1203 - Gamerland Awards

Kevin and Justin talk about This War of Mine, Gamerland Awards from our Audience, Tales from Tyria, and Fables from Fortnite.

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Episode Transcript

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One day, sir, you knowI don't speak Spanish. Get Jimmy out
of here, I bet NERD.Hello and welcome to the gamer Land podcast.

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That is really hot, and Iapologize to it. It's so hot
everybody who's listening. That was waytoo loud. Still, way too loud.
Stop being loud, justin stop withthe loudness. I'm your host,
Justin Warsham. Oh really, I'mso sorry. That was me. I
turned me up on my knob.I first I thought it. I thought
it was me. We've been hangingout for an hour. If we just

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put these headphones on, we couldhave done this, could have done this
while talking. I'll do that fromnow on. That's that's a good point
anyway. I'm Justin Worsham with meas always, is the one, the
only the the Kevin Miller dot comjump and press the circle button at the
same time. How long? Likeit seems like are we we're in a

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hiatus of Marvel movies? Is itjust it is a deficit? Yeah,
it feels like we're it feels likeit's gonna be a while. Although yeah,
I'm not happy about how excited Iam about the vision? Uh and
wid Yeah, Vision and Wendy theBurger Ladies gonna make it kid. But

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comic book sitcom is it seems likea bridge too far, which makes me
happy. Yeah, I was gonnasay, I think I think it's a
territory that is worth taking. Yeah, right round, worth examining. Sure,
I just want and the Marvel comics. It's not like the comics haven't
done this right, They've been doingthese sort of books forever. So to

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be like, Okay, well let'sput this over here makes a ton of
sense. I just want some partof the meeting to be like, let's
see how far we can push that, Like, let's see if we did
a sitcom with two people that arenot known for being funny at all,
is it supposed to be funny?I thought it was more like outer world,
like this is weird, Like Iunderstood it to be that they said,

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I remember it's some video that Isaw from like D twenty three or
some stuff or a comic con wasthat this is going to be a sitcom
and it's legitimately gonna be funny.And that's what I thought different genres of
sitcoms as they jumped through sort ofI love Lucy Roseanne. And the idea
is that because I don't know.Yeah, I don't know. I don't
know. Does all this air becauseDisney Plus when they were like, come

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Disney Plus, we got Loki.Oh we know one division reality of that,
we got Mandalorian for the first threeyears. We got Mandalorian for like
a minute, and then we're gonnadouble down with Baby Yoda. You're welcome
for that. Hold you over foranother seven years. When was the last
time you had a new fresh BabyYoda adventure? December exactly, So it
does two months? Come on,listen out, listen out entitled sound I'm

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it's been two months since I've gottena Mandalorian. I'm doing that. Let's
let's be honest. He's guy's like, this is a whole show. I'm
just saying that, barely interested inwhat I'm saying. For a network or
for a digital streaming service that waslike, come here, we got fresh
seventy dollars. They have no freshNetflix bucks a month and their library is

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four Huh, guess that's fair.I paid seventy bucks for a year.
Huh, seventy eight bucks you paid? You paid rock bottom prices for Disney
Plus you'll never you'll never pay event. I'm gonna relax. But my point
is that there's no new content onDisney. Plus, there hasn't been anything
for us. There's they're they're throwinga lot of stuff for kids. What
I look at that? And ifyou, if you haven't watched the Jeff
Goldblum shows, really don't like it. He pontificates about ice cream and shoe

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Yeah, how is that a show? I like that a guy can I
like that a guy can feign passionateabout mundane things that that appeals me.
I get a little kick out ofit. Do you really? I do.
I'm not gonna lie. I likewhat people. It's all personality though,
That's what I'm saying, Like it'sjust Jeff goldbla but he likes he
I like it when people are passionateabout just about anything, Like I just

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like watching people being passionate. Uh. And he does have I think,
a gift for being passionate about stuffthat should not matter. So to me,
I'm like, this is interesting.Have you watched all of those episodes?
So not enough to where it's like, oh, I'm thrilled, Like
I can't wait for the next one. I'm more like, I can't wait.
Honestly, it's like that, Ilike the Mandalorian more worried. I'm

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not passionate about anything. He is. He's very he's got he's passionate a
code. He has a code.It is he said, he he's the
entire race of people had to giveup who they were to save this child.
That was that was a bridge toofar for me? Really serious?
Yeah, I was like so wait, so really what pressure was on was
put on this planet that all thosebadass Mandalorians had to strip naked and leave

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without fighting for their lives? Likewhat what? I'm not seeing the way
you can't even get like a dozenguys here? Why why is it that
harsh? And then there's like amountain of helmets and shoulder pads there.
This is the most valuable resourcing youall just left. That was my right.
That was like, I don't Ifeel like you're really pushing the emotional

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envelope because if I was any ofthose Mandalorians, I'd come down and kill
you and that stupid child because youdestroyed my way of life. You think
you could be a Mandalorian like youcould? No, I'm not wired to
be a Mandalorian in any stretch ofthem. Does that appeal to me?
Like the idea? It does alittle bit, even though I'm a guy
who needs to have people around melike a lot, Like I don't.

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I'm id like to be more socialthan antisocial. Yeah, but there's an
idea that it's like, you know, it's just like I'm like, go
this way. I think it wouldget old after three days. Ah.
Yeah, you couldn't be on theroad without being around your wife. I
would be seeing like two hundred tothree hundred people. By God's grace you
found a job in your home town. Because I'm pretty sure you would have

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died. Oh no, I wouldhave had and this there's no joke.
I would have I would have developedsome kind of either severe depression, yes,
or a problem you were all.Either of them would have would have
pushed would have just imploded my entirelife. Yeah, that's why I think
that's probably why the Mandalorian looks soromantic to you, because it it's just

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it's a complete fantasy. Yeah,it's complete fantasy. Speaking of complete fantasy,
multiple things have happened since we've beenable to do show. I love
it. I don't know how thishappened, but I it's honest, like
it wasn't by design, Like Iwas just kind of sitting there. I'm
like, I'm gonna play some gameslike I had some time. Nobody's doing
anything like I got. I gotcaught up on my stuff. You know

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what it is? Your son isdone with LSS. Oh well no,
because I'm still doing it for thefourth graders, which I don't even have
a kid in that class. Butanyway, so I so anyway, I
was, I look and I wasplaying Madden and then I was like,
I want to I want a game. I'm gonna look around. I go,
oh, Kevin always those talks aboutthe free games, which now got
my kids hooked on. They checkand so they can only check once a

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month. They don't put new gamesout, No they do. Yeah.
So I was like, oh,well, what's free? This all the
bioshot games they are, which Iliked, and then I kind of would
lose interest in, but I waslike, it's free. I was with
who you when you beat the firstone? The one I was in the
room with you. I don't rememberwhen the big reveal happened. We can
talk about all right, that's likefifty years old. When the guy's like

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he whatever, the code word isthe trigger word if you would be so
kind or whatever. I can't rememberit all. And there's something that is
like normal gamer stuff like and thenthey learn. You learn in that moment
that you've been conditioned, and thenwhen you hear that, you are compelled
to go do these quests. Ohyes, yeah, I remember. I
was in the room when that.I was like, that's pretty cool.

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But you were like, what,that's funny. I can't wait to relive
that. No film it, soI got that, and then I was
it's so funny. I didn't doso much googling, you guys. I
wish I wish I could have recordedthis. Yeah. I did do so
much googling because we've talked about itmultiple times on the show. And now
I know the name because I googledit. Remember how I kept talking about

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that game with the silhouettes and thewar and you have to kind of try
to survive. Well, it's calledThis War of Mine and it's only available
on the PSN. It's a Steamgame. Yes, yeah, yeah,
but yeah yeah, so you couldget the regular version, but for whatever
reason, the PSN version is calledThe Little Ones, which made me very
nervous because I did not want toplay this game as a child. Yeah,
thankfully, so far I have nothad to play the game as a

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child. I played, and Ithought it was I thought it was fun.
It was very simple, very interestingconcept, like I played it graphic
right, like there's like little stakesand you die. Oh not as far
as I've seen it of a differentgame, I'm not. What I've seen
is that you start off and Idon't I hope it's the same for everyone,
but you start off with your threedudes, like there's some kind of

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like post apocalyptic world, but it'sstill like pretty suburban, Like it's not
like Mad Max type like it's verysuburb It's more like Walking Dead but there's
not zombies. It's and um Soanyway, you start off and one guy
is wounded a little bit, andthey tell you like you knew each other
in high school, but you weren'treally friends. And you find out like

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one guy runs really fast, hewas a former football player. One guy
is a good cook, and theother guy's a master scavenger interest And I
think what makes you a master scavengeris that you have a backpack because nobody
else has a backpacks. That's like, yeah, what are your skills?
If a backpack? Weakness? Strength? Strength, it's a weakness. Those

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both of them are. I haven'tseen the second one. I wanted to
go see it Amazon. Oh isit all right? Yeah? Yeah,
you could go see it in ourin our library. It's available. So
anyway, they took out doctor who, huh, doctor who has always been
free? I have season the notseason twelve, whatever, season ten or
eleven. I just bought it becauseI was trying to get anyway. So,

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um so the guy's backpack and thenyou go at it. So everybody,
you have to start to build yourhouse and to make it better,
and you have to craft your ownweapons. This is the Three Little Pigs.
And here's what's interesting about it isthat you do have to sleep.
But it's different because but here meout because what happens is you play during

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the day and then it just allof a sudden, it's like it's nighttime
and then you have to So nighttimeis when you go scavenge and you say,
okay, so and so is gonnascavenge, and so and so is
gonna scavenge, and so and sois gonna take stay as a guard.
Right, So scavenge boy is alwaysgonna go scavenge. Right, Well,
you'd think unless you're a nube likethis guy, what is wrong with you?

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Well, the first couple of nights, I didn't because I didn't know
who everybody was. Like, I'mjust trying to figure out the game.
And also it's nighttime. Who's gonnascavenge? Like like, oh, I
don't know. It sounds like isthere graphics involved, because right now it
just sounds like organ trail. Itkind of is seed tab it kind of
is, only there's much more likemelancholy dramatic music, and it's it's like,

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oh, everything feels forlorned, likejust and then at one point turns
again into the game. Uh,Mike, your guy starts moving slower,
and it's because he's very sad.Oh, one guy they tell you you
want you like read a dossier onhim. And the guy who likes to
scat. I think it's the eitherthe cook or the scavenger is a smoker.

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And so I was scavenging the firstnight and you come across all these
things. You're like tobacco and paper, like they oh, you could craft
these into cigarettes. I'm like,anybody got time to smoke? Of the
world, man, And then likeyou can have booze. It's like,
oh, it's a it's a wayto have a to distract yourself, you
know. Yeah, And I wasand then they're like reality to books is
fun, and I was like,I gotta get food, man. These

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guys are hungry and I need materials, so I'm getting all mine is the
hierarchy of needs. You started atthe base, which is food, which
that evidently early civilized people were verysad. And I think it's start with
cigarettes. Take away the top ofthe there's a big war and we lose

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all of our walmarts, we aregoing to, dude, very sick.
Could you imagine all of us thatare addicted to looking at our social media
post apocab electic are gonna be like, what am I supposed to do with
my time? Yeah? I can'tkeep looking for crabs. I need to
update my profile. And it wasfunny because I found myself getting frustrated with
the guys that they were sad,because I'm like, this seems such a

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bad life. Sam. You know, you cook a little song, but
you got nothing to do. Allyou have to do is feed yourself and
sleep and stay alive. Like that'spretty much sounds pretty dull. Yeah,
see why they wanted books into it. Sounds like a vacation. I don't
know why. I don't know whybecause it's infinitely worse. The quality of
life is infinitely worse. Line,but as a guy, almost like prison,

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except you have to work for yourfood. At least in prison,
you just sit down and they haveto bring at least three So I figured,
did you cheer them up? Didyou get because that's what happened.
So I was, I was likea quiet and then what I you everything?
This is what I've learned about thenew video game culture, and I
was I was going to ask youabout this is that I feel like this
is new and I know we've talkeda little bit about this up before in
the shows, that this idea thatyou just start a game and by playing

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the game, you're going to learnhow to play the game through trial and
error does not seem like the waythings were when we were young. Absolutely,
yeah, okay, because I waskind of frustrated because there's one key
element to that from when we werekids versus an instruction manual. Exactly,
no instruction there are no there's noteven a box for this game because you
can only get it on the PSN. You can't go buy it at games.
Yeah, and it's not like there'sa screen where you're like to play

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the game. Go to www dothtml dot read this. So what I
first night? I go out andthey said, hey, somebody attacked us
and they took some of our stuff. But we're okay, okay, we
really should have a weapon. Andso I was like, okay, this
really is the three little pigs getso anyway, So then I was like,

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all right. So then I realizedbecause what I was doing was I
was having one guy go out andscavenge, right, and then the other
guy stay. The other guy stayedback and slept so that they would be
awake. So the guy would goget the stuff and then I would have
him sleep during the day, andthen the other guys would build stuff in
the house and everything. So Ithought that was a solid plan. Turns
out not so solid because one guyalso has to stay up and stay guard.

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Sure, Oh, I see,because you were sending two out to
scavenge. I was sending one outto scavenge. One guy was sleeping,
one guy was staying up all night. Then good enough, because sometimes one
guy isn't enough to protect when unlesshe's got a weapon, and then you
give him a knife and then it'senough. But then when he gets in
a knife fight, he still getshurt. Now you got to find a

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way to get this guy bandages,and everywhere you go you need weapons or
lock picks to get into to getmore, like better stuff. I am
stressed outless it is. It's kindof a was entertaining I did. I
enjoyed it. I enjoyed it fora few hours and then towards the end.
The part that I think has hasmade me lose interest is that when
everybody got sad and I was like, how am I gonna fix sadness?

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Like I honestly, that does reallysound like the hierarchy of needs. Yeah,
as those needs are being met,there are new needs that you need
to care for, and there arewomen in this universe yet. Okay,
as far as I'm on the pyramid, there is a guy who comes like
during the day and he's very annoyed. It's very interesting in post apocalyptic world

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sales. Door to door salespeople areirritated at you. They're not in they're
not um disingenuously friendly. They're theexact opposite. They're like, come on,
man, I don't got all time. I'll day for this buy,
but you came to my door byit. Yeah, I got other houses
together. And then they and thenthey have way unreasonable expectations for what you
have on hand to be able toget. Like if I wanted to get

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like a can of beans from them, They're like, whoa, that's pretty
rare. You better show me whatyou got. I'm like, dude,
I've got like four broken two byfour six nails and some shards of class,
Like, what do you want forme? Man? Like that stuff
isn't interest to take the VCR?You know, I don't have it.
So anyway, it was what happened? Why is the world post apocalyptic?

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E? They don't talk about it. They just say this is war.
And then there's like and then soevery night after you come back, it
tells you what happened over the night, Like you go and you scavenge.
That's part of the game. Andthen when you decide to leave the area,
then it goes and then you itshows you coming back to your house,
so you can only exist in yourhouse during the day, and then
you pick a specific location that youcan go scavenge. This really it does
sound like Oregon Trail. I thinkwhat I should have done is maybe had

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two people scavenge at once. AndI'm not realizing that until this conversation,
like especially early on, because youcould tell the game is tiered where it's
like, okay, so now theattacks, like the guys keep saying like,
listen, we really need some weaponsbecause they're gonna come back for more
stuff like and they just keep sayingthat yeah. And then and they have
these little talk bubbles that have like, uh like kind of like sims where

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there's like, oh, my stomachis grumbling. I'm like, yeah,
I know, because you see food, like food, stop eating the glass.
So your question was that you feellike games should be better explaining how
to play them. No, Idon't feel that. I Like, to
me, it was more of likemost things now in this show and in
the gaming world, is that Ithink it's just a sign of my age,
Like I just feel like this isanother example where I'm like, but

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I'm not angry at all, butjust like kind of mildly irritated that I'm
like, you didn't. At nopoint do I even know how to do
this, Like I'm set up tofail from jump And maybe it's because I,
like everybody else that's listening to theshow right now, it's like,
well, dude, you just tryit for a little bit and then when
you figure out how it works,you stop, you restart and do it
again. Counter theory, Okay,I think that there are instruction manuals and

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ways to know about how to knowhow to play the game, and it's
through the social media presence Twitch,your Twitter, Twitter account, press releases
for it, your build interest init before going in. So if you're
in the know, you know I'veheard the designers talk about this game,
you got to do this, this, and this. Yeah, it's the

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spoiler culture that we live in,of trailers giving you the entire movie to
get you excited about it and you'veseen all the great parts already. I
think the games might do that aswell. Not for everybody obviously, but
there's still an assumption that you're goingto download this game because somebody has played
it and told you about it,and they're gonna be like, Oh,

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it's so great. You know youget to send these guys out. I
mean you got to know to taketwo guys out there at the beginning.
Other ways you don't have enough stuff. It's so much fun, you're gonna
try it. And so there's alittle germination. There's enough in your mind
to be like, oh, Iknow I'm supposed to like because of our
conversations, I've always known that Ineeded to send my guy to sleep in

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Red Dead Redemption too. I havenever It's only come to bite me once
because I you complained about it,and I was like, oh, I
just have to I got to managemy life better than just to manages his
cowboys Like he got a lot ofsleep. Don't get me wrong, that
guys left a lot. I wasmore annoyed by the time it took that
I had to go back and finda bed or something or I never slay

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on the floor. He's a cowboy. I know that. Here's you know,
it's funny. This is the otherpart that I think about this thing
is that my observation of this,this war of mind game, is that
this this is all common sense.And that's also part of why I'm irritated.
It's like, oh well, no, dubh, like I should be
able to just figure these problems out. And I think it's part of the

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allure of the game is that nowI'm I'm I'm troubleshooting in a real life
simulator kind of thing, like,yeah, that's the intent, absolutely,
that's so. I think that's partof But but to go back to the
red Dead redemption too, thing isthat I'm such a homebody that I would
ride my horse across a land toget back to my bed. I'm not

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going to set up camp on someblankets somewhere when I could go back to
my bed. This is where Isleep. But they're cowboys, Like listen,
I've never been a cowboy. It'salways so sad when he's sitting there
in his tent and it's just parrain and his horse is over there,
and I'm like, really, thepoor horse, does he really not?
You can't get a tent for thathorse. There's nothing like a blanket.

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The horse is going to run away. You didn't even put him under a
tree, you know what. Iwish This is both between the being very
sad and feeling and then the horsein the Rain and the Cowboy and all
that. I think that you knowhow they have gore settings like you have
a slice from I think we shouldhave a sadness set. You mean,
like how like I just so everybodyknows, I play video games to feel
good and happy. So I don'tneed to feel bad for a digital horse

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sitting in the rain, because Iam a guy who will be like you
like, I'm just like really man, So you trigger a memory of the
never ending story, the original neverending story. Yeah, and do you
remember the Swamp of sadness in thatfilm? That movie? That part of
that movie was like the most umperplexing to me, more more than the

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statues of the angels with the boobs. This movie was iconic, but there
you know, it was a Europeanum tell me more, but the fact
that there was so so if youdidn't watch it, which you probably haven't
if you're younger than thirty five,that there's this magical realm and they have
to cut across the swamp of sadnessand he's got his horse and it's just

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it's just sad there and it forcesyou to think about sad things. And
the more sad it gets, themore swampy, it gets it's harder to
walk, it's harder to walk throughthe swamp. And so if you're sad,
then you start to sink and die, which of course makes you sad
that you're going to die, thusmaking it harder to walk through the swamp.
And that was one of the mosttriggering, terrifying things. And I'm

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realized it's because it's like hopelessness.You just have this. It shouldn't be
called the swamp of sadness. It'sthe swamp of hopelessness. And so as
you said, like a slider ofsadness, I was like, oh,
no, this is a terrible ideato like slide it all the way down
to bottom of the swamp. No, who would do that? No,
the horse is gonna die. Whowould do that? Less, that's what

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you want, some kind of mats. I think there's lots of people that.
Yeah, but that's not you.That's what I'm saying. It gives
you the freedom. Yeah, Andthen so I slide it all the way
over all also and uncame like cartoonlike Roger, I would like to have
some lemonade with you. Oh,we're out of time, Okay, we'll

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take a break, and then we'llI was going to talk about also that
I started playing Fortnite again with mykids. Got here about Fortnite, and
of course tonight is the night ortoday whenever you're listening to this, that
we revealed the winners of the twentynineteen gamer Land. Oh my gosh,
I totally bruining. We should bedoing that the whole time. Let's do
that next, all right, andthen you top about Fournite. Okay,
bye, to lie back to reality, to live to reality, to welcome

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to the twenty twenty twenty nineteen Gamberlandof War. I'm so sorry. I
should have had more of like asymphonic like it's good your host justin warshaw.
Do we not have a host likethe Oscars? Yeah? You just
have to do some jokes now aboutgames and who was in the room.
Okay, hey guys, we gotMario here, you know, because whenever

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he chucks, he goes it's aMario. That's true, that yeah he
does. But as impressions like thatguy in our discords. Also to pay
no attention to the cardboard box.That's just a solid snake over there.

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Metal gear. That's my my referencethere yeah, I know, I'm an
outdated Let's see who else? Whoelse is here? Um? Drown a
blank? Who else is here?You have the third string quarterback from the
Packers who made it. He's representingsports gamers. Nobody knows who his name

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is. Don't be sad, buddy, you look like a horse and red
dead redemption to it. You're fine. He's gonna be fine, guys,
He's gonna be fine. If anybodywho plays franchise mode longer than five years,
he's gonna be the starting quarterback.He's gonna have a great contract.
Now be political, he's gonna betalk about the ethnic diversity of the room.
All I can think about whatever yousay ethnic diversity now is where he

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Travas's brilliant joke about how they wouldn'tdo an immemorium at the Golden Globes because
not enough black people died. It'sall. Anytime somebody says ethnic diversity,
that's exactly what I think. Hegoes not on my watch. I'm gonna
do it. See how next yeargoes. Gosh, that's so funny.
He's great, it's so funny.All right, let's go out of the

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first award. All right. Thetonight's first award at the twenty nineteen gamer
Land Awards is Best Mystery. Ohand now Justin will pontificate about games of
mystery Best Mystery. Here do youwant the ear the nominees first? All
right? The nominees are death Stranding, Standing Stranding. I think it's stranding.

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That's the one with the guy fromNorman Wheelists or something from Walking Dead,
isn't it words ud Us, LittleMisfortunate Fortune. Don't know that one?
Blair Witch, Hypnospace, Outlaw,Dark Pictures, Man of Median,
Resident Evil. Two. Those areyour six nominees. Just as a reminder

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to everyone that the categories and thenominees were all selected and the winners were
all selected by our listeners. Lookat that. So the categories, who
was nominated and who went all fromthe citizens of gamer Land. This is
the best democracy you could ask.I love it. So they had to
pick death stranding. Then that's that'swhere you think it's that? Yeah,

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that's I think that's that's envelope Please, okay, here you have an envelope
signed? Where did I put it? I forgot that we were doing this.
I have over here. I justhave to find I have. That's
that's that's an envelope. I alsobut I have a there was a drum
roll here that I had at onepoint. Let's I'm just gonna cycle through.

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Nope, not it. That's okay, none of these. Yeah,
there you go. That's good.Hello, okay, we really are cycling
through? Its? No? Isit up here? What is starting to

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feel that way? Oh? Whatis happening? That's a record scratch.
I didn't know I had that.There you've got mail for me? Oh,
there you go? All right,and that was the envelope. Yeah,
that's it. The winner is ResidentEvil two. Look at that and

(27:29):
even to hear you say that name. That was the last one. And
now to accept for Resident Evil two. Justin Warsham, Hi, guys,
sank so much. You know alot of people felt like we peaked at
one and how are we going todo a part two? And I just
said we're gonna do it. Andthis one goes out to the beast zombie
dog that jumps through the window.You are my rock, you are my

(27:52):
everything. Thank you. Yeah,clip play play clip play black play too.
And now for the next category.Justin Warshaw, thank you, Hi
guys, Si uh do I havezero listed? I'm sorry? Oh no,
I can do it, sorry,Kevin Miller. Our next category tonight.

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Our next category tonight is Best RPG. The nominees are blood Stained,
Ritual of the Night, Pokemon,Sword and Shield, The Outer Worlds,
Death Stranding, Borderland's Three Del Trounand the winner is Envelope Please the Outer

(28:49):
World accepting the award for Outer Worldsjustin Warshaw. Guys, listen. A
lot of people said that this gamecouldn't be made. They said that nobody
cares about retro themed beautiful worlds andand shrink raise anymore. And I just

(29:11):
want to say to those people,clearly you're wrong. Yeah, I'm sorry.
This is Outer World's first win andfirst dominations disgusting. I don't want
to talk about up. Kevin Miller, Hi, welcome to such an honor

(29:33):
to be here. I am goingto present to you the best remastered title
remastered title. These are titles thatwere previously released and then later remastered.
There there's a delineation here between aremaster titled any remake of a game.
Okay, so a remastered is nota remake. Yes, so this would

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be like Ghostbusters would be an exampleof one of our nominees literally called Ghostbusters
Master. So a remake would beto take an older game and then clean
it up or build new elements toit, or build it from ground zero.
A remastered game is to take agame and then pretty much poured it
over and boost up the polygons.So our nominees are Ghostbusters, the video

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game, Oh that's a good one, Metal Wolf, Chaos XD, the
Witcher three, World of Warcraft Classic, Oh, Medieval, Call of Duty,
Modern Warfare. Did you vote foranything? And the winner is Medieval.

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This is Medieval's first nomination and firstone. I'm not aware of this
game? Are you aware of thisgame? Medieval Classic game? Uh?
It was actually in um the PlayStationAll Stars Battle Royale. He's a little
skeleton guy and he is armor andstuff and he fights ghouls and things.
Anyway, accepting the award for Medievaljustin Warshaw, Thank you guys so much.

(31:15):
Um. You know, we hadto kill a lot of ghouls in
this game, and um, youknow, I'm supposed to stand up here
in front of all you and I'msupposed to say that no guals were harmed
in this game. But I'm notgonna lie. A lot of ghouls gave
their life to make this game,and I think that all of their families
and their children would say that thismakes it worthwhile. Thank you, Thank
you very much. We're very honored. Thank you. Now presenting the Award

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for Best Ongoing MMO, Kevin Miller, Hi, thank you. This is
a very important category, I think, in the life of games because it
says that games are not only somethingthat happens once, but they are ongoing.
Here are the nominees for Best OngoingMMO. I'm really proud of it

(32:04):
that you should be that that wasdelicious. The nominees are the Elder Scrolls
Online, World of Waracraft, GuildWars two, Okay Old Ruinscape, Final
Fantasy fourteen AK Final Fantasy because StarWars Old Republic, and the winner is

(32:35):
Guild Warship. Look at that,that's the one I was gonna say.
If that one doesn't win on thisshow, you know it was. It
was close. They don't announce thatin most award shows, but it was
very close. Guild Wars two wasnot doing well in the initial polls but
eventually came through and one U nowaccepting the award for Guild Wars two Justin
Worsham. Guys, a lot ofpeople feel like I shouldn't be a here

(33:00):
accepting this award because I've never playedthis game. Uh. And here's where
I want to tell you almost gota real spa that you're wrong, not
about me never playing this game,but then I shouldn't be up here because
right now at home watching this,there's a kid who's never played a game

(33:21):
either, And and I want youto know. I want that kid to
know the dreams do come true.You can be up here giving an acceptance
speech for a game that you've neverplayed in the most respectful way possible,
which is what I'm doing. Wealso have to thank our producers. We
have to thank Jerry Jevinshall and DeborahMouse, our agents, the academy,

(33:42):
everybody on my team over at Servicesand we're getting there. They're playing us
all up. Next for Best LicensedGame, Kevin Miller. Oh, I'm
a big fan of his. Hi. Thanks, I like that guy.
The Best License Game is an importantpart of the gaming spectrum because it takes

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a certain type of designer to takea new idea and produce it into a
game. But it takes a specialkind of designer to take some other idea
that's already and turn it into agame. Well, that's hard because they
have to be creative inside a box, that's right, And game developers don't
like boxes. Nope, they liveoutside the button, outside the button.

(34:32):
The nominators for Best License Game areStar Wars, Jedi Fallen Order, Ghostbusters.
The video game could get a sweep, Kingdom Hearts III, Madden NFL
two twenty I, Madden NFL twenty. Oh interesting, that's a license game.

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Yeah, Warhammer Chaos Pain, Warhammerfrom the tabletop game. Yeah,
okay, Harry Potter, Wizards Uniteare only mobile game nominating. Oh have
you played this, Harry Potter?I do? I have it on my
phone. Okay, all right,that's all right, all right. Uh
And the winner is as if youhad to ask, Star Wars Jedi Fallen

(35:21):
that's now accepting the award for BestLicense Game. Justin Warsham. Hey,
guys, A lot of people havesaid that you can't make a Star Wars
game after Force Unleashed, And I'mhere to tell you that you're right,
because Force Unleashed was it a StarWars game? And what we wanted to

(35:45):
do at Jedi Fallen Order is wewanted to make a Star Wars game.
Okay, So I feel like that'swhat we did. I feel like we
achieved that. Um. And Ithink all of that is do most to
uh my two daughters at home,Michaela and Samantha. You guys are supposed

(36:06):
to be in bed, okay,but Daddy's coming home and I'm bringing this
with me, Thank god everybody.And now an mm orientaum of people who
have died this year that are nolonger with us, read to you by
Justin Moreshaw's Um. We've lost alot of people this year. Some of

(36:38):
you may remember Pedestrian three from GrandTheft Auto tragically lost with a motorcycle Cliptomulders
coming out of a fro Yo shopat about some say one hundred two.
I think once you get into threeditches that it really matter. We also

(37:05):
lost this one gets because it hitsa little close to home. Yeah,
this year we lost the PlayStation threeand we had a lot of memories with
it. There's also going to bea lot of QA testers that nobody really

(37:30):
knows who their names are or whatthey do not really care about. I
mean we use that to pad outto fill out the two minutes of the
memorial that we have. But Iwant to end on a positive note because
we're going to move the slider ofemotion down. And you know we haven't
lost, guys. Is our ambitionand our love for gaming. And that

(37:52):
is what's going to keep the memoryof these fantastic people who gave their lives
for something that we enjoy going wrongand and carry it on and turn it
from just a memory into a legacy. Is our love for video gaming and
and and our distaste for Vitamin Dand desire to be a shut in,

(38:14):
because you know, we just wantto We just want to get that platinum
and go out there and get aplatinum for Pedestrian number three. Rought to
you by KFC. The gamer Landtwenty nineteen Awards will continue. A couple
of awards left on the block,Best Game to Damage Your Wallet and Best
Snubs of twenty eighteen and now hereto present the award for Best Games to

(38:38):
Damage your Wallet. And Kevin Miller, Oh, I love that guy.
He's good man. They got alot of really good presenters here. I
can't wait for ll cool Jay tocome out. He died, he presents
it. He was in the memorial. Oh no, really, you've kind
of skipped over that point. Ohmy bad. So our wallets are very
important too. They help us buygames. But there are some games out

(39:00):
there that say, you know whatthe price of the game isn't enough.
We want more of your money.I love this category. That's what best
game to damage your wallet? It'sall about my money. The nominees are
wwe two K two olds that takesyour money apparently? Oh that my sons.

(39:21):
That the Outer Worlds. And it'sat this point that I think some
people misunderstood this category and we're justnominating games that they wish they hadn't purchased.
Oh but Outer Worlds is on hereas well, unless there is a
way to bin Outer world I thoughteverybody loved this game exactly, but it
was nominated. Does it Does ithave in game purchase? I have not
encountered in any game purchase that's interestgoing on Apex Legends, Yeah, same

(39:45):
as Fortnite, but Path of Exile. Don't know that one league. I
hope it doesn't win. How areyou going to accept the SPEEDI League of
Legends? Okay, you know thatgame I do, and the winner of
the as Game to Damage your WalletFortnite. This is Fortnite's first win,

(40:10):
but they have so much money theycould give a crap here to accept the
award for best Game to Damage yourWallet. Justin Worsham, Hi, guys,
I would love to get up hereand do some kind of satirical acceptance
speech of Fortnite, but because ofthe massive amount of wallet crushing they've done,
they're watching us everywhere. So theonly thing I could say is that,

(40:34):
you know, here's all my sweatsout there, cranking nineties and one
by ones, you know, crackingdudes, knocking dudes. You know,
just just go out there and doeverything you can to not be a bot,
you know what I mean? Thankyou, Justin Warsham, onto our
final award of the evening. I'mvery proud of this category that our gamer

(40:57):
land citizens suggested most game or mostaward shows have best in show, right,
like best picture, best game ofthe year, whatever it's going to
be. We flip that upside downthe scripts. Instead of focusing on the
best of this year, we arefocusing on the best snub of twenty eighteen,
the best snow. So this isa game that in twenty nineteen did

(41:20):
not get the love that it deservedfor for existing in twenty eighteen. So
we're exactly, so we're making upfor it. Okay um. In the
Grammys, this happened to Santa Anna. Do you remember that guy? So
he didn't get any Santana Santana.Santa Ana is a place of wind at
the airport. And then he madean album in like two thousand and five

(41:43):
and he got every award because hecame back after twenty years, and they're
like, he's like, he's juststanding up there with piles of Grammys for
like technical, Best Mic Usage,Best Album Cover, and he's like,
make a wish. Yeah, exactly, let's give Santa Anas. So this
is Best Snubs of twenty eighteen.Your nominees are Frost Punk, Spider Man,

(42:07):
Oo, Tetris, Effect, AWay Out, Mega Man eleven O
Sea of Thieves, and the winneris Oh Boy for getting it right the
second time. The award goes toSpider Man. For you. This is

(42:30):
Spider Man's first award because they gotsnubbed the previous year. Here do accept
the award? Justin Warsham. Hey, guys, a lot of people said
that you can't keep making a gameabout a character swinging through the streets of
New York. And the reason whywe made Spider Man is because we felt

(42:52):
like it had been done fifteen timesbefore, and so we're like, guys,
let's just do it again. Andthen Tom in level design was like,
but it's already been done fifteen times, and we were like, shut
up, Tom, because this timewe're gonna have all of the Sinister seven.

(43:14):
Yeah, that's what we're gonna do. Um. And so we did
that, and then they were like, the game is too good. So
we put Tom on designing the MaryJane levels. So that's what he did,
and that was his penance. Hehad to find a way to work
Mary Jane in as a playable character, because you know what you want to

(43:34):
do when you're playing a being withsuperhuman powers, as you want to play
a chick in a ponytail sneaking aroundboxes with a camera and a rock to
throw stuff to distract guys, that'swhat you want to play. By far,
the worst part of that game.Oh my god, it should have
gotten stubbed in twenty eight. Thatprobably is why it probably would have the
best game ever. Yeah, it'slike, congratulations Spider Man, but I

(44:01):
mean thank you. Well, disclosure, I'm like three and a half shots
in right now. We're not goingto go live all of a sudden to
the after party where after party anduh we're going to find out. Now,
that's where you turn it off.That's when you you don't need to
see them getting their names engraved intothe thing. Oh okay, what's your

(44:22):
favorite Award show? You like GoldenGlobes now, I think I do.
I think it's a I like GoldenGlobes. Not. The only thing I've
ever liked about the award shows isthe monologus, Like that's yeah, they're
great. It's it So I wouldgo Oscars, Yeah, I would go,
Um, it's the gold standard GoldenGlobes. I mean, honestly,
as funny as he was, Ifelt like this year was the funniest he's

(44:43):
ever done it. I could gowithout the like trying to make everybody feel
bad for being a celebrity, youknow that the golden like Ricky Gervais does
at the Golden Globes. Like,I don't know why, I just don't.
You don't need to be terrible,but I do, Like again,
like, I totally agree with hispoint about like listen, don't don't talk
about your politics. Just get uphere, thank your God, and move
on, like nobody cares. No, you don't know what it's like to

(45:06):
live or feel life. That's probablythe thrust of this whole point. Oh
my gosh, there are a lotof gaming ones I looked up. I
like the Oscars. I've always enjoyedthe Oscars, and when I moved to
LA, I just heard so manypeople talk about them that I was like,
Oh, this is like, thisis our communities thing. And it's
true in the way that when welived up in the Bay Area, if

(45:27):
I tracked with the Niners and Raidersare doing, I can have conversations with
people in LA. If you trackwhat's happening with the Oscars, you have
miles and miles of conversation to gooff of. That's interesting. That's what
I found that in traffic you hearwhat they're doing in the four oh five,
But no, they're doing it again. Oh we've been recording, right,

(45:50):
we would not do it again.I just read the answers when we
come back. Tales from Tyria andfables from Fortnite. Fables from Fortnite Get
It Ready Here it comes It's dueand Fables from Fortnite. Man. Reverb

(46:45):
is the coolest thing ever. Itjust makes you feel like everything better.
Oh good. I just need reverball the time, great times. In
the world of Tiria, the IceFruit Saga released its second chapter. Is
that what happened after our last episode? I felt like you were like,
I gotta go because I'm gonna godo this. I remember that being what
happened. So they finally released afterX amount of weeks months chapter two.

(47:10):
So we've had an epilog or aprologue rather then episode one episode two,
and so I understand now why theywanted to call this an ice Broot saga.
In the previous years, we've hadseason one, season two, season
three, season four, and thatthis is technically season five, but they've
they've called it the ice Brood Saga, and they kind of say, we're

(47:31):
gonna change some things up again.And I think what the biggest shift so
far is that in previous seasons threeand four, every episode included a brand
new map, its own self containedmap that you would launch into and it
would have its own kind of likerules within it. And its own unique

(47:51):
enemies and its own collection to gooff of, and that was really fun,
sort of like an add on,but just for that one level.
So now in the Ice Broods Aaga, the map is expanding. So in
episode one there was like half amap. Essentially, there was plenty to
do and I never felt like Iwas playing half a map. But now
episode two was dropped for the forthe thing and this in the west half

(48:14):
of the map is there. There'sa new loading point. So when you
see the first part of the map, do you know that there's more coming
or it just looks like a wholething? And yeah, so the map
that what's great about Guild War's iswhen you first, like brand new,
first time you play it, youcan zoom out and you see this gorgeously
painted map that looks like, uh, like a very large brushstrokes like ocean

(48:36):
here, ground here. Then asyou discover areas on the map, they
become much more defined. Uh Sothen you can zoom in and the paint
now is like a hard sketch andmaybe yeah exactly, but it is lots
of detail. So that's a reallyfun part of the game. And what's
been neat since they've started adding expansions. Is there were areas of the map

(48:57):
where there was nothing there originally,so they just sort of painted something to
give a texture, and now they'vehad to look at that paint and be
like, well that we want toput a map here, so it kind
of has to do that. Therewas a swath here, so we know
that there's a thing that goes throughthis map. And sometimes they cheat,
but a lot of times they're prettyaccurate, like, well, we said

(49:19):
that there's like a crest here,even though you know it was done seven
years ago, and they just addone illustrator to it. I was like,
well, we know there's a valleyhere, and then they can get
in and make it really detailed.So what's unique about this is that originally
half of the map was still infog of war heavy painted illustration. And
now if you were to log intoday, you will see both halfs of

(49:43):
the map, so it never willgo back to that stage where half of
the map is locked out from you, and so it was really fun.
As soon as you log in,it's like, oh, story mode happens,
Okay, do the thing. Toget there, you have to break
through this ice wall, so halfof the map was originally separated with a
giant ice cavern, and you doa thing to break through, and now
you're onto the other side of thisridge and that opens up the rest of

(50:07):
the two new half of the samemap. Why this is so great is
because when the maps were being releasedone at a time, they would atrophy.
So if episode one came out,everybody's just all over episode one and
everybody's on this map, and thenepisode two comes out and there are less
people back on episodes one map.By the time you get to episode six,

(50:29):
no one's back on episode one.But if we just keep growing this
map, it keeps all of ourresources, all of the humans on the
same map, playing the same thing. And there are events that happen on
the east side of the map fromthe first part of the episode, and
now events happening on the west sideof the map, So that's actually possible.
If they keep expanding this map,there just always will be something to

(50:51):
do on this one map. It'lljust roll event into a next event and
next event. I don't know ifthey're going to add a south part or
something, or make a new map, but this stage, I'm really enjoying
that part of it just to havethe new map, to have like more
of the map more. Does thatmakes sense, Like, because we're still
what was happening before is once youwere done with a map, you weren't
you had very little reason to goback to it. Now we're just expanding

(51:15):
the map, so the zone isdoubled in size once you leave it.
So that's an important still stuff goingon in the first part of the first
part. So once you in thisMMORPG, like most once you leave a
map, you no longer communicate withpeople on that map. If you're in
the map, you can talk toeverybody. We can all coordinate. Hey,
who's doing well, let's get everybodyin. Let's get more stuff here.

(51:36):
So there might be so if amap is a is the area right,
there would be missions that happen nearthe same part where the missions that
happened in the first episode ye inthat same part of the map. So
because you're still traveling in the samezone, you're going to bump into people.
But are you bumping into people thatare still working on the first episode
some of the details. Yeah,And it kind of all builds on each

(51:57):
other. So there are collections toget and as I'm still working on the
same map, I have like it'sstill accounting for the same thing. I
don't feel like I have to goback to the other map. I'm on
the same map. And then thething that's been really fun is that they've
added these like treasure hunt elements onit. So there have been items all
over the map, for example,a broken torch, like they just have

(52:21):
these torches that are been tilted sittingall over the map, or idols to
the dragon that we're supposed to bedefeating they've just been decor when episode two
came out on the same map,there are now things that I interact with,
So I go around now and destroythose idols. They'd always been there,
but now I can do something withit, and there's like a treasure

(52:42):
hunt from them. I don't knowwhere they are. They could be anywhere,
and it's actually a step in thecampaign. It's just like go and
find them and destroy them. Andunlike normally in these sort of games,
there's a little star like they're herehere, here, here, here,
here here, because because it's atreasure hunt and you can get a bunch
of them, they don't tell you. So it's just like you got to
search everyone, go figure it out. Man, here's yea gonna do it

(53:04):
in the last place you look.And that's so true, so true.
So it's been a lot of fun. Uh, it's been good to get
back into it. The It takesa lot longer to move up in the
ranks. So now the highest masteryis three thirteen. Uh, you start
it if you had maxed out yourmasteries like I did. I walked in

(53:27):
as a three oh three. I'monly now three oh seven. It's why
I have two legendaries. Man,it's true, that's true. So I
got a lot of work to do. Three h nine than three eleven than
three thirteen. We'll see how deepinto it I get by the next time
we record. I think you'll beat three thirteen. I don't know.
It's only work faith in you.Even if you don't, I'll have lots
to talk about. Tell me moreabout fables from four. No, here

(53:54):
here you go. No, No, I can just do this now.
No, it's all differences. Isthat in my segment, I don't do
the intro and rever. I dothe whole segment. This is going to
be awesome, It's going to beepic. Rever makes some things. I
feel like we're in a bathroom.Yeah, that's where we have to do
it, because Fortnite is a toiletof a game that takes your money.

(54:17):
Anyway. Um, I was theI was the drift, the drifts in
the background. It only works withthe reverbon because it sounds like this.
Now it's just not the same.Yeah, that's good. So I've been
having this difficulty, and I knowI tested this a little bit because I
feel like we've talked about it hereon the show where it's like my kids
they like to play Fortnite. They'regetting a little older, like like they're

(54:40):
all I'm not, they're not allup in the mix. Yeah. Right,
So it's like, geez, howdo I connect with these guys that
are down middle age surprisingly six yearsyounger than me. Would you think would
be easier, But it's not becauseI've birthed them. So one of the
e yeas I had was I waslike, you know what, I'll I'll

(55:02):
play Fortnite, Like I'll play Fortnitewith him. So I logged in and
then uh and they said, oh, you're gonna play with us, and
I said yeah sure, So likeokay, and so they start for those
who have forgotten your home as threePlayStations, Yes, three men, three
boys, yeastations the males yea.What is your wife do when you're all

(55:23):
playstationing? She's working, paying forthe electricity, the powers that I think
anyway, so she is usually she'sin the back here or sitting at the
diner. So I was. Iwas playing with them, and it started
with me and Jack, and theygo to like a creative where you can
kind of make your own map andstuff, and then we're playing. And

(55:45):
it was weird because actually what Iwas playing with was Jack, and then
one of my older son's friends whohappened to be at home, so he
joins in, and my son wasat like a rehearsal at the school.
So I'm playing with them and it'sgoing fine, like I'm okay, but
I'm learning a lot. I'm notvery good at it, but it's the
lango. So when I did theacceptance speech, I'm sure a lot of

(56:06):
people who have played Fortnite maybe arefamiliar with a lot of those words,
but I when I was a kid, my dad only had like I would
say, like dude, blah blahblah and he'd be like he would always
do a slow turn to me andgo, I'm not dude, oh wow
dad, Yeah, really he wouldget he would be like knock it off.
Wow, And so I was therewas that age where I was like,

(56:27):
oh, like this is yeah,like it's the rebellious part. And
and then I listened to gangster rapfor a little bit and then it's so
funny to be controversial, not evenI just liked it. And then at
one point this out not to becontroversial. It was it's like one time
we're having dinner and I never askedto do this. I'm like, hey,
can I play my tape? Well? And then my parents were like
what can we play tapeall said there'ssome music and they were like all right,

(56:52):
and it was like, you know, bitch this and like it was
what possessed you. I don't knowasked to play that. I don't know
how old were you. I wasprobably eleven or twelve about Jacob's this is
crazy. And so my dad waslike, this is what you listened to,
Like, oh yeah, he goesturn that crap off and didn't say
crap and uh and and then Ihad this whole lecture of like, he
goes, you can't listen to thisstuff. And it was fascinating because your

(57:15):
dad was pretty hands on about controllingyour He was, no, he was.
He was hands off, hands off. Yeah, yeah, so he
was Eddie he but his thing waslike, go, what like because I
used to listen to Eddie Murphy.Yeah, And I go, I listened
to Eddie Murphy. He cursed allthe time, and I was way younger.
He goes, that's different, andI go, how is it different?
He goes, because it's not thelanguage that I have a problem with,
he said. He goes, it'sthe culture. And I go and

(57:37):
I was like, I thought hewas like being racist for a second,
wait a minute, and he goes, he said, you can't talk about
women in that derogatory faci. Hegoes, it's it's incredibly disrespectful. Yeah,
he said, you can't grow upin this house and think that it's
okay for to celebrate people being thatderogatory towards women. Likes not it's not
okay. And so uh, hetook the tape and and I immediately had

(58:00):
to have a friend make another copy. So I because it was tapes.
Yeah, yeah, but I andI remember listening to it a lot while
I did my paper out, tryingto figure out, like, what's the
problem because a lot of it wassexual and I didn't quite understand it even
at that age, and I waslike, what's so derogatory? I wonder
what blah? And so you didn'thave Google, so you had no way
of knowing what I can just inthe lyrics and they go, oh,

(58:22):
let's figure this out. So anyway, um, the dictionary didn't have it
either. My son's will come outand they were like, oh, I'm
sweating so much, and I'm likesweating, what are you talking about?
And and they talk about cranking ninetiesand one by once and like, oh,
he's being such a bot, andlike, oh, I cracked him.
I cracked him, he knocked him, knocked him. This is like
the stuff that CSI episodes, Sojust youth saying words that mean nothing,

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getting the game and one and uh, and they go dead, can you
crank nineties? And I was likeabsolutely, I crank nineties all day?
And they just think it's hilarious thatI say the lingo that they said,
because they'd dry I done. Mywife I go, I don't know why,
but it drives me nuts to hearthem say these stupid words crank nineties
and one by one, and theyact like it's a cool thing, like,

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let's play a game. Give methe terms, and I'm going to
figure out what they mean. Socrank nineties, so you have to tell
me, and then I have toguess what it means. Oh, okay,
nineties, Okay, use it,use it in a sentence. So,
uh, we were we were goingthrough we uh loot lake, and
then somebody came up on us andI had a crank nineties. I assume

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it's, uh, you have tobuild a wall, a ninety degree wall
to protect yourself. So, andI could be wrong, but cranking nineties
is basically building a flat up Soyou have the flat upright wall, you
have the floor, and then youhave a ramp, and then you have
the roof, which is like alittle diamond shape that pretty much nobody uses.
Um, and so cranking nineties.Yeah. And then the thing that
I learned though after I played thegame a couple of times, is that

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in Fortnite, you hit a buttonto bring up the build option, and
if you hold down the shoot buttonand just turn it'll it'll just keep building
balls. So what you do iswhen you get shot what we would do
whenever we were playing a shooter.You get shot and you immediately try to
look for cover or run right.Yeah yeah here because and I know I

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realized that when I'm playing the game, is that the Fortnite characters don't move
very fast. They're not supposed toit. So because the building is the
is the key to survival, soyou have to crank nineties. That's why
I died the one time I played. Okay, give me another one.
So, um, they go,so let's see I was, I'm doing
some trios and we come into uh, the I don't know all the terms

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of the lands. I'm sorry.So we come into the farm park place
and uh and those guys they werebots, total bots. Uh. I
assume it means that they were easyto kill. They're like fishing a barrel.
Yeah, well, why would thatbe a boss? So because Fortnite
introduced to pad out some of theservers, if you didn't have enough,

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they would drop in AI characters thatwould be you'd like would just do crazy
nonsensical things that made no sell,build ladders to nowhere, like you'd be
running around and they would just belike a ramp built and they'd be like,
oh, bot did that funny?And the people would have videos of
like a bot running and would randomlydo this stuff like it was mimicking a
person. But uh, and what'sthe efficient? Right? So bot means

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you suck, But it's also likeit's nube nube. You call somebody a
bot as an insult. You're guys, you're a bot. You're a bot.
That's interesting. Uh, let's seewhat this is the game that kicks
somebody out for using a cheat andthey put their own botslet so they what's
another one? Or so we killedall those bots? Uh we got we
quickly move on. We're feeling goodand we come up on these three guys

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and they were sweats, man,they were they were crazy sweats. This
is the one I don't know.Uh, they scare you, is my
guest. Yeah, because they're they'reso tough. So when you you asked
somebody like, so are you asweat? Do you sweat? Both Both
of them are actual legit question.Yeah yeah. And one what it basically

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means is that in Fortnite, youget into a build battle where you're building
you're putting up walls and you're alllike, yeah, you're all over each
other and the YouTubers, I guessas my understanding is that's the etymology of
this phrase is that they they youwould play in your hands would start to
sweat because you were playing so hard. Are you would sweat? So they
called it a sweat building, Andthen eventually sweat sweat building shortened down to

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where if you were a sweat,so if you could build really fast and
well, it's you call yourself asweat. So like you get on Fortnite,
they're like, are you a sweat? And you'd say yeah, I'm
all right, or yeah, yeah, I'm a sweat. Yeah, Like
it's see I thought it was likea skin, like a scary skin and
it makes you sweat. Oh no, it means you're good. Like are
you a sweat because you sweat?So yeah, effort? Do you even

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sweat? Bro? Do you evensweat? Bro? Yeah? So,
were we're playing, So I wasin a solos match, so it's just
me. I've got it down tofinal three and uh so then we're in
the final store or circle. It'sit's zeroing in on us and we come
in on this hillside and I startcranking nineties because he's shooting at me,

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and then he just goes boom,one by one, just boom boom on
top of each other. It's planks. It's like planks to protect yourself.
Nope, so sort of actually,yeah, sort of. So a one
by one is you take you cranknineties to make a box and then you
put a ramp in the middle ofit. So what it does is it
builds a wall and four sides andthe ability to climb up and peek just

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over the top of it. Andso there's a way that you can.
PC guys actually have an advantage todo this because they could build a ramp
and they have keystrokes. So onthe on the consoles you have to hit
trigger buttons to change in between thedifferent types of builds you can have,
whereas on the PC you can havelike one, two, three, four
keys and one is the floor,two is a wall or nineties. There's

(01:03:54):
so many more keys. Yeah,and so you could just literally and you
have a sequence that you memorized andyou could customize your commands and so you
can, Yeah, you could dothe one by ones and you could build
like a ramp of one by onesall the way the top. I think
I nailed all the terms that I'veat least learned, so I think I
got about half of those right.This is great. I really feel like
we're doing a service to the youngpeople to listen to the show, to

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give them something to laugh at.These people in their forties try to decipher
their culture, and I'm trying toget to a point where I like the
game. I still like Luck.Yeah, that game is garbage, and
listen, I'm not old. Iplay games all the time. That game
one steal your wallet for a reasonbecause it's just set there to like build

(01:04:36):
skins and be silly and I don'tlisten. We talk about a lot that
I don't want to come on hereand be like a negative nailly, Like
that was probably the meanest thing I'veever said about it, Like yeah,
and I don't, but it doesn't. Here's the thing is that I think
what they have done better than builda good game is they've built a good
culture. Absolutely really people that loveit. Because if you're developing better than

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like, it's beyond a community.Yeah, there is an entire demographic,
Like there is a there is it'snot like I don't I'm sure that there
are people in their thirties to playit and like it, but sure it
is more for like that that youngpreteen kid. And as that preteen kid
goes, they've built a system wherethe game is evolving at a steady enough
pace that it doesn't get stagnant.Right, so right now, siding for

(01:05:24):
them, and it gives them reasoncoming. We basically wipe the map clean,
and they come out with these episodesthat change, so they this is
like call of duty meals meet skilledwarts too. To a certain extent,
absolutely, well, it's what wewere saying before about the oscars or the
language of la for it's their watercooler conversation. What's happening in Fortnite?
For us, it was you knowwhatever Saturday after or Saturday morning cartoon right

(01:05:48):
or or after school. Like Iremember when Mario Brothers came out, and
then Friday there was a link episodeand it was like all anybody talked about
Monday was are the rest of theshow link? What happens now? I
don't understand this is unprecedented. Wasit like, what was it in the
magazine Nintendo Power or something? Wasthat the name of the magazine. Yeah,
so yeah, So I played thegame. I immediately bought the Battle

(01:06:11):
Pass, and to add to thehumor of my stupidity in my old age,
it's about twenty five bucks to getthe battle Pass. So I bought
it because I thought it would beI wanted to I wanted to try to
do the things that they do tosee if I could understand why they think
it's so cool. And so Idid it, and uh, and then
immediately they were talking about how Thursdaythe new Battle Pass comes out. So

(01:06:34):
I spent twenty five dollars for whatis essentially four days and then it's all
useless. I was stupid. Thatwas so stupid that you're like, like,
they just bought it. I feltlike they just bought it. So
I thought, I didn't tell youI got new skins. And there is
a part of where it's like gettinglucks. I don't sweat. It's so

(01:06:58):
funny. So now they wanted todo it. They played a creative mode
where it was us against them,and it's like this blank thing and you
build and so it's like them buildingup and me running around with like just
a box around me. But theycould just shoot right down into my box.
Yeah, and I kill him everyonce in a while. The thing
that's frustrating about Fortnite for me isthat you could build this huge tower,
but if I shoot the platform thatstarted the ground, everything falls down.

(01:07:23):
Oh it does. Yeah, physicsdon't necessarily apply, but that is part
of the physics that whatever starts atthe ground and you have to build.
So you'd have to build structures aroundthat that support it from different angles in
order for it to all not fallapart. But it just takes so much
time, and you have to harvestall of these materials or they call them
mats, that's another term. Soyou can't there's so anyway, My kids

(01:07:44):
were just killing me, and theythought it was so much fun because I
couldn't. I literally couldn't do anything. But then what's great about it is
because they think that that this isthe first game to have a gun where
you have to shoot a target.I guess because I can't fight them in
a battle like right, right,I can't rush them, right, but
if they're out there, they've gota sniper rifle and I could kill them

(01:08:05):
because they're so predictable with their movementjob and in these creative modes, you
have a tag above your name whereyour character, so you I see their
movements and I know human behavior,so I could tell when they're coming.
So when they would start to likecome up, they even try to serpentine
everything, They're just coming at youjob, so they would just kind of
bounce up and then I could timeinto where I would shoot it. And
what's great about Fortnite two is thatit has on the scope, just like

(01:08:28):
a scope on an actual rifle,these like little crosshairs that below the main
crosshair. It's because you could dropshoot somebody, so you can, if
you know you're a certain distance away, you hit them to like the second
line or just best the second linebelow the crosshairs, and the bullet arcs
and lands on them like dropping abomb pass in football. So I would
hit them for with a sniper killthem, and they'd be like what,

(01:08:50):
Like they would be dumbfounded that theirfather could kill and so then they would
their friends would joined and they wouldbe like, you know, you gotta
watch out for my dad. He'sactually pretty good at aiming. Thanks kids,
Yeah, thanks, And see Ithink that's interesting because I was going

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to say compared to like Overwatch,which was clearly Blizzard looking at the world
of video games and going, well, esports is an area that we're we've
kind of developed, let's really leaninto this, let's build this thing.
And it does well, but itdoesn't have the same sort of sincerity and
fervor that Fortnite does. And Ithink that's because Fortnite was reasonably sincere.

(01:09:35):
It was like, we're gonna takethese elements, We're gonna get these elements.
We like this game, we lovethis game, We're gonna put this
game out, and it so happenedto catch fire, whereas, like,
to make this comparison, Overwatch waslike a boardroom of people going what sells
It felt corporate, Yeah, exactly, And it does well and it's a
solid game and all that's very true. So many things about Fortnite, though,

(01:09:55):
were things that had never been donebefore, like I think the cartoon
kind of element of it, andthe shooter, but the building, I
mean the building. The building wasfrom another game. There was some other
yeah, but not to the success, not that the integration that Fortnite has
been able to. And then whatabout the idea of like you just drop
in and you got nothing. Idon't know if anything. I felt like
that had never done. And thenwhat happened is like Call of Duty has

(01:10:16):
what they call a battle royal andthat's what you do now. You just
drop into an area and you gotto go collect your guns, get them
as fast as you can, andthen go after the after guy. So
yeah, so long story short,which too late. But the we're playing,
why are you listening to this podcast? You should never ever ever hear
the sound of my voice because that'sall I know how to do. But

(01:10:38):
they, my sons are they getvery excited. Uh. They asked me
after school like do you want toplay? Like can you play right now?
And I'll be like, oh,I can't play all I could play
a couple of matches real quick,and that's great. But then I found
out that they this is I'll endwith this is that? So they play,
they want to do this create amove, which was no fun.
I said, honestly, I golisten, I'll keep playing because I love

(01:11:00):
you guys. I go, butI just don't see how this is fun
for me. And they're like,well what do you mean. I'm like,
well, like I can't do anythinglike well, you have to build.
I'm like, right, but howdo I even learn to build?
Like you guys are operating at sucha higher level that it's I don't even
know. And they're like, well, you have to practice, and I'm
like, when do I have timeto practice? Like I barely have time
to do this. Like so II go, I like the game.

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When we would play the game,that's fun, like getting it. So
they go, oh, well,we could do trios. So they had
squads, which is four people.You have duos obviously too, and then
you have the solos, and theyadded a game mode of trios so you
can get three people together. Wewent out and did that and I was
like, oh, this is great, and my older son goes, hey,
make dad the party leader. AndI had no idea why. It's

(01:11:41):
because they believe and I don't knowif it's true. The matchmaking is based
on who the party leader is.So just like when we play Destiny and
your friend was like level twenty fourwhen we started, you just come and
just blow everything up, We're justlike, just follow him. I have
a gun too, exactly. Sowhat they do is they they bring me
in because then they in theory,the players aren't as good as they are.

(01:12:03):
They haven't ranked up as much.But the part that makes me laugh
is that I'm running around, right, So they're doing their thing, and
then they go, Dad, Dad, here, here, and then like
build a box to keep me alive, Like I'm baby Yoda, that's amazing.
So they would just stay back here, stay back here so we can
protect you or whatever you're like,and I'll be like, no, no,
I want to. I want toplay the game. I want to.

(01:12:24):
I'm gonna remember I'm pretty good ataiming. So and then they'll be
like talking though, and then andthen everything and I'll be going collecting matts
and it's so funny because they'll justsaid they're going, wait and we're all
on headsets even though we're in thehouse, And did you just hear them
go wait, Dad, what areyou doing? Like, because I'll be
going off someplace where you're supposed togo like kind of a thing. Yeah,

(01:12:45):
And I'll go I said I'm doing. They go, well, you
gotta come back. How can weprotect you. I'm like, who cares
if you protect me? When wetalk about you gonna get killed, I'm
like, yeah, I get killed. We start over again. Like,
what difference does it mean? Youdon't understand this is live whole of the
thing that is more of a parentingpodcast than a video game podcast. But
it fascinates me how many times Idon't know if you've had this with your

(01:13:06):
kids yet, but how many timesI have to explain to my sons that
they should not be this emotionally investedin the game. See, I think
you were going to more talk aboutsort of the swapping of roles, that
that you have been their provider,protector their entire lives, and now in
this digital world, they're kind ofshowing you what their behavior is going to

(01:13:27):
be like when you're an invalid seniorcitizen and they're like it's got too far
off. They're gonna put Dad ina box and feed him, Like,
don't run off, Dad, toned, maybe I could twitch it sometime,
like because I think it would beworth it to watch them like basically get
frustrated with me that I'm running offof myself. That wait, it's there's
one moment where Jack was like,get your mash, Potato's dad. Jack

(01:13:48):
was like, wait, where's Dad? Wait? Why is he over there?
Dad? And I just or I'llbe like like they tell you like,
oh, there's guys over here.I'll be like, oh, they're
shooting over by the factory. AndJake was like, wait what factory?
Where are you? No, No, don't go over there. Over there
that's like a center. That's no, no, come back, Like it's
fine, you're gonna get in there, get kit Like they get all irritated.

(01:14:12):
So I do think you're right,And I do think part of the
enjoyment is they like having something thatthey're better. Yeah. Yeah, but
I just can't like And I don'tknow. Maybe it's because I let them
play too much. I don't knowwhat it is yet. I'm still making
this up as a dad as Igo. But the the I just keep
telling him, like, listen,you get like Jack will get angry and
he'll tell people like guy to screwyou, like to his brother and stuff

(01:14:32):
like because he's shot him or something. And I said, listen, man,
it's a video game. Yeah,you gotta get to a point where
none of this matters, like,because you're playing this to have fun.
It should not be an emotional experienceat this level. I understand wanting to
win. I understand wanting to try, like all of that, except for
when it doesn't work that but that'sa hard skill, and you know,
and that's what we learned. Andwhen you can only learn from doing right,

(01:14:55):
you have to feel it in orderto do it. Sorry, but
I was gonna say, that's whatwe learned when our days in common sports
of the mantra of we want towin, but we don't care if we
lose. Exactly that is, thatis a skill that I think most adults
still have a hard time grab interesting. I think so, Yeah, I
hope that they get it, becauseit it really does it kind of can
it has the effect of ruining theirday sometimes. I just like they're like,
well, it's the same thing withfans of the Knicks. You're the

(01:15:18):
Clippers, you know, I seethe Islanders. I feel too strongly about
anything exactly, yourself up control overthat. Yeah, absolutely all right.
Well, so the other ago Iplay Fortnite, Now that's gonna be my
will be great. Yeah, looktune in next time for fables of Fortnite.
It's gonna be so disappointing if Irun out of time to not even

(01:15:40):
be able to do that. It'shard because now it's what's great about Fortnite
is that it's like having a catchwith my kid, Like, yeah,
that's ties that incentive into it towhere I carve out time that we can
go do that and it meets themwhere they're at. It's great. I
think. So we'll see how itgoes. But that's been our show.
Don't forget to go to bit dotLee slash Gamerland discord. You can find
like minded gamers. Chat with him, find people who maybe you can join

(01:16:02):
a Fortnite squad. That was theother thing I said, I oh,
let's do the Celebration Cup, whichis like a big tournament for a million
dollars. They laughed at me like, JA was like, Dad, you
can't. You can't do that.Why can't I do this? Says right
here, I just push X andI can go to it. They go,
yeah, but you gotta that's likefor a million dollars. I'm like,
great, sounds great, let's gowin a million dollars. It doesn't
want dollars. No, you haveto get like ten kills in ten matches.

(01:16:26):
I said, sounds great, let'sdo it. You can't even get
one kill because you guys keep puttingme in a box. Stop putting baby
in a corner, and let's let'sput daddy in a corner. Yeah,
let's bring out the gimp, butget some stuff done. You could also
watch the show live on Twitch bygoing to twitch dot tv slash the Kevin
Miller. You can also see himtwitch games all the time. Tuesday nights

(01:16:51):
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