The Four Pillars of Clutch Golf with Dr. Glen Albaugh (RIP)

This is our final entry in our six part series of conversations with Dr. Glen Albaugh who passed away in early 2023, at the age of 91.
This episode called “The Four Pillars of Clutch Golf” was originally published on July 7, 2020 as Golf Smarter #748.
In our conversation, Dr. Glen Albaugh, who co-authored his second book with Eric Jones, PGA (Golf Smarter episode 725) of “The Clutch Golfer Formula: How to Hit the Exact Shot You Want at Precisely When You Need It”.
Glen was a beloved professor and iconic figure at the University of the Pacific, visionary sports psychologist, and a beloved guest on Golf Smarter.
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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
This is our final entry in oursix part series of conversations with doctor Glenn
Allbah, pioneering sports psychologist, author, and professor slash golf coach at the
University of Pacific, where he spentover three decades guiding the Tigers men's golf
team to six NC two eight tournaments. His team's also produced nine All Americans.

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Doctor Alba passed away in early twentytwenty three at the age of ninety
one, and this is our littleway to honor his blessed memory. Links
to his two books and where tomake donations in his memory are in today's
show notes or at our blog postat golf smarter dot com. This episode
and our final conversation with doctor Albahwas called The Four Pillars of Clutch Golf

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and originally published on July seven,twenty twenty as golf Smarter Numbers seven hundred
forty eight. Welcome to golf SmarterMulligan's your second chance to gain insight and
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(01:14):
like this that are no longer availablein any podcast app. Let's talk about
what you call in the book afailsafe preshot routine. The one we offer
in Clutch is block, blow fire. So you standing behind the ball,
you say walk. That means youwalk into the strategy and just committed to
that fits your game. Then youwalk in same number, step and set

(01:38):
up and you load it. Loadingit means that you load in the target,
you load in the swing that matcheswhat you see, and then you're
fire away. Those words have meaning, see feel, trust, pink box,
playbox, any words you use ina routine that connects to what you
want to feel. So the routineis a starter pistol and you don't have

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to be a thirteen point two tohave a routine. With another interview from
the archives of Golf Smarter, here'syour host, Fred Green. Welcome back
to the Golf Smarter podcast. Glenn. It's great to be back. But
it's good to be healthy enough sothat I can I can lend in and
lends some stuff to our listeners.Well, we're grateful that you are healthy

(02:25):
enough that you know we Originally we'rescheduling to have you and your co author
on the Clutch Golfer Formula, EricJones, We're gonna have you guys on
back to back, and Eric wason episode number seven twenty five back in
January. But you had some healthissues. It made it hard for you

(02:46):
to talk for me for a while, so we had to wait until you
got stronger. And thank goodness youare. So I'm so grateful that we're
here so i can talk to youagain. Thank you. It is good
to be bad. It's good tobe anywhere, right, It's good to
be Yeah. So I just wantto establish a little bit going back to

(03:08):
the clutch Golfer formula, how didyou and Eric meet initially? Because you
really kind of come from different worldsin the sense that you're a university professor
and you work on golf in themental game, and he's a two time
world long drive champion, but he'salso a Teacher of the Year for Northern

(03:29):
California PGA. How did you guysget together to put together this book?
He drove over one day in twothousand and four. He said, I'd
like to talk to you. That'sgreat. I think I remember your name.
He might have played a little bitat Stanford and he said yes,
and he said, this is myvision, and I'd like to share with

(03:51):
you and see what you think.Said what I want to do. I'm
going to I'm going to and leave. I'm leaving business, and I want
to make sure that I'm going tokill my class a teaching credential from the
PGA, and I'm going to getthe master's in sports psychology, and I
want to combine to the strengths ofboth and set up shop, you know,

(04:14):
in the golf business, and saysit's time. It's pretty hard to
mix them up to teach swings andteach the mental game. He says,
well, that's my vision. Well, sure enough, but I think he
has done that in the programs thathe's offered, that he has used his
information, the gains from sports psychologyto make him even a more effective teacher.

(04:40):
He won me over. I'm stillnot teaching technique. I still when
I do work now, which isnot as often as before, there's still
training people in the mental game andthe inner game, and so of course
that's my passion. But that's howhe met and I was impressed, and

(05:02):
we met often. He asked meif I would be his mentor, and
I said, sure for sports psychology. So he came around. I was
working with quite a few guys thenthat he would come around, particularly the
ones were in northern California, andwatch watched me work, ask questions.

(05:26):
We eventually did some workshops together.I've done many workshops for Protocole PGA and
he I got here talking into comingand working there too with me mail on
the least six or eight times.So he's done a lot of things together.
And he came to me one dayhe said, what do you think

(05:46):
it is? The golfer formula?I said, wow, that's pretty interesting.
Tell me more about it. Andso we're going to write a book,
Glenn and okay, so away wewent, well, thank you for
doing that, thank you for gettingtogether, because it's a great book.

(06:09):
It's really fascinating and it's very helpfulbecause of the two different approaches that you
that you both take on this.Um uh, tell me about clutch.
Let's talk about clutch. And andyou know in the book you mentioned the
four pillars of clutch. Yes,the intention and trust and delivered practice.

(06:30):
Yeah they are and focus. Youknow the pillars are we have selectivision and
yes, and they're there and wethey form. Most of what we write
about is coming from that foundation ofthe pillars. Well, let's break those
down. Let's go through each one. Okay, let's go with the delivered

(06:55):
practice. It's made famous by Andrew'sEricson the Swedish researcher who by the way,
just died two days ago and hewas only seventy two years old,
who went around the world. Yeah, he went around the world and looking,

(07:16):
you know, at the places participatingin sports, and he found that
they're that the people that moved andcontinuing to improve practice deliberately, and so
that's was certainly one of our practiceis really critical. If you're going to
become quts and you're going to maintainyour questness, you must know how to

(07:43):
practice deliberately generally means with you know, full focus. So then trust,
Well that's Zerk claims that you're theone to put it in front of your
book that the perfect swingers the oneyour trust. So you know something about

(08:05):
trust. So yes, indeed trustis the heart and soul of the inner
game. Which is really important inthe clutch too, is the development of
that internal feedback system. You know, that's that we use when they play
our best when you really really trustyour swing. It means that you swing

(08:26):
without thought, without without any wardingoff any kind of interference you know that
would cause you to swing, notswing the way that you one or two.
Yeah, and focus as you canhave. You can focus past pleasant

(08:50):
future. You can focus intensely,you can focus less intensely. Focuses the
interesting concept in that regard because itcuts across most anything. For example,
can I make an example, Iwish you would please. A bratt Job

(09:13):
arrived at the Bowling Classic last yearfive strokes behind Freddie Couples, and so
his focus at the time was,well, blame has happens. Okay,
not too bad. But he choosedthirty on the front nine, so he
gets his attempt tea. His focuschanges, I can win this damn thing.

(09:35):
It became more determined, more direct, more intense, and then he
made some routine pars bird fourteen gotthe lead for the first time, and
now he was really rolling. Hewas his focus was unwavering. Seventeen eighteen

(09:58):
win by one by two. Sothere's a vivid example of how full focus
changes as you go through just around of golf. As Brant did.
Oh good that that is a goodexample. It's a very good example.

(10:18):
Yeah, we use that in nowwomen are on one of our slides.
Uh, so I've got that onedown pretty good. Yeah. Yeah.
And then number four pillars intention,Yeah, intention, And that one comes
up in so many conversations, umon, but I think is actually missed

(10:43):
by so many golfers on what isyour intent on the shot? Right?
Well, that's one way to lookat it, you know, And the
intention is in need that it's areally directed to be in a present time,
a war in the state. Uh, you know, all of all

(11:05):
of the pots of course. Butintention is uh, my intend today to
practice and everything I practice will betransferred to low en course play. My
intention is to get a high cutto that back right pin. My intention

(11:26):
is to hit a low draw andholds into the wind. My intention is
to show up on time. Myintention. Well, so the intention is
uh, we pretty much know themeaning, but it certainly is one of
the posts. Interesting. We're gonnawe're gonna talk more with doctor Glenn Alba

(11:52):
from the University of Pacific Hall ofFame golf coach more on the book The
Clutch Golfer Formula. Right after this, I want to talk more about clutch

(12:13):
and what what what does it meanto be clutch and why is that an
important thing to have in Where hassomebody recently said to me one of the
quivers in your a bow in yourquiver right, or an arrow in your
quiver? Why is clutch um animportant element? Well, I think homy

(12:33):
D says that the ideas said itsaid it was probably the most honored,
honored statement a person can make,is that Fred is crutch. So what's
that mean? And means that Well, when pivotal moments appear, they step
into it with confidence and trust,and that's a clutch person. It's um.

(13:00):
Crutch doesn't mean you win the day. This means that you meet the
novel situations and appears so often ingolf with you got some you to have
something in you equiver. Yeah,you are clutched at the handle this situation.
I had a situation just the otherday and it's not something that I
can usually brag about as far asbeing clutched, but I was in match

(13:26):
play. I was one up inthe eighteenth going into the eighteenth hole,
and I had a birdie putt thatwas uphill with a big break and about
eighteen feet and my opponent all heneeded to do is think about a ten
footer that was level, and Imade mine and he missed his, and

(13:48):
he was so upset with me.And it was like one of the first
times I ever felt like I neededthat and I pulled it off. What
did I do? Right, Glenn? Well, he's you had an intention,
and well, you know, it'sa to beat. Clutch doesn't mean

(14:09):
that you always pull it off.It just means when you guys got that
eighteen footer as a two foot breakin it, this means you're prepared for
it and you know how, youknow exactly what to do, you know
how to line it up, youknow how to trust your stroke, you
know everything, and sometimes it goesin. You know, during Durner around,

(14:33):
for a dinner around, you couldhave six clutch moments or you could
have one. Uh, It's notlike Kevin Sutherland was on the eighteenth tee
in twenty seventeen, the five parand if he pars a whole, he's
got one stroke whig he wins toswap cut. So what's he do?

(14:54):
Well, he does what he's donefor thirty five years. He's he's practiced
it, and he went to theteam and did exactly exactly the same thing.
He keeps it really, really simple, and so that is me.
So he sees the drive going overthe left corner of the bunker, and

(15:16):
he fries it, and he makesa routine bar, and so he wins
a shoke cup. Doesn't mean thatdoesn't mean that he is going to win
the day. It just means whenhe gets to that situation, he is
ready. I'll take that. Iwas actually prepared for that putt, yeah,

(15:37):
but the fact that it went inwas a completely different, different conversation.
But you know, we talk aboutI'm being in the zone. We
talk about that a lot on thisshow. That's why we call it Golf
Smarter. But we talk about themetal game and being part of that and
being in the zone. But isbeing in the zone the same as being
clutch as far as the clutch golferformulas. Incent So I'm gonna I'm gonna

(16:02):
shoot down that some of the peopleare just way too much conversation about the
zone. The zone is something thatthat that we get to at the top
of the pyramid when we do everythingalong the way, all the stuff they're
here to put in. It doesn'thappen by chance. It happens because we're
really prepared and we get there andit's a lot of fun, and we're

(16:27):
not always there, but we're preparedfor when it happens that we're there's a
free flowing, floating kind of sensationthat comes when we're in this proverbial thing
called the zone. Um No,I think it's a different, different thing

(16:49):
clutches um is in intention. Infact, by the way, there was
a study gun interesting. I waslooking in the applied sports psychology studies and
there's a study was talking about theflow, which is of course the zone,

(17:10):
and they found in the study ofit, they found that there was
another concept that appeared, and thatconcept with clutch. It was really interesting.
We have that in the book somewherein the book. I know that
a crutch is you and tend tobe clutched, you intend to be if

(17:30):
we're in the zone. It justkind of happens because of all the things
we've done before in preparation for it, and all of a sudden, you
know, we're we're in kind ofa flow that we weren't in before.
But crutches, we intend to beclutched. That's the difference, big difference.

(17:52):
Oh that's interesting. Well but whatabout you know, having and developing
an efficient mental game? Um,how does that impact the importance of swing
technique or even getting fitted and havingthe correct equipment for you? Are they
do they compliment? Do they contrast? How do you do? It's I

(18:18):
know, that's good, it's it'sa good question because, of course we
know the stream of cash or thegolf professionals is to sell equipment and fix
your swing, and so efficent tohop those as much as they can because
that's where they make the money,and they don't make the money selling visualization

(18:41):
or managing your motions. But ifyou want to you want to play below,
you better you better do some stuffin your mental game as well.
For example, let's say that justtalk about practice to deliver practice, I
would say that golfers violate the principlesof really good practice more than any other

(19:03):
sports people. They stand there andthey hit a bucket of seven irons,
and after two or three shots they'rethey're working on and actually after one shot
the rest of them we really don'tcount because when we play for we only
get one shot at it. Solet's change a living practice. Let's just

(19:26):
make sure we well call it firstshot practice and if to somebody that has
a reasonable model skill you you geta different different targets. Let's say that
that you only can hit the ballstraight. Okay, you don't have all
these skills that curving the ball leftto ride and flow and high, but

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you hit it straight. So you'rethe seven irons straight at the target.
Then you change and go to anothertarget. Make sure use your full pre
shot routine. Then you another club, and now you get an eight iron
or you get a five iron,and you change targets each time, much
like we do when we play.If we hit it the same target with

(20:12):
the same club time after time,it's like black mathematics. Fret, what's
two times two four? Oh?That one I can do three times three?
Well, now you're getting difficult.Nine five times five, twenty five,

(20:33):
thirteen times twenty seven. I don'tknow, I know, I have
to get have to get my phoneout for that. I stole that from
Adam Young, who I think itis pretty good teacher, and it goes
from and it's it's a great thingbecause we don't know what we're kind of
run into out there. So whenwe practice, let's practice and make our

(20:59):
practice is novel. I don't carewhat your skill level is. You can
still change targets and change clubs andyou can still work on your technique at
the same time. But anyway,right, I don't want to get off
subject. But we started with slowand clutch and the crutch person to really

(21:21):
prepare for what's going to happen outthere is the exactly change the way to
practice. And we call the firstshot practice like that a lot. I
like that a lot. I'm gonnathink about that for a minute. We're
gonna take another break. We'll beback right after. Another sponsor, Glenn,

(21:45):
you you talked about going through yourpreshot routine but varying your shots.
And it's really interesting because, yeah, on the driving range, whether it's
warming up or practicing, it's it'sthe same shot over and over and over
again until you feel like you gotit right. And then as soon as
you get one right, you maybe moving on from there, which is
not really helping you that much.But um, what is them is not

(22:10):
helping you. It's not going tohelp you at all at all, not
just much at all. No it'sif indeed you're working on some technique we're
doing, just recently with the teacherof my grandson, is that you're teaching
them something new what to do animpact position. But in doing it at

(22:34):
you change, you still change targets, and you still change clubs even though
you're cheasing them a new technique,because if you continue to hit the same
shot at the same target at thesame speed after the it's just not rewarding.
That's, by the way, thirteentimes twenty seven. I do that

(23:00):
it often. And I had aguy the other day. They've answered,
right, he was able to doit and instead anyway, so you know,
anyway, that's uh. I feelstrongly about that. That was a
passion for teasing people no matter age, no matter there's still level of their

(23:22):
gender. Please just put some justput a little texture in your practice and
it's going to really going to helpyour gain. I like that texture in
your practice. So, but let'stalk about a preshot routine and what's the
elements that create what you call inthe book a failsafe preshot routine. Well,

(23:48):
Fail says prefail routine is one thathas that we start in a certain
place you take that same number ofsteps as you're going to your SA and
you put the club behind the balland you you when you're the time it
takes to get back to the ballagain. It could be about the same

(24:12):
time lapp so, but thpeaking aboutthe timing of it it It need to
be the same. And then weput words. We want to use words
that's in phrases that connect to whatwe want to feel and when we swing.
So in the one we offer inclutch is blacklow, fire, So

(24:34):
those words that meaning. So youstanding behind the ball, you say walk,
I mean you're walk into the strategythat's committed to that s it's your
game, that's a good work.Then you walk in the same number of
steps three steps. You walk inand you're set up and you're loaded.

(24:55):
Loading it means that you have totarget. You loading the target, you
lad in the swing that matches whatyou see and then you're fired and you're
fire away. So those words,those words have meaning. And then there's
a lot of words that are meaningsee feel trust is one, think box,

(25:17):
playbox, uh, any any wordyou're using your routine that connects to
what you want to feel. Andthen in the lufboat fire hold. It
means after you hit the shot,then you can stay there for two or
three seconds. You know that.Man I thrust that one and remember it.

(25:40):
Well, man, that was thinned, so you have some time to
get back and get ready for thatshot. So the routine is a starter
pistol. That's where we start,and that's where we start the game.
And you can start, teachers canstart, or you can ask your teas

(26:03):
here start helping you to develop yourroutine at a young age. And you
don't have to be you know,a thirteen point two to have a routine.
I mean I watched the the econold ladies and they all have a
routine, well some of them do. Yeah, so's it's where you start

(26:25):
the action. Yeah, I'm curiousin hearing it. I think of,
you know, like ready fire,aim, ready, aim, fire,
whatever. But you should it beload lock fire. Don't you load the
information into your head, lock itin and then step up and fire or
what am I missing here? Well? Always a lock blow fire? Is

(26:49):
that the way that came up?But Eric and originated that one. And
all right, some of the wordshave meaning. I don't use those myself
when I play you see feel trustyou know that's mine and you can come
up with whatever words you want thatfits with what you want to feel.

(27:12):
But lock as meaning means locked inthe strategy, locked in the commitment.
So that's the meaning I get fromluck and load it. You go in
there and you get it, you'reset up, then you load it in.
You know, one of my youngplayers that work was set it this

(27:34):
way. If this is an exampleyou use, he says, I'm gonna
go I'm an astronaut, Okay.So the first thing I do is I
opened the door and I locked it, okay. And the next thing I

(27:55):
do is I get the fuel in. I feel it, And the next
thing I do is at fire.It's for him. Uh. That really
had great veaning. Yeah, that'spretty simple. That was it. Yeah.
Interesting. So many of the teachersthat I talked to um and I'm

(28:15):
not one to dispute it because Idon't have the history of knowledge to do
so. But so many people talkabout Ben Hogan's secret, and it's pretty
much on mechanics that they talk aboutdiscovering Ben Hogan's secret and try to interpret
it and going through the book andfinding old videos of Hogan but you talk

(28:37):
about Scott mccaren's secret. What's thedifference between what Scott mccaren's secret is and
what Ben Hogan's secret is. Well, I don't know what Ben Hogan's secret
is. You're not not sure anybodydoes. It's great character of the ball,
and he had a really clearer presencecentered mind and got mccarren some honey.

(29:03):
He he went, he watched theseniors play and because he wasn't he
wasn't in playing any golf, youknow, and when he got out,
when he got out of UCLA,but he saw the long putters and he
went to the guarage and made one, made it a long futterer, and
he hit a couple of strokes withit, and he said, I'm fired
up. He was spoked. Heturned pro and he called me that the

(29:27):
next day in nineteen ninety two.So was his secret the way he practices.
Usually listen to his podcast. Heit's just beautiful and regards to he
does not hit the same shot twice. He does not, and then there

(29:48):
there might be a circumstance would hedo that. I'd bean he was learning,
you know, to some adjustment andhis lopside or something. But the
heart of his practice was first shot. That's the same thing with the Kirktfoot,
same thing with Bran Joe, samething with Charlie Wee. Same thing
for sure was Kevin's otherland. Youknow, they all these are all good

(30:12):
players, of course, but theyall really practiced in similar ways. We
listened to the podcast Julie Inkster.She might get the toughest minded of anybody
I've ever talked to. Her practiceis the same. It's steel trap And

(30:33):
so I hope I answered your question. So what are you saying that that
was the secret of the secret ofScott's. You know, I think the
secret of Scott's was his motivation andhis willingness to put in the time and
of the practice, you know,because he had some rough the rough time

(30:56):
there and lost his card in twosand twelve. He's trying to swing the
wrong way. He was a broadcasterand he was two birthdays away from the
senior tour. And what he tellsme, he says, excuse me,
but I'm not going to try toswing the sway anymore. I'm a swing
an I was a kid again,and I'm going to have the rhythm and

(31:19):
temple and flow that I had then, And it didn't take long once he
started doing that, and you knowthe you know the rest of the story,
you know, one eleven times anda major you know, in the
four years he's on you know thoseguys that are not going to get to
play again until September by the way, Sorry, No, it's amazing.

(31:45):
It's amazing. The secret, Yeah, paulkan used to say, the secret
is in the dirt, and possiblymccaren and some of the rest the secrets
in the dirt, Secrets in thepractice, secret deliberateness of their practice and
practicing. Yeah, and and nothitting the one shot over and over,

(32:07):
but getting variety into all your shotswith each of your clubs. It's not
like just scraping hit and scraping hiton balls out of a bucket, right,
No, it's just and it's violatedall the time. There's a there's
a group of Stocking Country club thatmy friend Rob who's the great gambler,

(32:29):
bring some guys in and and theyhave the play for some pretty good money.
And so one day I went downthere to check them out. They're
all pretty good players, and who'sclutch, Who's qlutch? So we're all
quutch. But yes, every timeyou go to the range, you reinvent

(32:52):
your swing. You're in the wrongpath. Yeah, and we reinventing by
hitting a bucket of seven irons andvideotaping every every third one, reinventing what
we do because you're can have preparedfor competition, you know you are.

(33:15):
You got to you know, yougot to first rout of breakfast. M
hm. You want to get oneshot? You know? Do you want
to get one? Yep, unlessunless you're really screwed it up. Yea,
we call that a second swing allAmerican. Well, well I did.
There's nothing, there's nothing on thatmind is clear, And of course

(33:40):
the secret than is make your mindclear for the first one, and the
mental game can help you. Yeah, in that regard um. And you
know, but when you talk about, you know, going into competition and
getting prepared for that, But whatabout the rest of us? What about
those who don't go out there tocompete, just to enjoy ourselves, have

(34:01):
good time. And now I'm referringback to the book The Clutch Golfer Formula.
From a two time World long drivechampion and a professor PhD in sports
psychology, what can the fifteen handicapgolfer hire you know mid to upper a
handicap golfer. Get out of thisbook. Why is this going to be

(34:22):
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are buying a book, the oneto buy the book are so good.
There's their teams in fifteens and probablymore men than not on than women.
U who we think these are theones uh really can process because they can

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probably low the practice. H yes, indeed that and there's the stories in
there are with good players. Butthe stories are so applical, you know,
to to everybody at plays. Okay, so the majority of people play
for social reasons. They have aguy, they have some guys. They

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play with the guys they play with, and they might bet a little bit,
they might not, but they're therefor the social reasons and why not.
Also, you know, be clutch, you know, develop some of
the skills that the crutch players havethat are in the Crutch book, so
you can enjoy the game even moreif being crutches not a two handicappit guying

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the tour. Being clutches is beingable. You play once a week,
maybe you practice once a week.Those are the guys that they're they're definitely
in the profit from the stuff that'sin this book. Awesome, Glenn.
I'm so glad that you're well enoughagain to talk to us and to share
your wisdom. It is always atreat to talk to you, and I

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wish you good health going forward.Thanks so much for your time. Thanks,
but it's back. This was funto talk about things I'd love to
talk about, and so I hadjust offered you. I just want you
to remember that the perfect swing isreally the one you trust. So we're
going to learn more about how totrust you swing, and you're going to

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make more of those eighteen footers.