1204 - The Truth about Sly 5

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Episode Transcript

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On full first back on Okay,boomer on pretty good. Hello and welcome

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to the Gaberland Podcast. I'm yourhost, Justin Worsham with me as always
is the one the only with twolegendaries. Man ah yeah, the the
Kevin Miller dot com jump and pressthe circle button, Kevin, that's just
In. Oh no, they arenot making sly five. Oh where's oh

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he loved let's there pick it upfrom there there. This day the news
dropped that our friends at san Zaruwere purchased by Facebook. Oh so,
as you remember, they recently releaseda game on the rift which is um
anthing No Ascard Monkey Punches Bikings.It is highly acclaimed, this Ascard game.

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They did a phenomenal job. Andthen today and they there. There
have been rumblings that something was goingto happen. If you follow, if
you talk to any of those orsee any of the articles, there's just
they've been hiring people too. Itwas interesting, like something. I didn't
piece it together until afterwards. They'realways working on something. But today the
news dropped the Facebook bought them,which is awesome for them because now they

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can work solely in VR making credibleVR experiences but anybody that was still holding
their breath that Sly five was somewherein a back room working out a deal
with Sony to be made by sanzaru. It ain't gonna happen, my friends,
what could possibly go rock? That'sjust the entertainment. So uh,

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but somebody else in theory not toreopen this cannibis. That's why I brought
it up. I want to getall the worms on the table. Somebody
else could easily make it, likeSony say you now, ye make it?
That's absolutely they could. So thisis I don't often engage in these
speculations of can we get some dose? Yeah? Can you drink that's a

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high fiber drink? Right? No, I mean I can. We'll talk
about So here's the thing, sendzaru um. More than anybody has wanted
to make a Sly Cooper game,if you, if you would, you
say that the people at sand zerowould want to make a Sly Cooper game
even more than you, and evenmore than the fans would want it.

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Ah, that's hard to prioritize.Probably more than me because they stand to
make a lot more money. Okay, they're going to spend a lot more
time on it. Uh, maybenot more than the most fans, not
all fans. There's certainly people arelike no, I mean, you know,
I've got other games. That's cool. I can you know I play
Fortnite now, justin plays Fortnite.I'll yeah, I'll play with him who

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needs who needs? Like Cooper?I shut up. So I think if
you look at how this is gonethat you have sends Au desperately not desperately,
but has been hungry, vocal aboutwilling to make another game, has
gone to Sony and said we wantto make another game, and Sony has
said no. Right, It's notfrom a willingness from sands Ro, It's

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from Sony saying that doesn't fit withour current suite of products in the trajectory
of our our brand, so no. So then for Sensar to be like,
well, we could say no tothis very profitable future for our company
in the blind hopes that maybe somedaywe can make us like Cooper. Maybe

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the answers no exactly, making itrage so good news for them. They
retain their autonomy as most developers do. They continue to be They're just owned
by Facebook in the same way thatUm, their older brother sucker Punch was
an independent game company that was thenbought by Sony and now makes Sony exclusives.

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That Sansara was making games across manydifferent platforms already, so good for
them. It is good for them. So maybe we can catch up with
Matt we found them on the showbefore, and if h maybe you could
still do U be a some kindof other rodent family animal situation. I'd
be great. I think a lotof rodent uh characters in my repertoire.

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This is this is a rat.This is Kevin Miller as a rat.
Thank you. That as Kevin Milleras a rat. Could give me any
rodent like a rabbit. Oh,this is Kevin Miller as a rabbit.
Rabbit, thank you? Oh thankyou? That as good that one actually
says words, Oh good, yougot any interesting. I wouldn't expect a
rabbit talk. I guess I don'tknow why. Well, the raccoon does,

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so the rat does not. Yeah, this rat, it's just a
n you think, or or yeah, like one of those little area creatures
that kind of goes around in theatmosphere. Yeah that at mo and has
like two hit points and so youjust sneeze nearing it. What about a
guinea pig? Is that a rodent? I can't do that. Oh,
that's outside because of the pit.It takes me a while to get in

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character. I had a bad experienceat a shop about that. I just
can we just move on from theguinea pig? Yeah, I mean we
can. Okay, I'll try it. I can do it. No,
I think we don't want you to. I don't want to take you back
to that. I actually don't.I think guinea pigs are rodents. M
m, I think this is good. I'm pretty sure there are skunks.
Oh cats, cats, Cats aremammals. I'm pretty sure. Yeah,

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But so are rodents. I mean, fee line like they're that's why they're
called pull cats. They're actually they'reactually they're part of the rodentia family.
No, no, they're part ofthe feline family. That was right,
except for the mammal part. Yeah. Actually, I think there are rodents.
You see, cats are rodents.No, skunks are kunks? Skunks
are skunk that I can do skunktoo, now? Or do you are

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you currently work shopping any other speciesof you know, I'm working on staying
in the boutique of rodents. Ithink that's a real good week. I
have an itch. Yeah that's good, but I do do a whale.
Oh really that is spot on,thank you. It sounds really good underwater.
If you've seen Star Trek four,what happens when you do it with

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water in your mouth? It actuallysounds a little something like, oh no,
this is going to ruin our ourwhole show. Oh wow, yeah
you feel it? Oh yeah,And I don't speak whale. What is
the whale saying? Right there?I do rodents? Oh, come together,
it's amazing, it's amazing. Sodo your earlier question. Maybe sure,

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there could be some other developer outthere. Deviously sends our saying there's
there's always anything as possible, it'sextremely, extremely extremely unlikely. Remember remember
all the turboil and heartache about themovie George very acutely and all of it
now for not like yeah nothing,it's a it's a shame that still is

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on somebody's back burner. What doyou think the over under is that?
George Cluney's like, when are wegonna get me? Listen? If George
Clooney wanted it, Carrie could beit's sonic the Hedgehog, damn it.
I could be see that's the differenceif Jim, If if George Clooney knew
that there was a Sly Cooper andhad any interest in making it happen,
it would it would be done,it would happen. But he doesn't.

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So boy, they wanted him,Yeah, they wanted him. Oh blame
him. He's a good name.He works for the genre. Like he
does crime already, it makes sense. I does already. He does They
or the the Oceans, and hedid the Sly Fox animated movie. The
industry is not very creative in thatsense. See here. I think the
problem is that the the um justeruption that the direct to consumer digital marketplace

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has done, that has made Sonypause on a lot of those things like
TV shows, films like but whynot get on it? If Amazon,
Netflix, Hulu? Because that's whybecause there are so many streaming platforms that
the market can only bear so many. And I think someone like Sony that's
like, okay, we're not weweren't already on this, so make a
show and sell it to one ofthose platforms. Then sure they could do

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that. That I mean, thenthat's how most networks for their own original
that richest show is only on PlayStationview. Yeah, then that's the question,
like, why why don't PlayStation playerswatch more? You never watch a
movie or TV show on my PlayStation? Is that your mistake? Oh?
I all you? What do youmean you never watch a play a movie
on your PlayStation? I mean Inever all watch. Oh. The PlayStation

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is the center of our Famili's universe. Everything Disney plus, Netflix, Blue
Rays of Voodoo, and games PlayStation. Yes, everything happens on the PlayStation
program. We still have the PSthree hooked up because we watch stuff on
our PlayStation. It happens. It'sthe it's everything to our world. I

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don't know why own a fire whenthe PlayStation does? Does it already?
I'll tell you because, in myopinion, I don't want to. I
don't want to activate the hardware onmy PlayStation because I wanted to last forever
intrigue. That was a conscious decisionsort of. I think I really could
partner. That's like owning an alarmclock to save your battery on your iPhone.

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No, because where my alarm clockgoes, my phone could be plugged
in. Yeah, but it savesyour battery on your phone. If you
don't use it as an alarm clock. That's that's one of the life hacks
they give you. By a nightby a three dollars digital alarm clock.
We gotta take a break. Igotta go on Amazon by a couple of
alarm clock fires. By the way, I don't know if we mentioned on

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the show, but I have aTesla and today it was the first time
I was out and my phone died. Oh, and so I was like,
that's the key to my car,and so that oh really, and
then thankfully you have a little card. Yeah, I was gonna, don't
you have the card to add tothe level of danger and excitement? That
is really only applicable if you're mein this situation. And no, I'm

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listening. But so on the edge, there was a part. There was
a moment in time where I hadgiven it to a valet and then I
stuck it in my pocket and putit back in my wallet where it lives,
and I know, take cleared outmy pockets and set it on the
dresser. Oh no, and thenI was walking around on it. Oh
that's important. I shouldn't because Iput a business Yeah, yeah, I
go, oh, no, thatshould not that's my car. Yeah,
and so that's how luckily I wasable to get into my car. Otherwise

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I would literally have had to goto a stranger, called my wife and
had her come so I could getinto my car. But that that problem
exists, Like I could do that, you could lock your keys. Thank
you for saying that, because alot of people go, oh, that's
yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn'tput up with that, like, oh,
because your phone is your card whatI was or your phone dice?
That doesn't you lose your keys?Chat? I was gonna say, there's
no difference. It's just that yourphone is likely to die. But honestly,

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when was the last time your phonedied? Was it the first time
in the in probably years? Butthis is the first time having this phone,
the new I have the iPhone elevennow, thank god, and it
unlike my iPhone six. The iPhonesix couldn't go four hours without needing a
charge just for existing breathing air.Yes, it was like I can't do
it, bro, what's up?You got any batteries? But the iPhone

(11:31):
eleven I can run ways on itare six generations after meet Crampa, let
me go, I'm gonna give youto my son so he can watch Big
Hero says, Oh, no,you're gonna have a great time. He
loves angry birds so much poking.You gotta be good, gotta be good.
Um so now, But the iPhoneeleven, it lives forever like you

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can, you can. I never. I only charge like. I think
it got below twenty percent once whenI was using it in Disneyland all day
long. I'm fascinated by the wirelesscharging that I want to get one.
Do you have it? I haveit on my bedside. I just put
group and I put my watch inthere and dune and then now I'm buying
one for the car. That's great. Yeah, I thought about getting one,

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but I realized, like I don'tneed it, like in the world
of things I need. I waslike, oh, you know groceries.
Groceries are important. Yeah, butif you had a charge phone, you
could use it to order groceries.Oh you're so brilliant. We're gonna take
a break and get on Amazon.Brought to you by Amazon. What are
what are you playing right now?Well, the other game that I'm playing

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that happens in IRL is called Cleanthe Fan on my PS four, which
has been as well better now.So it got to the point that was
the sound design. That's the bestpart. Really don't hear it? Oh,

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it's so good and it's in threeD. Ever, when you guys
came over, I think it wasfor the Super Bowl, Yes, yeah,
yeah, so that was part ofthe coming out goes you're your your
place, he's like really loud.Yeah, And it's so funny to me.
What I was hearing is that thiskid has no idea what anything has
ever been like right, existence,that's right, like noise or anything,

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like why would you? It justcomes like, how do you? How
do you do? You remember whenyou were a kid in in the eighties,
eight you could walk into a roomand know if a TV was on
you could hear it. Yeah,that that high pitched like and I remember
walking to a classroom where they hada TV on and all the kids walked
into it. I have a superpowerwhere I know that there's a TV on
and I can hear it in thisroom. Like all the kids said it

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were like, well, I thinkwe can all just hear that it that
it's for the hum of fluorescent lights, Yeah, exactly, And that was
a thing none of the None ofthe kids these days don't have that stuff.
So but that was That was oneof the tipping points was at the
Super Bowl party where we were usingmy PS for in the other room because
I could hear it the whole time. And then I realized I had a
headache. Uh maybe a week orso go and I could not go into

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the house without hearing the constant soundof the PS four. Remember earlier in
the Center Very Universe. We can'tdo anything without the PS four on.
You know what the Amazon Fire doesn'thave. What's that a fan? Uh?
Well, I don't have a PSfour anymore. But let's I'm getting
ahead of myself. No, I'mjust kidding. Do you know where the

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button was? So I I mean, if I play Red Dead, I
was putting headphones in just to enjoybe able, like, not even to
overpower it, just to be ableto hear the room was like being on
a plane. Yes, I couldnot anywhere. No, that's accurate because
the sound was just constant and itwas loud and it was present. So

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even if we were watching a BluRay or Netflix, there's still that same.
At one point, you put anew fan in there. No,
No, I try. I boughtan external fan that's supposed to sit on
the back of it. It blockedthe vents and made it overheat quicker,
so I didn't use that. Iwas no good. I put um a
cooling pad, like a laptop coolingpad underneath it that would kind of were

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like a cold washcloth on its head. I did that, and then it
would just gonna sweat and complain aboutits ears hurting. So that didn't work.
It's always right there, so soI finally decided I'm going to do
it. I bought the twenty dollarsreplacement fan. I watched the video on
YouTube multiple times on how to replacethe fan. You've done this right,

(15:26):
you went through it, and um, I'm I've assembled the computer, but
I'm not very competent, like I'mnervous about using those parts because I'm not
a handyman kind of guy. Iunderstand the process, but I just it's
not my it's not my jam.I'll I'll write a code that explains it,
but I'm not gonna put a screwin a a thing because there's no
undo button. I think that's whatThat's what bothers me. I can't go

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back that it's like it's permanent.You could you could really screw things out
here. Is like that cracks like, oh that's it. There's no go
back, go back now, there'sno go back, go back. So
I watched I'd watched it several times. Then I did it, and I
disassembled the whole thing and now I'msitting there at my kitchen table with all
every piece. It's like having thePlayStation duplicated because each piece is the size

(16:11):
of the PlayStation and they're just allover the place and a pretty much and
I send the kids out of theroom, like Dad, you send at
two o'clock we could belave savyone gotup. So I have like eight bowls
of screws from the eras that Ipulled things apart, and I didn't label
it, which would that'll come laterand then get to the end, and

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I was like great, And Iopened it up to that final layer and
the fan was reasonably clean because i'dactually gotten into part of it before I'm
being able to wipe it down.But there's a vent behind it, a
metal grate, and I'll show youthe picture. I've already put it on
Twitter, and it was seventy percentblocked, just completely blocked an artery.

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Yeah, And I think the onlyportion of it that was exposed was because
that at some angle with the UH, with the the canned air, I
was able to get into it andblow that off. Otherwise the whole thing
should have been completely obstructed. Imean, there's like there's a chunk the
size of your thumb hanging off theside of it of just of just gunk

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dust throughout. He's scrolling, scrolling, keep going. That's another top We're
going to just there to go checkthis out. Click on it, click
on it. That How is that? How is that? It's like the
back of a refrigerator. If you'venever turned your refrigerator around, You're like,
wow, what is all this stuff? That was was my PlayStation?
Thick gray, matted dog hair,skin, cells, those dust mites.

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Now, I don't have an animallike, it's all human. It's all
I said dog air as a joke. There was no there was no dog
hair. It's all five six,seven year old worth of dust. Um.
So but at this point I'm like, well, I'm here, I
might as well replace the fan.And I bought it, and I think,
well, one if this new fandoesn't work. That would really suck.
But I did it. But I'mlike, I'm pretty sure that this

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is the problem. Like that's why, so go and then start to put
it back in, put the newfan in. Then they're like to reassemble,
just do the steps in reverse orwatch this video. Now. I
never watched the reassembly video. Andthe first thing that she says at the
top of the reassembly video is,before you move on, don't forget to
add cooling sink to the back ofthis in order to reassess. We do

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not recommend you do this without addinga heat sink to the back of it.
And I'm like, and I'm goingto fries, so I want to
ask you. You I can alreadytell by the perplexed look above your face.
Did you use heat sink when youreassembled your PlayStation? And it's fine?
Do you even know what a heatsink is? Yeah? I think

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I do it. Let me.I want to look at it because I'm
thinking he's googling heat sink right now. Do uh No, it's um,
it's like sinc like that. Yeah, that's the that's the thing. But
to do it, you use gel, You use an actual putty between the

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heat sink and the processor. Uh, and that's what it's a layer,
It's a thermal layer. So didyou apply any thermal putty when you didn't
remember? So I had a Iknew I had some because of one of
the PC builds, but I couldn'tfind it. So I went back and
I didn't have any remover because thething I had sent my PlayStation within its
first year off to PlayStation Farm tobe fixed. And it looks like they

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got into it because there was thethickest, chalkiest glob of heat putty inside
of it that it took me probablya half hour of slowly drip wipe off,
drip wipey, had a like scrapepart of it off. I'm like,
I don't even know if this isgoing to work or not. But

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I did applied new stuff, gotthe little dollar up in there, and
then the whole time just like Idon't I don't know if this is gonna
work. Plus the video was madeI think because I sent it away.
What they sent back had different componentsin it because there were steps and things
that in the video were not covered, like there were screws, and I'm
like, I can't do that.Wait your picture doesn't even have this screw.

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I have extra braces here, LikeI had to figure all that out.
So when I reassembled it, Ihave three extra screws nailed it.
I have no idea where they go. It's gonna be fine. PlayStation five
comes out in November. That's whatI'm praying for. Ye. So I
put it in. Everything works.I was like, oh, hallelujah,
this is amazing, and then Igo to eject it and it does nothing.

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The eject button didn't work. That'sthe screws. No, it was.
There's something just I had to disassembleand reassembled a top case and it
clicked it back in a yeah,it's a it's just a metal contact because
all it's doing is reading like yourheat from your finger like a touch pad,
and that that moves it over.So now now if you come to
our house, you don't here.I'm not kidding where. I was like,

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oh, yeah, it didn't alwaysmake a noise like I have been
conditioned probably for two years that ithas just always made some terrible sound in
the room because it's not as proit's just a PS four. Now it's
like I feel like I'm on vacation. It's the craziest thing that we had
the PlayStation on during dinner and Ididn't notice. It's a home in the

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world. Now they're dumb. Oh, my wife and I are very excited,
very excited. Well, I'm veryhappy for you, congrats and thank
you. Think was but see,this was an adventure for me. Like
there was turmoil, there was tears, there were fears, there was other
bands for you. It wasn't asscary. You were able to I don't

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remember having all these I don't thinkI changed the fan on my actual PlayStation.
I know I've changed the drive multipletimes that that you can do,
but I think I thought maybe Ichanged a fan in this laptop or something.
Maybe it was that, but Idon't think I did on the play
not on the PlayStation, because changingthe drive on the PlayStation is pretty easy.
It's two screws and a and alid and you can get in and

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change it out to get to thefan. It's the last thing. It
literally, I'm not exaggerating, itis completely in pieces by you get by
the time you get to the fan. So there are all those pictures of
the crazy V shaped uh ps fivedev kids. Yeah, it looks like
a flexibister. I'm like, Iget it now, because that would be
great. I know it's not theprettiest console on the planet, but if
I could hit that with a cannedair and blow that stuff out rather than

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having to disassemble it, yes,please, no disassemble? Oh yes,
alive too soon. All right,we'll take a break and come back and
we'll be talking more. That's umor humming? Oh m. Stay tuned
to find out ms dobi du upthe name of their band? Evidently,

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is M the letter the letter EM, like antim the letter M. This
is letter M? Huh performing popmusic? I'm sorry again? Is it
the letter M the letter M?Like that's the full name or just half
of an M and M? Thankyou? There you go? Thank you.
You did a show where that wasone of the titular songs I did.

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Yeah at at the time paramounts GreatAmerica? Oh really yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah when you were weren't youin the show with the history of
I was never retroact? Oh youwere never retroactive Boston Cyberspace and then movie
Magic. Why do I associate youwith it? Because it was it was
at the year half retro I thinkwas the show right after that, Uh,

(24:07):
they had it. I don't eventhink I was an understanding. So
in nineteen ninety seven, justin Worshamwas what was your character's names? New
Talk? No No, No,the Danny Danny, just Danny and Danny,
if I recall, had this sweetlooking game that had sixteen bits worth
graphics maybe and it was about deliveringpizzas to UFOs or something maybe I don't

(24:33):
remember that, and you're playing itin your in your basement, your sweet
base basement room on this girl fromcyberspace, and then the walls opened up
and she was on the video wall. Yeah. And then so the TV
split and there were more TVs,so it was like all these TVs.
Yeah, and then there were threethree and a red one, a blue

(24:56):
one, and all one. Yeah, little Sexy Power Rangers. It was
just three, which in hindsight isstrange, but they what was great is
that it was just three. Butthere were five total dancers, but only
three would be in the show,and they all had a different color.
One was purple, one was yellow. The primary ones were red yellow and

(25:18):
or no red blue and green,and then then they had orange, yellow
and purple dancers. Why that's somesort of strange Yeah, because the girls
would interactional thing. They would girlswould interchange, but each of them were
assigned to color, but they eachhad two costumes. I assumed, right,
it didn't make sense. It doesn'tmake that's a weird operation. I

(25:41):
think that they were trying to thinkof, like, well, if two
girls call in sick, Yeah,if you don't have a costume, I
get it. That fits him.I suppose it's a way of cutting corners.
But what was the point of theshow, because again, even lost
in cyberspace, it was nineteen ninetyseven, it was it was even pre
matrix, right, like all ofthis stuff wouldn't we didn't even know what
cyberspace was. Was it pre matrix? I think was a matrix matrix?

(26:04):
Yeah, ninety nine because last yearfor Jacob's birthday, they were celebrating like
the twentieth era, right, right, So, and then we did an
even Overlord come through the video game. Yet there were no online games,
That's what I'm saying. There wereno It wasn't like the show was lost
in cyberspace, right, So whatwas that just meant? Was that a
metaphor we used for video game space, I think so. To be fair,

(26:26):
though, the eighties loved the digitalspace like you'd go through telephone wires
somehow magically. There wasn't a lotof through line to it, if I
remember, really, yeah, itdidn't. It did. It's just a
lot of disjointed. It was like, you know, what we should have
is a dance show with a videowall. Okay, hold on, let
me take some notes Dane show videowall and go make that happen. Okay,
how many colored costume? Shit?Every color of the rainbow? Okay?

(26:49):
Six? Should we should have stara girl? No? Just kidding.
It's nineteen ninety seven when I wasworking in radio. If I told
you this is no, I don'tknow. When I was working in radio.
They wanted to put together this likea pitch for a millennial targeted news
show is what they wanted, andso they had tasked the Los Angeles iHeart

(27:14):
Branch with doing this, and Iwas supposed to help like produce it from
an audio standpoint, I like dothe production for it. And they wanted
a voice to do an intro,and they hired somebody and it was very
bland. I was like, you'rewelcome to something shock wavers or whatever it
was. And so millennials love that. Yeah, which again millennials are like
thirty five forty years old. Butlet's move on. So the producer who

(27:36):
was kind of overseeing, she's like, I don't I don't like that.
Uh intro doesn't seem to have anyenergy, and she goes, can you
just redo it? I said,yeah, sure, and so see you
did you know Australian. The bosscame by and said, yeah, I
go, hey, I want tosee what you think the intro. It
sounds, you know, pretty bad, and so um I was just gonna

(27:57):
redo it with my voice, andshe goes, you know what if we
got a woman, and I went, good one roping, that's funny,
that's good. You did that samejoke. But in a professional setting.

(28:18):
I was like, damn, Inot abused. I would imagine shatly after
that, I did not work there. Interesting yeah, interesting, interesting,
nothing. You should just do podcastswhere you can say and do anything you
want and there is less money.I found interesting. Freedom. Security,
These things are always in exactly arewhich one which one could do whatever you

(28:44):
want, but you can't, yeah, except eat or live in a home.
I choose to die of starvation.Well, you're gonna be really happy.
Yeah, your job. I smacktwo sticks together and call it coke.
That's because it's free. I'm free. Are you pulling in more music

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to play in this and pulling upDiscord? Oh? What are we doing
with Discord? I don't know.That's what my role is in the second
segment, I get ready with discThat's true, I have nothing to do
with Discord. I want to askyou what you're playing these days? I
am not but Fortnite? Yeah,and my new favorite thing, wait,
you have to do it? Whatfables from Fortnite? Fables from for Um.

(29:38):
So anyway, the I played,and my kids were playing with their
friends, and then I jumped inand I was playing, and I just
decided to play by myself and sweeters, well, I figured like I didn't
want to interrupt them. So andI know that I have a lot to
learn because they love to make funof me of how bad I am,
especially if they have friends over.I'm sure, I well, the friends,

(30:00):
this is the thing you don't reallyhave. I mean, my younger
son has a plate ate tomorrow,but you don't have friends over. You
interact with your friends with a headsetnow, and I really hope there are
less scars, Yes exactly. Ireally hope that this is the norm,
and it's not like I'm like,this must be the whole things We're done
now and then my I'm locking mykid up and he's never gonna understand social

(30:22):
skills or how trees work. Fiveyears dark Arborist. So anyway, I
played, and I got a victoryroyal. Yeah, and on a solos
match, which I was very impressedwith myself and I let everyone know it,
and my kids were very annoyed.That's cool, Like I was like,
look at this, How luckier areyou that your dad is so good

(30:45):
at Fortnite? And what do youget it? Is there a trophy associated
with this? No? Well,so here's the thing. There is a
glider in the new Battle Paths thatyou get once you get a victory royal.
Jacob wanted to get this glider,so he played a duo's match where
he played with two people, andhe made me the party leader because that
dictates the matchmaking, so he feelslike he's better than all the other players.

(31:07):
I have a very sneaking suspicion thatit averages your party out a little
bit. Yeah, and that it'slike a placebo effect. It's like Days
of Thunder was like, those arenew special tires. You're fine, you
could take that, right, Yeah, I mean like it's that He's like,
oh my god, I'm owning theseI'm owning these news. There was

(31:30):
one I forgot to tell you aboutthat that we said the other night at
dinner. But anyway, so Iwin, and he was so he how
many? How many people? Thisis a fifty person battle people the full
Battle Royal, Full Battle Royale,hundred people Now in everybody else's defense,
I only killed three people the entiretime. That's all. Those are the

(31:51):
only one. The last one isthe one that matters, that's right.
And I snuck up on the last. That's a good bumper sticker. If
they still did bumper stickers, that'sa good bumper sticker. Battle Royal.
It's the last kill the k man. Yeah, that's good. So anyway,
oh that was another one he saidwhere Jacob had me hide in a
bush when we're doing this duo's battlebecause he's trying to let everybody kill him
and Jil you only have to killa couple to win, and so I

(32:13):
use that a little bit, andhe said, he goes, look at
that, he stealing my strat uhstrategy. Yeah. Yeah. I was
like, Oh, you're annoying,is it? Is it really hard to
finish that word? Yeah? Right, like which it's so weird because it
makes me feel old at the sametime, because you know, some of
that maybe from like holdovers from thetyping culture of mmrpgs. Because you said

(32:35):
mats earlier. They talk, theysay AFK, they say afk out loud.
That doesn't make these is your dadAFK That actually takes that's harder to
say than away from keyboard. You'reright, my lazy Californian mouth likes away
from keyboard. I don't like AFK. That's hard to say. Yeah,
I've heard I could say AFK.I don't mind that, my lazy Californian
mouth likes FF. Or how aboutis he not here because we're all talking

(32:55):
and nobody's on a keyboard F Okay, you're right, you're right, there
are no keybirds on the PS four. Yeah. But now in theory there
because Fortnite is cross platform, likeyou could be playing somebody who's on a
PC even though you're on a PlayStation. But anyway, still, so there's
a lot of this going on atdinner where I'm like, I go,

(33:15):
man, you guys are something.What does your wife do in these moments?
Does she play Fortnite? Does sherolls her eyes a lot? Okay
and shakes her head? Oh?Must I liked it? Oh yeah,
because I like to say, Iwas starting with the boys and they were
getting annoyed. Yea, I loveAnd then I started going and go and
you you're so lucky. I meanyou're married to Yeah, basically an amazing

(33:36):
Fortnite right, it was like,you're not amazing. Oh one game?
One game, I said, Butone game. It's not about the game
that I won, It's about howlong it took me to get there.
Yeah. I've played five games,and of those five games, I got
one. Yeah I didn't, didn't. Your son, your youngest keep bragging
that he got second place, ayounger one, but for for years year?

(34:00):
Right, has I have either ofthese boys that play Fortnite as often
as they look at their own stool? Right? One a battle they've won
battle. I don't know if they'vedone a solos. There was another time
where Jacob got a solo victory Royaleand it was a big deal. He
didn't keep bringing it up like Jack, but he was like, I won,
God, oh my gosh. Ohsure she was all excited, right,

(34:22):
and but it's just funny to methat I was like, why can't
I be excited? He said,But he goes, Dad, when I
won, I didn't have skill basedmatchmaking. And I said, what does
that mean? He said, whenI was your age, Yes, we
didn't have skill based matchmaker. Yes, amazing Fortnite. Really, honestly,
Fortnite has improved my quality of life. And I'm not joking. It is

(34:45):
in all seriousness, in all seriousIf if they're I very much doubt it.
But if there is somebody who islistening to this that is closer to
our age and has children, Ihighly encourage you to just play the game
with them because it is is itenjoyable once you get into it and play
a couple of matches, But moreenjoyable than anything is the camaraderie. Yeah

(35:06):
I still, because it's their language. Yeah, yeah, you're getting it.
And that's that's I think I broughtup last time, is that I
realized I was sitting there thinking like, what should I do because I feel
like it's not the same connection thatI once have with my kids. And
I'd realized my dad when I wantedto play football, he got on the
board of directors for the Pop Warnerfoam even though he had no interested sports
whatsoever. And he told me lateron when I got older, I said,

(35:30):
why did you do that? Andhe said, he goes, well,
I couldn't coach. I didn't knowanything about the game, so I
had to find you were interested init. I wanted to learn about it,
So I had to find what canI do to get around the place.
Like, No, I'm not gonnabe the water boy. No.
But then he eventually like rose upto be like the one of the like
the president of that Pop Warner team, and so he helped out a lot
with the concessions and he did allthat stuff. And it was really because

(35:52):
you think the guy who was theexecutive director that his kid would start.
But no, no, that evidentlyin sports that is not that is not
a concern. We should write someletters, right So so, yeah,
so I want a victory Royal andI do. I'm flabbergasted. I do
enjoy the game. Here's why Ilike it. It's bite sized. Sure,

(36:13):
everything is bite sized. It's nota long commitment. It's not like
I have to settle in. That'swhy I enjoy Overwatch for that same reason.
Like or even Battlefront you can playa game within six, eight,
ten minutes and then be done andor do a bunch like I got to
enjoy a lot of them. Soa loss goes away quickly. A win
you're like, I gotta play again. So no matter what, you always

(36:35):
seem to want to play again.Yes, you lose, you're like,
I got to do another one.If you win, you're like, well
I felt good, Let's do moreof that. And Fortnite has this awesome
thing where you could go back andreplay any match you've ever done. Ever
ever as far as I could tell, like you go to your clue,
you've only been playing for a littlewhile. Yeah that's true, or at
least the last five. So itwas so funny because I made everybody watch

(36:57):
my victory royale and you could speedit up, and they were, they
were, and they were The kidslove it because they were making fun of
every move I made. Then Jacobloves to go, oh okay, yeah,
so you swapped for your tech.Okay, that's good. Good.
One could tell when I do agood thing, because they reluctantly compliments I
do something stupid. They just giggleout loud. Is it when you do

(37:19):
it? Is it just from yourpoint of view? Or do you?
Does it record everything? It recordseverything so you can actually watch all the
other players. Where is it storingthis day? No? No, it's
fascinating. I mean they have toown half of the Southern Heavin, it's
still a lot. I mean fivefive back I would buy, like if
you've literally played five I imagine anything. You can choose to store it and
you'll keep it on your hard drive, but forever, like every match you've

(37:42):
ever done. I don't know,like it it goes your career. It
goes back and it tells you whatyou did, like when you would like
an achievement or something, and thenyou could hit a replay that's amazing that
day, and you just pick whichmatch you play. Well, I know
the game is playable on a mobiledevice, so maybe there is some sort
of like fression that super low techthat it's like I I it's just quadrants
and vectors and then and then thegraphics engine makes it look pretty. But

(38:05):
we're just remembering. We're just rememberingones and zeros essentially, And I I
that I don't know, I don'tknow, but but yeah, so that's
that's what I that's what I donow. Last night before after everybody,
while Natalie was taking a shower,I was like, are you going to
take a shower? It was prettyfunny. I never thought this would be
my myself. She goes, shegoes, you're gonna take a shower,
and she goes, yeah, you. She goes, I was going to

(38:27):
wash my face, but I'll takea shower so you could play Fortnite,
which is very weird to hear yourwife's forty year old man when your kid
has Fortnite T shirt right right right? But I did. I went on.
I played a match of Fortnite,and she knew, and she knew,
and she got out. She pouredherself a glass of wine and watched
me. I got third place,well done. I made it all the
way to the top three, andthen got sniped in the head because I
was standing. Does she know yetthat it's pretend? Here's here's how little

(38:52):
she knows and cares? Is thatI because there was only two guys left.
I wanted to see the strategies ofthe guy, so I kept watching
and when that guy got killed,she goes, oh, you got killed.
Yeah. I was like, no, no, I notice the controller
rover. Yeah, I get killedthe previous person. I'm the other guy.
She's like, well, whatever drawingby is that a thing that's funny.

(39:15):
It's a thing from a mom podcastthey called It's called Why Mommy Drinks
and their DJ airhorn as they say, white, that's very funny. So
newsdrop this week speaking of life andI r L and this will align with
what you've been sharing about Fortnite,is that the it is believed that the
PS five controller will record biometric data, so while you're holding the controller,

(39:39):
it will monitor your heart rate andyour sweat level, so bewts, if
you're a sweat, it'll know whetheror not you're a legit sweat. So
it'll actually maybe they can tie thatin to where if you're played, it'll
say she's been you're a sweat.But I think to do that you would
have to design it so that youyou not only build a lot of stuff

(40:01):
and also sweat, because if you'rejust nervous, you could accidentally get the
sweat. I feel like the achievementshould be irl sweat. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, the other one should beFortnite Sweat, Digital sweat. Oh
that's good. So they they postulatethat this will create all sorts of interesting
interactions with a game. So ifyou're playing like a horror game and your
heart rate isn't high enough, theyramp up the scares. Oh geez,

(40:23):
so like we're not getting you thatis frightening. We'll get you more.
And then the other way. Imaginehere's the thing. Imagine like remember how
they would say, oh, it'sopen sandbox. Yeah, it kind of
wasn't right. Yeah. All theyhave to do is say that, right,
right. All they have to dois say the more afraid you are,
the bigger the scares are gonna be. And instantly, now you're afraid

(40:44):
of being afraid, which is afeedback. It's gonna So the other one
is they noticed they were like,well, if you're getting stuck at a
point and you start to get frustrated, like your pulse races, They're like,
okay, we'll make it easier foryou. We'll bring it down a
level. So so the game islike adapting to what you do. So
I'm so close to ready player one. I think we're already there and we
don't know it. Have you seenthe matrix? It's like twenty years old.

(41:07):
Those machines are those shrimps are gonnacome through the walls? Listen.
I enjoy hanging out with you alot. But if this is a video
game, this is the worst videogame in the world. Oh, I
like my grappling gun. Wait whatit's a good sounds that's pretty good.
Yeah, that's pretty good, thankyou? Pretty good, pretty good,
pretty good, pretty good, prettygood, pretty good, pretty good,

(41:28):
pretty good good, pretty good,pretty good, pretty good, bretty good.
It's stupid how easily you need tonow make that a drop? And
then I'll just talk over that andwe just go on. All right,
let's take a break. Oh tails, Certeria, can't wait. It's going

(42:29):
for the records. I really thinkit does. That's good. I was
like everything it's happening, bad manonly was the real intro to Guild Wars
too. Maybe that's just a songthat you chose from the sound. It
really is, but there's no onesaying that when you load it up.
Oh, but that is the whenyou start to play. This is the
song. It was in the secondexpansion, part of Thorns, but I

(42:51):
like it. It has the mostlike drama to it. The current expansion
is called the Iceberg Saga, soit's very like demon so murder coming.
Things are bad and you don't knowit's it's it's shining. It's the shining
like the first it's first five sixof the Shining speaking. That is the

(43:19):
funniest thing with the word murder init's it's uh, the tick said murder
salad ah. That's it's good tobe nominated. It's nice to be nominated.
It's time for murder. So theythat, well, that's a good
thing to talk about. Is theexperience with the Icebrood Saga. Is this

(43:43):
like very muted experience because it's allthis like frost wasteland. Everywhere you go
there's just everything's just gray and partsparts are blue and uh and in their
dead trees and their array, thenit's just it's the point is there's not

(44:06):
a lot of color in fact um, it's the one map like there's even
a filter on it to make everythinglook like it's in shadow. There's not
much light and the game has somereally great occlusion effects where that you can
get the reflections and the shadows andthings like it give me a gorgeous game
and to the point where I haveto change my armor color because it doesn't

(44:29):
look the way it should look onthe screen. Everything is in this kind
of like behind this charcoal wall.The music is and a lot of not
music like usually I keep. Alot of people don't play with the end
game music, and maybe that's whythey dial the back, but I always
play within game music happening at thesame time. Um, i've lost you.

(44:52):
I want to make a note becauseI want to grab the burger coming
team and you can look forward tothat being a drop. The other thing
that's super creepy, and I don'tknow if I mentioned this, but that
random points when you're on the map, a whispery voice just comes up and
says things like you should give up, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, it's easier with me,or stuff like they don't like you,

(45:15):
stuff like that like that. Noneof those are direct, no, but
I shouldn't. And it's this voicethat's in your head. It's actually the
dragon. The first time that happens, yeah, like is it? It's
in the context of the story.You're doing something and suddenly like is there
So there is no setup, likeyou're just sitting there, wait what you're
playing? It was the first timeit happens is in the story mode before

(45:37):
you get onto the map, soyou're actually playing, and the first time
there's actually a voice, and andthere's a I had a pause of like,
okay that I knew it came fromthe game. I didn't know what
it was. And the characters don'teven react to it. And after like
the third time one of them sayssomething, your character says something, and
then the other character in the roomgoes, oh, you can hear it
too, good, Like, oh, so it's it's a ghost story.

(46:00):
I guess it's probably the quickest wayto say all this. And and so
it's fun February. It's well,it started earlier. It started. It
started in October November, and it'sbeen you know, drawing out, and
so I feel like murder coming.I think they're building towards something like taking
their time, letting this be veryslow. Yeah, because the last season

(46:23):
was much more bombastic, and thein the campaign, these big, vibrant
desert worlds with all these ornate castlesand sand dunes and things, and this
is like there's a spooky forest.You're going to spend a lot of time
in the spooky forest. That thatvoice thing would really I think I would
like it, but it would freakbe out and you don't know. That's

(46:45):
the other part. It's just random. There's no trigger for it. It's
just at certain points, and thatit always happens. You're not you're not
in the middle of battle, you'relike moving between something or if you've you've
finished doing something, then that's sogood. I almost wish the characters didn't
say something, Oh the part ofthe story people like what the game is

(47:07):
talking to me like I'm out,but you you know what it And so
then now the point of it isthat there's voices, so you like,
whose voice are you? Whose voiceare you listening to? So that's kind
of like you meet someone, youmake sure are you being possessed right now?
Or are you part of the darkside. But sometimes it's like in
the beginning, the first time you'rethey're saying things that you're like, oh,
this sounds like encouragement. I meanyou realize, oh no, you're

(47:29):
asking me to kill myself. Like, you're god, it's like this would
be easier with me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
yeah, you should just give up. Oh my god, stop, now
this would be so you know,you want to lay down and it's like
freezing. It's blizzards, so they'relike just rest. Stuff like that would
happen if you just rest. Likenothing in the game because of the game

(47:52):
isn't designed for that. It's justmeant there. Like Spook. The other
thing that was fun today they announceda new skin uh for the war Claw,
which is only good for PvP.It's a mount that looks like a
giant cat or now you can makeit look like oh wolf. Yes,
so, which brings me to mynext Fables of Fortnite question for you,

(48:16):
Will you be buying any skins?No? Thank you, goodnight? You
want to buy skins? Oh mygosh, I do No. I know.
Here's the thing I did. Idid go into this going I'm not
gonna buy the battle pass, I'mnot gonna buy anything. I'm just gonna
do my thing, and then Igo, well, no, I want
to figure out maybe that's part ofthe appeal. Now I have chosen to

(48:39):
join Fortnite, and I believe avery interesting moment because they have added things
that would appeal to me that we'renever there before. Sure, they're expanding
their market. So the theme nowis UH spies. Like there's this there's
this like a team of spies thatare the assembling and they go on these

(49:00):
missions. So you have the agencyand it's like there are vaults and there's
fun elements where if you go there, there's like a British style phone booth
and you jump in it and youcome out and you're wearing the skin of
the henem. And there's there's NPCsthat are henchmen that are there that when
they see you, they go andthey have it's fine and cute. They

(49:20):
like that's how they talk and youshoot them and when you knock them down,
and so as you do anytime anybodytalks to you, you shoot them.
And then when they call it gettingknocked right, So you knocked down
and you're slowly crawling on all fours. You could pick them up and shake
do it says shake them down,and you go through their pockets and you
pull out a map and it'll showyou where all the chests are in that
little spot. And this is allwhile you're fighting other PvP players fast and

(49:45):
then there's or you get a keycard. If you get the lead henchman,
you get a key card and that'show you unlock the vault. But
there are these laser like turrets,so you have to beat You have to
look like a henchman to walk upand do it. And then recently I
found out there's cases that you haveto be it looked like a henchman to
scan and open. You could carrya henchman and hold him up and unlocks.

(50:07):
So it's good. So it suitedthe game. That was fun PvP
stuff and they made a game aroundit because I assume when you open these
crates it's better weapons. It's betterweapon. Yeah, So it's still part
of the original time to like mostof them are in very inconvenient locations outskirts
of the map, and then theagency is in the center of them,
right and the thing you can becamping or protecting those locations because you know
their high priority and go from theagency right now is a hot zone like

(50:30):
a lot of players like to goto the agency. M I've been trying
to figure out the yacht because it'ssmall, yeah, and so I figure
I have a better chance of gettingthrough everything in there, and not a
lot of people go there. Andthen there's also a shark, which is
fun like it's a it's a rockthat looks like a shark. And the
first time I tried to land therewas the first time that I was number
one hundred. I was the firstone voted off the island. I spoke

(50:52):
and it was great because I wentup. I go, oh, there's
a chest, and I'm like glidinginto the chest and then somebody comes out
of my peripheral like right, I'mlike, oh no, and so they
open the chest and they get thegun. I'm like, ah, I
did start hitting him with my pickaxe, and then they shoot me with
the gun and then they realize Idon't have anything right right, and then
they kill me with a pickax.Oh just due the first one. It

(51:15):
was fine. So that's that's what'sso funny is that I never would have
thought I would enjoyed and have fundoing it. I think I really still
think ninety percent of it is becausemy kids are playing and I like,
but to go back to your point, I got the battle pass. There's
a there's a new thing where Deadpool. So if you look in them,
they have like a they call itthe battle Pass room where you can track
the challenges and the more things youdo, you unlock more skins, v

(51:37):
bucks, uh emotes, all thisstuff. You could pay like one hundred
dollars and you get everything in thebattle pass, which is what all the
YouTubers do. But there's a littlegreat in the corner for like event,
and you go through there and youzoom in and it's Deadpool has his own
little office nice and you log ontothe computer and it's lots of funny stuff,

(51:58):
like the user name is Wade andthe password is password. Nicely you
type it in and every week youget to uh Deadpool challenges. So I
guess if you do them all,then maybe you get like a Deadpool skin
or something open for Yeah. Sothere's all those little elements that I like,
But I will not buy just askin for the sake of having a
skin. If I change my mind, I will let you guys see it.

(52:20):
And that's what. So I havetwo under overs that I want to
that I'm gonna secretly bet against youto find out. One is how long
till they put out the thing forthe skin that you want. It's gonna
be like the Jared Jeff skin orsomething you've been done. They're gonna there's
something that's not gonna be that.It's gonna be a cling on. There's
gonna be something you're like, yeah, that'll be funny. I got that.

(52:42):
It would have to be a skinwhere I would look like a dad
or like me, Like I wouldwant the players to know I'm a forty
year old playing this game with Likethat would have to be if it was
like, I'm a dude who wearspolo shirts and cargo shorts, would like
the characters kind of look like thatalready, right, Yeah, but it
would have to be that, Like, it would have to be a guy
who's kind of chubby and he's weirdpolo shirts. And then the other thing

(53:07):
is that's already annoying me is thatI've been doing Tales of Tiria for three
years all an attempt to get youto play this game with me. I'm
already considering playing Fortnite with you becausethat that sounds fun and I think we
would have fun playing. I'll geton there and play it with you.
Um, you did play strange brigadewith me, so that was fair.
We could go back to doing that. I forgot strange bame your sons would

(53:30):
like it. Actually, that'd befun, do they because you can play
have a party of four. Let'sdo that way they play it? Well,
yeah, now we can't. Inever thought of that. They've they've
played it in the past. ThatJacob I think likes it more than Jack.
But yeah, really it's just shootingmummies. How can they not enjoy
that. I don't know. Jacobliked them. He liked the style of
it. Yeah, it's really stylised. It appealed to him. I think

(53:52):
he didn't like the gameplay though,like just the fact that you're too isolated
in a map. Well, ifyou play with other players, if you
play with a team of four,that would be that's a lot more fun.
And I know not all the secrets, but I know a lot of
the secrets, so we'd be ableto explore some extra chambers and things if
I played four. Although it's hardbecause the time usually the time I could
play is when I'm playing with thekids, and now it's it's it is

(54:15):
kind of weird in my opinion,because now it'll be like me and Jack
and Jacob and one of their friends. Yeah, we'll be in a in
a squad, so there's always afourth kid and they're like, oh,
we're playing. And then there's onetime where Jacob's like a friend would join
and goes, hey, I'm playingwith my dad, so I can't.
I can't play right now, andI feel kind of bad. I'm like,
well, you could go play here. He's like, no, No,
why would I want to do that? Why don't do it? Know

(54:37):
your dad? I love you,dad, I don't want to play.
It easier if you do with me. I mean, well, how just
out of curiosity? How is thetreehouse sho been building? Not done?
There's like and the best part isis that that they made fun of me
saying that ever get done? Andnow I was like, do I want
to do that? Like? ShouldI like? Because now Jacob's too old

(54:57):
for it? They don't. Theyclearly my kids love it. They do.
That's the thing is, I thinkI just need to build it so
it's at least safer when other kidscome over like that, because I was
going to build an actual structure upthere, I remember, but now I
think I'm just gonna build a railingand a ladder so that you could go
up the rock climbing wall and climbdown the ladder would be good and make
it safe. I think at thevery least, you should have one week
off in summer of no video gamesand just see what your children do.

(55:22):
Yeah. They but see we've donethat mostly because either Natalie's like enough is
enough, or she wants she wantsto disconnect a little bit. And they
don't have a real big problem withit. And your neighborhood there, I
don't see kids playing in the street. Kids. They're never kids on bike.
Your neighborhood. No, we don'thave a street. We have an
alley. That's true. There's nevernow here's the thing. Oh this is

(55:45):
more of a dad podcasting. Butanyway, Uh, we're hanging out at
the house. I was doing somework and I come back and um,
while I was working, I comehome and Jack was getting ready, and
I said, where's Jack going?And he goes, Natalie goes. The
weirdest thing happened. I'm sitting hereand I'm working and the kids are playing
video games. And then there's aknock at the door and this kid who

(56:06):
I don't know. I say hi, and he goes, hey, can
Jack come out and play? Andshe was like, uh, so did
she do check to make sure hewasn't a ghost? Right, it's easier
with be able to raise children.Just touch, just make sure you struggle
with her. I'm I'm just gonnalay down, right, So I take

(56:30):
me raven. So she goes intothe room. She goes, Jack,
Uh, there's a friend at thefront door. What's to know if you
could come and play? And hegoes what now, I don't know.
Was he dressed like an eighties kid? Like it's actually it's it's like a
kid. It's a ghost that livesand she was a child. I don't

(56:55):
know if the people listen to hisshow, but there was a time in
history where you would go to someone'shouse and you would say, hey,
can Kevin come out and play?Or one of their neighborhoods. Let's still
do that, I hope. Soyeah, But anyway, so he went
over to the school parking lot andit's like it's great, mom's kind of
old school. They live right acrossthe street for the park a lot.

(57:16):
The kids. You see the kidsplaying on scooters every time they bought walkie
talkies. So the kid has awalkie talkie. Mom's got a walkie talkie,
so she sent him to come toour house. He had a walk
into that she could talk to him, and so she got her his mom's
number. So Natalie and her weretexting. She goes, yeah, she
goes, I hope you don't mind. She goes, like, I could
see them from my kitchen window,but I just hang out in the house

(57:37):
and they play out there all thetime. She goes, I have a
walkie talkie if they need anything orwhatever, and you know, and they
shout. They went out there andhad like a nerf war, came back
a couple of times and got someguns, and uh and what's Here's It's
so funny too, because at theend of the day, we're having dinner
and he's like, tomorrow, I'mnot walking anywhere, Like, where do

(57:58):
you mean? God do it?I did so much running today. I'm
done. I've walked a month.I put my foots, my steps in
and I'm done. Yes, myApple Watch says goal achieved. I'm done.
I can't walk. I literally can'teven can't even child so uh so,

(58:20):
yeah, so I don't know ifwe will ever finish the fork.
I don't think that's gonna happen.I think if you put the p S
four s in it'll work. Iknow, I thought, remember that was
part of it. I think thezip line, if I put the zip
line like I planned, that wouldback out. The last summer, we
didn't even put the pool up.And they don't care either. The PlayStations
are pretty great, I know.And that's the thing. I mean,
Honestly, you tell me, Idon't think I'm being a bad father by

(58:44):
letting them play video. You havetwo sons. They would be fighting over
in anyway, and they were,yes. But my point is is that
I'm not like I don't. There'sthere's maybe a very very very small part
of it, but like I don't. I just don't feel like I'm the
guy who's like, you gotta getoutside, Like yeah, you know what
I mean. Like, here's thething, figure that out. Time has
taught us that this lesson will alwayshappen no matter what the current technology is.

(59:05):
Because when we were kids, itwas have your own separate phone line
or something or another TV in thehouse. And then Serenity Firefly showed us
in the future you want your yourdedicated wave box. And that kid was
like a young what's the hot kidthat was hot like ten years ago?
No? No, was he evercute? No? No, no,

(59:27):
hot, hot hot? No hekissed Michelle Peiffer in that New Year's Eve
movie. Uh. Anyway, heplayed a young version of one of the
characters on Serenity and it was allthe it's all the same thing, like
so if you didn't, there wouldstill be a desire to have multiple PlayStations
in the room. And and it'sthe activity, it's the thing to do.

(59:49):
Yeah, who who would want toclimb a tree when you can have
a PlayStation? Right? And Idon't think I I just I don't know.
So I saw this commercial recently.We can end here, this is
the end. It was, ah, yes, you got it. Um.
It was one of those like shamingcommercials that it's like they showed um,
three generations, so like current kids, kids, your son's age,

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then like gen xers and baby boomers, and the baby boomer and Gen x
are sitting at a table in akitchen. They're like, what did you
do when you were a kid,And the boomer says something like, oh,
I picked blueberries when I was akid that was an activity we did.
Oh, that's really cute. Andthen they asked the other guy,
what did you do? Oh,we would get some friends together and we
would make macromay things or something like, Oh, that's that's really fun.

(01:00:36):
Then it cuts the ten year oldand he's just this bride eyed, super
excited kid and like, what doyou do? Oh, I play Fortnite
and I do la la la lala, and he goes into all the
technical stuff and then the music setsin. Oh no, can you believe
that this child is playing Fortnite?Like and then they and then to double
down on the shame, they cutback to the to the baby boomer and

(01:01:00):
the gen x or mom and theyshow a video of the kid's response like,
hen so those are your responses,you people that had decent, normal
childhoods uh here, watch a videoof your own son today and what they're
doing with their free time, Likeoh, it's just so sad. I'm
just so sad for them. Andthen it goes on about like if we

(01:01:22):
don't we need to enjoy our nationalparks or something like Idaho parks are dying
and we gotta get the kids outthere, put a land party in there
and visit Halftome exactly. That's why. That's what I've been saying, which
is why you need to go landparty and a half dome. Dot Org
put off a webcam, but peoplecould virtually tour. I was like,
listen, if if you had donethat same ad fossil fuel, if you

(01:01:45):
had done that same ad thirty yearsago, you could get away with the
grandparents saying, yeah, we didn'twatch television or anything. And maybe they
read some books and listen to theradio, but they were not the media
consumers that everybody is in but thereis not. You can't honestly tell me
that boomers were picking blueberries over watchingHowdy Duty and copious hours of television.

(01:02:07):
And their entire generation is earmarked withmovies in the eighties and nineties, wrestling
with the fact that they wasted theirchildhood watching television. That's what scrooged us
all about, is going, oh, I probably could have had a better
life. There was a whole TVshow that an HBO called Like dream On
where he spent his entire childhood watchingTV and then goes, yeah, that's

(01:02:29):
right, yeah, And then theycut together those old things and then came
back yet back into the world,and that was that's a twenty year old
HBO show right there. And thenour generation, like we grew up on
VCRs, cable television and nintendos.There's no way that we were all macromain
and making it because the worry thatI had is that my kids would not

(01:02:52):
learn because if you think about it, the majority of the things I always
think back to your thing of Iwas joking at one time and I said,
well, you know, I thinki'd be a pretty good detective because
I'm pretty get that game. You'relike, yeah, but that's when you're
playing La Noir. Yeah, yeah, Like that's built for you to succeed,
and it was funny. But thenI was like, oh yeah,
I never thought of that part ofthe of a game. But it is
built for you to feel. Likewhen you go to detective class, they're

(01:03:13):
like, all right, tears outto be a detective. Yet when does
the glowing light appear on the evidence? How do I why do I press
or the glasses that I wear?So like, I feel it's because this
is hard. This is really hard. I don't know, like there's there's
no hair even here. I can'teven see anything. What do we do?
I've I for a long time thoughtI could be a cowboy because cowboys

(01:03:35):
can stop time. And I keeptrying to figure out how to press the
R three and L three buttons atthe same time and just stop time.
I just have that on a Smithand Wesson. So when Jacob so I
was worried about that and Jacob hiscontroller, he called it stick drift?
Are you familiar with this? SoI get it. If you leave a
controller that it's like where the stickson the PlayStation m and you and you

(01:03:58):
don't move, your character will moveanywhere there's stick drift. And then so
he was like, oh, Igotta get a new controller. And he
had enough money, but he's like, I don't want to spend my money
on a controller. So he wenton YouTube and he googled how to fix
stick drift and he found he watcheda whole a couple of videos and uh.
And then they said it's because ofdust. Like he thought he had
to do something. They said,it's most likely because of dust. So

(01:04:20):
with persons said, you get ahoover, and he went to Dantale goes,
mom, what's a hoover? Hegoes, oh, it's like a
vacuum cleaner. He's like, okay, what's a vacuum cleaner? Exactly?
What? No? What? Yeah? Like what here's the hold on.
It's not like he had no frameof reference, but he's like, well,
we're like do we because we don'thave we have one in the garage
because we have had like you know. So he's like, oh, like

(01:04:43):
what she goes here and then shewent out and she tried vacuuming it.
But to me, I was like, oh good. Yeah, Like he
had a problem. He tried tofigure out how to solve it, and
then when he hit a wall,like he at least came and helped,
And I was like okay, becausewhen they were younger, they wouldn't do
any of that stuff right now constantlygo figure it out, like you gotta
figure And then they figured out usingthe resources are available exactly YouTube, Yes,

(01:05:03):
exactly, which is how I fixedmy fan on my PS course.
What we would do is we wouldgo to the library and check it rent
check out a book about a topic. To figure stuff out, they have
to look things up. That wasmy read. That would frustrate. We
were like, look at it ifyou don't want to spell a word.
Look it up in the dictionary.Look. If I knew how to spell

(01:05:24):
the word, I would know whereit was in the dictionary. But I
don't. So now how am Isupposed to figure that out? I'm just
looking. Does it start with T? Does it start with D? Is
it a Japanese word? I don'tknow? Tell me how to spell the
word. My son, older son, came to me, Now, mind,
you have to buy a dictionary oncethey get about third and fourth grade,
because they teach me how to useit everything. And he cames out

(01:05:44):
and he goes, Dad, howdo you spell blah blah blah? And
I said, look it up.He goes, but I don't know how
to look it up? And Isaid, son, you literally live in
a time. Will you never needto know how to spell a word for
the rest of your It's easy.It's so easy that if you can't figure
it out, I will have todisown you as my child. And he

(01:06:08):
goes, I understand, what doyou mean? I go, I gave
you a computer and a connection tothe world. That's all you need to
spell anything, anything, Just typeit. I go, here's all you
have to He goes, but Idon't even know how to. Sorry.
I go just guess and it willfigure it out for you. I didn't
have that information. Yes, youdid. Good luck getting me to feel

(01:06:29):
sorry for you. Parenting, parenting, and video gaming. Yeah, I
apologize that I don't play a computerconsole games. And now you're about to
play Fortnite. That's all right?That might kick the guilt up about Really,
I don't know what good that?That's good? You know what if

(01:06:53):
we play a little more Strange Brigade, I think it might take it down
a notcha too, especially if yourboys play it. But I'll play a
little Fortnite with you. You don'thave to. You should try Guild Wars
at the very least. You're right, You're absolutely right. I'm not going
to do it. I don't know. Like, here's the thing. It's

(01:07:14):
it's about carving out the time,right because the chances of me matching up
we try to play Strange Brigade andI couldn't even get my schedule to match
up on a Friday. I willquit anything to play Guild Wars with you,
and so you name the time.I was two am on a Tuesday,
seven am on a Wednesday, I'mthere, Poco, I'm making breakfast,

(01:07:38):
um six forty five. You can'tdo it in fifteen minutes. You
can start, yeah, exactly,and then you'd be like, how long
you have to sit out and playGuild Wars two. Yeah, it depends
on what you want to do.But I play. I can play for
fifteen minutes, I can play forfive I can. But if I do
events and stuff, they take abouta half hour, and real serious stuff.

(01:08:00):
When there's like a big campaign that'llbe that'll be an hour and a
half long session. But that's likeI we're at the end of something.
I need to get this done,and I want to get it done right.
I don't know. I'll think aboutit. There's no way for me
to respond without sounding like a jackal. It's really not like if I say,
okay, listen, we'll play Fortnitefirst, and because I'm probably gonna
play it for like one minute andbe like no, I'll be a shot

(01:08:25):
because I know that'll never does kindof grow on you. I'm gonna warn
you of this, like you can'tgo into it. And because here's what
happened. I played it the firsttime, I was like, this is
dumb. If my kids weren't here, I would not be having fun.
And then, like you played acouple of times and you're like and you
start to get the hang of it, and you go, oh, that's
why I'm willing to figure out theguns. Yeah, and then you got
to figure out building. I'm willingto do it with you because I love

(01:08:45):
Overwatch and I love Destiny too,and Destiny one and the Fortnight is in
that genre, so I get it. But I it just looks like boring
Minecraft with guns to me. Myfear is is that what if it's because
I got that early victory royal andthen it gave me enough of that endorphment
that that's how it's got me hooked. And so that's why it's really not
good. I need to have adream where I win, yeah, and

(01:09:09):
then I'll be well, possibly gowrong. Two legendaries. Man, Hey,
if you want to talk to allierlike minded gamers, go to bit
dot, Lee, Slash, gaberLand, Discord. By the way,
I'm about to run out of thissong. Uh. And then if you
want to watch on live, yougo to twitch dot tv slash the Kevin
Miller and you could watch the showlive. You can watch Kevin to play

(01:09:30):
games live. Just check it,check it out, check it, and
do it. I'm after the Kevinler. This is just words saying Okabe,