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July 11, 2025 54 mins

In this episode of the Granta Podcast we speak to Tao Lin, the author of ten books, including Leave Society and Taipei.

We discuss two of Tao Lin’s recent essays, ‘My Spiritual Evolution’, and ‘Gian’, which appeared in Granta 171: Dead Friends, as well as the effects of psychedelics and the possibilities of reincarnation.


Leo Robson is a cultural journalist whose work has appeared in the London Review of Books, the New Yorker, and the New Left Review, among other publications. He is the author of The Boys (2025).

Josie Mitchell is senior editor at Granta

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