Episode #2016 Hammer and Nigel Full Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Can you believe these characters are weirdos?

Speaker 3 (00:05):
I'm thinking about this Hammer, this this radio station of
this show probably one of the only shows in America
that talks about it's lieutenant governor more than it does
it's governor.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I mean, between us and Rob Kendall and Tony Katz,
it looks like Lieutenant governor Mikeebec with now a deleted
social media post. Don't be deleted social media post, guy, Micah,
come on up there, man own it, own it, man
post it no own it? So what so can you
tell me? Can you interpret what this deleted social media

(00:38):
post is all about? It? Kind of I It made
it look like he didn't say it, but it made
it look like he won forty thousand Haitian refugees to
become partment of residence here.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, Well, the Internet's forever, so I've got the actual
post here. Okay, So I'm going to read it word
for word. There'll be no interpreting anything. This is word
for word, and you take it for you want. Number one,
I'm sorry. Quote. Yesterday I sat with Haitian pastors from
Marion County. Their people have endured earthquakes. And violence, and

(01:10):
now more than forty thousand are seeking asylum here in Indiana.
We spoke about barriers of language and culture while also
discussing the power of faith and family. What I saw
was not a community asking for a handout, but people
determined to work hard, raise their children, to become contributors
to the great Hoosier State and assimilate to the American

(01:33):
way of life. Okay, I take that as he's talking
to these Haitian pastors about ways forty thousand Haitians can
become comfortable and assimilate here in Indiana. There's a couple
of things.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I think a few months ago or a few you
know before, before Braun was elected Governor Brown, I think
he had a different take on some of these people
coming in. I look at this tweet which has now Bindale.
I don't see anything wrong with it, per se. I
see Governor Lieutenant Governor Michaebec with with his preacher hat on.

(02:09):
He has compassion and empathy and sympathy for these people.
I get it. I'm not saying it's don't get me wrong.
I'm not saying I want forty thousand people sucking off
resources here. Okay, you understand what I'm saying. But Mike
is a pastor. Micah puts God first in his life,
and he put this out on the official Lieutenant governor

(02:29):
Twitter correct social media page. Right, Court wasn't some private thing.
It was the Lieutenant Governor Michaeh. Beck with the N
check mark page. And there's some dispute about the forty
thousand number two, I think, but that's what he wrote.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Those were his understand I understand, and and I get it.
I mean, I understand where you're coming from. But my side,
he's not my pastor. Okay, I need a pertenate governor.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Sure, exactly. Yeah, he's got to wear two different hats.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I think he had his pastoral hat on there, and
I get it. But you were totally within one hundred
percent right, and he's not your pastor. But I do
like I like Micah. I know it's a different relationship
with him and Rob. Now we were introduced to the
Lieutenant Governor through Rob and I you're.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Rooting for him. Man, we want the dude to do well.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
I want him to do well, but I don't want
forty thousand people, you know, in Logan's Port with you know,
sucking up. Okay, even if they assimilate, which I don't
know that they are, Rob. Rob made it sound like
this morning was Kennel and Casey show. They don't want
to assimilate the Haitians, don't. I don't know how you

(03:41):
know that or not.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, but that's they back to the olds. Uh, they're
eating the cats, they're eating the dogs.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
These that's a good point. Were the folks that we
were talking about here, And yeah, but I think Tony
and Rob there just definitely they're saying this is it
for Micah?

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:59):
And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Oh, he's wearing his pastor's hat, and I think he
has a lot of compassion and empathy and I get it.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I do too.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
But you know, forty thousand people like you know, taking
up American jobs and sucking off American resources.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
We can't take care of the people we have here
in Marion County.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I know, we still have a homeless tent community near
Fountain Square, yep. Like driving around parts of Indie yesterday,
so another tent community like near the White River on
our way into downtown to go to the Colts game.
We got to worry about these people. Forty thousand Haitians.
I'm sorry, God bless you. I'm sure you're probably fleeing

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from something. But we've got rules and regulations here. There
are people who are waiting to come into this country
legally the right way, and if you want to have
a conversation about how we make that process easier, I'm
all ears, But right now, you don't get to cut
people because we feel bad for you.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now, they didn't they didn't come here here illegally. They
were brought here.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
But you're saying they're not citizens.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
That they're not citizens, right, and there's a process, correct,
And forty thousand is a big number.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So I get he's being Pastor Micah, but you used
it on the Lieutenant Governor Micah social media. Maybe it's
a mistake, maybe we're making too big of a deal here,
but ah, no, no, no, no, this is like the
one thing that's bringing some of the establishment Republicans and
more MAGA type Republicans here in Indiana together. No, we've

(05:34):
got our own issues here and forty thousand Haitians does
not fit what we're trying to accomplish in the state
of Indiana.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
You probably need to go back and look at what
he said, prior to these Haitians arriving.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Right, very closed border guy, very uh, you know, Trump
like when it comes to the border. But then he
puts on social media in a now deleted posts, you know,
forty thousand work, got to assimilate. No, no assimilation. Sorry,
that's not how this is going to work. Forty thousand.

(06:07):
But he has since deleted it. Mike has made a
statement basically saying it's taken out of context, blah blah blah.
But the damage is done. Damage has already done. Now
it's out there and people have been ripping him to shreds,
so we'll see what happens. He's used to that by
now true. And you look at the folks that are

(06:28):
working in his office right now. Their whole angle is
everybody's wrong but us. Now, sometimes a lot of people
can be wrong, but everybody's wrong. But the folks that
used to be the church, you know, members that are
somehow now running the Lieutenant governor's office. Okay, that's that's

(06:48):
how you feel. That's fine. Speaking of immigration, Miss Allison,
can I please get the Attorney General Todd Raketa to
get us rolling here legal stuff, crime.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
Punishment judges legal stuff, legal stuff.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
So Trump's going to the Supreme Court a lot now
because these lower circuit judges they're basically being activists and
taking away everything that he's trying to do in terms
of national security. But the latest Supreme Court win happened
earlier today. The Supreme Court will allow the Trump administration
to resume carrying out the ICE immigration sweeps in LA.

(07:33):
There was an LA federal judge that had a stay
put in place of like the ICE and Federal raids.
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the restraining order.
So the Trump administration said, fine, we'll go to the
Supreme Court and buy a six to three vote. Bottom line,
DHS and ICE can do their thing out in LA

(07:55):
once again.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
So Trump has had a lot of wins. He's had
a lot of these types of wins. It's just taking
him a while to get through them because, like you said,
the lower court circuit progressive wing of the you know,
judges are all knocking down these Trump executive orders and
laws right and legislation, and another win for Trump.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
And we know what the win game always is. When
these activist judges do this, they know, damn well, it's
not going to stick. They know, damn well, it's not
the right decision, but it gets over on Trump and
then that looks good to their super leftist over lords, right,
and that helps them retain positions and or get re elected.

(08:40):
If you're looking for a reason to drink tonight, Nige,
speaking of leftist over lords, Happy eighty fourth birthday to
Bernie Sanders. Wow. Bernie is eighty four Vermont senator, failed
presidential candidates, and it seems like only yesterday he was
running for president and his big campaign platform was he

(09:03):
wanted the Boston Marathon bomber to be able to vote.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
If somebody commits a serious crime sexual assault, myrtle, they're
going to be punished.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
But I think the right to vote is inherent to
our democracy. Yes, even for terrible people.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
So I believe that people commit crimes, they pay the price,
but they.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
Got out of jail.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
I believe they certainly should have the right to vote.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
But I do believe that even if they.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Are in jail, they're paying their price to society, but
that should not take away their inherent American right to
participate in our democracy.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Shockingly, that didn't go over well with the public.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't think it went overwhelm with the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
No, not just it was just too extreme for the left,
like even the late term abortion people were like, I
don't know about the Boston marathon bomber. That's a little extreme.
Great moments in Bernie Sanders history. He was doing an
interview with Brett Bear on Fox and Brent was kind
of holding his feet to the fire here saying, look,

(10:07):
you're mister climate change, but all you do is fly
on private jets all around the country. And again Bernie
not winning over many supporters said this.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
The only way you can get around to book to
thirty thousand people. I think I'm gonna be sitting on
a waiting line at United waiting. You know what, thirty
thousand people are waiting. That's the only way you can
get around. No apologies for that.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I think I'm gonna be waiting at United like you scrubs.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
What an elitist piece of garbage. Somebody else confront of
him about that.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Will you want me.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
To walk to California? I love that quote, right, walk
to California? What an elite?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I'm It's good for you, but not me, Okay, berniew
unbelievable Matt Bear, what's up, buddy?

Speaker 6 (10:57):
We come in fifteen?

Speaker 1 (11:01):
She was listening to the Hammer and Nichel ship. I'm
gonna let you go ahead and do the honors, man.
So I'm fired up for this one. And we hit
a blast last year. So where are we going? Running
the back baby? Grand Park Beer sample Friday September nineteenth,
the Suburban Indie Fall Home Show. So this was a

(11:22):
big deal last year.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
Man.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
They took good care of us, tons of different beverage,
wink wink opportunities there. They had a full bar, like
a full bar. We were getting shots and beers and
having a good time. And then I was this close
to buying a hot tub.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
That's my next that was my next thing. Yes, I
think this time. My wife was out of town last
year when we did it. She's coming this year and
she's buying a hot tub.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
And I've got to get a hold of the chimney
people as well. Okay, I gotta get ahold of.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
The chimney people.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
And boy, boy, oh boy, am I getting hammered over
the hot tub. Listen, either will too.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
Man.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
If there's somebody wants to do business with us, right,
do a little trade.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
We sell everything out. By the way, have you met us?
Everything we touch turns to gold? Why are you not
advertising with us? Hot tup? People? Come on, Well, suburban
indies advertising with us? Heck yeah they are. Tickets are
just seven bucks if you buy them online. Suburbanindieshows dot
com slash fall. Just do a serp. You'll find it.

(12:27):
We'll link it up here on our social media in
the coming weeks. But man, I'm excited. Beer sample Friday
on the Road, Grand Park the suburban Indie Fall home show, Nudge.
What color would you describe my face? In my neck
and chest here right?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
You look like John candy and in summer rental after
he fellows sleep out on the beach.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Uh, yeah, you look cooked.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Man.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
So went to the Colts game yesterday. Roof was open.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I didn't figure you were laying out on your back
court trying to get a tan.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Well, I don't have a hot time, so maybe I did.
But no, man, the sun was shining right on us
because my seats were in the end zone, right, So
sun was shining right on me. It was a beautiful day.
But I didn't even think about it in the morning,
you know, got up. It's like seventy degrees, sunny, clear day.
Oh it's gonna be great. But throughout the afternoon, as

(13:22):
the sun changed position, here it comes boom right in
my face, right in my chest. I was cooking.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
The Colts offense was hot, but my skin was hotter.
Hey man. That was a fun game. It was I
have had that much fun watching a Colts.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Game in a long long time. Now it's it's it's
like we are we celebrating the Colts or are we
being very cynical and saying, well, Miami sucks the Dolphins.
I was like thirty three to eight the final score, right,
we blew them out right, So we were being cynical?
Here are we being happy that Danny Dimes did his job?

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Hey man? Danny Dimes was moving the chain, like we said,
the deep ball, the home run ball, not necessarily his jam,
but conversions on third down, hitting the new rookie tight end,
which that dude's a badass. I liked it, man, I
like what I saw, And yes, multiple things can be true.
The Dolphins stink. Boy, they're bad.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Little weeazily head coach that wears the capri pants on
the sidelines.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
McDaniel, Yes, imagine being a fan of the Dolphins back
in the day and you had like Larry's Zonka and
Zach Thomas, and even though Dan Marino had a perm
he was still a foul mouthed, trash talking competitive dude.
And now your head coach runs out and like Capri pants. Yeah,

(14:46):
it's a it's a far cry. But no, Colts look good.
Now Denver comes in this weekend four o'clock home game
here in India.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
The Sunday Titans. Didn't they they did, it'd be some
divisional arrival. That's a good that's a good thing. Jacksonville
won though, didn't they They did?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Jags won, Colts won, and both of them are at
the top of the division right now. Texans got beat
so that's good. But we'll see. This will be a
good test because Denver always plays great defense, their quarterbacks
a little hit and miss Bo Nicks, so we'll see.
I think the Colts got a good shot this weekend
and looking forward to it. Man, it's a good buzz

(15:23):
in the city. Things are so much better after a
big Colts win early in the year, are aren't they?
Like you wake up and you feel better. You want
to watch the news.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Highlights again, as you mentioned, especially the first game they play,
which they haven't won in over a decade.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Twenty thirteen was the last year somebody I can't remember
the player's name was was ten years old, a Colts
player the last time they won a season opening game.
You're kidding. The Colts are two and a half point dogs.
By the way, early on here under a field goal. Okay, interesting,
all right, So yeah, congratulations to the Colts man and listen.

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I like carly Ers Gordon. I like what she's doing
with this team. I don't know how good they're gonna
be this year, but she seems like the kind of
gal that doesn't put up with crap, and I like
that she is. She's doing some work. It's the Hammer
and Nigel Show. The only way to bag a classy
lady is to give her two tickets to the gun

(16:23):
Show Monday, Gun Day with the gun Just watch up
with the guns. They'll get guy, stop calling your arms gunns.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Minames Nigel Jason Hammer is here. Also Jona's live in
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Gun Guy Show Saturdays here on ninety three WIBC Licensed
Firearms Instructor to a attorney, Guy, how are you, man?

Speaker 8 (16:47):
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Speaker 3 (17:03):
Speaking of being a two eight lawyer, you had I
saw on social media successful court case this week. If
you want to brag on yourself, go ahead. Yeah, that
was just what it's going to do is get you
more customers.

Speaker 8 (17:16):
Well, no, I appreciate you bringing that up.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Nine Well you told us to Guy.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
I sent you guys a whole list of things we've
talked about, and that was not on.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
But I saw that on your social media though.

Speaker 8 (17:29):
No, I appreciate that a lot.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
No.

Speaker 8 (17:31):
I want a red flagcase and and that's not really.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Unusual agus red flag case.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
Well, I understand why it was brought, but this is
somebody who's not dangerous. We were able to prove they
were not dangerous. The judge agreed with it. At the
end of the day, the prosecutor agreed with us, and
so we won the case. And that's great, I mean,
and that's fulfilling. And my client was, you know, was
ordered to get his guns back within five days. And

(17:56):
that all sounds good and feels good. But what was
significant about it, the reason I posted about it, is
that the new law that I wrote and fought for
in the General Assembly and passed not only overwhelmingly but
unanimously in the General Assembly, it just went into affect
July one. And that's the law that says if someone

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wins that initial red flagcase and they're determined to not
be dangerous contrary to the allegations of the state in
bringing that case, then not only do they get their
guns back and the judge enters in order that says
they're not dangerous, but now because of this new law
again just went into affect July one. Now all the
records of that are expunged and the judge is required

(18:40):
it's mandatory to enter in order to expunge all those records,
which means they're sealed, they're not a public record, and
that red flagcase, which we disproved in court, will not
affect that person's life going forward.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
So people were getting these red flagcases dismissed, but it
would still show up on their backgrounds. Yes, and even
though they were dismissed and.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
In many cases frivolous, totally.

Speaker 8 (19:05):
Totally or we went to he had a hearing, and
we won, and we proved they were not dangerous. And
it happened over and over and over again and for
several years. And I wrote the same bill and we
offered it in twenty twenty four. It didn't get a hearing,
it didn't get through, but it did in twenty twenty five.
And this is because for years, exactly to your point,
notiche and two years Jason, that we would win these cases,

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and then I'd have people, my clients call me a
year later going, you know, I was just told I
can't volunteer coach my kid's volleyball team because they did
a background check. And they said, well, there was this
red flag case where someone that accused you of being
dangerous and your guns were received. Like no, no, no,
I won that case. Yeah, but you know that looks
really bad. A lady called me all upset she couldn't

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be a bus driver anymore because they did a background check.
And I said, no, we won that case. They didn't
care she couldn't be a bus driver. Another young man
wanted to go His lifelong dream was being marine, and
his recruiter ran a background check on him, saw this
red flag case even though we won it, had it
dismissed and said, you know you had your gun seies
from you. Don't feel good about you going into the

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Marines and handling weapons and those those stories just broke
my heart after we won those cases. And so yeah,
so I wrote that bill and we fought for it,
we got it passed, and when that judge it was
it was fun for me. And actually the prosecutor laughed
because the judge said, well, I know there's this new laws,
so I think I'm required to see all these records,
aren't they And I said, well, yes, your honor, you are,

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and and he said, okay, well I haven't done one
of these. Before he goes, i'll have to figure out
how to write that order. And I said, well you're on.
I'm happy to write that order, and and he's just
kind of looking at me like why is that? And
so I went ahead and said, because I wrote the bill,
that in statue and.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
You say, like Ron Burgundy I'm kind of a big deal.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
That's exactly what I was trying not to sound like.
But it was funny because the judge started laughing. He goes,
he goes, he goes, uh, you sound like you might
be the right guy to write that then, and then
the prosecutor just went, yeah, he is, you know, and
and actually we all laughed and we were all in
agreement on that. And so I I wrote the order,
I submitted, Judge sligned it within an hour after I

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submitted it, and now those records are sealed and my
client can go on about his life. So it was
it was a fun day in court.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I'm no Matt Locke here, okay, but it feels like
it's a good feeling when, like the other side in
this case, the prosecution looks over at you. He's good.
He's the guy.

Speaker 8 (21:33):
Actually, this prosecutor at Marion County just a very rational person.
And we actually worked the case out where we walked
in and and uh and.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
There are actually some rational prosecute there.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
There absolutely are and uh and and in this case
we certainly had one. And I appreciated the fact that
he was able to look at evidence we submitted to
him and said, you know what, I'm not even going
to contest your clients, you know, and say your client's dangerous.
And so we actually reached an agreement on it. So
it wasn't like I was Clarence Darrow in the courtroom.

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We were able to work it out. The prosecutor agreed
my client wasn't dangerous, and then we submitted in order
that got those records sealed. So that was a good day.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
On the subject of gun confiscation here, I heard you
talking about this on your show on Saturday. There is
this rumor going around that the Trump administration was looking
into prohibiting transgender individuals from owning a firearm, and they
were going to use some sort of mental excuse as

(22:36):
the way to be able to do that. I don't
know if this's ever had any actual legs to it,
but that rumor ran wild. I heard you talking about
it this weekend.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (22:44):
No, unfortunately, does have some legs potentially, because this is
how the Obama administration, even going back to Clinton and
then certainly under Biden. This is how veterans who just
got a PTSD diagnosis with no determination that they are
any kind of a danger to themselves or others or

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actually sent letters to say you can't possess firearms. You're
a prohibitive possessor. And this is under a federal statum.
And by the way, social Security recipients and both they
or veterans under the Veterans Administration, if they had designated
a finuciary to receive their benefits for them, it's like, well,
you must be mentally defective because there's a federal statute.

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Among the people, you cannot possess a firearm under federal law,
if you have a felony, you can't possess firearm. If
you were dishonorably discharged from the military, you can't possess firearm.
Several other categories. One of them is if you've been
adjudicated to be mentally defective. And that's kind of odd language,
perhaps offensive language, and the federal statue, but that's what
it says. Well, the ATF has looked at that and said, well,

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that means either you've been committed to a mental institution
or you've been determined to have a mental illness. We
can say that you've been adjudicated to be mentally defective.
That's just the ATF. That's not Congress, right, and we
fought that, and we fought that, and we fought that.
We fought it when they were trying to deprive veterans
of their two A rights. We fought it when they're

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trying to deprive social Security recipients. And I will fight
it exactly as enthusiastically because look, did we just have
a mass shooting in Minneapolis where there was a transgender
person who committed it? Yes, we did. We had another
confirm case with a transgender shooting up the Nashville Christian School, right, correct,
very similar cases others, And I've seen these memes. Well,

(24:30):
you know the last seven mass shooters or school shooters
were all transgender. No, that's not been confirmed. Some of
those means are not correct. However, we have a couple
documented cases. Should we be looking hard at this issue
and making sure that people are truly a danger might
potentially need to be separated from their firearms?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (24:47):
Can we go go across the board and if you're
just someone who you know, you're born a boy and
you've decided you want to be a girl, and all
of a sudden you've lost your Second Amendment rights with
no examination whatsoever of whether you're a danger to yourself
or anybody else. Oh hell no, I will litigate that
case and I will win it. If somebody would say,
oh yeah, guys pro trans now, No, I'm pro Second

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Amendment right, no matter who you are.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I trust Caitlyn Jenner to have a firearm more than
I trust some of these idiots downtown here.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
Right, exactly right. I mean, now you know, somebody said, well,
gender dysphoria is a legitimate mental illness, and even who
a World Health organization is designated gender dysphoria to be
a mental illness. Okay, but that's where the ATF deciding
that just having a mental illness makes you a prohibited possessor.
That's not Those aren't the words of Congress, and they're
they're expanding the words of Congress. I think you need

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to be determined to be a danger to yourself or
others for that to be constitutional. And for instance, how
many millions of people in this country right now are
on some form of antidepressant lot?

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, lot, anti anxiety, anti depressing anxiety, I mean somebody, yeah.

Speaker 8 (25:56):
I mean I've heard numbers like ten, fifteen to twenty
percent of the population. I I have no idea what
number it is. But my point is just having some
form of mental illness, no matter how mild, and no
matter how little it affects your functionality, and most importantly,
whether you're a danger to yourself or anyone else. I
mean to just designate a whole class of people as

(26:18):
prohibitive possessors. No, he'll no, I'll fight that, I'll litigate
that case, I'll win it. And it's the danger aspect.
It's not you know what sex you consider yourself. It's
the danger aspects of it. Are you mentally capable of
having a firearm? And is there any proof to back
up the claims that you might not be? Like with
this Minnesota freak, there was tons of frigs.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
There was a manifest though, there was a YouTube channel.
The Nashville shooter the same way, same thing, go down
to Parkland. It wasn't a transgender shooter, but it was
a nut with all of the warning signs there.

Speaker 8 (26:51):
That's what we got to be focusing on, not just
taking broad categories of people and denying them their constitutional rights.
Hall No, absolutely disagree with that, And so I was
disappointed that Trump administration has done so many good things,
so many right decisions in terms of the two way,
and just recently they've filed briefs and pending cases saying, hey,

(27:11):
you know, the Supreme Court ought to take the Seventh
Circuits assault weapon ban case. Just on and on. The
Trump administration has done good thing after a good thing
for the Second Amendment, but they are stepping on it
with this transgender thing. They're wrong, and I think they'll
either back off or they'll get proven wrong in court.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Guy, we got about a minute left here. Your thoughts
on that rally we saw at the State House last week,
the IPS students, the gun safety rally ban assault weapons.
What did you think?

Speaker 8 (27:42):
You know, I surprised some people, I think when I
posted on this on social media over the weekend, which
is my first reaction to it, was hey, you know what,
We've got young kids, high school kids for the most part,
who are now exercising their First Amendment right, so participating
in the political problem process. Their voice, they're making their
voices heard. They came out all the way down to

(28:03):
the State House. Yeah, they got a day out of school.
My first thought was awesome, good for these kids, man,
they're participating in the process. But immediately after that My
thought was, isn't it a shame that these kids don't
respect my rights under the Second Amendment as much as
I respect their rights under the First.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
They could have learned something. I mean, I'm sure like
you or any one of the law abiding gun owners
at the state House would have came out and talk there.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Was a gun safety aspect to this demonstration that I'm
off for that as well.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
Well, And there always is though, because but what they
say is to have guns safety quote unquote, we need
a band, you know. And there's this and that comes
from their teachers. I'm sure, well that's exactly what It's
a combination of parents and teachers, and they both support
each other. But I would have loved to just had
some rhetorical conversations like can you define as ault weapon?
You know, and just get into some statistics. But hey,

(28:53):
they're participating in the process, so God bless them.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Where can we find you? Really?

Speaker 8 (28:58):
On Twitter? At Guy Ralford is best way follow while
you're on there at Guy Ralford, Guy, You're the best.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Thanks guys, It's the Hammer and Nigel Show. Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
You believe these characters are weirdos?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Hammer The Trump administration is launched Operation Midway Blitz.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
And the man in the fact said, everyone attack get
a credit to a Midway Blitz. Midway Blitz, Baby, here
come the Feds in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Can you tell me who sings the song Ballroom Blitz?
If you do, I'm buying. I'll buy something.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
I know who did the remake in Wayne's World to
your Career? Who was smoke Sweet by the Sweet by
the way is the ah?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
So uh yeah, we've got this same thing going on
in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Now there's not much I can do about it with
the National Guard. Statement from d HS the Department of
Homeland Security quote, this ice operation will target the criminal
illegal aliens who flocked to Chicago and Illinois because they
knew Governor Pritzker and his sanctuary policies would protect them
and allow them to roam free on American streets. That's

(30:12):
the statement from DHS. So we will see how this
plays out, because there's some bad blood here, right Governor
fat Pig, he doesn't like Donald Trump. Then you've got
Mayor Brandon Johnson, which, man, I gotta be honest, I
didn't think anybody could be worse than Mayor Beetlejuice, but
this guy whoa. So we will see how this plays out.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
National Guard, but it's ICE that's actually operating in Chicago
right now.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
With the help from the federal administration. Now Donald Trump
putting his thumbprint on Chicago. This is going to make
for a very high profile back and forth. And I'm
curious to see how much more of Indiana the state
of Illinois is going to blame because for years so
we've talked about this on the show show God's Sake.

(31:00):
If you say the guns are coming from Indiana, it's
not me saying it, Nige, it's the governor, I know,
the mayors of Chicago.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's all all the guns. They're coming from Indiana.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
All of our gang members here they should be in church,
but all these Indiana guns keep coming over here, and
unfortunately they're killing people. Damn you Indiana. Well, there was
a study that came out last week that stated only
twelve percent of guns confiscated from law enforcement in the
state of Illinois have come from Indiana. Only twelve percent,

(31:34):
So that seems like a pretty low number considering the
massive amount of blame we take from Fat Pig and
that weirdo in Chicago. I love this back and forth
on Twitter. I love a good Twitter feud, Nige. You
know me, sometimes it gets me in trouble. Uh, Vice
President jd Vance sometimes it does. Yes, fired back at

(31:57):
liberal I don't know what to call him. Activist commentator
Brian Krassenstein.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Oh, for guy's sake, that dude and his the name
of brother that's been around forever on Twitter. Correct just
ultra far left wing.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
They were very upset, the Crassenstein brothers, very upset that
Trump blew up drug dealers coming to the United States
on a boat from Venezuela. Right awesome videan.

Speaker 9 (32:28):
I can't believe it. The tears streaming down my face.
The drugs cartel, the drug cartel coming to deliver drugs
to kill Americans was blown up in the ocean by
American the American military.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I can't believe it. Crassenstein called it a war crime,
a war crime, to which jd Vance posted quote killing
cartel members who poison our fellow citizens is the highest
and best use of our military. All right, well, now
we got the Vice president shelff. Now it's a good
Twitter feud, to which Crassenstein clapped back, quote killing the

(33:08):
citizens of another nation who are civilians without any due
process is a war crime. And lastly, to close it
all out, JD Vance like Ricky Vaughan coming out of
the bullpen to throw that heat quote, I don't give
a bleep what you call it. And he didn't write bleep.

(33:32):
He wrote the word out. It starts with an S,
it ends with a T, and it rhymes with hint. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
And I wonder if somebody go back and ask Crosenstein's
stein about when President Barack Obama was responsible for droning
American citizens in strikes that were overseas. Okay, they don't
want to talk about that. They will talk about Obama
droning American citizens or assassin citizens. But boy, you got

(34:04):
a bunch of drug dealers that who knows what they
were into and capable of and what else they were
into besides delivering drugs and being mules.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
That footage is pretty amazing. I said last week, I
would watch an NFL Red Zone feed of US just
doing that, the drug dealers all over the world. Let's
go down to the coast of Columbia where there's some
cup dealers getting ready to get blown up. Let's go.
We're in the octobox it's the witching hour. Come on,
I'm here for that man. Uh. Sadly, we did not

(34:37):
win the power Ball. I forgot to get my ticket
on Saturday. Well yeah, okay, okay, so you're not gonna win. Yeah,
I can't can't win if you don't play. Did not
get my ticket up. Two tickets were sold, one in
Texas and one in Missouri. Wow. So if those folks
take like the cash lump payment, I think each one

(34:58):
of them is going to take come around four hundred
and eight million dollar.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Time I see these things. I think there's been documentaries
about people that win the lottery, like giant lotteries, that
just their lives are ruined after that, which I don't understand.
I think I'm old enough now to probably I could
keep it under control. Right if I wanted, you know,

(35:20):
five hundred million dollars, five million dollars whatever, I could.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Live comfortably if somebody gave me a million dollars right now,
let alone.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Four hundred and just give that to build memory. And
you know what, Right, you're in the clear. You are
living the sweet life.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Maybe so many people ruin their lives and families are destroyed,
and these like quote unquote advisors take these people to
the cleaners. Well, I hired an economic advisor, and after
his two hundred million dollar salary, he invested the other
two hundred million and betting on the expert pirates to
win the World Series this year, and we're broke now.

(36:01):
I mean, athletes have that happen, not even Powerball people
like so many of these athletes get taken to the
cleaner by their agents or people like that.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm watching the Billy Joel documentary on it. I think
it's HBO his manager. He had to sue his manager
for ninety million dollars, yeah, for fleecing him. Remember a
great rock doc by the way, just Side. I've heard
that was really great, really really good. It's two parts.
I'm still watching it. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Remember the Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar back in the day,
like his agent took Ohney, I took him to the
cleaners man. And that's before the money was huge like
it is now for quarterbacks. And he still made millions,
but it wasn't like the ridiculous video game numbers that
it is now. Dateline, New York, Nige, thirty two year

(36:49):
old guy in New York named Jose was going viral
thanks to his inspiring messages for strangers. He's been standing
on the walkway of the Brooklyn holding up signs that
say encouraging messages like don't give up and things like that.
Here's Jose talking about his project mind.

Speaker 10 (37:11):
Him is Jose Cruz, and I'm the creator and founder
of the world He's loved to. It's a woman to
spread love and positivity with messages on signs like this.
My goal is to motivates inspired to spread love. There's
all kinds of interactions. There's people that give me fist pumps,
people give me hugs, people some strewages, look at it,
give me a smile.

Speaker 7 (37:30):
So every interaction matters.

Speaker 10 (37:31):
It makes a difference.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I love it, nothing but positivity. Yeah, I'm with you, man,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's just like the guy on nine to eleven standing
on West fifty sixth Street, the bridge across four sixty
five with that with the giant flag.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I seen that guy.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, I'm not comparing. I guess I'm not comparing it too,
but I just it's the same idea, right, It's a
message of positivity and inspiration.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yes, you know who, I think the first person was
that did this friend of our show used to work
here years ago. Now he's making the stand up comedy
rounds around the country. Are pw Ben Polizzi? If you
remember our car wash video we did Nigel, he was
the good looking guy that a shirt list that was
replaced by you and I. He does this bit on
social media, bit on social media where he goes out

(38:20):
of the street corner with a bullhorn and does polite
cat calling to people. He always sees in your chicken

(38:45):
just out there being nice. You look like your cholesterol
under control, she yells back, I do. It's Ben Polizzi
used to be around this building back in the day.
Who presents.

Speaker 11 (39:04):
It depends upon what the meaning of the word is.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Is this anything?

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
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fun to type in other people's names that you know, right,

(39:37):
somebody tweeted us this weekend. Did it for the first time?
Found a couple hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Thank you. That's awesome. Man, love to hear that kind
of stuff. Is this anything the Oakland A's baseball announcers,
we're discussed some people sitting in the stands. They were
eating some ice cream watching the baseball game, and then
the dude reached over and grabbed the boob of his wife.
We assume it's his wife girlfriend. Wife reached over, just

(40:04):
squeezed your boob. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
It was something that was unexpected, right, I'm just people
in the stands, like you know baseball games.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Do hey coming up here in three days. It's bubblehead night.
And they just show a generic picture of people in
the stands. But the dude reached over and squeezed the can.
The camera's cut away and the announcers began laughing.

Speaker 7 (40:30):
I go for one of them, too little. It's it.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's it, what's that's it? It's it? Yeah, the ice
be half of you are a handful of Chris let
me tell you. Fall in then by a few.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
So it's it's like they were eating some sort of
ice cream and the guy just starts like feeling up
his wife on camera, just out of left field, just boom, squeezing.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
The what was the line from the announcer again or
something like that.

Speaker 7 (41:05):
I go for one of them too. It's it, it's it,
what's that?

Speaker 1 (41:09):
What's on? Behalf of you are a handful of prince.

Speaker 8 (41:14):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
That's where he grabbed her like and she loved it. Yeah,
Crystal would dig it if I squeezed her can out
in public.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
She'd be mad if I didn't. I can't say the
same for my wife. Really, it's gonna be a really.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Like Lindsey seems like she's a fun she is, she's
very fun.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
But when she's on National TV and her drunk husband
reaches over and goes, she might have.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
A problem with that. Okay, I be honest, Alison. Female
perspective here, boy, you're with your date. You guys are
either married or very much.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
In lady to watch the footage, Allison, but go but
it wasn't like he reached over and he was going
to town.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
It was also reach over and whack whack one of those.

Speaker 11 (42:07):
I stopped doing that gesture, please. I think I'd mean
the cap of Lindsay and maybe uh now I'm good.
I'm good, but I do applaud people like Crystal who
are on ties. Okay, he teach couple, teach couple.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Okay, now I'm good.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I mean that camera like just when he started doing that,
the camera just went sideways like somebody like pulled the camera,
like trip the cameraman and he fell down.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's times like that where you wish Harry Carey were
still alive, Like what are you doing? Had that happened
on WGN, say, nineteen eighty six, Harry, hey, oh, he's
got a handful of boob there, Like it's Steve Stone
would have awkward silence, two balls, one strike, Harry do

(42:52):
a Dirk's Dirk's Bentley? Okay, all right, do Dirks? Is
this anything? Country music? Start works? Bentley said that he
and his wife don't even sleep in the same room anymore,
but he wants to get that fixed after the tour
that he's on. Here is why they're sleeping in separate beds.
We don only sleep in the same room right now anymore.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I have three pillows have to be positioned exactly the
correct way, and I'm just thinking about the process of
getting to fall asleep and all of a sudden, she'll jerk.
I'm like, you got to be kidding me, You're already out,
and so she'll move a tiny bit.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I feel it.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
So years ago I decided to separate church and state,
and I got rid of our bed. And I've got
two platform beds and two box springs and two mattresses
and monsters haimone Devey.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
She is her debate.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
There's a clear line you can see the floor between
her bed and minds. Because I'm just such an animal,
it's terrible. She's like, she's sleeping the couch now, She's like,
there's next room we have. She's just so co sleeping there.
And even last night we're like, we've got to get
this back on the track.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
We got to get back in the same room we have.
Lindsey and I have the Yes, this is something I know.
I know a little bit of a little bit about this.
We have the temper pediic. Do you have the temper pedic?
I have the temper pedick tops and furniture and mattress
in Columbus. Now, I can't hear her, feel her get
out of bed. If I have to get up a
go pe, she can't feel me get a cause it's

(44:09):
kind of two separate mattresses, right, But now the thing
is snoring. I have got to somebody helped me out
with my seapat machine. Somebody, please, did you already have
a surgery for that? I had a deviated septum surgery
in twenty fifteen and it has not taken and at

(44:29):
least once a night like the other night, Lindsay goes,
what did you have to drink last night? You were
snoring like?

Speaker 1 (44:35):
I'm like, I didn't have anything to drink last night.
First of all, stop line to your wife, line of
my wife.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I just I don't The last time I had a
sea pat machine, I had to go through this whole
thing with my doctor and then some sort of home
sleep study and then it was eight hundred dollars and
my insurance didn't pay for it.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I don't know. I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
The seapet machine that I have is old, it's antiquated,
but it worked and it felt good. I need to
know how to get another one, and I don't know
how to get another one. I don't know how to
get another one. So maybe in the chat or at
Hammer and Nigel, please help.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Me hear me out here. I'm no doctor, but if
like doing everything right isn't working and you're snoring and
you're having problems, maybe you need to start drinking more.
Maybe you need to go home and get so friggin
drunk and just tie one off, start chugging shot, maybe

(45:28):
butt chug a beer, and then see what happens. Because
if you have a good night's sleep without snoring, maybe
that's the key. I would love it if that was
the answer. You're the opposite of every man. You're George
Castanz right exactly. Hammer.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I have not been able to bring myself to watch
I could barely look at the still, let alone watch
the footage of the attack on the North Carolina subway,
and it's disgusting the lack of coverage on it. I'm
talking about the twenty three year old woman who escaped

(46:02):
from the rush of Ukraine war to come here a
refugee right and have a peaceful life in America, and
was just coldheartedly butchered, butchered. I mean, I'm having trouble
coming up with words to describe savagely butchered.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
While coming home from.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Work, sitting there, I don't know, it looked like she
was on her phone or listening to.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Her to her iPod or whatever. Right, just I don't
get it. I met a loss for words. Well you
should get it, because it happens here in Indianapolis. When
a violent repeat offender keeps letting, keeps getting back out
on the streets from the justice system, that's what happens.
We shouldn't be so shocked. Nobody here in Indianapolis should

(46:51):
be shocked by this because we see this crap every day.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, but the left wing media is positioning this act
of violence again, this repeat offender butchered this Ukrainian woman
who escaped here from that war on a subway, and
they're positioning it as GOP pouncing on attack, right, Yeah,

(47:20):
like they're making it seem like we're the Republicans are
highlighting and taking advantage and you know, drawing a narrative
from this attack. When this guy has been in and
out of jail fourteen times, how many was it?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Fourteen? Fourteen times? Fourteen times a violent repeat offender. Now
not all fourteen were violent offenses, but some were. Some
were beating the crap out of a sister, physically assaulting her,
robbery with a dangerous firearm, possession of a firearm by

(47:57):
a felon robbery. This is not a good guy and
I don't care what his mental state is or not.
He's been put back out on the streets by weak,
woke prosecutors and judges fourteen times and again, just like
we say with Chicago. Now we can talk and point

(48:19):
and make fun of Chicago for their crime all they want.
Indianapolis is just as bad. Per capita, Indianapolis is higher
than Chicago. And this is the same type of story
you would expect to hear from the Ryan Meers justice system.
This judge, the North Carolina Magistrate, Judge Teresa Stokes, she
granted the release of this guy charged with his brutal

(48:42):
stabbing death back in January for another offense with a
quote written promise that he would return for his court hearing.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
It's like the illegal immigrants that cross the border with
the app Hey, you better promise to be back for
your hearing in three years.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Right, We're definitely going to be counting on you to
be here wink fourteen times and a written promise. See,
this is the issue we have in this country right now.
Everybody's so afraid to lock somebody up. Well, you can't
just lock everybody up for the rest of your life, No,
you can. You can, well, certain people that need it.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
He's mentally ill, don't get You have to have pity
for the mentally ill, and we have to have it.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
And hardly a word from the national media that vilified
Daniel Penny.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
The only word is GOP pounces on attack. Right, where's
the Associated Press at here? That's their angle.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
The AP was all over making Daniel Penny the boogeyman,
the guy in New York that puts somebody in a
choke hold when they were getting out of control on
a subway. Basically, who knows this guy gonna saved lives
and he was vilified. They made him to be the
joker of Gotham City. But yet when it comes to this,

(50:09):
nothing to see here because it's a crazy black guy
killing a white Ukrainian woman. It doesn't fit the narrative anymore.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
With radical left wing judges and prosecutors that kept on
letting this guy back out of jail multiple times, teens
is in the.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Teens fourteen times. Now. The mayor of Charlotte, she's a
piece of work too, Democrat Mayor Lyles she is still
refusing to condemn the lunatic, violent, repeat offender that stabbed
this woman to death on this train or subway, whatever
you want to call it, and suggested that we should

(50:50):
have compassion for him because of his mental state. No, no, no, no,
this is the statement. No, no, no, The Democrat mayor
from Charlotte said, quote, the suspect appeared to have struggled
with mental health and suffered a crisis. By and large,
the community is safe, but this incident highlights the need

(51:10):
for stronger support systems. Oh, he was suffering a crisis,
It goes on, quote, we will never arrest our way
out of issues such as homelessness and mental health. Why
are you making this guy the victim. He's been arrested
fourteen times and it wasn't because he was stealing candy bars.

(51:31):
He violently beat his sister, armed robbery, and now he
brutally murdered a woman on a public transportation.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Not only a woman from Ukraine that came here to
have a peaceful life, to escape that war. She had
to come to America to be brutally murdered, not droned
by Putin in Kiev.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
She came here in.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
It I mean, just sat down looking at her phone,
and all of a sudden, she is brutally taken from.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Us, from somebody that should have never been out like
the American justice system is why this woman is no
longer alive.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
And that's disgusting. The judges, yeah, they've got blood on
their hands. How could they live with themselves.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Here's the governor, Josh Stein, and he doesn't get it either.
The Democrat governor of North Carolina quote, I'm heartbroken for
the family who lost their loved one to the senseless
act of violence, and I'm appalled by the footage of
her murder. We need more cops on the beat to
keep people safe. That's what my budget calls for, more

(52:44):
funding to hire more well trained police officers. Blah blah blah.
It wasn't the police that was the issue here. The
police that were there made the arrests fourteen times. It's
your state, Govnor that kept letting this guy out. Every
single time. The police did the right thing and arrested

(53:08):
this guy your state, whether it's this woke judge, whether
it's the justice system as a whole, the activists let
him out. You don't need more police. You need to
enforce what the current police do. The police did everything right.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Who's advising this governor to say that, yeah, no, we
need more police. Your police arrested this guy fourteen times. Okay,
I don't think that's the issue at the right point, nudge.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I'm sure by now you've seen the video of the
Phillies Karen that demanded the home run ball behind it
to her from a young child.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
What is it with these videos and these people that
steal balls from the kids, don't I don't understand this.
It's a Major League baseball games.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
And they always look alike. Like all of these people,
they all have that Kate Goslin haircut that's heard for
a while, Rachel Maddow glasses, and they all walk over
there and they want to talk to your manager. They
want to report you to the HOA. They want to
call you in for having too many people over for

(54:17):
Thanksgiving during COVID, or they want your home run ball.
Whether it's Rachel Maddow, Mark Cuban women, men, they all
look alike. There's like a uniform. They should be getting
ready to make love to John Goslin in a reality show.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Phillies Karen fits the bill. The stereotypical checks everybody in
the dictionary the picture of the word Karen, He's there.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
So this is kind of what all started this. This
was a game in Miami, the Phillies were taking on
the Marlins. Home run ball gets hit and because it's
a Marlins game, there's not many people there. The ball lands.
People kind of jump on the ball like it's a
fumble and ball almost and this dad gets it. He
comes out of the pile with it and gives it

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to a son and they sit down. And then here
comes Kate Goslin with her little Bob haircut and her
Rachel Maddow glasses, wagging her finger like making contact with
the dad and then demanding the home run ball be
given to her, which ultimately the dad caves and does.
The NBC affiliate and fell At in Philly interviewed Drew,

(55:29):
which is the dad and a son Lincoln on getting
the home run ball and having to give it to
cosplay Rachel Maddow.

Speaker 12 (55:37):
As soon as it cracked off the bat, it was
starting to head our way a little bit. It fell
and kind of bubbled between the two armrests and I
picked it up and I just walked away and held
the ball up high and put it in Lincoln's glove,
and then she showed up.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
As she reached from my arm, she.

Speaker 12 (55:51):
Just yelled in my ear, that's my ball, like super loud.
I jumped out of my skin. Then she's like, those
are from our seats. I said, there was nobody in
that seat. I pretty much just wanted her to go
away and be dad and show him how to de
escalate a situation. So that's where I went.

Speaker 10 (56:06):
I was very happy that we had to give it
to her, but we can't win. She was gonna get
it anyways.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
No no, no, no, no, no no no no. I'm sorry, Dad,
don't de escalate that. We gotta fight these Karen's back. Now.
I'm not saying make physical contact, but it'll be a
cold day in Blue Hell before that woman gets the
home run ball that I gave to my son, which
was his birthday. By the way, this was a birthday.
I didn't know that he was going to the game

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with his old man for his birthday. Oh my gosh.
He ended up with something pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Though.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
The Phillies took care of him. They heard about what happened.
They brought him in the locker room in the hallway.
He got to meet Harrison Bader, the guy that hit
the home run. He got a bat, he got a ball,
he got a swag bag, got you know, like high
five the Phillies players memorable day. Right, that's an experience
for that kid. He'll never get. But man, stop capitulating

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these Karens. I'm sorry, I don't care if you walk
over there, you're not getting the ball. It wasn't like
that dad stole it from her. It was on the ground.
And the rules of foul ball and home run ball
are simple. Whoever comes out of the pile with it
has it. It's like a fumble in football. Whatever happens
in that pile happens, But whoever comes out of it,

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they've got possession. The dad had possession. I'm sorry. Somebody
had to tell that female Mark Cuban to get her
fat ass back in the seat. It's the Hammer and
Nigel Show. Hello.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with
a very special Leiden.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Studio guests representing District twenty for the Indie City County Council.
Michael Paul Hart joins us counselor. We got a lot
of stuff to get to But last time you joined us,
you were the minority leader. And then a couple hours
later you went to a meeting and it was almost
like an episode of Survivor. You were blindsided and they

(58:00):
voted you off the island. Uh, what happened? Good fellas?
Right when you're Petcy just getting made you were walking
into the office. What happened?

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Man?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Did you get backstabbed? Do you feel betrayed?

Speaker 7 (58:15):
Was it a coup?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
What happened?

Speaker 7 (58:17):
It was unexpected? You know, I can tell you that much.
You know, there there is the rule that we can't
talk about happened in caucas outside of caucas But what
I'll say is that it is.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Like fight club. Come on, what's the rule?

Speaker 7 (58:29):
It was?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
What's the rule?

Speaker 7 (58:31):
You're not supposed to talk about what happens in Caucus
outside of caucas Okay, but we can. But long story short,
you know, And what I've said, you know a couple
of times, is I was doing too much too fast
and they wanted to slow down, go back to doing
it the way that they had been doing it for
the years before me.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
And so too much too fast, it says, who, Like
that's the question. Now we've heard and if you can't answer,
I understand. We've heard that you were being too critical
of Joe Hawk sent and for whatever reason, old Diamond
Joe is like Geppeto, pulling the strings of this council
for some reason. I don't know how this guy's in
a position of leverage, but here we are. Is there

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any truth to that?

Speaker 7 (59:14):
I thought I was getting beat up for not being
critical enough on Joe, right. There were folks that want
me to call for his resignation and I didn't. But
there was a vote that came up where I did
support having a conversation about selecting new leaders for the
city County Council, so that would have been VOP and
Ali Brown and I did vote in favor where others

(59:34):
did not vote in favor. So that didn't necessarily come up,
but that would have been anything of that nature.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
And it was the Republicans that moved behind the scenes
to give the leadership back to the previous minority leader,
Brian Mowory. Again, I know you have to work with
these people. It can't just be all, hey, what the
hell's going on here? But man, it feels like that's
a betrayal. Did you feel that way?

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
I wasn't happy about it, you know, I mean, because
I'm I'm very happy about the work we've done or
in the last eight months. You know, we put out
seven different proposals in the eight months I was there,
versus I mean, that's probably about the same amount we've
done in the last five years. Had more press conferences,
had more press releases. I was in the news every
single day, and so I mean it was working. It's
still work. I mean it's still working. I mean, you

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guys are still gracious enough to have me here, so uh,
you know, I think we're on the right track. I've
got smart Indie rolling, A lot of good things are
still happening. So I don't think too much was lost because.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I don't like what happened to you. But you were
too You're working too fast, too fast a pace. So
this is the government. We need you to slow down
just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Here a counselor, and we've interviewed we know Maori, we
know those guys. He's a nice enough guy. But I
just I didn't Yeah, no, I didn't like what would down.
I could imagine you did either. No, no, And that
was a surprise because I think you were here the
day that it happened, and then later you would to
the the committee meeting and then all of a sudden

(01:01:04):
you're like, you're aced out.

Speaker 7 (01:01:05):
Pretty much. That sums it up. Yeah, it was left
here went there. We had a few meetings with some
other folks that from the city, and then that vote
came up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
So if all the problems in the city of Indianapolis,
the Republicans got together and said problem number one is
Michael Paul Hart, Like, come on, man, that's so ridiculous.
Let's get into the crime because this is another big problem.
Right last time you were here, which is about a
month ago, you were rolling out this plan to put
some teeth into the curfew law, because previously, if anybody

(01:01:34):
violated curfew, nothing would happen. It's just a glorified finger
wag and everybody moves on with their lives. You wanted
to make it so there were fines involved for parents
who are not being responsible for their kids. And then
I find out that the Safety Committee, which I don't
believe you're a part of, but you're part of the
city County Council, the Safety Committee says, Nat, we're not

(01:01:57):
going to do that, and no more discussion. Enough safety.
They're the Safety Commission, the Safety Committee, and they don't
want to have any more debate.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
Yeah, you know, you're spot on. So I am part
of it. So I was there. I got to be
a part of the whole conversation. But yeah, essentially I
created a proposal, one of those eight that I created,
and I put it forward and essentially it was, you know,
first time, it's just a letter saying, hey, look, you
continue this, or your child continues to do this, you're
going to get a fine right now. On that second time,
it would have been a fine for five hundred bucks,

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and on the next time it would have been I
think fifteen hundred I put in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
So the first time is the warning, right so you
get a warning if your kid gets out after hours again,
now we're going to have to find you and what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:02:39):
And so basically we put it up there. We had
a debate up to a certain point in time, and
some would say it's too much, or it's offensive, or
I think somebody called it racist at one point, and
you know, I said, look all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Of it, you know, all the keywords, all the buzzwords.

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
Basically, at the end of the day, it's for accountability, right,
it's if your kid's out there determined, it's one hundred
percent of deterrent, right, And so it left then. And
what you were alluding to earlier is that they called
a question. Is that what it's called. It's a Robert's
rule of order motion you can make, which means you
take a vote to just stop talking about the particular item.

(01:03:16):
And that's what one of the counselors did, is I
believe what was Frank Messcary is who did it calls
the question and basically they just wanted to stop talking
about that topic and public safety. And then the Safety committee,
the Safety Committee, yes, didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Want to talk about safety anymore. Correct, Okay, because I
feel like sometimes when you say these things out loud,
it becomes even more laughable. It does.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
And when you hear us kind of giggle and laugh,
that's all I can do. That's that's all we can
that's all we're capable of right now, because it sounds
so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Christa Carlino, one of your fellow counselors, was complaining that
some people might have might not have the money to
pay the fines here, but kind of isn't that the point.
It's called a deterrent, right, right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
Yeah, The point was to get people other than just
start throwing out fines all day. The point was to say,
if we have to, we will. But hey, this is
what's going to happen if this behavior keeps coming up, Right,
if you don't have the money, make sure a little
Johnny or little Susie is in the house and not
out on the streets of Indianapolis at two.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
O'clock in the morning. Absolutely, Oh my goodness. All right,
so let's move on to some stuff that maybe discussed tonight. Okay,
because if I keep focusing on that, I'm want to
have an aneurysm. Aes. They keep wanting to jack up
our rates here. I know this is something you have
on your radar for tonight.

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
Absolutely, And I will say this is Jason Hammond inspired, right.
I mean I listened to the show and I could
hear the grief. So I said, you know, we got
to do something payback, And no, not really, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Not the case.

Speaker 7 (01:04:45):
But basically what it is is we have the option
here at the city to do special resolutions, which is
kind of the ceremonial things. Right, you get a baseball
team Bishcore one stayed a couple of years back. We
brought them in and said, good job. But we also
have what are called general resolution, and that's what I'm
doing is a general resolution, which requires a committee vote,
it requires a stance by the city County Council.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
And so I.

Speaker 7 (01:05:08):
Created a general resolution proposal that essentially urges AES to
withdraw their petition to the Regulatory Commission. And that commission
is who sets the rates. And if AEES does not
rescind their petition in the proposal, it then encourages the
IURC to deny the request. And why this is important,

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it does a couple things. One is it allows people
to come to a committee and state their frustrations and
aggression with why you would want to raise the rates again.
And then two, it then creates an official stance from
the City County Council of Indianapolis, probably the largest rate
paying area for AES.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
And it's not like AES is coming to the table
saying we need a new data center. They're coming to
the table saying we're doing it. Because right, yeah, this
was different from data center. This is more tied to
some other things I've learned about.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
Of where they're trying to transplant some or a piece
of it, where they're trying to move off coal in
some places and move to natural gas and others. And
there's a lot of different suggestions of what could happen
to prevent rate increases from going up, like you know,
keeping these things in parallel, keeping coal plants while you're
creating gas powered plants. Instead, AES wants to stop using
the coal power plants and then start and then move

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on to the natural gas sooner.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
It's going to be fascinating tonight, Nige to see what
kind of counselors, just because he's got an R next
to his name, are going to be pro AES and
screwing the taxpayer.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Now, I just I think this whole thing is unbelievable.
Like AES they had that disaster a couple of what
like a year ago, and then they said, well, we're
going to jack or rates up a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Right, have power after the dur ratio, yes whatever it's
called for about four to five days. Some people like
Matt Hibblin in the back didn't have power for like
five days. But now we're going to jack up your rates, right,
And it's not because we need a new data center.
It's almost like the Dave Chappelle show skit, Why because

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screw them. That's why Michael Paul Hart is here part
of the city County Council. So let's talk about the
data centers and a rare sign of everybody coming together.
It seems like in Singing Kumbayah, the Republicans, Democrats, you
guys have all teamed up to say no to this
big Google data center that's proposed near Franklin Township here

(01:07:35):
in Indianapolis. It's wild when you guys can all come
together like on this one subject. There's no difference between
you and Jesse Brown counselor. Like, you guys are all
together here.

Speaker 7 (01:07:45):
It is true, and so we got to keep it
that way, right, So it's a two step thing. Tonight
is the first of two votes. So tonight I'll call
down for a hearing and then on the twenty second
we'll have the final vote and we'll need fifteen votes
that night. But what's interesting is there is an overwhelming
outspoken level of opposition to it from the council. So
there are sixteen counselors who have publicly said they oppose it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Today.

Speaker 7 (01:08:09):
There's many reasons. So there's environmental reason that some are
just opposed to it because of the water, electricity, the
impact of nature, the quality of life to the folks
that live there. I mean, think of an ikea building
being dropped in a field right next to your house
that's three hundred thousand square feet. I mean, they're massive buildings.
But then they have to be protected by backup generators
that are tested weekly and so it run at sixty

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five decibels at a constant noise rate. So you've got
that quality of life. You've got the tax components to it.
Energy tax, sales tax both abated for fifty years at
one hundred percent. That means they're not paying anything. Forty
years on personal equipment property tax that's the stuff inside
the building, and then that's also one hundred percent abated.

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I mean they're not paying anything. And then the last one,
which is the big one, is just the land real
estate property tax. It's abated for ten years at fifty
percent of forty years.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
When we're all dead and gone, we'll start finally start
reaping the benefits of the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
These fifty jobs that are created. And it's fifty tops, right,
that's it. Fifty jobs, that's all.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
Fifty a building and up to four buildings. So you
might get two hundred and ten years, but that's in
technology doesn't change. I mean, look back fifty for technology.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
And they get the tax brakes and they steal all
the resources. Unbelievable. But this thing isn't over because boss
Hog sets into this thing. And for those who haven't
been keeping score, the group that is behind the big
push here, Joe Hogg set is like the advisor of
that group. So you've got potentially taxpayer money with this thing.

(01:09:45):
Joe Hogg sets the advisor. He could financially benefit if
this gets approved, but yet the council is against him.
But if we know any think about Joe, he's not
going down without a fight here or without a drink.
He is going to fight back. And what's going on
they're still trying to lobby to make this happen.

Speaker 7 (01:10:03):
Oh absolutely, So what it is is the Mayor's office
created an organization. It's basically a nonprofit called the IEDI,
the Indianapolis Economic Development Inc. And essentially they've got a
contract for a million bucks and all they have to
do is produce four quarterly reports a year.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Who's the main advisor to that group?

Speaker 7 (01:10:21):
Again, so the chairman, the chairman of the board is
joehawks It. I don't think he draws a salary. I
always clear that up for him. I don't, but he
is the chairman of that So the direction at which
that organization goes ultimately goes to his discretion. And that
is the group that is out with Google with as
actively lobbying counselors on both sides, but also the school corporation.

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They're trying to get the school corporation to flip in
order to oh and try and influence.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Votes the way they do referendums. Right, you get the
kids involved, Well, the school needs this huge, don't hay children?

Speaker 8 (01:10:57):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
And that's how you get this crap through.

Speaker 7 (01:11:00):
Exactly what is the school need? Google? We can provide
that to you and then if so, that should then
maybe get some other counselors to go back the other
way because it was good for the school.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
A bunch of promises to the school that will never
come true, but people will buy and believe an attempt to
try to win favor over exactly unbelievable.

Speaker 9 (01:11:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
I appreciate you taking the time to come in here.
We went through a bunch of stuff at about fifteen minutes.
I know you got to get to the meeting tonight,
but man, go in there and raise hell for us.

Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
All right, we'll do you got it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Good luck, Michael Paul Heart's Indie City County Council.

Speaker 9 (01:11:33):
Are you really?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Are you alcome? Thank's going to be okay? Are you okay? Yeah?
I'm fine.

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
I'm pretty freeing far from okay?

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Are you okay with this? On the Hammer and Nigel? Yeah,
all right, m real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Some people are pointing out that Sabrina Carpenter, who's a
singer songwriter. She was on the Disney Channel, she was
on Girl meets work Old. I think my daughter watched
it for a while. She but she's a singer songwriter.
She they're saying that Nobody's Son, which is a song
of her, sounds like John Party. Who John Party is

(01:12:13):
country music singer? Yeah, Heartache Medication. Here's a clip of
Carpenter's song into Party. What do you think? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Yeah? Are you okay with this? That sounds identical? Like
there needs to be a lawsuit right there. If I'm
John Party, I'm lawyering up because it's not like even
a sample. The lyrics are pretty much on par the
same type of cadence. It's all right there, so yeah,

(01:12:56):
that's that's something, and that brings us to great moments
in that sounds familiar history. Great moments and that sounds
familiar history. There was an artist called Sammy Switch who
had a song called Oh Why, and Sammy Switch sued

(01:13:16):
Ed Sheeran because his song shape of You sounded like
his Take a listen, this is that shearing. This is
Sammy Switch. What do you think Nudge.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Has the same kind of nonsensical blabbering. O.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
All right, here's one where the judge said, yes, this
is a rip off and Katy Perry had to pay money.
Katy Perry's dark Horse compared to the song Joyful Noise.

(01:14:13):
That's Katy Perry chapter. I heard a lot of words
that have tickled to me in the ears. That's like
I praised at me here the word became Katy Perry
had to pay for the Katy Perry was found guilty
and had to pay royalties to uh that Christian rapper

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that did Joyful Noise. I heard it last one here
real quick. This was thrown out by the judge Mariah
cares all I want for Christmas compared to a song
from the eighties with the same name by Vince Vance.
This is the Vince Vance version.

Speaker 6 (01:15:02):
Okay, yeah, Riah, Yeah, just through that one out, though
Katy Perry had to pay Just through that one out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
No, that sounds more like Katie, like Katy Perry got screwed.
Mariah Kerry got away with one. There it's the Hammer
and Nigel Show. My name is Nigel, Jason Hammer right
over there. Final score Indianapolis Colts thirty three, Miami Dolphins eight.
Big blowout there, Lucas Oil. The Colts win their first
game of the regular season, which in and up itself

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is quite an accomplishment for the Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Correct some of the Colts players were ten years old,
but last time the Colts won an opener.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
So Hammer, the big question is Colts looked great, had
some positive I mean, it was a fun game to watch,
but they.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Played the Dolphins. Which is it? You know, Dolphins could
be ass Let's find out from one of the guys
that talk about this for a living, Kevin Bowen, part
of the morning show over on what oh seven to
five The fan KB back for another year breaking down
Colts games with US. So what is it, Kevin? Are
the Colts better or are the Dolphins? Ass Well, that

(01:16:16):
is a.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
Great, great question, very descriptive as well. You know we
have gone through and you know US three have done
these Monday combos for I don't know the last three
or four years, we've gone through so much, this absolute
misery the Monday after the opener, Like, I don't even
think I'm ready to entertain that question. Fans can feel
however they want today, if you want to move Peyton

(01:16:37):
Manning's statue to you know, Shapiro's this parking lot and
build Daniel.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Jones attu out run by all.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
Means that was a thorough you said, hass. All I
know is that was an aps kicking. And yes, Miami
might stink and the Colts might be the New Orleans
Saints of last year who did this in Week one,
but nonetheless we haven't seen anything like that. I mean, hell,
all their wins last year, we're by one score, all
eight of them. Yesterday, it was never even close to
a one score game, especially after halftime. So that was

(01:17:06):
a thorough, surgical, clinical beatdown on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
So let's start at the quarterback position here. A lot
of people thought it was a controversial decision to go
with Daniel Jones over Anthony Richardson. I know a lot
of calls and messages came into your show about that topic.
Talk about why it looked like to be the right decision. Well,
I think what.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
You're gonna get with Daniel Jones, there's certainly the hope is,
and you saw that play out over sixty minutes yesterday,
is you're going to get methodical. You're going to get
ball control, You're going to get the ball in the
hands of playmakers, and then they're going to do a
lot of the heavy lifting after the catch. And Shane
Syken is bullish on what he designs up and the
scheme of their offense. And again I think that was

(01:17:49):
on full display. Outside of really one ball, they should
have been picked. I mean Jones with Fawless, he gave
guys chances to make plays. It's not the flashiest, you know,
Josh Allen type of wo he plays, but at the
end of the day, again, it's a very efficient kind
of think baseball analogy, more singles than doubles, and if
you can build enough hits up. You can, you know,
get runners over and get them in. I think that's

(01:18:12):
what you saw. You saw a lot of scoring drives
that were sustained drives. You know, when you hear ball
control that phrase, you think of a running game a lot.
And Jonathan Taylor was fine, But really the ball control
is Daniel Jones doing a whole lot of it again
with that right arm and letting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Guys make plays.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
So that is exactly I think what the Colts are
hoping for, and that's really what they got from him yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
I think Daniel Jones ruined a parlay you had with
Tyler Warren. Oh no, with Jonathan Taylor. Oh, with Jonathan Taylor.
Jonathan Taylor touchdown away from hitting that same game parlay,
and that that vulture that Shandy Dimes comes diving in
there himself. Kevin Ken, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Gonna say hammer and I traded text that the Tyler
Warren over under three and a half catches, that was
the lock. That might be the easiest lock we have
all year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Oh yeah, we gave that one on your show on Thursday,
and that felt like free money. There's no such thing
as free money, but that came close. Hey, talk about
Tyler Warren real quick here, because fans like myself, you know,
we've been saying for years we need an NFL caliber
tight end to help move the chains, not a basketball

(01:19:20):
player they're trying to turn into a tight end, not
some project and Ballard for all of those years very
politely gave us the middle finger. Now here's a kid,
this Tyler Warren, cat boy, he seems like the real
deal and it's making a big difference.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Yeah, he's a stud, flat out. You know, Rookie tight
ends do not do that in Week one. How the Colts,
to your point, haven't had a tight end put up
those numbers. Seven catches for seventy six yards since Jeff's
Saturday was the interim head coach. That's how long we
have to go back to. So it's been quite humbling
a tight end. And you know, again, you can watch
the catches and watch the yards after catch and watch

(01:19:58):
him jump up in the air and catch and it's
all very evident and obviously the stat line backs it up.
But go back and watch the Michael Pittman junior touchdown
and it's a little football nerdy, but you will see
on that play Miami and giving Tyler Warren a ton
of respects. I mean they are treating him like, you know,
whatever you would treat the first lady. And all of

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a sudden there's Michael Pittman Jr. Wide open down the
right sideline and Daniel Jones process that found Michael Pittman Jr.
For the touchdown. Like Warren clearly is already commanding, you know,
big time Pro Bowl level type of attention from the
opposing defense. And despite that, he still had again the
biggest day of Colts sit in is out in the year,

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So Hamerton, you and I of course talked about it
on Thursday. I thought Warren. I thought three and a
half catches was laughable. You know, you saw youth as
a fullback on one play. The Colts really have not
had a skill player like this in quite some time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Mentioned him just a minute ago, the running back Jonathan Taylor.
Your analysis how important and is heat to the offense.
I think he had a really good game yesterday as well.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Yeah, he carried the ball fifteen times in the first half,
which is a huge number for those kind of unfamiliar
with how running backs are utilized in today's NFL. He
actually left the game late in the third quarter, kind
of got hit in the neck area, you know, from
like a medical alarming standpoint. Shane Styken down played a
post game and he never like went into the blue
ten or win in the locker room. He actually put

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his helmet back on a one point and then I
think someone was like, hey, the score is like a
million to zero, why don't you just take the rest of.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
The game off.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
Now. Up until that point, they haven't used any other
running back, which again is kind of rare in today's
league to not see a little bit of a rotation there.
So you know, anytime Taylor is not in the game,
I think it gets attention, not from just the betters
or the fantasy footballers, but you know, he's really, again
a pretty unique running back in that they play him
a lot and give.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Him the ball a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
So it's just something to keep an eye on as
the season moves along.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Kevin Bowen with us part of the morning show on
one oh seven to five, the capping that Big Colts
win some of the other storylines coming out of that game. Kevin,
I thought it was interesting that when they announced the Colts,
like there wasn't the usual starting lineup here's the offense
or here's the defense. It was here's the Colts and

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they just ran out. That seemed like it was a
little different, and maybe that's part of the new leadership
of the Orsa Daughters.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Yeah, I was curious about that. I definitely need to
look into that because I definitely noticed that as well.
You know, I think from a halftime standpoint, it maybe
maybe needed to add a minute or two for the
Ring of honor ceremonies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
I mean, it sounds stupid, but I don't know. If
the NFL rules mandate a then you need to trim
a little bit from the pre game.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
But yes, I cannot recall the last time that was funny.
I did think to myself, boy, I don't know who
on offense outside of Jonathan Taylor and maybe Tyler Warner
get a lot of big Daniel Jones before the game
was not going to get some resounding cheer right from
those in attendance. I actually thought it was one of
the smoothest traffic commutes I've ever had to a Colt's game,
and I was kind of curious what the atmosphere would

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would be like. I think it got there, and certainly
when your defense, frankly, you know, they just need honor
Loui Arumo. Almost next Sunday was Denver because I thought
that defense was outstanding.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Yesterday, Hey, real quick, you mentioned that. You know the
crowd I thought I was there. You know, I got
a sunburn from sitting where I was. The sun was
shining right through here. I got cooked. Man, I looked
every bit like somebody from Beechgrove, Indiana. Absolutely. But the
one thing I will say, I did not see as
many Dolphin jerseys as years past when the Dolphins have

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came in. Maybe it was just opening Day, maybe it
was some other reason. I don't know, but I didn't
see as many visitor jerseys.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Yeah, and you know, Miami it kind of walked into
the season a bit similar as Indy, like, okay, what's
the future of this franchise? You know, head coach GM
not as much quarterback, although to certainly was humbled yesterday
in that start there. So I don't know if that
had much to do with it. You know, one thing
I know we talked about, you know, maybe a little
bit more in the preseason, the Colts having a certainly

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on paper, they have a huge opportunity here. Early in
the year, I predicted them the get also a four
and two start, obviously, I think could look like yesterday
looked like from just a domination. But you know they're
going to get Denver here at home. That's kind of
a coin flip game. They'll get a rookie quarterback in
week three. They've got the Raiders and Cardinals in early
kickoffs for the West Coast teams coming up in week
five and six at home, so this schedule is a

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little bit more backloaded. So I think it's definitely paramount
they get off to a good start.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Last thing here before we let you go, Kevin, your
thoughts on the halftime ceremony. Jim Ersay going in the
ring of honor, Peyton spoke pretty much all of the
guys that are still with us or not working somewhere
right now. We're there, Sons Marshall Falk and Eric Dickerson.
I believe all of guys were there.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
I thought it Zilli tase Fly, I thought the whole day,
you know, the pregame honoring, for example, they had that
Eastern choir saying the national anthem. They also sang at
her Say's funeral. You know, just a little thing like
they had these bottled cokes in the press box, which
are they always loved, And you know people obviously have
the shirts on for the boss, and you know, bobbleheads

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I think went to the sweet ticket holders and things
like that. So certainly they honored him, I thought, again
in a very respectful manner. Now thought Peyton did a
nice job at half time. Obviously Carly the oldest daughter,
spoke afterwards. You could hear Kaylin Jackson, the youngest daughter's
emotion in that postgame locker room. But Jim Mercy would
be the first to tell you the real way you

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honor me is by playing good football, and certainly they
did that complimentary football, and that, to me is probably
what had Jim Rsey smiling down through that open roof
more than anything.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
What's coming up on the Big Show tomorrow morning.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
Yeah, we have Kenny Moore the second on our show
late today, so for those that miss they, we'll probably
rerack that coming up at the seven o'clock hour. For
those up in early entire Tony Katz in the morning
to football over to us around seven point thirty. Uh,
but yes, we'll do that and the Fever have their
final game of season. They clinched the playoff spots, so
they will start that coming up here this weekend. So

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it's been a really impressive story around the Caitlin Clark
injuries that have marred her season.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
So we'll talk a little Fever as well. Check them
out on the Morning show one oh seven five. The
fan that is Kevin Bowen KB. Great job, my friend.
We'll talk again next week. You bet.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Boys excited you to start again. Talky next Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
It's the Hammer and Nigel Show. I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Hammer.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
It's just you got cooked yesterday at that Cold's game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Did you not know like where your seats were at
that the sun was just going to be blazing down
on you?

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
I mean I knew where my seats were at. I
knew the roof would be opened. It never occurred to
me that I would know, you know, come back home
looking like I went down to Florida for the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Really just has to do your research and figure out
out at that time of day where the sun is
coming in when the roof is open during a Colts game.
I'm Nigel, that's Hammer. How was halftime? How was the
tribute to Jim Mersey and the Ring of Honor.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
It was really good. Kevin mentioned this last segment. At
times it felt rushed, like toward the end, right before
they unveiled the name, really like the players were starting
to run back on the field. Oh yeah, here was
Peyton Manning's speech to the crowd.

Speaker 13 (01:27:27):
It gave the city a team it could pour its
heart into. As players, we could feel Jim's commitment every day.
His office was in the facility, he was in the
locker room after games, mo Home went away. He loved
the Colts, the Horseshoe, and that was the kind of
owner every player dreams of playing for. Jim gave us

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a stage and you a team. He did everything he
could to make sure we were worthy of your cheers.
But even at your very best, it was never just
you the fans behind us. Jim, he didn't just own
the Colts. He bound us all together. His legacy roars
with every one of you. There is no place Jim

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Mersey belongs more than right here in the Colts Ring
of Honor.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
It was col seeing all the guys back, like Marvin
Harrison was there and Dallas Clark and all those guys
but the best speech came at the end Carly Ursay Gordon,
who has kind of become the face of the Indianapolis Colts. Now.
I know it's a three way ownership, but she's the
one running the football here she was speaking about her dad.

Speaker 14 (01:28:35):
Thank you all so much. Especially, we'd like to thank
our Ring of Honor members for helping us induct our
dad and grandpa into our Ring of Honor. Dad, we
wish you were here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Colts Nation, thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:28:52):
For your support these past months. Our dad loved you.
It brought him the utmost pride enjoy to be the
steward of this franchise that has brought us all the
Lombardi Trophy, so many winning seasons and what brings us
all together all And while there are no words that

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fully capture what our dad meant to the Colts in Indianapolis,
our aim is true to honor our dad and make
him proud by living our mission to entertain, inspire and
unite by winning the right way. As much as we
will miss our dad, we know he'd want us to

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look forward to win games and to make our horses
shoes shine. And that's exactly what we're going to do.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
All right, all right for you, all right, Carly. I
like Carly. She's not here to screw around.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
I like Carly A great deal. It's the Hammer and
Nigel Show.