Episode 1: Taylor Swift Football Mania, MLB Playoffs, Loki Season 2, & Ahsoka Finale

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening,
wherever you are, we are hopingit is good and welcome back to
Geeks who Like Sports.
Ladies and gentlemen, we havereturned.
Season two is officiallyunderway.
As always, I am the loudmouthin Los Angeles, ray Carsello,

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the Italian juggernaut, as somehave decided to start calling me
, and, of course, as always, I'mmy best friend over in
Philadelphia, pennsylvania, lili, elias, lili.
It's been like 15 months.
How are you doing, my goodness,when you say it like that?
It's been a long time.
I'm doing great, ray.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
You know, it's funny with this show, ray, is that, as
you know, I do a lot ofbroadcasting daily, right, and I
do a lot of podcasting and I doa lot of things that make me
happy.
And if all that stuff is myfood for the day, my lunch, my
dinner, my breakfast, my dinner,my dinner, my breakfast maybe
not in that order this show hasalways been my dessert and, ray,
I love dessert and, like mostpeople in America, I don't leave

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room for dessert.
I make room for dessert, and itwas a pleasure to make room for
this show to come back into mylife after a little bit of a
hiatus, you could say.
But the timing was right.
We pulled the audience.
We said do you want this tocome back?
We got a resounding, resounding, yes, bring it back.
And the one no vote we got andwe know who you are.
I contacted the person, ray,because I'm like that and they

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said, oh, I hit the wrong button.
I said, oh, it's forgiven, allis the unanimous.
It was unanimous, seriously, itwas unanimous, which I was
shocked.
I really thought we'd get some,at least like 5%.
Like you guys are losers, getaway from here, but people want
to geek them and they want theirsports and they want them
together in one place, which ishere.
I am ecstatic to be doing thisagain.

(01:44):
This is easily again.
I said it's my dessert.
I love doing the show.
I love doing it with you.
I'm excited that our audienceis excited.
I cannot wait to get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
We are the Reese's Peanut Butter Cup of podcasting.
We are chocolate and peanutbutter.
We get everything.
You are everything, we areeverything.
We want, you want, and it'swhat we want, and we are
thrilled to be back after a long, again a long hiatus, a hiatus
that, I admit, was longer than Iexpected.
But Lee and you and I, we'vebeen very, very busy.
Lee, you won gold medals downin Puerto Rico, I launched a

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video game.
We've been super busy.
So you know we appreciateeverybody's patience and loyalty
and wanting us to come back.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, it turns out when there's not a global
pandemic going on, we canactually get a lot more done.
I don't know if any of youlistening share that sentiment,
but yes, yes, no.
In our respective realms, geekthem and the world of sports.
We both succeeded, we bothpushed forward and then we come
back to you now.
At the turn, I feel like we'regandalf the white, suddenly

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right at the end of that battle,just have come back and we're
shining light on sports and geekthem, and you know we've got a
great format for the show.
Sure, it's going to be a littlequicker now.
We got some more bonus episodes, a lot more stuff going on on
social media than we had in thepast.
A lot of it's just stuff we'velearned over the last few years,
but we have the equipment.
For those of you watching theepisode, you'll see that I am in
a brand new studio, a brand newset that we've created over

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that 15 month period, stillwearing the same kind of hat,
because I'm bald, but but whenyou're listening you can't tell.
So that's good.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, I still have my hair, although I definitely look
like I've probably been eatingall those desserts that Lee
mentioned over the past 15.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I love the Reese's yes absolutely.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
But yes, we are back and we really appreciate
everybody for being, forsticking this out with us and
for who we're returning now tojoin us as we get ready to get
into the show.
We've got a lot to talk aboutthis week, starting off with the
NFL lot going on in thefootball season.
Like you mentioned, there'sgoing to be a little bit of
format change.
That's going to be a little bitquicker.
We're not going to break downevery game, but we're going to

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talk about the biggest storiesgoing on in football and there's
going to be developing storiesthat will follow throughout.
The first one that I want toget into is Lee.
The Bears look like they'rehistorically bad.
They blew a three touchdownlead this week against Denver
Broncos, who also looked likethey were on the verge of being
historically bad after losing my50 points Only the third time

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it came in to give it up 70 inNFL history against the Dolphins
.
But Russell Wilson finallycooked a little bit in Chicago,
got himself some Portillo's hotdogs or something I guess, and
found or some deep dish pizzawhich is not pizza, it's a
casserole and found a way forDenver to work, to come back
against Chicago and Lee.
It looks like the head coachdoesn't know what he's doing.

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It looks like the quarterbackis absolutely lost.
The general manager is clueless.
Their offensive cord, I think,was ordered or defense
coordinator, excuse me quitunder mysterious circumstances.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Alan Williams resigned before the season
started and it looks like it wasan HR issue, but no one really
knows.
But that happened in September,which is the worst time for it
to happen.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, it happened right after or right before week
one and it just Lee what is upwith the Bears?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Look, I think the writing has been on the wall but
people are starting to noticeit now.
You know it's funny becausethey had a really interesting
offseason.
It was one of those kind ofhigh risk off seasons where they
made a lot of aggressive movesthat on paper looked like it was
going to help the roster out abit.
But then you start to look atthe team again.
You cannot lose a coordinatorthat early in the season, not
have bad things happen.

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And then when you listen to thelanguage being used in press
conferences and fields saidopenly at a press conference
this is a big problem.
He said the coaches are makingus play like robots.
I mean, that's dissension inpublic.
Claypool comes out and basicallysaid coaches are the problem
Right now.
They got him so far away fromthe team that he's going to be
traded.
Obviously they don't want himin the locker room.

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I got other things written downhere, right, like the polls.
The GM comes out and says noone is panicking and it's like
you better be panicking, right,if you're 0 and 4, and you look,
I mean, and that's not the loststreak, I may even want to game
in a long long, long time theyhaven't won a game.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
We're approaching the one year anniversary.
They haven't won a game sincelast October.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, look, this is what I'm saying.
Culture is a huge piece of anyteam.
This is a team that,talent-wise, was going to be a
bottom half team, but the reasonthey're losing is not because
of their talent.
The reason they're losing isbecause the Bears have compli-.
The Bears are not who wethought they were Right.
They have absolutely no teamculture there, and when you have
players openly descendingagainst coaches right, and

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coaches kind of acting like thisis no big deal.
I'm sorry, chicago, you're infor a really long, horrible
season.
There is no chance that team isgoing to turn around this year
until they get some of this backoffice stuff together.
But you just cannot win, ray,if you're not willing to put
some time into that team culture, and it's pretty clear that
that has been disrupted Now.
With that said, the only silverlining is I'm pretty sure they

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have control over Carolina'sfirst round pick next year, yes,
and their own first round pick.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
So the Bears could have the first two picks in the
draft, because Carolina is also.
Although Carolina has more hope, obviously, with Bryce Young
and whatnot, we'll get into thata bit, but Carolina is also 0-4
.
And although more hope than theBears those, it looks like the
Bears are going to have two topfive picks.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I was just going to say it's highly likely they will
have two top five picks, Allright.
So the way I look at this isthis If I'm the owner, I don't
like.
I understand it, but I don'tlike that that polls is saying
hey, we're not panicking.
I think transparency is neededhere.
Yeah, we're in a bad spot andI'm going to try and work to
make it better, because he'sgoing to be looking for a new
job after the season.
So you might as well put it onthe table.

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He's doing the best he can, butat this point you have to clean
house.
You need a completely newcoaching staff for your new
roster next year.
Keep the core pieces to thepuzzle.
I don't know if Fields is goingto be that guy.
To be fair, he has just had avery bad start to the season.
He did look a little alive inthe last game, but they
collapsed.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
His first career, 300 yard pass, yeah, but I will say
, I'll say this Fields.
And again, it's not all beenhis fault, because again, there
is an issue with the system andthere's been an issue with the
pieces around him, but he is now, I believe, five and 23 in his
career as a starter.
Yeah, and the question is, youmentioned Chase Claypool.
They labeled him as toxic inthe locker room.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, I don't know about all of them.
I mean, you're the locker room.
From what I'm reading like he'snot allowed near the team right
now.
Right, which.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
What do you think that?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
creates in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
No, it completes terrible distention.
It's absolutely poisonous.
But to your point, do you tryto trade maybe Fields and
Claypool and other pieces andjust acquire and have like 15
draft picks next year, cleanhouse, new general manager, new
coach, new and new, everything,literally almost like an

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expansion franchise?
At that point, start fromscratch.
You're going to have the toppick in the draft.
You're going to get the guy outof USC the quarterback,
probably right.
Then you'll get you buildaround you.
Can you get defensive playerswho can get running backs, you
can get whatever else you need.
What are you going to do withFields now?
Is he the guy?

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Because to me he might still be, have a salvageable NFL career,
but it's not going to be inChicago.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, you know it's tough because there's a lot of
factors that play.
In a professional sports Like,you need to keep fans interested
in the team.
That's your lifeblood is makingsure that they show up and pay
for tickets.
Right now, luckily, the ChicagoBears are pretty well
established franchise, so Idon't think they're going to be
losing any fans anytime soon.
But you know, when I lookaround it like I like to look at
precedence and what other teamshave done.

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I think this is a situation, ray, where for Fields, it's not so
much about keeping him andmaking him great unless he
really is there saying I want tobe a bear and I want to turn
this franchise around.
If he's saying that, you mightwant to bank on that, right, I
doubt that he's saying that.
So I think it's more about look, let's put that kid in a place
where he can actually dosomething right.
Let's give him a chance, likeput him in a better team.

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That needs him.
That's how trading is supposedto work.
You'll get some pieces back.
You might get some draft back.
I'm reminded of all those teams, ray and a few of them come to
mind that would send letters outto their fan base mid season
saying listen, we're about to gothrough a pretty aggressive
rebuild and it's going to betough, but we're changing the
culture.
The Bears are a cesspool rightnow when it comes to culture.

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So, to your point yes, theyneed to clean house, keep the
pieces that make sense, thatwant to be there, that maybe
understand the value of being aChicago bear.
Right Again, I you know, I madea post about this the other day
, about the value of a franchise.
You can't just hope someone'sgoing to wear a Yankee symbol or
a Dodger symbol or a bearsymbol or a Green Bay Packers

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symbol.
Just think I'm a packer, I'mgoing to be great.
It's got to be more than that.
There's a culture here, right?
So I think that the Bears needsare seriously rethink building
that culture.
I think they do need to bringin a lot of new people and make
their fan base understand look,we're going to have another
losing season, but you're goingto be able to watch it because
we're going to be trying.
Okay, we're not going to go, ohand 18.
All right, but we're not goingto playoffs, but we're going to,

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darn well, try to become abetter football team with our
new coach, with our probably newquarterback and with these new
rookies?
Yeah.
So, to answer your question,yeah, they really need to do
this.
They have the opportunitybecause of the draft.
Right, I don't remember thelast time a team had a draft
that lucrative right forthemselves in a situation like
this.
So I do know that the Eagleslike to do this, but they're a

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great team, so they that'sbecause they have a great GM.
Not trying to segue out, butlook, to be fair, I am going to
use them as a quick example.
It's not just because I'm fromPhiladelphia.
Howie Roseman is is is theiconic GM that understands
culture.
He understands building a teamand he understands refiltering
players into the team.
Right, the Eagles have a verydifferent roster now than they

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did just a few years ago.
That's something you need to do, but the culture remains All
right and, to be fair, they'renot the only team that does that
.
There's plenty of other teamsthat have cultures like that.
All right, but yeah, it cleansweep man.
If I'm a Bears fan right now,I'm devastated just at this day,
absolutely.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Absolutely.
You mentioned, yeah, a lot ofteams in the NFL in general.
Right, a lot of teams.
There's a lot of turnover onrosters, right, it's hard to,
with the salary cap, keep a lotof guys and keep them around,
and especially when a lot ofmoney sometimes gets tied up in
court franchise quarterbacks,for things of that nature so,
yeah, you need a lot of turnover.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, and like the lack of understanding of having
a good O line, like howimportant that is to winning,
and like we'll get into that.
Everybody wants the great.
You know wide receiver andgreat running back.
But you know you're not goinganywhere without an O line or a
D line.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
So it's like.
No, it's still.
Yeah, football has not changedin 100 years.
I've been saying this forever.
Nobody seems to want to listen.
The game is one in the trenches.
Yes, running game is stillparamount.
Controlling the clock that'swhy the Lions are winning right
now.
The controlling the line ofscrimmage.
Using the run game to controlthe clock you put together me.

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Even the other day, the chiefsbeat the Jets.
They had the ball for the lastseven and a half minutes of the
game.
Right, they ran the ball.
That's.
That's how you win the game,right.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
It hard nose.
Football is what Lombardi usedto say.
It's also unfair.
Sometimes we talk about starquarterbacks who deserve their
day and deserve all the praiseagain, but they most of the time
have unbelievably fantastic Olines Right.
I don't know what fields coulddo if you put them in front of
an incredible O line.
You know what I mean.
So that's the tough part aboutthat position to for sure,

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absolutely.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
But we mentioned, you know, we mentioned Carolina.
We've been talking about thequarterback position.
This has been an interestingyear so far.
The course of major draft class.
Bryce Young, cj Stroud, anthonyRichardson, all taken, I think
it was in the top five picksthree quarterbacks the Colts,
texans and the Panthers and it'sthe quarter mark now of the NFL
season and a lot of folks.
These guys gonna be, they'll be, inextricably linked forever.

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Right, it's the same thing asrivers Manning and Roth was
burger, right, that same classof quarterbacks and they're
always going to kind of be tiedtogether and a lot of folks, and
rightfully so.
We're very, very high on BryceYoung and I think so far he's
been the worst of the threequarterbacks, I would say and
not just looking at numbers now,I'm not going to lie.
Obviously he missed the gamewith injury and obviously, again

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, carolina is probably fartheralong or farther away from being
a winner winning team thenmaybe the Colts and or even the
Texans.
But I mean, look, there's areason why these two teams had
top five picks.
They're not really great ballclubs either, but CJ Stroud has
more 300 yard passing games andJustin Fields now in four games

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in his career and AnthonyRichardson, if they get him some
receivers.
In Indianapolis I watched a lotof that game against the Rams.
Kid can play, kid knows whereto go with the ball, he knows
when the move around the pocket,if he can him to, if he can
stay in the field because I knowhe had already he's already had
a concussion in his career.
Now If he can stay in the field.

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They said that AnthonyRichardson had probably the
highest ceiling of all of thesequarterbacks and right now I
agree that that's probably thetruth and for me, if I'm a Colts
fan, I'm feeling the best sideof everybody, yeah yeah, well,
look, I think today for games,and Stroud is the clear winner
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right, I think if you combine Richardson and Young's
complete yards pass, I thinkit's still not as much as it's
as strong as done this year.
So I mean he's throwing topfive in the league right now.
So I think anytime a rookiecomes in is in the top five,
keeping him on what you said,ray, it's not just him, the team
in front of him plays a bigrole.
But you're, you're up therewith my homes.

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I mean, you're up there withthese guys.
You're obviously doingsomething right now.
With that said, it's so hard togauge rookies at this point.
I think the point is that allthree of them don't look like
they're going to be out of theleague anytime soon.
No, and that's the key, youknow, you never know if a
college quarterback is going totranslate into a great NFL
quarterback.

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You just don't know.
I mean, there's so manyexamples from Brady, although
Carson Wentz, really, when youthink about it, right, so it's
one of those things of.
As of today, stroud is theclear winner of that class, but
I think all three teams have wonand again, it's, you know, as a
fan.
If you're a fan of those teams,it's.
The question is do you feelhope?
All right, you should hope.

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I can tell you right now theTexans and the Colts feeling
hope, for sure, I mean, I thinkyou're right.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I mean, look see, right now CJ Stroud is the best
of the three.
Yeah, I would pick for mepersonally right now, for what
I've seen, I would takeRichardson, I think.
I think Richardson, in the longrun, is going to be the best of
these three.
Sure, sure and yeah, and youngis fine, young is young, he's,
he's going to be.
I think he's like you said,he's going to be fine.
But I think it's going to bereally interesting to see where

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these three guys shake out.
After four games it's.
You're already maybe startingto see some of those early
storylines develop.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, well, look again the difference between
Carolina and Chicago.
Is there's hope in CarolinaLike, oh wow, we're going in a
different direction here.
Right, we're going forward.
So yeah, we'll see what happens.
I mean, if I'm not mistaken, Ithink the culture ahead of the
Texans right now in thestandings too, but it's only
because of a head to head tiebreaker.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Tie breaker.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
So it's.
It's cool for that divisionalone to have those two rookies
going against each other andwe'll see where they land.
You know, one of theinteresting things about young
quarterbacks is there's thishuge gap now at quarterback
where a lot of the legendaryquarterbacks, hall of fame
quarterbacks, are out of theleague now and you've seen that
over the last five, six yearsall of them have retired All

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right.
Now suddenly Mahomes is the topguy.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
He's the elder.
He's the elder statesman of theleague.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, Some that happened real quick.
So you need these young guys tocome in and take a role in it
and you know good on them forstepping up in the first four
games.
I mean, they're, they're there.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, no for sure, it's really interesting.
I mean to be fair.
Carolina almost beat Minnesotathis weekend too In a battle of
O and 3s.
It was, it was the panel.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
There's a lot of O and 3 battles this weekend.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
A lot of O and 3 battles Part of the script.
Part of the script.
Part of the script.
Speaking of this, the script, Iguess Taylor Swift Mania is
sleeping the country, as all theSwifties have now infiltrated
the NFL.
I, for one, welcome them all.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I welcome our new Swift overlords yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
You know, look, if people want to learn about
football and all that, whatevergets them involved, I'm all for
it.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I know there are some folks out there who are being
like I'm so sick of them.
No way to Taylor Swift, getover yourself.
Seriously, they've, they've.
They've done this for yearswith every celebrity in the
press box over the years,whether it was a president,
whether it was a governor,whether it was a superstar like
Tom Hanks or Tim Robbins orwhoever, whether it was sports,

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other players the Rangers alwayscut to the Yankees.
When the Yankees are watchingthe Ranger games, the Rangers
are always cut into the Yankeesare always cut into the Rangers
when they come to watch theYankee game.
Like this is just that's justthe way it is Now.
Could we do with maybe one ortwo less Mike Tarikos Swift
funds?
Absolutely, but like I alsohave to go into the fact that I

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think that Mike Tarikos andChris Collinsworth is there I
the prime time broadcasters ingeneral, they're all terrible.
I hate them all.
I'll Michael's, I'll like, lookI'll.
Michael's was a legend, but itis clear that he is there just
for the Amazon paycheck and he'smailing it is past his prime.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
God bless him.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yes, he look, madden, and some are all new.
When it was time to hang up theheadphones, and for whatever
reason, I mean Jeff Bezos musthave written, and Michael's one
heck of a check to get him tocome out of retirement.
Mike Tarikos and ChrisCollinsworth always terrible.
And Joe Buck and Troy Aikman.
Troy's not as bad, but Joe Buckis, troy is fine.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I've never had a problem with Troy.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I really never had an issue as much with Aikman as
the color guy, but we all hateJoe Buck, so the prime time
broadcast teams are horrendousall around, so that's a whole
different problem, more than theSwifties and Mike Tarikos doing
another tail or swift on.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
So Well, look, you know it's funny, ray, you
brought that up.
I'm not going to say I'msurprised at your answer, but
I'm with you.
I don't have a problem withTaylor Swift and Travis Kelsey.
I'm surprised so many people do.
I will say there's a little bitof mania that's the right word
around it.
What do you expect the NFL todo?
I mean, everyone's talkingabout you.
Want them to not talk about it.
Keep in mind and I'm not goingto dive into it but the mania we

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were talking about years agowas the national anthem.
So, to be fair, this is prettyrefreshing to hear about this.
It's a little reminiscent of ofBarbenheimer right, when Barbie
and Oppenheimer came out at thesame time.
I think this is kind of a postCOVID thing where these unusual
mixtures or chemical balances orimbalances make a problem.

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But look, as you said andextremely wise words, ray it's
bringing a lot of new peopleinto the sport.
Yes, right, and I don't carehow much you know, football fans
should be with open arms, yeah,yeah, welcoming anyone who
wants to be involved in the game, and I think that's exactly why
the NFL is buying it.
Now I will say this also Okay,the thing that makes me kind of

(20:57):
grit my teeth, kind of kind oflike that Is the inevitable fall
of this, when things willinevitably go south.
Yes, and again, I really dowish the best for that situation
.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I'm not 100%.
Yeah, I'm not.
Yeah, the jokes are already outthere.
Where they're talking about,people are talking about, it's
like.
So the average Taylor Swiftrelationship is six weeks.
That means she'll break up withKelsey right before the game
against the Dolphins, whichcould be a huge game for AFC
standings.
And so like people are lookingat that Like people, like I'm

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all for the jokes because yeah,it's like will Taylor's.
The real story line now is willTaylor Swift destroy the Chiefs
Right?
Will she destroy Travis KelseyRight?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
And you know it's funny.
As an Eagles fan, sometimes Ijoke that I hope she ruins the
whole team.
But joking aside, you know thetruth is this.
You know I don't wish you willon anybody, and if they're
having a good time, that's great.
Again, they are going to look.
Let's talk about this, right?
You want a weird little segue.
We don't have to leave sportsbecause we still have to talk
baseball here.
But this story is so big thatWolverine and Deadpool were

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literally in the booth with herand nobody noticed, except for
me and you.
We're like but Deadpool andWolverine are there, they're
right there.
No one talked about that.
Now I will remind everybody,listening from a geek standpoint
.
Six months ago, hugh Jackmanshowed up in a yellow Wolverine
costume.
World lost its frickin mind,yeah, but in the power of Swift,

(22:24):
no we're not.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
By the way, that only has fueled the fire for that
rumor that Taylor Swift is goingto play Dazzler and Deadpool 3.
Yes, so that's a whole otherstory, I know.
Can you imagine that happen?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
of the show Nobody would care.
Football fans, are you going tojoin us in our journey about
should she play Dazzler?
Anyway, look, it was a reallyinteresting thing that, like,
the owner of the Wrexhamfootball club was there and
nobody seemed to care, which isamazing.
It shows you the power of thestory that the fact that they
were there and no one talkedabout that.
In fact, I haven't even seenany Wolverine Deadpool jokes

(23:00):
about.
So long story short.
Yes, it's the story of the dayor the story of the week.
It will definitely die downeventually.
I'm sure at some point Travisand Swift and all the Swifties
will want to just resume theirlife.
Yeah, but you're getting apower.
I do love the jokes like that.
She sold out and she's videosof more football stadiums than
he will this year.
Yeah, I love the internetcontent of just that.

(23:23):
She put Kelsey on the map.
I think all this is very funny,I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, look he now has.
He went from the number 19overall selling jersey to the
number one selling jersey in theNFL.
More chief custom jerseys withhis number and Swiftie on the
back are being sold, or there'ssomething along those lines.
You're you're seeing, and, tobe fair, and there's also some
folks are already trying toburst the bubble.
People were like, well, thelast chief's game had more

(23:49):
ratings than this one.
True, but it was an increase inratings for Sunday Night
Football.
Not as many people watch SundayNight Football as you think,
because Sunday Night Footballsucks most of the time.
It's not a very good gameanymore.
But you know what's funny.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
What's funny is the storyline, for this game was
supposed to be Aaron Rodgersversus Mahomes and they had to
find something that had to giveyou something to watch it for.
So the amount of people thatwatch it just to see if she was
there, hey, whatever, man,whatever, whatever brings people
to the most wonderful sportthere is to watch outside hockey
.
You know, I'm all for it, right?

(24:30):
And the other funny joke and Igotta say this is just in
Philadelphia, we're having a lotof fun with this because we
have a Kelsey and we have aSwift on our team.
Yes, and the jokes of that.
That's the only Kelsey Swiftconnection we really care about
is there.
And a good on the Kelseybrothers for kind of openly
talking about this on NewHeights, which is a fantastic
podcast, if you haven't listenedto it, just really funny.
But their bank, get on this too.

(24:51):
I don't know if you saw, butJason Kelsey brought Jake from
State Farm, who's clearly asponsor of it, and said I can
bring celebrities to, so they'rehaving a lot of fun with it.
And I again yes, it's going tohappen.
You might as well sit back andenjoy it.
When it gets horrible, to thepoint, people are annoyed
they'll stop showing it.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, that's it.
I don't think we're there yet,so just enjoy the couple more
weeks.
Yeah, all right.
Going into a couple specificgames obviously mentioned
Philadelphia a few times.
Eagles and commanders.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
We almost said it, you almost said the old name.
I saw it, I didn't.
But, I didn't, but I didn't,but you didn't, yeah, washington
.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Actually, you know, I almost called them the
Washington football team is whatI wanted.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
That would have been cool.
Let's talk about the commanders.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, the Washington football team.
They have a quarterback, Ithink, in Sam Howell they're not
there yet, but I thinkWashington is definitely a lot
more threatening than they'vebeen in more recent years and
they gave you guys a run foryour money and, honestly, if it

(25:59):
wasn't for a misstep on aforearm, they're on the sideline
on a long third down, anovertime, and then you guys get
the ball back and obviously tookadvantage of it.
That could have been a verydifferent game, but that can get
under the wire and I'll saythis I also am curious about
this.
First off, for those who don'tknow, the Eagles beat Washington
34-31 in overtime.
To go for it, washington tiedit.

(26:20):
Washington tied it on the lastplay of the game, which was at
the very end.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, beautiful drive .

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Really expertly done.
Drive there by Sam Howell.
This is why I really think theydo have a quarterback and
they're going to be a threat.
Much shooter rather than later.
Would you have gone for two?
They are last play 31-30.
Instead of kicking the tyingextra point and going to
overtime, would you have gonefor two?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
No, I don't think so.
Eagles defense is very good.
Number one, I think.
I know it's not red zone wouldbe the term here, but it is very
hard to score that close to theend zone.
I think people don't understandthat fully.
Right, when you run out of room, it's a lot easier for the
defense.
The it's in their other hands.
The other thing too is I mean,if they don't make that

(27:02):
conversion, you might havebroken the team.
Right, everyone can accept themtying it up and losing an
overtime because they came back.
Right, it's very hard to acceptgoing for two and not getting
that overtime opportunity.
So I think they made theabsolutely right call there.
I don't think the defense forthe Eagles were on the heels at
the moment.
You know what I mean.

(27:22):
I think they would have lovedthe opportunity to end the game.
Here's the other thing right,people always talk about those
last second two points for thewin.
They don't talk about that.
It's equally as exciting forthe D.
Right, they can win the gametoo, right?
So it's like the momentum shift.
There is not what people thinkit is.
I also don't think it worksthat off.
I would love to see theconversion numbers on that I

(27:42):
don't think it's in their favor,right.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Keep it in mind.
I want to say it's like 50-50.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, look, here's the other thing.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
All right, maybe slightly in favor of the offense
.
I think Like 53-47 and kind ofthing.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I'll.
We should look that up becauseif that's true, then more teams
probably should try it.
But look, here's the otherthing too.
It's the I almost did it.
Now the commanders won the cointoss in overtime.
I mean, they had a veryopportunity to win that game.
All right, I will say thisabout about that team.
Just going back to earlierconversation, there is a team
with a new culture, new owner,you know, new understanding.

(28:14):
Yes, we want to be great.
We have a quarterback, soyou're seeing that now start to
shine through in their play.
A little bit, I'll also saysomething.
I said something.
I said all of the episodes wehad prior to this that anytime
two NFC East teams come together, I don't care what that, yeah,
I don't care where you are inthe standings, they all can beat
each other.
They always get up for thosegames.
Whether the Eagles are playingGiants, cowboys or commanders,

(28:36):
everyone we're going to killthem.
I just don't say that, yeah,and it's gone reverse.
When the Eagles were not good,we would be the one that would
spoil other teams chances.
So never know.
It was a classic game.
It was a wonderful game towatch.
Obviously, I'm happy the Eagleswon that game.
Now here's the other thing I'mgoing to say about it.
The Eagles have not been, Ithink, the top form that we've

(28:57):
expected, and they're four and 0.
Jalen Hurts actually had abetter game last Sunday, but
they're just warming up.
I mean that team looks reallydangerous if I'm looking at them
right.
They're not playing to theirpotential yet.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I used to say this about the Yankees in the late
90s the Eagles look like they'rejust kind of coasting until
playoff time, right, and thenthat's when they're going to
turn it on.
They are.
This is a team that I feel isbuilt specifically to win in the
playoffs.
They'll win the division.
They might not get the one seedbecause the Niners are also
clicking on all cylinders andall that, but the Eagles look

(29:36):
like they're built to win in theplayoffs.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
I'm saying they will.
They're a super bowl or bustteam right now.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, they're all in, they're all in.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's like the.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Kellysies last year at center.
Like he's likely retiring atthe end of this year, you know
so it's a lot to offer him andpeople are going to rally around
that.
Obviously, last year's loss tothe Chiefs in the Super Bowl
stings a bit for a lot of guys,like there's a chip on a lot of
people's shoulder and, as weknow, the last thing you want is
to face somebody fromPhiladelphia with a chip on

(30:06):
their shoulder.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
So that's fair.
That's what people say about meat Men's League sometimes, but
we're all from Philadelphia, soit doesn't matter.
But I will say this yeah, look,there's only four or five teams
in the league each year.
They're that Super Bowl or bust, and it doesn't always work for
them.
But yeah, I'd say, the Eagles,the Chiefs, the Niners, these
are all teams that should bethere Not only to make it only
one wins.
But yeah, look, it was a greatgame.

(30:29):
I mean, any Eagles fan whowatched that game didn't think
that was a great game.
I don't look at it like I can'tbelieve.
The commanders stayed in there,right?
No, they're not a bad team,they're on the up and coming.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
They're going to disrupt some stuff in the NFC
East.
I would not be surprised if wesplit with them.
Keep in mind this game was inPhilly, right?
All things are pointing thatI'll be at the game in
Washington, so we'll see whathappens.
Oh nice, yes, nice.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
So we talked about Super Bowl or bust.
Let's talk about a couple ofbusts.
Yeah, specifically my New YorkGiants.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Oh, yes, let's talk about the New York Giants
Season's over folks.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Season's over at one and three.
We've got Miami and Buffalonext, what means we won in five,
and then we faced Washington.
So possibly one and six, andthen the Jets, which at that
point we both the teams willprobably have three wins between
them.
We'll both be well out of it.
The game won't matter, it won't.
The Giants, they're going to bein the game, the Giants, I mean

(31:31):
, I will say this I think wehave the right coach, I think we
have the right GM.
I don't.
I still don't think we have theright quarterback.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Have you ever.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well, eli, for a couple of years.
No, I meant.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I meant now, I mean no, I know.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's the thing.
Here's the thing.
I'm not going to deny thatDaniel Jones had a really great
second half of the season lastyear.
Want to play off game.
It looked like he might havebeen turning a corner the Giants
are going to get you.
We're going to get your weapons.
We got, we're going to get youan offensive line.
But to me and I get it was acontract here.

(32:07):
To me you got to say and I saidthis, when this happened you
got to say, do it again.
You got to say do it again incase.
That was a fluke.
And you know, I was talking tomy buddy at Alex last night and
Alex was like most quarterbacksmake a big leap from year two to
year three and you guys gotimpressed because Jones made a
big year leap from year three toyear four.
That's not, that's unusual.

(32:28):
And I'm like you're right, itis unusual.
And it was like was it thecoaches?
Was it finally having theoffensive line?
To be fair, daniel Jones had,like a couple of different head
coaches, several offensivecoordinators Not easy to when
you look at somebody like anAlex Smith all those years ago
in San Francisco and hestruggled and he struggled and
he struggled Finally got someconsistency and he excelled,

(32:50):
right.
Could this have been thatsituation with Daniel Jones?
We now know no, daniel Jones ata Duke is a piece of garbage.
Okay, he is a bum.
He should never have gotten afour year $160 million contract.
I said it in the moment.
I said it would never have goneabove three years and I
definitely wouldn't have givenhim that much money.

(33:12):
And if he walked, so be it,that's it.
You just let him walk Goodbye.
Because here's the other thing.
You played hardball withSeyquan Barkley as well.
You should have the Seyquanproving again.
He's injury prone.
He's not he.
While he's on the field he'sgreat.
But also the problem with theGiants offense and Daniel Jones
in particular 60% of the Giantsoffense comes from Seyquan

(33:35):
Barkley.
That is a problem.
You can't.
As much as I love the runninggame and as much as I love
winning the game in the trenches, you can't win in the NFL when
60% of your offense comes fromone guy.
Oh and, by the way, even withall that extra offense, the
Giants only average three morepoints a game when he's on the
field.
Without Barkley, the Giantsscore 17.

(33:58):
You're not going to win a lotof games in the NFL scoring 17
points.
But even with Barkley, theyonly score 20.
You're still not going to win alot of games in the NFL.
You'll score 20 points a game.
Okay, daniel Jones now is one in12 in his career in prime time.
That is the worst record by farin NFL history.

(34:20):
He has more career turnoversthan he does touchdowns.
I'm sorry, you made a mistake.
You guaranteed Daniel Jones hada dope almost $90 million, four
years, 160 million and now theGiants mark my words.

(34:40):
They're going to look like theBears in the next couple of
years because, despite havingthe right coach and despite
maybe having the right GM, weare now in such salary cap hell
that we are not going to be ableto resign to anyone.
The only reason why we have ateam on the field right now is a
multitude of one year contracts.

(35:01):
We are going to be picking upevery scrub off the street.
Call up Vince Papali, forChrist's sake, because that's
where we're going to be soon.
Because the Giants got fooled.
They fell into the trap the waythe Cowboys did against the
Cardinals last week.
The Giants fell into the trap.
They fell in love with DanielJones all over again because he

(35:21):
played good for 12 games out ofthe last 60 of his freaking
career.
He was a fluke and you paid himtoo much money.
Did he deserve a new contract?
I would have given him twoyears, 80 million.
I would have given him twoyears.
Sure, I would have even givenhim three years.
I would have said three years,90 million.
Three years Stay under the cap.
You gave him four years $160million, you more.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Well, right, this is over.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Stop watching.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
It looks to be over.
I'll say this about DanielJones.
Do you think I'm being honesthere?
That contract to me is someonein the organization saying I
need to save my job.
We picked this guy and we needhim to work, so we're going to
put all our confidence into him.
I know the guy is not there.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
The guy who picked him was already fired.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
I wonder if it's an organizational thing.
We got to go all in on this kidand it's just not working.
And the thing is even with thegood second half.
Last year we had conversationsabout this.
I just wasn't convinced.
It was a great time to movethem.
It was a great time to let themwalk and there's plenty of good
quarterbacks in the market.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
They could have brought in.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Absolutely I don't know, man.
Sometimes I wonder if the NewYork Giants get lost in the New
York isms of that team.
And then magic is possible andit's just, you know.
Again, taking my own fandom outof it, I just I don't think I
would have made that bet.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Not for that much money and not for that length of
contract.
It's easy, in hindsight, eventhree.
But as soon as I, I wouldn'thave resigned him.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I would not have resigned him.
That's what I'm trying to say.
I would have looked, I wouldhave drafted.
You know, if you wanted to keepthem here, I would have drafted
.
There's plenty of people todraft last year, yeah, all right
.
So it's just a lot of this, Ithink, is the New York Giants.
I know we're going to look likegeniuses if this works out and
we're the Giants and everythingalways works out.
That's just not true.
And again, when you're, 60% ofoffense gets hurt because

(37:28):
there's going to be targetedevery game, it's going to get
really bleak.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, and to be fair, look, and here's the thing.
I know that the Giantsoffensive line is still banged
up, like the whole left side ofthe line is banged up, but there
were still things that were onDaniel Jones right when he got
hit on the blind side of thatfumble, everybody in the stadium
except for him knew the blitzwas coming from that side.
You could see the corner on theline ready to go.

(37:55):
Your job as the quarterback islike hey, tight end, tight end,
come over here, stop him.
He's going to do block andthat's before play.
That is simple, I mean.
And again we go back to TroyAikman.
Troy Aikman was like that's onthe quarterback.
The quarterback needs torecognize that blitz.
It's his fifth year in theleague.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Again, I'm done Right .
I am dumbfounded that they haveinvested in Daniel Jones.
He's never shown any Again,even the second half.
He's never shown anything thathe's going to be the guy.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
No.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
To me he's a good career backup.
Sure Right, he's a guy who,like a Chase Daniel or something
.
If you need an emergency,somebody to put a shot in the
arm or something, like your guy,your main guy, goes down, then
you can bring in Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, I could see him .
I'm going to franchisequarterback.
I could see him being a NickFoles for sure.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yes, absolutely.
I wouldn't even go that highLike.
I said I wouldn't go, NickFoles high, but like he could be
a backup, he's a serviceablequarterback.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
He's going to be a backup next year, a very high
paid backup.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
I mean, if they're smart, I mean, and look, here's
the thing he's guaranteed.
I think 88 million.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I think it was the actual agent credit.
I mean, they did it.
They did it great on their end.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I get you.
Yeah, tyron Taylor, we his acontract expires this year,
draft somebody and thentransitional year, next year,
start over and then start over.
You got to start over becausehe's not the guy.
I'm sorry.
He's the fact that he's in thefifth year and he's still
throwing pick sixes on the goalline.

(39:32):
Again, the Giants defense youreally can only bring the Giants
defense for 10 points.
Last they lost 24 to three.
On Monday night football, theSeahawks Jones didn't recognize
the Blitz, got hit on the blindside, fumbles it at the nine and
obviously the next play theSeahawks score a touchdown.
And then the pick six.
The Giants are finally driving,finally doing something 97 yard

(39:54):
return which, by the way, devinWitherspoon is going to be a
superstar.
The Seahawks really got a stealwith the number five pick.
I think overall six pick withthat kid.
That kid was phenomenal.
If that kid plays againsteverybody else, he does the
Giants.
That kid is going to be a firstballot hall of famer, but
anyway, he looked amazing lastnight and he had that pick six.
That's on Daniel Jones, evenDave.

(40:14):
This is why I still think wehave the right coach.
Dave will got his face and islike what the hell, are you
doing what?
He threw the tablet at himBecause it's sickening for
everybody.
Now, at this point, even thecoaches are sick of him.
Good, good, good.
But again, and this goes backto the thing that I said four
years ago you never draft aquarterback out of Duke.

(40:38):
Let's talk baseball.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Hashtag never draft a quarterback out of Duke.
Spark like wildfire.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Baseball playoffs.
He's holding up the bracket.
If you're watching the YouTubebaseball.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Hey, wait, before we get into this, let's talk about
this, because the last time wedid a show I wasn't too
favorable at the MLB, and I wantto say that over the last few
years because they obviouslylisten to our show they've made
some really great changes thathave made the game more
enjoyable, including the pitchclock, including not letting
people do a lot of performance,enhancing drugs again, and also

(41:15):
just generally have tightened upthe league to a point where
it's more enjoyable to watch.
And I wanted to say thatbecause I don't want to sound
like a hypocrite here in thisnext section, because I was very
critical of the MLB.
But I also want to say thatthey have done a great job, in
my opinion, over the last twoseasons, of really rectifying a
lot of the problems and makingit a much more enjoyable game to
watch.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I am a fan of the pitch clock as well.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yes, although they have really done a horrible job
with their greatest athlete in100 years at allowing him to
become probably better than heshould be, and it looks like
next year he'll be someplacebetter, so we'll see what
happens.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, we will, obviously.
I mean, we'll do a hot stoveepisode later in the year.
But yeah, shohei Otani, what asin.
The Angels and, to be fair, theAngels went all in this year.
The Angels went all in, tradedfor everybody, and then Otani
got hurt, trout got hurt again,several of the guys they
acquired got hurt.
Like that is just a snake bitfranchise ever since that, frank

(42:10):
Disney, disney was smart,disney Angels won the World
Series in 2002.
And Disney sold them and theyhaven't been that good.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
We made our movie, we got a World Series.
We're out.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
That's it.
That's it.
Everything that Disney sellsdies.
That's a fact.
So there's a reason why they'reselling them folks.
There's a reason why, yeah, Imean, the Angels are just
absolutely snake bits.
So, yeah, the Angels aren't inthe playoffs.
Neither am I Yankee.
My Yankees lead top mentionedculture earlier.
Boy, the culture in there isabsolutely a mess.

(42:42):
Aaron Judge basically said asmuch in his in his post comments
of the final game of the year,basically calling out talking
kind of a backhanded shot at thefront office and a lot of the
other things.
The Yankees finished 82 and 80.
They do continue their streakof 31 straight years finishing
above 500, but missed theplayoffs by seven games.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
That is not a Yankee standard.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, it doesn't really care, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I hate to group the Yankees with the Mets, right,
but it is a great example ofthat.
I'm going to call it a New Yorkmentality of hey, you're here,
we should win, we bought thebest players, you should win.
It's not enough when you havethe other greatest baseball
player playing in 100 yearssaying that it's not good back
here when you're the Yankees.

(43:27):
No excuses, and make no mistake, I'll say this the baseball
world needs the evil empire.
I'm saying this sarcastically.
You need that presence becauseit makes the game better.
Right, so for that team tocollapse.
Now the Mets I kind of gloatabout.
But it's like the same thing Ifyou bought the whole world and
guess what?
It doesn't work that way.

(43:49):
Right Again, Yankee's highpayroll, mets high payroll out
of the playoffs.
The small ones are in theplayoffs.
Low play role.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
The other thing is the league changes.
Yes, in the league.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Not just the American league, yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Orioles?
No, it is the American league,because the Braves are number
one overall.
I don't talk about them In theleague.
No, I know, I know the Orioles.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
The.
It's the first time Baltimore'shad 100 wins since 1980.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
We weren't born the last time the Orioles won this
many games.
And the thing is, this is thething Wasn't Ripken a rookie?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Ripken was even there .

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, that's 83.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I'm thinking of you're right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
So the thing is is the game has changed with the.
They've gotten rid of the shift.
They made the bases bigger withthe first 40 70 man this year.
In terms of Ronald Acuna Jr,who should be the, MVP.
He should.
Yeah, they, they, it, it.
The Yankees are still trying tohit home runs when everybody

(44:55):
else, when baseball has healeditself and small ball is good
enough to win ball games,hitting runs, singles, stolen
bases, the baseball, yeah, walkhome run doesn't work anymore.
Yeah, Because now too many guysare just striking out the
Yankees the game have passed theYankees by in a lot of ways

(45:16):
which is amazing when you thinkabout the money ball aspects of
things.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
And again, I look the one thing I'm a believer in in
cyber metrics and things likethat but the one thing they
can't do is that team culture.
And when you look at the teams,the Orioles, how they went in,
they finally have a good teamculture.
They believe you know theydon't, they weren't expected to
be there, but they are Right, Iget.
Look at, firstly, you can lookat the Dodgers.
There's a team, they have ateam culture, whether you want
them to or not, houston has ateam culture.

(45:42):
The Braves, probably one of themost steady and consistent team
cultures in all of baseballhistory.
So again, it's annoying to me,but it's amazing at the same
time.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yes, so we we dancing around the playoffs.
Let's actually talk about thebracket.
We've actually got games.
The first wild card games aregoing on as we're speaking.
Yeah, in fact, actually theRangers took game one four to
nothing.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
That's not a surprise to me.
They're going to.
They're going to go rightthrough to the next round.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I agree wholeheartedly.
I think they're angry and TampaBay is really too banged up and
we're going to get into some ofour.
Some of the things thatobviously wonder Franco is going
to do is they're going to goright through to Tampa Bay
because of all the allegationsagainst him, and rightfully so.
There's a obviously innocentuntil proven guilty, but the
evidence against him is a lot,it seems.

(46:32):
But yeah, so the Tampa Bay, thefact that got to the playoffs,
I think, is enough for them.
They, they lost their numberone starter a couple of months
ago.
They are banged up and they are.
They limped into the playoffsand the Rangers, to me, should
win this series in advance.
The twins, surprisingly, are upon Toronto three.
Nothing in game one.
We'll see if they hold on,because, to me, I think that I

(46:54):
thought, I thought Toronto wouldroll right over the twins and
I'll still predict, I'm stillgoing to predict this.
I still think Toronto shouldbeat Minnesota, I still think
Texas should beat Tampa, andthen I think it would be Texas
versus Orioles, orioles I, I,I'm not going to lie, I believe
and I think Houston would beToronto, then I think it would
be Baltimore versus Houston inthe ALCS, and I think the

(47:16):
Orioles are going to win theirfirst pennant in our I think it
yeah in our lifetimes.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Probably, I think the 83, I think was the last one.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
So look.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I'll say this, looking at storylines here right
, texas is pissed because theylost out the last game of the
season of being in the top oftheir division.
Yeah, this is this is what Ithink.
All right, if the Orioles beatsTexas, I actually think they go
to the World Series.
Okay, yeah, I agree with thatsaid.
Texas wants Houston.
They want them bad, so I thinkthat Texas wants to get to the,

(47:53):
the ALCS, to make sure that theymeet up with Houston, and I
think Texas could actually go tothe World Series this year,
where they will lose.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
but yeah, whoever wins, the American League is
going to lose Now.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I will say this if, if Baltimore and Houston come
out of their their divisionalseries, it's going to be really
interesting to see what happens.
I want Baltimore to succeed,just cause it hasn't happened.
And look the the.
I've never met a mean O's fanever Right.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
So it's they've been very humble for a very long time
.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, for good reason , right.
But I'll be honest with you,right, like the Yankees aren't
there.
You know, sometimes I pull forthe Yankees for you, that's not
a joke, you know I'm.
Sometimes my friends are there,it doesn't bother me till they
get to the series.
And obviously, as as an NL fan,you want to take on the Yankees
in the World Series, but withthem not there.
Storyline wise, I'd love to seethe Orals, but I'm I'm very
much in an anyone but Houstonboat.
I still have not forgiven them,not just for last year, but

(48:44):
just for everything over thelast few years.
So I think my wild card, mydark horse, I think Texas could
angrily drive themselves all theway to the series.
I think that, okay, that'sabsolutely possible.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Absolutely possible.
I think that's a fairassessment that whoever wins
Baltimore, Texas could win theAmerican League.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I think that's a fair If Baltimore wins that now that
, now they're, they're playoffminded, now they're ready.
The only thing about Baltimorethat makes me nervous is like
they haven't faced a tremendousamount of adversity in the
stress column this year.
I'm not saying they didn't haveadversity as a baseball team
and it's like, yeah, that firstplayoff series you have in a
long time.
You can get punched in themouth if you're not careful.

(49:23):
Yep, right, so they better beready.
They don't have experience,right when the Rangers do so so
we're going to see what happenshere.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Some of the Rangers do yes, yeah, more than the
Orals, definitely more than the.
Orals, Absolutely, Absolutely.
And meanwhile, in the NationalLeague I mean, I know you hate
me to say this, Lee I reallyjust think the Braves are going
to win it all.
I think the thing is the Bravesyear again.
Just such a stacked team.
It's an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Here's the deal, and yeah, I'm going to be a little
bit of a Homer here.
The Phillies look verydangerous to me.
They look angry, they look veryupset that they did not win the
World Series last year.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
So well, especially when Angel Hernandez is at third
base as the Empire, they'revery, very I mean I'm glad you
brought that up.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
So for those who don't know, bryce Harper went
off on Angel Hernandez on a Chex.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
And rightfully so.
By the way, I am totally inBryce Harper's court.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
But the game didn't matter.
So this shows you how ragethese guys are to win Right, and
obviously I watch a lot ofPhillies and I see them.
So yeah, I'm obviously veryhopeful.
Now this is the deal.
I agree with you, Ray, thatAtlanta is too strong.
It depends.
I'm assuming the Phillies aregoing to win their series right.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I agree, I believe the Phillies will beat Miami
Absolutely.
And I'm going to say, I'm goingto say, I'm actually going to
say now, I'm going to change mymind.
I'm going to say theDiamondbacks are going to beat
the Brewers.
Now that because?
Now, because Brandon Woodruff,who's the number two pitcher for
the Brewers, is now going tomiss the entire playoffs.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
He got hurt like the last couple of days.
It is a huge loss.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
So I will say this.
Actually, this is what I'llspecifically say Zach Galen
Corbin Burns, ace versus Ace.
Whoever wins game one of thatseries wins the series.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, well, interesting.
I don't think either of thoseteams is going past Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
And that's all.
And that's also true because Idon't think it really matters
once it gets out of the way.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Right.
So this is what I'm going tosay Atlanta is by far the
strongest team in the league,right, yeah, if the Phillies win
their series and get to Atlantaand they are the Phillies from
last year's playoffs who areunstoppable.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
They handle the Dodgers no problem.
Yeah, the Dodgers are banged up.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
The Dodgers don't have a lot of that, yeah, so I'm
going to say that my dark horseis the Phillies.
I have to say it like thatbecause I can't ignore Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I would agree with that completely.
I would go Atlanta one and Iwould go Philadelphia two.
I would agree with thatcompletely.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
They're ready to win.
And here's the thing is that,as a coach and as a team builder
, there's the storyline it'salmost entirely the same team,
but better than last year, andthey are hungry.
They are hungry.
I don't know if you saw thistoo, but you know Michael Renzen
, who threw a no hitter.
It's first that outing.
We didn't even include him onthe playoff roster.
That's how deep the Philliesare.
Oh, wow, right, yeah, we wereusing him as a closer and they

(52:06):
left them off the roster forthis series, right.
So Phillies are hungry.
And if you're able to leave aguy like Lorenzen off, that
should tell you how deep theyare.
And again, look, I have to lookat the stats, but I believe the
Phillies if you look at thePhillies in Atlanta post the
trade turner, standing ovation,I think the Phillies are

(52:28):
actually the better team, right.
So it's an interesting thinghere.
I just I'm looking forward forthat battle, because that's
going to be an absolute battle,right.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
If the Phillies pitching can shut down Atlanta's
bats right you will score yourruns against Atlanta's pitching
yes and you can win that series.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Keep in mind too.
Question of the week.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Can you limit Acunha and Olson?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
and the damage the heart of Atlanta.
I can't answer that, but I cantell you that Shorber is hitting
like crazy, turner is hittinglike crazy.
Bryce Harper is gettingstronger every game.
Yeah, there is a very, verysmall chance, extremely small
chance, that we get some otherplayers back by the World Series
, like a Reese Hoskins.
Yes, I know what that said.

(53:10):
I don't know if we want tobring Reese Hoskins in for a
late playoff game.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
You never know.
You know.
Then the Cubs, then the Cubs dothat with Shorber in 2016.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I believe they did, and now he plays with us.
So, it's one of those things ofit could work A lot of a lot of
storylines there and, yes, I ama Philly's fan but I really am
enjoying that team.
I really hope for them to go along way this year and if they
do lose, I hope I hope it is toan Atlanta which is it's a
worthy opponent.
Right, you don't want to go outagainst the Marlins in the
first round?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
No, no for sure, Right For sure.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
So my dark horse picks are Philly's Rangers.
I would not mind seeing BravesOrioles Class of, I think yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I think, yeah, I think I think Braves Orioles is
the betting man's pick.
I think I think Braves to winit all, obviously.
And then I think that, but yes,I do think Rangers Phillies
could absolutely happen.
I think that's absolutely awithin the realm of possibility.
So, yeah, I love the wild card.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
We I know this is years old.
I love the wild card games.
I love what they've done.
Yes, just another reason liketo love the MLB right now.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Well, they, finally, they finally.
They took them 30 years.
They finally caught up to theNFL model.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, and it works, and it works, and it's it's
three games.
It's exciting.
I remember those one gameplayoffs were like what are you
doing?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
I hated the one game playoff Right.
I hated there's only one.
Winner was Yankees and won someof those.
They lost some of those.
I hated the one game.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
There's only one sport that should have one game
playoffs, and it's football.
Yeah, right, and the MLB, Iguess, say it done a great job.
There's been no crazy stuffthat's happened.
The baseball has been good.
The only the only controversywill talk about this in a future
episode Now is the umpires andthe and the and the calls, which
is the next change, and I'msure in 2062, it's.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
They have it in the minor leagues, where you can
challenge balls and strikes hasto have it should.
It should be allowed at the bigleague level.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
at this point, now that you have the pitch clock,
it has to happen.
Absolutely 100 or take thatdamn rectangle off my TV please
100 percent.
Please take that off my toes.
I don't want to know it onlyinfuriates us more.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, speaking of something that was a little
infuriating, we mentioned, wementioned the Wander Franco
accusations and again he isgoing to have his day in court.
It does not look good, but itis not our job to pass judgment.
That will happen in a court oflaw, and we can, once he's found
guilty.
Oh, exactly, with one he's foundguilty, we will be like once
he's found guilty, he should goto jail for the rest of his life

(55:41):
, in my opinion, for thisparticular crime, like that's
simple, but he still has notbeen found guilty yet.
And I think that is somethingthat we need to talk about,
because I think, especiallysomething that happened in the
pandemic and I think thatstarting to the pendulum,
starting to come back to normalright, where the court, the
social court of social media,the court of public opinion,

(56:03):
started to trump the court ofjustice, the court of law, the
actual courts, right, and Ithink that what happened with
one particular and we've nowheard several stories of false
accusations against people, andevery accusation should be taken
seriously and should be, shouldbe investigated to its fullest
right, and we need to say thatright, it's not who pooing on
the accusations, but if thoseaccusations are found to be

(56:28):
false, then that's it.
You have to then move on andallow the individual who was
accused to go back to his life,because just because he was
accused does not mean he wasguilty.
And in the case of one, trevorBauer, who and again, look, even
he admits he's a loud mouth onsocial media he ruffled a lot of

(56:49):
you know, he rattled a lot ofcages and ruffled a lot of
feathers at the majorly baseballfront office because he liked
to run his mouth.
That does not mean that theaccusations for what he was
charged he was charged for hewasn't even charged.
Actually, for those who don'tknow, he was accused of sexual
assault.
The judge threw the case out.
It was basically like there isno evidence of what this woman

(57:13):
was claiming.
Then people are like, well, whyis nothing being said?
Because Trevor then sued thewoman who accused him for libel,
I believe, and you know,defamation of character and
whatnot.
She then countersued him andthere was a civil case.
And whenever things are incivil litigation the public
doesn't know Right.
But people automaticallyassumed that Trevor Bauer was

(57:37):
guilty because he wasn'tdefending himself.
But he couldn't publicly defendhimself because of the case
that was ongoing.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, it's because people don't know how the law
works, right.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Because nobody teaches civics anymore.
Don't get me started on that.
True, but I know I saw an oldman there.
But it is the truth, folks.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I had it off my lawn Right.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
But what ended up happening is that now those
cases have been have beenlitigated and actually they've
come to the decision thatthey're both going to drop their
mutual lawsuits because and itwas actually her lawyers that
proposed that because afterdiscovery, which is where they
go looking for evidence it wasfound that she had absolutely no
case and in fact, actually ifthat had gone to court, Trevor

(58:19):
would have won his lawsuitbecause there was so much
evidence of her false claimsagainst him that it would have
been a slam dunk, and so shedropped her case on the
condition that he drops is andthat's it.
And Trevor Bauer came outpublicly, released all the
evidence that his lawyers hadmade in discovery, or at least

(58:39):
some of it anyway.
And now it is time for baseballto apologize to Trevor Bauer
and let him return from hisexile from Japan and make his
money and go pitch from somebodyIf somebody wishes to sign him.
I don't think it's going tohappen.
I think it's going to getblacklisted, still like Colin
Kaepernick, because he's goingto be Kaepernick, because he
again he's been labeled as atroublemaker.

(58:59):
But I think that we need tounderstand that Trevor Bauer was
falsely accused and he didnothing wrong, and that is the
truth, and the truth has beenreleased, and the truth should
set him free.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Well, I think it has, and the video that he made he
released recently, I think wasactually really well done in
terms of going through all theevidence and showing why he's
innocent.
But I think, at the large part,right here, there's lessons to
be learned from everyone.
I think professional athletesneed to learn from this example
of when you have a godlikeamount of money, people are
going to come after it.
People can say whatever theywant nowadays and ruin your

(59:37):
career, so you really need towatch yourself and be smart.
The smart ones stay in theshadows.
Obviously.
I think the other thing to dois that the gotcha side of
society, or the ruining ofpeople's reputations.
We got to stop with theprofessional outrage.

(59:57):
Again, it's very easy to lookat someone and say, of course
they did, that we have courtsfor a reason.
If we're willing to sacrificeour court system, which is not
perfect in any way, but if we'rewilling to sacrifice that we're
going to be a lot more troublethan we are now.
The law is very important.
It is what guides us.
The ability to change the lawis one of the founding

(01:00:18):
principles of this country.
That needs to keep happening.
Mistakes are made so we canlearn and grow from them.
The reliance of the court ofpublic opinion is very dangerous
to me.
I think we are voting electedofficials on that, which is not
a new thing per se, but it's alot more prevalent now, intense
now, than it's been in the past.

(01:00:39):
I hate to say this.
I miss when politics was boringand I miss when legislation and
law was boring, because thingstended to be better in terms of
the decisions being made and itwasn't all this public outrage.
Again.
We're living in a time whereeveryone can express their
opinion in a public forum.
That's what's different.
I think too many people arewilling to jump on to somebody

(01:01:01):
else's thoughts because theysupport them or they like them,
or they have an agenda that theywant to be true.
And the truth is that if it wasyou, you would want the truth
to come out.
So you give power credit fordoing this.
The right way to first, onreputation Again, he has so much
money, he'll be fine, sure, Ifeel too bad for the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
No for sure, but I think there is a big difference
between having to pitch in Japanand having to pitch and being
able to pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Totally, totally agree with that.
So we'll see what happens, butyeah, that was an interesting
story that came out Again, bauer, using social media to say this
case.
That's another aspect of sportsthat's changing things.
Athletes can express themselvestoo.
So, yeah, I'm glad that's tobed, though, and that it's done.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yes, I agree, and I think the thing is is that also
is baseball?
I think baseball needs to bebetter.
We talk about baseball beingbetter as a whole, and it has
been.
I think in this case you knowthey have.
Now Julio Arias, who was foundguilty as a domestic abuser, was
suspended for a year and thencame back.

(01:02:03):
Well, now he's been convictedagain as a domestic abuser.
And now he's being banned forprobably going to be banned for
life.
And the thing is, is, honestly,if you're found guilty of this
stuff, banned for life Firsttime, first offense, domestic,
sexual, any of these abuse cases?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I just set a standard .

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
You're done, yeah, you're done, yeah set a standard
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
You're found guilty.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
You should not be allowed to play professional
baseball.
That is a privilege that peoplewould kill you for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Again, to be fair, I don't know of any profession
that would let you come back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Exactly, and that's why it's.
It's ridiculous to me thatthere are folks like a role
that's Chapman still in baseballand you know again Julio Arias
I mean now he.
Now he's been removed, but it'shappened over these.
Roberto Asuna, there have beenmany, many, many cases over the
last several years of theseindividuals.
One and done you get convictedof domestic abuse or sexual

(01:03:01):
abuse or whatever this is.
You get found guilty, you'regone.
Bottom line, no more one yearsuspension no more.
Suspension no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Done.
What are you saying to women?
With that, you're only worthone year.
I mean, it's just, it'sridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Domingo Hermon.
Perfect example for the.
I mean, look, I hope for himand his family and his children.
I hope he gets his problemsolved, but I never want to see
him on a baseball field everagain.
So that's him.
I hope for him Again.
I hope for his family, I hopefor his kids.
I hope for him as a person thathe gets his life figured out.

(01:03:41):
Never again are you allowed ina baseball stadium as a player.
That's it, you're done.
Sorry, I feel like this.
This should be, this should bea zero tolerance thing.
I don't know, I'd call me crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
No, I don't think anybody would disagree.
We'll make sure we ask that inthe comments this week.
Do you think domestic abuseshould be allowed back in
professional sports?
I think it's a pretty easy one.
Yeah, look, I mean ourpriorities are messed up, right.
That's what it comes down to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Yeah, that's what it feels like, so, anyway.
So that's baseball segment forthe week Baseball, baseball.
Sorry, I had to end on a dowernote there, but you know
something else that'sinteresting when we talk about
trades, we're talking aboutdrafts, we're talking about free
agents, all this other stuffearlier in the show.
Interesting things happening inthe world of wrestling.
Wwe has signed Jade Cargill,the former TBS champion at AEW.

(01:04:40):
She had won I think it was 53or 54 straight matches to start
her career and then they let hergo.
She dropped the belt and theylet her go.
And then AEW signed AdamCokland, aka Edge, the rated R
superstar.
He just made his debut at thenew WrestleDream pay-per-view
this past Sunday against his oldtag team partner in WWE,

(01:05:02):
christian.
Interesting moves are going onhere, lee, and it's starting to
feel like in the community thatAEW is either a developmental
slash, retirement home for a lotof folks and that WWE is still
where you want to be If you'rein your prime.
What do you think of thesemoves in wrestling that you have

(01:05:23):
this amazing which, by the way,also AEW to me is really
screwing up their women'sdivision.
They really need to not letpeople like Jade Cargill go.
This is a huge win for WWE.
What do you think overall?
Because there seems to be thistrend where the prime talents of
AEW are going to WWE in theirprime and then either people are
looking to cut their teeth inAEW or the old folks at WWE are

(01:05:45):
looking for one more glory runor one more paycheck over at AEW
.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Well, I have a hot take on this, ray, I think you
might enjoy.
I think people need to startfollowing the money here.
Nxt was not doing it and peopleneeded arrival.
They needed WCW versus WWFagain, and it's been very
suspicious to me.
I haven't seen much infightingbetween the two organizations.

(01:06:11):
They seem to coexist verypeacefully, which makes me think
that they both want this.
My hot take is that not onlyare they significantly aware of
each other, but they're actuallyhelping each other.
I'm not saying that WWE issending people like Edge to AEW,
but I am saying that they bothknow they need each other to
exist, whether it's a retiringhome or training place or

(01:06:34):
whatever.
It's exactly what the WWE needsright now to have a
conversation of.
What are you watching tonight?
The peak of the WWF?
The peak was when WCW and theMonday Night at Wars was going
on.
Yeah, you had a two-hour Genius.
Probably Triple H, I believe,engineered this and allowed it
to happen.
The WWE did nothing to stop AEWfrom coming to power.

(01:06:57):
They're doing nothing to stopsuperstars from going back and
forth.
So I think that, in a way,these two groups are in cahoots.
I really would not be shockedif Triple H and Y2J are having
conversations about what are youdoing this week?
I would fully expect it to behappening.
You know it's better forwrestling Now.
I'd love to hear your thoughtson that because again, I'm not

(01:07:19):
seeing anything and the WWE isabsolutely right to kind of
quote unquote ignore them rightnow.
Let them get big, let them cometo power, it's fine.
I'll curtain their ratings andagain follow the money AEW is
not making anywhere near, noteven close what WWE is making.
That is what my gut tells me.
That's what I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Right, but they are still making good money.
I'm not, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
I'm not saying they're not making anything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I'm saying they're thinking to compare the two.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
It's not close.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I don't think that they're in cahoots, quite to
your point, but I definitelythink that both organizations
look at the other like and Ithink that wrestling as a whole
looks at this like and, by theway, I should also mention that
impact.
You know, formerly TNA is also,as a third alternative, doing
very, very well and, to me, isactually putting out the best
writing of any wrestling showright now in my opinion, and

(01:08:12):
probably definitely has the bestwomen's division Right Like the
knockouts division in impact.
Trump's what the WWE women aredoing and the AEW women are
doing, and that's partiallybecause Tony Khan doesn't know
how to book in my.
Tony Khan doesn't know how tobook big men, he doesn't know
how to book women and that isobviously clear that he's the
guy with the pencil in the backand he does great with all these

(01:08:32):
high flyers and submissionspecialists and the guys that he
loved growing up.
He needs somebody to help himbecause poor guys like Wardlow
and Hobbs and Brian Cage and thewhole women's division, they
are being left in the dust andI'm sure they're being paid well
and compensated for theirservices, but boy, it feels like
that that talent is not beingused to its full potential over

(01:08:54):
there.
But again, that's just as anoutsider looking in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
No, look, I'll say this too, just taking a step
back.
The thing with the Monday NightWars and this is where my
thought process keeps going isthat you know you were fighting
for airtime at that time, Likeyou had to choose.
It's not the way the worldworks anymore.
You could watch all of this allthe time.
You can get it on replay, youcan watch it live.
It's not like you're combatingeach other, right?
Everything's available.
So I think that that's alsopart of the mentality of like

(01:09:19):
there's enough for everybody.
Watch what you want, Right?
You're always going to comeback to us.
If it the WWE, that's probablywhere their mindset's at, but it
doesn't take much for you tohave to go back to the WWE.
I mean, look, look, DwayneJohnson came back for a night.
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I had taken a break from WWE and as soon as they
said that the rock was showingup, as soon as I thought the
rock was on SmackDown.
I'm back.
I'm back, baby it just they gotme.
They got me.
I'm a mark, they got me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, that's how it works.
I mean, like I said, like wetalked about this about, it's
the old girlfriend kind ofmentality.
The old boyfriend mentality istend to go back Right If someone
that you cared about or youinvested in is there.
So yeah, I'm.
I've eagerly been watching thebusiness side of these
organizations and I think thatthey are absolutely thriving on

(01:10:09):
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
I also want to get businesses, businesses good at
every company.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah, well, and again , professional wrestling needed
this.
It was getting very stagnant100%.
So again, the more people thatare talking, the more people
that are doing this, the betterit is for wrestling.
I want to give a quick shoutout.
If you're new to wrestling,there's a podcast for you called
the new to wrestling podcastthat our friend Xavier runs.
You should check that out.
He's going through the entireattitude era right now with his
co-host and experiencing it forthe first time and the second

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time, depending on how you lookat the show.
Check that out, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
You know, and speaking of you know, this is a
great time to mention.
Something new is we havesponsors.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Partners, partners, partners, partners, sponsors,
partners, partners, partners,partners, partners, people that
are partnering with us in asponsorship capacity for the
greater good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yes, and the first one I have it right here and I
have to mention is our friendsover at cut scene.
So cut scene is great becauseif you're like me now in the
weekends, it's not so muchbecause I'll just play games
till five in the morning andthen I'll just go to bed.
But during the week it's hardfor me to come down and turn the
Xbox off at 12 or 12 30 andthen go right to bed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Every gamer that ever existed.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Yes In history.
So I will also say this, nowthat now the instructions
recommend one to two scoops, andyours truly made the mistake of
going straight to two scoopswith this first time, trying it.
Start with one and see what youneed.
I will say that much.
But honestly, within an hour itsays it takes about an hour and
I would say every time,consistently, within an hour I

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get super sleepy and I can go tobed and I wake up feeling
pretty refreshed, pretty readyto go, because I'm not staring
at the ceiling till three in theend, which is what usually
would happen when I stop playinggames at 12, 12, 30, because I
just keep thinking it's like,well, okay, tomorrow when I
start playing again, if I dothis, this and this, all right,
if I go around this way and Iflank them, then I'll have a

(01:12:04):
better chance to possibly takeout the weak point.
And I start and I do gears Don'tstop turning.
Cut scene helps the gear stopturning.
So, honestly, they are greatand I think we just found we
have a code that if you go tocut scenes sleepcom, yes and
make a purchase and use code G WL S yes, right, that's Geeks

(01:12:26):
who like sports.
G W L S.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
You get a nice little discount.
You do get a nice littlediscount.
And again, it's funny, right,my story with this and just so
everybody knows we have bothtried this we did a lot of
vetting and research, checkedwith some doctors about this
just to make sure this was whatwe said.
It was because we're not goingto bring anything to you that we
don't believe in.
My story is the opposite, right, In the sense that when I go to
play hockey late at night,usually pretty high up on a Red

(01:12:51):
Bull, and when you get homeyou're wired for two to three
hours.
But what's interesting about itfor me is that I took this and
what it really does for you isit puts you just in a very
restful mindset and a restfulplace so you can really just
fall asleep.
It's nothing like a nightquill.
This is what was my big thingwith it.
I was worried I'd be groggy.
It just gives you a really goodnight's sleep.

(01:13:12):
It put me in a little bit of adeeper sleep than I'm used to,
but I wake up feeling reallyrefreshed.
I'm telling you I have a men'sleague game at 10.45 at night
and I took a Red Bull at 9.30and I got to get up really the
next day.
I really love this stuffbecause it allows me to get to
sleep a lot faster.
So I'm going to say it again weboth tried it, we both used it.
We've talked to their ownersand their founders Great, great
people.
We might even have them on atsome point just to introduce

(01:13:34):
them to you.
But yeah, they're supporting usand we're supporting them, and
you can support both of us byhanding over to cutsleensleepcom
and checking out Cutslean.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
So again, yeah, if you're looking for that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
GWS, you'll get a nice little discount over there.
You're helping us, you'rehelping them.
I promise you.
This stuff was a game changerpun intended and not intended at
the same time.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
So check out Cutslean please.
Yeah, it's got a nice flavor.
You just put it in a little bit.
You put it in a cup of water.
You drink it real casually, youknow, and again, I actually
would drink it while stillgaming.
They recommend that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
They actually recommend that you drink it
while you're playing.
They said your last game of thenight, yeah.
But again it puts you in just avery nice kind of resting, like
you just feel tired.
It's really good.
It's all natural too.
So again, cutsleensleepcom,check it out.
Use the code GWS, support allof us and support your sleep
habits at night with Cutslean.
That was cool.

(01:14:27):
I've never done something likethat before.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
That was great.
It felt right.
You're natural.
Thank you, buddy, thank you,awesome, you know.
Another thing is you knowyou're talking about support and
sporting us.
You've got some.
You've got some jerseys behindJulie that are supported right
now and I'm looking forward topossibly starting to hang some
jerseys behind me.
And another group that'shelping us is called the sports

(01:14:49):
displays right, the sportsdisplayscom.
They have these amazing, easyto install bars that you can
hang your favorite sports jerseyon.
And it's just, it's super easy,it's super clean, it looks
great it looks really good.
I can't wait I keep waiting fornight in to send me some so I
can finally hang some of myautographed jerseys here behind

(01:15:11):
me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
And we need to.
We need to work on thatbackground for those of you
watching.
We can get a bunch of thosejerseys up.
We can change every week.
In your house you have a closetfull of jerseys.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
That's true.
Yeah, I got all kinds of stuff,but not even not always just
sports jerseys.
I got geek jerseys too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
I know right Like Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Smith, not quite like Kevin Smith.
I'm not as big as Kevin Smith,or we'll get big as Kevin Smith
was, I should say Physically, interms of following Kevin Smith,
way bigger than me, but interms of size I'm probably
bigger than him now actually.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yeah, he's been at the moment.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Well, I mean he needed to he, I mean he had a
widow making heart attack and hesurvived because it's because
it's, and we are thankful, ofcourse, that he is still here
every day and good for him andhope he's making lots of movies.
Anyway, neither here nor therethe sport displayscom I check it
out.
You can go check them out there.
You get a bundle of them too,if you have.

(01:16:05):
You want to hang multiples?

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
that's what I did.
That's what I did Ram Again,you can't see it for those of
you listening or watching, butI'm looking around my studio
right now.
I have three of them right infront of me and what I love
about these, ray again, is invalue to the audience.
I don't know if you know howmuch a actual jersey display
costs, but they're upwards of$250 to $300.
And that's like glass andclothes.

(01:16:26):
You got a mountain on the wall,I mean, and don't go like.
If you have like a Babe Ruthsign jersey, probably want to
get one of those, totally get it, all right.
But if you've got just jerseyshanging around the house, these
are extremely affordable.
I got myself the six pack,believe it or not, all right,
which did not break the bank.
And what's cool is that veryeasy to put on.
I actually put them on usingVelcro and they're holding my

(01:16:46):
jerseys no problem.
You can use screws if you want,but it's literally a five
minute process in your jerseysup.
So for all of you listening, Iknow you have jerseys.
I know you do.
We know who you are.
I mean that's not a creepy, butwe do know who you are.
This is something that you need.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Yeah, you can get a single one for 40 bucks or you
can go as up as most of them,which is a 10 pack for 225.
We're obviously it's about 2250.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Which is less than one case Normally.
I got to say that again.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Right, so, and they got a three pack and a six pack,
so whatever works best for youguys, but definitely again the
sport displayscom, so go checkthem out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Again thank you, Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
And thank you for being a part of Geeks who like
sports and thank you forlistening and we really
appreciate it.
That brings us now into thegeek segment of the show.
Oh, thank God.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
It was a long.
It was a long sports segment.
It was a lot of sports we knewwe were going to do a deep dive
on football.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
We went deeper than I thought, and then obviously we
had a lot of stuff with you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
You love it.
You love the show.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
I knew it.
Yeah, we all.
Yeah, we all love it.
I love it, you love it, thepeople listening love it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
We appreciate it If you're still here.
We appreciate you.
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
You know, you're still here.
I'm kicking things off.
Ahsoka just wrapped.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Lee, it's about to wrap tonight, or it's about as
we're recording this on Tuesday.
It wraps tonight, so I have notseen the final episode yet
because it's not out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Oh, I didn't see, I thought it.
I thought it already wrapped inthat, like Loki started tonight
, see I get.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Loki starts tonight or this week.
I think it starts later thisweek but Ahsoka's final.
It's a good time to talk aboutit because they you know I'll be
able to eat crow when this wasdebused tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
I have.
I have lost all sense of timeand my calendar is completely
screwed up, and we're going toget into part of the reason why
later.
But, lee, what do you think?
Ahsoka, so far, because I'm notgoing to lie folks, I haven't
watched a single episode yet,because I've just been super,
super, super busy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
It is by far my favorite Star Wars show.
That's coming on Disney Plus bya mile, and that doesn't mean I
didn't like the other ones, butit is by far the greatest Star
Wars show.
Now again, if you're a CloneWars fan and a Rebels fan,
you're 100 percent going to lovethis, because it's live action,
clone Wars and Rebels.
But if you're not, they haveintertwined once again the

(01:19:05):
prequels with the original four,five and six in such a
beautiful way that they haveenhanced those movies.
Once again, dave Filoni is agenius.
Again, I'm hesitant.
This is how much I like it.
I am sure some of it's beenspoiled for you already.
I don't want to spoil this onefor you.
It's that good.
Yeah, it's that good.
And then they are playing everyaspect of it perfectly and I'm

(01:19:28):
thoroughly looking forward toseeing tonight's episode.
I have been nothing butsatisfied where Marvel has
completely dropped the ball ontheir shows completely.
Hopefully Loki rectifies that.
This show is, I believe, thebest Star Wars show that they've
made, keeping in mind that Ilove the Mandalorian, that I
really liked Obi-Wan, that youknow again, I've said this

(01:19:51):
before that you know I had aproblem with Andorra in the
beginning, but ended up being OKfor me, right?
This is by far my favorite showthat they've done, and they're
expanding the universe Hint toStar Wars to a place that is
extremely comfortable for newfans, old fans and especially
Ray I'm talking to you fans ofthe expanded universe that was

(01:20:14):
taken away many years ago.
So they are doing things rightnow that are going to allow them
to do Star Wars better thanever before, and I am in love
with this show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
That's very, very high praise and I will binge it
at some point.
Yeah, you should tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
No, listen, I'm excited to discuss it with you.
Actually, to be fair to ourlisteners, it's a perfect time
when we're recording this againon a Tuesday before the premiere
, because we probably coulddiscuss this in the future of
just the series as a whole andinstead of going episode by
episode.
So I loving it.
Rosario Dawson has been great.
The whole cast has beenphenomenal.
The cameos are so fulfilling.

(01:20:56):
They're so.
They're not just there to bethere, right.
But I will tell you this, ray,when Luke Skywalker showed up in
the Mandalorian, I've had thatfeeling, not to the same level,
because that is a once in alifetime level event, but I've
had the same feeling multipletimes in the show.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Wow, yeah, that's impressive.
That is impressive.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not going tolie If, funny enough, they moved
us.
They moved at the time of theirolder premieres.
They were no longer a midnightpremiere on the West Coast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
That was horrible.
See, it's because of spoilers,it's and that's why, like the
whole East Coast, can't watch.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Well, and that's the thing horrible for you.
But now that the new time ishorrible for me because it's
right in the middle of usuallywhen I'm doing my Twitch stream
and all that stuff, and by thetime I'm done Twitch streaming,
it's been spoiled.
Well, here's the deal.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
I would make this argument and if others are
listening, let us know.
I think it's a lot easier foryou to get off your stream, not
look at your phone, and go rightto the TV and watch whatever it
is you need to watch.
Then me waking up, grabbing myphone and getting 16 updates.
That's fair.
That is fair, all right.
Like I watched that episode, Ididn't look at anything and look

(01:22:06):
I hate admitting this, but I'vestayed up to midnight before to
watch these episodes becauseit's that important to me that
it's not spoiled, right, so it'son me tonight.
I've got a game tonight.
I'm going to get home and haveto watch it before anybody tells
me because it's it's positionedto have some pretty big stuff
happen tonight.
Yeah, right.
So anyway, no offense to theWest Coast, but go screw
yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
I need this.
That's fair.
That's perfectly fair.
It's also been and we'll getinto it.
It's also been a ridiculouslybusy video game season.
The first episode of Soka Dropduring the beginning of the mad
rush for video game season.
We'll get into that a littlebit.
But before we do, we mentionedLoki.
Loki is debuting this week.
Lee man this is a lot hingingon Loki season two in my opinion

(01:22:55):
, because Ant-Man three,quantamania, really screwed up
Kang in my opinion and reallyscrewed up the whole Council of
Kang's and all the other stuff.
To me, this has to reestablishhim as a big bad for this phase
and really like positionthemselves going forward,
because Phase four stunk andPhase five so far has not been

(01:23:16):
any better.
So they've got to me.
Loki season two could be myfight.
It could be destroy.
That breaks the camel's back,depending on how this goes or
doesn't go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
I am right there with you, Ray.
I'll tell you this that Lokiseason one is really what set us
on the path for the last fewyears with introducing Kang, and
I remember you and I bothdiverse, the branching, yeah,
yeah we both thought oh wow,they're going to really bank in
on this.
It's going to be great,everybody's going to get a Kang.
And now they've waited too long.
They haven't connected anything, they blew it they did.

(01:23:47):
And I'll say what before Loki,it was very much the end, or the
epilogue still, of Phase three,and so I don't have high hopes
for this.
I am 100 percent going to watchit because I think the actors
are terrific.
But I'm going to say what youjust said If we come out of this
and there is not significantmovement on the MCU story front,

(01:24:08):
I believe I am going to stopgoing to the theater to see some
of these movies.
I'm going to wait for them tocome out.
I have seen every MCU movie inthe theater All right, and they
have earned those dollars, andbecause phases one through three
were so good, I was willing tokeep investing in that.
But if they missed the mark onthis and I really hope you and I
are back here in six weeks likewow, that was amazing.

(01:24:30):
Right, I am going to I don'tthink I'm going to go for the
Marvels.
I think I'm just going to kindof wait till I feel like it's on
track again, because you knowI'm just very disappointed with
the MCU right now.
Now I will say this with thechanges at Disney, I think they
figured out less is more.
It's not about making fourhundred story lines and hoping
for the best, it's about makingthree great story lines.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
So I think, I think Bob Iger is a big part of that.
I think Bob.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Iger will fix this.
I really believe that.
All right, yeah, but this isHollywood just being the bloated
, horrible thing that they areand trying to make as much money
as they can in theirsacrificing story and CGI for
that matter to get as much outas possible.
And you know what?
It's not being shown in thestock prices.
It's not being shown in DisneyPlus subscriptions.
You know, I think theyunderestimate that.
People will wait for quality.

(01:25:16):
They will, all right, butthey're going to give up if you
guys can't deliver that, andit's, it's got to change, yeah
100%, 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Last chance.
Marvel MCU.
You're losing your bleed in us.
You're winning us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Everything Disney sells dies, so get it, get it
right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Oh gosh.
So, moving on, one of thereasons why it's been hard for
me to sit down and watch a lotof TV is we are in the midst of
one of the busiest, if not thebusiest, video game season.
I think it's all the backlogfrom the pandemic.
I was going to say it's bothboth games that we're planned to
release now and then games thatwere being made during the
pandemic that finally gotfinished are now being released,

(01:25:59):
but not Wolverine.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
That's still not out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
No, well, that would be fair.
That day that was announced alittle early, that that was
going to I think all along thatwas going to be a 2024 release.
Yeah, but between like therelease of like Madden which is
usually where I mark things offand basically Black Friday, it's
like three dozen triple A games.
We're talking Spider-Man 2.

(01:26:21):
We're talking Sonic Superstars,a new Forza, a new Assassin's
Creed, a Hellboy game.
We got a more.
We got new Mortal Kombat, wegot you didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
You didn't say that right More.
Thank you.
Yeah, you got to say it, right,yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
we got that.
Alan Wake too, a sequel we'vebeen waiting a decade for is
coming out in October.
Wow, a new Ghostbusters VR gameis coming out.
I mean not to mention indiedarlings like Cocoon and Jusson
and El Paso.
Elsewhere Lies of P, which isthe Pinocchio Souls like game,

(01:27:03):
blasphemous 2, sea of Stars,which is the highly rated,
highly touted RPG, sure basedRPG from the guys who made the
Messenger.
I mean the NHL.
They remastered the Gargoylesgame from Super Nintendo.
There's too many video games.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Right, you don't sound excited in any way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I never thought I would say that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
People aren't going to listen to the show if you're
not excited about things.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Super Mario Wonder.
We got a new Super Mario gamecoming out in two weeks.
Yep Lee, I don't have enoughhours in the day.
Never mind the money in mywallet, I don't have the hours
in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
If you believe it, you can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Not if I keep taking cutscene.
I need to sleep inside.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
No, no you need to take cutscene efficiently so you
get your eight hours so you cangame game well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
No, I don't need the.
I don't need a job or to eat oranything.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
You can eat while you're playing.
Come on, man you.
I've seen you take pizza.
I can't take the pizza anymore.
I'm lactose intolerant.
I have to eat pizza through you.
Yeah, sounded weird, but true,no, listen, it's.
It's actually nice to see thegaming industry get kind of back
right to where it should be.
I love that there's too manytitles for you to play right,
because that's good.
That means you're going to bein a good place and you're going

(01:28:20):
to have to pick and choose.
It also means, finally, thatyou're going to have to do some
real reviews and let peoplereally know what to buy and what
not to buy, which is by faryour one of your greatest assets
, greatest values.
Again, for those who don'tremember, ray was the reviews
editor and previews editor atEGM magazine.
Now he's with us at Geeks FeelLike Sports.

(01:28:41):
So obviously, make sure youstick in here, because Ray is
going to give some of thosereviews and tell you what not to
buy.
More importantly, what to get.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Yeah, what to spend your time and money on.
I'll tell you this right nowDon't get El Paso elsewhere.
Um, el Paso elsewhere.
The graphics look likePlayStation One era and they
desperately, are trying.
The story is that the writingis actually very good.
It's such a shame.
The writing for the game isactually very good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Maybe, maybe that's what they're banking on.
You don't have to have mostamazing graphics anymore, that's
true.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
But it is a little hard to look at and it is a
little hard to uh.
It feels like they were.
Like what if we made theoriginal Max Payne with vampires
?
I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
But, with the same graphics from PlayStation One
you know it's funny about thisRay is I wish we could take some
of our younger listeners backto the mid nineties, when we had
PlayStation One and where we'relike did you see how good the
graphics are on this?

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
game.
Yeah, no, that's the thing.
That's the thing.
15 year old me would absolutelylove this game, probably.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Yeah, yeah.
For those of you who are outthere, go Google Laura Croft
1996.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
And you'll see what you're talking about.
You know what we're talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Yeah, Well, but yeah, so El Paso elsewhere.
I'm going to tell you right nowprobably a pass.
Yeah, Um, Cocoon, which is oneof the games I mentioned on that
list.
Five hours took me to 100% it.
It's free on Game Pass thereyou go, If you like, Limbo, or
inside.
it's made by some of the samedesigners who made those games.

(01:30:17):
It is one of the best puzzlegames I've ever played.
There you go, Wow.
So it is going to.
Probably it will definitelyfinish within my top 10 this
year at the total, maybe eventop five.
One of the best puzzle gamesI've ever played, 100% so.
And it only take you five hours, and again with so much time
that sounds like it's built forme.

(01:30:39):
With time being at a premiumright now, with this, with this
review season, pass on El Pasoelsewhere.
Pass on El Paso and go getCocoon.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
This would be a good time, real quick, for those of
you that are new listeners tothe show, just to give you an
idea.
And we have this written allover our stuff.
But, ray, as I said, as aprofessional gamer, professional
in games, ray how many titleshave you beaten so far this year
?
And it is early October rightnow 55.
55 games and just to give somecontext to that, I have beaten
two but I still get it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
I beat three games just this weekend.
Well, and there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
And I beat Star Wars and Ninja Turtles this year, now
going back to that same timeadversely.
If you're a sports fan, that'swhere I have the.
How many games have you coachedthis year?
And I lost count a while ago.
But the point is that wecompliment each other very, very
well.
When I know, when Ray says tome, lee, you should get this,
this game, I don't hesitate.
I do it because Ray knows yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
No, for sure.
No, honestly, and like honestly, you have game pass and you
want to play something.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
I do, I do, I think, I think game pass is one of the
best things that's ever happened.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
I think it is honestly game pass.
Right now, folks, I was goingto say this and this if Xbox
wants to sponsor us, you knowbut seriously, game pass is
definitely do after.
Even after that acquisitionactivation acquisition Game pass
is such a great value right now.
So many of these great gamesthat I mentioned are coming

(01:32:03):
right to game pass, to chancefor you to try them out.
There's a game today called thelamp lighters league that I
want to try and that normallyI'd be in the fence about.
Don't have to be in the fenceabout it.
It's part of game pass.
Yeah, Cocoon Again.
This is a great puzzle game.
Again, it's really for thewhole.
It's E for everyone, it's forthe whole family.
There's nothing in there that'sgoing to be crazy.
It's a puzzle, it's primarily apuzzle game and the way they do

(01:32:24):
it it's Right in the cocoon.
Yeah, I'm going to get stray too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
I'm looking forward to playing stray.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Stray is a great, great one that you can do with
the whole family for sure.
That's probably a six to eighthour experience.
Yeah, it originally debuted onPlayStation, but now is on Xbox
and on game pass, because that'shappening a lot too, where
games will come to PlayStationfirst and then join game pass
like a year later, it all, itall ends up with Microsoft.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Yeah, and here's another hot take God of War,
Spider-Man, wolverine.
It's inevitable, I aminevitable.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
So but yeah, I, you know I very much.
If you like puzzle games, Icheck out cocoon, that if you.
And if you like podcasts, besure to subscribe to Geeks who
like sports.
Follow us on all the socials.
Obviously, it was a five starreview.
If you can, wherever you'relistening to us, it helps us big

(01:33:20):
time.
We are back, ladies andgentlemen.
We are back.
This is the beginning of seasontwo and this is the end of
episode one of season two.
Lee, have any closing thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
If you like the show, email us at team at
geekswholikesportscom.
Your five star reviews areheavily appreciated, along with
topic ideas, so head over to ourFacebook page Geeks who Like
Sports and let us know what youwant us to talk about next
week's episode of Geeks who LikeSports Sports, sports, sports,
sports.
Back to you, Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Producer Caitlin also wants to let you know that it's
not the email.
You can email us atgeekswholikesportscom.
What that one works that oneworks Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Oh, I'm going to make team at geekswholikesportscom.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
You should make that email.
I'm going to make it.
You should make that email.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I challenge you listening to email us there to
see if it works.
Miyagi effect.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
But at least for a week maybe still stick to
geekswholikesportscom so, butanyway, until next week.
Thank you everybody for tuningin.
We are officially back for Lee.
I'm Ray.
Good night, everybody.
We'll see you next week withmore Geeks who Like Sports.

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