. If that quote you read

(10:07):
was from fifty cent about it being a victim story,
I do not believe that one solitary bit. Now, if
that was from the director, I'll believe them. Fifty I
think he just got involved because this was a money thing.
He knew it would be huge, and he don't fucking
like fifty I mean, he doesn't like Diddy.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Now. The thing is that I would also say, is
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I do.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'm not of that whole like, don't kick a black
man while he's down. Look, that black man kicked a
black woman while she was down, So why should I
give a fuck about anybody kicking him while he's down.
We had an argument about this. I forget who was
on whose side, but we had an argument about this.
On the is the mic, I don't care. Yeah, huh no, no, no, no, no,

(10:51):
no no. This was about Diddy. This was specifically about
when the news first came out that that fifty cent
was doing a Diddy doc, there was an argument about, well,
you know, you shouldn't kick a black man. While it
was the same argument like fuck Diddy, Fuck Diddy. If
if Mark Lamont Hill had some bad luck and lost

(11:13):
his house and then I don't know, who's a really cool,
smart black person. I'm trying to think. I don't want
to like somebody cool like not fuck. This is a
goddamn shame.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Really good.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I was gonna say Vincetas okay, but you know what, yeah,
we can say Vince Staples because prin Staples is very smart.
So let's say let's say Mark Lamont Hill hit some
bad financial luck, lost his house, lost his car, and
then Vince Staples, who I also think is is an
intellectual in his own way, came out and started clowning.
I'd be like, man, that's kicking a black man. Wale,

(11:55):
He's down because Mark Lamont Hill ain't bothering nobody. Diddy
was doing real day damage to the to the black community,
so why am I gonna be like, Oh, I'm not
gonna watch this because man, it's kicking a black man
while he's days. Bro, this man was graping black women.
What are we talking about right now? It's it's it's

(12:15):
just ridiculous, So.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Go ahead, yeah, yeah not And and you know, I
think they did a good job of showing some of
those things that people did not know. Nick, I don't
know how much of uh Sean Combe's earlier career you
were familiar with. They spent a lot of time in
the first episode with that showing him being a dancer
and all the music videos, starting out as an intern

(12:42):
at Uptown Records and really just kind of growing into
you know, the mogul. How familiar were you with any
of any of that stuff?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
So for me, like it memory wise, I remember like
at least Diddy from Life After Album dropping forward. So
before that, like it was more research as being me
being a hip hop fan of the you know, Uptown Records,
and so like that first episode there was a lot

(13:13):
some new information as far as like him and Heavy
d and that whole party that happened in New York
and all that and how crazy that was.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
And it was just to me.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
That was really insightful to see how much like I'll be,
you know, I forget about especially like our artists that
came out in the nineties, how young they were and
in the limelight and like to be that young and
then in life like and keep growing and it just
makes you know they always say money and all and
fame just makes you more of who you already are.

(13:42):
Like to see that before him at a young age
is like, that's crazy. And then how they wanted to
tie it back to like how his mom and the
death of his pops and all this stuff. It was
just a lot of stuff that I was like, Okay,
they're trying to show the manifestation of this, but my
memory comes from life after death.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
And it seems like the doc says, at that time.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Period that's when he fully became what he is, you
know what we see it today after Biggie's funeral, so
like like you can like I grew up no One.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Well, he had like multiple name changes.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
It was puff Puff.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Daddy, Diddy, Diddy, brother Love and.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
All the other stuff. It's like I've seen all his
iterations from that point and he dancing all the way
like I know, I know it's a serious doc, but he.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Is a dancing He is a dancing ass nigga.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
He does not have us as a stereotype about that.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
So it was just it's just weird that, you know
how they always say that the devil's in the music,
you know what I'm saying. And it's just like to
see his influence because like the songs still are recognizable,
they make it, they still have a good rhythm, but
now they just have a different feel kind of like
just like similar to our Kelly, where it's like, these
are the songs that I grew up listening to, and

(15:03):
now I feel weird about him because I know who
the man is and then you see all these testimonies
and it's just like the thing that got to me
is like growing up, like like when you string along
all these cases and like what he did to Shine,
what he did to the what was his name? Was it?

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Burrow?

Speaker 3 (15:23):
The guy who was y Yeah yeah, like he took
that yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Like and I'm just like, bro, he Like what he
did to Steve Stout was like, bro, like how did
he not get caught?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Like how does this?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
How did he just get to now? The twenty twenty
five or twenty twenty three, Like to me, this that's
the that's the crazy part about it. And this is
like you mentioned, Mike, he was public like he was
the public figure for all of this in the news videos,
all that stuff, and no one said or no one
came out until now. It took a whole new millenniums

(16:00):
to hit for him to go down.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
It took a yeah, they were scared. It took a
societal change, you know, the Me Too movement for people
to take this stuff over. You know, the guy said
he had a lot of money so he can buy
a lot of shit, like Joy Dickerson Neil. You know.
I think in the first episode she was talking about
how she was raped and she was trying to tell
people about it, and I think one of the guys

(16:24):
was like, yeah, if I do anything or say anything,
I won't be able to get to go to the
parties anymore.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Ye And I was crazy. I was crazy.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
He didn't even say a check, he just said a party.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
I'm like, b what mm hmm. Yeah, you know it's so.
I'm sure Mike remembers this growing up, growing up at
that time, Bro, Like you hear these stories, you know,
you hear about Steve Stout, you know, and all this stuff, man,

(16:56):
And it was such a different, dangerous time watching back
this stuff and everything that went down with Buffy Big,
which we get to a sec you know, it just
reminded me, man, like we've come a long way from
where it was. But you're talking about a lot of

(17:17):
these kids. A lot of them were teenagers seventeen eighteen,
so they don't really have an opportunity to kind of mature.
They're growing up in one of the environment they're growing
up in, and then they get access to money and
now you know, there's so you're still stuck in this
sort of infant sort of mindset and you just never

(17:42):
let it. They never let it go and don't even
give a chance to mature. So that's what happened to me.
Like I remember that that City College stampede, Mike, do
you remember that shit?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
So, No, here's the thing about a lot of this
Diddy stuff. I learned about this stuff well after the
fact because Wild Diddy was popular. This was like the
height of all of the underground versus mainstream shit. So
and that's what I was involved in. I wasn't paying
attention to this shit, and anytime Diddy's name came up,

(18:12):
it was always negative because he represented everything that we
hated about hip hop, like all the fancy suits and
the fancy this and the fancy that, and look how
much money I got.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
So all of this shit.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
I didn't hear those Steve Stout stories until well after
because at the time I didn't know the fuck Steve
Stout was and didn't care. I just knew Diddy was
the guy this alleged. I'd heard these stories. It was
always Diddy was the guy that got Big killed. That

(18:48):
was what that was what a lot of us knew.
The other shit Nah, nah, no, which one? Which one
was to Stampede.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
It was a city college. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it was. Yeah,
I think that. Yeah, nine people died. That was in
ninety one. That was in ninety one, that that happened.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
No, I don't remember that. And when he was like, yeah,
that's the thing that made me famous, It's like, God, damn,
this dude was destined to be a piece of shit
exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, did Yeah, the first episode I think
they you know, Nick, you mentioned Melvin COM's I think
there was even a story one of the guys said
about especially when he left when he got fired from
Uptown because yeah, he had blew up because he had
jodys E marriaging Blige. He got fired and then he
was like, I'm gonna do my own thing. And then

(19:41):
the guy said he gave him twenty five percent equity
in the company and then the rest to his mom,
you know, because he didn't want he didn't want the
City College Stampede people to get it. That's bru, that's that.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
And the thing is smart though, Like that's what I'm saying,
Like it's always like it's like evil genius shit that
he did. He always made sure that he he like
he came off I mean, shit, he had so much
baby or you know, his hands was soft. He came
off for he like, he came off very soft. Like
even with like the Sugar Knight shit, it was like
sugar Knight was the devil and Puff was like the

(20:18):
nice guy, especially what he did at the award show.
But then like if you look at the literally the writing,
the contracts, all that shit, he ain't paid no. Boy,
that's my thing is motherfuckers was like loyal to him,
not getting paid getting was it corporate thugged out of
contracts or out of their own music? And shit, I'm like,

(20:40):
how did no one speak up about this? I mean
people did speak up about this because they always said
bad boys. But that's what I'm saying, like, why did
no one believe when it was like villages of people
saying like this nigga is trash?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
As an executive, you couldn't it sounds crazy, you know,
And some people did say, but yeah, you just really
could get.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
But even Sugar Knight was like, I'm better than this
at least.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Like that is interesting because Sugar Knight, that was should
Knight's point when he wanted to create Death Row East.
He heard the stories and he put it out there
even more publicly. And I remember that ship too. It's
like you dancing in the video. It's very popular now. Yeah.
So uh and then to your point, Nick, he what

(21:25):
puff dude get up there? Because he knew that Sugar
was from the streets and he wasn't. He was a
dancer and intern. You know, Uh, he had everything kind
of handed handed to him. But but you know, so
but yeah, he he he was, he was not that guy.
So he tried to present this image. Oh yeah, I

(21:46):
want everybody blah blah blah blah blah, which wasn't true.
But what's on record, what's on video is him saying
something positive, whereas Sug so he looks better than sugar.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Situation, Shug's the bad guy picking on Puff.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Because that's when you asked me about, like what was
it like for me to grow up with? Like that's
what I grew up like.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
It was the marketing, the propaganda of the East coast,
West Coast, because I was that's where the height of
my youth came from.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Was like witness and all that was that it was.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
It was like the West Coast were like the red
you know, demons and whatnot, and then the East Coast
were the blue angels and stuff like that. That's what
it was on my at least my perspective. But then
when you see all this stuff, it's like man like
even even but the the again even new insights of
like Shuge Night was with I'll be sure, so he
was on the East Coast, he knew like everybody was

(22:39):
closely relate, like less than it was not even six
degrees of separation, it was like two. Like everybody was
really involved with each other. So it's interesting to see
how like certain storylines became what they were. Granted, it's
New York City, so of course that's one of the
big capitals of publications and at that time music industry,
so you can spend shit however you want to. But

(23:00):
it's just really really interesting to see how, like you mentioned,
how powerful someone can be and how influential it is
based off that.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Power and a piece of ship going after everybody girls
Albie Sure's girl.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
All the light skin niggas.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, I didn't even Mike that was that was new
for me. I will say that Eric Simon story was crazy, bro.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Like, yeah, Spike was that. Spike said that that did
he hit Eric Sermon? And Eric Simon didn't really do anything.
He just went around the corner and Diddy started playing
the music and I was like, that ain't the Eric Sermon.
I know, I can't see Diddy just fucking punching Eric
Simon in the face and Eric Simon just don't fuck

(23:52):
him up. But Eric Simon just said that he swung
on me. That makes more sense. I could see Diddy
doing that ship and then when Eric simmers like all right, bro,
we about to go down the street and I'm gonna
fuck you up. I can see Diddy being like, oh,
well no, man, I ain't really mean it. Album Ready
to Die baby the next day.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And I'm ready to die.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
That was That was the funniest thing though.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
It is like, imagine you're about to feel like you
about to fight somebody. Somebody plays, so I will say,
hold on, bro, listen to this and it's good. That's
That's how that's how much biggie is I got. He
said Diddy twice.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
He thinks there ain't no way in hell. Eric Simmer
was not a Diddy up.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Hey, And everybody said it on the Dog he ain't no,
he ain't no fighter whatever what you call. You would
call Diddy anything you want, but he a fighter, is
not one of them. So like that was a crazy story. Diddy,
that's always have money because he would have gotten handled
so many times in his lifetime if he didn't.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, and they did a good job with that, like
showing him just surrounding himself with like real street dudes,
you know, and using them as muscle. But yeah, every yeah,
every sermon was like, yeah, we know what this guy is,
but we know he ain't about that life. So taking
around the corner and you know, and see what's up.
But yeah, that that ship was crazy. What y'all think
about Mark Curry? Mark was telling a lot of the

(25:22):
stories too.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Every time they say Mark Curry, I think of hanging
with mister Cooper.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
See it's the hating when mister Cooper is Mark Corey.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I guess because Mark Curry has been the guy who was, like,
from what I've known historically, anytime you get a chance
to hate on Puff or like to speak, you know,
honest truth about Puff, he be the first person anybody
called yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
So he was so he was just he was just
having a great time in this doc.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I don't know him or I don't know anything about him,
but I believe there was he said because of how
the doc ended with him. Look, you don't make up
some ship about a guy and then go on a
big ass documentary and cry and you're a grown man.
You don't do that. That shit affected him. Whatever the

(26:15):
fuck did he was doing affected him. And then he
called him a sucker ass nigga. I believed him. I
believed everything he said. That man was not lying. Yeah,
he wrote I think he wrote a book Dancing with
the Devil or something like that a little bit ago,
and that was just kind of like again expounding upon

(26:35):
what he said in the dock. But uh, what I
did find interesting is that Diddy has no talent except
for his ear.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Because he was saying, bro, I had to even even
though at the end of the doc.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Uh, the young producer was like, bro, we had to
do like eight hundred takes.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
This right, I was like, bro.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
They was like, Diddy is trash like Gabbage, And granted
we knew that too as fans, but.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
You know what I'm saying, Like, but he's still on
very classic hip.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Hop records, you know, with Versus and Ship, so I
guess we kind of let this slide. But like to
hear that from his peers or people who are in
the room, was like, okay, that says a lot.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah. Yeah. Mark Mark Curry was interesting because he was
giving even more insight as an artist. He was like,
nobody got paid, he said, did he got paid? Did
would be in the videos? He would pay himself and
all of those Like he was just laying it out, bro,
And he was like everybody ended up leaving and you
just growing up remembering all that stuff. You're like, damn

(27:37):
like seeing the like retold him like yeah, yeah, they
end up then total like he had a lot of
with the mainstream bro. He had a line up and
hit after hit after hit. You know. Mace was like,
I don't even want to I want to do something else,
was like.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Mason, like again me growing up, Mace became a pastor
like like that, That's what the curty said. People either
end up dead in jail or with God, like you know,
Like it was like it was crazy to see, like
how being around this guy.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Like either corrupted you.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So so much so that you were going you wanted
to go in a whole different direction, or either you
just want to remove yourself or unfortunately other forces removed
you from this life. So it was just but he
was but he's he's a very interesting manipulator because he
gets like what somebody messages, like, he knows how to
please you, Like he knows like.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
He'll get you like he'll promise you fame, he'll promise you.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Record deals, we promise you a chance of music industry,
He'll promise you whatever. And then once he gets you in,
then he makes he knows how to make you dependent
on him, Like, I think the way people stick around
if they weren't getting paid, they were at least in
the lifestyle. So that's why the party's probably made a
lot of h was heavily you know, emphasized on the hotels,
the being in the studio with these bigger artists around,

(28:58):
like it was just it's just it's like crazy.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Like manipulation. I don't know how someone is able to
do that.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
In today's sense, but like obviously, but back then, I
think basically and where he came up, it's easy to
see how he was able to do that.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, that crab Mac story was sad.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Very sad.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Man, What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
The one he said that he had like a water cast.
She only gave him a hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Gave one hundred dollars and broke That's disgusting, man.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
She was his wife said she had to borrow money
from her dad. You gotta hit records, and he just
hit all the money like and you just like you said,
he's and what crab Mac, He couldn't do shit, But
what was he gonna do about to go with sn't night?
And then that's where we get into the Old East
versus West Thing and and Poc and Biggie and watching
this man like we heard the stories that they were friends.

(29:55):
You know, there's a song with them together, you know,
out there and just watching it, man, I was just like, man,
what could have been if this guy wasn't so jealous? Yep?
I mean, my god, man, man, they and just seeing
them together and I don't think I've seen a video

(30:17):
before when they were at the table and they did
a little freestyle and they were laughing. Man, bro just sad.
You know, what did you guys think about, Like the
retelling of the whole Puff and Big story, including information
from I think Keithy d talking about his his involvement
with it.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
It just gives it just gives more of an impression
that a lot of people that thought that did he
had something to do with both murders were right.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
You know, it's pretty It's pretty clear to me.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I mean, obviously I don't have an inside college, but
it's pretty clear to me that did he had something
to do with both of those. He did not like
Pac because he thought pauc was trying to take Big,
which is crazy, and then for him to kill Big.
It made sense too because It's like he knew he

(31:14):
could ride off of that grief shit forever. But there's
also the illogicality of it where it's like, well, he
killed his biggest cash cow. H So I could see
either one, but with Pac, most definitely, most fucking definitely
he has something to do with it, and that's that's
just that's just a shame, man. And you could tell

(31:36):
he was lying when they asked him on fucking that
little interview where they were like, did you have anything
to do with PAC's death?

Speaker 4 (31:44):
You could tell he was lying. Shit, That shit was crazy.
I'm like, who did you think believe that?

Speaker 1 (31:52):
And then they asked him another question like do you
know do you have anything or do you know anything
about Biggs murder? Like who possibly could have murdered Biggie?
And he kind of gave a similar energy answer with that.
For me, it was just.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Like Wow, hearing it told in this way.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Was just like one, like you said, Cam, like we
could have probably got a Tupac big album something like
based off how the chemistry and the friendship that I
was brewing. It seemed like they were really going to
make some like a really big impact in hip hop
that you know, they already have, of course as individuals,
but together it could have been something crazy. And the
like you mentioned, Mike, the jealousy, like to me, like

(32:38):
it makes sense for me. When you were just saying it,
it was like, it makes sense for him to kill
Big if he's someone who doesn't really think that far ahead. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like it's an emotional thing
where it's like I see myself at the top, Like
I have all this talent that I've groomed, that I've grown,
like that I've I've polished and made better. How come

(32:59):
I'm not like that? How come I can't be out
of that? And if everybody's giving Biggie to shine, I
got to remove him, And like you mentioned, removing him
will help me boost my that's the you know, stool
to my platform. So it was just and but even
then that logic, it's just crazy and the Keifi d shit.
I didn't even know how recent that interview was, but

(33:19):
like the way he detailed out like what happened, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
That's easily believable.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
M Like that, that's easily believable.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
And then making Big pay for his own funeral was insane.
If that's true, and then you know, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Was gonna say, but I've also known for years that
Bigg's family has said that he don't really help him
out or like he like financially, Like, yeah, they take
photo options together and shit, but like, I don't, like
you would think that if biggs kids were well.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Taken care of, we would have seen it.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
But I feel like they live very ordinary lives outside
the fact of all, my dad or my granddad, you know,
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Speaker 2 (34:41):
In real time I didn't see the pattern until they
set of him getting more popular with each dev until
they said it in the documentary and they showed it
to us and told it to us. I was like, shit,
you just one thing, said Mike, Like logically it didn't

(35:02):
make sense, but somehow it worked. This guy became huge,
shit made no fucking sense and just went and found
more acts, went and got made. He went and got
all these other people and just continue to blow up
after losing Big it's and.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Dancing throughout the whole thing. Can that's my thing?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Literally dancing on beings great When he came out in
that video with Sting, was that Sting s.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I remember watching that.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I remember watching because everybody was sad with Big Guy,
and I remember watching that and that was like a
very emotion.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
But again, to see it twenty twenty high.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Sided, like, bru, that's one of the biggest slap in
the faces you can make to someone you can see
your best friend. Yeah, yeah, none of us thought about
that at the time, but we look at it now
it's like this is this is fucking insane, fucking insane.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
And I don't.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Remember who said it, but somebody on the dock kind
of implied, like, yeah, that whole ship was planned out.
The second that he died. It was like, oh, I'm
gonna fucking bank off this, and he did. But the
fact that he banked off of it with the worst
music ever fucking made.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Like I. I have a really hard.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Time when people are like, yeah, man, I fucked with
that that Diddy album, It's.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Like, how is that possible? Yeah, I understand it was
a popular album.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
I get it, and you're like, man with hip hop
and you're like, yeah, that Diddy album was was dope.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I'm like, I don't. I don't understand. You must be
a serial killer or something that something is wrong with you.
It's the It's some of the worst music I've ever
heard come out of wrap. Oh No, he got, he
got I've Been Missing You, which was obviously the single,
and then all about the Benjamin's terrible, but those whole

(37:09):
song you know what, Yeah, his part is horrible, but
those are like big records.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Nothing No that ships Tray Bro like again, he was
he was.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
He was the representation of everything I hated about rap,
And when that album came out, it was like, oh,
you're just happily solidifying and bragging about the fact that
you are one of the worst elements of hip hop.
You make the shittiest music. Everybody fucking hates you because
you don't pay them. And now you're like glamorizing the

(37:54):
fact that you can't fucking rap when when I guess
his name is Mark Curry, right, because since y'all told
me Mark Hurry was like, yeah, man, I would write
the raps and he going there and he fucking he
performed them, and he'd be like, that's not what I said,
and that's not how I told you to do it.
Do that ship again. And it's like, bro, you were
in there telling him to do it again, and this

(38:15):
final result is what y'all.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Best to do. He had no business anywhere near a
fucking microphone.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Man, that's he don't I don't disagree, but he got
some joints on that No.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Way I knew.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I never like that. I've never denied not liking that album.
You know, bro, it's it's not him, it's he got
some He got a lot.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Of people doing that.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
He's he's great at directing, Like when they talk about
producing a track or producing an album, he's really great
at that. And it goes to show from the other
acts that we talked about, but like but again you
you it's like we It's like we should have seen
that this wolf was in Sheep's clothing the whole time.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Like because like even with the music, like.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
You said, everybody else is good but him, Like you
can and you can say that about it almost you
go to the music, go to the reality of it
as a businessman when it comes to him and how
you deal with artists, like everything is like everybody's good,
but you you are the the worst thing about everything.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, yeah, you just tolerated and then and then but yeah,
I think it was interesting for them to say that
Mike and then say yeah, when they had a chance
to put Big on, I forgot the cover and yeah
he gonna call it there and was like, nah, I
need to my album.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Like what that sounds about, right?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
They said they said Big was about to do a
European press tour and I think that was around the
same time he was about he got shot, and both
was like, nah, he he ain't about to do that.
I'm like, imagine how big big er Biggie would have
gotten if he would have done that or at that
time when he had everybody listening to him like, Yeah,

(40:09):
I think I think Mike, he I think he wanted
to take him out because he's like, bro, this guy,
it's like the he's a shooting star and I don't.
I'm not gonna be able to be on that those
coattails for long because he's gonna realize how big he
is out no pun intended outside of me.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
And he was gonna leave. He was gonna leave.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Ye. Yeah, story too, Yeah, if I remember correctly, the
story was Biggie wanted to go to Europe and instead
Puff bade him go to California stay.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, stay in La.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, and knowing that he had gotten multiple death threats. Now,
of course he's not here to defend himself. But the
question I would have is, why the fuck did you
let Puff make you do something that stupid? Why did
you think you're gonna be safe in an area that
I hated you? But then again, Mike, again, he's young.

(41:03):
He's only what twenty five, twenty six? Like these are
again these are all still young kids essentially, Yeah, like
and and then and then Puff is like everything he
touches turns the gold. At this point, especially with your
own career, so I got to listen to him, and
based on the.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Contracts, he might be like, my money's tied to this
ship too. If he if he upset that fucked everything up.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
He is just the right people around him, unfortunately, because
somebody should have been like, bro, you're not doing this.
You are not going to California right now. They're going
to try.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
To kill you. And they were, they were telling him that,
but yeah, they were telling them like they don't play
like one I forgot who said it was, like, Bro,
like they don't they get they get down in Cali,
Like you don't want to really do it?

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Yeah, yeah, you don't.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Want to do that. Yeah, so but yeah, no, it
was It was interesting. I remember, yeah, just just living
through that moment and then you know, having the last
story was about did he going into making him sign
over the last twenty of his stock? I think that

(42:10):
was I think that was early on though. I think
that was to get the financing for bad Boy. Yeah yeah, yeah,
but that was crazy. But anyway, and then he left
him broke homeless, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, man, or if it's that baseball bat had been
in before he brought it up in there, you know,
It's one thing to get beat with a baseball bat.
You get beat with a baseball bat with some you
know what I'm saying, some booty juice on it that
makes it's.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Like that that Nagan back with the fucking booty juice
that it might stick to your face.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
It's one thing to get your ass whooped. You get
your ass whooped, and you spell like you afterwards? Yo
do bruh, Ain't no fucking way. I'm like, hey, take
the twenty five percent, bro, I don't need it back.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I'm surprised he still didn't get the money, though. I
think when you anyway, I wanted to look into that
because I'm like, wait a minute, Like when you sell
your stop, that's a cash transaction. How did you not
get that immediately?

Speaker 3 (43:15):
But you heard you heard that?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Nick?

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I was gonna say, you heard that bullshit?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Loune.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Did he say He's I'm gonna take it, but I'm
gonna give it right back? Like what?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
That's probably why he ain't getting no cash out.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Of fight, because did he sit on your sign over
and I'm gonna pay you right back? That's exactly what
I was gonna say. He probably never gave him the money.
He probably told him, I'm gonna hit you back later,
and he never did.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
The last two episodes, you know, most of the stuff
we kind of knew. They gave us a little bit more.
They gave us more backstory on the whole Cassie thing,
nineteen dating Ryan Leslie, kicking Ryan Leslie out the studio.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Basically, hey, Ken, his his hatred for light.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Skinned niggas was crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
He's the Alvi Shore girl at the height of Alvi
Shore's career.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Ryan, I remember the whole Ryland Leslie situation. I don't
know why, but I remember the whole Ryan.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Leaves situation because that was his girl and he was
the one that kind of he got her popping and everything,
and Diddy was like, nah, bro, she remain that. Yeah,
and then Ryan Leslie kind of just went away. It
was a weird like thing because he still had a
he was a really good producer and everything, especially for
R and B, the R and B genre. I don't

(44:32):
yeah that so that brought up some memories. But yeah,
that Cassie ship is like the Ken Porter Cashi ship
was crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah. Yeah, she just had to sit there and just
just take it, like but you can see she was miserable.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
That's crazy you sending you sending your side piece to
the store while your main comes through, and then when
your main leaves, you're bringing the side piece back. That's
insane work. And everybody round know that that's what's happening. Yeah,
because like, oh, we knew Kim was the wife and
Cassie was the wife. He even drug dealers, you know,

(45:08):
they necessary, And I'm like, I get it. But at
the same time, we this is different levels to this ship,
you know what I'm saying, Like, my thing is they
all knew that he was beating up on her. That's
the part that I can't I mean, I can't respect
any of it. But the whole cheating ship, Yeah, it's

(45:29):
fucked up, and that's.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Kind of y'all's thing.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
But like, y'all all knew that he was beating the
ship out that girl behind closed doors, and y'all didn't
do a fucking thing.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
That's wild.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Even even the man who the prostitute was like, did
he kick the ship at her? And I was like, damn,
why are you doing that? He looked at him like, bro,
you ain't about to do a damn thing. Yeah, because
he's with a hard fight like that.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
That black story, bro.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Imagine did he try to disguise himself, went with a
cash sweater.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
And he tried to Southern not have me dying that.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Probably never heard before. He was trying to sound Southern crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
He tried to do a Kevin Spacey Southern accident.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
He t like, it wasn't me. Did the didn't that
guy look like Sterling K. Brown?

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Then he did look like Randall a freaking random.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
He looked like he looked like Leroy from Welcome to Derry.
Jesus hey bro, when he said we was sucking for
two days straight and he was like, how.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Y'all doing this? And they was They was just giving
them all kinds of drugs.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Like have the recipe, but I would I would take
my coum, and you know, he's been doing it for
months and finally I was like, what you're doing with
my cum And he's like, yeah, man, I like to
watch your drink it or whatever the fuck he said.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
And then he shrugged it off and he was like, okay,
whatever you like to do it?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
All right? What like what.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
He was keeping your comb in a tumberware and you're like,
oh yeah, that's normal that he just brings down, makes
her drink it. What what I get that you get
paid for these services?

Speaker 3 (47:37):
But like if someone's putting your nut in a sippy cup, bro, like.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Real, for real, that's great you And it was only
paying on what six bands?

Speaker 4 (47:46):
I'm like, I don't remember, I remember?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I was.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I was expecting like a ridiculous amount because he's in
eight years, Mike.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Eight years, that's what he said, no years.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
But every time he got every transaction was you wouldn't
fuck Cassie for six grand.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Listen, you ain't gotta pay me that much to fuck Cassie.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
But my thing is the ship.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
It's the other ship because Diddy's in the room the
whole time.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Yeah, with that thing, you can.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Have my you can have it all Diddy for six grand. Yeah,
give me the little cup.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
There you go. What you do with this? I don't
need it.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
I don't care about your silent pause. I don't give
a fu No, I'm just saying but because.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Because then he said he was like at first, you know,
the first few times, did he wasn't in the fault?

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Did he? That's what I'm like, all right, bro, he
ain't worth it because you could tell he down played what.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Involved because he was just like, yeah, sometimes it was
I would have her.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
She would ever then you.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Know, like god, we don't.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
At least he got that same that he had Batman
was hey, mane like y'all laughing at No, that's not.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
That.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
That's when when when the when the whole came on,
I was like, bro, this whole documentary could have just
been him. Bro, they say, they say, I'm like you say,
Man for the head. He could have told a bunch
of stories. I really feel terrible for Cassie though, because
I don't know what was going on in her mind,

(49:46):
and I know that the jurors were trying to spend
it like, well she was involved and all that.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
I just don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I don't know, I don't I mean, yeah, I'm sure
she was involved, but I'm just not positive about how
much of that ship was consensual. Like, I just don't
really believe that she was consensually involved because she was
like when she said he met her when she was
like when nineteen or something like that. And the city
she comes, like New London, Connecticut is not that far
from where I'm at, and this is like small town

(50:16):
shit areas.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
It's not like granted again, like I said, it's still like.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
A half an hour and a half two hour train
ride to the city, but that's still a good distance
to have a different lifestyle. So going for her from
going from that, let alone, Ryan Leslie, going from that
to Diddy in like maybe a three years timespan, Like
that's a whole If he's able to manipulate grown folks,
what do you think he doing to a teenage essentially

(50:41):
a teenager or a young adult. Like it was just
like I like, like you said, Mike, especially when you
see that video of her trying to leave from that hotel.
She was she was you could tell she was tiptone,
trying not to make a step.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
And then that video was just that was disgusting.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Diddy went from episode one not doing drugs,
drinking anything to just taking everything pink this lacing the
baby oil with g or whatever they would call it,
just all kind of ship bro. He was, he was,
he was on one. But yeah, I was wondering the
same thing by like how much of this was consensual?
I was just like, you know, just wondering for eight years,

(51:24):
like her being possibly forced to do those things against
their wishes. You know that that has to be a
horrible experience for her to go through. But yeah, but yeah,
that was a that was interesting and they got one
lines that Frank Black and then episode four, you know,

(51:46):
it's kind of like where they just kind of conclude things.
I think we get the Kid Cutty story. That's when
what's Clark? She had an interesting first name came through.
Now her last name was Clark. She told the story
of kid Cuddy, how she was kidnapped to go commit

(52:07):
a murder because Cuddy went hiking.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Oh cut hiking with Cassie and Diddy got mad?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Mm hmm man.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, how Cutty got involved with this ship is it's
just crazy, Like, Bro, he ain't know what the that's
some movie ship.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Bro, somebody throwing a bomb on your car.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I feel bad for him because he just thought, Oh,
I got this fine ass woman that wants to hang
out with me and she wants to go camping.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
This sounds cool. And here come Diddy knocking on your window.
What that's crazy?

Speaker 3 (52:44):
And he you know Cutty from Cleveland, Bro, he a
neighborhood nigga.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
This's all this ship is like otherworldly to him to
deal with that kind of ship, like, man, you ain't
seen no mess with You ain't seeing mess with a
superstar lady. Since degla women for him these days, he
wants a regular fucking librarian type hick.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
And he just and his life was probably spare because
he was with Oh girl, imagine if he was there.
And then they told another story. I think the producer
that did the Love album, which actually actually now we
know why the album was good, because that guy did
the whole damn album. Uh it sounded good. But yeah,

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he sold the story about how they went in the
bathroom and shot somebody.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
That's the thing I didn't know about. I had never
heard that story. You and your son go in the
room and y'all shoot somebody like that and just walk
out and nothing happens.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (53:48):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I'm calm telling fuck that.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
That's the thing. Like one of me is like these
niggas who raised.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Y'all because I swell they made me. It made me
realize I was so glad for the parents in the community.
I was born in.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Bruh.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I am foreign to whatever lifestyle codes they dealing with
it because I would have been like nigga. No, I'm like,
officer is him. I'm there, and I'm glad to be
a square. I see you guys go in the room
and y'all leave, and the motherfucker on the ground bleeding.
I'm way to y'all in your car and you're driving away,

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and I'm telling telling his name is Puff, Daddy of
Love Diddy and his little son. That kind of looked
like fucking Corey Gunns. That's him right there. He's the
one that fucking did it get him too?

Speaker 4 (54:43):
That's insane. We just heard guns what.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
And he said he just kept playing, He just kept
he just kept doing music.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
He kept making music. He said he thought he hit
a button on the keyboard.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Lying make everybody, oh, why that happened?

Speaker 4 (55:03):
You're lying, Mike. That was That was the fucked up
thing about this doc.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
It's like everybody had They was quick to say shit
about Diddy, but they had their little goofball excuses for
why they didn't say shit, like not the victims, but
like everybody, like all the men. Basically what I'm saying
that we're around it, and I'm like, bro, what are
y'all saying? Because y'all suckers, and y'all want to make
excuses for being suckers, like, oh, yeah, I was just

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making my song man, and next thing I know, I
heard a gunsh Let me tell you something right now,
everybody knows that gunshot sound on a keyboard. It doesn't
sound like a gunshot for real. Anybody that's ever heard
a real gunshot, you know the fucking difference. So there's
no way I believe that story a little Rod. I'm sorry.
I hate what you went through, and I hope you

(55:47):
are getting the help you need, therapy all that, but
I do not believe that you thought you accidentally hit
a button on your keyboard.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he had a interesting, interesting story. But
you know the thing about Rod, as we get ready
to kind of close as a girl to close out,
is that little Rod in the documentary not right? Right?
But damn Nick. At this point, Mike, everybody knows the

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stories are out there, and he still made the choice
to go work for him, knowing that you may not
get paid, and it probably may be some other other
stuff going on the industry talks, and everybody knew at
this point. Rod didn't know until he was waking up,
and Diddy was next to him.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
You mean this isn't real about why he won't go
to like what was it? What was it?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Gladys some weapons? But what he pulled the blanket back
and see you're telling me now, Bro, you're telling me, yeah,
ain't no sucking way.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
You just know, Bro, I'm not waking up and Diddy's
in my bed. No, No, we're not going. Bro, We're
not going. God, somebody got to die.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Ain't all for twenty nine thousand dollars? He said? After
all that, Bro.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
You can do that. You can work at Burger King
and get that.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
It ain't bro, My sax still got paid.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
This man was making three to five hundred million dollars
off of merch off of Sean John clothing, and he
could give it twenty nine thousand dollars. He had nine
thousand in his fanny pack.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Wait, why that little why that little far because he
had them up that.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
I don't know why it does that sometimes do that Like.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
I'm about to drop some some real mar sam My
thing though, is like to your point, can even the
the Diddy Dirty Money era? No, not that there, but
like the when they went through the whole MTV making
the band stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Remember one of them said, I went, he.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Gave him all contracts and said you got twenty four
hours to read over this and sign it or else
type shit. The lawyer is that she wanted to do.
He literally said, listen, I'm gonna tell you this right now.
He is selling you fame, not fortune.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
And she was like, and I signed a contract that.
I'm like, what, they'll.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Still make it. I mean, I get how that happens,
especially if.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
You're young, you're poor, you come from a certain neighborhood,
and you don't really have a system behind you. Because
I was with you, Nick, I was like, why the
fuck did you sign that ship?

Speaker 4 (58:45):
And then I thought about it. I'm like, I get it.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
If you call from the hood, I get why you'd
be like, hey man, I'm just trying to get out
the hood.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
I get that mic.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
But at the same time, if someone's telling you you're
literally not going to get paid, it kind of takes
away the you're young, you know that, because it's like,
I'm really telling you as much as your lawyer. It's
not even like his lawyer or whatever, some goofball off
the street. He's whoever was representing you and saying, bruh,
this ain't eight. I get you, yeah, but I'll sigre

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it's predatory and those kind of those kind of people
know who to do that shit to, like those label people.
They know who to fuck over with three sixty deals,
they know who to take advantage of. So I get
how all those people from making the band because nobody
knew any of them. Ne's was the only one that

(59:39):
I believe had a little bit of buzz going around
because he was a battle rapper unless I'm messed up
the timeline, but either way, nobody knew them, so I
see why they'd be like, shit, we got an MTV
show and Diddy even though this contract says He's not
gonna give us no money. I'm gonna be famous, so
I'm gonna get money and just where you know what

(01:00:01):
I mean. So I know what happens, but I'm with you, Nick.
It's sad that these motherfuckers really thought that shit was
gonna be different for them. And then on top of that,
the again growing up, I remember the making the band
stuff and him telling them to go walk to from Manhattan.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Bro, Bro, Mike, I think you lived You've lived out
in New York but everybody. I think y'all all been
to New York.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Manhattan to Brooklyn is not up the strump. You can't
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
It's especially at night at that I don't know what
what season it was, but in New York once they
hit win the time, that shit is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
You're not walking that. Even though girls said that, she
was like, I'm from here, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Sh I've never believed that story, and I still don't.
I don't think that happened. I don't because I don't
think it's physically possible for a motherfucker to walk from
Brooklyn to Manhattan at night. So I thought that was
just dumped up for the show or something, because there
ain't no fucking way.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
It seemed like they.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
I don't think they did it for some cheesecake.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
How bad do you want it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Because ordered because ordered it happily.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
He was like the apple.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
So Nick.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
So it says that you could walk from Brooklyn Manhattan
in about three hours. For some reason, I thought it
was further than that. No, No, I'm just saying I
knew it wasn't. It's not like a day long trip.
It's not walking state to state. But New York is
not a small city. The Burroughs are very spread out,
So even attempting to make that walks like unless my

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child or my mom is like sick and whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
I'm not even considering it. And that's even just to
take the train.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Most things.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Don't even take the train out there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
To walk for some cheesecake for Diddy. Hell no, I'm
even to show that that. After that sentence, he says,
I'm off the show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I'm gone.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Bab wasn't going nowhere, Nick, she didn't have no other options.
Bavs wasn't going no.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
She like she was side of still happy and excited retailers.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
And I feel her, I do. I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
It's like you don't have options, you don't have she
knows that if it wasn't for this show that kind
of made me look like a fool, maybe I wouldn't
be where I'm at. Maybe she got opportunities from that.
I'm sure they all did. I'm sure Nests wouldn't have
been anywhere near as big of a battle rapper as
he got to be if it wasn't for that show.
That's what I'm thinking. I could be totally wrong, but

(01:02:37):
I don't know, man, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
I get it. It sucks though.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yeah. Last couple of things, just a couple of notes.
Uh oh, I don't know. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
One last thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Diddy fucked up when he thought he could do that
shit to the white girl. Now, when he was doing
that shit to all these poor black folks.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
I got how he thought he can get away with it.
But I was like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Anything about this Audrey girl. She don't look like she's
from the hood, bro. She looks like she got you know,
she got an uncle or a cousin that's in law enforcement.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
So I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
The fuck did he thought he was He thought he
was so powerful he could take to white people. You
remember the email he sent to her now, But if
you don't want to, I'm gonna go back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Like it was a kid like it was the way
he had an email.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
He was like, God, bless God.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Put God first. I'm like, you just said.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
You want.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
What is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Say with that?

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
She said, he emailed her dictics.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
I'm like, and his signature is God bless bruh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
And the saddest thing this is the part that really
was just like God, I wish I had to watch
this When she said that she didn't even know she
was assaulted, and she said somebody else either had a
picture or a video or something and she had no idea.
She's like, I don't even remember that. This dude, Diddy

(01:04:29):
is a fucking monster, a monster.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
That poor girl.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Man, God damn that poor girl. Yep, all these poor people,
not just her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Yeah, the hand sanitized thing was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
I don't think that's crazy. I would be on that one, y'all.
I don't think that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
If I'm tapping up thirty people, I'm gonna need sanitize her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
I guess you can logically make that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
When he said in the cards, like y'all just hould
like one hundred fifty people I need to take He
said that basketball I gotta be hot. Hey kid, I've
been out here in New York. You yeah, you hugged
five six niggas.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
You like, I gotta go take her, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
So I don't know if I believe, and well, I
don't know the way he was taking drugs. When guy
said he was trying to get somebody to scene like
Michael Jackson finally got, he said he don't. He danced
four hours to that one song.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
That did he did. I believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
I believe bro Ken. He danced them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
He danced the majority of his knock. Yeah, okay, you've
ever been to a raid.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Those motherfuckers dance for twelve fucking hours, and I can
tell you from personal experience it's crazy and they're all
on drugs.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
So that ship I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
And the last thing I think burrows because he basically
told the whole damn shit like he was the lead guy.
But they saved this one to the end when he
was like, he said that did he did some sexually
deviant stuff? It's his words to him. Oh that was sad. Yeah, yeah,
he didn't. He didn't not go into any detail. You know,

(01:06:14):
he had that pause and he was just like, yeah,
sexual deviant stuff and he just left it at that.
And then I think he was alluded to he had
been homeless and broke. I mean, you built this thing up,
bro twenty five percent. He just can't take it and
then you just get fired and then you just on
the streets, which was you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Know, to see then to see the heights that it
went to, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Like, man, yeah, that was that was awful.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
The fact that, like you said, can he didn't even
want to say what happened. He didn't even want to
go into detail. He's like sexually deviant stuff. That's all
I'm gonna say. I was like, man, that that dude's
been through some ship. That dude is definitely ship some.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Stuff, all right, Well, any final thoughts, he didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
I mean, it just sucks that he wasn't on trial
for domestic violence. That's that's the part that sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
It sucks that he was only on trial for the
ship that the prosecutors knew they couldn't even fucking prove.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
That's the part that I hate because Diddy should be.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Even as someone that doesn't like jail, Diddy should be
in jail. Bro, Diddy should be in jail getting his
see I can't even say his ass, well, but you know,
getting beat down every day every day, just beating the
ship out of him because that he is a fucking
disgusting human.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
And anybody that's still defending him, I just don't understand, y'all.
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I thought that was interesting at the end, the idolization
that they had, you know, the comments about losing kings
and you know, and the guy was like, Bro, they
never did anything for you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Diddy has done nothing for you. He didn't do ship
for the people that were make that made him money exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
The only way I rationalized that because like you said earlier, Mike,
I'm never gonna really I'm not gonna return to this doc.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
So those are my last thoughts on the doc.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
But for the defend people defending him, the only way
I can justify it or say anything to it is
that they've like they've grown up with this man, his music,
his you know, his influence, and they feel like it's
a you know how black people are, Like if it's
only a few of us, like re certain heights, we
feel like they're a part of our family or they're
a part of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Our like story as well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
So like if that's getting taken down, then that's a
part of my memories in my childhood that's getting taken down.
And like you know what I'm saying, Like people attach
themselves to a certain At this point, he was an
entity because you didn't know him as a person. Like
it's just like you get attached to that, and you like,
I got to defend it because that's a part of me. Yeah,
And I think that those people need therapy too, very badly.

(01:08:58):
If you if you have that level of a parasocial
relationship or idol worship, then you need to you need
to seek help because these people have never done anything
for you. And I got abusers in my family that
I've cut off, So if I can cut my own
actual family off, I can certainly cut off this fake
family because Denny's not gonna ever. Look, he don't even

(01:09:19):
loan his friend's money, So Denny's never gonna loan me money.
So what benefit does anybody have to defend someone that's
done this disgusting ship? I think it says a lot
about people that do that, especially but how they feel
about women.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
But yeah, and and manipulating the community to gain that support,
and the and using social media to to suaye people's opinions,
you know, all that stuff, just taking advantage of people
out there. You know, it's more of what he does.
But that's it, man, That's that's that's Those are our

(01:09:57):
thoughts on the Diddy documentary about about fifty And who's
the director's name? I want to shout her because fifty
was the one that just got it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Yeah, Alexandria, what was it like?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Let me look it up real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Nah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Yeah, yeah, I thought it was something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Yeah. Yeah, Alexandria Stapleton, yeah is the one. Yeah, But
fifty was the one that kind of gave it, you know,
a little bit more amplification with the footage and stuff
like that and publicity, you know, because I don't know
how many people would have actually watched it if if
it wasn't for that controversy. But but yeah, but shout

(01:10:41):
out to her. I think she did an amazing job.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
I think she did a good job, really well done.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Mm hmm. So we leave it there, man, We cut
you guys. Next time, we off peace.