Freeplay: The Last One

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We had the nerd geek hub that was our...
In 2015, hey, it's about geek stuff was enough.
In 2015, yeah.
The evolution of it is, it didn't happen fast, but it kind of, if you look back on it, it's

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like damn, it kind of just flashed by, but it didn't at all.
It was definitely a slow crawl.
Even for this show, the way things evolved, the certain gimmicks that stayed or segments
that you kept, that all was bred out of chaos because there was so much chaos in the beginning.

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It was just pure chaos.
I was going to say, the reason it flashed by in a blur was because it's a haze of alcohol.
I know.
It's not about it went by fast.
We were just too shit-house to remember all of it.
I can't believe how much booze we drank during episodes back in the day.
Stupid amounts.
And how much time it took me to edit something that sounded like fucking garbage.

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I would take 16 hours to edit something that was like, it sounded like the peanuts adults
at the end of it.
Yeah, you'd be surprised.
There are still, I know podcasts that have been out for five or six years that still
sound like that.
So, I mean, give yourself some credit.
Sure.
I'm not saying that we have an absolutely perfect show now, but it's definitely better.
It's at least listenable now.
It's very enjoyable to listen to.

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Yeah.
Oh yes.
I don't feel like nails on a chalkboard.
No, it's easy on the ears.
So yeah, we're-
This is our ASMR segment.
Let's get into it because we don't have a format for this episode.
We're not talking about anything in particular.
We're doing the final episode as a free play, as our listeners probably know.
We're doing the exact opposite of what we just said, which is beautiful.

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Yeah, we're saying you've got to have some kind of thing to talk about this episode.
Well, we had order at a chaos.
Now it's time to bring it back to a little bit of chaos.
And to dust they shall return.
That's right.
That's right.
We are, if you have been following along the last couple months with GUI, we've talked
about there being an ending to our regular releases of episodes.

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This is it.
This is the last one.
Year?
We've done releasing episodes permanently.
We'll be releasing a couple here and there as we have a chance to get together and shoot
the shit and release stuff.
But we are not going to be releasing even monthly moving forward.
I like to think of this as the retirement phase where we're all, we're going to get

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shorts and-
Some Tommy Bahama shirt.
Yeah, Bahama shirt.
And we're only going to release when the weather's nice and we can take our shoes off.
You're going to turn this into us wearing socks and sandals and I just don't.
No, no, no.
You can't wear those on the fucking beach.
That's what I'm saying.
This sounds like dinner time at three and bedtime at six.

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No, no, no.
It's not that kind of boring ass retirement.
This is more like-
This is like martinis on the bungalow bar on the beach.
This is that one crazy summer before we all go off to college where we're like, no matter
what we do, we meet up once a year, we're still going to be friends and then we meet
up once a year and talk about those successful ones and the ones that have a crack habit

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and everybody's kind of going in their own directions but are still close.
That makes no sense because we're all, everyone who's been on this podcast is twice the age
of anybody getting in college.
No, but for podcasts.
Oh, yeah.
Nah, for podcasting, yeah.
Well, you started eight years ago so we're a child.
We're like a child.

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We're just hitting puberty.
That's why we're switching off the waves.
In podcast years, eight years is basically like a senior citizen.
That's true.
Yeah, AARP card.
Whatever metaphor you want to use, this is Geeks are the Influence.
We will be releasing every so often an episode when we get a chance to get together and we
want to either talk about something like a movie or something happening that we really
want to talk about or we just want to get together and shoot a shit.

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And I mean, every other show is moving forward strong and we're at where there's going to
be, well, we'll get into that in the episode.
That is something we have a slate for, Matt, is we do want to gush all over what GY's got
planned for the year.
Oh, yeah, we got some stuff coming.
So we definitely need to go into that.
We are somewhat still have a, you know, we have an avenue we're going to go down.

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We're going to inch down it.
Nothing's dying.
I bet you are low down.
That's right.
That's all they can take is just, you know, they give me a Salvatore under the hand under
the table.
Hands up.
Oh, yeah.
Dry.
It's the final hand job.
Yeah, die.
Welcome to Geeks are the Influence.

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All things, all things.
Welcome to the show, all things episode 269.

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Welcome.
Welcome to chaos.
You're going to make a like a next generation joke, like all good things, like as like the
final episode sort of.
Oh, no, no, no.
Yeah, I you fucking nerd.
I figured that the final hand job joke was good enough and just, yeah, I was a nerd.
Sorry.
We're not welcome.
I was a little slow to respond to the word because I was thinking of lyrics to go to

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that song.
And then I just went away together.
I was going to say we're coming together.
We're coming together.
That's better.
That's better.
See?
That's why we're a team.
Exactly.
This is like this is like, you know, Weird Al, you know, late night.
It's the GY night's version of Weird Al.
Yeah, it's like this gribbling furiously.
This is brilliant.
Just do you like nights?

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We're sitting in his closet with his earbuds on listening to Geeks under the influence,
writing his new hit.
Oh, God.
Dry jacking into a towel.
Oh, no.
Oh, oh, you did.
Well, sorry to this fucking guy.
This will for sure be a chaotic episode.
We got a lot of booze to get through.
We got lots of reminiscing and excitement about the future to get through and a great

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panel.
You got we got the old schoolers here for sure.
First off, of course, is Kyle Smash.
What's up?
One of the fathers.
Hi.
And you guys are back to releasing episodes after a brief hiatus.
The Geek Fathers.
We are regular, you know, you know, releasing as regular as we as we can keep it.
Yeah, fair.
And this world and as busy as shit is, but you know, fathers.

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Yeah, that that tends to throw a wrench into things at times, but it's a good wrench.
You know, it's it's not a bad wrench.
Let's just put that out there.
Well, you know, it comes up the works, but it's OK.
Children are not bad wrenches.
They're good.
I know China proves that all the time.
They're good.
Oh, that should be the tagline of your show.

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Geek Fathers children are not bad wrenches.
Oh, but it's.
Yeah, it's been fun.
We actually we actually recorded last night.
And I think I think I saw one posted today, an episode drop on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So get some fucking listen to it.
Oh, yeah.
Right.

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Listen to it.
Next up is our resident specialist and schlock roots this year.
Yes, indeed.
How's everybody doing?
Great.
I fucking keen.
I finally saw the menu.
I'm glad you did.
It is really good.
It's way better than it has any reason.
So it lives up to the hype.

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It's really good.
I don't know.
I don't know if it's like my favorite movie of like 2022 or whatever, but it's not the
best film ever, but it is so much better than it has any reason to be.
And if I if I can describe it, it's cheesy.
If I can describe it in like 10 seconds, it's like that awesome freaking opening to American

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Psycho where they're doing all like the food art during the credit sequence.
You're done.
If they made that a movie.
And yeah, you made it.
Well, it's pretty close.
Made it.
Well, it's good.
Good job.
Yeah.
But yeah, that was really good.
That was one of those guys.
I was told that like before like the Oscars and stuff, I had to make sure that I had to
catch the menu and I did.
And I don't know if this is really an Oscar contender for me, but it's it's a great film.

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Is it up?
I don't think they made the announcement.
Oh, OK.
No, I think it's probably one of my favorite.
It's in my top five favorite genre movies of the year.
Hundred percent.
Top five.
Yeah, I would have to think about that for a minute.
But for like for like horror and thriller and all that kind of stuff like satire, like
everything.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
You know, it's an HBO and I just haven't watched it yet, but I did edit to my list.

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It's on the.
It's a good time with the fucking.
It's like an alien human actress.
What's her face?
Is it?
Oh, Anna Taylor, Joanna Taylor, Joy.
It looks like she looks like a fucking praying man.
Actually, I'm sorry.
Oh, God, I would love to.
Never mind.
No, I mean, that's the thing is like she's still very attractive, but she also looks
like a praying mantis.
I can't get on you on your joy.
I can't get that to like quantify in my brain that I want to have like loving, nurturing

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sex with a praying mantis.
I got you.
Well, it probably I feel like she'd probably more like dirty fuck, too.
I don't think she's straight like we are talking about this and I know she's a grown ass adult
now, but like it wasn't that long ago that she was a child in the witch.
Just saying it was 2015.
It was actually like the first year we like did this podcast seven years ago.

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Yeah.
And also ask yourself, would it be worth it if she's if she happens to actually be a praying
mantis?
You've done lost your head.
Yeah, yeah.
No, like I mean, it's not worth it.
I would definitely take a beat to consider it, but then it'd be no.
No, I've got too much to live for.
She is pretty and she she did a great job in Last Night in Soho, too.

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That was awesome.
That was that was really good.
And I mean, she did great in Northman.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't see that.
Yeah, it's all prime now.
It's fucking awesome.
It is incredible.
It's a goddamn fever dream of like old religion, fucking old Scandinavian religion and just
is just brutal.
Watch it on the biggest screen you can find because it's worth it.

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I wish I saw the theater because I feel like my sixty five inch was not doing it justice
and it looked gorgeous.
But I was like, why didn't I fucking see this in theater?
Yeah, I was pissed.
But it was only in theater for like a week.
One that knows is I think for the first time on the show, pissed during a recording is
totally the very first time.
Very first time.
Never happened before.
We're we're facing history right now.
Yeah.

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Rewriting GY history.
Yeah, absolutely.
As we speak, the rage monster himself, Mr. Lowdown Brown MacGyver.
Fucks up, everybody.
Actually, like I've gotten I've gone down.
Yeah, throughout the years.
It's like with the way that the real love and the grumpy is going up, but the actual
like roid rage has gone down.
It has.
And not that I've never done steroids, folks.

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It's just, you know, it's a saying, just don't get your all paid.
I remember we had live recordings.
I would actually have like a graphic show up on the screen whenever you were going on
a rant.
Yeah, right.
That was amazing.
I love that.
It was so much fun.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah, it was great.
It was awesome.
Yeah.
I remember doing some shit back in the day with this show.
It was so good, though.
Oh, very fun.
So good.

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Well, you know, he he's the one obviously he brought me he brought me on and and Hunter
at well and Hunter.
But I just mean like, oh, you brought me and Hunter on different times.
Yeah.
But when you brought me on, it was the Star Wars, you know, the original trilogy discussion.
And I'm sitting there like I'm looking for cues.
I'm looking at you for cues.

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And I'm like, oh, God, and this motherfucker gets so drunk and so fucking hammered, he's
just asleep.
Just pass the fuck out.
Then he gets up randomly goes in the bathroom.
We don't see him for like a good I don't know how maybe 15 minutes comes back out.
Still absolutely useless to me.
I'm like, oh, no, no, no, I didn't come back out.
Like, oh, OK.
Crump came in and found me.

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That's the night I broke the.
Is that when he put his balls on your forehead?
Was that a different time?
That would be more specific.
That happened a lot.
This was when they found me passed out leaning against the cupboard and I had broken the
panel out on the cupboard under the bathroom.
That's right.
And what does he know?
I blame that because that was on a Sunday and I started drinking it like nine thirty
those Sunday and didn't stop a Sunday recordings with brunch.

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Jesus.
Yeah.
Like dangerous to our well-being.
You remember the brunches, groups.
You only came to a couple of groups.
Was there a bit of brunches, dude?
Oh, yeah.
And started nine thirty.
I was like ten.
I was like eleven maybe.
I was like somewhere between like ten or ten or eleven thirty.
It was like ten.
And then I was like two or three and then either go home for a little bit or just go
straight over and then start pre-gaming for the recording and then around like four or

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five start recording and then take an hour or two in between.
Like after the first break.
That's literally what happened is I did brunch.
I left brunch at like finally at like two thirty or three, went over there and just
hung out.
It was just nonstop drinking all day.
All day.
I think by the time I got there, you were well into it.
You must have been well into it.
I was well into it when I got there at like four.

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Yeah.
Anyway, I was just like, yeah, low down.
No, he's gone.
He's gone, everybody.
And the simple fact that this was the idea that we had to this is a show that people
want to listen to is our slurred as fuck.
Like, after.
Now, the man who was so grateful for where we are now and what is what G.I. has evolved

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into.
But the man who thought it was a good idea to edit all that shit and have us all drinking
for a total of recording for two and a half hours.
There's like there was six hours of a hangout and everything other than two and a half hours
was booze.
He thought it was a good idea.
We got Mike Dobby bigger right here.
Yeah, I'm dumb.
I would leave work on Fridays, come straight from work to record, start drinking.

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We wouldn't record till like same time is now like around eight.
Yeah.
Take like an hour and a half break and then record the second.
Like, dude, it was stupid.
We would get done around like sometimes one in the morning.
Yes.
We'd finished recording.
Yes.
You'd have to eat a meal in between.
I didn't.
I would bring food, but yeah, he would help.
Well, when we would do that, I would bring like I would bring bags of just pretzels from

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Wawa.
I'm like, just anything to soak up.
I almost brought it one tonight just out of nostalgia.
I remember that.
Used to bring pretzels.
I was better than Dan, which to Dan.
To Dan.
He would stop.
He lost.
He would stop at publics and he would get these giant sandwiches and then he would just
like eat the sloppiest.
He was the sloppiest eater.
Yeah, he was.

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He would have like mayonnaise and stuff all over his beard, just like dripping off of
his beard, just making the loud munching noises.
It's like, dude, you can't eat.
Oh, you're recording.
You can't eat near me.
Go stand at the other side of the yard and finish that.
But I, it's funny you mention that because just speaking of one of the GUI family we

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lost is I was thinking about that one day.
Oh, I was at Hardywood for puncture presents.
I think that's the first time I've been at the Richmond Hardywood since his celebration
of life at the end of 2021.
So it kind of hit me a little bit.
And I was thinking just about that because I used to meet Dan all the time and there
was usually eating involved and I was like, yeah, he is the sloppiest eater.

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But I would kill to watch him eat like he's got fucking trough on his face with him not
being here.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, honestly, like I want that back just so I can say, dude, here's a fucking
napkin.
He's like, fuck.
The first time I've lost over the years, that's the thing is that the stuff that you used
to bitch at them about the most.
Yeah, dude.
The things that you kind of miss, even the stuff that was annoying as shit.

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I miss that shit because like literally, I mean, it became a thing with he and I, like
we'd be out at like something where at Hardywood or whatever we get a food truck, get some
to eat and he would start eating and like halfway through I'm like, bro, use the fucking
napkin.
He's like, fuck you.
Keep eating.
And it just became a thing where he knew I was going to talk some shit and he was going
to just tell me to go fuck myself or something.
I don't know.
It was like a.
A thing.
It was a thing.

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Yeah.
And I think what Kelsa says from Scrubs is like, you know, basically what you said is
like, you know, the things that drive you crazy are the things you you tend to miss
the most when they're gone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's it's it's probably the truest statement there is.
That's their like most themness is the stuff that is clearly not something they're doing

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to get along with people.
Yeah.
It's the stuff that you like them in spite of.
Exactly.
And that that's the very true statement, too, is the stuff that you love about you.
That you still love them in spite of the things that make you want to bash your head in a
while.
That's them.
Themness is something we tried to definitely maintain on this show is just none of us that

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are being really performative more than maybe being maybe being a lot, but we're still being
ourselves.
You know, we're still being our own personalities.
We're not like faking it or doing some different version of ourselves.
We're showing off for sure.
For sure.
But but it's still us.
And with that, you know, we've maintained that.
But also with that has helped make it a network and people feeling like they have the confidence

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to go off and create their own show.
They get the reps behind the mic on on this on this podcast, the flagship GUI.
But the fact that we nurture people being who they are as far as, you know, weird quirks
and weird mannerisms and stuff like that, I feel like that was a big catalyst into what
allowed it to become a network because people just felt like they could be themselves while

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creating a show.
And they didn't lose that by becoming a showrunner and feel like they had to put on a different
face, you know, and that's a that's a big deal.
It really is.
Yeah, I mean, that was the genesis of GUI is we're a bunch of friends.
We love talking shit about nerd stuff, about each other, everything about each other, about

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everything we love to do, like music, movies, everything.
Like we love talking about that stuff.
Why the fuck don't we like get together?
We're already doing it.
We're already getting together.
We're already watching the movies.
We're already doing the thing.
Let's get together, record something.
And that was the genesis.
And we proved that we could do that and have fun doing it for some number of years.

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And then we started to have.
Yeah, exactly.
Other shows like, well, let's do this thing that's more specific or this and that fucking
beautiful.
And at the end of the day, it's not about like it's not about like marketing or making
money.
It's about having fun and and like doing something that makes us happy.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, I'm sure any therapist will probably tell you that like, all right, what's

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what's your favorite show or movie?
Is that something that you watch all the time when you're like feeling stressed out?
That's your comfort show.
And that's all we do.
Like we sit around and we share these things that comfort us and just happens to be that
a lot of a burn the same level, same wavelength.
And that stretches across, you know, it's the age of the geek or age of the nerd.
Like that stretches across oceans.

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It really does.
And that's what that's where that's where it comes from is like, this is what kind of
makes me up.
This is why this is my favorite movie.
You get that about me, don't you?
Yeah.
Like, and that's what's cool.
That's what I've always loved about it.
You know, I felt like I actually for an hour and a half, somebody understands me.
Yeah, that's actually a very huge part of it, too.

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That's well said.
Although I do feel bad because I know you're one of your number one comforts is and we
never did a scrub episode.
I'm sorry.
No, but that's like your number one.
That's like your go to.
That's my yeah, that's that's stuff.
Twenty twenty two.
I watched it.
I feel like we all enjoy scrubs.
So I don't know.
Actually, right now it's Brooklyn Nine Nine.
I switched it up just for a little while.

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But but scrubs has track record.
The years.
Yeah, it's like an emotional anchor.
There's almost an infinite amount of like fandom and nerddom that you could latch on
to.
And there's I mean, this show could have run, you know, like, you know, every week for the
next like 20 years.

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And we still wouldn't cover everything.
So not even close.
Not even.
Yeah.
So much stuff that we talked about doing that never did.
We never did.
We never did a Lord of the Rings episode.
We never did a James Bond episode.
We never did.
No, we never did.
We did.
Did we end up doing rings of power?
I think we did a Rings of Power.
We did do rings of power.
But I thought we never did.
We never did a Lord of the Rings episode.
That was a mistake.
We should have done a Lord of the Rings episode and just not done the rings of power.

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What the fuck are you talking about?
That's the thing.
Especially during the summers, we were looking at there being like eight things that we had
to cover in the same week that it was impossible.
We had to pick one.
And that became brutal, you know, and that was part of it, too, is that I think we were
trying to chase the most current.
And I was definitely kind of leading the charge on trying to stick with the very current stuff

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that we're talking about.
But that gets exhausting after a while, for sure.
Sure.
And then also, like, the amount of shit to pick up on from the past is daunting.
Like it's so, it has to be absolutely just like, you know, overwhelming.
Well, there's just more stuff being added to the past as you go, you know, like there's

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just more and more content.
Everything you missed and you go to the next year now is in the past.
Yep.
Like, hey, remember last year when this thing came out?
Let's talk about it now.
Exactly.
They just call that being alive.
Yeah.
Being sentient.
But with like in that respect, it's like there's a certain timeframe that needs to go by before
it's like almost OK to go back in the past and start and do an episode.

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You know what I mean?
Or some cultural mention that brings it back into the zeitgeist.
Like Stranger Things brought back tons of stuff and like, OK, well, now we can reference
this because like that show did that and stuff like that.
Actually, I love it.
Stranger Things has been one of my favorite shows now for a while because not just because
of nostalgia, but it's really it's well written.
So there's a lot of came out of nowhere and just took over Netflix.

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Well, they took over everything.
Yeah, they took over Netflix.
But I'm about twenty sixteen.
Yeah, but remember, it had like one trailer and then boom.
And then it's like fucking everything.
It was everything.
Yeah, because twenty seventeen or into twenty eighteen is when season two came out.
Yeah.
Right before twenty.
Yeah.
And then that like Netflix at that point in time was poised.

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They they like they pulled all their fucking money together and just threw all kinds of
good shit out there.
And they weren't really like advertising it because I remember seeing the first trailer
for for for fucking Stranger Things.
And I was like, all right, this looks all right.
But it hit like a fucking ton of bricks.
Yeah, dude, like a number of different things.

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Think about the competition they had at the time as far as streaming services go.
They had what?
That was it.
And it was just getting started.
And I think it's still free, maybe at that point.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It was light.
Amazon Prime had only done a couple things.
But like, yeah, no, they crushed.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, besides probably the two or three biggest shows that have ever been viewed,

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which is what?
Stranger Things Wednesday and Wednesday Beat Stranger Things.
Well, Wednesday Beat and what?
Domber now, I think that's that that that that that's what that worries me when I remember
when that came out.
Yeah, people getting ideas.
I watched Domber and like it's a very unsettling, well made show.
But it still made me uncomfortable watching it because they are sensationalizing something
pretty fucking awful.

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It's not that it's the way they for me, it's the way they did it.
Like I literally had to watch almost every episode in two sittings because my skin would
start crawling.
Yeah, it was so fucking creepy.
I feel like those metrics, though, what you're talking about are a little bit skewed.
Like obviously, there's more viewership now with with Netflix and everything.
But like, I feel like if you're looking at long term versus like day of or like week

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of or release of, I don't think they even touch what Stranger Things is.
Are you talking about streaming and downloads and things like that?
Yeah, it's like viewing hours.
I think it's like Wednesday.
Obviously, it was huge.
I think Wednesday's I don't think it.
I don't think it really did.
Well, by the if you take it by the analytics, they don't using.

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Well, that's they're not basing that, of course, off of the amount of seasons that that's been
out.
Wednesday is one season.
They're probably basing that off an average over the over the seasons they've had.
They based it off of the highest, the highest season for Stranger Things.
Right.
I think with season two and they're based.
So I think the article I read, they took like it had to be season four.

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It's like either opening weekend or opening week that they count of number of views in
that period of time.
And that's that's what they use as part of their.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they took the highest rated viewing of whatever the highest premiere of this of whichever
season was.
Right.
And Wednesday beat the highest ever from Stranger Things, no matter what I'm saying is you can
get mathematicians behind it that can probably.

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Oh, yeah, they can figure out like, oh, yeah, it's it's no, it's doing really well, but
it's not quite.
That's what's crazy to me is it's really good.
I love I love Wednesday.
And I'm glad you, Kyle, you finally watched it because when I first mentioned to you like,
it looks too kiddy.
Fuck you.
It was fine.
It was definitely it was on my top five list.
It's really good for streaming shows.

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It doesn't touch me.
It doesn't even come close.
And that doesn't touch Stranger Things.
I did not like Wednesday at first.
The first few episodes, there are some aspects about it that I really didn't like as a big
fan of the Addams Family and not just not just the movies that came out, you know, I
mean, the show classic Addams Family and the comics and everything.
And I feel like the spirit of the characters wasn't exactly right.

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And the world that it was in wasn't exactly right.
Now, that being said, I came around and ended up really enjoying the show.
But I had to look at it as a different like a different like a reimagining of these characters.
It's totally different kind of personalities to these characters.
There's a different relationship between these characters.
You got Burton's.
That's that's exactly what he does.
Gomez, for example, it wasn't even about who was playing him.

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I mean, I think he was maybe the wrong casting, but not because he was ugly.
Where was the manic?
Where was the manic?
Where was the manic of Gomez?
Was it a manic character, not this like kind of slow talking, like kind of like a puppy
dog thing?
Yeah, well, there's a new there's a new well, not newish sort of there's an animated show
or C or CGI show movie with Isaac.

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Yeah, that that that he that he based that more off of.
No, what I that's what that's what he did.
I know.
I agree with you.
What I've been what I love about the show, if you really think about it, I love the I
love a show that starts off in a world that doesn't explain shit to you about the world
and doesn't even worry about doing it throughout the show.
And so you like you hop into this world where the Addams family was the weirdest thing in

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it, right?
That's what made them the Addams family.
That was the point.
Yeah, right.
But now they're in this world mixed with, you know, all these other like werewolves.
But it's not just the secret.
The normies also know about the werewolves and the world.
That was the big thing for me to get used to is that the world now knows that.
OK, wait a minute.
But they introduced that so subtly and they don't apologize.
Tim Burton's just like, just let it be the world.

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We don't need to explain him shit.
And that's, I think, for me, what I loved about it, because I totally came into this
world and I didn't ask any questions.
I was like in this world.
And then after the fact, I was like, oh, that was smart.
You know, you didn't be like, yes, well, you know, many years ago, this or blah, blah,
like it had no explanation.
It was just like, enjoy it.
It were weird.

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Yeah, I just but I did think that that was always the running joke through the movies
and the old TV show.
Who the fuck played Gomez in the old TV show?
He was the original famous actor.
Oh, if you didn't ask me that question, I'd know it immediately.
Something.
Yeah, the mustache.
I mean, he always kept the mustache after that.
He's been in tons of shit.
Anyway, it was running gag in the show and running gag in both movies.

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It was even running gag in the third film that had some curry playing Gomez, where the
outside world was weird to them and then the the Adam's family is weird to the outside
world, kind of like with the monsters.
Yeah.
Right.
So for it not to be in that show still felt off slightly.
You know, well, to me, it also that condescension that we know from Wednesday took a different

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form when you consider that it's not the normies anymore that she's reacting to when she's
at summer camp and she's surrounded by a bunch of blondes.
And it's clearly like a play on the preps of the world.
Yeah, that's true.
And you understand that her being condescending is because they are expecting a certain normality
from her that she is just incapable of doing.

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And she's like, you can do your thing.
That's fine.
I'm just don't make me do your thing.
Yeah.
And so when you put her in a place where now it's all a bunch of fucking creepies and like
creepy, what do they call them?
Fuck.
What do they call them?
They call them not the creepies, the the freaks or whatever.
No, they're not freaks.
They're there's they gave him a word normies and there's
a gift it.

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No, not give no, they would not call them different.
There's something they were not calling them the gifted.
But yeah, there's all these werewolves and sirens and vampires.
Her being condescending is now like, OK, so Wednesday's just a bitch now.
Like she has no reason to be condescending to people that are also being othered by the
rest of the world.

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By the way, also had a mermaid in it.
Like they pulled no punches.
They were like any manner of of mystical creature.
Or Hogwarts.
But like out of family doesn't need a fucking Hogwarts.
But who says that?
Who says?
Well, I mean, it takes away what the whole point of the show is.
That's what we're saying.
It takes away the whole point.
That's that's why it takes away what the point of the house has been up to this up to this
time.

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I concur.
And but the point of the show wasn't about the Addams family.
It was about a side character that's never really been explored.
And that was Wednesday.
The side character is a main character.
She was a supporting character.
But in terms of like in terms of a character, this show fleshed this character out and put
her against something just as weird as she is.
And she still acted that way.

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Yeah, because that is just how her mind works.
But it explored her.
And that's what that's what made the show popular.
It was because it explored the fact that she was weird in a place of other weird shit.
Still the fucking outcast.
Yeah, still the outcast in a apparently a school full of outcasts.
And so she still was living up to the Addams family thing.

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OK.
All right.
No, no, I like that.
Yeah.
And that's what meant to be the new Addams family.
But I will say that I love the fact that that show broke out a a 40 year old cramp song.
Yeah, which was actually a cover of like an earlier like, you know, like old school rock

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and rock and roll song, but broke that shit out like Stranger Things did for Metallica
in the last season.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Viral fucking hit.
No, actually.
They never hit the fucking charts until this year.
But that dance, baby, briefly lived because then they started doing TikTok dances to it,

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but they didn't use the fucking cramps because why give credit where credit is due?
They started using that God, God dance dance with my hands.
Initially, when they first started doing the cop, like the first few copycat videos that
I saw like right after they did use Google.
Yeah.
But you're right.
Now they then they started doing like the Lady Gaga song that was never even in the
fucking fuck you.
Like, come on, man.
Get the cramps of God damn credit.

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It's fucking cramps.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, God damn it.
Tick tock.
There's a million memes of it and they use all different music.
But like the song was cramps.
Yeah.
And fucking great.
And even though Vyra did the dance, did the Wednesday dance on TikTok.
Because the first time I saw a mimic or, you know, a parody of was to Google Muck.
And like, I guess that's what I'm saying.

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The first like few weeks after Wednesday aired, I saw that you did it to the cramps.
But now it's gone to the point where it's any song.
But I will say that's a good conversation to have is we don't realize when it comes
into a new show, which is like, oh, fuck yeah, they picked that for fuck.
Yeah, it's awesome.
Because we think, you know, Netflix, Hulu Prime, like it's paid for shit, right?

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We would never have gotten that on cable TV back when we were kids.
Right.
But this is paid for stuff.
Like everything that we pay for now is like HBO was to us.
We were kids.
Sure.
You know, HBO doesn't have this banner anymore of the awesomeness anymore.
Right.
Because you have to pay for everything else too.
There's this paid no regulation.
But certainly trying.
But there's that's happened a few times.

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Like you said, Master Puppets with Metallica, Goo Goo Monk with the cramps.
I recently finished Stranger, Walking Dead's final season hit Netflix.
And in the finale episode, they bring in cult of personality.
And now I realize why I saw that song stream.
It was hitting memes on TikTok.
And I was like, why the fuck are people playing living color all of a sudden?

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And I think the people that were still Walking Dead fans is because they use that in the
finale in a very big scene.
And there's a whole generation of people that are probably watching Walking Dead now that
don't know who the fuck living color is.
So you're seeing that in a lot of songs and a lot of things that we grew up with.
Stranger Things, remember, had two.
It was not just Metallica, but it was also running up that hill.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

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You could thank James Gunn for that.
For putting that back into the zeitgeist.
I want to say the Guardians soundtrack definitely did.
That's a good point.
The way that he used to tell a story and now it was always a component of things or even
a cheap way.
Reservoir dogs with the ear cutting scene.
Right.
A classic.
Oh, Steelers Wheel, dude.
Steelers Wheel, yeah.
Like I already knew that song just because I listened to Classic Rock, but that turned

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on so many people in the 90s to a 70s song.
And then of course, Goodbye Horses with Q Lazarus from Silence of the Lambs.
Oh, yeah.
Wasn't that like their one hit?
Yeah.
That was like their one hit.
Then they like stopped doing music, which sucks.
I think they stopped doing music after Silence of the Lambs.
I'm not sure.
No, it's one of those like where they go and nobody knows.
Yeah.
No, I think you're right.
There's definitely like movies and shows that have revitalized certain songs over the years.

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However, there are certain ones that in this day and age are going viral beyond.
Yeah.
Yes.
Absolutely.
It's something to be said, what you said about Tarantino resurrecting a bunch of 70s tracks
in his soundtracks for his movies.
But now the fact that I can...

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All right.
A little bit of backstory.
Ten seconds of backstory.
My work team...
Count one Mississippi.
My work team put together like a thing where we were going to all add something to like
a Spotify playlist.
And I had no idea what to do.
So I just threw like, oh, well, I'll do the fucking cramp song from The Thing That's Hot

(34:42):
Right Now.
But the reason being is that it's hot right now.
And there's no reason for a 40 year old cramp song, which was actually a cover, to be hot
right now if it wasn't for viral sensation of that dance sequence from the show.
So I love the fact that music can come and be so effective decades and decades later.

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Like Kate Bush with Running Up That Hill getting popular, she's like, I'm making a million dollars
a week during the time that it was popular.
And she deserves it.
And I can name three covers that have come out since then from like, there's two metal
bands that have done covers and then there was another like of Running Up That Hill.
There was already a couple of old covers that then also got popular.

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Like there's a placebo cover of Running Up That Hill that's really good.
That got popular from being on the OC.
Yeah, no, but I was going to say that was a newer metal band, I think Attila or someone
doing A, maybe after The Burial.
They did a cover of it that dropped like a month after season four aired and then I didn't
realize it, but the band that I've raved about for years, Affiance, changed their name.

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They put a couple songs out as Affiance, but they changed their name and now they're doing
more of like a metal, weird metal retro wave mix sound and they're called Knight Rider.
Of course they are.
It's awesome.
And they do a cover of Running Up That Hill.
So it's like metal, but it still has all the synth in it.
We might have to listen to that on the break.
It's really good.
It's really, but like.
I'm very interested.

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As long as it doesn't have that like shitty douche bro dude voice in like metal core.
No, no, no, no, no.
Like the, he sounds like just a dude from Trapped.
I had to convince him to listen to Affiance.
It's going to be Mr. Feeny.
He thought it was going to be, Smash thought it was going to be that way back in like 2011,
2012.
And then we sat outside of Wawa and listened to it one day and he's like, oh no, this is
really good.
He can actually sing.

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Okay.
I played you with Affiance before.
You just don't remember.
I remember that.
No, I'm talking about.
I think.
We sat outside of Wawa a lot.
Yeah, we did with Turkey Bowls and after, and this was like three in the morning after
drinking at the bar.
After we close it.
Turkey Bowls and Tears.
Turkey Bowls and Tears.
TNT.
TBT.
In the parking lot of Wawa.

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But like I was going to say though, we, it's weird for me sometimes.
I mean, it's just, it's just the way it's gone as we've gotten older, but I'm used to
seeing the music that I love in films, but it's because we always watch films that are
under the radar that are not in the, you know, the, the, the no, they're not what's hitting

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pop culture because I mean, I knew Googling Well from Texas Chainsaw 2 originally when
I was a kid.
And then I heard it again when someone played me a cramp CD.
I'm like, oh, I know that song.
It's from Texas Chainsaw 2.
Same thing with Surfing Dead from Eternal Limits.
I knew these songs.
It's all connected with The Matrix.
From things that I watched in films because we don't watch, they never, they would have
never made a big film when we were younger.
Well, and I know for me at least, and that's what I can only speak to is that I'm still

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under this weird thought process at first and I have to correct myself of like, this
is all underground stuff.
Nobody's ever heard of.
Like no one's ever heard of the Misfits.
Yeah.
No one's ever heard of the cramps.
No one's ever heard of George Romero.
Like these are all secrets that nobody knows.
I don't want to lose that though, cause there's something about that.
And then you see like, you know, Miley Cyrus wearing a Misfits t-shirt or something.

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You're like, how does she know?
And it's like, it's not a secret, bro.
Like it's, it's, it's, it's
a very well known band.
It's just, we grew up in a time where there wasn't the internet.
There wasn't this like access to information.
It was all word of mouth.
So that means that we also didn't know how many other people also felt like they had
found something with these underground or independent artists.
And there's a ton of people.

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The big thing is that I, I'd never want to lose that.
But also with that, you got to be honest with yourself that you clearly know you're not
the only one, but there is a certain excitement that comes to realizing that this isn't like
still the mainstream populace thing.
Like the whole world doesn't listen to it.
There is, but there is a lot more people listen to it than you think.
Everybody, every Misfits tissue box covers and shit now.

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Like they're not, I don't think that, but I mean, virtually everything has a Misfits
go on it.
This went wrong.
Yeah.
I don't mean Misfits.
I was just, that was just an example.
I mean, anything that we, like George Romero, like, yeah, tons of people know who George
Romero is, but it's still a certain amount of person.
There's still a certain type of person that actually loves the content.
Everyone wants to feel like they're in on a secret that other people aren't because

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it makes you feel special.
And that's, that's the connection that comes from when you're into something and you fall
in that, that not a lot of people know.
It's like you, like you, it's your own little secret and it's between you and this.
And then, you know, everybody gets popular and it's like, well, it loses its thread.
I do.
We'll say, I've had a question this time as we've all gotten older and we've done this
over several years, as you've gotten older, do you find that, especially with the things

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that you, the movies that we've grown up with in love, do you still find the same enjoyment
when you watch it now versus maybe 10 years ago, eight years ago, like, okay, well, I
want to see you go specials, but that's, that's stupid.
That's yes.
Yes.
Okay.
I think Willow Willow is a perfect example.
I think Willow is still one of those things that I still have a lot of appreciation for.

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And there's a lot of nostalgia attached now that I wouldn't say that's the case for everything.
There's some stuff that just, it's not as much fun to watch anymore.
And here's the difference is that I feel space camp, space camp.
She wasn't, was it, was it Sigourney Weaver was that or who was in that flight of the
navigator that was a Kate cap shot?
No, it was, it was, what's her, it was Marty McFly's mom.

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Leah Tomlin, Leah Thompson.
There's stuff I was obsessed with as a kid that I've watched as an adult that is like
fuck awful.
Like, like a thundercats is bad.
Okay.
No, I'm pretty sure he's talking like blockbuster level.
I'm talking about the, yeah, the things that you, you've always considered growing up
with that helped shape you, you know, like part of your personality that you go back

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to and you rewatch it now with purses eight years ago, where I was, may have been more
enthusiastic when I'm watching it more like a big kid.
And now when I watch it, I'm either, it could be a deeper thinker about it or I'm, I'm,
I'm putting it on.
The moderation of the content is different.
I'm putting it on in the background while I'm doing something else.
You know, like where are you now with those?
It depends on what, I think honestly it depends on what it is.

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Like honestly.
Okay.
Give me,
I mean, growing up, growing up since your adolescence, what was your comfort movie?
What was the one movie you could go to regardless of all the other movies that you loved?
It's funny.
There's three and one's going to sound completely fucking weird, but, uh, Bridges of Madison
County.
We talked about this.
I was, I was in middle school in that kid.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
That's about the time I'm actually jumping Jack Flash.

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No, I'm talking about movies that formed us.
The movies that kind of formed me or the movies that are comfort films, the ones I watched
in like when I was five, six, seven, like eight, like, all right.
So one that I can still watch today and just knowing how fucking ridiculous it is, but
I don't care.
Maybe you see the original TV's means the turtles.
Yeah.
100%

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The original, the original, the very first one, 1991, 1990, I can still, I can, I can
say right now, I can still watch that and feel like a kid, dude, no shit.
Like it was just gritty.
We can, we'll go into that.
To being, um, who frame Roger Rabbit?
Weirdly enough.
I love that fucking movie that holds the fuck up.

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Dude, it does.
It holds the fuck up.
And this, this is really weird.
I said, this is the one you guys are going to think is fucking weird, but I, for some
reason I've always loved and it's still, I can, I just rewatch it like probably two
months ago.
I needed some comfort at the end of last year.
Um, uh, it was Footloose.
Wow.
Okay.
I fucking loved Footloose.
No, it's a legit good movie.
It is a great, it's a, it's a good movie.

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I loved, I had the soundtrack on cassette when I was a kid.
I loved fucking Footloose.
No, I remember Kenny Loggins was a thing.
Yeah, he was.
He was like a force.
I was like, damn.
But no, it's like the dancing and Kevin Bacon was just a badass and like go to the rogue
town and like the fight against like, I mean, the whole thing, like I remember as a kid,
like why are they burning books?
Like there was so much in that film and like, there are, there are concepts in that film

(42:49):
that are still strong today.
Go back and rewatch Footloose and we are still fighting the same bullshit today.
Well, they made a remake and did well because it translated easily.
No, it's the exact same thing.
It's the exact same thing.
No, it's trash.
No, dude, it's the exact same.
Oh, I don't know.
I didn't watch it.
It's the exact same movie, even down to the dance numbers to the songs, like the same

(43:10):
songs.
Wait, hold on a second.
The remake I thought did well.
That didn't do well?
It might've done well, but it was.
It was fucking, there was no point in watching it.
I'm not speaking on its credibility because I didn't watch it.
There was no point.
There was no point.
It made a monocle of money off of the title alone.
The tweens and the teens.
I thought it would do that because it translated to them better than.

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It's probably parents bringing their children and being like, oh yeah, I loved this movie
as a kid.
Maybe you'll like this version of it.
And then it just, it probably dropped off after the second weekend.
But if you're asking like, like those movies for some reason will always be a comfort movie,
but there are other ones as to like Tim Burton's Batman and fucking Back to the Future.
The first one out of all of them.

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First one's a comfort for everyone else.
I love all three.
I'm just saying the first one specifically.
So yeah, I've gone back and rewatched these films a lot and there's so many films that
do hold up.
Now the ones I feel like I scrolled through that I used to watch a lot and I'm just like,
I've seen it so much that I know it verbatim and I'm like, eh, and I'll find something

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else.
Those are the ones that are probably, you know what I mean?
Like I don't need to rewatch it to know that I'm not going to enjoy it as much.
You know what I mean?
There's something you need to break from, like something that I've been thinking about
needing to watch again soon that I haven't watched in probably like five or six years,
if not more is Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
Yeah.
I loved, I was obsessed with that movie when I was a kid.
But you watch it the 30th time around watching it and you're like, oh, all right.

(44:35):
Yeah.
All right.
Settle down.
Right.
It gets annoying.
It gets a bit much.
So it's been a while and now I'm like, I would really genuinely enjoy a watch of Pee Wee.
Like I needed that break.
Yeah, that's the thing.
You need that break.
Yeah, that could help too.
But there are also movies that don't have that.
Still better than Big Top.
Oh, Big Top.
Oh, yeah.
It's fucking terrible.
But like, yeah, well, the Star Wars trilogy, the original trilogy is that for me where

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that's comfort food.
Yeah.
The Muppets.
Oh, the Muppets.
Which one specifically?
The original?
The Muppets Take Manhattan.
No, the yeah, Take Manhattan is the one.
Yeah.
Where you got the fucking rats with skating on butter on the fucking grill.
And also Muppet Christmas Carol Hounds Down is the greatest Christmas movie of all time.
It's amazing.
It's fucking incredible.
I mean, that's Muppets, but also Michael Caine.

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I mean, let's come on.
So Amy had seen the Muppet Christmas Carol, but when she was a little kid and she had
never really revisited the Muppets enough to really appreciate to the level of whimsy
and joy that I do with the Muppets until we started dating and then we started watching
the Muppets and she saw the new Muppet one, the Jason Segal one.
That one's awesome.
Incredible.

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And she was like, I get it now.
Like, I get why you're so obsessed.
And we watched Muppet Christmas Carol and she had never caught the line No Cheeses for
us Mises before.
And she was like, greatest thing I've ever heard.
And she's like, she just says No Cheeses for us Mises all the time now.
But it's adorable.
It's adorable as shit.
Correct plural for it.
Yeah.
No Cheeses for us Mises.
Yeah, the Muppets, that's another one.

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I can watch any of like the first four.
So being the original Christmas Carol takes Manhattan and there's one other one.
Muppet Caper.
The Muppet Caper.
Yeah, Muppet Caper.
And then the new one.
The one with Jason Segal and Amy Adams is fucking amazing.
Muppets from Space is okay.
I like that alright.
Yeah, those are.
Treasure Island is meh.
Yeah, I did not like that one.
And the one with Ricky Gervais I did not like.
No.
I didn't see it.
I haven't watched the Muppet in a while.

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All the magic that they recaptured with the Jason Segal version was just gone in the.
Because look at the cast and you got Jason Segal who can do whimsy and then you got Ricky
Gervais who can't do whimsy.
And they were trying to do like a modern take on Muppet Caper and like no, just have your
own story.
Like they did the like, let's get the band back together kind of thing for the Muppets,
but it worked and it was kind of its own take.

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Yeah.
And it's like maniacal laugh.
Maniacal laugh.
Except the rap part.
That didn't work at all.
I was a little too old by the time they started making Muppet movies to be watching those.
But I will say.
If you go back in 1978 when the Muppet movie came out, you had to get it out of it.
The original one came out in 1978.
No, the original movie came out in 1978.

(46:59):
What movie you're talking about?
The Muppet movie.
Yes, the very first one.
1978.
Yeah.
I remember the show.
All right.
Yeah.
I don't remember all these movies, but like the fucking show with like all the people
that I knew.
All the guest host stars and stuff.
Oh yeah.
All my youth.
Like fucking Luke Skywalker, Mark Hamill, Johnny Cash.

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Vincent Price.
Vincent Price, Alice Cooper.
Everybody was on that fucking show.
It was like Sesame Street, but at night.
No, it wasn't like Sesame Street.
No, I meant with the guests.
It was awesome.
I meant with the guest stars.
Oh yeah, yeah.
You know what I meant.
Yeah.
But yeah.
No, it was amazing.
It was like the kids version of late night with David Letterman.
Yeah.

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Well, and also it was, it was meta before meta was a thing where it's like the Muppets
are putting on a performance as the Muppets.
Yes.
But you're seeing the backstage stuff of them getting ready to do the show that isn't actually
the show.
The show is the backstage of the show.
Meta was so good.
Meta was only always a thing.
It just got a label.
It got a label.
But the Muppets were doing that fourth wall break shit constantly.
It was awesome.

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Like.
Exactly.
And you saw the behind the scenes, but that was the actual show and oh God.
So good.
Absolutely.
So good.
Jim Hansome, we love you.
Yes.
For, I'd say for me, like I won't go through like top three, but definitely the top.
I'll believe monster squad.
I have it because we all know that one.
Yeah.
It was the, it's the original and you're not going to be surprised by this, but the original

(48:24):
Christopher Reeve Superman.
Oh, I get that.
No, I get that was my comfort movie because it's the one movie that is the first superhero
anything I can really remember.
And I watched it with my mom and that was always like our movie.
She loved Christopher Reeve and not just because of the Superman thing, because he'd done,
he had done several other movies that he loved or that she loved.

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So she forced me to watch it when I was younger and it just, and after that was a comfort.
It was a comfort thing.
Whenever there was like really bad shit going down, I could put that on and for that, you
know, hour or two hours, I felt a little bit better and it completely took me out of the
world.
So even now I can watch that movie.
I actually probably cry more now when I watch it than I did before, but it was still, it's

(49:10):
still a, that's my comfort.
And then Howard the duck, it's ridiculous.
No, but that movie is so, I love it.
It's such a comfort.
It's such a comfort food.
It's like, it's like the first Marvel movie.
Yeah, that's true.
And, and you know, there, I have many others, but I say I'll throw a third one in there.
Independence day.
I, I absolutely adore that.

(49:32):
Or the world's ripoff and it is, it's a war of the world's complete comedians.
They got for that film.
It's just, the film just, I watch it now.
Like every, I watch it all the time and I'm like, I still love this movie.
I love everything.
I actually holds up.
It holds up really well.
Cause it's mostly practical models anyways.
Yeah.
And just like the hyper nationalistic, like today's our independence day.

(49:55):
Like shit.
We're like, go America, go leaders of the world saving the world.
No, you cannot, you cannot deny how great that speech is.
That's like the best thing Bill Pullman's ever done.
That's the thing being like anti-nationalistic, like propaganda movies and stuff.
I'm like, yeah, you tell them what did he have before?
What did he have before that?
Wiley into the night.
Yeah.
Basically what's that?

(50:15):
What do you have before that?
Newsies.
What's that other, what's that other movie?
What are you talking about?
Bill Pullman?
I was joking.
I know he did.
But no, what was that other movie that has that other famous speech from like the seventies
where it's like, um, I'm mad as hell.
Oh, network.
Network.
It's like Bill Pullman's network speech.
Yep.
That's what that was.

(50:36):
Have you not heard that speech Kyle?
You're looking at me funny.
No, no.
So I'm moving the mic.
Man, I've heard that speech.
I've been networking forever.
It's really good.
Network's legit one of the best movies ever.
Oh my God.
But still nothing's better than Lone Star.
Let's just be real.
Oh, for Bill Pullman?
Yeah.
Bill Pullman, Lone Star.
Yeah.
I mean.
That's another thing we never got to.

(50:56):
We never got to a Mel Brooks episode.
Oh my God.
And he's still alive.
He's like 99 or some shit.
We talked about it multiple times and like that would have been fresh with the history
of the world coming out on Hulu part two.
Yeah.
They just dropped the trailer today.
Well, when that comes out.
Get the fuck out.
They did?
Yeah, the trailer.
Well, when that comes out.
My Schwartz is bigger than yours.
And you guys are going to get some back behind the scenes stuff.

(51:20):
When that drops, why not do that and then do a Mel Brooks episode and just release two?
Just like a two parter thing maybe?
Yeah, just do that.
We could possibly.
The history of Mel part one, part two.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm just saying like.
History of the Malibu.
It doesn't have to be a free play when we get back together.
It could be for a specific thing that we never, we're like, oh fuck, we never touched on that.
We should fucking do it.

(51:40):
Like, you know.
Young Frank and Scott.
I couldn't.
If we're trying to tear down the main episodes, it could just be a big old fucking Mel Brooks
love fest.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
What's he saying?
It doesn't have to be one and the other.
Just everything about it.
I mean, if we go too long, we have to make it two parts for releasing purposes.
What I'm saying.
Speaking of going too long, we can discuss this on the break, which we are well past

(52:01):
getting to.
So we're going to take a brief break.
When we come back, we will go over what we're drinking and get back into whatever the fuck
we feel like.
Oh, that's right.
Stick around.
We'll be right back.
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Oh my god, it's going to be a fucking, we're going back to old school days over here.
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Ha ha, fuck you, Jeff Bezos, you don't control me.
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That was like a no-brainer.
Yeah, definitely.
When we talked about it, I was like, all I gotta do is change the word.
Yep.
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(57:12):
the velvet throat here to send us into the next segment here.
What have you had in your mouth?
We do have, well, we need an intro song before we get into-
Yeah, we got to do the intro first.
I know, I just wanted to be-
No, we're not skipping that part.
So dirty.
No, you got to do it.
All right, let's do it.
Let's do it.
You do the intro and then we'll say the dirty thing.

(57:34):
Fair enough, fair enough.
There we go.
Oh, am I singing it without music?
No music.
Oh, we're doing it old school.
Yeah, the way you-
Every time I've been on here-
The cappella, bitch.
No, the original-
Every time I've been on here since, we've had music.
Okay, all right.
Yeah.
All right, you ready?
Ready.
Hey, we're fucking drinking.

(57:54):
We're getting drunk.
You want to know?
Well, here you go.
Hey, we're drinking.
We're drinking.
Yeah.
Way to go, Smash.
Thank you so much for that on the spot rendition.
That was all the lyrics.
It was.
Yeah, you nailed it.
Speaking of nailing it, this delicious beverage I've come to really appreciate.

(58:16):
Thank you.
What's in my mouth right now is Smash.
Smash.
That's in your mouth.
Oh, it's just swishing around.
The orange Smash.
It's about to go down your throat hole.
I had some sort of, I bought a four pack of theirs a couple of weeks ago after you turned
on to it at the GY holiday brunch and there was a it's like a almost like a Sex on the
Beach flavor.
Yeah, they have that.

(58:36):
That shit is a good.
I haven't had it.
It's like cranberry and orange and like another fruit and it's fucking delicious.
Yeah, I recommend that one.
Sounds so islandy.
Well, I mean, yeah, Sex on the Beach.
I know that's where I was going with that.
Yeah.
What we are talking about is if you want to.

(58:56):
It's the Devil's Backbone, the Devil's Backbone.
I know it's not their actual, but they are.
I didn't know.
I didn't even pay attention.
That was them.
Yeah, it's Devil's Backbone and they are.
I mean, that's probably one of my favorite, you know, it's the best brewery to go out
there as far as experience when you go out to Nelson County.
I pretty much love most most of the things that they make.
This is their Smash drink.

(59:17):
It's a ready to drink.
You know, I think vodka infused with orange juice.
Is it their vodka?
Do they have a distillery there now?
I'm probably.
I would imagine they probably do that.
I couldn't tell you for sure, but we'll Google that shit later.
But it's 7.5 percent.
So it's I mean, it's not a joke and you get you get four in a pack, but it does the trick,

(59:39):
man.
Yeah, I do.
I drank these.
We went out.
We went to like the mountains and I pretty much drank those the entire time between that
and the grape.
I felt good, but I was never like hammered, never fallen over myself.
It's a lot of sugar, though.
That's the only thing for me.
If you want to drink this, you got to eat protein.
You know, if you don't have meat, eat some fucking always carry peanuts with you.

(01:00:03):
You know, the fats with that help to the fat.
So the protein soaks up the sugar.
Just better.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
Good stuff.
And we got a few more here.
These are these are the heavy hitters.
These are the this is we actually have it.
We have a cast raters.
We have two cast raters.
We haven't had a cast rate on a minute.
Does this count though?
Because it's not a beer, but it's definitely a cast raider.

(01:00:25):
Those are pretty much all going to be cast raiders.
So I don't know if that really counts.
I mean, I wanted to say it one more time, damn it.
I will say that castration I would call the liquor cast raiders more of like the hundred
proof plus.
So this is this is just a dick.
This is higher than standard.
This is 90.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, 90 is nine is the standard.

(01:00:45):
That's a bourbon standard.
Yes, a bourbon standard.
They do have a cash strength ocean voyage that I've had.
That's really good.
Oh, yeah.
This is ocean cash.
It's fucking awesome.
The voyage 28 of Jefferson's ocean aged at sea.
It's a very small batch.
Oh, maybe.
And Jefferson takes its bourbon, puts it in barrels and puts it on ships and it just tours

(01:01:06):
the world.
And so I meant you finished them.
So as it's going, it's just naturally rocking back and forth, naturally mixing the changes
in in temperatures and atmosphere are constantly getting the barrels to expand and contract.
So it's just like really just massaging these barrels as it goes around the world and just

(01:01:26):
naturally.
It's like a womb for alcohol.
It's a womb for liquor.
Yeah.
I was going to I didn't know if you were going to go that far in because if you weren't,
I was like, hold on motherfucker.
But it's more than just that's why you got to that.
That's all I meant.
I was like, no, finish what you were going to say.
If you're not saying that, I got I got some follow up because that the theory behind this
is fucking amazing.
Yeah, it's it's awesome.

(01:01:48):
It's one of the greatest concepts and evolutions of bourbon.
Well, it's great.
There's been a few damn it's good.
There's been a few different liquors that have done that.
Like and there's one that I would say is an asshole is an asshole of liquor, which is
a Norwegian thing called Akavit, which is all about like it travels and ages, you know,

(01:02:16):
going past time zones and over the equator and all that shit.
That's the worst thing you've ever drank.
I mean, it's you got to start off with good booze to get maybe not.
What is it?
It's not as bad as Malort, but it's almost there.
Oh, so it's like Malort's fucking trash.
No, it's oh my God.
It's like Norway.
They eat they like fucking jellied like shark and shit.

(01:02:37):
So like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jelly like, you know, fish heads and shit.
And also a lot of those countries back like the Nordic countries didn't allow for boo.
If I remember correctly, they didn't allow for beer to be made until like 1995.
They were like outlawed.
So they had a lot of liquor.
But up in that area, it was a lot of sweet liquors.
They had like rumple menses and shit that they would drink up there.
They would do that pretty regularly.

(01:02:59):
Oh, also make this like awful shit that like tastes like paint thinner, you know, like
so fuck that.
But ocean is delicious.
And it's and it's I have to say it's kind of like similar to what they've been doing
with scotch for many centuries.
Like one of the more modern incarnations of it is Johnny Walker's Swing, which is one

(01:03:25):
of their releases that a better that they that they they put together.
They blend a scotch and they put together and they throw it on a ship.
Johnny Walker blends.
Holy shit.
Sorry.
Yeah, it's a joke.
But Johnny Walker's Swing is it's about it.
It's less expensive than blue because blue is super expensive and bullshit for blended

(01:03:49):
fucking never mind.
Oh yeah, I got feelings about I got feelings about that.
But this is the one that actually fucking travels.
But what's nice about it is that the actual bottle has a round bottom.
So for you to caress.
So you can actually as you drink it will if you sit on a table on a ship, it will rock
back and forth, but not fall.

(01:04:11):
Nice.
Cool.
That's a physics.
Yeah, I would thoroughly suggest this is not a cheap bottle.
Jefferson's Ocean Age to see it's in the like kind of 80, 90 dollar range, depending
on where you are in the world.
On sale.
It's like seventy five.
Yeah, at least in Virginia.
I figured for the last hurrah regular release, we needed a really nice bottle of bourbon
and man, this does it's really good.

(01:04:32):
It's smooth.
I will sweet like caramelization.
Yeah, that's that.
Yeah, that's sweetness.
I will I will make a note that this bottle is Voyage 28.
Now any voyage that you get is going to taste different.
There's going to be different nuances to it because depending on where it traveled, it's
going to change the complexities of the bourbon.

(01:04:53):
And what's cool is it comes with a little pamphlet that explains what the voyage was
like for this bourbon.
It talks about that minutes run to Anchorage in Auckland crossing the international dateline
and advancing the calendar one day.
Let's see.
The seas were very rough from Auckland through Brisbane and through Australia to Fremantle.

(01:05:14):
Heat and humidity was replaced with sea spray and cold air.
So it explains like where the seas were rough, where it was unnaturally hot, where it was
naturally cold.
So explains kind of the temperature changes that it goes through.
So you this is a story in a bottle.
Exactly.
And I was going to say like all that makes a difference depending on what voyage you
like.
I remember the first Jefferson Oceans I picked up.

(01:05:34):
God, it was right when they first started.
It was like Voyage 6 or Voyage 5 that I picked up.
And now they're at 28.
But that just shows you and like, do they have a fantastic voyage?
Stop.
You were drinking that.
Come along and ride on a fantastic slide, slide, slide.

(01:05:55):
You were drinking that before.
It's cool, bro.
No, I just mean that like every voyage is going to have a different presence and that
is really cool.
In your mouth.
And if you read the story of where it went and say you buy a bottle, you fucking love
it.
You read the story, you see where it's been and then you go by to get another bottle.

(01:06:17):
And if you see like it's been through like half the places, you're like, well, let me
try this and see if those are the places that I really love.
And like you can kind of like curate which ones.
It's kind of what I love about wine is that wine has always been a representation of the
area that it comes from.
And unless you're doing a weird blend from all over the place or something, but having
a bourbon that can tell a story like that as well is very cool.

(01:06:39):
So how expensive are the bottles that were hijacked by Somali parents?
They're probably cheaper because it's all proper for them.
It's all black.
It's all black.
I mean, actually, you go to Somali.
You'll be like, we got bourbon, three dollars a bottle.
You're like, great.
I mean, they're probably doing it for like 30, but like still, it's all profit.

(01:07:01):
Three dollars is American?
Oh, right.
Black market sale, baby.
It's all profit for them.
So the dark, the dark.
So Groots, you got some some tasty beverage for us as well.
Yes, indeed.
What are we sipping on?
Are you ready for it?
I mean, we got different glasses, so I don't have to clean the palate here.
No, no, I did prepare that.
But like, I didn't know if you were ready.
Yeah, yeah, let's get it going.
I'm so excited to try this.

(01:07:22):
What is this?
I'm not super familiar with.
I've never had this before and I'm really excited as a bourbon fan.
So this is something I was turned on to by a connoisseur, old friend.
He's a former co-host, former co-host, the velvet hammer, the crumpy crump crumpler.
This is a it's a straight up like Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey by Calamay Farm.

(01:07:49):
Now this is a recent release.
They released some eight year old 90 proof bourbon.
It's fucking fantastic.
It's been flying off the shelves.
It's it's not too expensive.
It's about 51 bucks a bottle, but it's a goddamn tasty burp.

(01:08:11):
I'm about to take a little.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
I know not to hijack, but let's I do want to do a little quick toast.
Oh, yeah.
This is this is this is to all the lost.
All the found and everything in between.
Cheers, motherfucker.
Skull Skull.
Beautiful.
OK, I didn't say that was bad.

(01:08:32):
Oh, no, that's other liquor.
OK, oh, that's smooth.
That is smooth.
That is.
There's a light touch on that.
Yeah.
Thanks for the.
Up front, I'm getting a little bit more on the on the finish.
But yeah, the right up front.
That's a that's smooth.
Well, that is super smooth.
For bourbon, eight years is a pretty decent amount of age.
That's why I love Jim Beam Black Label, because it's eight years.

(01:08:54):
It's the same thing.
And this is this is smooth as shit.
But like, yeah, it's got some depth to it.
I really like it.
Yeah.
So you didn't say the name Calumay Farms.
Now I do want to do something when I saw the bottle earlier.
Everyone's going to love this.
Calumay Calumay.
Calumay.
Yes.
I just saw that.
I was like, oh, I thought you were going to say the name of the kid from Dune.

(01:09:20):
No, no.
Shall we make no shallow shallow may know?
No, no.
The fucking because there's a side note into Temple of Doom finally has gotten its proper
place over the last eight years after Crystal Skull came out.
But no, no, Temple of Doom is not so bad, guys.
It's not so bad anymore.

(01:09:41):
What are you talking about?
You're talking about the world.
The world.
And that's the second best Indiana Jones.
I'm not talking about us.
OK, first off, you're totally wrong.
I will get to that.
Totally wrong in the world as a whole, not our bubble in the world as a whole.
Temple of Doom has not been a loved Indiana Jones film.
Yes, they're wrong.

(01:10:01):
Not as love.
Not not as love.
Yes.
Fair enough.
All the movies are loved.
Thanks to Crystal Skull.
Crystal Skull came out and they're like, wait, wait, Temple of Doom.
It's not that bad.
It's pretty good.
It's pretty good.
But out of the only three and there are only three Indiana Jones movies that Temple of
Doom is my doom.
Temple of Doom would be amazing.
Temple of Doom.
Temple of Doom.
That is a great t-shirt design.

(01:10:24):
There are over 30 or almost 30 temples on Planet Doom.
Indiana Jones movies because the young Indiana Jones.
Oh, sure.
River Phoenix.
It's fucking River Phoenix, man.
Well, there was Indiana Jones and there was Indiana Jones, The War Years.
There were kind of two different series.
All of them were great.

(01:10:45):
I'll tell you, I'll take a quick census.
Best Indiana Jones film.
Oh, Raiders.
Raiders.
Raiders is my second favorite.
Last Crusade is my favorite.
Last Crusade is a better structured film than Raiders.
Yeah, it is.
And is a better film.
It flows better.
The story is more solid.

(01:11:07):
I love, I'm not talking, believe me.
I love Raiders of the Lost Ark.
I love Indiana Jones.
But if you were to compare that between Last Crusade, Last Crusade is a far superior film.
What I love is that Temple of Doom, even though Temple of Doom is my third favorite
Indiana Jones movie, is the only Indiana Jones movie where him being involved at all has

(01:11:29):
an effect on anything.
The third one?
The second one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The third one, everything would have still happened the way that it happened.
They would have lost the goblet.
They would have lost the cup and they couldn't take it from the temple.
Actually, that's not, that's not how, unlike the first film, that's the big bang.
I know what you're talking about where he loses that.

(01:11:50):
Unlike that in the Last Crusade, it was only because of his father and what he kept finding
that led the Nazis to it anyways.
The Grail.
If it wasn't for him, they would have never found it themselves.
Or if they did, it would have been long farther in the future.
What you're saying is them not being involved in the first place would have been better.

(01:12:11):
Having Nazis not involved in anything is better.
I think part of the reason why I kind of love the Avengers movies is because they make things
worse.
If they had just not been superheroes, things would have turned out better.
But you know what?
They always avenge themselves.
They don't revenge.
They don't prevenge.
They avenge.
A side note to a previous, and this is just a previous question that Smash asked before

(01:12:32):
the break.
I wanted everyone to get a chance to talk about their own comfort films, but there are
Marvel films that have become comfort films for me.
Absolutely.
Especially the Captain America trilogy alone.
Not even going into Thor Ragnarok or the Avengers films.
Winter Soldier.
Winter Soldier and Civil War.
Those two fucking movies, dude.

(01:12:52):
I could watch Winter Soldier three times in a row.
If it was on repeat for nine hours, I'd be fine.
I would be fucking fine.
I don't know if the three of you experienced this as well, but there's sometimes when I've
had a really hard week or something, not maybe dramatically bad, but you're just kind of
in a funk a little bit, feeling just kind of out of sorts.

(01:13:12):
You want to watch something really dramatic or really dark or something unsettling to
kind of feel centered by it.
There's times that I felt that way.
I was in a really dark place and I watched that movie Spotlight and I'm like, this is
exactly what I want to watch right now.
Spotlight?
I was watching them finding out information about the Catholic Church molesting kids,

(01:13:33):
like the priests molesting kids and the paper found out about it.
Did you just want to see some darkness being taken out of the world or a light shined on
the darkness?
I think it's that when you're feeling kind of a bad place, having something that can
meet you where you are, but also distract you.
It's not trying to uplift you because that feels fake.

(01:13:54):
It's meeting you right where you're at, which is in a bad spot, but it's also not about
you.
It's about something entirely different.
You get to put on that comfortable blanket of depression with this movie that's really
depressing and just kind of settle in and kind of embrace it.
I totally understand and empathize with that, been there, done that, but-

(01:14:16):
That's endgame.
Yeah, so recently-
I was going to say endgame is a model for me.
Recently, going into Marvel, again, last year, especially around the holiday season was fucking
rough.
I was looking through, I was like, I want to watch a Marvel movie.
I was looking through and all my favorite ones just weren't hitting that note.
I'd scrolled over and endgame came up and I'm like, you know what?

(01:14:37):
You know what?
Fucking endgame.
I'm going to fuck myself up today.
Exactly.
Then I watched endgame and yeah, but even with the example you gave, it lets you comfortably
get into that blanket and experience that and it has nothing to do with you, but it's
the same level of just darkness.
Even in that, the fact that there was a light shown in a documentary out about that subject

(01:14:59):
means now that it's out and that is a positive and that is hope.
Endgame still had that at the end.
I need that at the end too because it makes me realize, yeah, I was comfortable in that
for, speaking of endgame, two hours and 50 minutes and then the last 20, I was like,
ah.

(01:15:20):
A fucking, yeah.
Yeah, I was brought back up and kind of out and I felt good at the end of it.
I don't want to get film school on anybody, but I absolutely, 100% appreciate when any
fucking film, it could be genre film, it could be whatever, can evoke such an emotional response

(01:15:44):
that you are moved.
You might be crying, you might be laughing.
When something can do that.
That's cinema.
That's beautiful.
That's why I love cinema.
It does happen in a lot of the genre movies that we watch.
We're talking about-
That is why I hated the Fabelmans because it didn't do that shit to me at all.

(01:16:07):
You were just dead to it?
It was boring and I didn't like most of the characters and I probably will be burned at
the stake for that because of Spielberg and I understand I get it, but I was very underwhelmed
by the movie.
But there are those that do and that's why-
Also, it felt a little pretentious too, which I was not expecting.

(01:16:30):
I haven't watched it so I don't have any kind of opinion on it.
But when it does move you, that's what's important.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's what makes for memorable cinema and-
Even if it makes you angry.
That's building the nostalgia that will be the thing that you look back on 20 years from
now.

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Because it touched you, it moved you.
Yeah.
And so it's naturally going to- Nostalgia is based off the senses.
So it's totally going to build off that.
Yeah.
I know this is weird, but that's what I do.
For me, with Honors, with Brendan Fraser-
Oh yeah.
We've talked about this.
That movie evoked something in me that I cry every time I watch that fucking movie.

(01:17:13):
Funny movie where it's like, look out, he's a Jew.
You're never going to have a laugh riot with those movies.
So I had a fairly dark childhood.
And so growing up, my mom, I remember when that movie came out or that we were able to
watch it at home, she always forced me to watch things where we're hopeful because I

(01:17:35):
was always not in such a good place as a kid.
And she's always forced me to watch that.
So that is like, with Honors, when I see a movie like that, it's the simple act of being
decent because it's okay to be decent because they're a human being.
It's the simplicity of that that always hits me hard, which is why I love it.

(01:17:59):
And it's actually, I almost went today and I didn't get a chance to go.
And I know that you've seen it, Groots is the whale.
I'm dying to see it.
I'm absolutely-
I'm going to go see that.
He went without me, even though we talked about going to see it.
Fuck you, Groots.
Yeah, you deserve that.
I think I'm going to take my daughter, I think I'm going to take Lorelai tomorrow because

(01:18:21):
she loves Sadie Sink.
Oh, Sadie Sink, okay.
And she does love, I mean, I've raised her on movies that I love, like The Mummy.
I absolutely adore the fucking, pretty much most things Brendan Fraser has done, Gods
and Monsters, I love what he has done.
So he was always one of my favorite actors.

(01:18:42):
Well, you know what, if it wasn't for him-
Class from the past.
Yeah.
And you know what, that's a cheesy crap, but I watch it and it makes you feel good.
We rewatched Class from the Past recently and that's actually a fun movie.
Because it makes you, because it's simple.
It makes you feel good.
How old is your daughter?
Eleven.
Okay.
No, it's actually a perfect movie to share with her.

(01:19:02):
Which one, With Honors?
No, The Whale.
Oh, The Whale?
Oh yeah.
The Whale is a beautiful movie about depression and loss, but also the good things about humanity.
Yeah.
Like it-
But nowadays we need reminders of that.

(01:19:24):
We do, we do.
Dude.
It's a fucking amazing movie, but it's not inappropriate for her, is what I'm saying.
Well, you know, she watches enough stuff behind my back.
At this point, I'm not even worried about-
She's that age, dude, it's gonna happen.
It's gonna happen, brother.
She goes with her friends, she's like, I watched, you know, Black Phone.
It's her favorite movie.
I'm like, okay.

(01:19:45):
When she's at the age where you gotta like-
The movie's so fucking dark.
Even if you know that she did it, you gotta kinda let a couple of those things go.
I was like, Black Phone is very fucking dark.
It's a very dark film.
She's like, Daddy, I watched the first season of Titans, I'm like, what?
It's about someone her age being kidnapped and held in a room.
Right.
That's, you know, it's like, yeah, it's pretty dark.
She thought the boys were- If it comes back to like, Daddy, I watched
a Serbian film, then you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

(01:20:08):
No, but-
Taken was awesome.
What?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, bad.
Sorry, honey, I'm not Liam Neeson, so-
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Please don't ever get kidnapped like that in another country.
I like the first Taken better when it was called Spartan and starred Val Kilmer personally.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh my God.
That's a callback.
I do love Taken though.

(01:20:28):
Taken's fucking good.
It's a good movie, but it's very different.
And it's kind of a similar plot too.
It is, but-
Except it's not his dad, it's like somebody that's hired to get a girl out of a drug store.
The dad adds the more emotional to it.
Well, it was also, the girl was the daughter of the president.
Yeah, well.
Yeah.
But I was going to say, with honors-
Plot point.
Plot point.
One of the things that speaks to me with that film, and as a young mind, especially similarly

(01:20:50):
having, you know, most everyone here, especially, you know, Smash knows Dark Childhood, like,
watching that film actually curated and showed me a way of like, I understood Brendan Fraser's
character.
Like, I understood that is his only mode, to feel like he is something and can be something

(01:21:18):
is through accomplishing these things with his grades and being the best at academics.
And he goes into that with Joe Pesci's character about why he is the way he is with his schooling
in the film.
And I can relate to that.
Like, at a certain point in my life where like the only thing I could control was how
well I do in certain areas and I crushed school because I could focus on that and I could

(01:21:39):
do well in that.
But everything else was a fucking shit show.
So one thing that I took from that was it shows that you cannot get so lost in the book
smart aspect of being a human that you lose being a human.
And that is the biggest message that I and still take from this film.
It's like, you can sit there and read and be the smartest person that you know about

(01:22:01):
everything that's going on socially or politically or whatever, up to current date.
Like, you are the most up to date current day after day after day after day.
If you are a shit person or you talk to people like shit, which equates to treating people
like shit, you are still shit.
Like you've still got to be a human.
You know, and that really.
It's more simple to give a few blankets and it's to stare out the window and wonder what

(01:22:24):
you could have done.
Exactly.
But exactly.
It's like there's a lot of there's so that movie for me holds a lot of lines that as
a person, I when I get into a situation or I get into a moment where I know like I can
be this person or that person, it's one of those sayings that like rings into my head
or if I can, you know, trust this person, not trust this person.

(01:22:45):
One of the quotes is, you know, he's talking to Brendan Fraser and he's he's kind of on
the bed dying and he's just like, you know, you know, everybody's a used car salesman
and Brendan Fraser is like, oh, that's Q's like, so don't trust anybody.
He's like, no, you got to trust people.
However, you just you can't always expect a guarantee.
And then the other one, which recently everything I went through with my mom had kind of taught

(01:23:08):
me and rang true to me is like the difference on the way he's like, you'd be really surprised
how the difference or the view on the way out is different than the view on the way
in.
That's a great fucking and I'm tearing up now.
But if you have you really like it is if you really think about it at times where you feel

(01:23:29):
like you have a lost perspective, like it in my head, that's I that shit it rings in
my head and it doesn't it's not a fix.
It just sometimes it helps steer me.
Yes, it's stupid.
But that's not stupid.
It's not stupid.
But it's it's true.
Yeah, it's it's time and time again where you hear that across the board that like people

(01:23:53):
have a whole different perspective when they know the end is approaching.
Yeah.
And like that rings true.
Like because everything that you thought was important.
I like yeah, I like you go ahead.
I've got I've got more to say.
I was just going to say like I mean, notion of like him and the whale.

(01:24:15):
It's about it's about trying to resolve on, you know, unfettered love, you know, like
it's it's a depressing situation.
However, put away the regrets before it's over, you know, like try to fix things like
it's go see the movie.

(01:24:36):
But it's human.
We should get out of the doldrums of on this last episode.
That's a good word, by the way, of of like the depressing shit.
Yeah, fair.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
Like some of the fucking fun ass.
Yeah.
So about the network, what we got going on, what's happening.
That's what I wanted to pivot to because we're coming at the tail end here is that we have

(01:24:57):
a lot.
And honestly, there is a segue here is that we were talking about the whale and the idea
of like it's different on the way in than on the way out.
And we are on the way out of regular releases for Geeks on the Influence.
But oh, buddy, our perspectives have fundamentally changed by being part of this experience for
the past eight years with each other.
I think we've all came out stronger.
Yeah, absolutely.
I know I have.

(01:25:19):
I know my comes out stronger.
Sorry.
You're thinking about me or Mike?
Like a fucking shotgun blast.
It's scary.
Like a shotgun blast.
I mean, I've heard I've heard.
You should ask Wonder Woman is the only one that can carry Superman's baby.
But like there's been so much that has occurred in the past eight years.
And at least for me, there's so much of that has been informed by being part of this, not

(01:25:41):
just this podcast, but like this family that we built together around this podcast.
You know, we were not just showrunners with each other.
This is like friends.
These are these are people that we've gotten closer to because of the shows.
These are people that we met because of the shows like Smash.
I consider you one of my closest friends and I met you because Lowdown brought you over
to a Star Wars episode very early in our in our in our doing this.

(01:26:05):
And I was like, I'm not going anywhere.
And great.
And you have to figure it out.
I remember talking about you being like, this is rad.
I don't care if they want me here or not.
I'm showing up.
Yeah, I'm going to do this.
And you know, that's I did.
I did give him the records like Smash and I are very similar in our aggressive.
I'm a little more quiet, but my aggression is still the same.

(01:26:26):
I was like, the aggressive tendencies are very similar.
I've noticed every time we've gone, like, let's say to the mountains to like do the
the brewery crawls.
Oh, God.
The wrestling matches that you fucking or the or the conventions where you're just rolling
off the fucking hotel room beds like wrestling each other.
Yes, I know.
Agro is sometimes you got to get primal.
You got to get primal, man.

(01:26:47):
Look, over the past, like close to eight years, there have been, you know, ups and downs like
every everything else.
There's been like massive highs and massive lows both within the network and within our
own lives.
And it's been crazy to think about how much we've all gone through individually and together
in the past eight years.
A lot of the individual we went through was together.

(01:27:08):
Yeah, well, that's the thing is having this this little family to be part of makes the
harder moments a little bit easier to agree.
I mean, it doesn't make it easy by any stretch, but it alleviates.
Some of the none of us should ever.
And if there has ever been a panelist that has, we have failed them.

(01:27:30):
None of our panelists going through anything should ever have felt alone because they haven't
been like we were going through our own individual trials that aren't necessarily related to
another panelist or showrunner like another showrunner should never feel like they were
alone.
There's always a lifeline.
There's always always a lifeline.
I mean, we've all been there, Hobbit, Groot, Smash and I, we've all had that where we and

(01:27:56):
we've used those lifelines to pull us out from drowning, you know, because a lot of
us could have easily drowned and we probably not even have been here right now.
I'm just saying this is I mean, it's not dark.
That's like the hope.
It's like the hope that this has given us.
This is like the positivity this has given us.
And something that I've gained from doing this over the past eight years, too, is that

(01:28:17):
like I'm still, you know, I'm still somewhat jaded about things in my life.
You know, I still have that.
I'm in my 40s.
I don't think you get into your 40s without being at least a little bit.
You've lived the life.
You live the life.
You're allowed a little bit of buffer room there.
You're allowed to be a little crumpley.
Is this why Mark Maron is rich?
No shit.
Like you're allowed to be a little grumpy.

(01:28:38):
It's fine.
But on the same end, like this idea that like, yeah, there's always a lifeline.
And then looking at that through the lens of what we try to expel here at GUI is that
like it's all it's all inclusive, not exclusive.
Do we need to do it?
Can we go Vin Diesel?
Thank you for being a friend.
It's all about family.
It's not just about the showrunners here.
It's about like back again.

(01:29:03):
The listeners, the people that just picked up the show or the people that have been there
since the early days when we didn't know how to record anything and it sounded like fucking
garbage.
No matter how long you've been listening, the whole point was that it's a place where
even the people at the table are learning something during the conversation.
It's not a place where you have to be this tall to ride.

(01:29:23):
Everybody gets a chance to be able to talk about the things they love.
It's not just for the big brains that know every aspect of everything.
We got we usually try to have so fucking not try to have one of those at the table so that
the rest of us can just float the episode and just get drunk.
One person's carrying one person's doing the heavy lifting and the rest of us are just
like, Oh, look, I'm geek fathers.

(01:29:44):
I Google everything on the spot.
Oh yeah.
Wait, hold on.
Even if you don't, you don't agree.
Like it's still fine.
Like that's the thing.
We have bad fucking opinions all the time.
That's the thing is that I have no issue.
I hate toxic fandom.
That's not saying that you're not allowed to not like something.

(01:30:04):
Absolutely.
Don't like what you don't like.
It's okay to laugh about it, but it's also not okay to tell a person that their opinion
is wrong because they like it.
Exactly.
If you want to playfully tease, that's completely fine.
That's part of like, which we do like, if I say something, listen, I've been told, I
have been tortured for years of speaking of every podcast I've ever done.

(01:30:29):
The whole purpose of FU Hunter being on his premiere episode was to fuck with Kyle over
Batman versus Superman, which was a fucking tire fire on a film.
So teasing is like, I mean, we have to do that.
Yeah.
It's like, it's in our nature.
It's part of friendship groups.
I mean, it's just the nature of the beast.
And I feel like we have developed that where just the tone of the show and our listeners

(01:30:53):
get it.
Like they get that this, that's what's happening is that nobody, at the end of the day, we're
holding hands and skipping out of the studio when we're done.
Like we're, you know, what's sad is no, we did, we did.
Smash brought it because the running, nothing or anything of the show is East coast local
baby smash.
You brought devil's backbone, East coast local.
We had to, we like, and I'm drinking regular devil's backbone, but we had to have something

(01:31:15):
East coast local.
Something borrowed something.
That's right.
Yeah.
We have to, we have to have something.
I'm a feeling boy.
Unfortunately, the, uh, the Jefferson's ocean at sea is not East coast.
No, it is.
It's Kentucky.
No, but it's, it's like, that's like a Jason.
That's how you know how coasts work.
You didn't either because it's on the coast, but you said yingling was regionally local

(01:31:39):
and what you decide the region to be.
Kentucky is not East coast, but it is Eastern.
The way that they make it seems to be that the theory behind that entire drink is that
it's not fully ready for you to drink until it gets to you.
So technically it's everything.
So yeah, it's East coast local.

(01:32:00):
You know, I would say the same thing.
Talking about about this podcast is that, no, I was going to come up with, I got nothing.
But damn it.
I'm drinking it at the end of like the talk show.
Like, you know, at the end of the day, you probably love each other.
It's everywhere.
What was that?
What was that old show that ended up on Nick and night that was like that, where it was

(01:32:21):
like, it started out with him in the thinking pose and then it ended with like a very thoughtful
thing.
You remember that Nick night show was black and white.
No, remember that black and white.
It was a black and white show that came on Nickelodeon.
The honeymooners.
I love Lucy.
Honeymooners.
I love Lucy.
They did that thing over the summer where all my sons know.

(01:32:41):
God damn it.
I'll find it.
I'll find it afterwards.
Jesus.
Kyle, you're fuck you.
Just a reminder.
We've got so many other shows on the net.
Yes, it already exists.
And we are working on breaking a bunch of new shows on the network this year.
We've got we got changes to shows.
We've got new shows coming out.
We've got like new guests, new experiences, new live events that we're going to be doing.

(01:33:03):
So shit.
Yeah.
I want you to know that this stream that you're listening to right now on this episode is still
going to be live.
We're still going to dropping pilots of new shows that are coming out.
We're going to be dropping occasional new episodes on here.
We might even throw if we're bored and hanging out, we might throw a fucking audio commentary
on here and there.
Oh, dude, don't fuck it.
Now we can actually take advantage of our commentaries, dude.

(01:33:23):
I mean, everything's set up that literally all it takes is turning on the TV and putting
on the board and then like it's set up to do audio commentary.
Yes.
Fuck.
Yeah.
Stop.
Don't play with me.
No, we know we've talked about doing more commentary.
We just haven't been able to work it in with the actual episode.
It's like it's a schlub version of like mystery science theater.

(01:33:43):
Yeah.
It's the most fun concept.
I got it.
There's never going to be a fucking Superman bullshit.
No.
Why do you have to be mean?
We're saving you because we would just be me in the whole fucking movie.
Yeah.
You would just cry when you're walking out the door.
You really would.
You can't make fun of Christopher Reeve.
No, I can't.
No, I really can't.

(01:34:04):
He's a good dude.
I know.
Throughout the years of doing GUI, there's been multiple times, basically once a year,
at least once a year during the anniversary, is that like teary eyed and like choked up
about like how much this has meant to me, this show and everything.
But I think why it feels different this time around is because I don't think we're losing
much by GUI going to every so often because so much of what this show is, is in the DNA

(01:34:28):
of everything else that we're building on the network.
100%.
Instead of one place for us all to go, it's like 18 different places that you can go.
So there's more of it.
There's more GUI.
Our DNA is everywhere.
It's everywhere.
It's that like those super groups of music that-
Are we audio slave or Temple the dog?

(01:34:50):
Which one are we?
We're wings.
Oh, fuck you.
I mean, I do like me some wings at Balmcartney, but I was trying to think of more reference
to us, you know, audio slave is badass, Temple the dog is badass.
I was-
Fuck you, dude.
At our level, we could say even audio slave.
We're like maybe Velvet Revolver.
Oh, what the fuck?

(01:35:12):
What?
Oh wait, none of us has a heroin habit.
No.
So, crap.
Well, that eliminates the other two bands too.
Oh wait, no, yeah, we don't dance around like Jim Morrison either.
It's not everybody's taste, but the people that like it, love it, them crooked vultures.
Oh yes, them crooked vultures.
No, no, fuck that shit.
We're the head cat.
No, we're killer be killed.
Head cat.

(01:35:33):
The motor head.
The fucking lemmy.
Yeah, okay.
That's a part, that's more party.
What's this nuts from-
Has nobody heard Killer Be Killed?
Brian Censor.
Brian Censor Orchestra?
And fucking-
This has gotten weird.
Nobody.
Nobody.
Foo Fighters, Killer Be Killed, the May Guy.
Nobody.
Killer Be Killed what?
Killer Be Killed, it's a super group with like the singer from Dillinger Escape Plan,

(01:35:57):
Max Cavallara from Sepultura, the bass player from Mastodon, and then the drummer is also
from Dillinger.
So the-
I'm sure somebody cares about that.
Oh god, you fucking suck.
I haven't heard it yet.
I haven't heard it.
I'm willing to listen to it.
I'm familiar with the neurotic outsiders.
No.
They were a super group back in the 90s, early 2000s that had Duff McKagan from-

(01:36:21):
GNR.
GNR.
It had Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols.
It had, who was it, was it Izzy Stradlin maybe?
There were like two other members that were very well known other groups, and it was like
hard, fast, like Texas rock and roll from like the late 90s, early 2000s, and it's fucking

(01:36:41):
good.
It's good?
It means it's got a little twang on it.
We need to share that shit.
Hot and twangy.
Yeah, there's a song called Angelina that is probably my favorite off of there, but
there's also Wish I Had a Union, which is just a song about them singing about the different
members of neurotic outsiders and how much they all suck.
So they're just, like-
That sounds real nasty.
Yeah, real good tab.

(01:37:02):
So they're fun.
We can throw those on-
I do want to make notice that-
Don't look at me with those eyes.
The week after you're listening to this, if we have crossovers with Madness listeners
and GUI listeners, Madness will be done its break and we will be releasing next week.
Going back into our weekly releases, we always take a break.

(01:37:23):
First part of the year, because I need a fucking break.
On that same end, Smack My Pitch Up has two in the barrel.
We already have two episodes recorded.
We're releasing our first episode of the new year after a little bit of a hiatus.
We are back and we have streamlined it instead of four versions of the movie.
We both get two real takes and two remixes.

(01:37:44):
One of us gets the real take, one of us gets the remix.
It's a nice clean 30 to 45 minute episode now.
It's running so much smoother.
It's so much more fun and it's so much easier to edit.
I'm re in love with the show again.
Like it reinvigorated my excitement for doing that show.
And I think it's just a fundamentally better show with this new cleaner format.

(01:38:05):
I love it.
Beautiful Disasters has a kind of revamp format we're coming out with this year.
We are revamping the main episode to tighten it up.
Okay.
Tighten it up, make it nice and concise, but we also have-

(01:38:26):
Firm Tushy.
We're still doing Schluck Abuse.
Nice pancake butt.
That's right.
Nice pancake butt.
It was down here, now it's up here.
That's right.
We're tightening up Schluck Abuse too.
Keep it down to 30 minutes.
Are you doing Vaginal Reconstruction?
Brazilian butt lifts, I think.
Brazilian butt lifts.
We haven't done that yet.
We haven't done that yet.
You have your butt held tight lately.
Would you like to?

(01:38:46):
We have a brand new show with our brand new host, Murphy.
Fuck yeah, Murph Lawless baby.
Woo!
God damn right.
It's based on the...
The fucking Video Nasties.

(01:39:09):
It's called BeBe Gets Nasty.
Nice.
How nasty.
Now, is that going to replace any other shorts or are you still going to have the Schluck
Abuse and then also the BeBe Nasties?
We still got Schluck Abuse.
This is an addition, but this is a new mini.
Nice.
We're focusing all on the Video Nasties that were declared by the British censor bullshit

(01:39:37):
that happened in the 80s.
There were 72 movies done that way.
We're going to do double features each time.
It's going to be an ongoing series.
It's going to be fun.
BeBe Gets Nasty.
Nice.
Coming out soon, baby.
Awesome.
Excited.
That's awesome.

(01:39:57):
Fuck yeah.
Fuck yeah.
Yeah.
Geek Fathers is off the ground releasing episodes again, doing the thing.
Geek Fathers is...
Yeah.
We've been steady recording.
We're always constantly trying to refine the format like any one of us is, where things
work, they don't work.

(01:40:18):
We always try to at least keep it as fresh as we can and not stay to something old.
That's what we've been doing and changing it up.
We got a couple of cool things coming down the line.
Hopefully March or April will be fruitful for us here at the podcast.
We'll see what all happens with that, but keep listening.

(01:40:39):
We're putting stuff out and hopefully something maybe that we say interests you and you'll
listen long enough.
We love you for that.
That's always the hope.
If not, you know...
I hope you like what you hear and what we're bringing.
That's really where it's at, right?
What we're bringing.
If not, we get it.
We still love you anyways.
Yeah.
I know.

(01:41:00):
Hey.
I don't like the sound of my own voice.
I don't blame you for not listening.
That's actually a very good point.
Look, everybody at GUI in this network realizes that not everyone's going to love what we
bring, but the people that do, we love you.
The people that don't, because we're not their flavor, we love you too.
Which is not your flavor.
We get it.
Well, that's the nice thing about decentralizing this network a little bit by GUI not being

(01:41:25):
the center point more than just almost like the informational channel for the network
now is that if one show isn't your flavor, there's going to be another one that is.
Exactly.
There's plenty of choices.
That's how I promote the network on Madness is I'm like, check out GUIPodguys.com.
We got tons of different flavors, something for everybody.
That's because we do, we have tons of different flavors.

(01:41:46):
That's really the best way to describe it.
We will excite all of your buds.
The new flavor that I'm bringing to the table in the next... Hopefully next month we'll
be releasing the episodes is Pop Cultist.
I'm excited for that.
I'm excited to hear the first episode of that shit.
I've gotten the licensing as a chubby bearded cis white male in his 40s.

(01:42:08):
I have a specialization in toxic fandom.
Yes, you do.
From that specialization-
You should never say that line again in your life.
You said it once, it's fact, and then it could be over on-
No, no.
You should put it on a t-shirt.
I got certificates.
I'm able to open up my own consultation firm for some of the fandoms that don't have that
toxic fandom like Star Wars and Marvel and especially DC.

(01:42:30):
Snyder, a DC has.
Why does it got to be especially?
Actually, DC is the least toxic because they don't have anything to be toxic about.
The DCU doesn't have anything to be toxic about.
Look, look, look.
Look, look.
Snyder DC.
I don't believe any actual-
Yeah, you know where I'm going.
Yeah.
I hope you all swallow your own testicles.
All right, continue.
So there's some of the more popular fandoms are, have almost cult-like followings to them.

(01:42:58):
They have these fans that there's a very certain way that you enjoy the content.
Only way it can be.
If you don't enjoy it that way, then you're wrong.
And if you look at that in comparison to like cult behavior, it's one-to-one.
It is cult behavior.
All you're missing is the Kool-Aid, baby.
So instead of trying to combat that, we're leaning in.

(01:43:18):
How do we get Howard the Duck to get cult following behavior?
That's Kyle's episode.
Oh, I'm on that shit.
I'm going to take the tools that I've learned from being a Star Wars fan and a Marvel fan
and like a fan of fandoms that have been toxic to utilize that to help Waterworld get back
on the map.
To help Groot Angleys-
Waterworld's amazing.
To get Angleys Hulk back on the map.

(01:43:40):
Listen-
Oh no, he never left the map.
This is strictly because it's a hatred of yours.
I want to create a fucking cult, if I am allowed on an episode, around Metal Core.
No.
Ah, see?
To each their own.
To each their own.
Oh no.
The amount of-
Isn't there already a cult?

(01:44:01):
My bottom line-
Some cults are too dangerous.
I want to do the episode with him.
That's why.
It's strictly fuck with him.
Basically the focus of Pop Cultus is to focus on fandoms that aren't necessarily appreciated
as much or are divisive.
So like, something like ICP is very cult-like.
Oh my god.
Sorry.
No, is very cult-like.
Sorry.

(01:44:21):
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I hear that man.
My laugh.
So that would not be a good fit for the show because it's already got its own cult.
Yeah.
But something like, let's say, ALF or Sliders-
Who doesn't love ALF?
Well, no, but that's the thing.
People like ALF, but there's no cult-like following to ALF.
Oh, I will fuck, yeah.
So I'm pretty sure-
How do you have a mint of that con yet?
Is there an ALF con I don't know about?

(01:44:44):
Have you ever seen ALF cosplay?
No.
Exactly.
You know what?
So that's what I'm saying is that we use the tools that we have learned from Marvel, from
Star Wars, from the DCEU, and we take those tools and we create that same kind of cult-like
following to the ALFs, to the Thundercats, to the Angleys' Hulks, to the Waterworld.
I think the Thundercats- We let everybody's fandoms that they get ridiculed for, we turn

(01:45:08):
that back around and we create a cult about it.
And that's pop cultists, putting the cult in pop culture.
Oh.
Ah.
Building the religion around it.
Yep.
Oh, okay.
And the merchandising possibilities.
Mwah.
Mwah.
Yeah.
By the way, if you want to see the Ulysses cut of Waterworld, you can make that happen.

(01:45:30):
Who wants to?
I did, because I actually do enjoy Waterworld as a very flawed movie.
No, no.
There are so many cuts and I have the best.
On that note, we are space truckers on water.
We are way, way over time.
And we got to get to throwing down, because hey, we're going to finish this off the way
that we started this.
Is this started because it was friends hanging around drinking booze and talking about fandom

(01:45:53):
shit?
I have a late share.
Can I throw this in?
Yeah.
Because I brought this with me.
Let's do this right at the conclusion of the show.
I was-
Good idea.
You're goddamn right, because this is going to end this off right.
I wasn't sure if I was going to drink this tonight, but because of what tonight is and
what we're doing, it's the tropical beer hug, but it's 9.9% and that's after I've had those

(01:46:15):
smashes.
Yeah.
We're getting lit.
So-
We don't have any fresh cups.
I didn't want to end off the show specifically, but I just wanted to throw it out there that
we're going to go hard and enjoy this last time for now.
Yeah.
Let's raise our glasses to ourselves.
Let's cheers fucking GUI.
Cheers motherfucker.
Everybody involved with building this.

(01:46:37):
It's a good sound.
And this cheers is for you listeners as well.
This didn't happen for eight years in a vacuum.
This is because of your love and support that you've given us over the years and all our
panelists and show runners and everybody that has been involved even to minorist degree
with GUI.
Goddamn right.
Thank you so fucking much.
We had a great fucking time doing it.
Great fucking time.

(01:46:58):
Yes, we did.
Holy shit.
It was such an amazing time.
Thank you so much for allowing us to not even just necessarily open, do what we did, but
giving us the confidence to do what we did.
We interviewed fucking Robert England.
I don't think I would have had the balls to walk-
Shut your fucking mouth.

(01:47:19):
No, hold on.
Seriously though, I don't think I, Hobbit nor I would have had the balls to go to Robert
England and ask for a fucking interview if it wasn't for the fact that we had people
listening to us knowing that when we record this, other people will love this and experience
this too.
That is like a force behind, it's a force of nature behind you, just pushing you along.

(01:47:40):
I love that shit, man.
No, no, no.
Shut the fuck up.
Thank you.
All I gotta say is-
You rotten son of a bitch.
No.
Mike, you had a thing that you wanted to do.
Yeah, you beautiful bitch.
You did it and I'm proud of you and you made a thing.
Honestly, you started a podcast and that was like, oh, I can do that and the rest of us

(01:48:06):
could do that.
That's fucking awesome and we had a great time doing it and we've had so many fucking
memories.
Thank you so much, brother.
Fuck yeah, man.
That's what I'm talking about.
All right, I am a loud kind of boisterous person and I know I can probably come across

(01:48:27):
as arrogant to some or overconfident to others or maybe not confident enough and I don't
really care in general, but I know that when I met, I knew low down, but when I met you
guys, I have people that I care about, but there's very, very, very few that I've ever

(01:48:50):
felt like they get me and coming here and meeting all of you guys, I felt like I found
a crowd who understood me because I'm a weird fucking dude, even for you guys.
We're all weird fucking dudes.
We are.
We are.
We're all weird dudes, man.
But even in this crowd, I can seem sometimes like a black sheep and that's just the way
that I run, but you guys get me and you didn't ask me who I was or to change or to be like

(01:49:16):
you or to dress like you.
We're all going to the same Wednesday, Adam's Hogwarts together.
You just got me and I love you all for that and I appreciate that.
I'm not going to cry, but I just.
You're getting me fucking close, dude.
I really, I really, you have no idea what that did for me.
Dude, vice versa.
Thank you.

(01:49:36):
I don't know because even you and I haven't had that conversation, but one of the things
I told you between coming on to this for the first episode was that it's cool, man, because
each one of us are black sheep.
Each one of us are black sheep and what makes us quote unquote a black sheep, everybody

(01:50:00):
fucking loves and it's not, it's not, it's, it's, it doesn't, it doesn't matter what you
consider to make sure a black sheep or makes you fucking weird because everybody already
loves you for that and no one wants you to change.
And like when you showed interest, I was like, well, fucking come on, man, like, cause you
and I have a very similar background.

(01:50:25):
We've wax poetic about that many a nights.
And I was like, I think this might do for you what it did for me.
And before you take it over, I can't, you talk, the amount of years I've fucking known
your ass, you've talked a lot of mad shit and I always have some really fucking stupid
ideas.
And the podcast thing, I was like, well, that is a good idea, but is this another hobbit

(01:50:48):
idea?
I had a space crunk band.
Yeah.
I had the, like the, like a pirate space thing too.
There was a pirate.
There was, oh, there was, no, there was a pirate thing.
Yeah, there was a pirate thing.
Yeah.
Mad Martigan.
Mad Martigan.
Mad Martigan.
I still want to get that going, but Jesus see, but Mad Martigan is just, it's just,
right now I'm working on my, my, uh, like retro future wave band T-Rex nemesis destroyer.

(01:51:11):
So that's, that's the one I'm working on now.
But there's, and they're not, they're not bad ideas.
It's just, okay, what are you actually going to put your, no, I get, I get, every idea
is worth putting the energy into to see where it goes.
And I was, I was more like, okay, he's passionate about it.

(01:51:31):
Like he has been about a bunch of other things.
What the, what's the level of energy?
And the, I watched and talked and watched and talked.
Like you said, the end of 2014, it was a lot of conversation.
I'm like, okay.
And he did the first episode and I'm like, oh shit.
Okay.
And then he made the second episode hard.
And he was like, Hey, you should come on this one.

(01:51:54):
And I'm like, cool.
And from then on it sparked something in me that I didn't even know I gave a fuck about.
And to the point now where I, we have, we now have two fucking studios between here
and I built one in my house because I fucking love this shit.
So Mike, I love you and thank you so much.
I love you too buddy.
You showed, you showed me that you were serious about something and that sparked me and made

(01:52:19):
me believe in something.
And I really, really, really fucking appreciate you for that dude.
I mean that I love you brother.
A bunch of everybody else crying before I fucking cry.
We beat you bitch.
A bunch of people who didn't have a voice got a voice, got a voice.
And it's because you put in the massive amounts of hours and hours of fucking work, dude.

(01:52:42):
When we first started, you were, you were spending 10, 13 hours editing this shit, trying
to wrangle shit and then to make me, give me the honor of, you know, because I just
did it naturally.
It was like, dude, just one person trying to wrangle cats when we had a six person panel.
Let me see if I can try to fill this out.
I was just, I was doing it out of like, fuck he needs help.

(01:53:02):
But then like you gave me the honor of being like the co-runner.
Yeah.
From, but no, but I'd never take that for granted.
Like it's not like, I've never felt like you have.
It's not like I've never felt like I earned it or I deserve that.
It's like, no, like somebody's got to help you wrangle all that shit.
And it's more about just stepping up.

(01:53:23):
That's been incredibly helpful.
The number of times that you've had to go, all right, motherfuckers in the years we've
done this.
But it's just like, I like the slow reaches under the table.
Yeah.
I'm just saying, man, like, Oh, I'm just saying this has done a lot for me over the, over
the course of these years.
It has, I have grown exponentially as a person having to, uh, between wrangling this, between

(01:53:46):
being on episodes, uh, it puts you in a position where you're, you're, you're forced to, and
not in a negative way, you're forced to do what you, a lot of people don't do in their
daily lives is listen to somebody else.
And it makes it easier to ask because somebody already know and somebody already love, but
you still have to stop and listen.
If it can't happen there, it can't happen anywhere else in the world.
It's like, if you can't listen to your best friend, have a discerning opinion, like how

(01:54:11):
the fuck are we supposed to change anything else in the world by just listening?
If we can't listen to Groot's have some very in depth and insightful thing with the 12
second pauses between points, uh, then we can't.
And that's what I'm saying.
Like, I know where he's going, but, um, your, your tone was so like in my head, I kept thinking
we didn't lay down with rock.

(01:54:33):
No, no, no, totally understand.
It was just the tone in your voice, the conviction.
It was so powerful.
I get it.
Why is the last Jedi the best star Wars movie since the original trilogy?
I know.
Whoa.
Whoa.
What just, what?
Okay.
Um, so I don't know if I disagree, but I've just, uh, this episode is falling apart.

(01:54:58):
So we're going to be, I wanted to make that note.
I thought we did too.
I love you and thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to create my own passion
to create my own thing, dude.
Like there is something so magical about what?
Hunter obviously helped a lot.
Willing something.
Yeah, obviously.
Yeah.
They're creating this in their mouth.
Oh my God.

(01:55:18):
Oh, sorry.
Uh, there is something magical about creating something, something that never existed before
and willing it into existence by, by pure effort.
And that's what we've had the opportunity to do for the past eight years.
One thing that I've learned about myself through doing the show and, uh, through therapy as
well is something that I really crave throughout the entirety of my life is community.

(01:55:40):
I tried to find that in, uh, the punk rock scene as I grew up.
And as much as that ethos is still on me that I still truly fucking believe in, the scene
part of it is something that I never really fully appreciated.
Uh, there's a, it's the same fucking high school shit or business shit.
Like it's the same kind of stuff that you deal with any kind of group of people.

(01:56:01):
And that's something that I was always looking for as a group of people that didn't have
that weird hierarchy.
I'm cooler than you kind of energy.
Um, when I moved to Richmond, I started the RVMC Richmond, Richmond, Virginia, musicians
collective, uh, website, trying to get musicians to talk to each other and start bands and
trade equipment and stuff.
And that started getting off the ground and then it just didn't.

(01:56:22):
Um, and with groups of friends, we jokingly started a group called the candy cane assassins
and it was this group of friends.
And, um, then there was GUI and GUI was something different because it required effort.
It wasn't just people that hung out together.
It was that you had to put energy into the thing.

(01:56:44):
You had to put time and research and energy to be part of this experience.
And it wasn't that anyone was better or worse than anybody else.
It wasn't that anybody was like cool kid and somebody else was not the cool kid.
It was that it just took giving a shit just a little bit to be part of this experience.
And because that was the beat, this tall to ride was literally just caring.

(01:57:09):
I ended up with the most wonderful family of like loving and thoughtful people to be
surrounded by on a regular basis because it's people that are willing to put their money
where their mouth is and to put that little bit of energy out that a lot of people aren't
willing to do.
And so at the end of the day, GUI isn't just about shooting the shit with my friends and

(01:57:29):
talking about nerd shit.
That's where it starts, but what it really comes down to is the idea that true friendship
comes from the people that show up.
The people that consistently show up and are there and support you and you support back.
And there isn't niddly piddly bullshit about who did what for who and back and forth about
it.

(01:57:50):
It's just about being there and being available and just believing in each other.
We made it bare bones simplicity.
It is very simple to do that.
It's very simple to do that.
I feel like this showed me even when I thought I had a rudimentary understanding of it, how
simple it is to just show the fuck up.

(01:58:10):
So in addition to the the things that we believe in here at the network of like inclusivity
and not gatekeeping your shit, like if anything, be a mentor to the people that are getting
into the shit that you're into, because that just means more of it gets to exist.
Exactly.
It's OK not to like it.
People that love the thing more the thing.

(01:58:33):
It's OK.
And it's OK to have part of your shit that you don't fully understand because it's not
necessarily for you.
That's something I had to learn when I got into my 40s.
It's OK to be OK.
Yeah.
Stuff isn't always necessarily aimed at us anymore.
And that's that's that's tough sometimes, but it's OK.
But it's it's tough.
But it's the truth.
Yeah.
It's the fact like not everything's aimed at 40 year olds.

(01:58:55):
But I'm not 40 yet.
I'm not either.
You're close enough, dude.
Yeah, I know.
But what I learned more than anything else is that at the end of the day, you put your
energy into people and what you love and and what you want out of life and not all of it
will get returned.
But instead of getting frustrated about it and getting negative about it, use that as

(01:59:19):
an answer of where you need to put your energies.
If it's not if it's not bouncing back, it's like radar.
You know, you then you don't have to focus on that anymore.
Then you read readjust and you focus on the things that are giving you that energy that
you do you need, you know, whether it be friendships or a project that you're working on, something
creative.

(01:59:41):
Put your energies where they work the most.
I've got to I've got to bring us back down from the serious level.
And it's kind of like a boomerang.
And like I love boomerangs because they always come back.
They whenever remember the member Suicide Squad.
Yes, absolutely.
Remember that.
Yeah.

(02:00:01):
Sorry, I had to I had to do it.
Yeah.
But in order for a DC fanboy, fuck you.
You better love that fucking movie.
Oh, no.
But for a boomerang to come back to you, you got to put the effort into the boomerang in
the first place.
Exactly.
They're like boomerangs.
You got to fucking fling it and it'll always come back.
And that's why Captain Boomerang is the most insightful, thoughtful character in the DC
arsenal.
That's right.
Fucking mouth.
All right.

(02:00:22):
He gets me.
Let's get the fuck out of here.
This is going so wrong.
Now I'm angry.
I was so hopeful.
Now I'm angry.
We came into this universe as an over as a fucking overloaded episode of bullshit.
We're now actually.
Thank you for letting me come on.
Thank you all for coming on.
Now on a regular basis.
And it's been a ride, brother.

(02:00:44):
Yeah.
All right.
Amazing ride.
I wouldn't trade it for anything.
You fuckers.
I genuinely I genuinely love you guys.
I love you too.
I love you too.
I love all.
I love you.
Family.
You are.
I love you.
Smash.
I love you.
Groots.
I fucking love you.
I love all you motherfuckers and all of our weird.
It just coalesce.

(02:01:04):
And that's what it's about.
And on that note, I don't think this episode needs to end with just one of us yelling the
the end.
Oh no, I got I do have something special for that, though.
You can say that too.
But I think whoever wants to join me in the one in the one, two, three go of it, please
do, because this at the end of the day isn't a one person deal and never has been.

(02:01:27):
It's about all of us being dumbasses together.
Yes.
So let's fucking do this shit.
DVD.
Don't leave me out to dry like the fucking intro when I go, we need none of you fucking
do it like way.
Going out bitter.
Yay.
That's the way that's the old Jayden thing we talked about earlier.
The way he came in.

(02:01:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's gonna be crying when he go out.
All right.
I'm Mike the Hobbit.
I'm Lowdown.
Join us or die.
I don't know why everyone got so sad towards the end of this, because like for me, it's
a mark day because Hobbit's finally going to shut the fuck up.
Damn.
Oh, bitches.
Cool.

(02:02:08):
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Fuck god.
Prove.
Prove.
Prove.
Prove.
I can read that right there.
And then the next Wisconsin Hail point we're talking about, you've got the

(02:02:40):
big one.

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