July 21, 2023 • 37 mins
John Novasel, creator of Tour Tempo returns for Pt2 to break down how the short game backswing to contact ratio is actually 2:1 vs the 3:1 swing ratio of a full swing that is consistent with the greatest players of all time. This episode was originally published in December 2011 as a Members Only episode, so it’s the first time it’s been released to the public.
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that are no longer available in anypodcast app. The guy had two bunker
shots during the round after he workedwith our stuff, and he hit him
both six within six feet of thepen and they just, you know,
nice soft landing and everything. Andhe says, is playing partner's remark on
how pro like a swing book.And so that's the other thing that we
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found out for the long game thatamateurs don't swing tempo wise as fast as
the pros. And then on theshore game they swing too fast compared to
their pros. With another interview fromthe archives of Golf Smarter, here's your
host Fred Green. A little sneakthere. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter
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podcast, this time for members only. John, Okay, you're glad to
be back. Put that away.What are you playing with? Did you
bring enough for everybody? Okay,yes, idea. Let's we were getting
into the conversation about about getting intothe two to one. And I'm really
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intrigued by the fact that you foundthat for the short game that's a two
to one ratio versus the three toone ratio. Which club is it that
we now need to go? Allright? And it's hard enough changing your
swing for every shot the amateur golferat what club? You go? All?
Right? From here? I haveto go from my three to one
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tempo to my two to one tempo, right, and let me go ahead
and play those for you so you'llhave an idea of what they sound like.
I think that's important. Sure,let's get started right there. So
what I'll do is, I'll startwith the long game. When I remember
we talked about Tiger Woods and hewas twenty four eight at winning the Masters,
winning well, winning well, twentyfour eight at Bethpage, winning the
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opening two. Basically, we're gonnaI'll give you the twenty four eight,
which was his long game tempo.Is that coming through? Okay? Yeah,
it sounds great. I'm dancing,Okay, all right, now I'm
gonna switch to a short game,tampo. I'm gonna go back a long
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game. Give me with the youwere doing your son's voice on doing the
words, uh huh. Do youhave that on the two to one as
well? I don't have that ontwo to one yet. We're gonna We're
gonna have that, but not yet. All right, can you vocalize it?
What? How that works? Sure? Let's go back to the short
game I've got. I'm telling youthe bomb, bomp bomb. I'm now.
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When I stand at the at theT box with my dr people like,
what are you doing? And I'mtapping my driver. Dont, dont,
dont that's it, you got itexactly. I'm tapping two three four,
And when I'm ready, I'm likewhack. I smack the driver down
to the ground. I step upto the ball and go yeah, yeah,
exactly. Well, this is thesame thing. It's swing set through,
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swing set through, swing set through, and that's the short game.
That's one Tiger's petting his best.He's sixteen eight oh and so basically that
been here again what we talked about, much more even swing um than with
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the with the driver, which ishas got a faster down swing and is
a much more even tempo. Yes, absolutely, it's much more even and
much much smoother. And I actuallylike to warm up on the range with
the short game tempo, even withan iron, just to get started because
I feel like I have more timeon the backswing. I don't know if
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that's just me or what, butI think it's a good idea. Then
once you get past what we callan al drill, you can go to
the three to one and it'll feelmuch better. And then the interesting thing
in our newest book, to ourtempo, to the short game and beyond,
is we have a thing called theforce. And that was the question
you had about when I have thesedifferent tempos, how do I take it
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to the course. And this thingthat we call the force is I think
one of our it's going to bereally one of our best contributions to golf.
It's the last chapter in the book, and let everybody read it and
they can see what it's all about. Not even a tease. I mean,
that's just come on, man,this is the members only group,
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a very unique audience, and youand I'll tell you something about the golf
Smarter from members only audience. They'llgo out and buy the book. So
give me a tease. Come on, okay, okay, I'll give it
to you. All right, Well, what happened was Junior as presented tour
tempo to the PGAF Sweden. They'vedone, they had him in for to
go to Sweden to give a talkto the teachers there, the PGA teachers
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at their workshop, and then alsohe's presented just last this year at the
PGA of the Netherlands Holland, andso basically he wanted to refreshen up his
presentation, so he emailed Bob Grover, who is our Yale physicists that proved
our theory, and he asked him. Bob also had another part of the
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paper about what happens physically on thegolf swing, and he likens it to
a spring that is twisted and thenreleased and basically it has a certain ratio
of force ratio. And so heand Junior corresponded some more back and forth
on exactly what he meant by that. It's a little bit beyond me,
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but how we translated is into awhat we call all the force drill,
and this drill is absolutely just fantasticon I think on helping you be more
consistent in the swing and helping youhave an easy distinction between long game and
short game swings. So that's kindof the stuff on the Force. It's
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and if you if you look onAmazon with some of the reviews, the
guys that have used it are prettypleased with it. I bet I bet
so. I don't know if youanswered my question about at what point do
you say this is the club Ineed to go to a two to one?
Oh? Okay? Well, basicallyI would say, depending on how
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good the player is, they shouldjust practice with a little bit practice with
the tones at two to one fromone hundred yards in and basically most most
players it would be probably about fiftyor sixty yards in where they'd start on
the two to one. Okay,so it's close. It's yeah, anytime
you're doing a full swing, that'sgoing to be three to one. It's
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the full swing versus okay, knockdownpartial swings. Uh. It's kind of
interesting on this force thing. I'lljust give you all the first My co
authors is his whole family is biginto golf. His brother his name was
Tom Garretty. He's one of thebest players that ever come out of Kansas
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City. Was on the PGA tourin the fifties and sixties, and basically
John Dad was a big golf playeras far as you know, enthusiast,
enthusiastic about it, and I've we'veI've known John for over ten years now,
and after we did this drill,we went out to the course and
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we we played, and he hitsome of the best shots. Not only
that I've ever seen him hit that, I've seen anybody at our course hit,
and any pros hit. Uh.They were just unbelievable. Uh they
were you know, they just wereright on the on the flag and every
time you look at it, hewas ten feet away or three feet away
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or something like that. The winddidn't bother him. They were just quite
incredible. And he's he's been playingthe best golf of his life. He's
I think it's this year was thefirst time he's got to be in his
late sixties and this is the firsttime he's ever been under par on a
golf round and he's been playing sincehe's you know, teenager. Well,
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if that's not a testimonial, Idon't know what yah. Yeah, I
mean, I can't get much betterthan that. Yeah. Wow, that
but that But to answer your question, it's any anything that's any time you're
getting close to into the green andyou want accuracy over distance, then the
two to one ratio is what you'relooking for. As you were explaining it,
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I started, um thinking about variousshots that I've taken, and I'll
know that, uh, greenside bunkersum caught up under trees and have to
have a low shot, right,Yeah, I think about It's like when
I screw those up is when I'mrushing it, when my swing gets very
fast and when I'm trying to easeit back. But I didn't realize I
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need to go to a two toone versus the you know, the three
to one, but still but gettingit into a better rhythm. And it's
so easy to for your tendency torush those kind of shots. Yeah,
those those have a little pressure appliedto you from the shot. And also
that grip really hard too. Yeah. Yeah, the hearty grip, the
better it is. No, basically, that's exactly what you're saying, is
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correct, is that the accuracy forshots and uh. For example, one
of the reviews on Amazon for thenew book about the you know bunker shots
are round a green The guy hadtwo bunker shots during the round after he
worked with our stuff and he hehit him both six within six feet of
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the pin and they just you know, nice soft landing and everything. And
he says, is playing partners remarkon how pro like the swing looked,
and so that that's the other thingthat we found out for the long game,
the amateurs don't swing tempo wise asfast as the pros. And then
on the shore game they swing toofast compared to the pros. Yeah,
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so it's pretty interesting on how that'sall worked out. And when you say
as fast as the pros, now, are you talking about the twenty seven
nine or yeah, yeah, I'mtalking about it. But they're and they're
not even they're not even at athree to one tempo right exactly, They're
not as fast and they're tempos off. And we had we had one guy
came in for a VIP school,which I should point out we're going to
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have a couple of those this yearand and uh, well next year.
I always think of that this year, but it's going to be we're having
one in Scottsdale in February. Thenwe'll probably have some February twelve, Ferry
twenty and twelve, and we're alsogoing to have a couple of VIP schools
hopefully at the new Patriot Course inTulsa, Oklahoma. Dan Rooney is the
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guy that started the Folds of Foldsof Folds of Honor, I believe it
is. And that's where the uh, you know, they're they contribute funds
to our men in the uniform thatI've lost their lives and to their children
to give them college educations. It'sa really great cause and they but they've
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got a brand new course down there. It's it's one of the top courses
in the country already we think we'regonna probably put on some schools there.
But but one of the first guysthat came into our school, uh when
we first wrote the book, andhis tempo I believe was fifty six to
eleven. And so when you cometalking about frames again yet eleven, Yeah,
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so think about fifty six about oneright, yeah, yeah, right,
And think about Tiger being twenty fourframes back. This guy's fifty six
frames back. Take a nap,yeah, and you know what, Yeah,
all he's heard is low and slow, and so you know, that's
what everybody's heard, and so that'swhat they tend to do. And then
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then the course, there was alwaysthe confusion between what looks smooth and what
was fast. And the thing weasked in the original book is and we
should ask now, is to youwho has the quicker tempo, Greg Norman
or Ernie Els And what would beyour logical answer? Norman, Yeah,
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that's what everybody would say. Butguess well, is so smooth so it
never looks kidding. They're both thesame. Now maybe a frame quicker,
you know than an Orman. That'sreally interesting. So you can't tell with
your eyes what the tempo is,and so what everybody's attempted to do is
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the swing so slow that they looksmooth, and of course that doesn't work.
So so you have to go tothe tones, and we recommend and
refreshing yourself on those every once ina while also. But that that's one
of the things that we found,is that what you see with your eyes
is not always you know, becausenobody, nobody would believe that Ernie Els
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is the same speed as Greg Norman. As far as him, no,
I'm fascinating counterintuitive. Yeah, soit's it's the same as tempo. But
are they both like a twenty foureight type of tempo? Yeah? Twenty
four eight actually actually greg is twentyfive eight. And here's an interesting fact.
When he blew the Masters, hehad a five or six stroke lead
in Faldo one. On the sixteenthhole, he was teeing off. He
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dumped it in the water. Okay, he was thirty two eight on that
swing. Okay, So what mywhole theory on that deal was is that
he was trying to protect his leadin trying to swing slow on the back
swing, maybe on not on purpose, but maybe subconsciously. And so if
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his normal good swings twenty five eight, and so he's added seven frames,
which is about almost thirty percent moretime. Yeah, and so all of
a sudden, now he's pulling himin the water. You know, he's
stuck it. You know, he'scome to sixteenth hole and he sticks it
right in the water on the lefthand side. So basically that's what tempo
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can do to you. So Norman'stwenty five eight, what is else?
Els is twenty four? He wastwenty four eight. Now, an interesting
thing on Ernie Els he's not playinggreat lately, and the reason is his
downswing is now about ten and sobasically he's slowed his downswing for some reason.
It's another thing that's happened to VJ. Singh. Why he's not playing
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well lately is that he used tobe a nice twenty four eight and now
he's also twenty four ten down.And so these guys are too slow on
they're actually probably doing a little bitof casting or something at the top,
and they're not swinging the club backdown. So everybody's got a theory why
so and so's not winning on thetour, And of course, especially like
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Johnny Miller and the announcers, theyall have a theory of what's working and
what's not working. Has anybody approachedyou or has anybody started talking about the
tempo the tour tempo? Yeah,quite a bit. We've yeah, we've
done. We do a thing onSyria sixm on Brian Catricks Show, and
we generally will put the we'll lethim know what the tempo numbers are on
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the winners of the previous week's PGATour event, and uh, it's it's
uh, it's pretty interesting that whenhe starts talking about that, and and
basically we've also done Junior, myson, John Junior and John Garretty went
down to the tournament in al Paso. I was el Paso and that was
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San Antonio. That's Champions Tour.They were on the Champions Tour segment of
the learning center. They had anice little five minute segment and they actually
went up to one of the guysthat was practicing for the pro am and
put him through the tones and improvedhis swing immediately. And that they we
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were on the Golf Channel. Thatwas back and I think it was probably
October, but yeah, they sowe have been getting some press on that.
Fabulous, fabulous. I'll tell youwhen we did our Golf Smarter Adventure
to Prague back in two thousand andnine. Uh lu Nusbaum one of the
people who traveled with us from andhe came from southern California. Lou had
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his iPhone. It was a newthing at the time. I was like,
ooh, iPhone. And he tookvideo of me taking a swing and
send it to me. And itwas just around the time that you and
I spoke. So I had itup on my computer and I did you
know, I put it up herein quick time and with the arrows,
the right and left arrows, Istarted counting as soon as I started my
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backswing. Click to three and youcan count and everyone should try this,
right, do it your iPhone,dry pads, your pocket camera. They
all do video now, so it'sreal simple to do. And if in
fact, you have a flipcam ora pocket came or anything that you can
get a sixty frame per second,that's even better because you can slow it
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down and really see what's going on. But thirty frame per second is all
you need and you can click andcount for yourself what you're doing. It's
you don't need a coach for thisright now, you can do this yourself.
You can do yourself. Just putit on quick time and just advance
of frame one at a time andcount the ratio and there you are.
Yeah. I was twenty seven ninewhen I did that. I was like
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nice, not yeah, I waslike cool, okay, and it's it's
definitely helped. It's definitely something thatevery recreational, every amateur golfer should be
conscious of. UM and those guyswho were saying I can't slow down,
I can't, It's like, dude, you can if you want to.
You're not gonna get any better ifyou keep doing the same thing. Cut
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it out. That's right exactly you'vementioned m Junior a number of times.
And I know you have three sons. Is Junior the long drive champ?
Yeah? So yeah, I sharethis. This cracks me up. No,
he's not a big guy. No, he's a little guy. So
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what he's about four foot three?No, he's well comparibly speaking, you
know, most of the guys.When I first took my number three cents
back in ninety five over ninety sixto Saint Louis, he made the regionals
in the long Remax long drive andso Scott was pretty athlete kid. He's
about you know, five eleven,one seventy five and he hit a three
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three forty two or something to makethe finals. But that was that.
But for some reason Junior got interestedin it. And he's only about maybe
five eleven, six foot and onesixty five and he's he's hit at four
h two and remax and four hundredand two yards before it hit the ground
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right well, well total length yeah, okay, okay, yeah, with
roll and that's his best. Youknow, when he's doing well in Remax,
he's averaging three seventy five, threeeighty and uh. Basically he's just
the guys that were competing against JerryJerry, Well, I think it's Jerry
Jones, Jerry Johnson. I forget. He used to be mister California.
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And when we first saw him,when I took Scott to Saint Louis,
and he's like six seven, abouttwo seventy, you know, and he's
out there hitting a five iron abouttwo fifty. I'm going, oh wow.
And all the rest of these guys. I went with Junior to Saint
Louis. So when he qualified,and uh, we're talking guys that are
ext you know, Padre Pitchers andthe guy was built like a refrigerator without
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a head. And I mean,you know, these are the biggest guys
you've ever seen, and they're justyou know, they're they're huge. And
so mostly what Junior does it's it'sclub at speed and impact. And so
that's that's. This is an interestingthing you might as well share with your
your listeners is we've been putting allthese b IP schools since the year about
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two o four, two to fouractually, and a revelation occurred this last
one that we had, and thisguy was a physician from Maryland that came
into the school in Lawrence, Kansas, and we Junior is a rep for
flight Scope, and so basically weflights gope for everybody to start off and
see where they're you know, wherethey're hitting them and that kind of stuff.
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And so what we first did,we did that and then we introduced
them to the Tones, and thenwe introduced them to our new power tools
club. And so basically, thisguy's name is Marty's a great guy,
and we worked with him for aboutan hour and we already had his flight
scope information and his average was likeabout ninety eight miles an hour with the
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driver Kay. The interesting part isthat when we when we fix your impact
as far as squareness and all therest of the things that need to happen,
you don't have to really increase theclubbits feed a lot. This was
a revelation to me because we alwaysused to always like to increase clubits feed
a lot. We increase his clubhits feed an average or three miles prior
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to one oh one. But whathappened is all of a sudden, out
of seven shots, you know thatmost of them, six of them were
in the fairway, and they werethirty yards farther on the average carry than
what they were before. He startedwith the tones and the power tools,
and so to me that was I'mgoing like, this doesn't compute because you'll
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usually get two point two yards aroundcarry off a driver as far as you
know, clubheads speed and so wedon't want to got three. But he
increases carry distance thirty yards and ofcourse all these were down the middle,
you know, is his highest speed. On one of his first swings will
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before when we first analyzed him,it was actually a duck hook, but
it was like one hundred and four. But of course it you know,
it was one of those ones likeTiger hit a one hundred and eighty yards
with a duck hook one of thosetournaments this year. And so basically that
to me was a revelation. Sobasically, when you get the tempo right
and when you get the mechanics rightwith our power tools club, a lot
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of things work out for you.Unbelievable. Um, give us a little
shot about the VIP schools and wherewe can find more information about that.
Yeah, absolutely, Well, theVIP schools, we've been doing that and
uh there there they are truthfully VIPschools. We have a basic charge form
and what it's all inclusive the thingthat got me started on all this stuff
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is I went to a nationally famousgolf school in Florida in nineteen eighty eight
because I was either going to giveup golf, quit it, or get
better. I've been playing, youknow, I've been playing about and I
think we want to do every singleround. Yeah, everybody's been there,
absolutely yeah. And I'm going like, you know, I have I have
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a neighbor that we moved into ourhouse we're living in now in nineteen seventy
seven, and about nineteen eighty eightshe was doing she took up painting,
and she had been doing it aboutten years, and she was doing stuff
for you know, you know,Indiana University on their brochures and uh might
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have been uh UCLA, you know, colleges and things like that, and
she was she was to me,it was a pretty much the almost world
class painter. And it took herten or eleven twelve years to do it.
And I've been playing golf for youknow, thirty years. I'm not
getting any better. So I'm goinglike, what's what's wrong with this picture?
Why? You know, somebody elsecan do painting and they can be
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great in ten years and here I'mI'm not doing so well at golf,
and I'm more putting all this timeinto it, and so uh, that's
uh, that's kind of where Iwhere it all started. I went down
to this golf school, and Igot worse when I got back. You
know, it was probably one ofthe worst rounds I ever played in my
life. And all all they didwas work. You know, we beat
balls for three hours every day inthe morning, and then they comment on
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different things your swings doing. Andwhen I went out and tried to play
when I got back as horrible.So basically, what what this school does
is we don't we pick you upat the airport with a limo and we
all stayed together, and Lawrence,we stay at my son's bed and breakfast
the house in house in Scottsdale.We're gonna have that one in be February
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the seventeenth, twenty and twelve,and we'll be standing two minutes from Troon
North Clubhouse and one of the privateresidences there. February. How many days,
yeah, b seventeenth, eighteenth andnineteen, so it'll be three days.
And so basically we found we foundout that when you're living together,
eating your meals together and all thatkind of stuff. That's what we call
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it VIP because from the time youget into the airport, we're gonna let
me out to the house. Wetake care of all your green fees,
all the you know, the rangefees, the transportation and the meals,
the lodging, everything, and it'sall inclusive. And so that's what I
like, you know right away,they're not going to get charged for anything
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once you get you know, onceyou get to the airport, you're you're
taking care of And so we've hadwe get you out tremendous results with those
schools and we all have a greattime. It's it's, uh, it's
almost an instant bond with the guywho's that we have come in because they're
all interested in improving their game andinterested in the game of golf and and
uh we usually just invariably have agreat time at those but uh, those
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those uh here again, we startedthose just from the fact that it gave
me a great opportunity to work withdifferent golfers and see what worked for them
and of all the tools that weuse, and so basically what they come
away with is they come away withour our Speedball Kit, which Tommy Watson
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is now using. And uh,we're also they also come with our power
tools system. It's a new thingthat we just come up with. It's
about that in a minute. Okay, great without that, Okay, well
anyway, that that's what that's ourBIP. It's right on the website when
you go to turtempo dot com ifyou'll go down to our VIP school and
then they'll have some various pages onthat, but it's basically what you'll learn
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as you learn. You're going tolearn a bunch of drills at the school
and you'll have the implements and thetools to you know, anytime your swing
gets off, you'll be able toget it back on track just by using
the drills and the tools that wegive you. So that's a pretty neat
little system to you know, forthe rest of your life. Yeah.
Uh, that's tour Tempo dot Com. Yes, okay, great power tools.
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I definitely want to get into thatbefore we go, because you I
completely honest with you. You youforwarded one to me so I can take
a swing and a peek at itand I don't get it. Okay,
Well here again, it's probably oneof those deals where I'm my sons say
this, So I don't know ifI ever or not, but I'm usually
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ahead of the curve for you,you know, because the product that I
initially developed was a speedball. Iwas back in nineteen ninety and we ended
up with six LPGA gals used andsome guys on the PGA who are Mike
Springer you might remember him from theCalifornia I think from Sacramento area. And
basically though it was, it's differentand what and what we found out is
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that it increased clip at speed andit increased squarenest impact squareness at impact.
And that's what here again we weretalking about earlier with the VIP school.
Once you do that, you don'tneed to increase the clip at speed a
lot. You get all the advantageof a square hit. And I shouldn't
mention that on that one that weflight scope. On every shot that Marty
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took with his driver before they wereall over ten thousand rpm side spin,
and on every shot that he tookafter the training with the power tools and
the tour tempo, they were underten thousand side spin. So that was
the big difference in the distance.Is all of a sudden, now this
ball's going with with top spin insteadof sidespin. But anyway, the that
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that that's catching on pretty big timenow. Alver mill If his brother Dick
was coach to coach for the coachNFL and uh All is the only trainer
that has I think basketball championship ringand an NFL ring. Wow. And
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he actually is a strong apponent ofthe speedball because of it fits the right
and you can use the right inyour workout place or at home and you
work on your golf swing. Butit was at that, you know,
twenty years ago. It was prettypretty far fetched and pretty ahead of its
time. And so that's don't feelbad because that's why the power tools is
now. Okay, So now thatI've got it in my hand and I'm
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sitting there taking swings with it whilewe're talking, what am I looking for?
What am I trying to do?Okay? Well, here's here's what's
Here's what's confusing is if you thinkof all the different theories in golf,
all right, I mean they runthe gamut, use the body, use
the hands, use the leg,blah blah bl and on and on.
Okay, all you have to learnmechanically with the power tools is you have
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to learn to hinge it on theback swing, unhinge it on the down
swing, rehinge it on the throughswing. And that's hinge. So when
you say hinge it, it's aninety degree angle, it's a nine degree
angle. When you're swinging back.It's one of the drills in the DVD.
You swing it back, you wantit to unhinge. It's gonna it's
gonna unhinge. That means you're swingingback. If you just take it back,
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that hinge is gonna stay at theninety degree angle. So it's gonna
unhinge going back. And then whenyou get to the top of the back
swing, which you only want totake about a three quarter swing, it's
gonna be ninety degrees. Now thehinge will be okay. Now, all
you do is unhinge it at impact, and then then you just rehinge it
when you get through, uh,you know, probably halfway up on the
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through swing. And so it's simplehinge it, unhinge it, rehenge it.
And that's all you really is.When I'm taking the backswing, okay,
I'm starting at a ninety degree atthe hinge. Right, So as
I'm taking my backswing, should itnot open up? Should it not know?
I want you, well, Iactually want you to start out.
Let's let's say that you I'd actuallylike you to start out with the club
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about let's say forty five degrees leftof where the ball would be. You
know where you're actually pointing. Botharms are pointing out about forty five degrees
left of where you are at adress, okay, and then you're just
gonna swing it back from there,okay, So that you're saying that the
clubs should be in front of me, yeah, croaks should be in front
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of it. You're just gonna useyour body in your arms, So pull
that back to the top of backswing. Right. Once you pull that
back, you'll find that that willunleash and now the club will straighten out
like a regular club. But thenwhen you get to the top, it's
gonna rehinge. Okay, And that, well, that also helps you has
helps you to hinge your wrist becausewe want I'm hinging your wrist so that
you create that power angle between theshaft and your forearm. And when it's
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hinged behind me, should it befacing should the hinge be facing directly down
the fairway or towards the ground orup? Well, the yeah, the
hint what if you could just allwunch is like a three fourth swing,
you know by three quarters back.So actually what will happen is it actually
is a perfect illustration of where yourclub face is also, so you can
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just imagine that's where, you know, the short part is your club face.
And so basically if you got youwant to hinge it so that that's
you know, square and basically youwant to close or you don't want to
really open. And so you don'teven have to think about that though.
All you got to think about isif you just do the drills. How
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this does? It programs the correctmovement of the swing into your body like
nothing else can when you do thedrills. We were doing the video for
this DVD at Albamar where we haveour VIP schools, and basically is getting
getting down the end is get alittle bit dark, and so Junior we
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wore him at doing going you knowthrough the various takes. Yeah, and
so he goes over, so Ineed I need to hit a couple of
balls. This feels pretty good andso he started to look like a tour
pro. He just he looks sosmooth and effortless, and the ball was
just popping off a club face.And that's because he did all the drills.
And once you go through all thedrills in the DVD, you're going
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to learn about backswing orward swings,speed, the body should be just everything
you need to do, only there'sno talking about it. You're learning and
by feel, And to me,that's the only way the golf swing can
be learned is by feel, notby trying to memorize positions, right or
watching videas. Right, Yeah,that does no good either, yes,
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exactly, well, but there's avisual here involved that that that kind of
emphasizes if you're if you're in correctposition, right oh yeah, yeah,
and that's ours. Yeah, Andand you'll the DVDs have videos to show
you exactly what positions all that shouldbe in excellent. Yeah. All right,
Well, then I'm going to startbringing this out with me to the
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practice range and before a round,just to start getting that feel for it.
Um, when what you've explained itto me, yes, and when
you get really good at it.But I want you to what I want
you to do once you've got thefeel of it as once you take the
band off and once you actually hitballs with it. Really yes without the
band, yes, So what willhappen um the hinge we'll stay locked in
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or well it'll it'll hinge just likewhat we're talking about when you take it
back, it'll hinge as soon asyou feel it hinge. That's your cou
q to start back down to impact. And then once it gets the impact,
I want you to use a mat. You know, I've got a
little a little uh two foot byone foot matt that I take with me
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or else you can see it upand give yourself little leeway because it's going
to be a little bit different tostart. And so you just want to
start with three quarter swings again andyou just hinge it unhandin re engine.
Cool. Yeah, and then youjust take that feel to the ball with
our gutter club right and the powerthe power tools are available at your website
as well. Yeah, we're soldsold out of them right now. Congratulations,
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Thanks, we will have some morein and so now the book Tour
Tempo and Tour Tempo two, therewas the Tour Tempo micro player to get
the tones, so that microplayers that'sstill available or no, it's still available.
We're facing that out because it doesn'thave them two to one. It's
got the two to one, butit doesn't have it doesn't have the voice
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tones with the apps has and howmuch are the apps? The apps?
I think the total game is twentyfour ninety five and then we have an
everyone's just the long game tones it'sfourteen ninety five. Okay, great,
and hopefully the sales are going wellwith that. Yeah, going very good
on that. Well. Congratulations,I'm I'm really happy for you. I'm
fascinated by this because it makes completesense to me, and I not only
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employ it, I'm going to continueto develop it and incorporate it into my
game. Sounds great. We'll makesure and keep in touch and let us
know how you do. And thenif I get your way, we're definitely
have to play some golf. Aha. How we're talking. I want you
to watch me and go, ohfret no, no, I know,
I think we'll be okay. John, it was great to speak with you
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again. Thanks for agreeing to dothe two part episode. We will appreciate
it and for everybody to make surethey go out to tour tempo dot com
get information about the VIP school,the power tools, the books, and
the apps. Great. That's fantastic. Appreciate all your hard work. Also
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that are no longer available in anypodcast app. The guy had two bunker
shots during the round after he workedwith our stuff, and he hit him
both six within six feet of thepen and they just, you know,
nice soft landing and everything. Andhe says, is playing partner's remark on
how pro like a swing book.And so that's the other thing that we
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found out for the long game thatamateurs don't swing tempo wise as fast as
the pros. And then on theshore game they swing too fast compared to
their pros. With another interview fromthe archives of Golf Smarter, here's your
host Fred Green. A little sneakthere. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter
(01:03):
podcast, this time for members only. John, Okay, you're glad to
be back. Put that away.What are you playing with? Did you
bring enough for everybody? Okay,yes, idea. Let's we were getting
into the conversation about about getting intothe two to one. And I'm really
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intrigued by the fact that you foundthat for the short game that's a two
to one ratio versus the three toone ratio. Which club is it that
we now need to go? Allright? And it's hard enough changing your
swing for every shot the amateur golferat what club? You go? All?
Right? From here? I haveto go from my three to one
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tempo to my two to one tempo, right, and let me go ahead
and play those for you so you'llhave an idea of what they sound like.
I think that's important. Sure,let's get started right there. So
what I'll do is, I'll startwith the long game. When I remember
we talked about Tiger Woods and hewas twenty four eight at winning the Masters,
winning well, winning well, twentyfour eight at Bethpage, winning the
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opening two. Basically, we're gonnaI'll give you the twenty four eight,
which was his long game tempo.Is that coming through? Okay? Yeah,
it sounds great. I'm dancing,Okay, all right, now I'm
gonna switch to a short game,tampo. I'm gonna go back a long
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game. Give me with the youwere doing your son's voice on doing the
words, uh huh. Do youhave that on the two to one as
well? I don't have that ontwo to one yet. We're gonna We're
gonna have that, but not yet. All right, can you vocalize it?
What? How that works? Sure? Let's go back to the short
game I've got. I'm telling youthe bomb, bomp bomb. I'm now.
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When I stand at the at theT box with my dr people like,
what are you doing? And I'mtapping my driver. Dont, dont,
dont that's it, you got itexactly. I'm tapping two three four,
And when I'm ready, I'm likewhack. I smack the driver down
to the ground. I step upto the ball and go yeah, yeah,
exactly. Well, this is thesame thing. It's swing set through,
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swing set through, swing set through, and that's the short game.
That's one Tiger's petting his best.He's sixteen eight oh and so basically that
been here again what we talked about, much more even swing um than with
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the with the driver, which ishas got a faster down swing and is
a much more even tempo. Yes, absolutely, it's much more even and
much much smoother. And I actuallylike to warm up on the range with
the short game tempo, even withan iron, just to get started because
I feel like I have more timeon the backswing. I don't know if
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that's just me or what, butI think it's a good idea. Then
once you get past what we callan al drill, you can go to
the three to one and it'll feelmuch better. And then the interesting thing
in our newest book, to ourtempo, to the short game and beyond,
is we have a thing called theforce. And that was the question
you had about when I have thesedifferent tempos, how do I take it
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to the course. And this thingthat we call the force is I think
one of our it's going to bereally one of our best contributions to golf.
It's the last chapter in the book, and let everybody read it and
they can see what it's all about. Not even a tease. I mean,
that's just come on, man,this is the members only group,
(04:47):
a very unique audience, and youand I'll tell you something about the golf
Smarter from members only audience. They'llgo out and buy the book. So
give me a tease. Come on, okay, okay, I'll give it
to you. All right, Well, what happened was Junior as presented tour
tempo to the PGAF Sweden. They'vedone, they had him in for to
go to Sweden to give a talkto the teachers there, the PGA teachers
(05:13):
at their workshop, and then alsohe's presented just last this year at the
PGA of the Netherlands Holland, andso basically he wanted to refreshen up his
presentation, so he emailed Bob Grover, who is our Yale physicists that proved
our theory, and he asked him. Bob also had another part of the
(05:34):
paper about what happens physically on thegolf swing, and he likens it to
a spring that is twisted and thenreleased and basically it has a certain ratio
of force ratio. And so heand Junior corresponded some more back and forth
on exactly what he meant by that. It's a little bit beyond me,
(05:57):
but how we translated is into awhat we call all the force drill,
and this drill is absolutely just fantasticon I think on helping you be more
consistent in the swing and helping youhave an easy distinction between long game and
short game swings. So that's kindof the stuff on the Force. It's
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and if you if you look onAmazon with some of the reviews, the
guys that have used it are prettypleased with it. I bet I bet
so. I don't know if youanswered my question about at what point do
you say this is the club Ineed to go to a two to one?
Oh? Okay? Well, basicallyI would say, depending on how
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good the player is, they shouldjust practice with a little bit practice with
the tones at two to one fromone hundred yards in and basically most most
players it would be probably about fiftyor sixty yards in where they'd start on
the two to one. Okay,so it's close. It's yeah, anytime
you're doing a full swing, that'sgoing to be three to one. It's
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the full swing versus okay, knockdownpartial swings. Uh. It's kind of
interesting on this force thing. I'lljust give you all the first My co
authors is his whole family is biginto golf. His brother his name was
Tom Garretty. He's one of thebest players that ever come out of Kansas
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City. Was on the PGA tourin the fifties and sixties, and basically
John Dad was a big golf playeras far as you know, enthusiast,
enthusiastic about it, and I've we'veI've known John for over ten years now,
and after we did this drill,we went out to the course and
(07:45):
we we played, and he hitsome of the best shots. Not only
that I've ever seen him hit that, I've seen anybody at our course hit,
and any pros hit. Uh.They were just unbelievable. Uh they
were you know, they just wereright on the on the flag and every
time you look at it, hewas ten feet away or three feet away
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or something like that. The winddidn't bother him. They were just quite
incredible. And he's he's been playingthe best golf of his life. He's
I think it's this year was thefirst time he's got to be in his
late sixties and this is the firsttime he's ever been under par on a
golf round and he's been playing sincehe's you know, teenager. Well,
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if that's not a testimonial, Idon't know what yah. Yeah, I
mean, I can't get much betterthan that. Yeah. Wow, that
but that But to answer your question, it's any anything that's any time you're
getting close to into the green andyou want accuracy over distance, then the
two to one ratio is what you'relooking for. As you were explaining it,
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I started, um thinking about variousshots that I've taken, and I'll
know that, uh, greenside bunkersum caught up under trees and have to
have a low shot, right,Yeah, I think about It's like when
I screw those up is when I'mrushing it, when my swing gets very
fast and when I'm trying to easeit back. But I didn't realize I
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need to go to a two toone versus the you know, the three
to one, but still but gettingit into a better rhythm. And it's
so easy to for your tendency torush those kind of shots. Yeah,
those those have a little pressure appliedto you from the shot. And also
that grip really hard too. Yeah. Yeah, the hearty grip, the
better it is. No, basically, that's exactly what you're saying, is
(09:46):
correct, is that the accuracy forshots and uh. For example, one
of the reviews on Amazon for thenew book about the you know bunker shots
are round a green The guy hadtwo bunker shots during the round after he
worked with our stuff and he hehit him both six within six feet of
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the pin and they just you know, nice soft landing and everything. And
he says, is playing partners remarkon how pro like the swing looked,
and so that that's the other thingthat we found out for the long game,
the amateurs don't swing tempo wise asfast as the pros. And then
on the shore game they swing toofast compared to the pros. Yeah,
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so it's pretty interesting on how that'sall worked out. And when you say
as fast as the pros, now, are you talking about the twenty seven
nine or yeah, yeah, I'mtalking about it. But they're and they're
not even they're not even at athree to one tempo right exactly, They're
not as fast and they're tempos off. And we had we had one guy
came in for a VIP school,which I should point out we're going to
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have a couple of those this yearand and uh, well next year.
I always think of that this year, but it's going to be we're having
one in Scottsdale in February. Thenwe'll probably have some February twelve, Ferry
twenty and twelve, and we're alsogoing to have a couple of VIP schools
hopefully at the new Patriot Course inTulsa, Oklahoma. Dan Rooney is the
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guy that started the Folds of Foldsof Folds of Honor, I believe it
is. And that's where the uh, you know, they're they contribute funds
to our men in the uniform thatI've lost their lives and to their children
to give them college educations. It'sa really great cause and they but they've
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got a brand new course down there. It's it's one of the top courses
in the country already we think we'regonna probably put on some schools there.
But but one of the first guysthat came into our school, uh when
we first wrote the book, andhis tempo I believe was fifty six to
eleven. And so when you cometalking about frames again yet eleven, Yeah,
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so think about fifty six about oneright, yeah, yeah, right,
And think about Tiger being twenty fourframes back. This guy's fifty six
frames back. Take a nap,yeah, and you know what, Yeah,
all he's heard is low and slow, and so you know, that's
what everybody's heard, and so that'swhat they tend to do. And then
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then the course, there was alwaysthe confusion between what looks smooth and what
was fast. And the thing weasked in the original book is and we
should ask now, is to youwho has the quicker tempo, Greg Norman
or Ernie Els And what would beyour logical answer? Norman, Yeah,
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that's what everybody would say. Butguess well, is so smooth so it
never looks kidding. They're both thesame. Now maybe a frame quicker,
you know than an Orman. That'sreally interesting. So you can't tell with
your eyes what the tempo is,and so what everybody's attempted to do is
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the swing so slow that they looksmooth, and of course that doesn't work.
So so you have to go tothe tones, and we recommend and
refreshing yourself on those every once ina while also. But that that's one
of the things that we found,is that what you see with your eyes
is not always you know, becausenobody, nobody would believe that Ernie Els
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is the same speed as Greg Norman. As far as him, no,
I'm fascinating counterintuitive. Yeah, soit's it's the same as tempo. But
are they both like a twenty foureight type of tempo? Yeah? Twenty
four eight actually actually greg is twentyfive eight. And here's an interesting fact.
When he blew the Masters, hehad a five or six stroke lead
in Faldo one. On the sixteenthhole, he was teeing off. He
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dumped it in the water. Okay, he was thirty two eight on that
swing. Okay, So what mywhole theory on that deal was is that
he was trying to protect his leadin trying to swing slow on the back
swing, maybe on not on purpose, but maybe subconsciously. And so if
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his normal good swings twenty five eight, and so he's added seven frames,
which is about almost thirty percent moretime. Yeah, and so all of
a sudden, now he's pulling himin the water. You know, he's
stuck it. You know, he'scome to sixteenth hole and he sticks it
right in the water on the lefthand side. So basically that's what tempo
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can do to you. So Norman'stwenty five eight, what is else?
Els is twenty four? He wastwenty four eight. Now, an interesting
thing on Ernie Els he's not playinggreat lately, and the reason is his
downswing is now about ten and sobasically he's slowed his downswing for some reason.
It's another thing that's happened to VJ. Singh. Why he's not playing
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well lately is that he used tobe a nice twenty four eight and now
he's also twenty four ten down.And so these guys are too slow on
they're actually probably doing a little bitof casting or something at the top,
and they're not swinging the club backdown. So everybody's got a theory why
so and so's not winning on thetour, And of course, especially like
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Johnny Miller and the announcers, theyall have a theory of what's working and
what's not working. Has anybody approachedyou or has anybody started talking about the
tempo the tour tempo? Yeah,quite a bit. We've yeah, we've
done. We do a thing onSyria sixm on Brian Catricks Show, and
we generally will put the we'll lethim know what the tempo numbers are on
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the winners of the previous week's PGATour event, and uh, it's it's
uh, it's pretty interesting that whenhe starts talking about that, and and
basically we've also done Junior, myson, John Junior and John Garretty went
down to the tournament in al Paso. I was el Paso and that was
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San Antonio. That's Champions Tour.They were on the Champions Tour segment of
the learning center. They had anice little five minute segment and they actually
went up to one of the guysthat was practicing for the pro am and
put him through the tones and improvedhis swing immediately. And that they we
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were on the Golf Channel. Thatwas back and I think it was probably
October, but yeah, they sowe have been getting some press on that.
Fabulous, fabulous. I'll tell youwhen we did our Golf Smarter Adventure
to Prague back in two thousand andnine. Uh lu Nusbaum one of the
people who traveled with us from andhe came from southern California. Lou had
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his iPhone. It was a newthing at the time. I was like,
ooh, iPhone. And he tookvideo of me taking a swing and
send it to me. And itwas just around the time that you and
I spoke. So I had itup on my computer and I did you
know, I put it up herein quick time and with the arrows,
the right and left arrows, Istarted counting as soon as I started my
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backswing. Click to three and youcan count and everyone should try this,
right, do it your iPhone,dry pads, your pocket camera. They
all do video now, so it'sreal simple to do. And if in
fact, you have a flipcam ora pocket came or anything that you can
get a sixty frame per second,that's even better because you can slow it
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down and really see what's going on. But thirty frame per second is all
you need and you can click andcount for yourself what you're doing. It's
you don't need a coach for thisright now, you can do this yourself.
You can do yourself. Just putit on quick time and just advance
of frame one at a time andcount the ratio and there you are.
Yeah. I was twenty seven ninewhen I did that. I was like
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nice, not yeah, I waslike cool, okay, and it's it's
definitely helped. It's definitely something thatevery recreational, every amateur golfer should be
conscious of. UM and those guyswho were saying I can't slow down,
I can't, It's like, dude, you can if you want to.
You're not gonna get any better ifyou keep doing the same thing. Cut
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it out. That's right exactly you'vementioned m Junior a number of times.
And I know you have three sons. Is Junior the long drive champ?
Yeah? So yeah, I sharethis. This cracks me up. No,
he's not a big guy. No, he's a little guy. So
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what he's about four foot three?No, he's well comparibly speaking, you
know, most of the guys.When I first took my number three cents
back in ninety five over ninety sixto Saint Louis, he made the regionals
in the long Remax long drive andso Scott was pretty athlete kid. He's
about you know, five eleven,one seventy five and he hit a three
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three forty two or something to makethe finals. But that was that.
But for some reason Junior got interestedin it. And he's only about maybe
five eleven, six foot and onesixty five and he's he's hit at four
h two and remax and four hundredand two yards before it hit the ground
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right well, well total length yeah, okay, okay, yeah, with
roll and that's his best. Youknow, when he's doing well in Remax,
he's averaging three seventy five, threeeighty and uh. Basically he's just
the guys that were competing against JerryJerry, Well, I think it's Jerry
Jones, Jerry Johnson. I forget. He used to be mister California.
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And when we first saw him,when I took Scott to Saint Louis,
and he's like six seven, abouttwo seventy, you know, and he's
out there hitting a five iron abouttwo fifty. I'm going, oh wow.
And all the rest of these guys. I went with Junior to Saint
Louis. So when he qualified,and uh, we're talking guys that are
ext you know, Padre Pitchers andthe guy was built like a refrigerator without
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a head. And I mean,you know, these are the biggest guys
you've ever seen, and they're justyou know, they're they're huge. And
so mostly what Junior does it's it'sclub at speed and impact. And so
that's that's. This is an interestingthing you might as well share with your
your listeners is we've been putting allthese b IP schools since the year about
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two o four, two to fouractually, and a revelation occurred this last
one that we had, and thisguy was a physician from Maryland that came
into the school in Lawrence, Kansas, and we Junior is a rep for
flight Scope, and so basically weflights gope for everybody to start off and
see where they're you know, wherethey're hitting them and that kind of stuff.
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And so what we first did,we did that and then we introduced
them to the Tones, and thenwe introduced them to our new power tools
club. And so basically, thisguy's name is Marty's a great guy,
and we worked with him for aboutan hour and we already had his flight
scope information and his average was likeabout ninety eight miles an hour with the
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driver Kay. The interesting part isthat when we when we fix your impact
as far as squareness and all therest of the things that need to happen,
you don't have to really increase theclubbits feed a lot. This was
a revelation to me because we alwaysused to always like to increase clubits feed
a lot. We increase his clubhits feed an average or three miles prior
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to one oh one. But whathappened is all of a sudden, out
of seven shots, you know thatmost of them, six of them were
in the fairway, and they werethirty yards farther on the average carry than
what they were before. He startedwith the tones and the power tools,
and so to me that was I'mgoing like, this doesn't compute because you'll
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usually get two point two yards aroundcarry off a driver as far as you
know, clubheads speed and so wedon't want to got three. But he
increases carry distance thirty yards and ofcourse all these were down the middle,
you know, is his highest speed. On one of his first swings will
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before when we first analyzed him,it was actually a duck hook, but
it was like one hundred and four. But of course it you know,
it was one of those ones likeTiger hit a one hundred and eighty yards
with a duck hook one of thosetournaments this year. And so basically that
to me was a revelation. Sobasically, when you get the tempo right
and when you get the mechanics rightwith our power tools club, a lot
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of things work out for you.Unbelievable. Um, give us a little
shot about the VIP schools and wherewe can find more information about that.
Yeah, absolutely, Well, theVIP schools, we've been doing that and
uh there there they are truthfully VIPschools. We have a basic charge form
and what it's all inclusive the thingthat got me started on all this stuff
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is I went to a nationally famousgolf school in Florida in nineteen eighty eight
because I was either going to giveup golf, quit it, or get
better. I've been playing, youknow, I've been playing about and I
think we want to do every singleround. Yeah, everybody's been there,
absolutely yeah. And I'm going like, you know, I have I have
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a neighbor that we moved into ourhouse we're living in now in nineteen seventy
seven, and about nineteen eighty eightshe was doing she took up painting,
and she had been doing it aboutten years, and she was doing stuff
for you know, you know,Indiana University on their brochures and uh might
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have been uh UCLA, you know, colleges and things like that, and
she was she was to me,it was a pretty much the almost world
class painter. And it took herten or eleven twelve years to do it.
And I've been playing golf for youknow, thirty years. I'm not
getting any better. So I'm goinglike, what's what's wrong with this picture?
Why? You know, somebody elsecan do painting and they can be
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great in ten years and here I'mI'm not doing so well at golf,
and I'm more putting all this timeinto it, and so uh, that's
uh, that's kind of where Iwhere it all started. I went down
to this golf school, and Igot worse when I got back. You
know, it was probably one ofthe worst rounds I ever played in my
life. And all all they didwas work. You know, we beat
balls for three hours every day inthe morning, and then they comment on
(24:41):
different things your swings doing. Andwhen I went out and tried to play
when I got back as horrible.So basically, what what this school does
is we don't we pick you upat the airport with a limo and we
all stayed together, and Lawrence,we stay at my son's bed and breakfast
the house in house in Scottsdale.We're gonna have that one in be February
(25:03):
the seventeenth, twenty and twelve,and we'll be standing two minutes from Troon
North Clubhouse and one of the privateresidences there. February. How many days,
yeah, b seventeenth, eighteenth andnineteen, so it'll be three days.
And so basically we found we foundout that when you're living together,
eating your meals together and all thatkind of stuff. That's what we call
(25:26):
it VIP because from the time youget into the airport, we're gonna let
me out to the house. Wetake care of all your green fees,
all the you know, the rangefees, the transportation and the meals,
the lodging, everything, and it'sall inclusive. And so that's what I
like, you know right away,they're not going to get charged for anything
(25:47):
once you get you know, onceyou get to the airport, you're you're
taking care of And so we've hadwe get you out tremendous results with those
schools and we all have a greattime. It's it's, uh, it's
almost an instant bond with the guywho's that we have come in because they're
all interested in improving their game andinterested in the game of golf and and
uh we usually just invariably have agreat time at those but uh, those
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those uh here again, we startedthose just from the fact that it gave
me a great opportunity to work withdifferent golfers and see what worked for them
and of all the tools that weuse, and so basically what they come
away with is they come away withour our Speedball Kit, which Tommy Watson
(26:32):
is now using. And uh,we're also they also come with our power
tools system. It's a new thingthat we just come up with. It's
about that in a minute. Okay, great without that, Okay, well
anyway, that that's what that's ourBIP. It's right on the website when
you go to turtempo dot com ifyou'll go down to our VIP school and
then they'll have some various pages onthat, but it's basically what you'll learn
(26:56):
as you learn. You're going tolearn a bunch of drills at the school
and you'll have the implements and thetools to you know, anytime your swing
gets off, you'll be able toget it back on track just by using
the drills and the tools that wegive you. So that's a pretty neat
little system to you know, forthe rest of your life. Yeah.
Uh, that's tour Tempo dot Com. Yes, okay, great power tools.
(27:25):
I definitely want to get into thatbefore we go, because you I
completely honest with you. You youforwarded one to me so I can take
a swing and a peek at itand I don't get it. Okay,
Well here again, it's probably oneof those deals where I'm my sons say
this, So I don't know ifI ever or not, but I'm usually
(27:47):
ahead of the curve for you,you know, because the product that I
initially developed was a speedball. Iwas back in nineteen ninety and we ended
up with six LPGA gals used andsome guys on the PGA who are Mike
Springer you might remember him from theCalifornia I think from Sacramento area. And
basically though it was, it's differentand what and what we found out is
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that it increased clip at speed andit increased squarenest impact squareness at impact.
And that's what here again we weretalking about earlier with the VIP school.
Once you do that, you don'tneed to increase the clip at speed a
lot. You get all the advantageof a square hit. And I shouldn't
mention that on that one that weflight scope. On every shot that Marty
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took with his driver before they wereall over ten thousand rpm side spin,
and on every shot that he tookafter the training with the power tools and
the tour tempo, they were underten thousand side spin. So that was
the big difference in the distance.Is all of a sudden, now this
ball's going with with top spin insteadof sidespin. But anyway, the that
(29:00):
that that's catching on pretty big timenow. Alver mill If his brother Dick
was coach to coach for the coachNFL and uh All is the only trainer
that has I think basketball championship ringand an NFL ring. Wow. And
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he actually is a strong apponent ofthe speedball because of it fits the right
and you can use the right inyour workout place or at home and you
work on your golf swing. Butit was at that, you know,
twenty years ago. It was prettypretty far fetched and pretty ahead of its
time. And so that's don't feelbad because that's why the power tools is
now. Okay, So now thatI've got it in my hand and I'm
(29:42):
sitting there taking swings with it whilewe're talking, what am I looking for?
What am I trying to do?Okay? Well, here's here's what's
Here's what's confusing is if you thinkof all the different theories in golf,
all right, I mean they runthe gamut, use the body, use
the hands, use the leg,blah blah bl and on and on.
Okay, all you have to learnmechanically with the power tools is you have
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to learn to hinge it on theback swing, unhinge it on the down
swing, rehinge it on the throughswing. And that's hinge. So when
you say hinge it, it's aninety degree angle, it's a nine degree
angle. When you're swinging back.It's one of the drills in the DVD.
You swing it back, you wantit to unhinge. It's gonna it's
gonna unhinge. That means you're swingingback. If you just take it back,
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that hinge is gonna stay at theninety degree angle. So it's gonna
unhinge going back. And then whenyou get to the top of the back
swing, which you only want totake about a three quarter swing, it's
gonna be ninety degrees. Now thehinge will be okay. Now, all
you do is unhinge it at impact, and then then you just rehinge it
when you get through, uh,you know, probably halfway up on the
(30:48):
through swing. And so it's simplehinge it, unhinge it, rehenge it.
And that's all you really is.When I'm taking the backswing, okay,
I'm starting at a ninety degree atthe hinge. Right, So as
I'm taking my backswing, should itnot open up? Should it not know?
I want you, well, Iactually want you to start out.
Let's let's say that you I'd actuallylike you to start out with the club
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about let's say forty five degrees leftof where the ball would be. You
know where you're actually pointing. Botharms are pointing out about forty five degrees
left of where you are at adress, okay, and then you're just
gonna swing it back from there,okay, So that you're saying that the
clubs should be in front of me, yeah, croaks should be in front
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of it. You're just gonna useyour body in your arms, So pull
that back to the top of backswing. Right. Once you pull that
back, you'll find that that willunleash and now the club will straighten out
like a regular club. But thenwhen you get to the top, it's
gonna rehinge. Okay, And that, well, that also helps you has
helps you to hinge your wrist becausewe want I'm hinging your wrist so that
you create that power angle between theshaft and your forearm. And when it's
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hinged behind me, should it befacing should the hinge be facing directly down
the fairway or towards the ground orup? Well, the yeah, the
hint what if you could just allwunch is like a three fourth swing,
you know by three quarters back.So actually what will happen is it actually
is a perfect illustration of where yourclub face is also, so you can
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just imagine that's where, you know, the short part is your club face.
And so basically if you got youwant to hinge it so that that's
you know, square and basically youwant to close or you don't want to
really open. And so you don'teven have to think about that though.
All you got to think about isif you just do the drills. How
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this does? It programs the correctmovement of the swing into your body like
nothing else can when you do thedrills. We were doing the video for
this DVD at Albamar where we haveour VIP schools, and basically is getting
getting down the end is get alittle bit dark, and so Junior we
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wore him at doing going you knowthrough the various takes. Yeah, and
so he goes over, so Ineed I need to hit a couple of
balls. This feels pretty good andso he started to look like a tour
pro. He just he looks sosmooth and effortless, and the ball was
just popping off a club face.And that's because he did all the drills.
And once you go through all thedrills in the DVD, you're going
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to learn about backswing orward swings,speed, the body should be just everything
you need to do, only there'sno talking about it. You're learning and
by feel, And to me,that's the only way the golf swing can
be learned is by feel, notby trying to memorize positions, right or
watching videas. Right, Yeah,that does no good either, yes,
(33:52):
exactly, well, but there's avisual here involved that that that kind of
emphasizes if you're if you're in correctposition, right oh yeah, yeah,
and that's ours. Yeah, Andand you'll the DVDs have videos to show
you exactly what positions all that shouldbe in excellent. Yeah. All right,
Well, then I'm going to startbringing this out with me to the
(34:14):
practice range and before a round,just to start getting that feel for it.
Um, when what you've explained itto me, yes, and when
you get really good at it.But I want you to what I want
you to do once you've got thefeel of it as once you take the
band off and once you actually hitballs with it. Really yes without the
band, yes, So what willhappen um the hinge we'll stay locked in
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or well it'll it'll hinge just likewhat we're talking about when you take it
back, it'll hinge as soon asyou feel it hinge. That's your cou
q to start back down to impact. And then once it gets the impact,
I want you to use a mat. You know, I've got a
little a little uh two foot byone foot matt that I take with me
(34:57):
or else you can see it upand give yourself little leeway because it's going
to be a little bit different tostart. And so you just want to
start with three quarter swings again andyou just hinge it unhandin re engine.
Cool. Yeah, and then youjust take that feel to the ball with
our gutter club right and the powerthe power tools are available at your website
as well. Yeah, we're soldsold out of them right now. Congratulations,
(35:19):
Thanks, we will have some morein and so now the book Tour
Tempo and Tour Tempo two, therewas the Tour Tempo micro player to get
the tones, so that microplayers that'sstill available or no, it's still available.
We're facing that out because it doesn'thave them two to one. It's
got the two to one, butit doesn't have it doesn't have the voice
(35:42):
tones with the apps has and howmuch are the apps? The apps?
I think the total game is twentyfour ninety five and then we have an
everyone's just the long game tones it'sfourteen ninety five. Okay, great,
and hopefully the sales are going wellwith that. Yeah, going very good
on that. Well. Congratulations,I'm I'm really happy for you. I'm
fascinated by this because it makes completesense to me, and I not only
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employ it, I'm going to continueto develop it and incorporate it into my
game. Sounds great. We'll makesure and keep in touch and let us
know how you do. And thenif I get your way, we're definitely
have to play some golf. Aha. How we're talking. I want you
to watch me and go, ohfret no, no, I know,
I think we'll be okay. John, it was great to speak with you
(36:30):
again. Thanks for agreeing to dothe two part episode. We will appreciate
it and for everybody to make surethey go out to tour tempo dot com
get information about the VIP school,the power tools, the books, and
the apps. Great. That's fantastic. Appreciate all your hard work. Also
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