Govern America | July 26, 2025 | The Treason Club - Govern America

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves
and for future generations, a new.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
World order, new world order, new world order.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
This is a moment to cease. The kaleidoscope has been shaken.
The pieces are in flux. Soon they will settle again.
Before they do, let us re order this world around.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Us, a new world order, a world where the United
Nations is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders.

Speaker 5 (00:27):
Nevertheless, United Dated in a key position to shape is
so that the problem of the Trench identity will be
the emergence of a new international order.

Speaker 6 (00:39):
The first decade of the twenty first century.

Speaker 7 (00:42):
But out of what is will be feared the greatest
restructuring of the global economy, greatest restructuring of the global economy,
greatest restructuring of the global economy.

Speaker 6 (00:52):
A new world order was.

Speaker 8 (00:53):
Created, documenting the crisis of our rebelty.

Speaker 9 (00:58):
The very word secret repugnant in a free and open society.
And we are as a people inherently and historically opposed
to secret societies, the secret oaths and a secret proceedings.

Speaker 10 (01:13):
Waging war on the new world order.

Speaker 6 (01:15):
The councils of government.

Speaker 11 (01:17):
We must guard again the acquisition of unwarnanted influence, whether
sought or unsought, by the military industrial conflict.

Speaker 8 (01:27):
This is Governor America with Darren Weeks and Vicky Davis.

Speaker 12 (01:45):
From FEMER Regions five to ten. This is Governed America.
Ivicky gave us this here. I'm during Weeks. It is
the twenty sixth of July now twenty twenty five. Nice
to have you with us once again. Ladies and gentlemen.
We have a cram pack program for you. In the
second hour, we're going to be visiting with a gentleman
who is going to be talking to us about the
Epstein affair. He's going to update us on this and

(02:08):
the latest about this whole scandal that's a I think
ever growing even though the administration is trying to extinguish
it and distract with other things, some of which are important,
others maybe not so much. But we'll get a take
from Pete Shen starting in the second hour, and then

(02:28):
later on in the third hour, Tom Dewis the American
Policy Center is back and we're gonna be talking more
about sustainable development programs, Damn removal probably will come up,
and a lot of other things. So lots to do.
We have the first hour with Vicky and myself. Good morning, Vicky,
Good morning. Yeah, you know, it's been a busy, busy

(02:52):
week here at my end. I you know, think folks
out there know that my wife's passed away not too
long ago, and she is executor of the will, and
I have been in the process of helping her try
to get a handle on this probate process. Now. I
don't know anybody who maybe out there has ever gone

(03:14):
through a probate process, but it can be a very
grueling and difficult process to go through. And we're dealing
with an attorney, and we're also dealing with a number
of issues, not the least of which is trying to
place a value on the estate, different components of the estate.

(03:37):
My wife's father was a big time hillbilly. He loved
his old cars. Not that everybody who loves old cars
is a hillbilly, but he enjoyed his cars. And that's
perfectly fine. But unfortunately they're scattered all over the property
and have been abandoned out there really since before I
dated Michelle. That I have now been married to Michelle

(04:03):
for thirty two years, so these cars have been out
there ever since the first time I ever came out
here in this area, and so we're supposed to get
values on them. Now, not all of them are like that,
but there's a good number of them that are abandoned

(04:27):
in the woods. He's got some valuable cars which he
has in the barn. Those aren't the problem other than
the fact that they're packed in there like sardines to
the point where you almost can't even walk through there.
In that case, I've, thankfully, yesterday made a breakthrough and
we made a deal. You know the old saying, it's
who you know that matters. Michelle happened to know somebody

(04:51):
at the local towing company that is able to cut
us a real good deal on pulling all of those
cars out. So the appraiser, who is a friend of
somebody that I work with, thankfully, is going to be
able to appraise them. So that's one of the things

(05:13):
that we worked on yesterday. But then going through and
trying to deal with these cars that are out in
the woods abandoned. Some of them are in a front
part of the property as well, which is not very accessible.
I mean we're talking waist high weeds that I had

(05:36):
to wade through yesterday and just to just to try
to find them. I don't even know what's out there,
and I did know. I did happen to discover a
bee's nest, however, when I raised the hood of one
of the cars and they discovered bee. So this was

(05:57):
this was my yesterday. And we ran around all day
yesterday and got back here late and I just went
to bed and got up this early this morning to
do show prep. Uh So, uh, it's been a fun week, nonetheless,
and you know next week is going to be more
of a similar type of thing. We're just we're just
really looking forward to getting through this process. I bet

(06:20):
getting it, getting it over with, putting a nail in it,
so to speak, as you know, a fork in it.
It's done, whatever metaphor you want to use. But uh,
but enough about my woes. How was your week, Vicky?

Speaker 13 (06:37):
Pretty intense actually, because I've been going back over my research,
trying to put together a subject index, and of course,
you know, while I'm doing that, I find interesting things
that I forgot I had, and then I pursue that

(06:59):
for a while, and then I try to get back
to my list that I was making, and so I
haven't really gotten anywhere. I'm just kind of like going
in a circle.

Speaker 12 (07:12):
Wow. Yeah, that's uh, that's a very frustrating thing when
you're doing doing research, attempting to do those things and
you seemingly are getting nowhere.

Speaker 13 (07:24):
But one thing that I've been really looking at is
the Helsinki Commission. And you know, I've known about which
is what they call the G seven and and I've
been so I've known about the G seven for a

(07:45):
long time. But in putting together my list of things,
I really looked at the law that created the commission.
It's actually a commiss comprised of members of Congress and
the Senate. And I was thinking about that. Is that legal?

(08:11):
Is that constitutional for members of Congress to be members
of an external commission that was established to work cooperatively

(08:32):
with the communist nation states of the Soviet Union and
the East German Republic? And is that legal? Is that constitutional?
I don't see how it can be.

Speaker 12 (08:49):
Well, it's certainly a conflict of interest. And it's just
like the Secretary of the Treasury is the US governor
to the International Monetary Fund. So basically the Treasury Secretary
is a double agent. They're working for the world system
and they're working for the US system so well, and that.

Speaker 13 (09:07):
These senators and congressmen are for this Helsinki Commission m Yeah,
agents embedded in our congress.

Speaker 12 (09:21):
It should not be allowed because they have dual loyalty
and so many things are like that in our day
and age. You know, we have a situation right now.
It was announced on the twenty second of this week
from the State Department. There are some good things that
do happen, and this is one of those. I would

(09:43):
put in the good department that the United States formally
is withdrawing from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization.

Speaker 13 (09:54):
Yes, that's very good.

Speaker 12 (09:56):
That was announced, as I said June twenty second, is
the release from the State Department. Said today again June
twenty second, the United States informed Director Director General Audre A.
Zula of the United States decision to withdraw from UNESCO.
Continued involvement in UNESCO is not in the national interest

(10:17):
of the United States. UNESCO works to advance a divisive
social and cultural causes and maintains an outsized focused on
the United Nations sustainable development goals, a globalist ideological agenda
for international development at odds with our America First foreign policy,
but you know what's interesting about this, and they're right,

(10:39):
it is at odds with foreign and domestic policy. At
least it should be, because we shouldn't have a foreign
or domestic policy that is in line with the United
Nations sustainable development goals, because the World system, ladies and gentlemen,
you know the thing is is they would put forth
these sustains development goals as as a laudable thing. Oh,

(11:04):
eradicating poverty. Who doesn't want to do that, right, I
mean that's how they couch everything. But the overwriting agenda
is to put the UN in charge of every aspect
of your life.

Speaker 13 (11:16):
Right, That's the ultimate goal is for the UN to
be the world governing system.

Speaker 12 (11:23):
Yeah. And the more UN you do, how much of
the how many of these problems actually disappear? No, we
get exactly the opposite the more we're involved in their system.

Speaker 13 (11:35):
I think we should get out of the UN in
it's in totality.

Speaker 12 (11:40):
M hmm.

Speaker 13 (11:40):
I'd like to see the UN brought down.

Speaker 12 (11:43):
Yeah, and and and by the way, why don't we
get out of NATO? But we're not going to do
it as long as the Trump administration is pushing more
funding for NATO and We're not going to get out
of sustainable development as long as the Trump administration is
touting freedom cities, which are just another naming of sustainable

(12:09):
development cities, sustainable cities so called. Yeah, whatever you call it.

Speaker 13 (12:15):
You know, it's what it is. It's IBM's smart cities.

Speaker 12 (12:21):
Well, whether it's IBM or whatever else, I mean, did
IBM design these.

Speaker 13 (12:28):
They designed the technology form the it's the full boat
surveillance systems, you know, the electricity, the the hospital is
part of it. I've got a diagram of a smart city.

Speaker 12 (12:46):
And by the way, Elon Musk is promoting this too,
so as much as much.

Speaker 13 (12:52):
There's been a full, full blown, full boat technocratic takeover
of our society. You think you're a free person, you're not.

Speaker 12 (13:05):
You.

Speaker 13 (13:05):
You walk down the street and you think you know,
nobody's paying attention to you, but there are cameras focused
on you, just like they are in communists.

Speaker 12 (13:16):
China and getting more all the time.

Speaker 13 (13:18):
Yes, yeah, yeah. We live in a police state like
the Stazzi police state of East Germany, where they're watching
you all the time and if you don't behave yourself,
they will take you out of the systems.

Speaker 12 (13:36):
Buffalo, Springfield step out of line, the man comes and
takes you away. Essentially, you manage that song pertinent today.

Speaker 14 (13:44):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 12 (13:46):
I mean he was really ahead of his time. But
you know this is toutalitarianism.

Speaker 13 (13:50):
Well, so many years trying to get people to focus
on these systems and understand these systems because they are
control systems. Yeah, they will control now. They've had to
phase it in obviously because the implementation of this technocratic

(14:14):
system began around nineteen ninety when George Herbert Walker Bush
was president. But you know, we're what thirty years down
the road. By fifty years down the road, you won't
be able to sneeze without it being recorded and you

(14:38):
can be made a non person through these systems.

Speaker 12 (14:45):
Yep, exactly. So finishing up this press release from the
State Department, they say UNESCO works to advance divisive social
and cultural causes. It maintains an outsized focus on the
United Nations Sustainable development goals, a globalist ideological agenda for
international development. At odds with our America First foreign policy.

(15:08):
UNESCO's decisive or I'm sorry UNESCO's decision to admit the
State of Palestine Palestine as a member state is highly problematic. Well,
why is that highly problematic? You know, does do the people?
You know, the other side likes to talk a lot
about Well, I say, the other side. Really it's conservatives,

(15:34):
Conservatives and Israel who are pretty much Siamese twins joined
at the hip most of the time. I look forward
to a day when that's not the case. I look
forward to a day when conservatives will develop some critical
thinking on this issue. Now, there are many issues that

(15:55):
conservatives do have critical thinking on, and there are many
issues that the left doesn't. But this is one of
those issues that Israel can do no wrong, and there
is no critical thinking on that subject. There's no compromise
or objective objectivity on that subject.

Speaker 13 (16:18):
I don't know if you remember or not, but I
did an article called the World Reconstruction, and I have
a quote from the wartime British ambassador to the United
States in nineteen thirty eight, and he said in his speech,

(16:41):
he said, the anarchy of multitudinous national sovereignties is about
to dissolve. The world is going to fall into four
or five main political economic groups, each in great measures,
self supporting, each under the great leadership, under the leadership

(17:05):
of great state equipped with modern military and air power. Okay,
so you look at the organization of the UN, what
is it, China, United States, Soviet Union, and then the
two colonial powers Britain and France. So all these years,

(17:27):
you know, since probably before nineteen thirty eight, but that's
when Lord Lothian gave the speech in the United States
saying that that's what the plan was, is for the
world to be ruled by these mega states. Yeah, that's

(17:48):
why they've been dissolving our border.

Speaker 12 (17:51):
Right exactly, yeah, exactly, And regionalism comes into play in
a major way cross border governance, and the beat goes on.
They say about the state of Palestine being a member state,
being admitted as highly problematic, can contrary to US policy

(18:14):
and contributed to the proliferation of anti Israel rhetoric within
the organization. So we can't criticize Israel, you know, speaking
of regionalism, there is a region that's in full bloom,
full development because Israel's taken over the entire Middle East
and swallowing up its neighbors. Oh, they have the right

(18:35):
to exist, Well, what about everybody else? That's the question.

Speaker 13 (18:40):
Well, you know who's side the UN is on Palestine?

Speaker 12 (18:46):
Well, and therein lies the dialectic, isn't it Yep? Because
everything is pushed into a nice tidy package. You're either
on one side or the other. There can't be any middle,
there can't be in between. You have to pick sides
and it's all one way or the other.

Speaker 13 (19:06):
Well, that's the way systems engineers think. Everything has to
be defined within a manageable unit. And that's who really
is behind the engineering of the world. Are systems engineers

(19:27):
working at the global state looking at the logical organization
as they see it. They don't care about cultures and
languages and traditions and history. They care about logical organization.

Speaker 12 (19:45):
So the State Department just finishing this up. Continued US
participation in international organizations will focus on advancing American interests
with clarity and conviction. Pursue it to Article two, paragraph
six Guess of the UNESCO Constitution. US withdrawal will take
effect on December thirty first, twenty twenty six. The United

(20:08):
States will remain why do we have to do things
pursuant to UNESCO Constitution? By the way, you know, are
we a sovereign country or not?

Speaker 13 (20:18):
Well, I would say at this point, no pull out.

Speaker 12 (20:22):
That's what I say, pull out immediately. We don't have
to follow their constitution. Let's follow ours. Pull out immediately.
But they don't. They're gonna wait until December thirty first,
twenty twenty six, so a full year and what year
and a half away? The United States will remain a
full member of UNESCO until that time, it says, So

(20:45):
there you go, pulling out of UNESCO, but for the
wrong reasons. Apparently are some of the wrong reasons. Anyway,
just once, I would like to us to come down
on the right side of everything. You know, I guess
you can't have everything.

Speaker 13 (21:00):
But well, our government doesn't work for us. Our government
works for the international system.

Speaker 12 (21:07):
And have we really been has anything done with UNESCO
been ratified? Has our involvement in UNESCO been ratified by
the Senate?

Speaker 13 (21:19):
Well a long time ago. Yeah, that was part of
the creation of the United Nations. It was created just
right after the United Nations was created, and we were
in UNESCO. And then in the nineteen sixties people realized

(21:39):
that UNESCO was a communist organization. They got us out
of it. And who brought us back in George W. Bush.

Speaker 12 (21:50):
So, So my question is if it's been you know, ratified.
Does Trump even have the authority to pull us out unilaterally?
Or is this just another smoke and mirrors type of situation,
because according to Perplexity, yes, the US involvement in UNESCO

(22:11):
has been ratified in the Senate. Specifically, when the United
States joined in the nineteen seventy two UNESCO World Heritage Convention,
the Senate unanimously provided advice and consent to ratification of
the Convention in nineteen seventy three. This ratification, which is
a requirement for US participation in UNESCO's principal treaties, established

(22:32):
the legal foundation for US membership. However, recent changes to
US participations, such as withdrawal or re entry, are executive
actions that do not require a new Senate ratification. Oh okay,
since the original treaty remains ratified and in force unless
the Senate specifically acts to revoke consent. Let me read

(22:54):
that again.

Speaker 13 (22:55):
Yeah, that's a really bad way to do things that It's.

Speaker 12 (23:00):
Like, recent changes to US participation such as withdraw or
re entry our executive actions and do not require new
Senate ratification since the original treaty remains ratified and in
force unless the Senate specifically acts to revoke consent.

Speaker 13 (23:20):
So that so that means it means nothing that they're
pulling at.

Speaker 12 (23:23):
That's exactly what I was getting at. Yeah, so this
is a look good move on the part of Trump.
We're not withdrawing from anything. He's not withdrawing.

Speaker 13 (23:33):
Everything that he's doing is to look good because he's
doing everything with executive order, and executive order can be
just undone, you know, on day one.

Speaker 12 (23:48):
Of symbolic right. Yeah, so he's not going to participate,
but ultimately we're still if it's ratified. It requires a senator,
real action really to really get us out. I wish
we had real leadership that are that it's really anti globalist,

(24:13):
because press releases don't get the job done and executive
actions don't get the job done. YEP repeated US withdraws
from UNESCO twenty eighteen under Trump, return in twenty twenty
three under Biden, and announced withdraw again in twenty twenty
five under Trump. Are decisions made by the executive branch

(24:33):
based on previously ratified treaty status. So there you go.
I don't see that really changing much, but the conservatives
will rally around the president on this anyway. Enough of that,
I guess have you been following at all? I don't

(24:55):
know how if how many people are actually talking. There's
a there's court case going on against Bill Gates in
the Netherlands. Have you heard much about that?

Speaker 13 (25:05):
No, not at all.

Speaker 12 (25:07):
Apparently Bill Gates is on trial. Essentially, this is the
expos a. Despite Bill Gates attempting.

Speaker 13 (25:17):
To claim I'll say that.

Speaker 12 (25:21):
I don't think he's going to show up though. Despite
Bill Gates attempting to claim a Dutch court has no
jurisdiction over him, the court case against him and sixteen
other defendants went ahead last Wednesday. Two lawyers were representing
seven vaccine injured claimants, Arnold van Kessel and Peter Stason.

(25:42):
In June, the day after submitting documents for the initial proceedings,
Van Kessel was arrested and taken away blindfolded by a
team of semi military police. So they arrested the lawyer,
one of the lawyers that was arguing the case. He's
still being held in the Netherlands highest security prison. So

(26:04):
on Wednesday, Stason represented the seven claimants on his own.
Speaking after the hearing, Dutch independent media outlet pinch of
Soot said, quote, if Van Kessel's arrest was meant to
intimidate Stason, it did the opposite, as if he felt
he had nothing to lose, Stason did all but Mince's words.
He took the bull by the horns and named the

(26:26):
defendant's crimes for what they are, bio warfare, genocide, mass murder,
deceit and assault. They say the judge will issue his
ruling in six weeks time.

Speaker 14 (26:38):
Now.

Speaker 12 (26:38):
I got a couple of clips from a journalist named
Ferguson which has been there in the courtroom, and he
is talking a little bit about what's happening there, so
I can play those on the other side of the break.
But I find this very interesting, and I bet it's
not getting much coverage anywhere. Stay with us bottom of
the hour break, we'll be back.

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govern America.

Speaker 12 (31:22):
Welcome back to the broadcast. This is govern America. The
website for the show is Governamerica dot com. That's Governamerica
dot com. My email address is radio at governamerica dot com. Vicky,
you want to give your information out please?

Speaker 14 (31:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (31:35):
My website is the Technocratic Tyranny dot com. The older
website is channelingreality dot com and my email address is
on both websites.

Speaker 12 (31:47):
Right, very good. I was sharing before the break about
this court case against Bill Gates two Dutch lawyers Amo
van Kessel and Peter Stason, who has been bringing the case.
I filed the case representing seven claimants who alleged harm
from COVID injections, and the cases against Bill Gates, Pfizer

(32:08):
CEO Albert Bulah and fifteen others who facilitated the whole
thing by the or the cases facilitated I guess by
the stitcheding rist O prec Foundation. I'm not quite sure
how to pronounce all that proceedings. According to the expos

(32:31):
a Proceedings officially began on the fourteenth of July of
twenty twenty three, when bailiffs traveled across the Netherlands to
serve the summons to the seventeen defendants. And you know
this is a recent article, so this has been going
on apparently all this time. But they arrested one of

(32:53):
the members, as I said before the break, one of
the members of the attorneys. It was due to be heard.
Originally this case was on November twenty second, twenty twenty third,
but by that date the attorneys for all the defendants
except Gates had entered their submissions. Gates arrogantly claimed that

(33:14):
the court in the Netherlands has no jurisdiction over him. However,
the court disagreed and said that all parties, including Gates,
must appear in person at the court for an orall
hearing on eighteen September twenty twenty four. Well, in this case,
hate to say it, but the court in my opinion,

(33:36):
doesn't really have any authority over Gates. Now, if he
appeared in the Netherlands, then I would say that the
court probably does.

Speaker 20 (33:46):
Well.

Speaker 12 (33:47):
This is one of those deals.

Speaker 13 (33:49):
Gates is acting as a un official basically yeah, I
have a copy of a contract that he's signed.

Speaker 12 (34:03):
Well, this really goes in heart and heart with world government.
Are you going to recognize where a world government court?
And I don't so in that regard. Is it arrogant
for Bill Gates to say that the court has no
authority over him? Well, Gates is a US citizen. I

(34:24):
would say that he's probably right. They don't have authority
over him. He should be tried here in the United
States because there's plenty of people here that have been
injured by the vaccine that he's pushing. But I wouldn't
just single Bill Gates out on that. Unfortunately, Trump Biden
all of them would have to be put on trial
with him.

Speaker 13 (34:44):
Yeah, go for the deep pockets.

Speaker 12 (34:47):
Yeah, well there's plenty with deep pockets as well. But anyway,
this is Jim Ferguson. Jim Ferguson is at the event.
He's been covering it. He describes some of what has
been going on.

Speaker 21 (35:00):
Well, good morning. This is Jim Ferguson reporting from the Netherlands.

Speaker 22 (35:03):
The day after the historic court case took place in
Louswarden up in the far north of the Netherlands. This
was no ordinary court case, people like Bill Gates, people
like Ursula vonder Lean, people like Mark Ruta, the former
Prime minister here of the Netherlands, as well as many
others Albert Burla, the CEO of Pfizer. They've all been

(35:28):
accused of conspiracy and these accusations carry criminal penalties if
they're found guilty, and the judgment from the judge was
that they would make a decision within six weeks. This
could be leading to criminal prosecutions for national.

Speaker 21 (35:48):
Leaders, CEOs.

Speaker 22 (35:51):
Even Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum was cited.

Speaker 21 (35:56):
They're all on defence now. They've all sent solicitors.

Speaker 22 (36:00):
Interestingly enough, with the exception of Bill Gates, maybe he
thinks by not defending it will go away.

Speaker 21 (36:07):
This isn't going away for folks.

Speaker 22 (36:09):
This is going to ignite an international global firestore. And
if they are found guilty then they will have to
go to the court and they will have to be
put on the witness stand and they're going to have
to give accounts for what they've done and what they've said.

Speaker 12 (36:26):
I don't think they're going to have to do anything
because they just won't go to another What.

Speaker 13 (36:31):
Court specifically is that the court at the.

Speaker 12 (36:34):
Hague I believe so well.

Speaker 13 (36:37):
You know, they may very well have jurisdiction. There was
a Dutch clot when Obama was president, he extorted our
states to pass a piece of legislation that basically our

(36:58):
states are telling you is to honor the decisions of
the Court at the Hague as it pertains to UH
international family law cases. So so I would say it's
really not so clear whether or not Gates would be subject,

(37:23):
but he might claim immunity because he has that agreement
with the UN.

Speaker 22 (37:28):
Yeah, Arnold, that's the top lawyer.

Speaker 12 (37:34):
Sorry, yeah, yeah, it's It's gonna be interesting to see if.

Speaker 22 (37:38):
Arnold, the top lawyer, the lead lawyer in this prosecution,
was arrested just about four weeks ago at his home.
He was raided, he was arrested, he was blameful that
he was putting cuffs, and he is now being detained
in a maximum security prison.

Speaker 21 (37:59):
They tried to.

Speaker 22 (37:59):
Stop the court case from agen, but they were able
to get the court papers to the court, the evidence
almost close to two hundred pieces of evidence, much of
that was being presented yesterday. This was a sort of
a pre run, a sort of opening salave in what
is now likely to become a huge topic internationally, and

(38:25):
I spoke to slicters and lawyers there, people that I've
met and I've become good friends with, who were giving
me their legal perspective what was going on. I paid
tribute to Mike ataar Horst, a good friend, a top lawyer,
and she was there. She was sitting beside me in
the courtroom. So what's actually happening here and what's unfolding

(38:47):
cannot be underestimated. We could see people who thought they'd
gone away with them, the deception, the coercion, the intimidation,
the fear. We could see them being put on trial
on these charges of bioterrorism and genocide. That those are
the terms that we're given in the courts. Those were

(39:10):
the words that were used. I'm not saying it, they
said it. And what's really quite critically important is that
people understand the magnitude of what is actually developing here.

Speaker 12 (39:20):
Okay, I don't know if this is being over exaggerated
or not, because from what I'm reading also, and I
don't trust the mainstream press, but the AFP is is
issuing a debunking of this, saying that it's a civil
case and not a criminal case that being the case.
If it's I.

Speaker 13 (39:39):
Don't agree with that. I think it's a criminal case.

Speaker 12 (39:42):
Well it should be. It should be a criminal case.

Speaker 13 (39:45):
Vaccines were untested.

Speaker 12 (39:48):
Yeah, yeah, I think all.

Speaker 13 (39:50):
Of them should be experimental.

Speaker 12 (39:52):
But I'm less interested if it's a civil case, because
I mean, even though they're optimistic that that could end
up leading to something more meaningful, I guess, well, we'll
just have to wait and see. We'll just watch it.
But in the meantime, doctor Faucie has been referred to
a top prosecutor for criminal charges after the whole Biden

(40:17):
autopin pardon revelation. You know, of course, supposedly Biden pardoned
pre pardoned you know, Faucy and a bunch of other people,
which I still think needs to be challenged because this
notion of pre pardoning people.

Speaker 13 (40:37):
Yeah, I don't think that's legal. I don't see how
that can possibly be legal.

Speaker 12 (40:44):
It's never really been challenged in my opinion my knowledge. Well,
that's a good point. You're probably right in which case, though,
it needs to be challenged because these pre part of
how do you pardon somebody who hasn't yet been accused
of a crime.

Speaker 13 (41:01):
Yeah, that's like giving him a license to commit a crime.

Speaker 12 (41:04):
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Whatever you do from
here on out, Hey, it's covered, no problem, good to go.
But when the whole situation even gets more sticky when
you realize that many of the things that he was
allegedly doing he didn't even know about, apparently because they

(41:25):
were being done in his name through auto.

Speaker 13 (41:27):
Pen Well, and I think that's the fallacy of charging
or trying to bring Biden into any kind of court
or legal proceeding, because by definition, what you're claiming is
that he was encompassmentous I think is the term.

Speaker 12 (41:48):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (41:49):
And if that's the case, you can't put him on
trial because he didn't have knowledge. Yeah, he didn't have the.

Speaker 12 (42:01):
Well, I think that there's really.

Speaker 13 (42:03):
They really should be going after the people that they
know were involved in using the autopen.

Speaker 12 (42:11):
Yeah, and the people who they know were pushing the
shots when they knew good and well the shots were
dangerous and not tested. And unfortunately that includes Donald J. Trump,
but it also includes Biden. Biden really pushed it hard
to the point where we thought we wouldn't even be
able to travel outside the state. I mean, they were

(42:33):
there were there was talk that they were going to
set up checkpoints. If you recall, oh yeah, and many
of us, and some did lose their jobs, their employment,
Many of us faced that possibility. This was a very
very tumultuous time in our in our history, a very
stressful time where we were being attacked from all fronts

(42:55):
in order to push a bio weapon and get it
injected into your body.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
Hm.

Speaker 13 (43:00):
What they were trying to do, basically is to put
the public health system in position to be able to
manage our society. And that is a huge thing, a
huge thing.

Speaker 12 (43:16):
So yeah, Republican Ran paused redoubling his efforts. This is
the Daily Mail in his investigation into the man who
led America's COVID nineteen response, the response Doctor Anthony Fauci.
The Kentucky senator who has grilled Faucy about the pandemic
since twenty twenty one, is now demanding that he'd be
criminally prosecuted for lying to Congress in light of new

(43:38):
shocking details about his presidential pardon. Fauci was granted a
preemptive pardon by President Joe Biden as he left office,
which could shield him from some consequences related to the pandemic,
but Biden admitted the pardon was signed by autopan and
not himself, raising questions about his mental state as he

(43:59):
issued this week relief for Faucy. If the President didn't
authorize this pardon personally, then the Department has a duty
to investigate and prosecute as it would any ordinary citizen,
Paul wrote in a post on x Paul told The
Daily Mail last month he was preparing to subpoena Faucy
as part of an expanded Senate investigation into the origins

(44:22):
of COVID nineteen and US funded research in Wuhan.

Speaker 13 (44:26):
Well, that is a sticky wicket. Fauci should be very
nervous about that.

Speaker 12 (44:35):
Yeah, I don't think it's going to go anywhere. Honestly,
I'm so cynical. None of these characters ever really pay
the price for anything they do. I would love to
see him being brought to justice. I would love to
see Anthony Fauci behind bars. But just like the Epstein mess,

(44:56):
are any of these people ever going to really be
held accountable? You got Gallaine Maxwell, the only one in
prison for the crimes against children that have been done,
and yet all of these people the Justice Department sat

(45:17):
in their memo we shared it last week that there
were at least a thousand victims of Epstein. So if
there were a thousand victims, then there had to be
at least I would think a thousand people or or
at least hundreds of people that were perpetrators of these crimes.

(45:43):
Who are these people? Where are they? Why haven't they
been pursued. We know of Prince Andrew, we know of
some things, Bill Clinton, we know Donald Trump was very
closely associated with Epstein as well. But where are all
the others and why haven't any of them really been pursued.

(46:04):
That's the question I think everybody really needs to be asking,
you know, why do we have a two tier system
of justice here? You know? And so foulcy is culpable,
but Trump is culpable too, and Deborah Burks, all of
these people should be put on trial.

Speaker 13 (46:22):
Well, what I heard is that Trump never went to
the island. They were just friends, supposedly.

Speaker 12 (46:31):
Okay, but why is he covering up?

Speaker 6 (46:33):
Then?

Speaker 12 (46:34):
If he's not guilty, why is he covering up? That's
my question?

Speaker 23 (46:38):
You know.

Speaker 12 (46:38):
And so in the meantime, hey, you can get those
face diapers ready. They were about to have a reductch.

Speaker 24 (46:43):
Just when you thought COVID was in the rear view mirror,
it's creeping back onto the radar. New CDC data shows
a surge in COVID infections across more than two dozen states,
with er visits for children at their highest level since March.
The new variants have names to match the forecast nimbus
and but their symptoms feel familiar sore throat, cough, fever, fatigue.

(47:05):
CBS medical contributor doctor John Lapooch says the current vaccine
does cover these variants. The CDC now recommends most adults
eighteen and up and everyone sixty five and older get
the twenty twenty four twenty five COVID shot for kids.
The guidances to check with your doctor first.

Speaker 12 (47:23):
There you go, and if the COVID doesn't get you, well,
brace yourself. Here come the measles.

Speaker 25 (47:29):
This year's measles cases in the US are nearly five
times higher than all of last year's total. According to
the CDC, thirty nine states, including Washington, have reported cases,
breaking the nineteen ninety two record. This comes as the
overall school vaccination rate among Washington students is declining. Fox roteas.
Frankie Thompson has a closer look at the data.

Speaker 26 (47:52):
For children between birth and six years old, The CDC
recommends a series of vaccines to protect them against fourteen
serious and life threatening diseases science including measles, chicken pox,
and wooman cough.

Speaker 27 (48:04):
My experience is much more death and disability from the
diseases we are vaccinated against than anything the vaccine has
ever accomplished.

Speaker 26 (48:14):
Doctor Scott Lindquist, the state medical epidemiologist, has three decades
of expertise and pediatric infectious disease. He says vaccines keep
kids growing healthy as they prepare to attend school. Fox
thirteen reviewed the school immunization rate for kindergarten students using
data from the Washington State Department of Health. Overall, state
white numbers show a downward trend in school immunization since

(48:37):
the COVID nineteen pandemic. This year, the kindergarten vaccine rate
fell more than four percent compared to the twenty twenty
twenty twenty one school year.

Speaker 27 (48:45):
My concern is, as we start to falter in our
ability to vaccinate our kids, are we going to see
resurgence of these diseases and even more.

Speaker 26 (48:55):
Deaths in western Washington. King and Pierce County saw little
to no change in the twenty twenty four to twenty
five rates for kindergarten compared to last year, but in
Pierce County there was a two point five percent drop.
Looking at the past two academic years, Pacific Counties saw
the lowest vaccine rates in the state.

Speaker 12 (49:14):
So it's all the anti vaxxers fault. So yeah, social
distancing here we come to you. Well, you bring up
those vaccination rates.

Speaker 13 (49:23):
At this point, if I were a parent, I would
be very skeptical about vaccines. Yeah, the original vaccines that
they did, which was the DPT shots, diphtheria, tetanus, and
typhoid and then the smallpox thing. I don't think I

(49:50):
would get any of the new vaccines because I don't
think are it's all run by the big pharma and
all they're doing is they're producing some new formula of
chemicals you know every year that who the hell knows
what's in it.

Speaker 12 (50:11):
Yeah, well that's pretty much true for all of them.
And you know the controversy.

Speaker 13 (50:16):
About weather bacteria, you can you can vaccinate for back.

Speaker 12 (50:21):
They still have they still have the marisaw as as
the adjuvant. There's still a lot of problems with vaccines
in general, and that's the problem. You know, I guess
arguably there has been an eradication of diseases, and I
suppose it's been largely due to vaccines.

Speaker 13 (50:44):
At what side they have all children today have all
all of these horrible diseases. There was none of that
one I was growing up.

Speaker 12 (50:56):
Well, what they what they've done is they've increased the
vaccine schedule massive. I mean, they've increased the number of vaccines.
Children are getting to the point where, I mean, it's
it's just overwhelming. I think they're to their little immune systems.
They can't. It's nuts what they're what they're injecting, how
much they're injecting into these kids.

Speaker 13 (51:17):
Yeah, that's why I'm saying, if I were a parent today,
I don't think i'd get any of them.

Speaker 12 (51:23):
And they're not. Many of them are opting out. And
that's what that's what they're yelling about. That's what these
types of reports, which, by the way, the news media,
ladies and gentlemen, is supported by Pfiser and all the
other vaccine companies. You remember that type.

Speaker 13 (51:38):
All my commercials on TV are for drugs.

Speaker 12 (51:42):
Yeah, that's the thing. You can't sit down to a
comedy or anything else. I don't watch TV much. I
hate television, but whenever you do, it's just Pfiser this,
you know, Glacks, Glaxico, Smith, Klein that. You know, it's

(52:04):
just NonStop drug ads.

Speaker 13 (52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (52:09):
Well, one good thing that I am happy to see
is that Pam Bondy, believe it or not, I can
actually use Pambody's name in a sentence with something good.
I know it's hard to believe, but US Attorney General,
this is from American greatness. Pambondy has dropped all charges
against a Utah physician who who was accused of issuing

(52:32):
fake vaccination cards and destroying thousands of viral viral files
excuse me of mRNA vaccine. Fifty eight year old plastic surgeon,
doctor Kirk Moore was facing up to thirty five years
in prison after being charged with conspiracy to defraud the government,
conspiracy to convert, sell, convey, and dispose of government property,

(52:54):
and aiding and a betting in those efforts by the
Biden Administration's Department of Justice. I'm not quite sure about
that last eating and a betting in those efforts. Huh
More was accused of throwing away twenty eight thousand dollars
worth of government funding COVID nineteen vaccine and providing at
least thirty seven fraudulently complete vaccine cards and return for

(53:21):
cash or a donation to a specified charitable organization. Well
this sounds kind of shady, Yeah, it does. I'm all
in favor of him.

Speaker 13 (53:32):
With him, yeah, until money gets involved.

Speaker 12 (53:36):
Yeah, now I'm not so sure, but yeah, I was
all in favor of him helping people to bypass the
restrictions of the COVID mess. That's really what I'm in
favor of, because people shouldn't be held responsible for that.
There's also been updates on International Health regulation amendments. Brownstone

(54:00):
Institute says much has been written on the amendments to
the International Health Regulations which most countries are making themselves
subject to the July nineteenth next week, which was not
next week, it's last week, so this is a little dated.
This came out on the sixteenth, but many raised concerns
of loss of sovereignty, censorship, corporate greed, and conflict of interest,

(54:24):
but most are missing the main point, the share and
outright stupidity and fallacy on which the whole pandemic agenda
is based. July nineteenth is the last day that Member
States of the World Health Organization can withdraw from the
IHR amendments. Well, that may be the last date that
they say that you can withdraw, but if you're really
a sovereign country, you can withdraw any time. So anybody

(54:47):
that's in a decision making capacity needs to keep that
in mind. That deadline means nothing to a sovereign country. Withdraw.
If you miss the deadline, withdraw anyway and tell them
to go stick it. Yeah, And unfortunately that's it for
this hour. In a few moments after the top of

(55:09):
the Hour News, we'll be visiting with Pete Schen and
we're gonna be talking about the Epstein mess as it
continues to develop and it continues to spiral out of control.
Trump administration, of course, is attempting to put the genie
back into the bottle in terms of this issue. And
the question is why are they covering this up? Why

(55:33):
is this so important to obfuse skate, Why is this
so important to you know, Trump gets very defensive. Why
are you still talking about this subject? Because we haven't
really got any answers. There was a meeting by the
Deputy Attorney General on Thursday and yesterday two days they
were talking with Glene Maxwell in prison. And yet this

(55:57):
is really essentially behind closed doors as far as we're concerned.
We have no idea what was said. We don't have
the ability to know. We're kept in the dark. And
my question is why the long conversation, what was discussed
in this meeting. These are the types of things we're
going to talk about with Peachen in the next hour.

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Speaker 28 (59:03):
President Trump has made his endorsement for the next Republican
National Committee.

Speaker 29 (59:07):
Chair, with current chair Michael Wattley prepping in North Carolina
Senate run. President Trump on truth Social says he wants
Joe Gruiders to head the RNC. Gruders is the current
R and C Treasurer and a Florida State Senator, The
posts saying quote, should Michael Wattley run for the Senate,
please let this notification represent my complete and total endorsement.

(59:27):
Wattley would be a heavy favorite to secure the GOP
nomination with President Trump's endorsement, and he's likely to face
former Governor Roy Cooper in a race that will be
key in determining control of the Senate In Washington, Ryan
Schmels Fox News.

Speaker 28 (59:41):
Interior Secretary Doug Berger met with House Republicans earlier this
week to discuss their efforts to roll back former President
Biden's energy policies. Secretary Bergham says the former president's policies
stunted American growth.

Speaker 30 (59:53):
This is why I'm so bullish on on the American
economy is that we're actually letting innovation finally take hold
of as opposed to regulation.

Speaker 28 (01:00:01):
A child brings a taser to a Florida church camp,
but the resulting investigation reveals abject horrors for the children
of a reclusive family. Evan Brown reports from Miami.

Speaker 31 (01:00:12):
Investigators called to a church camp near Lake City, Florida,
to deal with a camper possessing a taser, uncover the
child's deeply shocking and disturbing conditions of his home life.
Police now have the parents, Brian and Jill Griffith, and
adult children Dallen and Liberty and Griffith in custody for
multiple counts of child cruelty and sexual abuse. The family

(01:00:35):
resides in a home deep in the woods, and investigators
say nine children in the home, ages seven through sixteen,
were severely uneducated. And didn't even know their full names
or birthdays. The family moved to Florida from Arizona and
adopted at least some of the children, allegedly making them
spend their days doing physical labor.

Speaker 28 (01:00:54):
The mainstream media is not only downplaying Director of National
Intelligence Telsea gabbards actations of Barack Obama and his team's
treasonous activities during the first Trump administration, they're mocking them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Steve Jordal has.

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More d and I.

Speaker 32 (01:01:08):
Tulci Gabbard was outlining the findings of her department that
Barack Obama falsified intelligence reports about Russia's meddling in the
twenty sixteen election when CNN just cut away on December.

Speaker 25 (01:01:19):
Fifth, We've been listening there to the Director of National Intelligence,
Tulci Gabbard.

Speaker 32 (01:01:23):
Continuing, CNN's National affairs correspondent Jeff de Lenni dismissed the
accusation with an attitude of disdain.

Speaker 12 (01:01:29):
And this is hardly information that we should even be repeating.
I'm not sure that we should spend that much more
time on it, frankly.

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Speaker 32 (01:01:37):
Other mainstream outlets followed suit, with CBS pulling out the
old without evidence.

Speaker 30 (01:01:41):
Knard, director of National Intelligence TULCI Gabbard attempting to rewrite
the history of Russia's twenty sixteen election interference, accusing former
President Obama without evidence of manipulating intelligence.

Speaker 32 (01:01:53):
Never mind that Gabbard released hundreds of pages of evidence
which has been referred to the Justice Department. Curtis Hawk
of Media Research Center says that's actually a till.

Speaker 33 (01:02:02):
It is remarkable to see the liberal media complaining about
the Gabbered report and accusing them of looking backwards when
the entire epscene discourse is looking backwards.

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A heat dome that's been cooking the Midwest and South
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Of these cities.

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And finally, a Seattle woman issuing the Navy's famed Blue
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To do with her.

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Louren Ann Lombardi claims her First Amendment rights were violated
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who travel from her show to airshow perform in the

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The Blue Angels.

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Say they don't comment on pending litigation.

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World order, new world or that new world order.

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This is a moment to sease. The kaleidoscope has been shaken.
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Us, a new world order, a world where.

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The United Nations is poised to fulfill the historic vision
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First decade of the twenty first century.

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But out of what will be seen as the greatest
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The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and
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secret proceedings.

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Weaving war on the new world order.

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This is govern America two. If Daring Week's and Vicky.

Speaker 36 (01:05:01):
Davis, the houseover Side Committee is going to subpoena Gelaine Maxwell.
She's largely known as Jeffrey Epstein's enabler and is currently
serving a twenty year prison sentence for sex trafficking miners.
The committee now says they want to speak with her
in person and overside. Committee spokeswoman confirmed to Straight Hour
News that it will seek to subpoena Maxwell as expeditiously

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as possible. The spokeswoman added quote, since Maxwell is in
federal prison, the Committee will work with the Department of
Justice and Bureau of Prisons to identify a date when
the Committee can depose her. Interest in the Epstein case
skyrocketed earlier this month after the Justice Department released a
memo saying there was no Epstein client list and they
don't expect anyone else involved in the sex trafficking ring

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to be prosecuted. The memo confirmed Epstein had over one
thousand victims. For months, President Trump and his supporter said
they were going to release the client list, along with
all the files pertaining to the case. The Justice Department
memo contradicted. That led many to wonder what the truth is.
Based on the House of Representatives current schedule, the earliest

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Maxwell could testify is September, although the logistical challenges of
bringing her from the federal prison in Florida up to
d C could make that take even longer.

Speaker 12 (01:06:15):
From Femal Regions five to ten, this is Governor America,
Our number two. It continues to be the twenty sixth
of July twenty twenty five. Yeah, in an ever growing scandal,
we see the FBI Director Cash Betel and Deputy Director
Dan Bongino in May came out and said that Jeffrey
Epstein committed suicide. No new evidence, nothing to see here,
completely reversing their narratives. The situation was made much worse

(01:06:39):
when Attorney General Pam Bondi recently said nothing new would
be released, the investigation was essentially closed. Then we had
Elon Musk.

Speaker 13 (01:06:48):
Call thing was ridiculous. You know, it was so ridiculous.
It made me think they were doing it intentionally, you know,
kind of creating a.

Speaker 12 (01:07:01):
Yeah. Well, Elon Musk then came out and said the
quiet part out loud, that Trump didn't want the Epstein
files released because he's in them. And then we had
the Wall Street Journal reporting that Attorney General Pam Bondi
in May told Trump that his name does appear in
the Epstein files, and now Trump is suing. I believe

(01:07:23):
the Wall Street Journal for that report. Anyway, a lot
going on in this front. This is an ever growing scandal,
and what will be the end of it, certainly the
administration would love to be able to put the genie
back in the bartle. I'm sure many other people would
as well. There have been a number of attempts at
distraction and diversion going on, but this is continuing to grow,

(01:07:46):
I believe, and as well as I think it should,
we should have answers. So retired Lieutenant Colonel Pete Schen
is joining us on the line right now. He has
an extensive background as US Air Force trainer and journalist.
He also served as an executive officer for the Continental
No Read Region Air Operations Center and as a liaison

(01:08:07):
between the Secretary of the Air Force and US Senate Appropriators.
He has won multiple awards for his service, and we're
pleased to have him joining us today on Governor America
to talk about this growing scandal. Hey, Pete, thank you
for joining us.

Speaker 37 (01:08:24):
I'm delighted to be here to talk about this because
from where I sit, it represents a fundamental threat to
the republic. This whole concept that there's a secret, a
giant secret out there that the American people can see
with their own eyes, yet their government tells them doesn't exist.
And that's just not the kind of country I want

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to live in. It's not the country I fought for,
and it's what Epstein Justice has committed to rooting out
and setting right.

Speaker 12 (01:08:52):
Yeah. Absolutely so this meeting just starting us off here,
this meeting between Deputy Attorney General Todd Blair. He met
with Epstein associate Glaine Maxwell for two days, two days
behind closed doors. Basically this was in the prison. And

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we don't really know anything about this conversation.

Speaker 14 (01:09:14):
Do we.

Speaker 12 (01:09:17):
What was discussed?

Speaker 37 (01:09:18):
Certainly don't. But we know we don't know what was
discussed at all, Derek, But we know one thing that
Dlainne Maxwell is not a reliable witness. She's under a
tremendous pressure to say whatever it is that the administration
might want to hear because they alone, and when I
say they, I actually President Trump alone has the power

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really at this point to grant clemency or to pardon her.
And so you would imagine that would be an enormous
enticement to cooperate, and you know, perhaps she'll have a
change of heart, but she has always maintained her innocence.
In fact, in the twenty nineteen sham trial or twenty
twenty one sham trial that she went through, you know,

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they never offered her any sort of plea negotiation, and
her lawyers never asked for any plea deal because she
strictly maintained her complete innocence at all times. So she
has an enormous credibility problem right from the beginning. And
you know, as a human being, she has several credibility problems,
not least of which is her relationship with her own father,

(01:10:25):
Robert Maxwell, a well known associate of the Masad and
a guy who ultimately died under mysterious circumstances as well. Yeah,
she is an interesting figure for sure, but really, what
she actually ultimately is, and this is the important point,
is that she herself is a monster. She herself is

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one of the primary associates of Jeffrey Epstein, who was
responsible for the trafficking of hundreds of children. And if
the victims are to be believed, and we at Epstein
Justice believe that the victims are to be believed, these
children were traffic not just to Jeffrey Epstein, but to
many of his wealthy and powerful friends. We as a

(01:11:06):
society can't live in a country, can we where our
own government is protecting those who took took part in
child sexual abuse. From my standpoint, those people have to
be exposed, and even if they can no longer be
prosecuted for whatever legal reason, they should at least be
publicly named, shamed, and shunned a polite society forever.

Speaker 12 (01:11:29):
Yeah. Amen, I completely one hundred percent agree with you
on that. You know, in this secretive conversation behind prison doors,
prison walls, it makes me concerned that they're talking about
some sort of a deal with her. Maybe sometimes I think.

Speaker 13 (01:11:45):
They already offered her clements, say didn't they.

Speaker 12 (01:11:49):
Not that I know of.

Speaker 37 (01:11:50):
Do you know there's been no offer yet made that
we know of? I guess would be the way that
I would say that we don't know what's been discussed.
We don't know what they're offering. But what we do
know is that really almost anything Gallainne Maxwell has to
say is going to be highly questionable, and so this
is part of the challenge. But the thing is that

(01:12:13):
we don't have to rely on Glayne Maxwell. There are
potentially terabytes. The Justice Department themselves said that they've been
through three hundred gigabytes worth of hard drives and electronic media,
but they also claim that in that July seventh memo
that in going through those hundreds of gigabytes of files

(01:12:34):
that they found not one shred of evidence that there
was anybody else involved.

Speaker 12 (01:12:39):
Yeah, they claim that it's all child porn. Believe that. Yeah,
it's supposedly all childborn. Nothing to see here, You're not
going to ever see any of it. And to be fair,
we don't want to see the child porn if it exists.
But yeah, like you point out, Epstein had multiple properties.
Some of the witnesses of Virginia Farmer comes to mind,
actually said, and we played the audio from her on

(01:13:01):
the show where she said he had cameras on every toilet,
he had cameras on every bed. You know, the whole
place was covered with cameras. And that was one property.
How many other properties does he have? And the FBI
hasn't seized any of this evidence, They don't have any
of this. It's very very difficult to believe, isn't it

(01:13:21):
It is?

Speaker 37 (01:13:22):
And in fact they do have this evidence by their
own admission, they said, well, at least it's reported in
the New York Times that when they seized his brownstone
in New York, they opened his safe the next day.
This was in July of twenty nineteen, and they hauled
out hundreds of DVDs labeled young Girl plus another person's name.

(01:13:44):
So what about those files? What about those details?

Speaker 23 (01:13:48):
And you know there's.

Speaker 37 (01:13:49):
Information to be released, I guess is the bottom line here.
And it's not just about that either. You know, there's
information that is kind of surrounding us. One of the
things I like to point out is that there was
an there's an entirely financial aspect to this case that
is also horrifying, which is that, you know, JP morgan

(01:14:12):
Chase continued to bank Jeffrey Epstein well after they knew
that he was a convicted sex defender and convicted felon,
even though he got a sweetheart deal for those convictions.
Bill the average bank is not going to continue to
bank with a child sex offender, but they continued to
bank with Jeffrey Epstein, and according to discovery in a

(01:14:33):
lawsuit filed by the US Virgin Islands, which accused JP
Morgan Chase of facilitating child sex trafficking on its territory,
which JP Morgan Chase later settled for over one hundred
and seventy million dollars in that case. In the discovery,
JP Morgan Chase said that the reason that they continued
to bank with Jeffrey Epstein is that he continued to

(01:14:55):
bring high net worth ultra high net worth in individuals
to the bank and have them switch their banking from
where they were banking to JP Morgan Chase. Wow, now, Derek,
I don't know if you've ever switched your bank, but
it's an incredibly complex and difficult process for the average person. Right,
It's not really easy to switch your bank. You got

(01:15:16):
you have many payments tied to it, You've got a
lot of you have perhaps assets tied up to it,
maybe even insurance or mortgage with your bank. Think how
much more complicated the banking relationships are for billionaires?

Speaker 10 (01:15:27):
Right?

Speaker 37 (01:15:27):
You have to ask yourself, how was it that Jeffrey
Epstein was able to persuade other billionaires to switch their
banks after he himself was a convicted sex offender. And
the only answer that seems reasonable is that you have
something on them. Yeah, and so you know that is
Another aspect of this case that I think requires further

(01:15:50):
investigation is the money trail. There are some very high
level people in finance that are involved in this thing
that have gone completely unpunished, much like there was nobody
punished for the two thousand and eight housing market collapse
and subsequent wipeout of the US economy. Now one single
person went to jail for that, and right now it
looks like there will be. As it stands right now,

(01:16:13):
there was only there will have only been one person
incarcerated for any length of time for what everyone regards
as the largest sex trafficking network to have ever been
established on US oil.

Speaker 12 (01:16:26):
Yeah, it reminds me of the banking and that there
have been banks that have been involved in fact that
we interviewed a gentleman years ago who was a cop
who was involved with bringing down some of the organized crime.
I think it was HSBC that was involved in that,
you know.

Speaker 13 (01:16:42):
They that's the Hong Kong bank.

Speaker 12 (01:16:45):
Right, Yeah, there were the sinealoa cartel, some a lot
of drug running has been involved with banks, and a
lot of criminal activity with different banks, and so this
really wouldn't be surprising at all if this was some
sort of a child prostitution thing that was being in

(01:17:08):
you know, but we really need an answer to this
in order to even know. I mean, basically, they've lost us,
left us out of the whole equation, and we were
kind of left to just kind of speculate and form
theories amongst ourselves, aren't.

Speaker 13 (01:17:23):
We Well, you know one thing that I don't I
don't know how many people remember, but there was a
scandal about a building in the Virgin Islands that had,
you know, over a thousand businesses registered to that address.

(01:17:47):
Obviously they were just front companies, and I just kind
of had this feeling that Epstein was involved in that,
and that was occurring at the same time that the
Congress was investigating tech shelters, and so each one of

(01:18:08):
those small businesses was probably a tech shelter.

Speaker 12 (01:18:14):
You know, this this meeting between Gallainne Maxwell and this
deputy Justice Department official, Todd Blanche This wasn't really publicly
disclosed ahead of time? Was it? They didn't document the visit.
Why do you think that is? Was it security reasons?

Speaker 37 (01:18:34):
Well, sure, security, But more to the point, I don't
think it was planned. I don't think it was announced
in advance because I don't think it was planned. I
think it's a knee jerk reaction to try and control
the public's desire for an impartial investigation and a full
disclosure of all of the facts surrounding the crimes of

(01:18:54):
Jeffrey Epstein and his known associates. And oh, by the way,
I'm not talking exclusively about rich and powerful people.

Speaker 14 (01:19:03):
You know.

Speaker 37 (01:19:04):
The New York Times published the story all the way
back in twenty twenty that identified six other women who
actively procured children for Epstein's network. None of those women
were ever prosecuted, and the position of the Justice Department
was that they were all victims and so they couldn't
be prosecuted. But couldn't they have been, for example, questioned,

(01:19:26):
couldn't they have been, for example, asked about the ties
of other people to I mean, to my knowledge, they
simply were ignored. So what the American people want, in
my opinion, is they simply want all of the facts
put out there. And that's why we at Epstein Justice
believe and are calling for not just the House Oversight

(01:19:49):
Committee to bring in Glaine Maxwell. I don't think they're
really going to get that much out of that. What
we believe, Congress must do, and it will only take
a majority vote in the Senate. In the House, that's
something that requires a two thirds vote. Establish a Congressional
commission with subpoena power whose mandate is to investigate the
Jeffrey Epstein sexual abuse network and bring all of the

(01:20:14):
facts to light about who was involved and how they
profited from it. And I think that doing so is
necessary for a couple of reasons. One, you know, in
my biography, you mentioned I was a liaison between the
executive branch to the congressional branch. And here's what I
learned in that process. The executive branch is not designed

(01:20:35):
to disclose information. The executive branch is designed to withhold information,
keep it close hold, so that they can preserve freedom
of action and decision making. And oh, by the way,
keep secrets. You know, the executive branch keeps are the
keeper of the secrets, and so you're not going to
get full disclosure out of the executive branch. Ever. That's

(01:20:57):
why we have three branches of government, and it's up
to our legislative branch, our Congress to compel the executive
branch to disclose all of the information that they have
because there are legitimate questions about whether or not intelligence
services may have been involved with Jeffrey Epstein. His connections

(01:21:18):
to intelligence keep coming up again and again, and there's
been no over There's been plenty of denials, but you know,
that's kind of typical in intelligence work, is to deny
that you're doing that work. So the example that I
like to use of a successful investigation into the executive
branch is the Church Commission in the late seventies. It's

(01:21:39):
the Church Commission that exposed that was run by Idaho
Senator Frank Church, a Republican in nineteen seventy seven that uncovered,
for example, that the CIA had been involved in assassination
plots around the world, and that they had run a
program called mk Ultra which had unwittingly fed LSD to
American soldiers, consitizens, and Canadian psychiatric patients, all in the

(01:22:03):
hopes of coming at some sort of truth herem Well,
you know, the CIA has been documented, let's see arms
trafficking in Central America and to Iran. The CIA has
been involved in a lot of shady stuff over the years.
And I'm not saying that they're involved in this, But
what I am saying is that there are enough links
between Jeffrey Epstein, enough rumors, if you will, about Jeffrey

(01:22:27):
Epstein's connections to intelligence that there needs to be a
full and thorough investigation of this situation from beginning to end.
I mean, why in the world would the US Justice
Department take over a local sex trafficking case from the
state of Florida and then intervene to give the sex

(01:22:48):
trafficker the deal of a lifetime?

Speaker 12 (01:22:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 37 (01:22:52):
Itself has never been fully investigated.

Speaker 12 (01:22:55):
And Pam BONDI had her chance to you did that? Yeah,
go ahead, I'm just going to say.

Speaker 37 (01:23:02):
The man who did that, alex Acosta reportedly said when
he was being vetted to be President Trump's Labor secretary
in his first administration, they asked him about, Hey, that
sweetheart deal. He think there'll be any blowback for that?
He said, no, no, no, that came from on high.
I was told that he was protected by intelligence and
just to sign off on the deal. Reportedly, alex Acosta

(01:23:23):
has never denied that. And guess what, alex Acosta is
alive the House Congression, House Oversight Committee and a Congressional commission.
Really they ought to be bringing in people like alex Acosta.
They ought to be bringing in people like Bill Barr,
who ran the Justice Department when when Jeffrey Epstein was
allowed or was assisted in his suicide, so there ought

(01:23:46):
to be bringing in a whole host of people. It
needs to be a broad ranging investigation, and this is
why it needs also to be bipartisan in nature. And
by the way, what the Democrats are doing to politic
size this issue is horrifying. They're not approaching this issue
because they want to know the facts necessarily right now,

(01:24:07):
it's a chance to stick it to President Trump. That's
not the reason to do this. The reason to do
this is simply to get some justice for these victims. Yep,
the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. There's a victims compensation fund
that requires them to sign a non disclosure agreement. You know,
it's horrifying what has been done to the victims in

(01:24:29):
this case, and only the exposure of the truth has
any chance of bringing any justice for them.

Speaker 12 (01:24:35):
Yeah, you know, I think it's interesting how George Conway,
who I don't particularly like, but I do agree with
him on this point. He said, the meeting between you know,
Glaine Maxwell and the Deputy A. G should have been
audio and visually recorded, but we were shielded from knowing

(01:24:57):
what was said. Supposedly under the guys are protecting the
victctims but at the same time, it would you know,
from what I'm hearing from you, it wouldn't really matter
a whole lot if it was recorded. And in fact,
if they march her in front of Congress, it's probably
going to be a closed session in case she names names,
you know. But ultimately anything that she says is going

(01:25:19):
to be geared toward her her freedom. So you know,
they talk a lot about the client list, but I
think that in some ways that's kind of a red
airing because we have the clients. We can get the
information from the tapes, we can get the information from
the data that was that stored apparently in the FBI

(01:25:41):
files I guess at the Justice Department. And yet unless
this evidence has been destroyed, they're saying they got nothing.
Seems very hard to believe.

Speaker 37 (01:25:51):
And this is the thing. They could easily make this
go away tomorrow by simply releasing evidence that into hated
that there was nothing. You know, I mean, you say, well,
you can't prove a negative, No, you can. This is
why a fulsome disclosure is absolutely vital because you all right,
you say H's child, but blur everything, blur everything that

(01:26:14):
isn't that is not a child. I mean, there are
ways to release this information without uh, without harming people,
right that are not implicated.

Speaker 12 (01:26:23):
All right, keep your thoughts in place. We're gonna go
ahead and take the Bottom of the Hour break. We'll
be away for a few minutes, and we'll come back
in the final segment of this hour with Peachchen. You know, yeah,
we're in a situation right now where under the guys
are protecting the victims, they're not releasing any information to
about the people who victimized the victims. Very ironic, but

(01:26:47):
very convenient for certain individuals. All right, Bottom of the Hour,
will take a break, we'll be back in a moment.
Stay with us, ladies and gentlemen with Peachen. We'll be back.

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Speaker 12 (01:31:22):
Welcome back to the broadcast. We have Pete Schen joining
us right now on the show here talking about the
Epstein scandal and everything that is involved. He's with Epstein Justice.
I believe. The website for them is Epstein Justice dot
com where you can go and learn more and sign
the petition there. Pete, there is a bipartisan resolution that

(01:31:46):
was being pushed by Representatives Rocanna and Thomas Massey to
enforce the release of all Epstein files with the promise
that the victim's identities would be protected. And yet the
House Speaker Mike Johnson blocked the House vote on this,
even shutting down Congress to avoid voting on the matter.
It looks like, what do you think Mike Johnson is

(01:32:09):
afraid of? Why would he do this?

Speaker 37 (01:32:13):
Well, there are a couple of potential reasons. I mean,
looking at it just from a raw political standpoint. President
Trump has made it clear that he would like this
issue to disappear, and so he has a great deal
of influence with Speaker Johnson, as you can well imagine,
and I strongly suspect that he told Mike Johnson, You know,

(01:32:34):
you need to make this go away, at least for now.
The problem is that it's not going to go away
because it's the American people right now are experiencing cognitive
dissonance in the sense that you told us there was
information that was vital to be released, and we believe
that because it's right in front of our own eyes,
all of these powerful and wealthy people. We know that

(01:32:56):
they associated closely with Epstein, and we know that Epstein
was the most prolific child sex trafficker in history. So
you add those two things together and then and then
you so you have that fundamental knowledge coupled with a
promise by the administration that they read with that assessment
and that they were going to release this information, followed

(01:33:17):
swiftly by a statement that we were all wrong and
that there's nothing to see here despite tons and tons
and tons of evidence. How can you can people get
their heads wrapped around that?

Speaker 12 (01:33:28):
And you know, I don't think there's any real and
more transparent example of a cover up that you could
possibly have than this and this division among the conservative base.
I don't think I've ever seen an issue that's more
sharply divided the conservative base. To me, it really is
a measure of homni or willing to cast their principles

(01:33:51):
aside blindly following a rock star idol. And I'm talking
about Trump. Uh, it's like the Golden Calf. You know
that conservatives worship regardless of what he actually does. What
do you think about that?

Speaker 40 (01:34:07):
Well, we are.

Speaker 37 (01:34:08):
Putting to the test at a certain point President Trump's
own assertion that he could shoot someone dead on Fifth
Avenue and not lose an iota of support.

Speaker 12 (01:34:15):
There you go.

Speaker 37 (01:34:16):
Problem is this. The problem is that child sex trafficking
is even worse than shooting somebody dead on Fifth Avenue
in my opinion, because you're murdering the souls of children.
These victims, Derek, they're never the same once a person
has been victimized in that way. Those and this is
one of the reasons why it's hard to prosecute, and

(01:34:37):
it's one of the reasons why wealthy people can do
it with little fear of any kind of punishment, because
you damage these victims so much that they become unreliable
witnesses in the eyes of the law. And so it's
a crime that is self erasing in one sense. And
you know, the American people can't tolerate that. So in

(01:34:58):
the answer to the question, this is a non partisan
issue from where I said, I'm a registered independent, and
I think it's a shame that the conservative base has
been riven by this issue. You know what, it's not
just the conservative base that has been written by this issue.
It's also the Democrats themselves. Believe you me, not every
Democrat is getting in line to call for the release

(01:35:20):
of these files. There are plenty of Democrats who are saying, oh,
this is a distraction. We can't give into quote unquote
conspiracy theorists. You know, we don't want this information disclosed either.
This is why I'm telling you and your listeners that
this is a strictly non partisan issue, but one that
strikes at the very heart of the republic. It's a

(01:35:40):
big secret that has to be exposed or we risk,
in my opinion, the collapse of the legitimacy of our
own government.

Speaker 12 (01:35:49):
Now I know the White House has put a gag
order in place stating that no one inside the administration
is allowed to talk about the Epstein mess with the
media without high level vetting. Uh. This really does a
signal that they're really trying to crack down on the
communications within the White House and control everything. Uh, you know,

(01:36:09):
and and and you have also the the release of
the MLK files right on the heels of this. Uh.
And then what was the other thing? They just oh, obamagate.
Of course, we're going to go back to the Russian
collusion stuff, and I'm gonna put out more information about that,

(01:36:30):
and and and that's really debate that a lot of
the conservative media took. They're switching courses now and focusing
on what I call Obamagate and kind of not talking
about the Epstein stuff as much.

Speaker 37 (01:36:47):
So you know that deserves a legitimate investigation as well. However, Uh,
from my standpoint, of course, I don't understand how the
American people, and I don't think that you American people
are going to be hoodwinked into ignoring the Jeffrey Epstein situation, which,

(01:37:07):
as we all know, has never been appropriately and thoroughly investigated.
And this is the thing, you know, at a certain point,
disclosure is one thing, you know, disclosure of the information
that is in the possession of the FBI and potentially
our intelligence services. That's the first step. Then once we

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have disclosure of that information, then there are investigative leads
that need to be followed up. This is there needs
to be an investigation, and unfortunately, you're not going to
get that from the executive branch. Executive branch has done everything,
and it's powered through four administrations, Republican and Democrat, to
try and make this go away. And that tells you

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right now that it's up to the legislative branch, from
a constitutional standpoint, to step in and exercise their constitutional
prerogative to hold the executive branch to account through a
thorough and fulsome investigation. And I think that that's really
the only chance we have of getting the answers that

(01:38:12):
have the potential to save our republic.

Speaker 6 (01:38:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:38:14):
I agree, you're going to see something, VICKI.

Speaker 13 (01:38:19):
Yeah, I uh. I'm thinking that all of this falls
within the timeframe of building out in our country the
technocratic police state. What would you need if you were
planning on dropping a technocratic police state, surveillance system, a

(01:38:47):
Stazi system in our country, what would you need? You
would need politicians that will cooperate in your local communities.
You would need business people, influential business people that would cooperate.
How do you get the cooperation of all of those

(01:39:10):
people for that buildout.

Speaker 12 (01:39:13):
Yeah, yeah, you get them a compromise.

Speaker 13 (01:39:15):
So blackmail work like.

Speaker 12 (01:39:16):
Charm amen, that's absolutely right, or or.

Speaker 13 (01:39:19):
Not not just even sexual blackmail, but sexual initiation to
the club, to the treason club.

Speaker 12 (01:39:31):
That's really what it's what it feels like, isn't it
kind of an initiation type of thing? And and you
talked about the bipartisan nature of this cover up, and
I do call it a cover up. I think that's
pretty clear. Uh, you know, I I hear a lot,
Pete about people saying, well, if Trump was involved in this,
and I'm not saying he is or isn't. I wasn't there,

(01:39:53):
I don't know, but he certainly is acting guilty when
you see the cabinet meeting that took place in a
very public way where he is getting very defensive about
the question. You know, I can't believe you're still talking
about Epstein. Well why wouldn't we be talking about Epstein?
We haven't got any answers, But he's getting seemingly very

(01:40:13):
defensive on this issue, and so it looks guilty. It
doesn't have a good look, it doesn't have good optics.
But the point is is that this bipartisan effort. People
say that, well, if Trump was involved in this, then
certainly Biden and the Democrats would have exposed him by now,

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And I say, well, not so fast, because if they're
exposed to this could be a kind of like a
handshake type deal where I won't expose your crimes if
you don't expose mine. What do you think of that?

Speaker 37 (01:40:48):
Well, I think that's a very accurate assessment, because we
all know that if there was anybody that trafficked with
Jeffrey Epstein more than President Trump, it was President William
Jefferson Clinton. And so you know, there's plenty of Democratic
demons to be released from this cover up as well.

(01:41:10):
And you know, I think that the Democrats have plenty
to lose from an open and fulsome investigation. But we
as American public, we as a country that has a
certain image of itself as a nation that has some
kind of equal protection under the law for human beings,
right that doesn't allow the imposition of a techno fascist

(01:41:34):
state where wealthy people can simply come and take our
children because they know that they won't get punished for it,
which is what this also feels like to me. And
I think to others who are associated with Epstein Justice,
you know, and so at a certain point, we as
the American people have to say, enough is enough. We

(01:41:55):
have got to protect our children from people like this.
And you know, frankly, there has to be a more
frank and open discussion in this country about child sexual
abuse and child sex trafficking than there is now, and
more resources devoted to it. In twenty twenty three, there
was only ninety million dollars devoted to anti sex trafficking
efforts by the entire US federal government. And it's just

(01:42:17):
not a priority. And I think one of the reasons
why it's not a priority is the reasons that we're
talking about here. Is it possible that our own government
has been fully compromised by an intelligence agency or intelligence
agencies such that there are people that are unelected who
actually pull the strings on decision making. One could argue

(01:42:38):
that's one of the reasons why many of the policies
emerging from Washington all seem so unpopular. Have you ever
noticed that there's not a lot of legislation or policy
that comes out of DC that really reflects what the
people want? Why is that absolutely our own government isn't
listening to the people.

Speaker 12 (01:42:56):
Yeah, well it just goes right in line with what
you got to get to the bottom of this. Yeah,
what Chuck Schumer said something about if you go up
against the intelligence establishment, they have six ways from Sunday
to get back at you. And that's really what I
think we're dealing with. The question is looming large. Who
really is running things? Who's really running our country? You know,

(01:43:19):
we elect officials to go to Washington, d C. To
make decisions on our behalf. If they're being controlled and
their strings are being pulled behind the scenes by shady characters,
that when we don't even know who these people are
and we don't know what their motivations are.

Speaker 13 (01:43:35):
I think it's the military industrial complex, start with Lockheed
and Booz Allen Hamilton. But then there's also the internet
based tech companies like Google. They're the ones because imagine

(01:43:59):
for a second that our government officials challenge a company
like ch two M or something like that. They're the
ones that do the water systems. Now we know all

(01:44:20):
of those people work together. Now, what if they say
we're going to turn off your water, we're going to
turn off your electric, We're going to jam up your cities.
We're going to shut down the traffic systems in your cities.
Our country would be paralyzed. Yeah, right, yeah, what kind

(01:44:45):
of chaos? Now, that's all computer systems are dual use.
You can use them as a benefit, but you can
use them as a weapon. And the way that they've
implemented these systems in our country, and it was all
beginning in a time frame of the nineteen nineties, so

(01:45:10):
you can't even say it was always this way. It wasn't.

Speaker 12 (01:45:14):
Well, the Epstein scandal goes back almost that far to
the nineteen nineties, and right exactly, you know, I had
a thought and a non settling thought. Vicky was talking
about the computer systems that are involved in our enslavement. Pete,
what do you think of this push toward and certainly

(01:45:35):
the Trump administration is pushing this forward in a major way,
this cryptocurrency push. You know, it feels almost like to me,
this would be a way to more secretively traffic children
or engage in some kind of organized crime. How trackable

(01:45:59):
and traceable? I wonder, is all this cryptocurrency and these
systems that are going forward or trying to be pushed
forward to I don't know, maybe someday replace the dollar.

Speaker 13 (01:46:14):
You can't shut off a dollar. People can put a
dollar under their mattress, but cryptocurrency can be turned off.

Speaker 12 (01:46:23):
Yeah, that's true. What do you think of that, pit, Pete,
You got any thoughts on that?

Speaker 15 (01:46:28):
Well?

Speaker 37 (01:46:28):
It is well, I mean, I try to think of
myself as objective as I can be, because I'm a
former journalist that was an agricultural journalist in a previous light,
in addition to having a long military career. And you know,
I worked in rural America for a long time, and
I think I kind of get the pulse for Middle
America to a certain extent, and I feel like I

(01:46:49):
reflect those values myself. And all of that being said,
to me, it feels like an enormous scam, just a
giant way to take somebody. The whole, the whole process,
the whole thing that crypto seems to be based on
is the theory of the lesser fool. So, in other words,
if I buy in early enough, the price will rise

(01:47:11):
until some sucker buys in at a very high price
and I can sell minds, and and that leads to
a lot of what they call pump and dump schemes.
It seems like if we're going to base the American
economy on a pump and dump scheme, we are headed
for some enormous problems. That's my opinion on the crypto scheme.
And and and as to your point, you know, bitcoint

(01:47:34):
and other cryptocurrencies. To this point, the primary utilities that
I have seen thus far have been as a facilitator
of criminal transaction.

Speaker 10 (01:47:43):
We go and so.

Speaker 13 (01:47:45):
Uh.

Speaker 37 (01:47:46):
You know, they've made some people fabulously wealthy. But at
the end of the day, any product whose value is
ultimately based on a belief in its value, well what
happens when the belief in its value disappears value? You know,
the the idea that the the idea that the energy
expended on the compute to say, remind a bitcoin has value,

(01:48:10):
that's just lost energy.

Speaker 12 (01:48:12):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 37 (01:48:13):
That's a So I guess I fall in line with
Warren Buffett. And you know, I lived in Omaha for
a number of years. I actually Warren Buffett is such
a humble fellow that I literally ran into him a
couple of different times in Omaha just walking around the city.
That's wow, right, a couple of different times. And he
did you know, I saw him one day driving out

(01:48:34):
of his building. I lived close to there in a
condo one time, and he was alone in his gold Cadillac.
I waved at him, he waved at me, and he
drove on. Another time I ran into him at Nebraska
Furniture Mart, which he owns, and he was buying mattresses
for employees for Christmas. That's the kind of humble fellow
he is. But he also happens to be I think,
probably the most successful businessman in America ever that has

(01:48:58):
done so through traditional and legitimate means. His view of
cryptocurrencies are that there is no intrinsic value to them.

Speaker 12 (01:49:07):
There you go share his You so, I.

Speaker 37 (01:49:10):
Feel that, you know, the push forward its cryptocurrency is
going to benefit some people at the expense of a
lot of suckers.

Speaker 12 (01:49:18):
Yeah, I agree with you completely.

Speaker 37 (01:49:20):
Unfortunately, when that happens, it does run the risk of
probably taking the entire economy down with it. So again,
who's behind this? Why are we driving in this direction?

Speaker 15 (01:49:33):
We?

Speaker 37 (01:49:33):
You know, this ties back to the Jeffrey Epstein cover
up in my opinion, in that, you know, if we
institute systems that make it easier to pay people to
traffic children, that we are not tackling the problem in
the right way, and again we are not even at
the bottom of what happened thus far. I really implore

(01:49:57):
every listener to go to Epstein Justice, find out how
to reach out to your representatives, both in the House
and in the Senate, and say, listen, do you support
a congressional commission to investigate the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein
and his known associates? Yes?

Speaker 12 (01:50:13):
Or no?

Speaker 37 (01:50:13):
Get them on record.

Speaker 12 (01:50:15):
Yeah. Can you elaborate a little bit more on what
what what is Epstein Justice as an organization? Are you
a coalition of different groups or can you tell us
what Epstein Justice is.

Speaker 37 (01:50:30):
We're strictly a grassroots effort. We have no paid staff.
We're helmed by journalist Nick Bryant, who is I developed
a friendship with because my son who you know. I
mentioned I'm from Omaha, my son lives there, and he
said to me one time, have you ever heard of
the Franklin scandal? I said, you know, I might have
heard it, but you know, it didn't really ring a

(01:50:52):
bell for me. He said, you need to read The
Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant, And that was a child
sex trafficking ring that ran out of Omaha in the
in the late seventies and early to mid eighties up
into the up into the late eighties, and that did
not have a happy ending. That child sex trafficking ring
was successfully covered up. The only victim in the case

(01:51:15):
who wasn't killed or forced to recant, who the only
victim who didn't recant, who refused to recant, They trumped
up charges of perjury and had her convicted for perjury,
and she was essentially a political prisoner for almost nine years.
And she still has not recanted. And you know, so

(01:51:37):
that's that's a child sex trafficking case that had a
very unhappy ending. And go, by the way, there are
still plenty of people in Omaha who remember that and
can validate that and verify it.

Speaker 12 (01:51:47):
Yeah, and that went all the way to the White House,
the Reagan White House, as I recall at the time.
And it's really ironic, the most concent what's that.

Speaker 37 (01:51:58):
I said, It certainly did yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:52:00):
Uh and and one of the most uh, well, ironically,
one of the most conservative are considered to be conservative administrations.
In fact, Trump himself compares himself to Reagan. You know,
he he likes to be thought of as as as
Reaganite or reaganess. Uh so we we we associate sex

(01:52:22):
scandals with the Clinton White House, and and rightfully so
that's all we heard about for the entire time he
was in office. But yet, as you said, you know,
I can't stress the bipartisan nature of this. I think
it's extremely important and people that trying to make it
partisan do a tremendous disservice to the truth. This is very,

(01:52:43):
very important for everyone to look past picking a side
and seek the truth and come together as a nation
because ultimately the question of who who is governing our
country is really what? What the uh?

Speaker 21 (01:52:56):
What?

Speaker 12 (01:52:56):
What's at the root of this whole thing? You know,
Trump says he's willing to you release the grand jury
testimony in this Epstein case. You know, I don't see
that that's going to really do anything.

Speaker 14 (01:53:08):
Is it?

Speaker 12 (01:53:09):
Is that another diversionary tactic? Do you think.

Speaker 37 (01:53:13):
It's a totally diversionary tactic that the judge in the
case is already rejected and you know, grand jury is impaneled,
and you know it it has a legitimate legal purpose
in our system. But at the end of the day,
It's a well known statement that a competent prosecutor can
get a grand jury to indict a ham Sandwich, and
so I'm not sure there'd be much gained from grand

(01:53:34):
jury testimony if the judge was willing to release it,
which isn't there no obligation to do and probably won't.
So no, I don't think that that is that is
a legitimate call for disclosure. If you if the president
wanted these files disclosed, they would be disclosed tomorrow. You know,
them disclosed.

Speaker 12 (01:53:53):
I don't.

Speaker 37 (01:53:54):
I don't know why, but all I know is that
the only the only body in this country that conceivably
compel the executive branch to disclose them as Congress. And
so what I wanted to say about the Franklin scandal
is simply so I reached out to Nick after I
read the book. I was blown away and I just
wanted to talk to him about it. And he said, well,

(01:54:14):
if you thought the Franklin scandal was intriguing, you need
to hear about the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein. And he
is an absolute expert on this case, of course, and
is somebody that I knew when he said, hey, listen,
I can't let this go. We have to expose this.
I knew that as a US citizen and as a
former journalist, and as a human being and as a guide,

(01:54:35):
that I could see that Nick Brandt had the heart
of a champion, and I wanted to be associated with him.
And so I'm now an associate director at Epstein Justice,
and I'm urging every American to join us and demand
that your representatives demand the truth of the executive branch
about who's running our government and why Jeffrey Epstein was

(01:54:57):
able to essentially commit all of his crimes with all
of his associates largely unpunished. We need answers, amen, join
them and get them.

Speaker 12 (01:55:05):
Yeah. Absolutely, so that's what I do. Epstein Justice dot
com listeners, What were you saying, VICKI, This.

Speaker 13 (01:55:11):
Is not the country that I grew up in. You know,
it started changing in the nineteen nineties. That's when they
started the quote reinvention of government.

Speaker 12 (01:55:27):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (01:55:27):
And when when I say that, I mean it was
a real reinvention of government. They corporatized it. Yeah, so
there's no real difference between a corporate the organization of
a corporation, and our government. And since it's all done
with the technology. We have a technological stazzi police state. Yep,

(01:55:55):
that's what we have.

Speaker 12 (01:55:57):
Well, hey, I appreciate you Peachin for joining us. And
by the way, we do have Nick Bryant scheduled next
week on this very show, so he will be on
next week in the second hour, so we're looking forward
to visiting with him as well. Epstein Justice dot Com listeners,
go there and sign up, sign the petition and join forces.

(01:56:17):
We all need to demand answers, keep the pressure on,
keep the feet to the fire. Hey, thank you for
being with us, Pete. God bless you and we'll have
you back.

Speaker 37 (01:56:25):
Thanks, Oh my gosh, thanks for having me such a pleasure.
Great to be here and I'll join you anytime.

Speaker 12 (01:56:31):
All right, blessings to you. All right, we'll talk soon
and we'll be back here folks after the break.

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From FEMA Regions five and ten. This is the third
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I'm dre In Weeks. That continues to be the twenty
sixth of July twenty twenty five. As we get right
back into it here talking a little bit of this
hour about sustainable development, very important topic we've been talking
about for years and it just like the Epstein scandal

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that we were talking about last hour, sustainable development isn't
going away either. Certainly, this is an attack on our
private property rights, an attack really on our way of
life that has been brewing since well well below before
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way with President's Council and Sustainable Development. But this is
not just a private property rights attack. Its attack literally
on everything, our complete way of life, your individual liberty.
Nothing will be possible to do. You will not be
able to move or operate in a free society when
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the twenty first century. So it's well underway. As I
drive around and to different towns, even locally here and
see the stack them and pack them. Cities being developed.
You have the businesses on the ground floor, you have
the residential units above those businesses. Everything is within a

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short distance walkable cities they like to call them, but
they have different names for them, but ultimately it's the
same thing, same cookie cutter model everywhere.

Speaker 13 (02:06:55):
So much easier to control people when they're all herded
into cities. Yeah, and they can't.

Speaker 12 (02:07:04):
Leave centrally located. So one of the people that are
really fighting and trying to educate people, organize people to
fight against these plans is Tom Dewis of the American
Policy Center, and he's joining us this hour. Tom's been
a businessman, grassroots activist, writer, and publisher for over fifty years.

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He's traveled the country extensively educating and organizing Americans to
defend their property rights and to expose the dangers of
sustainable development. Agenda twenty one now being repackaged somewhat as
Agenda twenty thirty, but it's still Agenda twenty one. But Tom,
thank you for being with us again. On Governed America.

Speaker 40 (02:07:45):
Well, thank you so much. It's good to be with
you guys. Thank you.

Speaker 12 (02:07:48):
So, you know, in the first hour we were talking
about this UNESCO pull out. I wonder if you have
any thoughts on that. Supposedly the Trump administration is trying
to pull the United States out of UNESCO, since Education,
Scientific and Cultural Organization, but since the Senate had ratified it. Uh,
you know, it seems like this is kind of like

(02:08:09):
a symbolism over substance kind of move to solidify the
base behind him, because ultimately, if the next president is
a Democrat, we're going to end up right back in it,
just to just the way it was when the during
the first administration and I think it's twenty seventeen, he
pulled us out, we ended up back into it into

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it again. So, uh, it would be nice to have
some of these things codified. Uh, you know, it would
be nice to have Congress is specifically the Senate reverse
course on a lot of this stuff, wouldn't it, Yeah, I.

Speaker 40 (02:08:44):
Would You know, Ronald Reagan pulled us out of that
and George W. Bush put us back in, and so
it's a yo yo, you know, back and back and forth.
But UNESCO is the real route of the education system,
you know, Jimmy Carter putting the Department of Education together.
But these ideas where they they literally said flat out

(02:09:07):
that they weren't going to teach anymore you know about
our our our history of our nation, what our system is,
or what our founders and all that, what their beliefs were.
This was globalism. We're not going to speak We're not
going to teach Americanism. We're going to teach globalism. And
UNESCO is the root of that. And you know what
they do is they get our kids to not know

(02:09:30):
anything about our history, about why our founders took the
positions they did, our sovereignty, our protections or property rights,
all of that kind of thing. And they they have
these poor kids who are just victims of it that
they become what I call global village idiots. They don't
know anything except the propaganda they put on them.

Speaker 12 (02:09:51):
Yeah, yeah, good way of putting it.

Speaker 14 (02:09:53):
You know.

Speaker 12 (02:09:54):
The uh, the thing that I see that they're teaching
now in both in the grade school classrooms and also
in the college campuses is really it's all about social
justice these days. It's about fighting for equity, something they
call equity, which is really I think institutionalized racism, if

(02:10:15):
you want to know my honest opinion about it. It's
bringing up others. You know, they're saying that they don't
we don't start in the same place. Some people are behind,
so we have to do extra for them. It kind
of reminds me of animal farm, you know, George Orwell's
animal farm, where all are equal, but some are more

(02:10:35):
equal than others. That's that's pretty much my definition of
social justice. What do you think?

Speaker 40 (02:10:43):
I totally agree with you absolutely. You know, you talk
about the sustainable development and sustainable development this is from
the UN It comes from talks about the three e's ease,
our economic prosperity, social equity, and ecological integ Those are
the three things that come out of this that controls

(02:11:04):
every aspect of our lives. And uh, you know what
what they've done in putting all this together, I've always
called them absolutely diabolical and doing this.

Speaker 10 (02:11:15):
Uh.

Speaker 40 (02:11:15):
The example I've always used is when when other forces
in the past and history wanted to control the world
or control you know, whatever they were trying to control,
what they would do is put together an army they
would go and invade. They would subjugate people and they'd control.
These guys have figured out how to get us to

(02:11:35):
voluntarily surrender our liberties because of fear, the fear of
what environmental armageddon. And I've had these environmentals get in
my face. It doesn't matter how many rights you think
you have if you don't have a planet to stand on.
So that fear factor, and that's that's the ecological integrity
that is part of the three ease two is the

(02:11:57):
main force they used to put this global control in place.
And then you start to look at their other plans
and you know Agenda twenty thirty, which is the same
thing as Agenda twenty one. They just got more detail,
seventeen goals of what they intend to do. Well, only
one of them has anything to do with the environment.
The rest of them are about our economics and you know,

(02:12:21):
our property rights and all these kind of things. It's
absolute total control from the top.

Speaker 12 (02:12:27):
Yeah, has any situation gotten any better since they put
out the sustainable development goals? I mean, as I see it,
world poverty is only worsened, you know, women and children,
you go down the list, I don't see that they've
really solved any problems. But I guess that's kind of
the point, isn't it. Well, they can't use the problem.

Speaker 40 (02:12:50):
They made up the problems. They made up the problems,
that's the problem, and we didn't have a problem with that.
But they see private property and free enterprise as a
problem against social equity, and it's just you know, there's
now an attack going across the country in single family neighborhoods.
There's there are zoning protections and single family neighborhoods in

(02:13:11):
most places where it says you can't put up a
bunch of businesses and you can't put up apartment buildings
and you know, things like that because it affects the
property values. The people chose that home to for what
they wanted it to be and where they wanted to live,
and the founders all talked about private property ownership is

(02:13:33):
how the average person can build their own personal wealth,
and that's what people have been doing. And now they're saying, well,
that's just racist, that that's using that zoning protections keeping
them from having to live next to people they don't
want to live next to. And then they bring out
the example of the people who live in the public

(02:13:54):
housing and what a mess they are and you know
the here you have a situation where the air conditioning
doesn't work, the windows are broken, you've got the prostitutes,
you've got the drug dealers, you've got the gangs all
there controlling everything. And that is those people who live
in those areas have a right to have the nice
living conditions that those people in those single family neighborhoods live.

(02:14:16):
So we need to move Section eight housing and so
forth up into those neighborhoods so we're all equal, you know.

Speaker 12 (02:14:24):
Yeah, isn't it isn't it interesting that the most affluent
neighborhoods though, still don't seem to have those you know
the people.

Speaker 40 (02:14:31):
Is that interesting?

Speaker 12 (02:14:32):
Yeah, they won't move them in their own backyard.

Speaker 40 (02:14:36):
Exactly, but they What happens is the property values start
to plummet, and so the people living there think I've
got to get out of here, I've got to get in,
and they sell their homes for a song to try
to move on. And corporations like Blackrock, who are behind
all of this, move in buy that property for a
song and then they get they make millions building the

(02:14:59):
high and everything else that goes in there.

Speaker 12 (02:15:03):
Yeah, you know that's I'm glad you brought that up,
that the consolidation under Blackrock buying up all these single
family dwellings and all of that. Do you see any
end in sight? I mean, this is a company that
has literally unlimited funds because they have our retirement funds. Uh,
they have Basically if you could, you can go to

(02:15:25):
Yahoo Finance and type in any company in the US
and probably the world, and and and black Rock, State
Street and h Vanguard are the ones that own you know,
one of those three companies has the majority share and
the other two aren't far behind. So I mean they
have just about unlimited funds to buy up housing. And

(02:15:48):
unfortunately there's no more you know, once the land is
all off limits to to to us, there's not any
more that's being made. So we're kind of in a
situation where we're run out of places to live. You know,
we got pipelines going in, We have more and more
conservation easements being put on property. You know, people really

(02:16:12):
need to wake up, don't they.

Speaker 40 (02:16:14):
They absolutely do. I mean Blackrocks got assets in the
trillions and that You're absolutely right, that is the one
of the most dangerous forces we have going on. Now.
You look at all these different projects and you black
rocks somewhere behind it. They have this agenda and they
are moving on it. I think one of the biggest
problems we have is we haven't yet really put the

(02:16:36):
target on them, the spotlight, so that people really know
that that's what it is. And I talk a lot
about mngos, don governmental organizations and so forth as being
the target. But I'm going to need to push that
up too, because it's that is the you know, the
real problem behind all this. And they are controlling the politicians,

(02:16:57):
they're controlling the policies all the put the power in
their in their pockets.

Speaker 12 (02:17:02):
Yeah, I've advocated, go ahead, VICKI, you're going to say something.

Speaker 13 (02:17:06):
Oh I was going to say. And I do believe
that they're the ones that are supporting gangsters from Mexico
and South America coming into our country because when you
have a group of gangsters move into your neighborhood, they
bring violence to your neighborhood and you can't sell your

(02:17:27):
property fast enough to get the heck out of there,
so they buy it cheap.

Speaker 12 (02:17:34):
Yeah, you know, that's the thing that important for us
to be able to live in rural areas. I mean
when you recall that the whole Black Lives Matter and
the whole Antifa outbreak or riots, the riots that spread
the nation during near to or right around two thousand.

(02:17:54):
What was going on. You had all these people in
the cities in this you know, the areas where they're
putting a lot of this sustainable housing, they were being
torn up, they were being torched. These these mobs were
going down the streets and literally, I mean domestic terrorists,
international terrorists, whatever the case. I mean, the bricks were

(02:18:17):
there waiting for them in many cases, but these people
were going through and and wreaking havoc upon the population
and upon businesses, including so called minority businesses. You know.
So Michelle and I were watching this, In fact, my
wife were. She was watching video after video after video.
I don't know how she stood it. I can't take it,

(02:18:39):
but she this was really a big awakening for her
in a lot of respects because this really, I mean,
when your safety is involved, it's hard not to pay attention.
And I remember being very grateful at the time as
I was outside working on, you know, building a chicken coop,

(02:19:00):
very grateful for being able to be in the rural area.
Yet you know I've mentioned before on the show tom
My house is situated on the maps. If you look
at the county maps or the township map where they
have the comprehensive plan, it's listed in parks and recreation
on the map. So I think people in the rural

(02:19:21):
areas really need to attend their meetings locally, and they
need need to get involved and find out where their house,
where are they in the plan? What do you think
of that?

Speaker 40 (02:19:33):
Yeah, there's so much to address in all of that.
You know that what's going on is going on in
those cities and so forth. That did help to get
people a lot of people to start to look at
it and say, golly, what's going on here who in
the past hadn't really paid much attention. So that's helpful.

(02:19:54):
The farming area that rural areas are absolutely targeted. I
mean it started. One thing the Biden administration did was
put together the thirty by thirty Plan, which really was
calling to take fifty percent of the land in this
country and make it unlivable, make it is locked away
from any personal use. Private properties. Protections have been under

(02:20:19):
attack so many ways, and the farmers absolutely are under
attack in so many different ways, and you know, I
feel it for them because they are all they want
to do is farm. They're not they don't want to
be political people. They just want to farm, right, and
they divide and conquer on these guys they come up
to them. First of all, they've put in regulations for

(02:20:42):
sustainable practices for farming, and when they make them do that,
they have to lock away certain parts of their fields
so it stays open space. They can only have so
many cattle. They all kinds of things like that that
they do, which makes it much more difficult for the
farmers to earn a living, to make a profit. And
so now they're hurting for money. And then these guys

(02:21:04):
come along and say, well, we want to put a
solar farm in your yard and we're going to pay
us some money for it. And a pharmacy is golleing.
What can I do? I need the money, but it
it takes out more of their farmland to be able
to be used. So they're alone and they're intimidated by this.
And what I'm trying to do is help rally people

(02:21:24):
to come to their support. We have to. It's our
food supply, and you know, this is all it's all
part of it.

Speaker 12 (02:21:32):
Yeah. One of the things that you were talking about
the restrictions placed on farmers. I remember covering on this
show several years ago, how they are, we're putting restrictions
on their ability to till their soil because they said
that tilling the soil actually releases too much carbon that
seequestered in the ground. So they had to resort to

(02:21:54):
shallow basically shallow plowing or shallow tilling the ground so
that they didn't release the carbon. I mean, it's just
absolutely mind blowing. I don't know these some of these people.
You think about that, you imagine that they're sitting in
their think tanks dreaming up all these stupid ideas, uh,
and just laughing their heads off at the general population

(02:22:17):
that they bought that one too. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 40 (02:22:22):
Yeah, but that's absolutely true. And they are sitting in
these think tanks thinking this stuff up because the goal
here is not to protect the environment. The goal is
global control, global governance. And you have to understand that
fact before any of the rest of this makes any sense.
And I can take you. You mentioned about under sustainable

(02:22:46):
and stuff, they never solved any problems, and I said
that they you know, they make up the problems. That's
absolutely true. You can take every single, practically every single
environmental program that they're trying to put into place to
save the environment and find out that it does more
damage to the environment than anything man has ever thought
of in the past. Example, wind and solar. Wind and

(02:23:09):
farms produce let next to nothing in the way of energy.
Yet the wind farms, the big blades on the things,
this stuff only last like five or six years and
maybe ten if you're lucky, and then they've got to
replace it all. Well, where do those old blades go.

(02:23:30):
They're not degradable. They fill up the landfills. While you
have to recycle everything you do to protect the environment.
They do this. The second thing on of course, on
the wind farms, they also kill the birds like crazy,
so will nothing be flying to cover it with. Picture
If they succeed in turning all of our energy into

(02:23:51):
wind and solar and there's no other source of it,
you will have You can already see photographs of solar
farms that go on as far as the eye can see.
Scientific reports are now coming out that when you have
that massive number of these plastic panels covering everything, it

(02:24:12):
is changing the atmosphere over that area. It is making
the storm stronger, the tornadoes and so forth. And now
they've found it's also starting to cause warming. This is
what we're dealing with. This wind and solar need to
be banned. They are destroying the environment with this. They

(02:24:35):
are and destroying the farmland with it, and it is
producing If we had nothing but that to produce the
energy we need, we would have between four and ten
percent of what we need.

Speaker 12 (02:24:45):
Do you remember the I think it was called the
Evanpah Solar Power Facility. It was I think it was
in the California Mohave Desert. This is the one that
was put into a place I think during the Obama
administration is a energy secretary or something, I forget his name,
but this thing was estimated to have killed like six

(02:25:05):
thousand birds a year. As a matter of fact, they
were when they were commissioning it. We talked about it
on the show at the time. They actually they had
the press out there and they were holding a press
conference and behind them they could see the birds. It
was like a World War two war going on with
the pilots of the aircraft, but only they were birds

(02:25:25):
catching on fire. Because these mirrors. They had all these
mirrors in the desert that were concentrating their beam at
this tower, and so birds would fly through there and
try to go after insects or what have you, and
they would catch their feathers would catch on fire because
it was all concentrating the sun. I guess finally they

(02:25:47):
decommissioned this thing. But this is how ridiculous this stuff
gets sometimes.

Speaker 40 (02:25:53):
Yeah, and I you know the other thing that I
kind of jokingly talk about when I speak. You know,
first of all, I asked my audience, is how many
of you are going to go along with their edict
that you have to eat bugs? Hand in the room
goes up, you know, and I start talking about how
when they have this kind of control over our farmland,
over the entire economy and our businesses, everything, they will

(02:26:18):
dictate what you have to eat and the you know,
when you talk about the bugs here, you have all
these solar panels out there, and underneath nothing is growing
except bugs. Oh, now we know why they call them
solar farms. Underneath.

Speaker 12 (02:26:39):
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Speaker 12 (02:31:15):
We're in the home stretch of the broadcast. One more
half hour to go here on govern America and we
sun set another one. Visiting with Tom Deluiez of the
American Policy Center. Americanpolicy dot org is his website. And Tom,
you were talking about before the break, this push for
insects as a dietary thing. You know, I know, I'm

(02:31:36):
seeing this more and more in the media. They're talking
about oh, luxury. Oh, it's exquisite. You know, they're really
packaging this, uh, these talking points and in news stories
and what have you, to try to make it look
like this is some high scale, upscale a thing, and
only the only the finest food choices are on the menu.

(02:32:00):
When you're eating insects and bugs, I think I'll pass.
I don't think I'm interested in. It's either that or
the synthetic beef. You know they're pushing there's the other part.
Go ahead, of course.

Speaker 40 (02:32:15):
Who's behind the synthetic beef? Bill Gates now the largest
landowner in America. He is buying up farmland like crazy
and pushing this kind of stuff. And the you know,
they're they're pushing the insects thing and all that because
they have on the other the thing that they're saying

(02:32:37):
all the time, of course, is that the cattle are
you know, creating the changing the environmental damage the environment
and all that. And none of it's true, absolutely none
of it's true. But that's all the goal to get
rid of that and get you to eat the insects instead.
And I keep thinking, you know, don't insects have families,

(02:32:58):
don't take care to them? I see when they come
in my room and I walk across as they run
like they want to save their life. So they must
have some feelings.

Speaker 12 (02:33:09):
Yeah, exactly. Well you come after more with a fly
swater and then you'll not feed. It's almost like they know,
and then you put the fly swater away, and well
look there he is again. But I've never desired to
have on my diet as a part of the diet.
You know, I just really wonder what you know. In fact,

(02:33:30):
we know. Maurice Strong came out in nineteen ninety two
of the United Nations Conference on Environment Development. That conference
which unveiled Agenda twenty one for the world. It is
clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent
middle class involving high meat intake, and there it is
high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen inconvenience foods,

(02:33:52):
use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and workplace air conditioning,
and suburban housing are not sustainable. A shift is necessary
toward lifestyles less geared to environmentally damaging consumption patterns. Well,
the problem is is that what they have envisioned for
us is a substantial lessoned lifestyle to the point where

(02:34:16):
I mean, I don't think they're going to be satisfied
until we're all living in mud huts, no freedom, no ability,
there's certainly no luxuries. Yet they're going to continue to
fly their jets and go to their expensive conferences, you know,
in various places around the world, because that's very apparent
by their actions. I mean Al Gore, look how many
miles he puts on his jets, you know, and and

(02:34:39):
and same for all the people that go to all
these global conferences all the time. You can go to
the uh, right, you can go to and pull up
the meeting minutes of all these different world conferences and
see the progress that they're making. They're they're they're they're doing.
Uh it's called the Earth Negotiations bulletin. Everybody can go
and look that up and see all the different conferences

(02:35:02):
that the globalists are putting together and they're negotiating amongst
the countries to basically do away with off freedom for
anyone on the planet.

Speaker 13 (02:35:14):
Yeah, that's the objective, the end of humanity really, because
the very wealthy people, they are the ones that are
actually controlling the technocratic tyranny, and they're using the technology

(02:35:37):
and the technology and the environment to herd people into
basically pens. You know that are cities, but they're basically
human pens, and they're not going to continue with the

(02:35:58):
upkeep of people in pens. So you can see what
fate is going to be for people if you just
use your brain a little bit.

Speaker 12 (02:36:11):
Yeah. You know, we were talking earlier in the show
here about UNESCO and the pullout or alleged pull out
that the administration is, you know, has has fomented, for
lack of a better way of saying it, you wrote
in your article Tom, individual choice versus Government Tyranny about

(02:36:32):
how you had this debate in two thousand and six
at Cambridge University and there was a great Britain parliamentarian there,
president of the Liberal Democrats party, Simon Hughes. He got
up in your face and openly admitted that he believes
in the redistribution of wealth. And all these people pushing
sustainable development, that's what it's really about, isn't it. It's

(02:36:54):
a redistribution of wealth and these are the people that
are the Yeah, go.

Speaker 40 (02:36:58):
Ahead, yeah, Well, just you know, as I said in
the in the article that here you have people who
have hopes and goals and dreams of their life. That
what they want to do. And they go out and
they work hard, they try to put money away for
uh to achieve that goal and it's theirs, you know,
and a long comes a politician and uh, he says, well,

(02:37:20):
we'll take half redistribution of wealth. And what you're gonna
do with that half is now you're gonna give to
people who have never earned anything and never even tried.
And uh, you know, poverty grows and poverty grows, and uh,
as I said in the article, you know, the these
are the same tactics that mafia has used all these years.
Go in and say, you know, they go into neighborhoods,

(02:37:42):
they go into businesses and stuff, give us our payment
every month, will take half, and we arrest them for that.
But these guys come in and they they the problem
because they are a government. They say, well, well this
is legal, now we'll take it.

Speaker 6 (02:37:57):
It all.

Speaker 40 (02:37:57):
They're all at the point of a gun and it
all the on who's holding the gun, whether it's legal
or not.

Speaker 12 (02:38:03):
Yeah, it's called social justice. That is really the definition
of social justice. It's theft. It's theft. And uh, but
the question I've got is how do we reach the
next generation because as you talk about Columbia University and
or I'm sorry Cambridge and uh, but but all across
the country, our country, and really universities and college systems

(02:38:26):
around the world, really more and more they're teaching this
Marxist socialist redistribution of the wealth, uh idea that you know,
we can we can socialize all property and everybody would
be much better off because of it. And my concern
is is that if we don't reach the next generation,

(02:38:48):
I mean, they're already buying into much of this, but
I think the facts really are on our side. I'm wondering,
you know, how we can reach them with the truth
and educate them more. Uh, and in order to kind
of preserve at least maintain some ground, if not gain
ground in terms of of property rights and warding off

(02:39:11):
a lot of these attacks.

Speaker 40 (02:39:15):
Yeah, it's uh that absolutely has to be done. If
you know, we lose this whole generation, then how do
you ever go back? How do you turn it around?
And once it's all gone? Uh? And I will tell
you this, I am. I am hearing some reports that
especially young men in high school today are starting to

(02:39:36):
become much more aware and more supportive of free market ideas.

Speaker 14 (02:39:42):
Uh.

Speaker 40 (02:39:43):
And I think Charlie.

Speaker 12 (02:39:44):
Kirk, whoops, did I lose him? I don't know what
happened here. Oh, let me see if I can get
him back. I'm not quite sure what happened here.

Speaker 13 (02:39:56):
I guess I guess he said a magic.

Speaker 12 (02:40:00):
I think he was going to talk about Charlie Kirk
in Turning Point USA. And I know Charlie has done
a lot of good work in terms of of reaching uh,
the young people. I'll tell you what. Let me uh,
let me just go ahead. And uh, since we're talking
about private property rights, we have a governor in New

(02:40:20):
York that is the favorite to win in that race.
This is the thing that should concern everyone is that
he's he's in the he's he's favored too to end
up winning the New York mayorial race. And he's a

(02:40:41):
he's a flat out communist. Yeah, here he is.

Speaker 13 (02:40:45):
He's a democratic socialist. But there's really no different difference.
And you know when that started again, going back to
the Clinton administration, the Technocrat leaders there were first the
Atari Democrats, which included al Gore, Sam Nunn. That there's

(02:41:09):
a list of them, and then they formed the Democrat
Leadership Council, you know, which were politicians and executives of
the Democrat Party that led the reinvention of government. And
then after that they came up with the Third Way.

(02:41:31):
Third Way was a philosophy of government based on what
information systems. I think, redesign of government, implementing information systems
as management tools.

Speaker 12 (02:41:49):
Yeah, I think we got I think we got Tom back. Sorry, Tom,
are you there?

Speaker 40 (02:41:55):
Yeah, all of a sudden, I was in the out
outer space.

Speaker 12 (02:41:58):
Yeah, I don't know what happened there.

Speaker 13 (02:42:00):
I think it was because he said Charlie.

Speaker 12 (02:42:04):
Yeah, you were just getting ready to talk about Charlie
Kirkirk at Turning Point USA, going around to all these
college campuses and talking to the youth. You want to
elaborate on that, Yeah, Well, I.

Speaker 40 (02:42:15):
Mean he's having a lot of success really confronting and
exposing these policies and and showing these poor kids that
come in and try to debate with them, but they're
growing with he's putting on. He puts on events with
five thousand young people at a time, does it several
times a year, So that is a you know, I
think that's a very encouraging thing. I'm hearing more and

(02:42:38):
more about how younger particularly boys in the high schools,
are are starting to turn their their attitudes and they're
looking and thinking, what's what's the hope for my future?
And that's a very positive thing. So we need to
do more of that. We need to get more involved.
And one of the time, when I go around and
speak around the country, half the time somebody will stand

(02:43:00):
up and say, look, how many gray heads there are
in this room. Where are the young people? And they're right,
you know, we've got to get the young people involved.
I think about when I got started, I was eighteen
years old getting involved in things, and one thing led
to another because I was involved. And we've got to
do that with the kids, and we you know, they're

(02:43:21):
victims and if they don't have the right attitudes right now,
if they don't understand this stuff, we need to teach
it to them and encourage them. One of the ways
we can do that is as we are organizing locally,
and this is one of the things I'm really working on.
I call it building freedom pods in your own community
and doing research and getting the information out and so forth.

(02:43:43):
Using social media. If you've got some young people that
you can get in there to help you set up
the social media. They're involved and they're going to learn
by what you bring out there. So that's one of
the things that we can do. We absolutely have to
have to get them, you know, involved in what we're doing.

Speaker 12 (02:43:58):
Yeah, that's a good idea. I asked them for assistance, Hey,
can you help me build this site, and residually while
they're working on whatever project that you asked them to
help you with. Uh, they're they're exposed to the information
and they're learning from it. That's a great idea. Yeah,
there a lot of I know, a lot of people

(02:44:19):
are you know, they're just so involved in their lives.
It's so difficult to focus on one thing, you know,
and focus on certainly government, and it's so easy to
just let that go. And that's really what we're how
we got to the point where we are right now.
But I think if people just started attending their local meetings,

(02:44:42):
you know, and and kind of paying attention. Start by
going to your your county and your township or whatever
the local government is, and and and just pulling up
the comprehensive plans. They publish a lot of this stuff
right out in the open, don't they.

Speaker 40 (02:44:58):
They're very open right there. And what I run into
is that people who who believe in limited government believe
that because they don't want government involved in every part
of their life. We don't like that. We're not government fans.
We need government in certain ways, but it needs to
be a certain way, and you know that the people control.

(02:45:20):
And so we the idea of going to a city council,
median account commissioned. Oh oh, give me a headache. You know,
I got kids to raise, I've got a family, I've
got a job to work. I haven't got time for that.
And so what happens is that we're not involved. They're
not hearing from us, they're getting no pressure from us

(02:45:40):
in that. This is my my what I'm focusing on
in the freedom of Hottish idea that we have to
have a permanent infrastructure. The worst thing we can do
is sit around and do absolutely nothing, and then something
bad comes up and then we think, well, we got
to do something about this, and now we're trying to
call people and ask questions and time you've done all that,

(02:46:01):
They've already got it in place, a permanent infrastructure that's
doing that research. As you're saying, the comprehensive plan will
tell you all kinds of things and what's going on
in the community, who's behind it, how they're operating. But
what people don't understand is there are thousands of these
non governmental organizations working from the World Economic Forum, the

(02:46:21):
U and others. They are surrounding your elected officials and
they're they're bringing them sample legislation, they're bringing them grant programs,
and that's the cancer putting it all in place. And
then we come in. Maybe one or two people manage
to walk in and say something, and the NGOs are
whispering in. The elected officials ears, guys, nuts, don't pay

(02:46:42):
attention to them. Now we've got non elected regional councils
that are bringing all of this in, and you've got
elected officials sitting there, people you elected to run your
community the way you want it run. Now they're saying,
oh well, the council says, wait a minute, who do
you represent. These are the pressures that they have got
to start to feel from us. And this is what

(02:47:05):
I've been working on for all these years. And I
learned that if property rights are protected, sustainable development policies
can't be put in place. You can stop that. And
so that's why I made that my focus on everything.

Speaker 12 (02:47:21):
Yeah, I think people need to really understand how a
lot of these meetings work. You know, when they get
into these meetings, I mean it's a dialogue to consensus,
it's a you know, in many ways, they use the
del Phi technique. They get them in there and try
to marginalize the people. Like you said, when you walk in,
they whisper in ther ear, Hey, they're nuts. Well, when

(02:47:41):
they divide you into groups and they're trying to each
with each group having its own facilitator and trying to
steer the conversation in a certain direction, and you know
what's going on, and you get loud about it or
argumentive about it, and they try to marginalize you. You know,
it's important to understand, and I think how to resist

(02:48:02):
these types of manipulative measures, isn't it.

Speaker 40 (02:48:07):
Absolutely? And then there's all kinds of programs that they're
putting in place. And you know, I'll let me share
something with you. When they talk about doing a comprehensive
plan for the community, we didn't used to have comprehensive
plans for it. We elected local representatives to run the
community the way we wanted to run it, in a
very limited way. But today every community is doing their

(02:48:30):
own comprehensive plan and when they'll tell you, well, we
need to do that because we want to make sure
we don't have chaotic growth in the future. I found
this quote. Let me share this with you. See if
this doesn't sound familiar, the chaotic growth of cities will
be replaced by a dynamic system of urban settlement. The
region is formed by the economic interdependence of its development.

(02:48:53):
The region has a single system of transportation, a centralized administration,
and a reunited system of educate and research. This was
written in nineteen sixty eight by a Soviet Russian architect
named Alexey Gutinov in a document entitled The Ideal Communist City. Wow,
that is what our elected officials are doing without even

(02:49:16):
knowing it.

Speaker 12 (02:49:17):
Yeah, well, I think some of them actually do know it,
you know, increasingly, Yeah, you have overt communists running things.
I mean, look at that Mam Danny guy in New
York who's favored to be the mayor there. What do
you think of that? Tom? I mean, this is a
guy that comes out right you know, overtly, he's against

(02:49:38):
property rights, he's four socialized control of everything. It's remarkable.

Speaker 40 (02:49:47):
What I see from that. I am hearing in a
lot of conservative media people thinking, oh, the Democrats are done.
They haven't got an idea, they haven't got a plan,
they can't talk to the people, and they're not going
to get another person elected. And then you see this happening,
and you see the guy running for the mayor of Minneapolis,

(02:50:07):
same thing, and around, Uh, my greatest fear.

Speaker 12 (02:50:12):
What is about the governor of Minnesota tampon? Tim? Yeah,
you know here, here's a blatant communist. Anyway, go ahead,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 40 (02:50:20):
Absolutely the Uh. What what I'm seeing is so many
good patriotic people are saying, well, thank goodness for Donald Trump.
He's taking care of this. I don't have to worry
about it anymore. That is my greatest fear. People do
that and back off. These people, these these leftists, they

(02:50:41):
never ever give up. They are dedicated to their agenda.
Nothing will stop them from moving it forward. And we
have got to organize at the local level. If if
Trump is doing some good things at the top, but
we have got to do it at the local level.
The two can meet up and join, but uh, we
and not sit back and say, oh, he's going to

(02:51:02):
take care of it because you will lose.

Speaker 12 (02:51:04):
Well, that's that's just it. And the thing is is, yes,
he has done some good things at the top, but
he also has promoted and put forth the idea of
freedom cities, which is just a renaming of the same
sustainable development cities that you know we're talking about here.
So that's the thing that's the problem, the pitfall of

(02:51:24):
trusting people to do the job for you. You got
a hold of feet to the fire, don't you.

Speaker 40 (02:51:31):
Yeah, you know. And Donald Trump's a good guy, but
you know, he comes from a business situation and hasn't
been a grown up in a you know, studying liberty
all of his life like a lot of us have,
and understanding the philosophy and all of that. And he
he can be misled in things people give, Oh, that
sounds a good idea, and so there are concerns there,

(02:51:55):
but that if we are putting the pressure on at
the local community, if we are protecting property rights at
the local community, that moves up. And one of the
things I know, people get very intimidated by how massive
government is, and it is massive. But in state legislatures
passing legislation saying well, communities can't have property rights protection,

(02:52:20):
We've got to do that from a state level, and
things like that. I've seen that happening. But if you
would have five or ten communities that would get together
and pass the same property rights legislation, the state government
would back off. I've seen it happen. And so with
a sense if ten states did it, stood up and
said no, we're not going to comply with that. And

(02:52:42):
that's a tactic that I'm really starting to push as
the best I can, because I see that how they
will back off on a lot of these things if
they see the opposition. They're not used to the opposition.

Speaker 12 (02:52:53):
Yeah, so yeah, exactly, they've gotten spoiled because most of
the conservatives have put their pants on every day and
gone to work and they haven't been the activists. And
and that's why liberty requires eternal, eternal vigilance, and if
we don't, if we aren't vigilant, we're not going to
have liberty. And so that's that's really where the battle

(02:53:16):
lines are are being drawn. Hey, we're almost out of time, Tom,
I thank you so much. For being with us. Uh,
you know, I wanted to get into damn removal, and
I think we've been so involved in everything else that
we haven't even brought brought up the topic. But real
quickly we're I know that the Klamath Dam was removed,

(02:53:37):
there's a number of other things, proposals for dams to
be removed around the country and even around the world.
What do you see on that front is is that
like a big giant battleground that's brewing. Are we in
a full scale war now.

Speaker 40 (02:53:57):
Pushing for this? They've been pushing for this for quite
a while. And uh, this all goes back to that
whole idea of we've got to move out any any
changes humans have made here to the environment, and uh,
you know in the past and in the beginning when
when we began to develop our cities and put the

(02:54:18):
dams together to supply the water supply and all of that. Uh,
you know, they're not hurting anything doing that. They are
they are actually improving and many times a lot of
the stuff. But they've made up all kinds of lies
about how it hurts the fish or it hurts the
wild animals, and what they're trying to do and that
sort of thing. But what happens is tear down the dams.

(02:54:40):
There's no room for man to be there. And uh,
this isn't this is part of the project to the
process to get humans off the rural areas and hurt
it into the into the cities where they can control
their energy, use their uh, transportation, how they live, what
we eat and all that. That is all part is
that the dams are the source. Wait here you have

(02:55:04):
in you in California is tearing all these dams down.
They have to import their water, they have to import
their energy because they're gone to the electricity, to the
solar stuff.

Speaker 12 (02:55:14):
Yeah, think about that, a state that literally butts up
against the Pacific Ocean having to import water. It's just incredible. Hey,
thank you so much for being with us. God bless you.

Speaker 40 (02:55:26):
Tom.

Speaker 12 (02:55:27):
We'll certainly get you back. Always enjoy Vicky ed closing shots.

Speaker 14 (02:55:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (02:55:31):
I was gonna say, Tom, tell us your website where
people can find you.

Speaker 40 (02:55:38):
Our website is Americanpolicy dot org.

Speaker 12 (02:55:41):
Are we there, yes, yes, okay, Americanpolicy.

Speaker 40 (02:55:47):
Dot organ and we have one there. We put together
a handbook local activist handbook really is teaching people how
to organize locally and give them a lot of the
background information and tools, sample legislation and everything, so it's
you get that on our website.

Speaker 12 (02:56:01):
Are very good. Hey, thank you so much. We'll definitely
do this again. Always enjoy visiting with you. Thank you
listeners for being with us. Pray for this republic, do
what you can to restore it. God blessed you, you
and every one of you, and we'll talk to you soon.
Bye bye and thanks Vicky, thank you, thank you. Rick

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