9 Things People Say About Golf That Isn’t True with Wall St Reporter John Paul Newport

John Paul Newport, weekly golf columnist for the Wall Street Journal discusses reporting on the four majors each year. Also he shares his feelings about various players he's interviewed including Tiger, Phil, Rory and others. This is part 1 of 2 originally published in March 2012.

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that are no longer available in anypodcast app. Are there specific golfers that
you enjoy covering? You know?Some of my favorite golfers are Phil Nicholson,
Steve Stricker, Jim Furick, RoryMcElroy. Because Still is the guy
that will give you an interesting,responsive answer to questions, unlike a lot
of them. He thinks of himselfas an intellect and a wit, and

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he is. He's not afraid totry to say something new or thoughtful.
He's thinking it over. Some peoplesay he's a little full of himself,
and maybe he is, but Ilike it. He's famous for standing their
prowers, giving autographs. He's generallya very personable guy. He sometimes we'll
talk about economics and deliver ultimatums onwhat should be done, as if his
opinion is more valuable than everybody else. Is a little bit tiger is the

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opposite of that tiger is actually prettyforthcoming on explaining his golf game and technique,
and he actually reveals a lot ofstuff in that respect, but you
get him off subject and he isjust a chess grand master about five moves
ahead of you in not revealing things. With another interview from the archives of
Golf Smarter, here's your host,Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter

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podcast. John Paul, Hi,how are you. I'm doing well.
Thank you for agreeing to participate withtoday's show. Excited to be here.
Well, thank you, Thank you. I appreciate that. So to give
some background, you are a columnistfor the Wall Street Journal, and among
other things that you cover, youdo their golf columns. Are you the

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exclusive golf journalist for the Wall StreetJournal. Well, sometimes some people write
about the business side of golf,but my exclusive job is to write a
weekly golf column every Saturday in thepaper. So it's a great, great
gig. So you wrote what aboutfifty columns a year and they're all golf
related, correct, But you're notcovering the tour. You are maybe one

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out of six I would guess hasto do with professional golf. It's not
trying to cover the tour. Igo to the four Majors every year,
and sometimes one or two other tournamentsdepending on some particular story I might be
pursuing. But mostly the mandate isfor people who play golf, who love
golf, or who even don't playbut are just interested for some reason in

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certain subjects relating to golf that Ican come up with. It's what they
might find interesting, what guys orwomen would be talking about on the grill
room afterwards. Sometimes there are moresocial, you know, societal issues like
the real estate crisis, or likewhen there was a problem with Northern Trust

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sponsoring golf tournaments when the banks werebeing bailed out. You know, that
was a golf related column that hada lot of interest outside of just golfers.
Although I don't normally I'm not afterthe business angle of golf, even
though it's the Wall Street Journal.Oh that's interesting, But there are people
who cover the business angle of golf, yeah, when they are stories.
Every once in a while, I'llwrite something in the regular paper and this

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is the regular paper, but Imean in the the news holes of the
regular paper relating to golf. Butthat's rare, And how long have you
been doing this for them six yearsalmost, So that means you've been to
the majors, all four majors forthe last six years or long. Yeah.
Yeah, how awesome is that thatsomebody pays you to do this?
Yes? Do you like going toa professional golf tournaments? Well, you

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know, it's funny. I mean, it's it's like a lot of things.
Anytime it's your job. It's differentthan going recreationally. And those those
four weeks a year when I metthe Majors, TuS the Cup every other
year, those are the hardest weeksof my year because in those weeks I
am writing like a preview story onThursday and game story like on Saturday.

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Plus I have to be blogging online. Also. We really do try to
cover that as an event, soI am writing round the clock. At
the Master's last year, a verygood friend of mine who introduced me and
my wife, was attending and Iwas in the press center, you know,
right in the heart of the golfcourse, and we tried several times
to meet up and I couldn't evencome out to shake his hand. I

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was so busy. So it's exciting, it's wonderful, it's great. In
retrospect. It's hard work, whichI know. I don't get any sympathy
for that. No, no,you don't. There was a period of
my life where I was traveling aroundthe country going to ballgames, and my
friends hated me because it was like, you're going You're just going to ball
games. Yeah, it's pretty muchwhat I do. I go to baseball

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games all over the country. Oneof the things about business traveling general.
You know, people say, oh, you're going to San Francisco or someplace
interesting, But whenever you're traveling foryour company, you're basically on a meter,
like a taxi meter. It's costingmoney, yes, and any any
extra hour that you're just you know, you have to justify, you know,
why they're paying that extra hour foryou to be there. So what

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makes the not just the masters,but the majors? What makes them special?
From a journalist perspective, And Ipromise we will get to the topic
of why I asked you to behere? This is well, this is
fascinating to me. I'm well,it is pretty interesting because I mean,
a tournament's a tournament, and youthink, why, why is winning a

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major, you know, such abig deal. But the reason it's such
a big deal. To a largedegree, is because it's such a big
deal. Uh. Historically they arethe ones that count the most. Uh.
Therefore, to win one, thegolfers know in their heads it's it's
how you will be defined for yourcareer. So the pressure is, the
self inflicted pressure is much much greater. They know how important it is.

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Plus it attracks the biggest feels ofthe year. So it is harder to
win a major than other tournaments.And you're a reporter, not a pundit.
Well, it's a funny little linein there, but mostly my columns
are very reported. I don't justsit back and wax wise and criticize people.
I try to have an idea andinterview a lot of people and find

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out information and convey information. Soit's not a good idea to ask you.
So, is Tiger ever going towin again or even another major?
Oh? Yeah, no, that'sa legitimate question. Okay. I just
can't imagine that he won't win again, And I've never doubted that he would
win again. He's only thirty six. He is a great player. He

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knows how to win. There's noquestion. You know, he wants his
knee his health got back and thatawfulness is sort of receded a little bit,
and he could focus more and peoplelet him focus more on golf that
he's going to I felt he wouldreturn to form a man. I never
felt a doubt that he would returnto form. The biggest doubt in my
mind was whether he maybe something waslost, like nerves or puttings, you

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know, strokes, and it's itremains to be seen coming down the stretch,
you know, in a major,whether he can still pull it off.
So that's more of a question.But I I feel sure he's gonna
win a lot of tournaments. Still. Are there specific golfers that you enjoy
covering as personalities versus as golfers?You know, some of my favorite golfers

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are Phil Mickelson, Steve Stricker,Jim Furick, Rory McElroy, because well,
Phil, Phil is he's a guythat will give you an interesting,
straight out responsive answer to questions.Unlike a lot of them. He thinks

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of himself as an intelle and awit and and he is. He's not
afraid to try to say something newor thoughtful. He's thinking it over well.
I like most athletes who have likethat great scene from Bull Durham when
he's teaching him what are the clichesthat you have to say? And most
athletes are generally like that, theyjust have these standard answers. Yeah,

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but Phil like Brian Wilson of Theof the Giants the Picture for the Giants,
who you just never know what hewas going to say, and he
thought about every answer that he gave. It felt like mm hmm yeah.
And those people are wonderful. Imean, he's a little some people say
he's a little full of himself,and maybe he is, but I like
him. I really like him personally. He's famous for standing there for hours

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giving autographs. He's he's generally verypersonable, personable guy. Uh so he's
he's sometimes we'll talk about economics anddeliver ultimatums and you know what should be
done as if you know, hisopinion is more valuable than everybody Else's a
little bit, but I mean whenyou're just star for somebody that's saying something

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real, I mean Tiger is theopposite of that. Tiger is actually pretty
forthcoming on explaining his golf game andyou know, technique, and he actually
reveals a lot of stuff in thatrespect, but you get him off subject
and he's just a genius. He'slike a chess grand master about five moves
ahead of you and not revealing thingsgives you the evil eye. Yeah,

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well he does he does that.He does that some. He did that
recently. I've interviewed him through fourtimes one on one, and yeah,
he's he's genuinely charming and he canbe very witty. I mean, I
know all this stuff that was goingon was just awful, and you know
I wouldn't that's really want him tobe my, uh, you know,

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my best friend. But man,he's he's he's very witty, and he's
very smart, and he can becommunicative when he's on the subject that he
wants to be communicative about, andthen just a stone roller on anything else.
But we can't let go of him. It's almost like Mike Tyson in
some ways. How we're just waitingfor Tyson to come. You know.
It's it's it's amazing that we can'tlet go. We just are there waiting

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for him to succeed or crash andburn, but we can we keep watching.
He's he's absolutely riveting. He's inthe room and your eye is on
him. Oh is that right?When he walks into is everybody, it's
like you feel him walking in theroom. Yeah. Well I do mean
that literally, but I also meanit figuratively. M m. It's like
when he's in the room of atournament, you just can't help but wonder

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what's up with him? Right,It's possible if he's shrank into mediocrity and
was just became a journeyman, youknow, you that would that would not
be the case anymore. But thusfar, there's he always seems to manage
to there's something's in the news abouthim, even when he's not playing well.
Yeah, and the players always talkedabout that if he's in the hunt,

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you just no matter where you areon the course, you can feel
his presence. Mm hmm. Thatactually, I think is one of the
most interesting things that he's going toface when he gets his game back,
which I think he really has now, is these young guys they're not you
know, supposedly, they're not afraidof them, they're not gonna wilt.
They they've been brought up in anew era and they're they're just as daring

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as Tiger was when he was thatage. And they're younger, and they
hit the ball farther and they're better, and you know that aura is we'll
see. It'd be very interesting tosee. We cover this on this podcast
a lot. And that's I thinkwhy we call it Golf Smarter. But

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the young people, and I thinkTiger's coming and to prove with that they
you know, the young people withall the game but without the mental element
of it. You know, Tigerseemed to have that in his younger years
and has seemed to have you know, his brain has gotten in the way,
his emotions have gotten in the way. I've always I'm curious about young

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players and you know, even thoughthey have the tools physically, do they
have the emotional and you know,capacity to pull off that kind of pressure,
which clearly it is mm hmm.It's you know, it's a rare
package to be a world ranked golfmaster. You've got to have the physical

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skills, you've got to have thetemperament, you've got to be able to
live the life on the road thatthey live, and then you've got to
have that intangible set of mental qualitiesthat you're talking about. Dustin Johnson's I
think kind of an interesting case inpoint I happened to be at the Q
School about four years ago when hefirst qualified for the tour in his first
shot and people were saying, youshould go watch the sky and I walked

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with his high school, i mean, his college coach a little bit and
he said, Dustin just always hadthat ability to just to never get nervous.
He just rose to the occasion.He's the type of guy that wanted
the ball, you know, within the basketball game to take the last
shot. And he's and he reallydoes have that quality. But he's made
some very bad mental eras in thein the height of the heat of majors,

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like at the US Open at BeachColport so and and the British Open.
He had a you know, approachshot last year out of bounds when
he was in contention on the fifteenthhole. I think it was so you
know, maybe that lack of introspectionand that kind of natural ability only takes

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you so far. You know,he's he's he's a phenom as an athlete
and as a golfer. But that'san interesting case study to monitors in terms
of mental But still they have tohave some of that or they wouldn't be
at the top of the leaderboard onSunday at a PGA tour and a major.
I mean, you know, there'sthere's Q School, there's all the
competition growing up they're a juniors,there's college. You know, you've got

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to you've got to be able toget past that. So you've got to
have some of those tools in place. M you do, I mean once
you get to the show. Yeah, Dustin's won a tournament every year he's
been on tour. But you know, somebody like that, for instance,
he was always so good and solong, and he bombed things, and
he was just he played other sportsand he's just he was a dominant kind

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of figure. So he maybe hishis his propensity not to crash under pressure
was just that he knew he couldbeat everybody. But then finally you get
up, you know, in amajor, and for the first time,
something different's happening to him that hehasn't experienced. That's what they say about
being in the hunt in majors.It's you got to put yourself in that
position and it's very strange what happens. Yeah, I guess you can have

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some swagger for your whole life.When everyone tells you, you're the best
around. You're the best around,and then you get into a room full
of the best and a you know, all of a sudden, you as
a young person, you can reallyfeel intimidated. Yeah, and especially it's
like, you know, I lovehearing what they says, I've watched you
ever since I was a kid,you know, and it makes you know

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whenever you hear that, you know, the person saying, I'm not that
old. Wait a minute, youknow, it's like it's really painful to
hear someone say that I remember youand I was four, and so that
puts you both in a position ofyou know, dominance and submission, especially
on a competitive level. Yeah.One of the things I've always felt about

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Tiger and his success earlier in hiscareer was I mean, he had many
many advantages, including being in thepublic eye since he was on the Mike
Douglas Show two or four or wheneverhe was. But he was a little
bit lucky too. That's one onecontributing factor. Not the old explanation.
But he won a lot of tournamentslike the US Amateurs when he made a

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fifty foot pot on the seventeenth greenat TPC Sawgrass to go on to win
a US Amateur and and then Ithink the next US Amateur he had some
amazing comeback and those putts and thingsdidn't have to go in, and and
then he had a few other keythings that happened here and there. So
in his own mind and in theminds of others, but mostly in his

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own mind, he became this kindof child of destiny, you know,
where he was. He was theone that those things happened to, and
that bills and bills, and it'sa self fulfilling mindset, I think to
some degree. And in some ofit was a little bit lucky that,
you know, he didn't put winin and then he that gave him,
you know, to the next event. And so now all of a sudden

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when he's coming back, I thinkhe's really on the brink in terms of
his game of being back. Butmaybe that uh, that armor, that
mental armor that he's always had isit's gonna be very interesting to see.
Do you it's interesting you've been withhim, You've you've talked to him one
on one. Did he carry himself? Did he present himself? Is this

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is my destiny? This? Imean? Did he have is that's kind
of arrogant to walk around with yourhead up saying I'm destined for this greatness.
No, I was to have somehumility about it. Yeah he had.
I wouldn't call it humility exactly,but it wasn't that kind of arrogance.
And mean, his father said someyou know, he said this is

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the chosen One stuff, so thatthey heaped that on him, which of
course wasn't probably welcome by Tiger,but it was there. He wasn't.
He's not arrogant in that way himself. But you know, dorees a confidence
to him, certainly, and heknows, he knows he's he's as good
as he was. So but hedoesn't say you won't catch him saying ridiculous

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arrogant things because he doesn't. That'snot how he thinks he's He's more in
the moment than that. Fascinat uh. I still want to get to your
article on Golf's Biggest Delusions. Butone of the people that you mentioned that
fascinates you that you enjoy covering isRory McElroy The Second Coming. What Yeah,

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what is it about Rory that thatintrigues you? I happened to watch
I started out watching him at theUS Open last spring. Last summer at
Congressional, I watched his first tshot and he was playing so well.
I watched, I watched the firstthree rounds, every shot he hit.
I didn't get to do the lastround. But and you're watching on TV,

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you're not there, like no,I was. I was watching inside
the ropes, following him around thecourse. Oh wow, okay, fabulous.
Uh. He has just a joyde vive about about playing golf that
that few of them have. Andwhen he's playing well, he has this
kind of Jaunty's stride that just youjust can't wait to get to his next
shot. And there's there's there's apower to him. I don't know quite

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how to describe it other than it'sit's sort of like a very fast,
wonderful car that normally tools along atsixty but you just know that, you
know, just tap on the brakesand he could go up one hundred and
twenty in like three seconds, andhe can sort of there's that it's beautifully
tooled thing, and it's just gotthe surplus power and he can add twenty

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five yards to his drives whenever hewants to. It's just there. You
know, there's just the sense thathe's it's not just that he's playing well.
You don't feel like he's at thelimit of what he's able to do.
When he's playing well, he's justcruising, you know. And then
he is one of those people thatyou see when he's walking and his head

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is high. You can see thathis head is high, the way he
carries himself, that his shoulders areback, and he's proud. He's absolutely
a delightful guy too. I meanhe's everything you see. He's you know,
I talked to his father some andhis father and him together in the
hotel lobby a little bit. Itjust was nearby when they were greeting each

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other, and I mean, he'she's he's a normal bloke, you know.
It's just uh, but I meanhe's he's he knows he's the greatest
golfer in the world right now.So it feel like he's falsely humble about
it. But he's he's a goodguy. What is he like when he's
around his father? Is he adifferent person? Does he become the kid

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now? He's always the kid,not a different person. It's more like
their their friends. Uh, they'rethey're they're equals. He it's definitely not
that he falls into a yes orno sort of thing. It's that they
hug each other. And I meanI didn't get didn't have dinner with them
or anything, but yeah, it'sjust you can tell that they're close and

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that Rory will always, very frequentlytalk about the support. You know,
his father was a barman at theat the club that he grew up in
and took on two extra jobs tohelp finance Rory's amateur career. I mean,
they did not come from money atall. And his mother likes not
to be in the spotlight very much. But she's an assault of the groth

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type two. I've met her.So it's it's a it's a normal middle
class family with loyalty to each otherand and pride in each other, and
it's it's just wonderful. It's awonderful story. And that, my friend,

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is the perfect segue to your articleGolf's Biggest Delusions. Nine things people
say about the game that aren't trueand one that is and number one you
have golf is only for rich people. Yeah, there you go. That
was I think your testimony most common. You know, I can't tell you
how many people talk about that whenthey first hear golf. About golf to

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me, and I mean the easiestway. Only ten percent of the twenty
six million golfers in the United Statesbelonged to private clubs and shrinking and shrinking.
And it is shrinking, isn't it. It is drinking. Those numbers
are going down a little bit.And the rest people play. I mean

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not that some of the rest aren'twealthy, but they play primarily at public
courses where the average cost for around on weekends rack rate with kart is
forty three dollars around Really, come, I live in northern California. If
I were able to find a weekendrate with a cart for forty three bucks,

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I would be bragging more about thatthan my score. There's no way
I can get something that low.I can barely on the week that is
the US average. So we're factoringrural North Dakota in there too. But
a place where I played until recentlyit was a public course. Here.
We live about twenty five miles northof New York City, and that's about

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what the weekend rates were with courtfor if you lived in the township and
bought a sixty dollars yearly pass.That's what it was. For non residents,
it was sixty dollars. But theidea that golf is only for rich
people, I think goes beyond theclub membership element. I think that golf
itself is an expensive hobby because everytime you want to go out and play,

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it's going to cost you. There'salways you're always being slammed by equipment
hitting you in the face. Notlike you need to change that every six
months that the manufacturers want you tothink you need to do. But you
always got to go out and buyballs, You got to get gloves,
you need shoes, you know.I mean there, it's like most hobbies,
golf is expensive. It's just oneof the more expensive ones. It's

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not a cheap thing. It's notlike playing basketball or tennis. You just
need a ball and a court basically, right right. That that's or soccer.
That's one reason soccer is so populararound the world is it's really just
you need a field and a balland a couple of guys. And a
couple of guys, I mean,you can play soccer with two people.
Like basketball, you can play byyourself. You can play with ten.
You can play with ten, butit's not you know, you can be

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middle class and you could easily havea very active golf life for one thousand
dollars a year, which is,you know, money that a lot of
people don't have, but it's notdoesn't require it to be rich to be
to be a golfer. Most whenI think of golfers, most people I've
played with over more of my life, I think of well, partly because

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of where I live here north ofNew York. Now, firemen and policemen
who played at this course all thetime, you know, in the day
they were off duty and retirees onpensions. That that, in my mind
is who plays golf as much asthe people at private clubs. Yeah,
I seem to play a lot withself employed construction people and and firemen definitely

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fall into that. I see alot of firemen who also freelance or if
you want to call freelance moonlight doingconstruction work. And there's a lot of
self employed people who are out there. You know, well, golf is
work is just an excuse to payfor golf. I've heard said many times.

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Right, Yeah, no, Iwas able to play when I in
the middle of the week a lotwhen the rates were lower, when I
was more of a freelance writer,but in the summer, a lot of
school teachers that were in school andbar tenders, you know, people that
worked at night. It's interesting.So it's definitely one of the delusions that

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most people who don't play think ofgolf as it's just for rich people,
no question about it. But thereare other delusions that that golfers have about
golf that you cover and I'm goingto skip one here, we'll get back
to it. I just love thisone. In Scotland, golf offers never
take longer than three hours to playaround. Everyone talks about the problem with

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golf is it takes too long,it's too hard, it's too expensive.
You're covering this now that we've alreadygot the expensive part out of the way,
and now the length of time that'sspent out on the golf course,
it's a full day activity. It'sthe most vexing problem in American golf is

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the pace of play, because it'swe play in sequence. Unlike on a
ski hill you can go whatever rateyou want. Everybody's passing to the golf
it's in sequence. And you're avictim to the slowest moving group ahead of
you. So it's but everybody saysin Scotland, Oh yeah, in Scotland
they all play in three hours around. So I called the chief executive of

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the Scottish Golf Union to talk tohim at some length about the pace of
play that people play there. Hisname is Hamish Gray, and he says
four hours is the typical pace ofplay in Scotland for a four ball.
Now, they do alternate shot alot, sort of after lunch rounds,

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where they two players play one balland they can get around faster. Two
players play with one ball. Yeah, it's alternate shot, like in the
Ryder Cup. It's called foursomes,confusingly enough to us. But a lot
of times people, if they're goingto play a full day of golf,
they'll play a match play in themorning, they'll have an alcoholic lunch,
and then they'll go out and playin about two and a half hours.

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Just you know, two people againsttwo other people. They're playing one ball
each team, and so one guyhits the ball and the other guy goes
up while they're hitting and it's readyto hit it again, and they really
can't get around the course fast.It's a lot of fun to play,
but you can't do it. Youcan't do it on a crowded course.
Well. I also, I've notplayed in Scotland. I hope to sometime,

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but from what I've seen, Idon't see a lot of big trees
on the golf courses like I doin the parkland courses of the US.
Am I wrong in thinking that wespend more time looking for lost balls?
Well, there is a lot ofthick gorse, that's true, and grasp

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that they can go into. Butgenerally they do have wider fairways and more
area in play, so which speedsup the game somewhat. The other the
other big difference, I mean.The point to be made though, is
that the Scots really do play infour hours, and that if you play
longer than that, you really areconsidered outside the pale of civilized behavior over

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there, whereas in the United Statesfour hours is some sort of ideal that
people want to play in, butalmost very very few courses actually get people
around at that speed. Another thingreason they all play faster, though,
is they they they play match play, and their handicap system is different where
they don't need They don't record theirfull strokes every time they play to have

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a val handicap. They're designated roundsand tournaments at clubs, you know,
little courses and clubs, and thoseare the rounds that are counted for handicap.
So they have no compulsion to recordevery stroke and put everything out.
If they've lost the hole, they'velost the hole. It's a game,
match, play game, and sothey go around and play a lot faster
in that way. Oh that's veryinteresting. Well, here's my opportunity for

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my editorial on why things are slowhere as well. And my friends who
play with me know that I generallyhave a very good attitude. I don't
get too upset except when a Marshallcomes around to tell me we're moving too
slow. I appreciate that they're outthere because they get to drive around the

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cart and tell people things that they'removing too slow and that they get a
free round of golf this week becauseof it. But if you want me
to speed up, mister marshall,keep your little cart in the fair way
and watch where every ball goes.Then when one of the four of us
loses a ball or hits it,an aeron shot, which generally happens on
almost every hole. You can sayit's right here, and we don't have

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to spend five or six minutes lookingfor everybody's ball. So if they would
just please, marshals, just watchwhere the ball is, take your hat
off, throw it down if itgoes in the rough, and just let
me find it quickly instead of tellingme that the group in front of me,
who's all nineteen years old and playfor the college team or a whole
and a half ahead of us,shut up, good point. Shut up,

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John Paul. I need to aska favorite here. We've already exceeded
our thirty minute when I put athirty minute limit on these podcasts because you're
at the gym and you need toget off the running machine. Could you
stick around and talk to me somemore about this article and we can do
a members only episode. Oh sure, Oh, I appreciate that very much.
We are going to continue this conversationabout his article Golf's Biggest Delusions that

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comes from the February twenty fifth tosix Saturday Sunday issue of the Wall Street
Journal. You should definitely check itout or join golf Smarter for members only
and hear part two of this conversationand we'll discuss the whole thing. You
won't have to read it at all. It's kind of like an audio book,
but it's a podcast, so yeah, stick around, John Paul,

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thanks so much for coming on GolfSmarter. You bet.