1202 - Birth of the Cinema Multiplex

Kevin and Justin talk about going to the video rental store, movie theaters, Disney Sea, Tales from Tyria and more.

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Episode Transcript

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Oh none, What could possibly go? Right? Do I sound like to
wear a swift? A best?Hello and welcome to the gamer Land Podcast.
I'm your host Justin Warsham with meas always is the one, the

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only, the the Kevin Miller dotcom. Jump and press the circle button.
Kevin, please be kind, Pleaserewind? Oh do it? Were
you a rewinder when you had too? Otherwise they'd find you if you didn't.
If you didn't rewind it, they'dopen an up look at it and
be like, that's a dollar,that's right. But then they had a
machine too. They pop it inand rewind from there, which seems a

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dollar is excessive. I love thatwe're jumping right into this. I remember
going into my VHS runtal store andthen there was a wall I noticed that
said rent your favorite Atari games here. Yeah, but it was covered in
a like poster and I was like, that says Atari, do you still
rent Atari games? And she's like, oh no, that that didn't work
out out, And for years Ithought, Oh, they just didn't take

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it down. It was like apart of the wall or a painting or
something. And you know, itwas back when Rental's video rental stores were
gold Gold. Yeah, I don'tunderstand. So everybody had needed an a
rental star. All you need todo is buy videos and you rant them
out. Did you have it?Did you go to a chain or was
your it was a mom and pop. You had the video King that sounds

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like a rider bikes. Yes,and go to the video King. And
then they rented out like nintends SuperNintendo Games. Yea Genesis Games. So
that's what I thought because of thatposter, you can't rent video games like
it doesn't work. And then Iremember when it wasn't until the s and
s that they started to rent videogame again in the store. That was
when it became viable because there weren'ta Nintendo Games. You couldn't get those

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or whatever. Genesis, Sega MasterSystem. I got Sega Genesis, and
I know we had Super Nintendo.And then after that it was just it
was open season and then it wasclose season. And then now video rental
stores are gone. They're gone andto us and if you want a movie
you have to have the Internet andjust click it or video games. I
guess game fly is a thing.Have you ever used game fly? No?

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I thought about it for a whileI think you originally pitched it to
me because I would buy a gameand then finish it move on. Yeah.
Yeah, I have a buddy thatdid it intentionally for one month for
the free game to play Red Deadand then canceled it and got as far
as they could. I like that. I like the cut of that person's
jib's right, Their jib is allcut up. It's all cut up.

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It's very, very very you move. I did that with um should I
announce this on air? Am Igonna get busted? Well? Whatever,
come at me? Game game friendedTVs and then returned to the next day
game game Stop. They have areturn policy. I bought in air Quotes
um Cars three the video game toimplate it as much as I could,

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raced it for a week, andthen on like six and a half days,
returned it. But it came backto bite me because to return it
you have to return it at acertain kind of store, and I was
at a different store than the oneI went to and their credit card machine
was down, so like it tookI was definitely like, oh, you're
really trying to force me to buythis game, But I got it back.
So if you look on my PlayStationprofile. It's one of the games

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I play with trophies and stuff,but jokes on them. It's nowhere near
my library. You didn't do anythingwrong, Yeah, I feel guilty about
that. That's part of using theirpolicy though, right, using it.
That's the intent of their policy.Think I know, because here's what I've
learned about this. Please explain.When they sell a new video game,
the markup is next to nothing.So the way that they made themselves sustainable

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is that they would buy used gamesand then sell those for a markup.
So, and we've talked about thisbefore. Then it also basically they could
rotate through and turn a profit onmaybe un arguably the same disc. Sure,
sure, yeah, So they sellone game four or five times at
a depreciating value, right, butit comes back to the same value because
the they usually resell it for thesame price. I guess unless it's really

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old. You're saying, like theplace eventually, well even if you like
if you get a game that's likelike what's like Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven,
a month after that game comes out, and you could buy it used for
probably forty three forty four buck reallyyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's true. Six sometimes really nowthat seems crazy. If the game's not
popular, then thirty six. Okay, yeah it done so, But how

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often do you buy games from gamestop? You seem very known. Now
I do a lot, But thiswas GameStop was my whole move until one
day I upgraded my game to eBaybecause I found I had a greater profit
margin. But now it's interesting becauseGameStop has come back a out because of
ease. eBay is too hard todeal We do have to deal with a
profit, so you're you may begetting profit, but you're spending time.

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Your time worth five dollars. Yeah, exactly where I could just go there
and I could get the exchange thegame get exactly on what boom, I'm
out. That's what GameStop even letsyou do that stuff. Maybe not,
you can't turn it into them.Yeah, but if you go get it
and then just get a gift card, you could buy a game and have
a shift to your house. That'seven easier. Yeah. So it's nice
to have a middle man in theequation. I think so. But anyway,

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so my point is the reason whythey do that seven day return policies
because that's the that's to get youhooked, like that's to make it make
you feel comfortable buying a game.Trust me, if it didn't make them
money, they would not do it. Yeah, they reduce it to two
days, one day or exactly ifthey thought it was honest. I think
there's lots of people that think they'regonna do what I do and then get
lazy and don't because that's how oneof the ways Redbox does make money is,

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Oh, I just had to returnthis by nine whatever it's a dollar,
and like ten thousand people do thatevery day, three copies of this
movie whatever. I started doing this. This is a I don't know,
I like it, but you knowof like a movie that comes out before
it's like five ninety nine to renton Amazon. If it's a movie I
really want to see, I'll justdrop to twenty bucks. Yeah, because

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I figure I'm gonna pay sixty bucksto go see it at the movie theater.
And this has me thinking that whatif? What if the movie theater
goes away? Like what if?Which has been a real threat for a
long time. Go on, whatwhy do you think that's gonna happen?
We just because like so many.It's so easy to have a nice theater
system in your house, and soit's like I just I would argue that
if you're a movie buff, yeah, that unless you really want some popcorn

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that you want to pay twenty bucksfor whatever the ROI on setting up a
garage. I know what rewind meantbe kind rewind, but I don't know
what ROI may return on investment.Yes, so if different from r EI,
yes, which gives me mountain bikesand dartboards. They have dartboards,
sry probably lawn darts. They're probablynot a thing. But anyway, I

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think because you could, you couldhave you could have a nice seat,
right, you can have a nicebig screen. I mean, realistically,
do you really need to see ittwenty feet wide? Is it that much
more enjoyable twenty You're asking a goodquestions. You throw some surround sound speakers
in, which is very affordable now, And I would argue that if you

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are a movie buff, that youwould enjoy the movie more in your home
than in the movie theater because thereis zero chance of interruption. There's never
gonna be a kid kicking the backof your seat, There's never gonna be
a tween who's chatting and talking itup during the movie. When you're trying
to enjoy it, nobody's there toannoy you. You don't got to listen
to crackling anything. Although as afamily person, this is I shoot my

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entire theory here in the foot Yeah, because when we watch movies at home,
everyone's like, oh, hit pause, I gotta go to the back,
And so you're waiting while Juju andGigi going to the bathroom and make
bacon. I don't know, Ijust it's funny because I sound like just
an old man in my house whereI'm just like, at the movie theater,
you're fine, Yeah, attend it'sa movie theater. You don't need

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to get up and get a snack. It's two and a half. Do
you miss part of the movie?Yeah, So if you need to go,
they don't pose it for you inthe movie. Although there's many many
Avengers movies that I wish we couldhave an intermission, like can we all
just agree to posit right now?This movie is like seven? You know
what I mean? If you paidtwenty bucks and then but then I would
I would wonder. Then that meansthat movies don't make as much money.

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Yeah, because they need that tenfifteen dollars a ticket now in order to
well, I think yeah, ontop of it, they'd find other ways.
But I think what you're describing isthe disruptive industry. How every industry
has to deal with disruptiveness. Andmovie theaters have been through this before because
when the advent of the movie theaterhappened, Hollywood is a beautiful example.

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Everybody's answer was, you build amovie theater, and so the Hollywood Boulevard
and all the like stricks like thatwere populated with single screen theaters all over
the place. Then some bright eyed, bushy tailed disruptive industry cat came around
and said, why if we havea building with more than one screen in
it the multiplex, and the multiplexpushed all those theaters out of existence or

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forced them to reet con and addother theaters. So now that's why there
are so many strip clubs on HollywoodBoulevard, because they once were glamorous movie
theaters of the nineteen thirties and forties. But they go away, and now
nowadays that was probably true about twentiesghosts. They get to hang around.
That hunt is why are we hereimagine, imagine if in nineteen what would

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be nineteen sixty something. Yeah,yeah, right when the multiplex first was
born in early seventies. Arguably youcould have passed away and been a huge
movie buffet in the fifties. That'swhy you want to hang out. And
now the only place where you canhang out is now a strip club,
or now it's probably Intelligencia Coffee isHollywod's really getting its act together a lot

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of that. Yeah, yeah,that's like New York. This is getting
too inside baseball. But it's funnybecause I love the valley here in southern
California so much so for the peoplewho are listening from all over the world.
Is that there's La proper right overthe hill where all the hubbub and
all of that is happening. Andthen you go over this big mountain range

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and you end up in the HollywoodHills. Actually, yeah, so you
in the valley is still La tobe fair, I live in La you
live in Burbank. Yeah, buteven though I'm I'm in Los Angeles,
it's part of Los Angeles County,but no, I'm part of La City.
Uh. But my point is isthat the people who have grown and
lived in Los Angeles. They frownupon those who dwell in the valley.

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Yes, even though you're still inthe same city, all of that stuff
and lots of people. So betweenthe two, I like, one time
I went I can't remember why,but I went over the hill and it's
so to me, this is somuch more family friendly, Like it's just
such a nice suburban vibe. Yeah, and so I over the hill,
no joke. First billboard I seewas like, hey, don't forget to
get yourself tested for STDs. Yeah, oh, welcome, Welcome to Hollywood.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Iknow, I know that ad and
that's prolific. Yeah, they're everywhere, that's not We're we have the Detective
Pikachu movie. Yeah, you know, Burbank, Suburbs. It's so funny
how those three miles are incredibly differentdemographics. Yeah, um, even the
ones that are like for your consideration, we get a lot of these ends.

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I realize that this is not normalfor most of the world, but
there are literally billboards in Los Angeleswith the title of movies that are up
for Oscars or Emmy's and the nominationssections they're in, and then like clips
out of magazines and say why it'sso great, and it says, for
your consideration in all departments, whoare they targeting. They're targeting the tiny

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like point oh one percent of thepopulation. But because of of union rules
and laws for how they do thenominations, they can't email those people and
say please consider a movie. Allthey can do is load a shotgun of
ads and shoot it in a billboard. You can please nominate our movie.

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There's so many on the pass fromBurbank into Hollywood. It's called Barroom Pass,
and there's like one for Toy Storyfour and one for Last of Us
or whatever this is for the forTV they put them on the light post
like you're smaller, yeah, yeathe television. Yeah, so that somebody
cares. So the disruptive industry nowis the home entertainment industry, and you're

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and that's what I think we're seeingis the push towards the recliner movement within
theaters. So have you seen somany of the theaters, especially around here,
they're trying to mimic your house.They don't have the crappy seats that
force you to sit economy class.They're like, okay, we're gonna give
you the high leather back. We'regonna give you the nice thing. You
would be so hard pressed not tofind a movie theater today that doesn't do

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a sign. See there are someeverywhere. There are no there. You'd
have to work at it, you'dhave to try. Yeah, they're not.
I feel like they're about fifty fiftythere are oh maybe maybe around even
one like the smaller eight screen.Yeah, you're now they have a science
no, yeah, even the CENTEMR. So now the big disruptive thing that
they're trying to push back against whatyou're talking about is ice theaters. Are

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you familiar with these? Uh,it's an acronym ice. It's a immersive
cinematic experience. So one just openup downtown. I wanted to ask,
but better I forgot. I wantedto go see Jamanji two with you.
Tell me about this where it's likeit's on the sides too. Yeah,
so there's screen. You have aregular movie size screen, and then there
are slits of more screen along thewalls of the theater. So it's not

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a full like cinerama dome experience orthese like periscoping things or you know,
soaring over the world. A CaliforniaEventure make you throw up from the seat
movie, but it has enough,just enoughing you're peripheral to feel like the
movie. The screen is extended andthen there's some lighting effects even behind those
to like project onto the wall,so as the colors change, the colors

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on the walls change as well.Um, And they are apparently the most
profitable movie theaters in the world becausethe United States will love them. They
love them. They're also very expensivetickets. The tickets price is very high,
but people are willing to buy themall over the world. Ice theaters
are finally starting to show up herein the state, but that's because people
like people who are cinophiles. Theyhave like they they like the idea of

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it. It's an experience for them. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
which but I would argue it's thesame thing I argue with my kids on
Skins in Fortnite, like going experienceis basically the same no matter what.
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.Like it's essentially they're like, how much
really, how much more are youextra do you need to enjoy Avatar?
And without the cinema now the onlythe closest I experience I have to.
This was the old Transformers three Dexperience at Universal Studios, and they had,

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uh, their answer for it wasthree movie size screens, so instead
of just one screen, it waslike and then one to the right and
one to the left, all projectinga movie. So you're it was kind
of like the old three D orthree immersive thing, but on three screens.
Um, And I remember that beingtransportive of like sitting there and going,

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oh, I definitely feel like Iam outside right now because you're engaging
so much of my peripheral. Thatwas an unusual experience. Um, you
don't think that if you saw amovie with extra line, like if it
was you know, all the wayto hear I'm putting my hands just on
either side of my face, youdon't think that that would change your because
I don't like VR gaming, Like, but it's not here, it's not

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where my hands are, it's outthere. Just like you're seeing this room,
you can see the thing over there. It would be the same,
like if it's if it's using peripheral, yeah, right then like that's it's
still VR. Yeah. Like ifI move my head, I want to
be able to see where you know. Oddly, enough. It's how the
Mandalorian sees because he just says,a little stripping right in front of guys,

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I have no peripheral. He wasgreat at Narcos. Oh my gosh,
the Mandalorian. He's got he's gotskilled. So many people are wondering,
though, what does be kind rewindmean? Do you think? Do
you think? Do you think atthis point, nobody like they're pil Why
would they say be correct? Doyou think? I think? I think
there are enough people that are like, I don't care and I've moved on.

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And they definitely were like, Ididn't know what that means. I
can tell it happens based on thefact that they were talking about vhs.
Is that had somebody to do withhaving to rewind tape? But I think
it's safe to imagine that about halfof our listeners at this point have never
legitimately had to contend with a VCR, that their their primary form of media
was DVDs. When you google thephrase be kind rewind, yes, you

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get the Jack plaque don cheetle?Is that don Cheeto? Right? I
can It's Danny Glover. Danny GloverDanny Glover movie from two thousand and eight.
That's what comes up when you dobe kind rewind. Ironically, it
also shows it where it shows youcould get it on Amazon, Prime,
YouTube, Google Play. You remembera few years back back Beck released an

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album that was just sheet music.No, yeah, it was a couple
of years ago. They didn't hereleased an album, but it was sheet
music and that's that's how the albumcame out. I feel like that'd be
a real baller move to make amovie. And the only way to get
it was on VHS, which we'vediscussed on the show before. The last
manufacturer of h VCRs was two thousandand ten, so you would have to
go to a pawn shop or somethingto find one. Now, oh my

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god, I don't know why.That remind me of somebody asking I saw
your comment on Facebook. Somebody askedlike, Hey, could somebody help me
convert this VHS or whatever? Nojokes, this is serious. Try to
cold joke. Yeah, because hewanted a VHS converted to a DVD.
I was like, what are youtalking about? Man? That's like the

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Baby Steps. Yeah, that's likegoing, can you confort this Beta Max
to a cassette tape? Like?What is wrong with you? I like
that that guy is more Booper thanme. Yeah, if he had just
said could you digitize this? ThenI would add nothing to say on But
like, you do you really?What are you gonna do with a DVD?
Do you even have a DVD playeron your computer? What are you
gonna do with that? Do yousnug in a barter system? I think

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he thinks that he can't. Youcan't go vhs a hard drive, that's
just insanity. Six months from now, he's like, does anybody know how
to rip a DVD to my harddrive? What's wrong with you? Man?
The slit on the side of mycomputer's gone. I can't find it.
There's no where's my cup holder?Come on? Even better if you

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do, let's just do a DVD. He sets his laptop down and goes,
huh, where there's a thing,seems, where's the Google? Where
is the slit on my computer?How do I put a DVD in my
laptop? Have you turned it offand turned it back on again as it
plugged in? All right? Whenwe come back, I'm we're gonna go

(19:12):
to an old class. We're gonnaplay some stump. I have a new
game for you to play called didyou know, so what could possibly go?
Rock? I probably don't know.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(20:07):
I don't know. That's Billy Idolo. Billy Idol is the one who
sinks. Sorry, it's Philly Bush. Oh no, Philly Bush. That's
a horrible name for the way thatI can't do this. It's it's Jet
Bush. Sorry, it's Jet Bush. Oh, I got I got something
for Jet Bush? Do you really? I do? I do? I
have a good one. Where'd itgo? Please clap there? Yes,

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yes, my favorite Jeff Bush moment. Please please clap, please clap.
That reminds me of one of myfavorite bits in Iron Man two, where
he's like, Noah, the newspapershave gonna run into a new problem.
They're gonna run out of ink inthe Room's like and then he then,
because he can't handle negative criticism,they come to move the podium. He's

(20:53):
like, can't get that out ofhere, Like somehow it was their fault
and the podium's fault, that is, it didn't Yeah, I love I
love me some hammer good. Yeah, come on the worst. He's the
best, worst bad guy. Ilove it all right, let's bring someone
in. Anybody you you choose forstump for stumping it up. Let's try

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Tara. All right? Hello Tara? Oh hi, Hi Tara? Do
you don't want to be here?Tara? Have I ruined your evening?
No? It just surprised me asall. Welcome, Welcome to the surprise.
Have you ever played a game ofstump with us before? Tara?
Uh? Nope, I haven't reallybeen in this server for very long.

(21:37):
Well, welcome. I chose you. Glad to have you here. You'll
be a fresh voice. Here's howthe game of stump is working tonight.
It's called breaking or squeaking like itnormally does. When I'm nervous, You'll
you'll be great. Are you nervousjust a little bit? Why? Fine?
That that's not a letter of thealphabet? What? I don't think,

(21:59):
We don't fig your nerves, don'tworry. You didn't squeak. So
let's let's honestly break this down.Why are you nervous? What do you
what could possibly go wrong right now? Uh? I don't know. I've
never really done this thing before.You've never done a podcast? Unknown creates

(22:21):
anxiety within people, that's legitimate.You this right now, you're genuinely answering
questions. So you're crushing it.Yeah, we think you're doing great.
Yeah, So nerves be damned,nerves be damned, and let's play.
It makes you feeling better. I'mnervous about the questions I have because I
really want this to go well andI hope I don't screw it up.

(22:41):
So and I will be going headto head. Thank you so much,
kind of. I'm really excited forit. So I'm it's a variation of
two truths in a lie. Justin, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna
tell you thing three things asking didyou know You're gonna tell me which one
of those you think is not true? Okay? Then Tara, you are
either going to bet with Justin oragainst Justin oh, and decide whether or

(23:04):
not you think he was right.I will destroy you too, Okay.
So if you guys, you caneither win together or you can bet against
him, and one of you willgo down because there's three answers as a
chance that both of you could bewrong. Oh. I look forward to
being correct on all of these.So I have recently watched all of the

(23:25):
Amazing Imagineer episodes on Disney Plus.Justin, did you watch that show?
Not? Oh? Thank God,because had you you would be able to
pass the quiz. So, Tara, have you watched that show? I
don't think so. Okay, great, So there's a great choices. So
there's an awesome documentary series on Disneyplus six parts called The Imagineering Story,

(23:48):
and they go through the history andchallenges and successes and failures of imagineering throughout
history. It has greatly inspired me. And so I have three statements for
you, justin. Did you knowabout imagineering? All with a watery nautical
theme? So you must like water? Find one that's not true? All
right about it? You're gonna begreat, taras killing it? What could

(24:12):
possibly go wrong? Okay? Youdid you? It got real? He
got real, delightfully attacked. Yeahsbecause you want to do it or because
you were lying about killing him somany so many layers. Does it count

(24:36):
if you say it? If?Does it take it out? I haven't
heard that since elementary school. Ilove it, Tara, here we go,
justin. Yep, did you knowthat before California Adventure was to be
installed in the parking lot of Disneyland, it was going to be on the
shores of Long Beach. Did youknow that's a B. Did you know

(24:59):
that took you? Disneyland has asister park named Tokyo Disney CEA. Did
you know that Disney World has fourtheme parks and two water parks, including
Triton's Kingdom and Blizzard Beach, whichone of those is not something you should

(25:21):
know? The last one, BlizzardBeach, Triton's Kingdoms Disney World is Florida.
Yeah, all right, all right, so you choose see see for
Justin, Tara, will you bebetting with or against Justin this evening?

(25:44):
It's very simple, Terry. Youalways vote for me, Terry, you
think about it. I'm always right. Justin's gonna present his case for you.
Justin, Why did you choose see? I feel like I've heard the
Long Beach story before? And whatwas the second one again? Disney Land
and Disney I think there is athere is another one that is there?

(26:04):
Yeah, like kind of like aCalifornia adventure type. Yeah, they are,
but but that other stuff. Thenames don't sound very Disney to me,
and I've never heard that before.So that's the and it's gonna be
great, especially because the biggest reasonwhy I chose that is because those don't
sound like Disney names. So ifI am wrong, then I would be

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like to me, that makes iteven that's hilarious. All right, good
to know, Uh, Tara?Do you bet four or against Justin?
I should have said in the unlikelyevent that I'm wrong against how Oh no,
no, no, not all right, Tara? Which one do you
think then is not true? AB? Disneyland has a sister park named

(26:51):
Disney c C that was other thanthat would mean you would agree with me,
Tara, start being nervous. Nowwait, which one se so you
are agreeing? Would just agree withme? The breeze? Okay? Eight?

(27:12):
Hey, al right? Good?All right? So you think Disneyland
was originally going to be in LongBeach, Disney, California venture. That
seems right. Where are you from, Tara? America? Good? It's
really narrowed. Are you from theWest coast, East coast, mid or

(27:33):
south Mountain? You know what timezone? Uh? For me? Right
now? It's ten? Okay,great, So she's on mountains of time.
Alright, mountain time. I'm gonnago with h Colorado. I was
gonna say, Utah, really okay? All right, so that's part of
the game. No, uh,Tara, you are wrong. Sorry,

(28:00):
man A justin, I didn't getyou you yet so oh no, I'm
right. Well let's seek no disneyLand or Disney's California Venture was originally pitched
to be in two locations, eitherin Anaheim or in Long Beach, and
they tried to get the two tocompete against each other in a Long Beaches
like we're good. Thanks. Therewere several attempts, but it was going

(28:22):
to be on the coast there andeventually they're like okay, and then in
a very infamous weekend, went awayin an executive's retreat without the imagineers,
if I can understand, and cameback and said, I know what we'll
do. We'll make a California Landin California in the parking lot. It'll
be great. And that's why wegot California's Adventure. I can't imagine.
I was there last summer and itwas awesome. It's it's improved greatly,

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and the documentary does a great jobof explaining how and why it was terrible
to begin with and how and whyit became great, which I think is
a little unfair because Michael Eisner wasthe reason why it was not so great.
But as he pointed out, noone ever thanks him for the fact
that Disney became a profitable company.It was it was about to die when
he took over. He righted alot of ships, and for a company

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that prides itself in innovation, hedid innovate. He figured out a way
to make budget theme parks a reality. It creates second gates. But because
it wasn't, and then tried newthings, but they weren't the right new
things. So he's a bad guyand we crucify him. I don't think
that's fair. Perfect exactly the exactlyso so sorry. His head is frozen

(29:29):
somewhere Eisner or Disney. No,Eisner is alive. He's actually in the
Doctor Man frozen head. That's he'svery uncomfortable. He's like mister Freeze.
Oh uh so you are right.Yeah. However, however, I would
like to point out the Blizzard Beachis absolutely a very real theme park Usney.

(29:52):
No, yeah, no, it'sit's one of the two water parks
in in Disney World. They haveBlizzard Beach and another one called ship Recover
or something. I changed the nameto Triton's Kingdom, which is actually a
land in Tokyo Disney Sea in anattempt to throw you off, but it
didn't. It wasn't enough. Yeah, the Bulcher's that one felt Blizzard Beachy

(30:14):
had opened in ninety eight. Ithink somewhere in name. Blizzard Beach is
great. The theme behind it isthat there was a blizzard that came through
Orlando and it was so instantaneous andso big that the locals built a pop
up ski resort. But then,because it's Florida, uh, two days

(30:36):
later, all the ice melted,and now what we're toboggans are incredible tubing
water slides. That's the theme atBlizzard Beach in Disney World. It's pretty
great. But why we're really hereis because I want to talk about Disney
Sea. You knew that Tokyo hada sister park. Yeah, one of
my clients were he's an imagine Yeah, and did did he go ahead?

(30:57):
Tara? I looked it up.That is illegal. You forfeited all your
prizes more, Tara, she googledit. That's gonna be a drop.
I hope we didn't step on itlast year. Respect Yeah, she made

(31:22):
Tara, Thanks for being on theshow, Thanks for trying, Thanks for
googling you she was gonna choose DisneySea, though, um So when I
discovered did you know that Disney Seawas a thing. You just knew that
there was there was another park,but the name Disney Seed didn't didn't.
I thought that that would sound sillyenough to where you wouldn't believe it.
It did. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, but the Blizzard Beach,

(31:44):
ironically was the one that I waslike, that's an actual that's also real,
and that didn't fall for you.When I learned that there was a
Disney Sea, my head like turnedupside down. So there's disney Land.
Oh, there is disney c Itis a non lem theme park. And
so the story goes that they werepitching that Tokyo So Tokyo Disneyland is not

(32:06):
owned or operated by Disney. Itis licensed from another company called Oriental Land
Company. But it is trained andthen quality controlled. That's what I thought.
But apparently that's that's wrong to justsay make that joke. It's confusing
times. We live in, myfriend. So, they had pitched a

(32:28):
bunch of things, had worked abunch of stuff out, and actually the
Long Beach project was going to bethis like Port of Disney, and the
original plan was to have it connectedto their cruise lines that they had just
started. So the idea was thereto be a theme park and then a
cruise ship and you could like jumpbetween the two resort for a while,
get on the cruise ship, comeback to theme park. That didn't work

(32:49):
out, so there's still Disney Cruises, but they took that idea and funneled
it over to Disney C. Andit's funny because the two parks were being
built at the same time, CaliforniaAdventure and Disney C. Disney S being
funded by the OLC, who knewthat they wanted quality. They're like,
make it as big as you can, spend as much money as you can.
The more details, the better,do all the things that we love.

(33:13):
Meanwhile, California Venture was being grownand they're like, can we make
go over to the theme park departmentstore, see if you can pull a
couple of rides off the shelf thereand slipt goofy on it and see that'll
go rather well. So the twoparks are actually born within the same year,
released within the same year. Butgood luck finding anything to do about

(33:34):
Tokyo Disney see as I've tried,because it's like the forgotten quiet theme park.
But if you look up reviews peoplethat have been there, any travel
tips, they'll be like, it'sthe most beautiful theme park that has ever
been made. It is enchanting.You walk inside and there's an active,
working volcano in the mid Instead ofa castle, it's a volcano, and
then you walk around to seven differentports that are like the Port of Discovery

(33:58):
or the Arabian Coast or Rights Kingdom. One of the lands is indoors to
make it feel like you're underwater.There's a hidden island that you go inside,
and then there's a secret lagoon that'sthere. And this in two years,
they're expanding it to include Tangled andFrozen in the Fantasy Springs, the
eighth port of the Disney Sea.I'm in love with this theme park.

(34:20):
I cannot get enough of it.It's really annoying my wife. It's why
because it's all I've talked about fora week. Do you understand? Every
night she's like, what are yougonna tell me about Disney Sea. To
the point, just because of thisdocumentary, are you I didn't know it
existed that It's been around for twentyyears, and I had no idea that
there was this incredible, other,brilliantly themed Disneyland. Disney Sea is the

(34:42):
plan. Now you're gonna go.I kind of want to put it on
my bucket list, or just lookat a lot of the Latics to the
Bowl of Adventures for the Millers.Gotta go, but the tickets. My
daughter does like sushi, right.So the one thing I'm realizing is that
the park, while the signs arein a English because it's an American park
in Japan, all the things thatpeople say are in Japanese. All right,

(35:07):
they don't the tour guides the risefall ahead and let them know you're
coming. I will be there andI only speak the English. Yeah,
please make it more for me.Right, someday, maybe maybe for my
fiftieth Winter anniversary. Do you thinkmy wife would go for that? Absolutely,
it would be great, honey.I think she doesn't like Japan.
No, she would love to go, but she would be like, we'd

(35:27):
do that one day, right,I'm like, We're flying there. That's
what I'm doing for like seven days. I'm just gonna walk around. She
would want to fly to Japan.Yeah, oh, but she wants to
do other other things. I thoughtyou would want to fly to Japan,
be there for a day, thatgo home. It also feels silly to
fly to Japan just to go tothemes like that's the catalyst. No you
don't think so. No. Ithink you go for the theme park and
you leave. It's interesting story.That's been two hours outside of the theme

(35:51):
park. They're not terribly expensive ticketsto go to Japan. There's a guy
that I used to work here radiowith that he goes to all the Disney
parks like that's his vacation. That'sthe thing he does. He'd like,
he'll go to Japan, does notgo anywhere but the park, but he
goes there in the park and thenso he knew all about Disney Sea.
He's probably been there. He's beenthere a bunch. I'm sure. Can
I be friends with him on Facebook? I want to see. I'm hungry

(36:13):
for it. He'll have lunch andtell you all about it. I gotta
get. I bought a map,a park map on eBay for three dollars.
Somebody had brought back a map likeyou know that you get at the
gate at least condition or it looksgreat. No, no, it looks
great. I mean it looks likeit's been mailed, so it's a little
flat. But it was in wonderfulCande. I was like, this is
great. It's like it's as ifI went to put it up on the

(36:35):
wall or what. It's not thatpretty. I have another like a concept
art that I have that they madethat has Disneyland and Disney Sea together.
When I was a kid, wewent to Disneyland when I was like five,
and that was my souvenir was amap, and that thing hung in
my room for a good five yearsafterwards, and I would just disintegrated,
caught on fire. It expired.The last I want to say about Disney

(37:00):
Light, Oh sorry, you don't. Why who's apologizing to me? Nobody's
doing anything wrong. Two things.My wife joked and said, uh when
I said, hey, you know, I got really great news, She's
like, oh, did you findout there's a Disney Air as well?
That's sickburn? Sick burn, dearchick is funny man, She's pretty good.
I still laugh at like Disney Air. Do you think they'll do it?

(37:22):
Though? I want them to completethe set Disney Eyes yeah, what's
wrong with you? Um, So, I don't know how well you know
your Disney trivia. I've always hada decent amount of Disney trivia, but
I've really since this um documentary,SERI has been trying to properly educate myself
on not just Disney's version of thetruth, but but other versions of the

(37:44):
truth. So somewhere between the twois truth. So, um, you're
familiar with the little section of Disneylandcalled uh, it's currently called Critter Country
and it right now it connects FrontierLand to Star Wars Land and then kind
of back around again. Um.So I always thought it was strange that
you have like Frontier Land, thenNew Orleans as you walk around the water,

(38:05):
and then Kritter Country and up untilStar Wars was open, that was
a dead end within the park.And they came back and turned around and
come back. Yeah, exactly,and so what's the point now? It's
nice because it's actually a walk aroundthe lake and Tom Sawyer's Island or Pirate
Island. So I kind of lookedit up and found out like why did
they do that? And I thoughtI always thought that when they built New

(38:27):
Orleans area that they're like, oh, and I guess we should do something
up here. Let's let's do BearCountry, which is now Critter Country.
It wasn't the case. Originally thatwas part of frontier Land, and the
parts of New Orleans Square that we'rewithin the park were also frontier Land.
But the section that is now aCritter Country, a big portion of it
was originally an Indian village. Andso like in nineteen fifty five, you

(38:49):
went up in there and there waslike a working Indian Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, And so I can onlyimagine because it was early on to that
when he was a kid. Yeah. And so somewhere in like sixty two,
almost like or maybe sixty seven,so about ten years into the thing's
life, they went, maybe thisshouldn't be an awkward anthropology experiment up here.

(39:10):
Maybe we should make it about anthropomorphicrobot bars. That's the whole thing
in the canoe ride in the lakewas that was a part of that,
but they maintained that. But itused to be like so that was Native
American costume. Dude would row youaround the lake, and not that long
ago before Star Wars Land, youknow, the lake was twice as long

(39:30):
and if you took the canoe rideor the ferry part of the back because
that that lake was huge. Ittook forever to go around. Part of
it was an animatronic indians back upthere. I remember thinking, this place
is giant. Look at all thisunused land. They should put a theme
park back here. And then somebodyheard me and put Star Wars in,

(39:51):
And then I heard that they haveto keep a lot of teenagers from like
making out on Tom Sawyer's Island.Oh sure, and then getting back in
those It's a lot easier now becauseit's the part of the island that remains
is all structure. There isn't anywilderness. Before, it would have been
easy to like kind of like hikeoff. But I always assume they just
put on infrared because they have toclear that island off for fantasmic as that

(40:15):
goes off. You can't have peopleon that island. There's literally fireworks going
up. So I was imagined thatthere's like Disney security guards with the Jurassic
Park heat sensitive goggles, like like, I want to play that video game.
It's funny. What Disney stuff I'vealways interested is the cats. There's

(40:35):
tons of them. They have theirown web page. Yeah, and uh,
my friend Leslie is also an imagineer. How many imagineers do you know?
Just to same here? Three?Oh yeah. So but they talk
about like basically the park shuts downand then they like they all come out.
Oh really like that you see themeverywhere. That's so funny. Yeah,

(40:57):
it's uh because I worked there backat the fiftieth anniversary and one of
the it's one of the most magicalthings I've ever experienced working there. There's
a section over by Bear Country whereyou kind of walk through the backstage and
you know, it's sixty years old. It's super gross. It actually smells
like rossuage. It's just like agross, ugly backstage area. And if
your call time is early in themorning, you're there like eight or nine

(41:21):
before the park opens, and youpush open these just plane looking double doors
and you step out onto that lakein the middle of Hunger Bear Cafe,
and you look, it's like walkingonto a holidack. This Suddenly you're in
the middle of the woods and thereis this serene body of water and these
giant trees and birds chirping everywhere,like and I'd actually do a double pit

(41:43):
take the first time to look backand be like, no, that's I
was just in there and now I'min the magic. Yeah, Disian is
gorgeous in the middle of the morningbefore anybody's there. But unless you're an
employee or a cat, you probablydon't get to see it very I'm only
going to get there. You oneof those. Maybe the incarnation is a

(42:04):
thing. Oh, you're not gonnaapply, because it's a lot greater guaranteed.
I don't think I could be.I would have a better chance of
coming back as a cat than gettinghired at that theme park that also needs
to be a drop. Is that? Are we good? We're doing that?
Thanks? Thanks for letting me geekout. No, you geek out
anytime you want. I think that'skind of why we're here. So good,

(42:25):
all right, We'll be due.Oh ah, did you cut my

(43:10):
reverb off earlier? I did itas you were holding it was good.
I waited for you to run outof breath. I followed your breath as
well. Done. That was whatI was trying to do. I was
masterful. I don't know if itworks. That didn't work. Today is
the day I've been waiting for.And as soon as we wrap this stupid

(43:31):
little podcast up. I'm gonna gohome and play Guild Wars go By because
by done done. Because today isthe day that episode two of the Ice
Brood Saga finally drops. New mapokay, bye, so many new exciting
things. I wanted to test itbefore coming here, but I decided to

(43:52):
savor it all. It's a bummerthat we record this on Tuesday, because
a lot of gaming news, notjust in Guild Wars but in general,
often drops on Tuesday and we don'tget a chance to to get on it
or experience it. And then they'relike, oh and we change the day.
No, no, no, theworld be damned. We're a week
behind, says this is a podcastit list forever. Do you know that
the Sega Genesis just came out?Wait? What? So amazing? Sixteen

(44:15):
bits of color in graphics. Areso lucky to live in the past.
So lucky. But the exciting whathas been happening over the past few weeks
is the Lunar Festival. Uh So, Guild Wars has five festivals. Have
I mentioned this before that we're inthe Lunar Festival at the Lunar Festival just
not yeah, because we the thingthat's so funny is that so got Mac

(44:37):
the knife kind of guy that comesout for the Lunar Festival or no,
that's uh, that's the Halloween Festival, which is one of the five.
So yeah, that's right. Wellback the knife. He I thought,
like, remember the big Mac commercials, Yeah with the moon. Yeah,
yeah, no, that's not athing, but I like that maybe that
was a joke he made at thelast Lunar Festival because it doesn't sound familiar.

(44:59):
But everybody, I mean to dothis again next year, I'll say,
somebody in the chat Lunar Festival becausewe will still be doing tales Room
Dara. Um. It's really fun. So it's the Year of the of
the Rat, which, by theway, California Venture makes it the Year
of the Mouse because it's Disneylands.Um. But it's uh, it's very
charming, and it's a smaller festivalthis time around, but you can earn

(45:22):
fireworks in the Lunar Festival right now, and those give you really great luck
points. So what I like isthat each of the festivals kind of have
their own flavor within it, andso this one you get the roller Beetle
Derby's that you can get on.So everybody can rent a roller derby and
zoom around in those. Yeah.So if you don't earn one like I

(45:43):
have because I have all the maskstwo all I have two legendaries man um,
then you might need to rent onefor a while so you can.
I think it's ten silver or maybefive silver. You can get one for
thirty minutes or an hour and thendo contests and races and stuff, which
is nice because someone like my wifewhen she plays, she doesn't have a
roller beetle. It requires about fivehours of gameplay. I'm guessing I lose

(46:07):
track. I just do it somuch too once you're at that stage to
unlock it. So if you're like, well, I just want to do
the race thing, you can atleast participate in it. And the roller
beetles have been a part of GuildWars since the first Guild Wars won it
was there was actually a roller beetlerace in the first Guild Wars where you
became this like bug thing with theselong antennas and you would turn into a

(46:31):
ball and roll around. And what'swhat's great is when they released that mount
in Guildwor's two, I knew whatthat beatle was, so it was like,
we've seen this thing already. It'sjust now I get to ride on
one instead of becoming this little critter. So they're harketing back to that.
What I was doing some math,and you know, the lunar cycle is

(46:51):
twelve years at right, every twelveyears we repeat the animals. Guild Wars
and Guildwars two have been around forfourteen years, so I didn't realize it,
but we've actually like, yeah,done, it's actually it maybe fifteen
years. I think the first gamecame out in No. Five, but
I don't know if they did alunar festival that year. But there have
actually been as many animals as therehave been festivals in the Guildor's history,

(47:13):
which this is more about Chinese NewYear than it is about and Korea.
A lot of a lot of theAsian cultures use the lunar New Year and
kind of I'll show share those zodiacsigns. So it's a big hit over
there, and it's fun because it'snot an American holiday, although especially on
the West Coast, it's much moreum it's becoming a lot more prevalent,
but it's not a like, it'snot it's not even Saint Patrick's Day.

(47:36):
Maybe it's on par with Saint Patrick'sDay. I feel like a lot of
people eat Chinese food because that's thething you're supposed to do everything, don't
you don't you feel that one lunarlike, oh, we should have Chinese
food. It's a lunar New Year. The kids come home and have done
something to say, oh, it'sChinese New Year, and then that's it.
You're like, cool. Yeah,I don't know if that makes me
a racist. I'm sorry it doesn't. I just think it doesn't make it

(47:57):
makes you something that doesn't celebrate thelunar New Year. That doesn't make you.
I hate it. You see,that might make you racist. Why
there's a difference. You're allowed tohave an opinion, Kevin, Wow,
as long as it's not racist.Well that's unless you want to be racist.
They all work out. So veryexcited for the next chapter of what's
gonna happen? I want to knowwhat have you been playing in in the

(48:20):
world of gaming. I have notplayed a damn thing, really, not
a thing. I almost for mybirthday. Yeah, oh, I'm so
angry for my birthday. Yeah.Happy birthday, bday, thank you.
Um I because I was like,oh, well I'll be able to do
the stuff and then I'll carve outsome time where I could just hang out
and play some games. And itdidn't. I had was at school for
like three hours, coming out witha chocolate sale, and then I had

(48:44):
to work and it was it wasa it was a whole thing. So
your birthday, you didn't get toplay anything nothing. Because I went to
Disneyland that day. That was good. Yeah, it was great for me,
but I should have stayed here.We could have played video that was
way better for that. Yeah,that was when you went with your daughter.
Yeah, it was just it wasdaddy daughter Disneyland. Because that here's
the thing. I was bummed,like in the beginning, and then I

(49:05):
was fine. But because I'm notthe guy who I don't know why,
I'm not the guy who wants todo something necessarily on or maybe there's been
times where I do. Yeah,but had some great your birthday parties.
You get the fire pit one yearand that was good and maybe it's an
age thing or something, but thisyear in particular, like it's not,
I don't it's not about getting oldthat doesn't never bother me. It's just

(49:28):
like, I don't know. Ijust was like, I don't know,
I don't want to do anything.Yeah, I forgot. I wanted to
share with you the video I tookof your thirtieth birthday where you got the
PS three. No, I thinkI got the Xbox. It was one
of the two. No, yougot an Xbox for your thirtieth birthday,
so it had yeah, yes,I think it was. No, I
think it was PS three. Okay, I'll look out the video. Maybe

(49:50):
it was a PS four. Thatdoesn't seem right. That seems like too
long ago there, um, butlittle baby Jacob is there and it's we
all saying happy birthday to you.There's like four of us there, and
then when it's over, he startstrying to sing happy birthday as well,
but it's he's a little two yearold, one year old, and he
just sounds like cooing and noises thata baby makes when we were there.

(50:12):
But when you watch the video,you go, oh no, he's clearly
looking around going are we still?Are we still doing this birthday song?
Think it's amazing? Have I showedit to you before? I don't make
me cry? Oh, but thenI'll definitely post Now. It's funny because
it's hitting me like he's he's growingup. Yeah, yeah, he's like
are you wing down for real?Before we stepped out here he came out,
I was like, oh my gosh, he's it's like huge. You

(50:35):
watch those sitcoms where the like thelittle kid grows up and then he comes
like, hey, mom, doyou have any milk? Like, ah,
who is that? Man? That'sI'm curious to see how much longer
I have for that before. It'slike yeah because in fifth grade, so
very soon. He's a tall guytoo, isn't it. Yeah, he's
gonna be bigger than me. He'salready up to my chin. But anyway,
Yeah, so I haven't really Ihaven't been playing anything. I've been

(50:55):
uh. I've been still working onmy mad and I want to. I've
want to couple of Super Bowls.I want to, but it doesn't look
like it's going to go the wayI wanted to. Because what I want
to do is I wanted to buildup the rams and be like it's amazing.
And I'm playing with Sean mcvagh becausewe have the same birthday and I
think he's brilliant. Uh, andthen I wanted to demand my release and
see if I could get picked upby another team, right, yeah,

(51:16):
after five years, and then tryto rebuild that team just for fun.
But like, I don't know how, it doesn't seem to work the way
it used to. In the olddays, you could get fired and it
maybe get rehired, but this oneit doesn't seem to Uh. I think
you have to if I'm winning thesuper Bowl and I don't get to decide
if I reap my contract, itjust says your contracts been extended another five

(51:38):
years. Just if you win thesuper Bowl, you get it. It
just automatically goes automatically get a contractextension. And if there is an option
as playing as the character, youcould demand your release. Oh okay,
but if you if you don't winthe super Bowl, yea and your five
get fired, is that in?Is that game over? Or I don't

(52:00):
know, because there's one time Ithink I just don't lose super bowls.
No, I don't know, becauseit's a thing where there's there's been times
where I've gotten fire, but thenit's not. It's a weird part of
the game where technically a job hasto come open. Yeah, and so
you I guess you have to recreate. But I couldn't get another job.

(52:20):
It's like, there was nobody.Why are you playing this game? I
because it's fun, And I wasbubbed because we ran out of time.
We got back too late because Iwanted to play the football game that you
have got me a football board game. Yeah. That. The Worshams were
very excited. They were a greatgreat yeah. Yeah. Jacob was like,
when are we playing this? AndI was like, we'll play it
after we dinner, when we gethome. But we happened. Now it's

(52:40):
just sitting there everything up. Ithought I would hope that happened because it
looked It looks pretty fun. Youhave cards for each of the teams that
have special abilities. You move theball back and forth, but then when
you score, you actually do likepaper football and you kick a field goal.
Oh that's funny. I didn't pickup on that because Jacob goes,
oh, it's like paper football,and I don't. No. No,
It's like it's like it's hards justthat part. So like at the end,

(53:01):
you get a little spring loaded kickerthing, pull that back and that's
your that's your bonus point. SoI was like, this is the game.
I've always wanted a board game versionof football, So I wondered if
the downs make any sense or like, how how do you move the ball
down the field? They'll try iton Sunday, we'll take it for spin.
It's like a weird like uh onetwo, three, rock beats paper.

(53:24):
I guess he blitzed me. Iwant the Super Bowl, Yeah,
exactly, but I want to getthe New God of War, which is
not new old due to me.And then i'm I'm I find myself being
very excited for Cyberpunk twenty Yeah,welcome. I like the idea. There
are very strong indications that that releasedate is going to be pushed back.

(53:45):
It's April, and it might.The question will be whether or not it's
a PS five title release at thispoint, like right, because we're going
to see the PS five in Novemberof this year, right around election time.
There'll be a new PlayStation. Sowhat I've wondered if they've been secretly
planning both or will it really justbe an end of life cycle PS four

(54:07):
release. As a father who hadhis kids save up to buy their own
PlayStation, yeah, I did notknow that we were so close? Did
you not know that I had sunch? I'm sorry, I think we talked
about it though I know, butI feel like it feels closer now.
I feel like I have to.I have to. I have to buy
PS five for them. I don'twhy. No, that's not doesn't make

(54:30):
any sense at all. You makethem sell their PS fours and then earn
the money for the death of thedifference. I don't know how how old
is your youngest? He's eight.He has a television and a PlayStation is
ram. Yeah, and doesn't evenhave to share then with anybody else.
And he didn't have a paper route. I'm just saying, yeah, but

(54:50):
he saved up, Like all right, there's something to be said. He
works. It's what's interesting is thatJacob gets working as a concept. Yeah
uh, and and like how itworks to for his financial benefit. But
Jack actually works, if that makessense. Like Jacob's like Jacob will go
to an open house and he understandslike working an open house, right,

(55:12):
Jack is more like I'm gonna gopull weeds because I need some money because
I'm poor, got him? Andthen he goes and does the thing because
he needs to make money. Wellif and then he for him, I
think as young as he is forhim to get some he saved like twenty
bucks here. It's so he savedall that up to get a TV,
all right, And if you thinkhe's got it bad, I would,

(55:35):
I just feel bad. They hadit for a year and I'm like,
well, now, well, thegood news is it's almost entirely um bankable
that the PS five will be backwardscompatible to their PS four games, So
at least that at least that isn'tgoing. The question is whether it's backwards
compatible to PS three or PS twoare all dead? You think there's still
a part of me that's hopeful.I know a guy that works on the

(55:55):
UI of the UH of the Toolfour developers, and I I just I
want to ask, but I don'twant to be that guy, yeah,
because I know he can't tell me. There's like no legal way that he
can even hint at what is possible. Like, Plus I also don't want
to annoy him, But I'm like, is it gonna? I can't understand
you my PS two games in thatthing? Why do you sound like the

(56:21):
rat? And said, I justgo Your baby is so cute. It
was such a cute three year old, three month old baby. If this
were curb your enthusiasm, we'd havesome kind of inner monologue of I'm going
if he wants to ask me,I feel like no one cares about my
baby. We can love my babyand she's not that cure. That is

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some good curb you should write forthat. This has been a fun show.
It has been a fun show.Thank you guys so much for listening
to the funness and the good times. Don't forget. You could go to
bit dot, lee, slash,gamer Land, Discord. You could get
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after the show we go and chatand hang out with the folks there while
I export the episode and post it. You could also go and check out
Kevin's twitch. It is twitch dottv, slash the Kevin Miller. You
can watch this show live. Youwould see me waving at you at this
very moment. Kevin's also doing thewaving waving I did one days where we
can't podcasts. You can watch Kevinplay a game of some kind. That's

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right, Sure, there's I've beendoing Borderlands. I tried to do Outlanders,
but that was really boring to twitch. It's a book. It's a
book. Outlanders is a book.Outer world Worlds is that it's just a
world. It's a it's like readinga book, like there's so much or
it's a game about ready, it'sgorgeous, but it's not fun. It's

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a lot of reading. It's justreading. It's just reading. Uh.
I'll put some links together, butalso suggests like cooper as a fun co
pop because we need to fund callthat pop well, get a bit dot
lee for that. And I thinknext time there's going to be we're gonna
do the gamer Land Awards. It'sa word season. It's about time to
release the words. So I'll havesome links in our discord on where you
can go to vote. All thenominees are in on the discord. So

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I'm gonna put together a Google formand you can cast your ballots for the
gamer Land Awards, and we'll probablydo that the next time. We record
really identify the winners and the losersof twenty twenty twenty nineteen. In twenty
twenty twelve, in twelve, twothousand. Backwards ispatible. It's gonna be
a backwards compatible awards show, Elfof Miller dot Com, and all of

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your PlayStation games still being a partof your life. This is just worship
saying okay bye,