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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, Nigel Hammer's out. The gun guy, Guy Rufford licensed
Firearms instructor to a attorney filling in and whenever he
fills in, we like to do ask the gun guy
where you call in and have any type of questions
relating to law enforcement guns, Second Amendment and I'll let
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you take it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You got the phone bank, you got the names right
there in front of you, two three nine ninety three
if you'd like to call in.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Absolutely, we still do have a phone line or two
open so people can call. Let's go over to the
phone lines and Jim Jim, thanks for calling him or
Nigel which got Hey, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Gun guy, appreciate that. I have a question about Second
Amendment carry. I'd like to know if there's any reciprocity
between states with a Second Amendment carry.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah. And you know a lot of people call that
constitutional carry, Jim, or permitless carry, and it's not so
much reciprocity so much as a lot of different states.
In fact, we're up to thirty states. I believe we're
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right at thirty that have passed constitutional carry. Each of
them that have passed it allowed this is permanentless cary,
meaning you can carry a handgun without a license, just
so everybody's clear on what we're talking about. And those
thirty states that have passed it now all recognize it
for non residents, so that I would say that meets
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the definition of what you're talking about, which is reciprocity
meaning non red like if they've passed constitutional carry in
North Dakota, by the way, was the exception to this.
They made it for North Dakota residence only, and then
here is summer or two ago they changed that and
made it open to everyone, including non residents. So, for instance,
Kentucky has constitutional carry and they have that applicable to
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non residents. So as in Indiana, resident I can travel
to Kentucky and I can carry my handgun under their
constitutional carry law. In addition, they recognize the Indiana license
to carry, and since I have one of those, I
really essentially have a Belton suspenders as far as being
protected by carrying in Kentucky. That's just one example. But
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we're up to thirty states now that have passed constitutional carry.
It's incredible, it is pretty cools. Go back to the
phone lines and Tim has called Tim welcome to hammer
or Nigel.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Hey guy, kind of a two part question. Sure, So
a couple of years ago, my stepfather died and my
mother gave me one of his old handguns. Does that
have to be registered or am I legally allowed to
carry it?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, I'll tell you what, Tim, We don't have gun
registration in Indiana, and there's no registration requirement the federal law,
except when you're talking about things regulated by the National
Firearms Act, which is like machine guns and suppressors, short
brailed rifles, et cetera. So if it's just a typical handgun,
there is no registration. You couldn't register it if you
wanted to. Some police departments locally, if you go in
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and say I want to register my gun, quote unquote,
they'll you know, take the information, serial number, make model,
and whatnot and keep it on a list. But that
there's no statewide registration. So the answer to your question
is no, there's there's nothing you need to do. And
our carry law, both constitutional carry and our license to
carry in Indiana both mean you can carry any gun
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you lawfully possess, and you you know, you receive that
you know, as the heir of your father's estate, you
can legally possess it, you can carry it. There's nothing
else you need to do. But you said you had
a two part question.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I think yeah, So with like the same gun, would
I be able to trade it in at a gun
shop as well?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
With sure?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
With no issue.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Absolutely. In fact, you know, in terms of the difference
between just like selling a gun, selling it to somebody
you know or an acquaintance whatnot, I always prefer rather
to trade them in.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
The downside is you don't get as much value for them.
It's just like trading a car in. You're going to
get wholesale value versus retail, so you're not going to
get the same amount of money. But it's very safe
in terms of knowing that your gun now is going
to a retailer, and that retailer before it sells that
gun to anyone who is going to have to put
that person through a complete background check, which you don't
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have to do as a private individual. So no, you
can absolutely trade it in. I've done that a number
of times, and again you're giving up some value, no question,
but it's a good way of knowing that your gun's
not going to end up in the hands of someone
who you wouldn't want to have your gun. Let's go
to the phone lines again, and we got Bob or Rob. Bob.
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Bob is called Bob. Welcome to him or Bob.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Hey, nice men, you are talking to you. Yeah, I
have a couple of questions about answering some of my
handguns and rifles and shotguns to family members, because I'm
getting kind of long in the tooth and some health issues,
and I wanted to know. I had three handguns and
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two shotguns and one twenty two rifle and one shotgun
that I bought when I was like eighteen from a
friend and it's never been registered as far as I know.
I was wondering if all I would actually transfer them
or some to my family members.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, people that I know, the same deal, right guy,
You just give them to them, You just give them
to the But but there's an important question about are
they in state? Are they here in Indiana?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
The three out of the six hour one is in Illinois,
but he's planning on moving to Indiana.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Okay. There are restrictions on transferring or gun to someone
across state lines. There are some exceptions to that which
are or kind of cumbersome and complex, but I would.
As far as if they're in Indiana and they're not
residents of a different state, you could, as Nigel said,
you can just give them to them, transfer them, say
here you go, here's the gun, and you're good to go.
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No else, nothing else necessary. Now what I've always done
whenever I've transferred a gun, if it's not to a
gun shop like I was talking about just now with
another caller, if I'm transferring into a private individual, which
I've only done a handful of times, if that, I'll
always document that in the sense of I want to
bill a sale that has their name, my name, and
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the serial number and whatnot all on it the date,
and doesn't mean I don't trust my family member. I've
not sold a gun or transferred to gun to a
family member, but whoever it is, I personally want some
documentation that as of this date, I am no longer
the legal owner of that gun. I've transferred that gun.
And as not to say I just trust any of
your family members, is just to say that if that
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gun shows up in a crime I'm seeing or whatnot,
or someone knocks on your door wanted to know when
you got rid of that gun, you've got a piece
of paper signed by them that says, hey, on this date,
I transferred to this gun and everybody acknowledges that. Let's
go back to the phone lines and let's take a break.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Now take one more Okay, keep calling two three nine
nine nine three, ask the gun guy. We'll take one
more call and then we'll take a break and we'll
come back with another segment.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
That sounds great. Let's go to Dave. Dave, welcome to
Hammer and Nigel.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Hey guy, it's a great show so far.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Brother.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I think your first caller, Jim stole my thunder. I
was going to ask about is that Utah gun permit?
I think it worth like is legal in thirty two states?
But if it's worth it, but apparently if you go
to thirty right now, why buy it? But anyway, I
got to follow up on this your two A Project.
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Are you alad to talk about this on the show?
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You bet? Yeah? The two A Project two A Project
is a gun rights organize that I founded in twenty twenty.
It's based right here in Indiana. If you ask the legislators,
the legislators who was right out front getting constitutional carry
passed in twenty twenty two. They'll tell you the two
A Project was and so yeah, we're a gun rights organization.
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We'd love to have folks as a member and you
can join at the Two Way project dot com.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
All right, Hey, thanks the gun guy guy, Ralphord filling
in for a Hammer. Let's continue the ask the Gun
Guys segment.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Did you bet? Let's go right back to the phone lines,
and Bill has called Bill. Welcome to Hammer, Nigel.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Hey, thanks guy, great great show today. Guys, thanks making
my call.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Thanks a much.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I'm I'm embarrassed to say, guy, I don't know the
answer to this. The revolvers that I own, it's just
like any other revolver. Pull the trigger, gun goes bang.
It doesn't matter if it's single or double action. My
question is I have a friend who bought his daughter
a revolver. I don't know the manufacturer. I've never heard
of them, which doesn't really mean anything. But my question
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to you is this, he's telling me there's a safety
mechanism on the revolver. I don't know if you've heard
of this. This is new to me. My question to
you is can he legally without having to play the
tax stamp game or classify the pistol. Now, as an AOW,
can he go to a gunsmith and have that safety
mechanism removed legally so she can operate the gun without
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having to screw with that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Sure? Absolutely, that's just a legal modification of the gun.
You're not turning into a machine gun. You're not turning
it into a short brailed rifle, short short brailed shotgun.
Right and and and no AOW doesn't specifically does not
apply to handguns, so no they can. They do.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Question here though, why would you want to remove a
safety mechanism from a gun?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
So he's explaining it to me. Sorry, guys, see, he's
explaining to me. She doesn't she He took her to
the local gun range how to try a whole bunch
of pistols. She's a you know, she's not comfortable with
a raging at Nigel with what chambering a a semi
auto pistol. So he thought, well, well, you know, revolver
is the way to go, because he just pull the trigger,
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gun goes bang. So he got her this manufacturer of
a certain brand which I've never heard of. It's not
a Ruger, it's not it's nothing I'm familiar with. And
she struggled with it when he's taken her back to
the range. Apparently, Nigel, there's the way you have to
hold this gun to squeeze the trigger. And he doesn't
feel comfortable for her being able to defend herself. God
forbid if she needed to.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, And the short answer, nudge to your question is
that before you can use the gun to defend yourself,
you have to remember to disengage the safety. And there
there are and and this happens in every course I've
ever seen or taught where somebody's using a revolver or well,
let me back up, where somebody's using a gun with
a safety. It's usually semi automatic because it's rare. The
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revolver has a safety on it. But when somebody has
a safety on their gun, there, especially under time pressure,
you've got a target Russian at chair, you've got to
draw and fire within a certain amount of time, or
you're in competition to draw and fire faster than somebody else.
Somebody always forgets to flick the safety and you're sitting
there pulling the trigger. Nothing's happening, you know, And theoretically,
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in the real world, the bad guy's killing you at
this time. So like a lot of police carry glocks, right,
or a lot of cops before the problems with them
like SIGs like SIG three to twenty. There's no safety
on those guns because there's no external safety, which means
you have to flick a lever before the gun will operate.
And that's because cops don't want to have to remember
to disengage the safety before they pull the trigger and
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it goes boom.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Sixty seconds left. Sorry, that was my fault. I was
kind of curious about that though.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
No, it's an interesting question. I'm glad we had time
for it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Colton.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You're on the clock. Brother, you got a quick question,
I'll get you an answer. Yeah, quick question for you guy.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Could you just quickly explain some of the pros and
cons to going through registering.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
And that' SDR for purchase and going through the ar
pistol route.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I mean, first of all, to have a pistol, you
have to have a brace on it. And listen, I'm
just not a fan of braces. Braces they're not real stocks.
They typically aren't adjustable, they don't function as stocks. I'd
rather have a real stock or my damn gun. That's
why I'm going to SBR my guns, that is, making
a short barreled rifle. And the big plus starting January
first is now the stamp to get your registration on
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an SBR is free as of January one. That was
a provisioned in Trump's Great, Big, Beautiful Bill. So I
don't own an AR pistol because I don't like braces.
I like real stocks. And that's exactly the answer to
your question from my perspective, brother,