Govern America | February 15, 2025 | Efficient Totalitarianism - Govern America

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves
and for future generations, a new world.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Order, new world order, new world order.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
This is a moment disease. The clid escape has been shaken.
The pieces are in flux. Soon they will settle again.
Before they do, let us reorder this world around.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Us, a new world order, a world where the.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
United Nations is poised to fulfill the historic vision of
its founders.

Speaker 5 (00:27):
Nevertheless, United States it in a key position to shape
is so that the problem of the foot rensidentity will
be the emergence of a new international order.

Speaker 6 (00:39):
The first decade of the twenty first century.

Speaker 7 (00:42):
But out of what is will be feared the greatest
restructuring of the global economies, greatest restructuring of the global economy,
greatest restructuring of the global economy.

Speaker 6 (00:52):
A new world order was.

Speaker 8 (00:53):
Created documenting the crisis of our rebublic.

Speaker 9 (00:58):
The very word secrecy repugnant in a free and open society.
And we are as a people inherently and historically opposed
to secret societies, the secret oaths and a secret.

Speaker 10 (01:12):
Proceedings waging war on the new world order.

Speaker 6 (01:15):
The councils of government.

Speaker 11 (01:17):
We must guard again the acquisition of unwanted influence, whether
it sought or unsought by the military industrial conflict.

Speaker 8 (01:27):
This is Governor America with Darren Weeks and Vicky Davis.

Speaker 12 (01:43):
From FEMA Regions five and ten. This is Governor America.
I'm during week's Vickey Davis is here as well. It
is the fifteenth of February twenty twenty five. Nice to
have you with us once again, ladies and gentlemen. I
just have to say at the outset here that I
am under the weather. Unfortunately, there has been crush going around.
They say it is the worst flu and cold season

(02:04):
in Michigan. I think they said in history, but certainly
a long time anyway.

Speaker 13 (02:10):
And I have.

Speaker 12 (02:11):
Studiously avoided people who were coughing their heads off and
various other things, but and and doused up on vitamin
C and other things. Unfortunately, people like to go out
in public and while they're sick. They like to work
while they're sick. I don't really understand why that is,

(02:33):
but they do. And as a consequence, finally, due to
some stressful situations this past week with my wife's family,
a little bit of loss of sleep, we ended up
I ended up having to succumb to this. Well, it's
really I thought it was a sinus infection, and that's

(02:54):
what it still feels like. And it's draining into my
down my throat and into my chest. I think, but
we'll get through it. I think it'll I think I'm
on the mend at this point in time. This came
on me a couple of days ago. I first don't

(03:14):
notice the scratchy throat, so I toy it around with
not doing the show, but there's so much going on
I felt like I had to. And by the way,
next week, I don't know what we'll be doing for
the show, because I will. And this is another thing
that really played into my mind here. We will not
be able to be live next week because we have this.

(03:37):
We have state Convention, the Republican State Convention. For those
of you who don't know, I am a precinct delegate.
I have been an advocate for everybody being a precinct delegate.
You will not be able to change things unless you're
on the inside where you can change things. And we're
trying to keep the rhinos out. We're trying to keep
the people who are the party establishment out. We're trying

(04:00):
to keep the people who are the multi million dollar
consultants who like to come in and take control of
half of the finances of the party in order to
enrich themselves, and then they give us candidates that are
pretty much Democrats in disguise. So that's what we're trying

(04:21):
to fight, and there's a slate of candidates. I've been
doing my research for this past for this upcoming weekend,
but unfortunately I will not be able to be able
to do a show while I'm at the convention. The
convention is in Detroit, and I toyed around with getting
a hotel over there, but I know the hotels are

(04:44):
going to all be booked up and I just don't
want to spend the money.

Speaker 13 (04:47):
That's the big thing.

Speaker 12 (04:49):
So unfortunately that what that means is that my daughter
and I my daughter is also a precinct delegate, we
will have to be driving home on Friday night and
going back on Saturday, so that's you know, probably hour
and a half two hour drive, and a lot of
this depends upon weather conditions as well. We have had

(05:10):
some tremendous snowstorms over the past several days, and there
are more.

Speaker 13 (05:16):
There's more.

Speaker 12 (05:17):
I think there's more in the forecast for this weekend.
So anyway, a lot going on. I said all that
to say, I don't know what we're going to be
doing for next week's show, but we will figure something out, Vicky,
and I will, and you'll have it dropped upon you
next week.

Speaker 13 (05:35):
Yeah, good morning, Vicky, Good morning.

Speaker 14 (05:39):
Yeah that I guess the cred has been going around.

Speaker 13 (05:44):
I know.

Speaker 14 (05:46):
My son was sick, so yeah.

Speaker 12 (05:50):
Well everybody at work has been sick and several times,
actually many of them multiple times, and I think part
of it might be because they got the shot, you know,
because it lowers your immune system. I think I'm the
only one there that hasn't gotten the shot, and so
I've been, for the most part pretty healthy. But you know,

(06:11):
like everything else, when you're exposed to stuff long enough,
it tends to wear you down. And if you don't
get proper rest, that's a big deal. Not with keeping
your immune system up, is getting proper rest. So I
did a lot of sleeping when I came in yesterday evening,
and in fact, I slept pretty much until six o'clock this morning,

(06:34):
when I got up and started looking at show stuff.

Speaker 13 (06:38):
And there's no shortage of things going on for sure.

Speaker 12 (06:41):
I remember the good old days when we used to
struggle to find material. You have to go finding it.
Now it's just, you know, you try to sort through
it all and try to determine.

Speaker 13 (06:53):
What's relevant what isn't. I mean, it's all relevant, but.

Speaker 14 (06:57):
Trying to fire hose of information in every single day.

Speaker 12 (07:01):
Yeah, it's trying to organize something that's distinctly disorganized or unorganizable.
But one thing that I mentioned to you Vicky before
the show started briefly, when we talked briefly doing our
sound check, is this I want to get into more
deeply because right now, a lot of the changes that

(07:24):
are going on in government. I think the average person,
the average certainly the average conservative, sees nothing wrong with
any of it.

Speaker 13 (07:34):
They see this as a good thing.

Speaker 12 (07:37):
Because smaller government means it's more efficient government.

Speaker 13 (07:41):
I mean, that's what the argument is.

Speaker 14 (07:44):
And yeah, that's what they think, and.

Speaker 12 (07:46):
Nobody wants well, I won't see nobody, but certainly conservatives
by their very definition, don't want a large, bloated, over extended,
massive government. You know, you want something that's trim efficient
and something that will, uh is basically the bare minimum

(08:06):
stay out of our lives. Don't interfere with my life.
You know, cover the basic necessities like the border, uh,
and you know, the military so that we're not attacked,
you know, basically defense, not not nation building, not going
to war with everybody because you don't like what they're
doing over there, but just the basics. And I think

(08:32):
that's kind of the idea that conservatives have. The problem
is what you're seeing today with the shrinking of government,
in my view, is a little darker than that.

Speaker 10 (08:43):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (08:43):
It's I think there's going to be functions of this
government that are massively going to be replaced with technocratic systems.
And and the fact that Elon Musk is there heading
this operation should tell you a lot. I did a
little search here about Elon Musk's background with technocracy, and

(09:08):
this is what perplexity gave me. Elon Musk's connection to
technocracy is multifaceted and deeply rooted in both his family
history and his current actions in the political sphere. Musk's grandfather,
Joshua Halderman, was a leader of Technocracy Incorporated in Canada
from nineteen thirty six to nineteen forty one. This historical

(09:31):
connection suggests that technocratic ideas may have influenced Musk's worldview
from an early age. In recent years, Musk has emerged
as a central figure in the establishment of a form
of governance known as technocracy in the United States. He
has gained significant influence in Washington, with some arguing that

(09:53):
he now wields more power than elected officials. Musk's re
each extends into technology, information, industrial development, and politics, both
domestically and internationally. Musk's involvement in government designation that allows
him to work without being a full employee about potential

(10:17):
conflicts of interests hands hands of elected unelected technical Well,
I'll tell you, they got something covering this page up, musks.
Let me start that, or I apologize, folks. Musk's involvement
in government has been formalized through a designation that allows

(10:37):
him to work for the federal government temporarily without being
a full time employee. This arrangement has raised concerns about
potential conflicts of interest and the concentration of power in
the hands of unelected technical experts. Critics argue that Musk
represents the forefront of a new technocritic form of government,

(10:59):
which poses a threat to democratic norms. His approach, often
described as move fast and break things has led to
the creation of a new new government entities like the
Department of Government Efficiency DOGE, which some view as a
step towards techno fascism. Musk's own statements have also hinted

(11:21):
at his technocratic leanings. In twenty nineteen, he tweeted about
building the Martian technology or building the Martian technocracy, suggesting
a vision of governance that extends beyond Earth.

Speaker 13 (11:36):
What do you think of that? Maybe that pretty nails
it pretty well.

Speaker 14 (11:43):
Yes, except that I don't know why they aren't using
the word consultant to apply to Elon Musk. Now, our government,
our government systems are run and built by contractors aka consultants,

(12:06):
and so what he's doing is no different than it
is done in every other system throughout our government. And
it has always been that the government and large corporations
they hire contractors to build their systems or to you know,

(12:29):
modify their systems. And I keep listening for them to
use the word contractor or consultant, but but they're not
doing it. And I really don't understand why, you know,
because that is the norm with it systems and government.

Speaker 13 (12:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (12:52):
So, and what he's doing is a system's audit and
a system's audit. It has needed to be done on
every single government system that has been built and or
modified since the nineteen nineties when they when they were

(13:14):
in this massive effort to redesign, rebuild fixed systems to
solve the Y two K problem, right and so, and
you might say, well, god, you know that's like thirty
thirty years ago. Well, the way the internal government functions

(13:39):
was systems take a long time to build years. You
measure phases like in five year segments because it takes
a long time to change systems. So the fact that
you know, some of these problems that they're finding might
have been built into the system in the nineteen nineties,

(14:02):
it doesn't surprise me a bit. I mean, that's why
I do what I do. I was a systems analyst programmer. Yeah,
and so you know, I didn't know the full the
massive effort that the government was going through. But you know,

(14:23):
throughout the nineties when a lot of stuff was happening,
there were at least two major episodes with the IRS
where they hired a contractor and the contractor wasn't able
to perform on the contract, and it actually came out
in the newspaper that they were firing the contractor. Now

(14:48):
that was highly unusual because, as a rule, when there
were systems foul ups, you know, when they issued a
contract and the contractor defaulted or couldn't fulfill the contract,
they would not put that in the paper. They didn't

(15:10):
want anybody to know, so it never appeared in the paper.
So when those two episodes of the first contractor hired
by the IRS to convert systems was fired, that was
highly unusual, but it would be in the newspaper. And
then it occurred again. And you remember, there was a

(15:33):
period of time when the IRS was just going crazy
auditing and confiscating, and Clinton put a stop to it,
moratorium to the IRS as confiscation activities. And I'm positive
that it was because the data was not reliable.

Speaker 15 (15:56):
And so.

Speaker 14 (15:58):
That's kind of like a little bit of a backstory
on government and systems. And it just happens to be
that this morning I was working on a project. I've
talked about this before, but the g seven and Clinton

(16:19):
and Gore, they all decided to build global systems, and
there were eleven pilot projects for global systems, and it
was so that there could be a Global Information System. Well,
I found a repository of government projects that were in progress,

(16:49):
and I think the archive that I have is nineteen
ninety eight. It's an inventory, and that was one of
the projects of this global project for Integrated Information Systems
across the G seven. And so I've been going through

(17:15):
these projects and something interesting that occurred to me, you know,
all this DEI stuff that's going on, I think that
when they were converting systems, I think they were hiring
all kinds of contractors to scan documents and to you know,

(17:41):
put government information online. And I think they must have
hired some contractors who, Okay, now when you're scanning, when
you're doing a project scanning documents, you don't hire mens
equality people, right, there are people that are at the

(18:02):
low end of the IQ scale that was stand there
and scan and scan a scan, a scan. I think
they hired contractors who didn't understand the concept of history
relative to you know, what occurred over time and where

(18:23):
we are today. And the idea occurred to me, they're
making history new again, and that's what that I think
a lot of what's going on in our public sphere
is because of bringing foreigners in working on our systems

(18:43):
of government and not comprehending the difference between history and
today and understanding that things changed between the historical time
frame and today. I think that is a big part
of the problem that we're having today with our cultural

(19:11):
or social and cultural environment.

Speaker 13 (19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (19:16):
Well, they've made history new again.

Speaker 12 (19:18):
Yeah well, and then of course if you don't know
your history, you're doomed to repeat it anyway. And I
think that they say history repeats itself, but what they don't.
What people that say that, I think don't realize is
that history repeats itself because people behind the scenes are
engineering things in such a way that it will repeat itself,
you know. And our whole lives are orchestrated by men

(19:43):
in the shadows, aren't they.

Speaker 14 (19:45):
Oh absolutely yes, our country is being I mean, we
wouldn't have the country that we have without the systems.
But the thing is is that in the nine teen
nineties there were two things that happened. The globalization. They

(20:09):
decided on global systems, and there was a massive change
in technology, you know, from mainframes and now the mainframe
data was accessible via PCs, and I remember myself, you know,
they started hiring these PC jockeys. Well, the PC jockey

(20:35):
knew how to do his twiddling and twinking on the PC.

Speaker 13 (20:40):
Is that the technical term twiddling and twinkie twinking?

Speaker 14 (20:43):
Yeah, twinkie Yeah. But he didn't understand systems, big systems.
And there is a heck of a difference between designing
a big system and having everything into great and work together,
and a PC system, a little PC system that you

(21:06):
can design, like you know, for well, even the networks
back then, the the network software so that you could
link up these PCs together. It was crappy. Windows ninety
five was crappy. I mean it was loaded.

Speaker 13 (21:29):
With bugs, yeah, and it still is.

Speaker 14 (21:33):
Yeah. But they were going whole hog, you know, redesigning systems,
and I suspect perhaps using people that were not really
qualified to do big systems. And there was a one

(21:53):
project that I did for a company that I was
working for in New York City whose name I won't mention,
but they asked me to do an evaluation of software.
It was Lotus. There was one personnel manager who bought
a Lotus system and he could download data and do

(22:17):
his own report. Well, they asked me to evaluate it
and I did, and the code was embedded within the
report printing software, so it was like self contained, and
I wrote the evaluation that I wrote was that it's

(22:40):
a nice little tool, but it is not professional quality software.
And why did I say that Because there was no
way to audit what this personnel manager was doing, because
they set it up so that he could download data,
twiddle it around and then you know, uploaded again. Well,

(23:03):
there's no way to audit that data, no way to
audit what what he did. There's no visibility of the code, nothing.

Speaker 12 (23:12):
So the last thing you want is twiddling and twinking
without audit. That's the takeaway.

Speaker 14 (23:21):
Sorry, absolutely sorry, I'll try not to make it.

Speaker 13 (23:27):
Yeah, this is going to be the challenges.

Speaker 12 (23:30):
I'm going to have to mute my mic from time
to time, and laughing tends to set it off. I think,
so maybe I should refrain from jokes.

Speaker 14 (23:41):
Well, And so that that's the problem that Elon Musk
is looking at is UH data files within treasury. And
there's a lot of a lot of stuff that goes
on in Treasury that you would be surprised about the
community programs, And I just kind of stumbled onto that

(24:05):
accidentally when I was looking at I started out looking
at refugee resettlement that led into public health and the
community programs, and when you trace those back, those are
programs that are funded by the government. But I didn't

(24:26):
know is that they were being funded directly out of treasury. Yeah,
and so I mean that's huge, wells and the need
to be audited.

Speaker 12 (24:37):
Yes, everything needs to be audited, and I want to
be very clear about that. The stuff that they're finding
is good in the sense that all of these agencies,
I don't know if they've ever been audited, VICKI. I
mean supposedly they have inspectors general who go through and
look at things, and you know, and there's some supposedly

(24:57):
there's congressional oversight for everything.

Speaker 13 (25:00):
Yeah, right, okay, you know, we see how that goes.

Speaker 14 (25:05):
Yeah, Congressional oversight doesn't mean a damn thing when you're
talking about computer system.

Speaker 12 (25:10):
All it means is hearings with a lot of hot
air and very little substance.

Speaker 14 (25:14):
Unfortunately, and they can say anything. And how does the
how does the Congress know whether or not they're telling
the truth? They don't.

Speaker 12 (25:25):
Yeah, And we were talking last I think it was
last week about us ai D and how they were
defunded by Trump, which okay, I don't know that Trump
has the authority to do that. I guess that's part
of the State Department. He oversees the military. I'm a
little murky as to exactly what the authority is there,

(25:48):
but there is a judge who has put an order
stopping them from.

Speaker 13 (25:53):
Defunding the USAI.

Speaker 12 (25:54):
D CBS reports at federal judge on Thursday ordered the
Trump administration to reinstate the funding for foreign aid contracts
and other awards while litigation moves forward, delivering yet another
setback for the president as he seeks to make sweeping
changes to the federal government. This is US District Judge

(26:14):
Amir Ali, who partially granted a request for a temporary
restraining order from the group of organizations that receive funding
from the US Agency for International Development and other agencies
but have since been cut off from federal dollars or
had to suspend their work in the wake of mister

(26:35):
Trump's executive action ordering a ninety day pause on foreign development. Ay,
this was a ninety day pause. It wasn't anything substantial.
It's amazing to me that Biden could sit up there
in the Oval Office and give money, money, money, you know,
tranch after tranch of billions of federal dollars, which are

(26:57):
really our dollars, listeners, because the money that the federal
government spends has created out of thin air. And when
they create money out of thin air, the prices at
the store go up because that money is inflation. It's
inflationary spending. So Biden can just sit up there and

(27:18):
write these blank checks, you know, basically blank checks to
the Ukraine. It's just one right after another. They might
as well be blank. And I suppose that you could
blame the Republicans in the Congress because they were in
control of the purse strings and they authorized the funding.

(27:39):
So Biden couldn't do that without the House of Representatives,
who was controlled by the GOP, authorizing it. So again
we come back to destroying America as a bipartisan effort.
But this judge has put the kebash on Trump's attempt

(27:59):
to kurtail or at least put a pause on for
ninety days on this USAID stuff and other things. Well,
Jason sent me. Jason out in Utah sent me this
a few days ago. This article was put in the

(28:19):
Shore News Network, and it says US District Judge John Bates,
who previously ruled against the Trump administration on issues related
to gender identity policies, is facing scrutiny over his wife's
nonprofit ties. Carol Rees Bates wife is the founder of

(28:41):
Hope for Children in Ethiopia, a nonprofit organization that has
received funding from the US Agency for International Development. Bates
appointed to the federal bench by George W. Bush, another
Rhino Republican listeners, another person masquerading as a conservative who

(29:01):
nothing of a sort enemy of our country. Should, honestly,
George W. Bush should be put on trial for treason
in my opinions, as many.

Speaker 13 (29:12):
Of them should be.

Speaker 12 (29:15):
Just nine to eleven itself, the war on terror, of
the springboard, the planning that went into it. There's all
kinds of evidence.

Speaker 13 (29:20):
George W. Bush should be tried and convicted for treason.
But this judge was his father.

Speaker 12 (29:29):
Yes, Amen, But Bates was appointed by George W. Bush
ordered the Trump administration to restore web pages related to
gender identity and sex change policies across various government agencies,
including the Department of Health and Human Services and the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Rees established her nonprofit

(29:52):
That's his wife after a visit to Ethiopia in two
thousand and three, later expanding its mission. You know what,
we're in the break. I'm going to have to take
the break. I completely lost track of time I need.
Let's take the break and we'll be back in a moment.

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Speaker 13 (31:25):
Welcome back to the broadcast. This is govern America.

Speaker 12 (31:27):
The website for the show is Governamerica dot com as
Governamerica dot com. My email address is radio at Governamerica
dot com Radio at Governamerica dot com. I apologize for
running into.

Speaker 13 (31:40):
The break there. I had to turn on the light
year so I could better see the clock.

Speaker 12 (31:45):
I told you it's gonna be one of those shows today,
ladies and gentlemen, because I am not at my best,
So you just bear with me. Vicky, go ahead and
give your website information out.

Speaker 13 (31:55):
If you would please. Oh, Vicky, I don't know where
Vicky is. I hear it typing.

Speaker 14 (32:05):
Oh yeah, I'm here. I'm sorry, boy, that was quick.

Speaker 12 (32:07):
Yeah, well that's because I ran. I ran into the
break and I was talking over the break. Oh so yeah,
that's it was a very quick break because I was
running my mouth during most of it. So anyway, go
ahead and give your website out and stuff.

Speaker 14 (32:22):
Okay. My website is the Technocratic Tyranny dot com and
Channelingreality dot com, and my email address is on both websites,
and my whole focus even if an article doesn't seem
like it's about systems it's about systems. It's about government

(32:42):
systems and what happened to our government, uh, based on
the projects they selected and the result of it. That's
why we no longer have any privacy. The government actually
facilitated private corporations in the development of government systems, with

(33:12):
the private corporation running the systems. Yeah, so that's you
know why, that's why nobody has any privacy anymore.

Speaker 13 (33:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (33:24):
So before the break, I was talking about this federal
judge whose wife was allegedly linked to us AI d
UH and the funding she had her own organization, and
now he's ruling on Trump's issues related to you know, gender,
health and all this other stuff. You know, conflicts of

(33:47):
interest prevail throughout the entire federal bureaucracy, in the entire
federal court system, and so I think at some point
people need to start impeaching these judges, and I think
they need.

Speaker 14 (33:59):
To be judges. It's members of Congress as well. What
they what they did? You know, it would be an
obvious conflict of interest if a congressman himself started a
business and then you know, got into the Internet services

(34:22):
you know, product provider kinds of systems, and so what
they did is that they kind of evolved into a
system of the member of Congress having his family member,
you know, get involved in government contracting. And they did

(34:42):
it in such a way that a lot of the
contracts are with foreign in foreign countries, but doing business
back in the United States. So so it's kind of
like an off books contract thing situation where the family

(35:03):
member makes the money and the congressman doesn't have to
report it on his annual report you for integrity, and so,
I mean, and it's been that way for at least
twenty years that I know of.

Speaker 12 (35:22):
Yeah, well, we were talking earlier about the Elon Musk
situation in the Office of Government Official, Department of Government Efficiency,
and I wanted to get back to that because all
of the stuff that's going on right now is on
the surface very good, you know, the uncovering of billions

(35:45):
of dollars of government waste. Yeah, I mean, I can't
argue against any of that. That needs to be exposed.
It needs to be out in the open, and it
needs to be dealt with. Frankly, I think people need
to be criminally prosecuted if they're not.

Speaker 13 (36:00):
You know, I was just hearing somewhere I forget where
there was.

Speaker 12 (36:07):
I think it was a talk show host reading an
article about all of the different contracts that they were giving,
and they were talking about Trump and some of the
stuff that he and I guess Elon were talking about
at their press conference. And these government contracts were just

(36:28):
reupt renewed over the course of years and nobody really
knows what they were even doing. This is just kickback,
you know, it's very obvious it's kickbacks. It's very obvious
that this is payoff for something. And these people have
just been and this isn't an isolated incident.

Speaker 13 (36:46):
This is the norm for government.

Speaker 12 (36:49):
This is just how government functions or misfunctions is. The
whole thing is rot with corruption, it's rot with fraud
and abuse.

Speaker 14 (37:02):
And it goes back to when they were converting all
of these systems. They were not They were making decisions
that introduced opportunities for fraud and corruption in these government systems.

(37:23):
They were not concerned with the integrity of the data.
They were concerned with the integration of the new technology
PCs and networks into the mainframe systems. And so that's
why you have data integrity problems. You know, where people

(37:45):
can apply for a program. But there is no audit
behind uh, no one now, no.

Speaker 13 (37:55):
Review of the data.

Speaker 12 (37:57):
Your microphone, VICKI pardon me, I said, you're brushing against
your microphone.

Speaker 14 (38:02):
Oh okay. It just goes straight into the system as
if it's been audited and is good data. Yeah, and
so we have a massive problem with integrity of data.

Speaker 13 (38:19):
Yeah, we have a message.

Speaker 14 (38:21):
Tell the exploits they can they can exploit it. Most
people are are pretty honest, you know, they don't access
government programs. But the people that are involved with systems
where money comes from the government, they knew all of

(38:42):
the uh, they knew the exploits, and they took advantage
of it and are still taking advantage of it.

Speaker 18 (38:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (38:52):
Well, there's no integrity.

Speaker 12 (38:54):
There's very little integrity anywhere in government, unfortunately. I say that,
you know, I don't want to believe that, but I
think it's really more at the top where decisions are made.

Speaker 13 (39:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (39:12):
And there's a lot of people in government that come
to work every day and just do their job and go.

Speaker 13 (39:17):
Home, you know. And I get that.

Speaker 12 (39:19):
And I'm not talking about the ordinary rank and file
worker who just has a job to do and comes
and does their job.

Speaker 13 (39:26):
And goes home.

Speaker 12 (39:27):
But we know that these contracts, that these payoffs, these
quid pro quos, these various other avenues of fraud.

Speaker 13 (39:40):
It's so prevalent today.

Speaker 12 (39:43):
And I remember somebody talking about I think it was Trump,
said that, you know, we don't even know that the
national debt is actually as high as it really is
because a lot of this is just fraud. If we
can eliminate the fraud, we could probably eliminate much of
the national debt.

Speaker 14 (40:01):
There's no doubt in my mind. And really are right,
You're right that it really isn't the frontline people who
interact with the public. All of this corruption is at
the administrative level of government, where the systems and data are.
And that's why this project was initiated out of the

(40:23):
Office of Management and Budget because they are the central
core that manages the money of government.

Speaker 18 (40:34):
Right, yeah, so.

Speaker 14 (40:37):
Yeah, this is needed to be done for over twenty
years that I know of. At one point in the
nineteen nineties, they just issued credit cards to government employees
out of the GSA so that they could buy off
the shelf technologies and stuff so they wouldn't have to

(41:01):
go through the government procurement process. Well, surprise, surprise, there
was massive fraud. You know, some of those people were
buying new furniture for their house, you know, buying all
kinds of stuff.

Speaker 13 (41:15):
Yeah, that's not surprising.

Speaker 12 (41:17):
So we see the White House is terminated top federal
prosecutors amid the Department of.

Speaker 13 (41:22):
Justice FBI purge.

Speaker 12 (41:25):
The White House terminated as many as a dozen US
attorneys Wednesday evening, amid a period of upheaval at the
Justice Department initiated by Donald Trump, who was himself. They say,
and this is NBC News is biased in here, creeping
in himself a criminal defendant in two separate federal cases

(41:47):
until they were dropped after his election in November. Now
that whole thing with him being a criminal defendant, you know,
the fact that they would put that in this piece,
it just shows where NBC News is coming from, because
that whole thing was completely fraud. It's total fraud, total

(42:08):
establishment and mouthpiece scumbags, that's what they are. But I'm
not apologist for Trump, but I will say that what
was going on there is extremely wrong. Two things can
be true at once, that's the whole point. You know,
you can have unjust charges being filed against a man

(42:30):
and you can have that man also being bringing in
a technocratic system that will not be good for us
the people, and the people being deceived by it.

Speaker 13 (42:40):
Well, this is the amazing thing.

Speaker 12 (42:41):
And this is why people get confused, because I think
people don't you know, they think that everything is either
or it's either this or that. No, you can have
more than one thing true it at the same time. Now,
Leo Homan wrote a very good piece on his website.

(43:03):
Trump the disruptor moves quickly to burn down the system.
But will disruption turn into chaos? Will closing the US
Department of Education, US AID and other agencies actually lead
to less government intrusion in our lives or will they
be replaced by something more? Senators and sinister, I think
it's interesting that in recent days and this is me talking,

(43:25):
not Leo, but I think it's interesting that Bill Gates,
Mark Zuckerberg, all these technocrats have flocked to the administration
in recent days, including Elon Musk, But the others are
making donations trying to get in Trump's good graces. I
think that they they see their opportunity to impose their

(43:50):
technocratic system upon the world and upon the United States.
And if they impose it on the United States. Certainly,
the United States has the capability of imposing it.

Speaker 13 (44:01):
On the world in large part.

Speaker 12 (44:04):
But they say, if we listen to the conservative press,
billionaire globalist technocrat Bill Gates is in panic mode making
the rounds in the corporate media to push back against
Elon Musk's latest cost cut, cost cutting move, folding us
AID into the State department. See, that's the thing. I
don't want the us AID folded into the state department.

(44:26):
I want it disbanded. I want it gone. You know,
you and I, Vickian and listeners out there. We shouldn't
have to have a gun pointed to our head to
be charitable. If you want to give money to Africa,
you want to give money to starving kids in Nigeria,
you want to give money to somebody else around the world,

(44:50):
you should be able to have the right to do that,
but you shouldn't have to do it or the gun
pointed to your head. And that's what the government function is.
Us AID is aid at the barrel of a gun
pointed at us because we have no choice but to
fund this government, and so they're giving our money away

(45:14):
to the rest of the world, and we have no
control over any of it.

Speaker 14 (45:18):
Well, what they're doing is building systems. Remember I said
the G seven decided to build global systems. Well they
they're implementing systems. And the big one, the really big one,
is global health. And so that's what USAID has been

(45:44):
working on, and probably the CIA too is trying to
implement a global health system under the for the UN.
So all these third world countries, they didn't have healthcare systems,
but with the Internet and PC technology and so forth,

(46:11):
they for some reason, I'm sure the contractors who take
contracts from USAID were saying, yeah, we can do this,
but we're paying for it as American taxpayers. We're paying
for it. And to see it, you know, just do

(46:32):
a search on Hillary Clinton and global health. They started
on that project in the nineteen nineties. The first State
Department official to work on that was Tim Worth and

(46:52):
when he was a Secretary of State under the Clinton administration.
So all of this time they've been trying to build
out global health. Well, you know, you don't go to
a third world country that doesn't even have water systems
and whatever and drop you know, twenty first century technology

(47:16):
into their country. You've got to have the water. You've
got to have the electricity, you've got to have sanitation.
It's you know, the list goes on. You've got to
build a modern infrastructure to have modern systems. Yeah, and
so it was just insane, you know. But they got

(47:42):
all wrapped up in the idea of the Internet and
connectivity and you know, being able to have a surgeon
at Boston Hospital walk a physician's assistant through a surgery

(48:03):
in a third world country, and then the process what
they did to our country is turn our healthcare system
into a third world system.

Speaker 13 (48:13):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and it's not geared toward curing anything.

Speaker 12 (48:19):
And supposedly RFK Junior is going to try to resolve that. Well,
I hope he's sincere in trying to resolve that.

Speaker 13 (48:27):
I but I don't know.

Speaker 12 (48:29):
What he says is that he wants to give people data.
I got the audio on that.

Speaker 14 (48:34):
He wants to give people people data.

Speaker 12 (48:36):
Good, good science is what he said, which sounds a
lot like technocracy to me. And I know that RFK
Junior was a big time into the whole climate change thing,
which it dovetails very nicely with the whole technate concept, which.

Speaker 14 (48:54):
Is exactly so that's and you just hit on it
right there, because the whole climate change thing is a
science and technology based concept. The idea that we can
implement systems for efficiency to help help stop climate change.

(49:15):
The whole thing is just one massive con game. And
the idea, I'm sure was to be able to sell
American technology to other countries for environmental efficiency.

Speaker 13 (49:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (49:31):
Leo homan I started reading his piece a moment ago,
talking about, you know, is something darker?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
You know?

Speaker 12 (49:37):
These are all these goods, all these good things are happening.
But are the closing of the Department of Education, USAID,
you know.

Speaker 13 (49:46):
And other government agencies?

Speaker 12 (49:48):
Is it really something good to keep government out of
our lives or is it going to be replaced with
something more sinister?

Speaker 13 (49:54):
You know?

Speaker 12 (49:55):
And he's talking about Bill Gates, and he says Gates,
who seems to have President Trump's ear, is he really
that worried, you know, despite him going around on the
media and saying, oh, you know, I don't like what's
going on here with Elon Musk. Leo Holman says it's
been widely reported that the shakeup would give Secretary of

(50:15):
State Marco Rubio oversight of the agency. A scenario that
could put an end to USAID's lucrative funding pipeline for
gates pet project. Appearing on NBC's Today's Show, Gates insisted
that USAID's work is not at all politically motivated. Now,
if anybody believes that I got some motion front property

(50:35):
to sell you, I think it's motivated by his ability
to his eugenics leanings. Frankly, this is why Bill Gates.
There's a video on the website at Governamerica dot com
on the front.

Speaker 13 (50:51):
Page, who is Bill Gates.

Speaker 12 (50:53):
People need to read that or watch that video, because
if you don't know about Bill gates eugenics leaning, it
goes back.

Speaker 13 (51:00):
I can do his family history.

Speaker 12 (51:01):
Yeah, you just recently watched that video, Vicky, what did
you think of it?

Speaker 14 (51:08):
I know watching it, but when you were.

Speaker 13 (51:11):
You were raving about it. Actually, uh, well that was
the James Corvett.

Speaker 14 (51:18):
But I do know Bill Gates' history in terms of eugenics. Yeah,
and uh, if you catch him on some of the
Ted Talks, I mean he he makes it clear there
was something interesting that happened in the nineteen nineties with
Bill Gates.

Speaker 12 (51:39):
Well, before you go on, before you go on regarding
the Ted talks before I forget Innovating to Zero. Listeners,
look up the Ted talk with Bill Gates Innovating to
Zero and go in five minutes. Five minutes where he
talks about using vaccines to reduce the population. He said
it all right there, go ahead, VICKI I'm sorry.

Speaker 14 (52:00):
Yeah. Well, Microsoft was sued on an anti trust violation.
But what really ticked me off about that lawsuit was
that it was only about the browser. There were a
number of browsers on the market at the time, and

(52:23):
Microsoft was built one Internet Explorer I think it was,
but they integrated it into.

Speaker 13 (52:32):
Their operating Windows.

Speaker 14 (52:35):
And so Netscape, which was a great browser, that was
the browser I used at the time, sued, you know,
for anti trust violation because Microsoft was trying to dominate
the uh huh. And so Microsoft lost. But it wasn't

(53:00):
so long after that that Bill Gates kind of he
didn't resign as CEO, but he started working on at
the global level through his Gates Foundation. And I think
that the project that he was working on, I know,

(53:21):
I have a copy of a contract that he signed
with Unesco, and it started out with education software, but
then he evolved into health software. At some point that
the healthcare system and so, you know, he was building

(53:43):
systems for the United Nations and so. Yeah, but it's
pretty clear when somebody tells you something, believe it that
it doesn't seem like our media picks up on the
fact that when somebody important says something, believe it and

(54:06):
report it.

Speaker 12 (54:07):
Well, they believe it when it benefits them, when it
benefits the The media largely is an establishment mouthpiece, you know.
And that goes for Fox News too, Fox News, MSNBCCN
and all of them. All of them are propagandizing people.
You know, does Fox News have they ever mentioned the

(54:27):
word technocracy? Have they ever exposed Agenda twenty one. I haven't,
you know, heard much on that front. I don't think
I've actually heard people talk about it promoted.

Speaker 14 (54:37):
But I do know that when we first started researching
Agenda twenty one, it was supposedly a conspiracy theory. Yeah,
but over time, as more as the project to put
more government information and corporate information online, then it became provable.

(55:03):
They could no longer deny it.

Speaker 12 (55:05):
Yeah, it's provable when you can go straight to the
United Nations website and read it. It kind of blows
the whole idea out of the water, that it's a
conspiracy theory.

Speaker 14 (55:15):
Yeah. I remember, I was so excited the first time
I found the term Agenda twenty one on a government website,
you know, official information, the real thing.

Speaker 13 (55:30):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (55:30):
It was a very big deal back then.

Speaker 13 (55:32):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 12 (55:34):
So I'll continue reading this piece from Leo Home. And
there's also some other stuff. I found an article from
CBC News on technocracy from back to twenty from way
back in twenty twenty one, which is very very revealing
and so in terms of.

Speaker 13 (55:52):
The background in history.

Speaker 12 (55:54):
So I have every reason to believe Elon Musk's intentions
are not pure.

Speaker 14 (56:00):
And I'm sorry I have something to say about technocracy
after the break.

Speaker 12 (56:05):
Okay, all right, very good, all right, we got the break,
and then we'll come back after the break and continue
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Kennedy, Junior enjoyed his first full day in office as
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A school district in Michigan is trying to prepare kids
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To Woodroof Portage Public School in Michigan teaches a lesson
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AFN talked with the President of Sexual Integrity Leaders, Daniel
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needed in the culture we have today.

Speaker 15 (01:02:20):
That culture's sexually unhealthy, it's sexually confusing, and from the
looks of it, this school is acting in a very
proactive way. Not they've already done this, but they're moving
it from the ninth grade down to the sixth grade,
because so many kids had been exposed and had not
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material in high school. This is very age appropriate curriculum.

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I'm familiar with the group they've contracted with to help
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Speaker 26 (01:02:49):
That group is an educational consultant called Protect Young Eyes,
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Speaker 12 (01:06:46):
Welcome back to the broadcast. This is Governed America. It's
the fifteenth of February twenty twenty five. Good to have
you with us, ladies and gentlemen joining in our number two. Vicky,
you said you wanted to say something going into that
last break.

Speaker 14 (01:07:00):
Yeah, I wanted to tell everybody to that when you
go back in history and look at something like Technocracy Incorporated,
you have to keep in mind the time frame that
they're working on, and that was it was the nineteen

(01:07:20):
thirties and the idea of labor saving machines was just,
you know, just beginning to come into its own and
the idea that you could have machines that would help

(01:07:41):
you with you know whatever, whatever it is, paperwork or designing.
I think they wanted to build a canal going east
west across the United States. You know, the key point
is ificiency for those people. They were efficiency fanatics in

(01:08:07):
a in a time frame when efficiency was what was
needed to help the economy progress, and that IBM had
machines and National Cash Register had machines that helped with
like retail sales and with accounting. They were primitive, they

(01:08:32):
were very primitive. But the idea is engineering machines for
efficiency of process and so when you look at Technocracy,
that was that was their idea and they were in
the forefront of the idea of using machines for efficiency

(01:08:54):
and designing integrated processes forfficiency. So and it progressed from
there even though Technocracy Incorporated dropped out IBM. Actually there
were about six six computer companies in the late nineteen

(01:09:20):
fifties that started. But the Bank of America their check
processing system that was the first real business application. And
prior to that, they would have employees that would do
hand posting on a Ledger card at the bank where

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you had your account well being able to bring all
the checks together put magnetic encoding on the bottom of
the check and then read it through a computer and
have a h U A ledger of all the accounts.

(01:10:04):
That's what allowed the banking system to really grow beyond
a simple branch business. So and everything has progressed, you know,
forward from that point. So when you look at technocracy,
keep in mind the time that you're looking at. The

(01:10:26):
time frame.

Speaker 13 (01:10:27):
Yeah, earlier we were sharing an article from Leo Homan.

Speaker 12 (01:10:30):
I want to get back to that real quickly, because
he was talking about Bill Gates and how Bill Gates
is supposedly against a lot of the stuff that we're
seeing here. He Bill Gates certainly profits from us AI
d the organization, and Leo Homan says, while Gates may
be concerned that he's going to lose some government funding,
he can make it up elsewhere, no problem. And Gates

(01:10:51):
Microsoft AI Juggernaut is already listed as one of the
benefit benefit factors benefactors of Trump's Stargate project to blank
America with massive AI data collection centers. Gates, contrary to
what many conservatives believe, is not on the outside looking
at as a billionaire technocrat. Gates is already part of

(01:11:11):
the in crowd with this White House. He requested a
meeting with the new president a few weeks ago, and
he got what he wanted three and a half hours
with Trump. His AI partner, Sam Altman of chat GPT,
then surfaced a few days later as one of Trump's
main partners in Stargate. Trump, if We've learned anything from

(01:11:33):
his first two weeks in office, is attracted to technocrats
and billionaires. He likes to build things, and he likes
to be seen as on the being on the cutting edge.
Trump like his biggest billionaire technocrat backer, Peter Teal. You
know again, Peter Teele, the guy who gave Mark Zuckerberg
seed money for Facebook listeners, the guy who was behind PayPal,

(01:11:56):
the guy who was behind that surveillance company.

Speaker 13 (01:11:59):
What was the name of this veilance company? Again, I'm
drawing a blank on it, but vallunteer. Thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:12:06):
Yeah, Peter Teo, you know, the biggest technical crap backer
for Trump. He also, Peter Teo also prizes himself in
being a disruptor.

Speaker 16 (01:12:20):
Or.

Speaker 13 (01:12:20):
Trump does.

Speaker 12 (01:12:21):
While some amount of disruption may be needed in a
country as wayward as the United States, two months, disruption
delivered too quickly will simply plunge the nation into chaos,
and chaos can be exploited by the very globalists Trump
says he's against. If Trump ends up declaring martial law
to reign in protests, the globalists get their way with

(01:12:42):
him again, just like they did in his first term
with COVID lockdowns. While I fully support the idea of
reducing the government's bloated footprint on our lives, we'd better
be careful what we wish for. What if the entire government,
entire government agencies are shuttered, not to reduce the size
and scope of government authority, but to replace that authority

(01:13:03):
with a more efficient AI driven surveillance system.

Speaker 13 (01:13:06):
And this is exactly what.

Speaker 12 (01:13:07):
I was talking about in the first hour Listeners, Who
needs two million federal employees if AI is on the
cusp of taking over their duties anyway, a government run
by algorithm could be so terrifyingly efficient in its tyranny
that we will one day wish we could bring back

(01:13:27):
some of those inefficient and incompetent bureaucrats. Some of Trump's
policies also fly in the face of his campaign promises
and more appear more globalist than America. First, for example,
Trump came out and said that he will continue funding
the war in Ukraine as long as the US can
lay claim to Ukraine's rare earth minerals. So the same

(01:13:49):
bloody war he said on the campaign trail he would
end within the first twenty four hours of his presidency,
he now wants to keep going under the condition that
the US gets to take the spoil. Also, Trump's February
fourth announcement with Israeli Prime Minister net and Yahoo regarding
the US takeover of Gaza is loaded with unanswered questions

(01:14:10):
and fraught with risks. We'll own it, he said. The
White House sent out a clarifying statement twenty four hours
later on February fifth, saying that Trump's plan to relocate
the Palestinians would not be permanent, but they would only
be temporary. What authority does the US government have to
relocate anybody? Listeners, They're a sovereign country. We have no

(01:14:35):
business doing anything over there. And frankly, if there's genocide happening,
why would we reward the genocide of Israel by essentially
giving them Gaza? Because that's really what this is about,
isn't it Greater Israel? The odegianon plan. So they say,

(01:14:58):
this Gaza deal strikes me as as a grave mistake.
The art of the deal is sounding more and more
like our art of destruction when you consider that any
redevelopment project in Gaza must start with a military project.
How else are you going to forcefully remove all the Palestinians. Well,
I think Israel's already pretty well driven them out of
the area for a large part, level the buildings and

(01:15:21):
demine the land. This goes flatly against Trump's long stated
policy of focusing on America first. Why spend years working
to redevelop a war torn strip of real estate overseas
when we have places in America that almost looked as
downtrodden and desperate. Gaza was wrecked by a kinetic war,

(01:15:42):
bombs falling out of the sky after decades of economic
war waged by Americans against Americans. We have ghost towns
throughout the American South and Midwest that have been hollowed
out by disastrous NAFTA type trade deals, deals that are
outsourced that have outsourced our jobs to Mexico, China, Vietnam,
et cetera, leaving behind empty shells of industrial structures that

(01:16:03):
dot the landscape like the decaying bones of a once
healthy person. I predicted that twenty twenty five would be
a year of chaos and confusion, but even I am
having my mind blown by the pace of the news
cycles these last two weeks. Will Trump deliver just the
right amount of disruption to fix our sick and die
in republic? Do we just need to trust the plan

(01:16:26):
or will we go overboard? Or will he go overboard,
overstep the constitutional boundaries set for his office and be
used to drive an already divided nation into the realm
of chaos with civil and economic upheaval. I'd like to
hear your thoughts on the comments, so anyway, that's Leo
Homan weighing in, And I think it's a genuine concern

(01:16:49):
when we consider the technocratic system that's just being pushed
I believe, being pushed into place by the technocrats that
are currently running Trump.

Speaker 14 (01:17:04):
Trump had an uncle who was a technocrat or a
scientist or something, and I read a little bit about that,
not enough to be able to tell you a lot
about it, but I think that's where Trump's orientation towards

(01:17:27):
technology and engineering and so forth comes from. And so
Trump is a marketing guy. People should never forget he
is a marketing guy. And so, you know, when it's
pretty obvious that he listens to the marketing presentation from

(01:17:49):
you know, this technocrat and he decides he's going to
do this, and then he listens to a presentation by
another tech guy and so he's going to do that.
But there's no real coherence of thought in terms of
integrating those ideas together. Yeah, you know, and I know

(01:18:13):
that with our healthcare system, the objective since nineteen ninety
has been genetic medicine and what was the modern of vaccine.
They were trying to come up with some kind of
a universal vaccine. Well, the only way to come up

(01:18:35):
with a universal vaccine is to modify your genetic structure.

Speaker 13 (01:18:43):
Yep, that's exactly what alivity.

Speaker 14 (01:18:47):
Yeah, if you happen to have a proclivity for a
certain disease, the idea is to be able to engineer
your gene structure to eliminate or diffuse that proclivity.

Speaker 12 (01:19:01):
Yep, Messenger Arena. Yeah, it's changing people's DNA. They would
deny that, but I think it's a hogwash that they
deny it. Anyway, we got a call on the line
and folks, if you would like to call in, you're
welcome to do that. Six ' ten, six hundred seventeen
seventy six. We'll pepper the calls throughout the show when

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we get them, and I will continue sharing information in
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Speaker 13 (01:19:42):
Let's go to the phones, Idaho. You're on the air.
Go ahead, please, Hi.

Speaker 27 (01:19:46):
Hi, Darren and VICKI. This is Casey Whalen in Idaho.

Speaker 13 (01:19:49):
Oh hey, Casey, thanks for that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Hi.

Speaker 27 (01:19:53):
I heard you guys talking about d I don't mean
to change the subject.

Speaker 13 (01:19:56):
No, nope, go ahead call in.

Speaker 27 (01:19:58):
I want to call in to, you know, give people
some hope and courage. We need, we need people to
get into these schools and public institutions and start documenting
this DEI stuff in there, and that alone, just by
putting it out in the ether has a has a
great effect, I think, and I think now's the time
to strike while the iron's hot, while we have the momentum.
And I've been doing that well in.

Speaker 14 (01:20:21):
The case and tell them what you're talking about, tell
them what you've found.

Speaker 27 (01:20:27):
Well, I've been doing public records requests through the West
Ada County School District and the Boise School District, and
I'm basically searching through their emails for emails pertaining to
the Wasmoth Center, which is a local human rights institute here.
And by doing that, I found that for a three
week duration in January through the Boise School District, there

(01:20:48):
were almost five thousand communications just for that one topic
for Wassmuth Center. And so there's a lot of influence
going on behind the scenes that we really don't even
know about, and of course they want to keep that
hidden from us. So I mean, if we can get
some parents in these schools and kids at schools just
just taking pictures and you know, getting to other independent

(01:21:09):
journalists like me or whoever else, you know, it has
a great effect. And I would encourage people in Idaho
to contact me my email addresses North Idaho Exposed e
X P O S E. D at protommail dot com.
Yesterday I was at the Boise High School trying to
access the school as a visitor, and I was basically

(01:21:29):
told I had to leave the premises pretty much immediately
and essentially have been threatened with trespass since. And I
was just trying to visit the building as a visitor
and as a journalist, which I told him that wow,
and they're being very heavy handed. And they did have
some LGBTQ propaganda on their marquee outside, so there's a

(01:21:50):
lot going on. They want to keep this hidden and
we just got to get to these public institutions.

Speaker 12 (01:21:56):
So just to elaborate on that, them trying to borrow
you from being in the building, you weren't call it
causing any disruption or anything like that. You were just
there to try to observe and ask questions.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Correct.

Speaker 27 (01:22:12):
And they had an intercom outside the doorway because they
can't even go inside the school, so I know, packed
stay intercom. I told them what I was doing, and
of course they were very curious about that. A lady
came out of the building gave me a note a
phone number for the school district to set up an appointment,
which you know, that's fine. But I was leaving and

(01:22:33):
I stopped for a moment to take a video of
this marquee which has this LGBTQ propaganda on it. And
as I was getting I was starting to walk away,
these kids come up and they asked if I was
an investigative journalist. I said yeah, and they took a
picture with me. They must have heard me through the
intercom or whatever, and they rushed out and they said,
they're right on your butt, and I'm like, I just
got here. And this gentleman came out and pretty much

(01:22:55):
reiterated that, you know, I had to be you know,
off the premises, and so anyways, I left, but then
I got a call from a school resource officer later
that day, you know, basically trespassing me from all schools
in the district.

Speaker 12 (01:23:08):
Now, this is a public building, aren't they subject to
open meetings laws?

Speaker 13 (01:23:13):
Open Meetings Act? You know, and those kinds of things.

Speaker 12 (01:23:17):
I mean, this to me is just mind blowing that
the public, you know, an independent journalist or any journalist
isn't allowed into a public building that we pay for
with our tax dollars.

Speaker 27 (01:23:29):
Yeah, And I tried to make that argument with I
had tried to immediately contact the school district and then
contact the Boise High School main office and to set
up an appointment, and then I was hung up on
I had to call back a couple more times talk
to a security guard and it was the same thing.
Just he wasn't listening to me, and I told him,

(01:23:49):
I'm just trying to you know, access to school after hours.
It doesn't have to be during the school and he
kept reiterating, well, you can't visit the school during school hours.
So it's just they're trying to hide this. I'm receiving
emails from parents in the school districts actually after I
shared this today. I've got two emails already, and they're
just reitering that the Boise High School is is terrible.

(01:24:12):
There's all kinds of brainwashing going on where they're transiing
kids and so, you know, to me, this has got
to stop. I'm sick of this stuff. Yeah, and you know,
we just got to get get a little courage and
just to start exposing it.

Speaker 12 (01:24:26):
Well, God bless you for doing what you're doing. You know,
I wonder what you think of all this these federal
efforts to defund you know, I'm really hoping that some
of this stuff is sincere on the federal level where
they were Trump are really He's made a lot of
noise about defunding say the Department of Education and defunding
schools turning it back.

Speaker 13 (01:24:46):
Over to the states.

Speaker 12 (01:24:47):
But in this case, I'm not so sure that the
states are going to root out this corruption when they're
the ones imposing a lot of it.

Speaker 14 (01:24:53):
Is that right?

Speaker 13 (01:24:54):
I think?

Speaker 27 (01:24:56):
I think this by like exposing it, Like I said,
you know, maybe that that alone, that little hook, could
be enough for them to lose federal funding.

Speaker 6 (01:25:03):
Right.

Speaker 27 (01:25:03):
No, But but obviously they don't. They don't like this.
I actually even went to the Boise City Hall after
the high school and after just looking around with the
body camera, I went to the Mayor's office and I
was locked in the Mayor's office by a magnetic lock,
and I was approached by a officer Moreno, who said

(01:25:24):
they were very curious as to why I was looking
around our public building. You know, so this is just
a common theme where you know, I don't think we
do it have any public buildings anymore. Obviously it doesn't
seem like it. So yeah, but regardless, we need to
get in there and just document what we can and
expose it. I did find some like at Boise City
Hall they fly the LGBTQ flag out front, and then

(01:25:46):
there's a little bit of propaganda in there, but yeah,
so that's dictated by the city council. So anyways, we
just need to get you know, stand in the gap
and push back because we do have the momentum.

Speaker 13 (01:25:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:25:57):
Well, I really appreciate you coming on and up us
on what your activities are and what you're finding. I
know that I have long thought of Idaho as being
a conservative state, and when you see things like this,
it's very clear that this dei rot, this cultural Marxism
that is pervasive everywhere is certainly pervasive and what we

(01:26:21):
would have would have traditionally thought of as a conservative state.
It's frightening, it's terrifying, and I'm so glad that there
are people like you, Casey that are working to try
to do something about it. God bless you and godspeed.
I would ask this audience to pray for his safety
as well.

Speaker 13 (01:26:40):
You got anything else, Casey, No.

Speaker 27 (01:26:43):
That was really and I really appreciate the platform. Could
follow my work on x that Casey underscore Whalen that's
w H A L E N And please shoot me
an email North Idaho Expose at ProtonMail dot com. Thank
you so much for what you both do.

Speaker 13 (01:26:55):
A right, God bless you. We got to take the
bottom of the hour break. We'll be back.

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Speaker 14 (01:33:00):
I want to add a little more of what Casey
was talking about. What he got from the school district
was a report on their activities that is pure, pure
propagandizing and organizing of students to be Now this is

(01:33:25):
my words, my opinion, but organizing the students to be
little nazis the The idea is to have a club
led by the student council that supposedly is on the
lookout for I assume bullying and students that are side

(01:33:53):
you know, they they are not part of the mainstream
social club and they are organizing. They want to organize
the students to be a member of the Upstander Club.
The Upstander Club are the ones that supposedly defend the

(01:34:14):
students that are in a minority status. Whatever the minority
status happens to be. LGBTQ is one of them. But
organizing a student club like that led by an adult,
by adults is a very dangerous thing, extremely dangerous thing.

(01:34:41):
And so that's really at the heart of this issue.
And Casey is trying to get people to pay attention
to this, and they should be paying attention to it.

Speaker 12 (01:34:54):
Yeah, there's so many things, there's so many things that
are so important that we need to be paying attention to, right, But.

Speaker 14 (01:35:01):
They need to get that out of the high schools. Yeah,
it's so inappropriate to put that kind of thing into
the high schools.

Speaker 12 (01:35:10):
Yeah, Benjamin Kid years ago said give us the young,
you know, give us the young, and we'll create, you know,
their utopian society in a single generation. I'm trying to
remember exactly what the I'll find the quote here in
just a moment, but it would take a single generation. Well,

(01:35:30):
they're well, they have taken a lot of time, many
generations actually, they've been working on trying to convert. I'm
happy to see much of America's youth are thinking for themselves,
but certainly not nearly enough. One of the things that
was brought up in the chat room that I wanted
to address was this.

Speaker 13 (01:35:51):
Article by Prester John seventeen twenty nine, who I.

Speaker 12 (01:35:55):
Guess doesn't like us very well because he says it
sounds like Vicky and Darren have not done their homework. Again,
we list this to hold on this time regarding the
Crisper Cas nine gene editing injections, which do not all caps,
do not all use Messenger RNA. In fact, most of

(01:36:16):
the gene editing injections use DNA to achieve the gene
editing to achieve the DNA. Ah, sorry, I told you,
I'm not doing well today. In fact, most of the
gene editing injections use DNA to achieve the gene edit.
As far as I know, it was only Pfizer and

(01:36:37):
Moderna who were using mRNA, the mRNA approach and all
the others Johnson and Johnson, AstraZeneca, Russian Sputnik, etc.

Speaker 13 (01:36:46):
We're using DNA.

Speaker 12 (01:36:49):
And he says, the point stop blaming the murder by
injection on mRNA when it is Crisper cast nine gene editing.

Speaker 13 (01:36:57):
That is the problem.

Speaker 12 (01:36:59):
So I invited them to call in, and he says,
he says that he's in another country and he can't
call in or doesn't want to pay the high cost
of calling in. I know, and I told him We've
talked about Crisper on this show many many times.

Speaker 13 (01:37:17):
You want to elaborate on that a little bit.

Speaker 14 (01:37:19):
Yeah, The problem obviously is that they used during this
whole COVID thing, they were using the entire not the
entire population, but whatever population's got that gene editing injections.

(01:37:40):
They were using our population as experimental research subjects. Absolutely,
I don't have a problem with people signing up knowingly
to test something like that, But I do have a

(01:38:00):
big problem with just using the entire population as a
potential medical research. I mean, that's crimes against humanity level stuff,
which is why I have been worried about the healthcare
system since two thousand and seven when I watched a

(01:38:24):
presentation by IBM and Mayo Clinic given to the governors
on the subject of personalized medicine. Well, what is personalized medicine?
That means they analyze your blood, they look at your
DNA structures, and then they compound a pharmaceutical specifically for you. Yeah,

(01:38:51):
that's human experimentation.

Speaker 13 (01:38:53):
Personalized medicine, exactly right.

Speaker 12 (01:38:56):
And I think, honestly, would you agree, and maybe the
listener in the chat room what might agree? It sounds
like they would that crisper, the crisper research.

Speaker 13 (01:39:07):
That was being done.

Speaker 12 (01:39:10):
I think it's the foundation of what they were doing
with the COVID shot.

Speaker 13 (01:39:14):
Frankly, Oh, no.

Speaker 14 (01:39:15):
Question about it. Yeah, no question that the research. The
idea is to come up with a universal vaccine, one
vaccine for everybody, and the only way that they could
do that would be to have a modifier within the
vaccine itself. You know, as I understand the way that

(01:39:38):
that works is that the mRNA attaches to a gene
and then it's able to in some way modify the gene.
I mean, you know, this is like science fiction stuff,
but it's real, it's real. That's what they're doing.

Speaker 13 (01:39:58):
Yeah, I believe their programming ourselves. That's what I believe.

Speaker 12 (01:40:02):
And you know, again I'm not a scientist, but really
that's what they're trying to push. They're trying to push
this narrative that only the scientists, only the people. You know,
you're you're you're too stupid to understand this stuff, so
therefore you don't have a voice. That's technocracy, it's the experts,
it's the it's the tyranny of the experts.

Speaker 13 (01:40:22):
Yes, tyranny of the scientists rule.

Speaker 14 (01:40:24):
And tyranny by scientists.

Speaker 13 (01:40:27):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 12 (01:40:28):
Let's go to the phones, uh out to California now
and see what the Color has to say.

Speaker 13 (01:40:33):
Hello, Color, you're on the air.

Speaker 35 (01:40:35):
Go ahead, please, oh the Hi, this is Cynthia in California.

Speaker 13 (01:40:39):
Hi.

Speaker 10 (01:40:39):
There.

Speaker 35 (01:40:39):
You know, y'all are discussing us ai D and what
y'all didn't discuss with the fact that it actually is
not constitutional. The long history of wealthy people trying to
get the government to pay for special projects for them
goes way back. They tried to do transportation projects and

(01:41:03):
the last president i'm aware of who turned him down,
saying you need an amendment to do that construction project.
It's not constitutional. That was Andrew Jackson. You know, our
history involves President Lincoln doing all kinds of unconstitutional things,

(01:41:24):
and in order to pull that off, he jailed over
fourteen thousand members of the press.

Speaker 13 (01:41:30):
Yep.

Speaker 35 (01:41:32):
So that pretty much squelched the people who would have
stood up. He even deep ordered a member of Congress,
snapping him and sending him to England.

Speaker 36 (01:41:43):
I think.

Speaker 35 (01:41:46):
So that's very well established history. So what we have
now is is John F. Kennedy initiated as USAID, thinking, oh,
we can help people overseas. But there is no constitutional
enumeration that permits that behavior. Therefore, any debt generated on

(01:42:07):
that is unconstitutional to expect us to pay for it fraud,
and so it is.

Speaker 14 (01:42:15):
And well, the Constitution's research is most of our domestic
policy comes from the State Department. What they did is
to set up a system whereby the State Department can
go negotiate with countries and then bring it back around
and insert it into our Congress.

Speaker 13 (01:42:39):
You're brushing against your mic again, VICKI.

Speaker 14 (01:42:41):
Through the Legislative Affairs Agency or the Legislative Affairs Bureau
embedded in the government, between the State Department and Congress,
and then Congress initiates legislation to implement that in our

(01:43:03):
in our country. On my website, I have an article
about the boomerang that's what I call it. It's a
boomerang effect. So you know, we vote for members of Congress,
but our domestic policy really comes from the State Department.
And what they did with USAID was to be able

(01:43:26):
to set up a kind of like a weaponized social
services agency to go work in other countries, and so
you know, it also loops around. But now what you
were just talking about, put that in the context of

(01:43:50):
global health, the Chris Burn gene editing and all of that.
Global health is the way they will the whole world
as experimental subjects, you know, for whatever monstrous things they
have in mind to test. Yeah, and so yeah, it

(01:44:13):
SUTs together. And you know, if you if you do
the kind of systems research, which is what I do,
and when you understand the global systems that they set
up and look at what USAID is doing. They're setting
up global health in all of these third world countries.

Speaker 12 (01:44:34):
It's uh, you know, the Constitution is very clear. If
it's not specifically authorized in the Constitution, the federal government
can't do it. Unfortunately, we have a lawless government and
they have strayed from constitutional principles to the point where
they're doing all kinds of things that they're not specifically
authorized to do. And so that's the challenge is getting

(01:44:57):
it back in line with what we should have as
opposed to what.

Speaker 14 (01:45:04):
And that's the significance of at least that's my idea
of the significance of what I do is to be
able to provide facts so that nobody can call you
a conspiracy theorist. Nobody can call me a conspiracy theorist
on Global Health because I have the receipts. I know

(01:45:27):
where it started, I know when it started, I know
who is involved. And you know, one of the things
in Ukraine is that people are wondering why do they
have these laboratories over there, like the Level four laboratories
where they're working with hazardous materials and stuff. Well, CDC

(01:45:51):
set up along with Global Health, is a global laboratory system,
and you know their plan on a pandemic coming through.
They've been planning on a pandemic coming through since two
thousand and two. Was the first report that I saw,

(01:46:11):
White House Report, Government report, YEP on pandemic influenza.

Speaker 12 (01:46:17):
And as about that time that they said that your
dose would have your name on it. That I remember
very clearly.

Speaker 14 (01:46:24):
Uh huh.

Speaker 13 (01:46:25):
So since Cynthia, do you have anything else?

Speaker 36 (01:46:29):
Well, think about it. He's he's wanting to end the
Department of Education, which doesn't have a constitutional right to exist, right,
And he's not making the constitutional argument, he's avoiding the Constitution,
or he's just basically grossly ignorant of it.

Speaker 15 (01:46:45):
That good point, and we desperately need.

Speaker 36 (01:46:48):
To get our state legislatures up to speed on what
the constitution permits that federal government to do and what
it doesn't have permit it to do, because they need
to pull it. They need to pull that.

Speaker 35 (01:46:59):
Federal government back.

Speaker 36 (01:47:00):
It's up to the state legislators.

Speaker 35 (01:47:02):
They're going to say, oh, I can't anything.

Speaker 36 (01:47:03):
It's the Feds. No, it is their responsibility to represent
our interests and get that under the constitution.

Speaker 14 (01:47:12):
All the Great Society programs were designed in order for
the Feds to have a hook into our states. If
you look at him, there's like Medicaid and a whole
bunch of them, but it was designed to put a

(01:47:34):
hook into the states so that the Feds could basically
bribe our state legislators to participate in these national programs.
The Department of Education was established by Jimmy Carter and
along with the Department of Energy, and he also defined

(01:47:57):
the Senior Executive Service to ensure that there would be
a permanent layer of executive management at our federal government level.
And that was in nineteen seventy nineteen seventy seven that
the Department of Energy and the Department of Education came

(01:48:21):
into being. That was at the same time that the
whole environmental movement was just getting started. And so if
you look at those two things, they wanted to change
our education system to be able to propagandize the children,

(01:48:44):
and the Department of Engineering to be able to engineer
our society with the new technologies. And so all of
these things fit together when you go back and look
at history and then go forward. Yeah, from there, understanding

(01:49:05):
the time frame they were operating in, which was at
the beginning of the period of automation, automation of everything.

Speaker 12 (01:49:16):
Yeah, Cynthia, I don't know if you had anything else,
just said, if you.

Speaker 35 (01:49:23):
Look back, very small percentage of our presidents have initiated
and promoted is actually constitutional yeah, it's all geared to
increase their power.

Speaker 13 (01:49:34):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 12 (01:49:35):
And I specifically remember that Ronald Reagan was going to
end the Department of Education and it never happened, and
Charlotte Izzerbie attempted to blow the whistle on an initiative
and she was fired. And so there you go. So hey,
I appreciate the call. Thank you very much. God bless you.
So this article, there's an article in that was actually

(01:50:01):
a BBC article on the subject of technocracy. I thought
this was very important. This didn't come out though within
the last well. It came out in twenty twenty one,
long before Elon Musk was at the Helm in the
White House. But it talks about the history of Technocracy Incorporated.

(01:50:23):
And it said, basically the article's headlight in science we trust.
Back in the first half of the twentieth century, a
group called Technocracy Incorporated wanted to organize society by putting
scientists in charge. The movie Flame, The movement flamed out,
but its underlying message still appeals to many. In Silicon Valley,

(01:50:43):
they say. On October thirteenth, nineteen forty, a Regina chiropractor
named Joshua Halderman appeared in City Court to face two.

Speaker 13 (01:50:53):
Charges under the Defense of Canada Act.

Speaker 12 (01:50:55):
His alleged offense was belonging to Technocracy Incorporated, an organization
that had been banned by the Canadian government several months
earlier as part of a larger sweep of groups it
considered subversive to the war effort. Technocracy Incorporated was not
a political movement. In fact, politicians or members of political
parties were not allowed to join. It was founded in

(01:51:17):
New York City in nineteen thirty three as an educational
and research organization promoting a radical restructuring of political, social,
and economic life in Canada and the United States, with
science as its central operating principle. There would be no politicians,
business people, money, or income inequality. Now doesn't that dovetail

(01:51:37):
just nicely with what they are always what the Democrats
are always talking about, you know, income inequality.

Speaker 14 (01:51:45):
It's it's automated communism.

Speaker 13 (01:51:49):
Yep, pretty much.

Speaker 12 (01:51:51):
They're not going to call it that, but those were
all the features of what Technocracy called the price system,
and it.

Speaker 13 (01:51:59):
Would have to go.

Speaker 12 (01:52:00):
There would be no countries called Canada or the United
States either, just one giant continental landmass. Does that sound familiar?
Listeners called the Technate a techno utopia run by engineers
and other quote unquote experts in their fields. In the Technate,
everyone would be well housed and fed. All material needs

(01:52:22):
would be taken care of, you know, chicken and every
pot listeners, whether you had a job or not. Joshua
Haldeman was a leader of Technocracy Incorporated in Canada from
nineteen thirty six to nineteen forty one, but eventually became
disillusioned with both the organization and the country and packed
up his young family to start a new life in
South Africa. And June nineteen seventy one, Alleman's daughter mayve

(01:52:47):
gave birth to his first grandson. His name was Elon Musk.
Musk's estimate net worth today is more than one hundred
and fifty billion dollars US. He's clearly done very well
inside the price system his grandfather would have railed against.
But Musk has not completely abandoned his technocracy roots. Must

(01:53:10):
doesn't talk about a technique on Earth, but he has
invested billions developing rockets to send people to Mars with
the intent to colonize it. He wants to see a
city of a million people there by twenty fifty. Now,
keep in mind, listeners, the US Space program has astronauts
aboard a space station and they can't get them back.

(01:53:31):
Yet we're talking about colonizing Mars. Anyway. I guess Elon
Musk can accomplish what NASA now cannot, right.

Speaker 14 (01:53:40):
Yeah, that's his vision is a fantasy. I don't know.
I consider that kind of a distraction on Musk. On
Elon's part.

Speaker 13 (01:53:52):
Well, it's lunacy, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:53:56):
I guess there's a fine line between genius and lunacy.

Speaker 13 (01:54:00):
That's what people say.

Speaker 14 (01:54:00):
Anyway, Not all psychopaths and sociopaths druel. Some of them
are perfectly normal looking people. But it's inside their brain
that is.

Speaker 13 (01:54:18):
The questionable activity.

Speaker 14 (01:54:20):
In twenty eight and I think that's what the deal
is with Elon.

Speaker 13 (01:54:25):
Musk, Yeah, they say.

Speaker 12 (01:54:27):
In twenty nineteen, Musk tweeted accelerating starship development to build
the Martian Technology Technocracy, the Martian Technocracy. Most of technocracy incorporated.
Ideas for the technique were neither practical nor achievable, but
they raised at least two important questions that were still
grappling that we're still grappling with today. How should governments

(01:54:49):
respond when large numbers of people lose their jobs to automation,
and how can representative democracy, with all its obvious imperfections,
function effectively in a world where science and technology play
an ever more dominant role. In a speech to an
American audience in nineteen sixty three, Howard Scott, the founder

(01:55:09):
and leader of Technocracy Incorporated, declared that as far as
Technocracy's ideas are concerned, we're so far left that we
make communism look bourgeois.

Speaker 13 (01:55:22):
So there you go.

Speaker 12 (01:55:24):
That hearkens to your comment earlier, Vicky, where you said,
this is just technological communism.

Speaker 14 (01:55:30):
Yes, and a lot of people lost their thousands, tens
of thousands people lost their jobs. When the WTO was
created in nineteen ninety five, because corporations were no longer
anchored to the United States, they could move over to China,

(01:55:54):
for example, manufacturer over there, and then import are free
to the United States. Initially it was through American ports,
but in nineteen ninety five Vincenti Box announced that his
economic development plan was to build ports, two ports in

(01:56:17):
southern Mexico to receive You know, we.

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Gotta like the hey, right, we gotta take the break
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This includes names like Will Thomas, also known as Leah,
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Speaker 40 (02:01:13):
I am one hundred percent behind the Department of Education's letter.
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Back to women.

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The Trump Admin's letters are in line with a recent
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I'm just excited to see that the executive order was
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From FEMA Regions five and ten. This is the third
and final hour of Governor America. It continues to be
the fifteenth of February twenty twenty five. As we get
right back into the show here, Vicky, did you have
something that you wanted to finish up in terms of
your thoughts going into that last break?

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Oh, I'm sure I did, but you don't remember what
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Don't remember what it was?

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Sorry, that's okay.

Speaker 12 (02:05:28):
In the last hour, I was sharing from an article
that was written by CBC News, which strangely enough, is
actually pretty good. But it was talking about the history
of technocracy and Elon Musk's ties to it and how
his grandfather is a part of that. Now that's not
new information for a lot of these listeners in our audience,

(02:05:51):
But I think it's still important to talk about in
light of the fact that Elon has been elevated into
the post where he is right next to Donald Trump
in the Oval office.

Speaker 13 (02:06:01):
Uh, being able.

Speaker 12 (02:06:02):
To enact a lot of these actions and policies under
the guise of government efficiency.

Speaker 13 (02:06:10):
That's the whole point. Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:06:11):
Yeah, it's very efficient to put in technocratic systems to
replace people. We don't want efficient, efficient totalitarianism, Right, That's
that's what we're talking about here.

Speaker 14 (02:06:25):
That is what we're talking about. The Uh. Now, one
thing Trump did do in his first term was that
he got rid of, uh the office that John Holdren
was running for a long time.

Speaker 15 (02:06:44):
You know.

Speaker 14 (02:06:45):
John Holdren was one of those uh crazy climate change people.

Speaker 13 (02:06:52):
You know. See he the guy at the State Department.

Speaker 14 (02:06:56):
Uh No, well, I don't think it was in the
State Department. No, I think it was in the Department
of Commerce. Maybe I can't quite remember which department they
were in. But when they redesigned our whole economy or
our whole country around the idea of interconnected systems, they

(02:07:23):
were basically building a technocratic model of the management of
our country, and that management includes us as people. And
they had a plan for what was called eco regionalism

(02:07:45):
to be able to manage an eco area and everything
in it. Well, you know what we live in the environment.
When they're talking about managing an eco region, they're talking
about managing us.

Speaker 13 (02:08:03):
Managing and controlling absolutely. Yeah, so they say in this article.

Speaker 12 (02:08:08):
They say in a speech to an American audience in
nineteen sixty three, Howard Scott, the founder and leader of
Technocracy Incorporated I read this earlier, declared that as far
as Technocracy's ideas are concerned, we're so far left that
we make communism look bourgeois. That may not be the
most efficient recruiting slogan at the height of the Cold War,

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but Scott wasn't entirely wrong. Technocracy was far from the
only protest movement to emerge from the economic collapse of
the nineteen thirties. Social credit in Alberta and the Cooperative
Commonwealth Federation in Saskatchewan, the forerunner of the NDP, also
attracted a lot of support. Some groups across the political

(02:08:51):
spectrum had ties to European political movements. Some had charismatic
leaders like Huey Long and father Charles Coughlin in the
United States. But technocracy was a uniquely North American movement
that may have been the most radical of them all,
and in the depths of the Great Depression, hundreds of
thousands of Canadians and Americans were prepared to embrace it.

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A Technocracy's ideology defies easy characterization. It was anti capitalist
and anti democratic, but not fascist.

Speaker 13 (02:09:22):
When I would disagree with that.

Speaker 12 (02:09:23):
Actually, I think it is fascist, but that's what they said.
It was anti government, but not libertarian. It believed in
a radical form of social and economic equality, but it
was not Marxist, and I would kind of disagree with
that as well. They might claim they're not Marxist, but

(02:09:44):
when you're achieving those seeing ends anyway.

Speaker 14 (02:09:48):
Yeah, you know what the difference is. The difference is
if you're looking at something from a functional point of view,
which is what technocrats do. They're looking at function and
how can we automate that and take it over that way,
as opposed to coming at something from a political point

(02:10:09):
of view and selling an ideology to the people. Yeah,
but you end up in the same place.

Speaker 12 (02:10:16):
Technocracy rejected all those ideologies because none of them accepted
the idea that science and technology were transforming the North
American life, and that only highly trained engineers and experts
were capable of building a new new North America. While
other political parties and protest groups were taughting plans for

(02:10:37):
putting people back to work technocracy, their response was don't
even bother. The world had changed and jobs destroyed by
machines were not coming back. Before the Industrial Revolution, most
manufacturing was done by hand, and there were never enough
goods to go around. It was an economy based on scarcity.
Now machines could produce more than enough of that everything

(02:11:01):
for everybody with significantly less human labor. But this industrial
system of producing abundance was being stemmied by the price system,
a pre industrial scarcity based construct ill suited to a
world where machines were replacing humans in the workplace. At
the heart of the price system was money. It was forced.

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It was what forced people to go into debt, break
the law, become greedy, and engage in all kinds of
other bad behaviors. But help was on the way. The
march of technocracy, with its increasing abundance, will destroy every
value of the price system, Scott declared in a speech
in Atlanta during a Western Canadian speaking tour in September

(02:11:44):
of nineteen thirty nine, he said, it is a clash
between obsolescence and modernity, between technology and value, between science
and chaos. If all of this sounds familiar, it's because
doomsday scenarios about massive unemployment and social redta social unrest
caused by technological change have been around since at least

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the Industrial Revolution. In the seventeen seventies, when the use
of the spinning jenny became widespread, many weavers who had
been spinning cloth by hand from their homes lost their jobs.
But the spinning jenny made it cheaper to produce cloth,
which meant more people could afford to buy clothes, which
meant many more of them were needed to work in
the factories where the cloth is now being produced. This

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has been the story of technological change up to now.
The jobs that machines have taken, they have invariably given
back in great even greater numbers. The price system has
proven to be much more resilient and adaptable than doomsdairs
like Howard Scott had imagined. But today, as robots and
artificial intelligence make even deeper inroads into our offices and factories.

(02:12:52):
The dooms sayers are back predicting a tsunami of unemployment
that will crash into workplaces like banks and law officers,
which until now have largely resisted automation. They fear this
time the story will in fact be different. According to
a twenty nineteen report by the UK research group Oxford Economics,
around one point seven million jobs have already been lost

(02:13:15):
to robots globally since two thousand. Even the people who
have helped engineer the tsunami are worried. Quote, we are
experiencing the greatest economic and technological shift in human history.
According to Silicon Valley entrepreneur Andrew Yang, during his unlikely
run for the Democratic presidential nomination in twenty twenty, he continued,

(02:13:37):
we need a way to help millions of Americans transition
through this period. Yang's solution was a one thousand dollars
a month universal basic income. Now we've talked a lot
about that being promoted in the thing, thanks, haven't we, VICKI, Yes, and.

Speaker 14 (02:13:52):
They're still talking about it.

Speaker 13 (02:13:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:13:55):
And you know what, I I don't like that idea.
I would like less automation and give jobs, real jobs
to people, because there's no dignity in just the government
sending you a check every month. Well, there's no dignity

(02:14:18):
in it.

Speaker 12 (02:14:18):
I think that this universal exactly and what it's going
to end up doing. And even Elon Musk admits that,
and I think they may even mention that in here
that his purpose. You know, you're connected, your identity is
connected with your work, and it defines your meaning in

(02:14:39):
many cases. And without that, how do people have.

Speaker 13 (02:14:43):
Meaning in life? Find meaning in life without their labor?

Speaker 12 (02:14:47):
So they say at the World Government Summit in Dubai
in twenty seventeen, Elon Musk, who constantly wages war with
agencies trying to regulate his cars and rockets, and whose
plan for fully autonomous vehicles could cost millions of jobs,
I got a story here if we get to it,
if we have time, about Elon Musk's autonomous vehicles wrapping
themselves around polls. But anyway, Elon Musk expressed his support

(02:15:14):
for a guaranteed basic income. He said mass unemployment will
be a massive social challenge, and he says there will
be fewer and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do better.
With automation, will come abundance for Technocracy, schemes like a
universal basic income simply postponed the inevitable, the inevitable day

(02:15:36):
of reckoning for the price system. You can't fumble along
with a system and just patch up the symptoms, said
Tom Mason in a recent phone interview from his home
in Tampa Bay, Florida. Mason is ninety nine years old
and has been involved with Technocracy since the nineteen forties.
He said, politicians today don't want to address the disease.

(02:15:58):
They just want to retreat, want to treat the symptoms,
and you can only patch the symptoms up so far.
For Technocracy, addressing the disease meant doing away with the
price system and the political infrastructure that it supported. They
could provide citizens with far more security, supposedly than any

(02:16:20):
kind of guaranteed basic income. Under the Technate, we will
be responsible for the health and well being of every
human being, Howard Scott declared. That is more than any
political government ever did. Technocracy's plan was to replace the
price system with a basic a system based on energy.
In the nineteen twenties, Scott and his colleagues began a

(02:16:42):
hugely ambitious program called the Energy Survey of North America.
Nineteen twenties. Listeners, This has been going on for a
long time. The idea was to establish a value for
all the goods and services produced on the continent, not
by measuring how much labor was expended or how much
money was spent, but on the amount of energy used

(02:17:05):
to produce them. They would then divide the total amount
of energy used by the number of citizens in the
technque over the age of twenty five, and issue each
of those citizens an equal number of energy certificates, whether
they were employed or not. These certificates would be the
technique's currency. Every time you bought something, some of your

(02:17:28):
energy credits would be deducted. And because the certificates would
be issued directly to the owner, they could be bought, sold, trade.
They could not could not be bought, sold, traded, or stolen.
No one would be able to accumulate more than anyone else.
Sounds pretty communistic, doesn't it.

Speaker 14 (02:17:48):
You know what they did set up a system of
renewable energy credits, but it's hidden in our electric utility system.
And there was one when the Bundy Ranch thing was
going on, and I started to research the issue of

(02:18:10):
BLM basically stealing land from people. I there was a
coal fired power plant for the Moapa Paiute Indian tribe,
something like that, but under the whole clean energy thing,

(02:18:34):
they were shutting that plant down, and Warren Buffett bought
that plant, and I couldn't figure. You know, that's like
buying a dead horse. Why would Warren Buffet buy a
dead horse. Well that's when I found out about the
renewable energy credits system. So all of these and what

(02:18:58):
I ultimately found was that all of these high tech
firms were making a lot of money on these renewable
energy credits because the whole Clinton administration was engaged in
what you could call technocracy, automation of government processes and

(02:19:22):
working with primarily initially the industrial corporations that are the
biggest polluters.

Speaker 12 (02:19:32):
Yeah, it's called reinventing government, and it was reinventing government
both as far as the privatization is concerned, privatizing functions
of government. I believe to make technocracy, to facilitate technocracy
more easily, because, as the caller from California pointed out,
you can't really have this. It's not constitutional. There's nothing

(02:19:55):
constitutional about it. But when you are probably advertising functions
of government, these corporations aren't subject to the constitution. They
should be, well, we shouldn't be having them.

Speaker 14 (02:20:08):
That's the beauty of the public private partnership, right. The
government is limited in what they can do, and corporations
aren't limited until they're regulated to stop something. So between
the two of them, the partnership, they can do anything.
And that's exactly what they're doing.

Speaker 12 (02:20:27):
Yeah, I see the caller, there's a call on the line.
Hang with me just a moment, Color, I want to
try to get through this article real quick.

Speaker 13 (02:20:34):
Before the break and.

Speaker 12 (02:20:35):
The technate, your life wouldn't begin until twenty five.

Speaker 13 (02:20:39):
Once you've joined the labor force.

Speaker 12 (02:20:40):
You'd work sixteen hours a week, you get about seventy
eight days of vacation a year, and you'd retire when
you're forty five. Only a small percentage of adults in
the technque would have jobs, and Scott thought that that
should be a cause for celebration. Most of those hand
tooled jobs were not We're not very good to begin with,

(02:21:02):
so why when they could now be done away with
by machine?

Speaker 10 (02:21:07):
You know what?

Speaker 14 (02:21:07):
That just reminded me of the European system. You remember
how they keep saying that the people there retire at
fifty and you know they get a paycheck for their
after That sounds like what you just described.

Speaker 13 (02:21:24):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So they say that people who people
who value or cling.

Speaker 12 (02:21:32):
To the old fashioned ideas of the value of work
were quote unquote suckers.

Speaker 13 (02:21:36):
One of the lowest social.

Speaker 12 (02:21:37):
Diseases in the belief is the belief in the morality
of work. He told an audience in Calgary, if you
want to know what work has done for you, go
home and look in the mirror and see what a
mess you are. Scott believed that people freed from having
to work for a living and secure in the knowledge
that all the material needs would be taken care of,
would be able to fulfill themselves through the art, recreation, religion,

(02:22:02):
or education, all of which.

Speaker 13 (02:22:03):
Would thrive in the technique.

Speaker 12 (02:22:05):
This idea that people long to be relieved of the
burden of their labor has been a staple of utopian
literature since the nineteenth century, but it ignores some deeper realities.
Speaking to the World Government Summit in twenty seventeen, Musk
acknowledged and I think this is what I made reference
to earlier. Elon Musk acknowledged in twenty seventeen at the

(02:22:27):
World Government Summit that a guaranteed basic income would address
only part of the problem caused by technological unemployment. He said,
the much harder challenges how are people going to have meaning?
A lot of people derive their meaning from their employment.
So if there's no need for your labor, what's your meaning?
Do you feel useless? That's a much harder problem to

(02:22:50):
deal with. Howard Scott was a tireless worker on behalf
of Technocracy Incorporated, an organization he founded and led until
his death in nineteen He spent most of those years
traveling across North America preaching his path to a better world.
A book called Words of Wisdom of Howard Scott, prepared
by a Technocracy chapter after his death, runs to more

(02:23:14):
than two thousand pages. Scott was a polarizing figure, for
better or for worse, He was always the public face
of Technocracy. At six foot five, Scott was an imposing
figure with a deep, resonant voice, aided by a lifetime
of chain smoking cigarettes. In his public interactions, he often
came across as arrogant and condescending.

Speaker 13 (02:23:34):
Why am I not surprised?

Speaker 12 (02:23:36):
But most Technocracy members were captured by his intelligence, charisma,
and ability to reel off facts and figures about global
industrial production. He was on a different plane than regular people,
recalls longtime Technocracy member Ad Bletsmith in a recent interview
from his home in Pennsylvania. Bletdsmith said Scott, who he

(02:23:59):
first met in then nineteen sixties, would talk and explain
things and smile and be friendly, but if you asked
him a question, he would immediately spout off twenty minutes
of something you couldn't even understand. Scott was also a
savvy marketer with a flair for the dramatic. He liked
to stage what he called symbolizations. These were spectacles designed

(02:24:19):
to show the wider world of that Technocracy was a
force to be reckoned with. The largest symbolization took place
in June nineteen forty seven. It was called Operation Columbia
and involved a motorcade of hundreds of cars that proceeded
up the west coast of the US into a British
into British Columbia, where Scott delivered a speech to a
capacity crowd of five thousand people at the Vancouver Forum.

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In its public outings, Technocracy Incorporated had an oddly materialistic
militaristic look. Its members, both men and women, were tailor
wore tailor grade suits, drove cars that were also painted gray.
They greeted each other with salutes. To Scott's critic, which
included many of his former allies, the uniforms and salutes

(02:25:04):
were evidence of a penchant towards authoritarianism. They considered him
to be an egotistical blowhard. In fact, he appears to
have seriously inflated his resume, falsely claiming to have an
academic degree and work experience as an engineer. That last
point mattered because in the technique, engineers and others would

(02:25:25):
be in charge. Technocracy believed that in a world that
he revolved around science and technology, only people with proven
expertise in those areas should be responsible for its governance.
That included all the usual suspects business people, lawyers, bankers, academics,
none of whom had the practical skills. The modern age

(02:25:45):
demanded those who created a civilization and event will eventually
dominate it, Scott proclaimed in a speech in Winnipeg. He said,
the engineers and mechanics created this civilization, and we will
eventually dominate it. Was building a technological army of the
functionally competent. This meant that there would be no room

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and no need for democracy. All the normal functions of government, education, health, sanitation,
public safety would be run by experts chosen by their peers.
Doctors would vote for the person in charge of the
health care system, teachers for the person who'd run for
the schools, and so on.

Speaker 13 (02:26:23):
All right, I'll tell you what. I'm almost at the break.
There's like I'm at the last two paragraphs of this article.
Actually I'm not.

Speaker 12 (02:26:32):
There's more to it, but I will I think leave
that there for now in the interest of time. Sorry
to read so much, but I think this is a
very very important article in light of everything that we're
experiencing today with the i think transformation of government and
in the imposition of technocratic governance. Anyway, we got the

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Speaker 12 (02:31:06):
When the final half hour of the show here today
six ten, six hundred seventeen seventy six. If you have
anything you'd like to add, Sorry to read so much,
but I thought that was a very important article. I
think the and there was more to it. The whole
thing will be in the show notes for your perusal.
I highly encourage you to check it out. Let's go
ahead and go to the phones now, Hello caller in California,

(02:31:29):
you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (02:31:29):
Go ahead, please, Hi.

Speaker 42 (02:31:32):
I'm glad you read that article. It was very good
and I think it is very important to follow up
on stuff like that.

Speaker 18 (02:31:38):
Yeah, went into.

Speaker 42 (02:31:39):
First hit up a little bit on the global health
that Vicky talked about. Thing that flew under the radar.
While Trump is doing his Cloward and Pivens act with
pushing through a lot of stuff all at the same time,
you can't keep up was he appointed a doctor Gerald
Parker to head of the Pandemic prepared and Response Policy

(02:32:02):
office that Biden created and he is part of One
Health and this is part.

Speaker 13 (02:32:08):
Of you who can you repeat that? I heard what
you said.

Speaker 12 (02:32:14):
I just want to make sure everybody else did. That
was very important what you just said. Yes, Trump just appointed.

Speaker 42 (02:32:23):
Doctor Gerald Parker had a pandemic Preparedness and response policy
to what's created by Biden, and doctor Parker is part
of the One Health initiatives. That is part of the
who yep H.

Speaker 14 (02:32:43):
And the idea of one Health that's uh overseeing the
health of plants, animals, and people.

Speaker 13 (02:32:54):
It's connecting human health with that of the environment.

Speaker 14 (02:32:57):
Right, which goes which goes along with the management of
eco regions, the public health system, the Department of Energy,
and the public health system is the way that they're
going at our healthcare system. Public health is a function

(02:33:23):
of the environment.

Speaker 13 (02:33:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:33:26):
And what you just described there color is exactly what
I was concerned about when the Trump administration first started.
We started seeing all these executive orders and all this
noise coming out of the White House that you couldn't
keep track of it all. And I said, you got
to be careful of being drawn in by all of
the good that you're seeing, because somewhere you're going to

(02:33:49):
see the tip of the spear in your back. And
I think that this is exactly what we're seeing now
with you know, appointing people who are connected with one health.

Speaker 13 (02:34:01):
Two key agencies.

Speaker 14 (02:34:02):
That's a UN by the way, absolute who.

Speaker 12 (02:34:06):
Absolutely so they'll make a lot of noise about undoing
certain things, defunding the World Health Organization, and then he
turns around and does something like this, like when he.

Speaker 42 (02:34:18):
Supposedly did it the first time, but then gave Bill
Gates one point four billion dollars to Gevy, which funds
the WHO.

Speaker 10 (02:34:25):
Yeah, uh huh.

Speaker 42 (02:34:26):
In twenty twenty. That was in twenty twenty.

Speaker 13 (02:34:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:34:30):
Can I just never ever take seriously when they say
they're getting out of a UN agency, because that means
they're just taking it off the radar?

Speaker 13 (02:34:42):
Yeah, exactly what were you going to say? Their color?

Speaker 42 (02:34:45):
Can I just hit a little bit on sort of
the process that Trump is doing and how it connects
to Musk and his other technocrafts into some of the
what you were talking about with the article, There is
a Curtis Jarvon y a r v N, who is
another techno guy, and he has this method that is

(02:35:09):
very much aligned with he's, is very favored by Musk,
by Peter Keel, by Mark Andriesen, by all the technocrats
that Trump is surrounding himself with. And it's a way
of transforming government into a monarchy what he calls a monarchy.
Some people call it a dictatorship, but Yarvon calls it

(02:35:30):
a monarchy. And a lot of the way that Trump
is doing things is the process that Jarvon describes as
getting to this process. And in a talk that in
twenty twenty two that Jarvon had with a Michael Anton,
which was in Trump's first administration and in the current administration,

(02:35:53):
or Jarron talks about Musk being got in and hitting
all the government agencies and taking him apart and just
going wild and doing it so fast. So he incorporates
the cloud Pippens Uh strategy of doing it so fast
that you're overwhelmed and you can't keep up. And this
is what and when Trump had said during his campaign,

(02:36:18):
Christians vote, you will never have to do it again. Uh, well,
it's going to be fixed. I went, Oh, my gosh,
is this what Jarvon was talking about and now that
Trump is doing so much of what Yarvon describes to
be done to transform and it's a monarchy. And then

(02:36:38):
it's also putting the technocrafts in charge. Yeah, and they're there.
They consider themselves a ruling class. And I think that
people are not seeing they're so enamored by Trump and Musk,
who is a griffer. I mean he's made billions off
of taxpayers and he never says that.

Speaker 13 (02:37:01):
Yeah. Yeah, the article you know, pointed it out.

Speaker 12 (02:37:04):
You know that they want to eliminate the pricing system,
you know, the basically the monetary system that we currently
have as we know it. And yet he's done very
well under that pricing system.

Speaker 14 (02:37:18):
Yeah, they will be able to do that once they have,
once they convert to cryptocurrency, then you'll be at their mercy,
you know, because they can just turn you off.

Speaker 42 (02:37:32):
Well, you know, step is eliminating a penny, that's being
done good point. You eliminates the pennies and the nickels
and the dime and then all money. And in COVID
when we were doin all that insanity, there was the
paper money was dirty. Change was dirty, there was a
change shortage almost seems like it was a setup for now.

Speaker 12 (02:37:52):
Well, they prior to that, if you recall, they were
talking about money funding terrorism and cash was illicit because
it supported rorism without any right, you know, without them
being able to see into it, where the money was
going and all of that. That was the argument back then,
twenty years ago. So yeah, they've had different arguments to

(02:38:13):
villainize cash. And so ultimately what they want to do
is make it to the point where we have no
anonymity whatsoever in our financial transactions.

Speaker 14 (02:38:25):
Yes, because they're making everybody an object within their computer
system for you to for them to be able to
manage your life as part of that eco region strategy,
making you no different than a bear or an elk

(02:38:47):
or you know, you're just one of the animals to
be managed.

Speaker 12 (02:38:52):
Yeah, Prester John in the shatroom says United Nations headquarters
and is in New York, just up the road from
the West the World Quarters in Washington, d C. Trump
can't get out of the UN. He's in the hot
seat of the main country that created the UN.

Speaker 14 (02:39:09):
And I think it was a Rockefeller creation.

Speaker 12 (02:39:12):
By the way, Well, they donated the land, didn't they
They donated the land where the headquarters building was is.

Speaker 14 (02:39:19):
Yes, they donated the land and I just recently found
something else. But there there were like three groups, the
Carnegie Foundation, which is Andrew Carnegie, the Rockefeller family, and

(02:39:41):
oh Ford Foundation Ford Foundation, the Ford family and those
three foundations. They really are the brains behind our government,
behind this scientific dictatorship. And I really do believe that
our country was ruptured by the cult of these three

(02:40:05):
big foundations. Plus IBM, IBM and the Well. IBM was
instrumental in setting up a business man's group over in
Europe in nineteen oh five and they actually signed an

(02:40:26):
agreement with the Carnegie Foundation. So what these foundations do
is the social engineering. Absolutely yeah. And whenever if you
understand what the agenda is underlying the surface, then you
can see right through all of the dialectics that they

(02:40:49):
use to put the ideas and thoughts in people's heads
of things that need to change, you know, which they
need to change in order to fit the technocratic plant.

Speaker 12 (02:41:05):
And media propaganda. Yes, certainly is the technocratics mouthpiece.

Speaker 13 (02:41:11):
Hey, color you everything else?

Speaker 42 (02:41:14):
Just one last thing that on the thirteenth, when Kennedy
was signed in or sworn in, Trump signed an executive
order or something about children's health. And within it, there's
a couple of things to sort of look for because
it starts out there's nothing about vaccines. Nothing in there
about vaccines. Everything's about problem health from everything else. But

(02:41:36):
it starts out that they're using numbers of pre COVID.
In the very first sentence and then the last sentence
of section one, it talks about ways to protect the
scientists from the naysayers and misinformation, those spreading misinformation. So

(02:41:58):
it sort of sounds like they took a little bit
out of people that didn't want to join in with
all of the falsehoods of the Gauci and others were
pushing on the code stuff, and they will go after dissidence.

Speaker 14 (02:42:13):
Well, RFK is an environmental lawyer, so keep that in mind.

Speaker 12 (02:42:19):
And historically he was a lunatic. I mean, if you
go back and do his environmental activism days, he was
calling for the as I recall, jailing people if they
didn't go along with his climate change agenda.

Speaker 13 (02:42:33):
It's insane what he was promoting.

Speaker 12 (02:42:35):
Now, you know, I don't know if he's ever come
back and reverse that or not, but that's pretty radical, right.

Speaker 14 (02:42:44):
Well, the climate change agenda is the way that they've
captured our environment and by definition, the way that they've
captured us.

Speaker 13 (02:42:54):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 12 (02:42:55):
Hey, thank you caller. I appreciate it. Okay, Oops, didn't
mean to cut you off there. Let's go out to
Utah now as the show is winding down.

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Speaker 14 (02:43:59):
Yes, that's important when you think about the poor and
how they don't have work, they're not going to have
work in the future, and then you look at what
they're doing with the healthcare system and genetic research and

(02:44:19):
all that stuff. This is, in my opinion, what they're doing,
is that they're going to monetize the poor. You know,
they don't care about poor people. Poor people are overhead burden,
and so you know, why not monetize them, use them

(02:44:39):
for something. And that's and that sounds brutal and cold,
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Speaker 13 (02:44:47):
By monetizing the poor. What do you mean exactly what
would that entail?

Speaker 14 (02:44:52):
Using them for medical research? This morning on the c SPAN,
they had a segment on these community health clinics, and
I would suggest that people go listen to that. Community
health is something that was set up. It's like a

(02:45:15):
charity program for health care for people that don't have
access to healthcare supposedly, and so, yeah, go find that
and listen to it, listen to what they're saying about it,
because that's what I believe they're doing. They're monetizing poor people.

Speaker 12 (02:45:39):
Yeah, we have fourteen states are suing a doge to
block Doge from uncovering government abuses and slashing waste. I
have no problem with them uncovering abuses and slashing waste.
But again that's the marketing to get you involved, get
you roped into supporting the agenda, which is much much darker.

Speaker 14 (02:46:01):
All right, The agenda is not for your benefit.

Speaker 12 (02:46:04):
There's also an article what is the mainstream media missing
about Elon Musk? He is instituting technocracy. That's from Common
Dreams dot Org. I will put that in the show
notes as well for those that are interested, and hopefully
that's everybody in the audience.

Speaker 13 (02:46:22):
I mentioned earlier.

Speaker 12 (02:46:23):
Autoblog has an article who was just out a few
days ago?

Speaker 13 (02:46:28):
A cyber truck.

Speaker 12 (02:46:29):
A Florida man recently shared an image on social media
showing his cyber truck crashed headfirst into a light pole.

Speaker 13 (02:46:37):
The image is grist for the.

Speaker 12 (02:46:38):
Mill of cyber truck haters, but there's a more profound concern.
The vehicle did this to itself. The driver used Tesla's
self driving mode, which handles the vehicle's basic functionality like
steering and braking. Unfortunately, the driver wasn't paying attention and
the rest is history. So you know, I think at
this point they would say, that's they call it driver assist,

(02:47:02):
you know, and you're supposed to be paying attention. But
you know, none of these systems are perfect and they
never will be. Despite what they say, none of these
systems will ever be perfect. And so the same systems,
same types of systems will be managing how you live
and maybe someday whether you live.

Speaker 13 (02:47:23):
There's a dark thought for you.

Speaker 14 (02:47:26):
Well, that's what I've been trying.

Speaker 13 (02:47:27):
That's the healthcare system. Yep.

Speaker 12 (02:47:31):
Here we see from CNN forty one percent of companies
worldwide plan to reduce their workforces by twenty thirty due
to AI. Dateline London, Artificial intelligence is coming for your job,
CNN says forty one percent of workers. Forty one percent
of employers intend to downsize their workforce as AI automates

(02:47:53):
certain tasks. A World Economic Forum survey showed Wednesday, out
of hundreds of large companies surveyed around the world, seventy
seven percent also said that they were planning to rescale
an upscale they're existing workers between twenty twenty five and
twenty thirty to better work alongside AI. According to findings

(02:48:15):
published in the World Economic Forum's Future of Jobs Report,
but unlike the previous twenty twenty three edition, this year's
report did not say that most technologies, including AI were
expected to be a net positive for job numbers.

Speaker 14 (02:48:31):
Yeah, reskill or upscale, that's just a smoke screen. The
fact is that to work with technology on the development side,
any part of it on the development side, there is
an IQ floor. And anybody that can't get a job

(02:48:53):
now probably doesn't have the capacity to work in this
high tech area. I'm sorry about that. Sorry to be
blunt about that, but it's fact. Yeah, And so I
would tend to not believe that those corporations that are

(02:49:17):
saying that if they're going to be laying people off,
they're not going to reschool or retool them for anything.
It's just, you know, you just join the ranks of
the permanently structurally unemployed.

Speaker 15 (02:49:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:49:34):
In the leaning moments of the broadcast, I just want
to note a couple of stories here. Also, you remember Chernobyl,
that your Nobile nuclear power plant. There are allegations now
that Russia has attacked Chernobyl. Now I don't know if
this is true or not, but that's what is being alleged,

(02:49:55):
A blast that was caused by an overnight fire. And
this is data just yesterday, so this is real. Fresh
was reported at the new safe confinement, a dome located
in northern Ukraine. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky revealed that a
Russian attack drone recently struck a shelter designed to protect

(02:50:19):
the world from radiation at the destroyed fourth reactor at
the Chernobyl Nuclear power Plant. And now he's saying that
the significant damage has been done to this dome currently,
he says, he claims that there's not a heightened level
of radiation. I think, pardon my skepticism, but I know

(02:50:44):
in the past, and I'm not a putent apologist or
anything like that, as many might accuse me of being.
But I know for a fact that Russia has been
accused of many things that it did not do in
the past. So these claims I think are sometimes dubious,

(02:51:04):
and uh, I would just take it with.

Speaker 13 (02:51:06):
A grain of salt. But anyway, that's what's being being alleged, sorry, folks.

Speaker 12 (02:51:15):
Uh So, anyway, just just for something something for people
to keep in mind.

Speaker 13 (02:51:20):
That's something that's going on at the present time. Other things.

Speaker 14 (02:51:26):
It isn't just our government that does dialectics. Dialectics are
are good for any any policy that our government or
their government wants to wants to do. Dialectics work the same.

(02:51:48):
It's kind of like country neutral, you know.

Speaker 13 (02:51:51):
Yeah. Zelenski is not a He's not a good person.
His wife isn't a good person.

Speaker 12 (02:51:56):
None of these people are good peoples. As hundreds of Indians, thousands,
thousands of them were dying.

Speaker 13 (02:52:03):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:52:04):
The dictator's wife, Elena Zelenski, she took a trip to
Saint Maritz for a skiing johant with their children.

Speaker 13 (02:52:12):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:52:12):
And you know this is going on at the time
when the United States is giving them untold billions of
dollars and here she is going off on on skiing johnts.

Speaker 13 (02:52:23):
You know.

Speaker 12 (02:52:24):
Uh, hey, there's a war on. Well, a good time
to get out of dodge then and go on vacation.

Speaker 14 (02:52:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (02:52:31):
So anyway, Uh, much ado has been made. Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:52:36):
And by the way, this this nuclear attack, this attack
on this nuclear Chernobyl facility, strangely enough, came right on
the heels of a presidential President Trump's call with Putin.
He's trying to end the war, at least that's what
he says. And you know, maybe he is, Uh, they.

Speaker 13 (02:52:55):
Had a phone call. He had a phone call with
Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 12 (02:52:59):
Maybe he's use I thought did a relatively balanced piece
on the call.

Speaker 38 (02:53:03):
President Trump just posted on social media about having a
lengthy phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin. What can
you tell us what sticks out to you about that conversation?

Speaker 44 (02:53:11):
Really, Trump layed all of his cards out on the table.
He laid out a laundry list of things they talked about,
the war in Ukraine, artificial intelligence in the Middle East, and yes,
Mark Fogel, that prisoner who came home last night, And
really he said, he's not done working the phones. Now
he's going to pick up his phone and call Ukrainian
President Zelensky and fill him in on everything they discussed.

(02:53:35):
So all in all of this is really indicative of
a broader diplomatic thought between Russia and the US. But
this is also going to raise a lot of red
flags for supporters of Ukraine who think the Trump administration
may put pressure on Kiev to agree to unfair terms
to end the war, which of course was started by
Russia's invasion.

Speaker 12 (02:53:54):
Actually it was started by NATO on their doorstep. That's
what was started by. It was started by the Torria
Newland in the state Hillary Clinton State Department overthrowing the
democratically elected government of Victor Yanikovich and installing their own
puppet leader.

Speaker 13 (02:54:10):
That's what it was started by. It was started by.

Speaker 12 (02:54:14):
Hostilities towards Russia by foreign militaries, and it was started
by those puppet leaders that were installed by the US
State Department shelling the Dune Bass over the course of
many years and killing a lot of people there.

Speaker 13 (02:54:33):
That's what it was started by. So let's get the
facts straight.

Speaker 12 (02:54:36):
I said it was a relatively balanced piece, Eh, it
really wasn't.

Speaker 6 (02:54:39):
Now.

Speaker 38 (02:54:39):
States parton officials say that this isn't the first time
the US has offered to include Alexander Vinnick in a
trade with Russia.

Speaker 21 (02:54:45):
So what makes this time different?

Speaker 13 (02:54:48):
That's right.

Speaker 44 (02:54:48):
State Department officials who've been working on this across administrations
say that it seems likely that's what's changed here. Really,
it's not so much the offer on the table, but
the no one's calculus the circumstances that it's very possible
Russia's senses with Trump in the White House, they might
be able to get a better deal going forward on

(02:55:10):
the war with Ukraine and other matters. So that's going
to be something to watch very closely, because even though
it is typical, Diane, that when these delicate negotiations are happening,
US officials often don't say much because they don't want
to jeopardize a potential deal. Usually there's a little more
clarity after the fact. And we still don't have that

(02:55:31):
right now.

Speaker 13 (02:55:31):
Okay, let's cut it there. Beware of false flags.

Speaker 12 (02:55:35):
If Trump really is trying to end the war, there
could very well be other false flag operations. I'm not
saying this Chernobyl thing was a false flag. I don't know,
but that's what we need to be aware of, is
things that could be blamed on Russia because there's a
lot of people with a stake at continuing the military
industrial complex war profiteering.

Speaker 13 (02:55:54):
So that's something to keep in mind. We got to go.
We're out of time. I don't know what we're going
to do next week.

Speaker 12 (02:55:59):
We might pre record a show, but I have convention
and I will We'll talk to you next week in
some form or the other, probably in a pre recorded fashion. Hey,
thank you, Vicky, Thank you listeners. Appreciate everybody and join
us back here next week. God bless you folks, and
we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 14 (02:56:16):
Thank you, Darren, thank you everybody

Speaker 18 (02:56:18):
Thank you SA

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