3 Ways to Improve Your Ball Striking

We are kicking off a new series today; it's all about ball striking. How can we do that more effectively? We have tons of accessibility to feedback with golf technology, but how do we use it to improve our ball striking. To kick off this series, we have Tony Ruggiero sharing what he is paying attention to when it comes to his Tour Pros and their ball striking - full of great info. Use our discount code GSL for $75 off http://links.rapsodo.com/gsl-website-mlm-75off

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is actually working Hey, welcomeback to the podcast.
We are kicking off a new series today.
It's all about ball striking. How can we do that more
effectively when using launch monitor feedback?
Now that, you know, so many clubs have simulator rooms so

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many folks are buying, you know,like the 500 dollar launch
monitor in that category is exploding.
What can we do with all this feedback?
And how do we need to be using it to improve our ball striking?
That is the goal of this podcastseries, and it is sponsored by
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We're gonna talk a lot of different things.
Here we have Tony Ruggiero on today, we're going to talk about

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how to approach has used launch monitors.
Whether it's on the road, pre-tournament what as an
instructor he is paying attention to when it comes to
ball-striking. So we're talking everything from
path and face, how he changes that with pressure trace and
everything in between. So lots of great info, Tony is a
A good friend and it runs the powered by golf Landslide
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He's always out on the road, interviewing good people as he's
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Definitely go check out that program.
But other than that, let's Dive Right into this conversation and
get started on our journey to better ball striking.
In this new series, All right, so we are kicking off our ball.

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Striking series with Tony Ruggiero to her coach podcast.
Tony, you are a ball striking Aficionado.
I feel like I think I'm fortunate.
I've got a bunch of guys that hit it pretty good.
Makes me look better. But you know, I think that some
of the stuff that in the way we teach probably, you know,
probably helps that right. You know, I've been fortunate

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that some of the people I've taught from even from high
school. And developing into tour
players. They've been good ball Strikers.
It's been their strength. So I think it's probably a
combination of some of the stuffwe do and in the fact that
they're really gifted and talented is probably more of it.
What is a good ball Striker? Mean, let's just start there.
Like how do we Define that? Well, I think there's lots of
ways you could Define it. These are the ways.

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I look at it. One contact to me, great ball,
Strikers, always find us and really good ball Strikers.
Hit it in the center of the faceand in the one thing that's
incredibly important for me. Teaching players at higher
levels is to me the better ball Strikers.
Might hit a little Rider, hit ita little left, but their
distance is almost always exactly what they wanted.

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You know and they know exactly how far the ball is going to go.
So I think great ball Strikers. But what you mean by a great
ball Striker is that they have real control of their golf ball
with contact. Great contact.
Consistent contact and the ability to control the
distances. I think everybody misses it a
little right little left, but they always control distances.
Really well, interesting interesting.

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So quality of strike Center facecontact.
You do a lot of like foot spray then on like stuff and tests.
Or how do you do? How do you train center of it?
Don't now I don't use the foot spray, I know lots of guys do.
I've just never been my deal, probably just too lazy to get up
off the chair and go spray it but you know, one of the reasons

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like the quad and the foresight,one of the reasons I got
interested in that early on. Was because you could see
exactly where it hit on the face.
I know we're talking about launch monitors and I thought
that so I thought it was more easy to explain mrs.
Because of where he saw it on the face so that was one of the

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reasons that they show. Like if I'm worried about
contact, that's probably more where I go with it.
Gotcha, it's a great ball Strikers, make great contact at
the center of the face. A lot that means their distance
control is good. They might miss a little writer
left. When you think a great ball
Strikers, do you think of someone One who can work the
ball, both ways someone, you know, like, Lucas where it's

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everything's right to left. Like the shot shape matter to
you. And you think ball-striking?
No, I mean, I, you know, I don't, I think that, I think all
of them can all great ball Strikers can when they have to
curve it a certain direction, right?
And we mentioned Lucas, I mean he can hold it against the wind

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curve, it left, right? If he needs to certainly not as
preference. And I think, to be honest, he
would tell you, He's gotten better at that in the last three
or four years, you've hung out around us Summit Frederick and
stuff. We're like at times, he almost
gets pissed that it's easier forhim to get a fade.
Then it is sometimes to draw. But you know, I think all I
think all really good ball Strikers, can curve it if they

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have to, but I don't, they're tome and I know there's
exceptions. There's very few that are doing
a lot both ways. I think they have a preferred
shot shape and you don't know. They may be different for off
the tee and with iron Earns but I think they have a shot that
they could. That's repeatable.
I think repeatable is the key. They it comes out the same
window who comes to mind when you walk arranged on too early

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who comes to mind? Is, is that Persona?
Well, I mean I think Lucas is, Imean, not just because I coach
him, but I think he's one of thebest ball Strikers out there.
Right? You know, I thought when he
played really good golf, this isgoing back.
But these are guys, I coached, Ithought, when he had that
stretch where he played really good, I thought Smiley Kaufman
was a really good ball striker. Really control desire and

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distances and curved it one way left to right for the most part,
you know, and that would go intothe, where if you start curving,
it both ways. I think that's where guys have
it to try and to do that. Sometimes, get off track.
So, trying to think who you walkup and down.
I mean, like, I can remember standing at a u.s. open next to
Dustin Johnson and listening to him, hit it and it sounds

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different, like it's good, right?
You know, DJ is always impressive you.
No irons and wedges to me, one of the best wedge player and
it's so fun to watch him, hit irons, and it's so pure, it's
Justin Thomas, and I love watching him, hit wedges and not
scoring clubs. Like, I think everybody talks

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about his footwork, right? Like with the drivers they show
those pictures of his feet in the air.
If you watch it kind of scoring Club, how beautiful his footwork
is, how great is rhythm is, and how solid and how good the
contact is and how his distance control is.
With the scoring Globes. Interesting, interesting, well,
you see, you mention the word consistency, right?
When we talk about ball-striking, I'm sure that

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you've probably heard 80% of people walk into your your
studio and say, Hey, I want to be more consistent.
What's your answer to that? How do you negotiate that word?
I struggle at that word because I feel like it's I mean, I don't
know if consistency is a thing personally.
But I think consists, I mean, I think some people that come in
are consistently. They consistently suck.

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Yeah, right. No, I mean, consistency doesn't
necessarily mean good, you're good is right, I think.
But yeah, I think there's a couple things and, you know, I
know you've done some stunts of stuff, will Greg cart, right?
But like the whole I think, onceyou once you understand that
golf really hard and that I think by Nature, it's

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inconsistent and that there are lots of ups and downs, you're
probably set up to become a better player.
But I think that I think that most golfers, what they really
mean when they come to you and they say they want to be We're
consistent is that they want a more repeatable shot pattern.
They don't want to be trying to draw and all of a sudden, hit a
huge right? Shot in a big left shot.

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I think that's what really golfers are looking for.
And so when they when they come and they say that they want to
be more consistent. I think they want, they don't
want mrs. To go both directions and I
think they want to understand what's causing their bad shots.
I think of so many golfers out there struggle because they, you
know, They don't understand what's causing their bad shots.

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And I think this is a real key and I tell our Junior golfers,
this all the time. That one of the great things I
think about tour players and thebest players in the world is
that they understand what it is.They need to do to hit their
good shot. I think they're way less
concerned with other stuff, other people and all that, but
they have a real understanding of what it is.

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They need to do to hit their good shot.
I think, you know, recreational golfers the weekend warrior, I
think they're always worried about like what made it go,
laughs. What made it go?
Right. And they don't ever have a basic
understanding of what it is. They do when they do a good I
think if you understand what it is you do when you hit your good
shot, you've got a better chanceto repeat it.

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And the more you can repeat something by Nature, I think
you're going to be more consistent for me.
I've always found like, when youunderstand dispersion pattern,
the first time, somebody sees that, right?
All right, me hitting an 8-iron verse Lucas, hitting an 8-iron
10 shots, then looking the dispersion pattern is going to
be drastically different. Different, right?
Let's that's consistency in one form is.

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Well, we're all going to We're not gonna hit in the same spot
no matter how good you are. But his pattern is going to be
way tighter over 10 shots than mine right and for me that's
consistency is just knowing thathey it could go anywhere in
here. I'm just not that good.
So my my window of Tolerance is way bigger than you know someone
else, right? Right.

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And that's you know if you look at like I mean all the stats and
those types of systems Out therein the cone and I, you know,
obviously one that on social media, bunch of people uses that
decade. But like, you know, knowing how
to aim your cone, right? The biggest you know, Mac
Barnhart, I always sit down Horace and talk about like
knowing your variance, you know,you got to know how far right?

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You can miss it and how far leftyou can miss it and if you can
do that you can play golf and aim.
And I think what you just said is so your boundaries or wider
that, Lucas Glover Robbie Shelton, there's ex-hooker Rick
Lyon. A more whoever, right?
And so I think all we're doing when we coach and teach is
helping people understand what makes those boundaries get wider

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so that they can bring them in and that their shot dispersion.
This is less. Let's talk launch miners.
Let's get specific when we're trying to tighten you know that
cone you know what metrics are most important to you?
What data are you looking at like what are some of your top
numbers that you think are most important path and face?
You know, to me? Bigger the difference between

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the path and face like, you know, like, I think, you know,
if a guy wants to draw it as path and and his face, you know,
it's past got to be into Al. I don't think you, I think.
But the more in doubt it goes, the more you're going to have to
have the face close to that path.
So I try to have less variance is now I don't I try to get

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people. I'm not a big zero.
It out guy like where you want it to be 0 but I think like You
know, you when you get people with paths that are way left
with faces that are way open. I think that you get more, you
know you get more variances in there if you get way into out
with a face that's shutting having to shut a lot more to the

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path. I think there's more, you know,
there's going to be more curved,you know, more variances in
there. So I try to I'm always looking
it path and, and face on that, you know, contact for me is a
lot of pivot work, right? I think if At people like you
get recreational golfers and they don't you know, they hid
behind it, they hit it fat, theyhit it.

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Then all that. I think a lot of that stuff can
be very much pivot related and not enough either not enough
pivot back but especially not enough pivot through the ball.
Interesting. So it lets say you see someone's
path. They typically are 3 to the 3 to
the right. But you see them now, going back
the other way, it's maybe more towards zero or even the other
way you'll look at their pivot first and see if If maybe

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they're they're not making a beta fullback swinger full pivot
back or is that kind of how you think about that?
You know, I think it every everyplayer is different right here.
And so the art of coaching is looking at a guy and they did
Shaft and I were talking last night about like, you know, when
you have a live lesson in front of you, got, like a minute or
two to kind of summarize it in your head and say, hey, this is

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what we're going to start. And look, sometimes I start with
somebody and then I'm like, 15 minutes to do it like that in
the right way. I've been shot.
You know, I'm super simple so ifI'm trying to get somebody's
path, Less in doubt or less out to him, I mean, I like to do
things with them, real simple, to let them coach themselves, a

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little, I like to put a, you know, I've used the Rope a
bunch, you've seen me use the rope for the Target line.
Have them tee, the ball up on the target line, and put a stick
out there. Directly between them and the
Target and let them. I mean a great drill for anybody
is to learn Learn to start it right and curve it left start at
left and curve it, right? And let them figure out how much

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of each they need to do to hit whatever shot shape they were,
you know, I think a lot of folkscan I mean, we're making an
assumption here that they've gotgood grips.
They've got a pretty good club face those types of the good
posture, and set up ball in the right spot.
But like, I think a lot of people can figure some of this
stuff out on their own, if they go out there and they try to
curve it right to left, and theytry to curb it, left to right

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with understanding that the drawit, it's The path has to be more
into out and it took curve it. The face has two could be close
to that path if they want to cutit, it's the opposite and go out
there and you know, I'm big on exaggerating.
I mean sometimes when a guy really wants to draw and I'll
have them just hit snap Hooks and then I'll say, you know, I

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know hit a Big Slice. Now try to hit one in the middle
doing that and I think if you dothat I think you know I think a
lot of people can coach themselves.
Figure things out on them. Ourselves without us having to
fill them with a bunch of information.
Its key. I mean, too many people get so
stuck or so concerned about, I've got to stay, you know, if
my path is here and that's whereI want to be.

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I got to stay as close to that as I can every single golf shot,
you know, all the time because Igot to, you know, ingrain that
feeling and they missed this part of this awareness so that
they can self coach almost, right?
Because if you see something happening on the course, or when
you're out practicing and you have no Ernest of what it feels
like. When your path goes to the left

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or to the right or what these things are.
You can't can't help yourself which is just tough.
Best part about launch monitors his feedback.
Right? I think that.
So if you do one, correct, you hit your shot, whatever it is,
whatever your perfect shot is. I'll have guys say, you know,

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Lucas is said this. Robbie said, I just want to hit
that shot every time. That's, that's the one I want.
Well then you could look down and say exactly what was that
path, right. And I think that going even
deeper like with things like swing Catalyst.
Then you can say, okay, how muchdid they turn?
Where was the pressure? All of those things?
You know. I shift path a lot with pressure

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Trace, right. Like so I have probably had.
I mean I probably use that as much trying to change path with
some people especially better players as I do anything.
So I'll may work with them on the swing Catalyst and we may
you know, you see a guy trying to hit a draw but the pressure

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he gets it out on the toes, going back and it goes too quick
to the left heel. I mean, he probably didn't have
a very good chance to hit a draw.
So helping them understand wherethe pressure and weight and all
that stuff. Needs to go, can help a guy and
then you put them on the rope and you put a stick out there
and have him try to do that and get it to start it right to
left. Or, you know, if he's getting
way into his heel and running out onto his left toe and he

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wants to fade it. That's not going to work either.
So helping helping folks understand the relationship
between that pressure trace and how the body is working along
with what the path and the face need to be.
I think if we can educate them, educate the golfer with that and
then let them figure it out a little bit.
I think they got a better chanceto do it on the golf course and
a better chance to own it. If they figure a little bit of

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it out themselves to do, you useyour using a launch monitor is
like finding the symptom and then you try to look to what's
causing that. Is that a little bit how you use
it? Well, I mean You know, we're
always trying to find the Cause.Right?
Yeah, it's are the main deck. So I mean, I look at all of the
stuff mean real, a lot of, it's my eyes.

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Yeah, I use you know, when I film a guy and it comes into
Frederick and he hits I watch him hit and I like to watch
somebody hit to when they're outwarming up without me being
there because they're not tryingto do what they think I would
want to do and you can watch am just hitting balls and you can
watch it. Everything, how much time do

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they take between ID, malls, everything.
So I like to do that and then you know the so that's the first
part of the analysis, then and Ithink then it's obviously the
interviewing of asking them questions about what they're
working on, what's the bad shot when they play their best?
What what do they do? But then I think there's also
but then I like to film them andI like to look at the track man.

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The quad data and the swing Catalyst data together and
figure out. Like, I mean, Is it just there
swinging a little too much out to the right or to the left?
Or is it because their pivot is where I don't think it's a
Concrete set thing. Like, you always start, I think
you have to look at all of the information.
Trust your intuition. And I Rely a lot on experiences

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from other players, things that have worked things, that didn't
work things. I've seen people do and I Rely a
lot on things I've learned from observing and watching other
great teachers, from all my timewith Hank, Johnson, and Mark,
Oakwood Wayne Flint the times. I've gone to watch Butch twice.
I think it was. And you know, you talk to Billy
Harman. Like all of those things Brady

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rigs like you. Do you try to pick up little
tidbits each time that may help you when you get a certain you
know, something? You know you when you get a
certain situation, think the keyis that there's no set rules
like trying to find the cause but I don't know that.
Always start in a certain place,necessarily get you there.
I think you want to get as much information about the student as

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you can and then you want to look As much information as you
can, in a short time frame and make your assessment.
Yep, talking launch monitors here.
How do to our Pros? Use launch monitor data or
what's, what's the regular kind of process with whatever money
you got? A lot of these younger guys that
have grown up with them, right? That get delve, I think delve

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way more into some of the information and then other
players, I think that, if I was to say that, you know, they look
the most common things. You here on a range would be,
you know, I think your mid the older guys are using a lot of it
for distance. I think during a tournament
week, the majority of players are using it to know how far the

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ball is going where they are. I think that's the number one
thing players are doing, and they want it to be accurate and
they want to be easy to set up. So I think that's number one,
across the board most of the time, if I'm walking down the
range and I'm asking, like, you know, somebody's there and I
switch, you'll say, What you do and then I'll just checking my
numbers just checking how far it's going.

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So I think that's number one andthen I think you have guys that
monitor their path and their face and their attack, you know
attack angle like guys may not like it getting steep or vice
versa. So but you know there's a rule I
think the more information that the guys use it for probably
transpires to be in more of a younger player that's grown up

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with it. How much does distance and ball
speed and clubhead speed change week to week?
Or a month to month, I think distance changes a pretty good
bit based on where they are. Hmm, you know I mean especially
on the PGA tour, you know they're going to go from Sigrid
go from Palm Springs and when it's you know, it's warm in the

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afternoon, super dry ball goes along way, but in the morning,
they'll hit balls on a track manor a quad or rap soda or
whatever it is. They're using to know like man,
if if I'd get that 730 time for Exhales balls not going
anywhere. I need to know how far it's not,
you know, how much less it's it's going.
And then you go from there and you saw the balls going a long

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way. And then you're going, then you
go a few weeks. You go up to Pebble Beach where
I'm going to Pebble Beach in February is not always the most
Pleasant weather, right? And the ball isn't going
anywhere. Yeah.
And they need to know how much it's not going anywhere.
So, you know, I think I think there's a lot of variation in
distance and I also think that from a golfer listening to me

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and you I don't think very nearly The very many golfers, I
think they say, I, if you ask them, how far you get your
seven, I hit 160 yards. I don't think very many folks
know, whether that's carry your total.
And the difference between hitting their 7-iron 160 yards
in July versus February. And, I mean, I see it all the
time. Junior golfers are the worst.

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I mean, they got 160 and it's 48degrees and they pull their 79
out, and then they think they'renot hitting it any good because
it comes up 15 yards. Short of the bunker, right?
Mean it's not there. Also use the condition.
So I think tour players take so much time and effort to know
exactly how far the ball is going using devices.
Whether it's any of those monitors or it's or it's

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shooting a tree out on the Rangeand hitting the ball at it and
seeing where it goes, right, there's lots of different ways
to do it and you don't have to have a launch monitor if you're
listening to us, to be able to figure that out.
So, but I think that every golfer could benefit from
understanding that, how far you hit your 7 and how far you get
your pitching wedge, what? Ever it is is going to change
daily weekly, monthly based on conditions.

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You know and sometimes to distance going down under good
conditions is an indication that.
Hey, maybe I'm not my pivots notworking as good as I needed to
be, or something's off, right? It gives us a highway feel like,
or physically my back's. Not moving is good.
My hips aren't turning this good, whatever.
And it lets us go. Okay, well, you need to go do
some stuff with Colby in the gymbecause your hips are moving

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enough because you're not carrying it quite as much.
But I mean, are you watching Club head speed?
Ball speed as well for you. Just looking at distance numbers
typically to watch a little bit of Club head speed involves beat
mean. I'm not like a junkie.
Like I mean there's some guys that's all they focus on right
and there's great teachers that that's what they're always
looking at mean. I think it's incredibly
important now and I've got some young guys, young kid, Justin

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Burrows, that hammers it right. I got some young guys that
hammered but I mean, I'm more like, is the ball going where
they wanted to go in the distance there?
Trying to hit it. I think in the end that's the
most Important part for making aliving.
I think most of those guys hit it far enough like driver
distances is key, right? But like are they hitting it?
Be a most of those guys, hit it far enough.

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Now, if you ever found that someone has like, hey, your Club
head speed is down a little bit here this week.
Like, what what's up, do? We have a physical like
something going on physically. Yeah, at the u.s. open at
Wingfoot. Lucas was not hitting it well,
on Monday, Tuesday, Monday, in particular ball wasn't going as
far not. As far.

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But it wasn't like, it wasn't starting online.
This, that and the other and I was asking to do the things
we've been doing and it turned out, I mean, it was more
physical, he flunked cross-country to get their hips
weren't moving. He did a bunch of work with
Colby every night, getting treatment and he, you know, he
finished 15th 17th or something.The US Open and was way up there

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in ball striking through, you know, through 54 holes.
So, yeah, I mean, I think with really good player.
Hers. It's more likely something
physical than it is just something totally going wrong in
their golf swing. Hmm.
What kind of Tolerance should I give myself, right?
If I'm gonna go out and I'm going to do some, do some
testing, I want to find out somedistances like what should I be

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looking for with distance? So let's say I'm hit an 8-iron
and it goes, I hit one, you know, 155 and then hit 1168 and
then I hit 1160, like, what kindof ranges do you like to see?
Because I know, A lot of people see really big ranges, right of?
Yeah, they're not good ball Striker so they hit one, a

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little fat and it goes 150. And then they pure one and it
goes 168. And then they're like real shit.
How about, you know, like what'sgoing on?
How far do I hit this thing? So that's where I think one you
wear to work on contact. What's in your golf swing?
Not giving you consistent contact or the same contact
every time and you know another thing to I mean and not like I'm
not a huge fitting Geet but someof the equipment out there

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that's built to help recreational golfer.
Hit it Further isn't as consistent with how far the ball
flies, right? Mean, ball jumps more comes out
without spin those types of things.
I mean, I find that, you know, Iwent through this phase where
this is funny. I mean, like I was playing a
little bit. This is a couple few years back
and I decided to order some irons that were stronger and had

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light graphite shafts, because Iwanted to hit it further right?
Well, hell, I mean, you know, I normally hit my wedge 130.
I mean, I flew a green with a wedge went like 150.
And then the next time I went 135 because it's like, you know,
that was a you know so like that's great for a guy that's 65
or 70 the or 55 that needs a bunch of distance.

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But I think also there's trade-offs when you do some of
those things fitting wise, it give you the opportunity to have
some distance. You also have to understand that
a lot of times, I think you're giving up some distance control
that one could be in there. Let's end with this.
So let's say I want to take someof those tactics that to oppose
are using getting my yardages. In check, what's kind of your

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process for that? How many balls do I need to hit?
Do I throw out ones that I hit badly?
Like how do I figure out? Give us a practical step that I
can go do to kind of figure out how to dial in my distances a
little bit. If I want to block this one
thing is you want to do it in a minimum number of all's.
I see folks, hit a shitload of balls and there you know then

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they get to the five iron and they've hit 70 balls and they're
tired and I don't think those numbers are very accurate and I
think the Same thing happens with driver fitting and driver
testing. And I've seen that on tour guys
are, you know, they whatever a driver isn't going well or their
drivers non-conforming whatever and they get three bags of
balls. And I don't know that you're

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getting very accurate data afteryou've hit three bags of balls,
right? Because you're fatigued and you
never do that on the golf course.
When do you hit 10 drivers in a row on the golf course you don't
ever do it. So I think the less number of
balls you could do it. And so I like to do with, I just
tell folks, Is that come to see me?
You know, obviously there's, youknow, these launch monitors,

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which are fantastic, but I thinkone key would be to do it.
In Les. Paul's hit three four balls with
each Club. You throw up your throw out the
bad ones like if I chunk it a little bit but want to know how
far do I hit my two or three average shots.
Like that's a good one. That's pretty average.
That's good and know what those are.
I mean if I chunk when I don't know that that helps you a whole

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lot, right? Yeah.
Mean you're not clubbing. Yourself based On the aspect of
the prospect that you could chunk, 150 yards, some will
climb up. Six clubs in case I chunk it.
So, you know, I think you want to know what your average I
always ask folks, I, hey, is that what you would call pretty
good? When if you hit that on the golf
course, would you free pretty happy with it?
And then we like yeah that was pretty good.

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Okay, well that went 156, the so-called 156.
You hit these other two and it went 152 and 159.
So I mean that's my variation. And I think it's different based
on people so I try to do it withfewer ball.
Al's get them, to be honest the dummy we like to be hit it on
the golf course will be pretty happy with it.
And then also I mean I'll tell folks like why don't you run out

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on the golf course you're practicing and go to a par 3
where you you know and shoot theyardage and hit a sleeve of
balls. Go up there and see where they
land and the market, you know? And just walk off the distance
difference from what the pain that you shot mean.
I think doing some stuff real life on the golf course, may
give you better data or Gametimesituation stuff of what's

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happening because there's bunkers there, there's water
there. There's when, you know, and you
can factor that stuff in last thing before we go.
I remember one more, I've been trying to do some training with
like, launch angle trying to hitwindows and try to be
consistent. There's that word again with
that and I've found that super challenging.
I'm curious your thoughts on kind of like trying to control

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launch angle and stuff because Ithink that most golfers aren't
very consistent with what their impact position is, right?
You know, with the shaft Lean and you know, and there's all
different thoughts about how much of its good and all that
stuff but I think you've got again, go back to contact,
getting the low point to be consistent and getting your
impact position, whatever is ideal for you and you and your

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teacher can figure that out argue about it with other
teachers, whatever that needs tobe.
But you need to be getting closeto the same, the low point in
the same spot and the same impact conditions, more of the
time, and then, you can hit Windows.
That's why tour players are good.
Their impact conditions and positions are very The same
throughout the bag and throughout the shot so they can
control how the ball comes out. But if you're if you don't have

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a good pivot and you don't get the club to the same low point
and the shafts not at the same position each time.
I mean, you're probably not going to have the ball come out
the same window every day. Ya know, I find it.
I mean, it's very revealing whenyou just look at that.
Yeah, for sure. It's also.
One of the harder things to teach young players is like mean
to learn to hit Windows because they got to get better at
certain things in their golf swing to do.

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Yep. Tony thanks for hanging out.
Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. As always look forward to talk
to you soon.