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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hammer and Nigel do you believe these characters are weirdos?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hammer? Do you want to reset? I mean, look, the
story of the guy here in India arrested ninety nine
times is starting to make national headlines. It's starting to
make the judges and the prosecutors in this city look
like a holes. And if you just want to reset
that real quick, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
I love that the rest of the country is finally
seeing what we see on the regular. But the story is,
there was a guy that was recently arrested for an
attempted stabbing, and they originally charged him with an attempted murder.
Since then, because it's Marion County, before it even went

(00:47):
to a judge, they lowered the charge. Ah FOP president
Rick Snyder talked about that yesterday on our program. If
you missed that conversation, go back and listen to the
podcast at WIBC dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Pretty powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
But the guy that did it has now been arrested
ninety nine times is stabbing.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
It was the stabbing the ninety ninth or is that
ninety nine?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Okay, that was ninety nine, and the prosecutor has already
downgraded the charge from attempted murder to aggravated battery, which
allows for lower bond, less jail time, and a suspended sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
How convenient for the assailant. Right, oh well, thanks judge,
Thanks prosecutor.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Like this didn't even get into the weeds of the
legal system yet. Like the first thing that the prosecutor's
office did was lowered the charge on a dude who's
been arrested.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Say it with me ninety nine times, and.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm hearing arguments from people saying, well, that guy has autism.
That guy was homeless. You know, he was a for
trespassing a lot. Where did you want him to go? Look,
being autistic does not give you a green light to
break the law.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Where did you want him to go? I don't want
I don't care where he goes. Just don't stab random
people that are in from out of town for a
few I believe it was a funeral, right right.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
That's the thing that sums up Marion County the most.
A person recently came to town to attend a funeral of
somebody who was murdered and then they got stabbed. That's
Marion County for you. And when Ryan Mears and Boss
Hog set they go up there and they tell you

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all the statistics show.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
That crime is down.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Like hog set's really trying to shove that down to
everybody's throat. When you watch an interview with the police
officer right now and understand, nobody's more pro police in
this town than you and I are.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Nige.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
We support the police when it wasn't cool to do so,
like during the George Floyd time, right when everybody wanted
to defund the police.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
We thought that was crap.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
But don't lie to us and tell us what our
own eyes can see for ourselves. You're not supposed to
set a record every year. I say it all the time.
So when you tell me crime is down over the
last five years, well, the last five years have been
the most violent five years in the history of the city.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
So let's just pump the brakes a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
The last two years.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Last five days, right, five people were murdered in a
twenty four hour span. Indianapolis is outpacing Chicago in homicides
per capita by at least ten percent, according to the
latest numbers given to us by the FOP.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
You're saying this guy that's been arrested ninety nine Times
latest for attempted murder downgraded to what aggraded. Battery is
making national headlines. People, it's getting national attention. It is.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
This is a story that just shows how broken not
just Indianapolis, but I'll lot of justice systems all around
the country. Stephen Miller, he is the Deputy chief of
Staff for policy under Donald Trump. He's like the bald guy,
but he's super smart and he always is the smartest
guy in the room. That cat he retweeted libs of TikTok,

(04:19):
who had shared this story, and Stephen Miller writes, quote,
we don't have to live this way. And he's absolutely
right now Stephen Miller, He's also big into what Trump's
trying to do in some of these high crime Democrat cities.
She'd come here, right, Maybe the next time the governor's here,

(04:40):
we can have a conversation.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I believe that governor might be here October eighth for
his next visit. So if that's the case, put this
on the docket of things to talk about.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
So Trump's in Memphis now, like he's sending is he
sending the guard?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
What's he doing sending anyone available ice the guard? Every
thing that he did in Washington, d C. That's happening
in Memphis, and it's about to happen in Portland. Those
are the next steps.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Now.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
ICE is working overtime in Chicago right now, but they
haven't brought in National Guard yet. But in Memphis, it's
anybody that's available. They held a press conference last night.
Here is Stephen Miller.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
We will liberate this city from the criminal element that
is plagued it for generations. This is not just a
strategy shift, this is an attitude shift. We are not
going to live in an environment every war anywhere where
there is a street that belongs to a criminal, where
there is a neighborhood that belongs to a gang, where there.

Speaker 7 (05:40):
Is any physical space anywhere that belongs to anyone other
than the law abiding citizens and families of Memphis. The
idea that there is a square inch of block in
this city where a citizen doesn't feel safe is unacceptable.
This is Memphis, this is the United States of America.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
And all that is done, it's over, it's finished.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Replace. I mean, could you imagine hearing that if you're
living in Memphis, in one of those high risk areas
where there's a lot of poverty and a lot of crime.
Could you imagine just you know, wanting to live your
life and hearing someone and say those words, and how
that would be amazing.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
And look, there's a lot of people that probably didn't
vote for Trump that live there, right that would be
happy to hear.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
That, right. I'd be happy to hear it here, right.
And I think it's been said here by IMPD and
the upper echelon of their leadership, but man coming from
Trump's cabinet is something totally different that was pretty powerful.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Now, in order to pull this off, you have to
have enough federal prosecutors to come in.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
That's the problem with Indianapolis right now.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
You could have the National Guard come in, but if
it has to go through Captain woke Pants Prosecution Office,
then they're just going to kick those people back out
to the streets. You've got to bring in some sort
of outside prosecutors. And I know that the IMPD and
even Boss Hog set have been trying to do this
as much as they can, but you can't do it

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all the time unless it's a federal issue. The White
House now saying that mass layoffs are imminent with no
end to the shutdown in sight, so.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I'm trying to decide if that's a good thing or
a bad thing in terms of the shutdown, because I
thought that's what Doge was supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Correct, But it's also a little bit of mixed messaging. Okay,
So jd Vance, he spoke yesterday and he admits, you know,
he could be wrong, but he doesn't think this thing's
going to be very long.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
I actually don't think it's going to be that long
of a shutdown. This is a pure guess from the
Vice President the United States, because I think you already
saw some evidence that moderate Democrats are cracking a little,
but they understand the fundamental.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Illogic of this.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
Look for years, every single one of us, we can
remember Barack Obama on the White House lawn, we can
remember Chuck Schumer, we can remember you know, Nancy Pelosi
for years, in Chuck Schumer's case, for literally decades, we've
heard them say, you don't shut the government down over
policy disagreement. Okay, Republicans think this thing about healthcare, that
thing about healthcare. Democrats think this thing about immigration. Republicans disagree.

(08:26):
Whatever those disagreements are, you don't shut down the government
over it. For the first time since the Democrats have
been in politics, they're now saying that unless we get
every policy item that we demand, we're going to shut
down the people's government. They're trying to take a hostage
and we're not going to let them.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Okay, So that was Jda Vance, a Democrat shut down,
No question. It's really down to one issue. And I
know we've debated with Rob Kendall about this because Rob
wants to take you down some rabbit hole of Obamacare
this and Obamacare that. But if you're really just trying
to get down to brass tax here, it comes down
to health care for illegal immigrants.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Are you for it or are you against it? That's
what this is coming down to. Nudge. If you need
a reason to drink tonight's your birthday. It's my birthday.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Today, eight forty eight years old, John Man, Happy birthday.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Here with a special greeting is former President Joe Biden.

Speaker 9 (09:22):
Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday, Happy.

Speaker 10 (09:34):
Birthday to you.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Oh thank you, Former President Biden.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
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Speaker 3 (09:42):
Here to really kick off the birthday festivities are some
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Speaker 9 (09:52):
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Speaker 4 (09:57):
Biden have a wonderful and happy birthday. I remember when
my friend Willie Brown had a birthday. The gift I
gave him was I put.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
His I think the kids call it hawktua and they
have a very special birthday that is unburdened by what
has been Well.

Speaker 11 (10:14):
Look, who has a birthday? Try not to choke on
the fourteen pieces of cake. I'm sure you will eat, you,
fat bastard.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Do you ever want a favor?

Speaker 11 (10:21):
And you know, walk your fat ass into oncoming traffic.
You will either get hit by a car or get
some actual exercise by walking.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Either way, humanity wins, you, degenerate pig.

Speaker 12 (10:31):
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a terrible birthday. Congrats on being the only guy I
know that is even more creepy than Greg Doyle.

Speaker 10 (10:39):
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Speaker 12 (10:40):
What did Jason Hammer's gambling picks and Angel Rees's shooting
layups both have in common? The answer they both miss
all of the time. They have a great birthday, or don't.
I really don't care, Ai Caitlin.

Speaker 13 (10:51):
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me bock set. But if you were going to be
drinking at all on your birthday, I was wondering if Thomas,
Carl Cook and I could stop by. We can bring
all of the chicks we have allegedly harassed, a few
bottles of Dark Eyes and we can get lit.

Speaker 10 (11:13):
Well, I've gotta go be soft on crime.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Call me if you're drinking.

Speaker 14 (11:16):
Happy birthday, you fat bastard cofeffee.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Oh thank you to all the AI friends of the show.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh that was wonderful. That was beautiful.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oh Matt, I'm blushing, Thank you, Matt Bear.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
You was listening to the Hammer and Nigel show. My
show tomorrow Coaches Tever presented by the Finish Long Drink
with Hammer and Nigel fresh off of birthday. Hammer, your
birthday is today, Happy birthday, and we're gonna celebrate in
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like with actor Miles Teller and golf for Ricky Fowler.
I can't wait to taste it.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
It's long, it's strong, it's down to get the friction
on the Finish Long.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
A gotta tell you something about tomorrow. It's going to
cost me money to come to work tomorrow because I
will be taking an uber.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yes, sir, I tell you there is no way.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm doing a live broadcast the Coach's tavern and driving
down here by myself. I'm not gonna I go. Lindsey
was like, just can you have just one? And I go, Now,
I can't just have one? Right, We're doing a show,
a Friday show from the bar. All right, I'm kind

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of insulted.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yes, Like I love you, babe, but I'm kind of
insulted that you ask.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I'm trying to do the right thing, right, I'm trying
to do the right thing here and get an uber.
And she's like, well, why don't you just just have one?
And I'm like, well, you just let me do my thing.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Why don't you go to the Decorator show house by yourself?

Speaker 15 (13:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Okay, well then I get to drink whatever I want
on beer sample Friday.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
That's how this is gonna work.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
And listen, there's gonna be two less parking spots, I'm sorry,
two more open parking spots in our garage because I'm
not driving down here tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
I'm getting dropped off by the boy.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
So it's it's not gonna be pretty tomorrow this show.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Is it pretty any day?

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Like if you watch us on the YouTube chat, we
just say that it's pretty any day. So if you
don't know where Coaches Tavern is, it's downtown on Pennsylvania Street.
It's like one block from the Fieldhouse, like diagonal from
the field hooun can't miss it.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Park anywhere you can. And let's pack that joint.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
We want as many people as possible in there, and
let's have a day. Let's have a show now, Kurt,
We've been kicking this off for the last couple of days.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Let's keep it rolling. I want some Halloween stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Pumpkins, candy, costumes, Halloween stuff.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
We got you covered here at the Hammer and Nigel Show.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
We have you covered.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
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Speaker 2 (14:19):
I'm already looking at it.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
You can go to the Hammer in Nigel Show Merchandise
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Speaker 4 (14:29):
How would you describe it, Nige.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
It's a big giant face of Hillary Clinton that says
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Speaker 3 (14:38):
Very simple to the point. This is my scary Halloween shirt.
And the big picture of Hillary Clinton's face right there
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go to your office parties, wear it all October. We've
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look for Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
It's up there.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
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We're going to be having some more stuff being added soon.
The hoodies are going to be coming back once the
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Speaker 4 (15:29):
That's the plan anyway.

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Get your Halloween Hillary Clinton's shirt. It's right there. It's
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This may be one of the most important causes that

(15:52):
need your immediate attention of this October, Nigel.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
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Speaker 2 (16:53):
Nigel Show, The Hammer Nigel Show. My name is Nigel.
Jason Hammer is here. The government is still shut down
in our have not changed one bit. It's a little
better to be honest with you. We'll go to the
hotline and bring on a gentlemen that's spent a lot
of time in the swamp. Bright Barton News Deputy Politics
Editor Bradley J. Bradley, thank you for coming on the show.

(17:15):
Maybe just real quick before we talk about the shutdown,
give our listeners some context of your background. Who you
are and what it is that you do.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, great to be with y'all. As always, I worked
before coming to Bright Part worked on Capitol Hill for many,
many years as a congressional staffer on the Senate for
seven years, in the House for five or six years
in political communications policy roles. So have been around for

(17:45):
a shutdown or two. Yeah, but this is a setdown
of a different color.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
There's no doubt why.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's always been that. Well. Number one, Republicans are always
the ones who are trying to make these demands for
some kind of big policy changes one way or the other,
and Republicans have never been united about what they actually
want in the path forward. This time is different, and
that is one reason why I think that Republicans actually

(18:14):
have a chance to win the messaging battle and maybe
get a little bit more out of this one as well.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Talk a little bit about the messaging battle here, because
I know for guys like us, you know, we talk
about this stuff every day we live.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
In this world.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
We see it, we get it.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
But I feel like if you go into any barber
shop across America, you go into any Denny's or a
waffle house and say, hey, who do you think is
winning the messaging battle. I don't even think half the
people know the government's shut down because their mail still
being delivered and checks are still being passed out. Is
there really a messaging battle.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
That's a very good point that you're making. And the
Democrats want this to become more widespread, they want it
to be talked about in barbaris, but it's not. Donald
Trump totally controls the narrative right now. He's sucking up
all the oxygen. Democrats are so desperate they don't even
want to win the shutdown, and they're making unreasonable demands

(19:14):
that they know will never happen. They just want to
force a national conversation on healthcare because that's the one
issue where they feel like they might have some kind
of advantage of Republicans. But they're doing a terrible job
at it. They can't say on message. They're getting distracted
by Donald Trump posting memes online of Democrat leader Hakeem

(19:38):
Jeffries in a sombrero in a Vexican ow fit, and
what the king Jeffries do? He pivots to talking about
Trump being referenced. He can't even say o message to
make this about health care Meanwhile, Republicans are just punneling
Democrats talking about how they're trying to provide taxpayer funded
healthcare to illegals. CNN says that that's not true. Republicans

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are lying, but you have even Democrats in Congress saying
that's exactly what we're trying to do. So Democrats for
once are stepping all over their message while Republicans are
united and saying, you know what, all we want to
do is keep the government.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Open, and make no mistake about it. Big picture here,
this is a Democrat government shutdown right.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Unquestionably, Republicans have the White House, Republicans have the House, yep,
Republicans have the Senate. The only reason that the short
term seven week cr has not been passed is because
there are only fifty three Republicans and you need sixty
to advance this, so Democrats have a little bit of leverage.

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But this is only a short term funding bill. This
isn't the kind of legislation that you want to make
these huge, gargantuine changes to. And the thing is there
actually would be a time for that over the next
seven weeks in Congress works on a broader, longer term
government spending plan. But Democrats are sabotaging that. They are

(21:08):
nuking their own chases of that by blowing up this
seven week cr It's just total political malpractice.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Bradley, one more thing on this government shut down deal here.
This happened before during Trump's first presidency, and he was
pretty you know, proud to say I'm happy to shut
down the government. It went on for you know, a
number of days, but at the end of it, he
didn't really get the funding for his wall that he wanted.

(21:37):
How is Donald Trump different now? How is this Republican
Congress different now than they were back in his first term.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I think that there's no question that Trump has I
almost want to say matured. I don't know if that's
quite right, but you can tell he's much more comfortable
and confident in his role, partly because he doesn't have
every other Republican in Washington, DC waiting to knife him
in the back like in his first term. Looking the

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last shutdown in eighteen a b bled into twenty nineteen.
Republicans had just lost the House. This was in the
lame duck session. Trump wanted four to five billion dollars
four or five billion, that's almost nothing. When you consider
that the one big beautiful bill passed earlier the year
had oh gosh, I think like forty five billion just

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for a wall, on top of billions and billions more
for border security. But all of the Republicans at that time,
back in eighteen were not aligned around Trump. Trump shutting
down the government over that. It's also worth noting that
was not a full government shutdown. It was only a
partial government shutdown. Some of it was funded. But also

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Democrats they were just days away from retaking the House
and getting more leverage, so they had no incentive to
go along with Trump. Then this is an entirely different
ballgame of Democrats are looking silly, They're making demands that
are changing from day to day. They're getting distracted. And again,

(23:13):
Republicans have such a straightforward request. We want to keep
the government open just for seven weeks so that we
can actually continue by partisan negotiations, and Democrats don't want that.
I mean, the few Americans who are paying attention just
aren't buying what Democrats are selling.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, there's some military people that are paying attention during
the Schumer shutdown, right, I mean, Chuck Schumer's shutting down
some military paychecks. There are real people being affected by
the Democrats shutdown, right, Oh, you're you're.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Right, and it's primarily those people who do rely on
government checks for their livelihood. All that could end tomorrow
is Chuck Schumer and his Democrats just a handful. They
only need five more of them in order to pass
that r But Democrats would say, you know what, we
don't think it's appropriate for us to force us shut

(24:07):
down where the men and women serving in our military
continue to get or do not get paid, while members
of Congress do get paid. You even had Senator Ruben
Gego from Arizona come out and very publicly say say,
I'm not giving up my paycheck. I don't have a
lot of money. I've got alimony, tainments, and bills to pay.

(24:28):
So yeah, I'm gonna continue accepting my paycheck. What a wonder.
But this is what Democrats are doing, and the reason
why is they don't have a leader, they don't have
a message, they don't have an agenda, And you're exactly right,
they're tone deaf because they're not in tune with where
the American people are.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Hey, Bradley, speaking of the military here, what did you
think of the big speech that Pete Hegsath gave to
all the leaders that gathered there in Virginia. I mean,
it feels like it's been years since the Joe Biden
present sidency to the Donald Trump presidency. It's only been
like one you know, it's been one and a half years.

(25:08):
It feels like it's been an eternity. When you talk
about the differences in the military.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Not only was that speech important in the history of
the military and a shift in military stary culture, that
was a shift in American culture. It was a return
to normalcy in so many ways, and a lot of
these themes and initiatives had been talked about before by
the President, by Secretary of Hexit. But I mean, if

(25:37):
you have it, it was a forty five minute speech,
but it should just be required listening or reading, not
only for everybody in the military or in listening, but
probably for people applying for citizenship too. It was just
it was it was a call to what made America great.
High standards, no special carve outs for anyone, know, dudes

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and dresses. I mean, it was so again, like nineteen
ninety it would have seemed perfectly normal. It's wild that
we've experienced so much in the past few years that
everything that Secretary of Hexs has said is almost radical.
But it really was a pivotal moment for this country,
and he Secretary Hexits really planted the flag that said,

(26:23):
you know what, we know what made our country great,
we know what made our military grade. It's not this
diversity junk, and we're going to get back to high
standards and around the focus of actually serving our war
fighters and being an effective military force, not this cultural experiment.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Bradley, what are you currently working on at brightbar dot com.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
We are following this shutdown very closely. The Senate took
a break today for the Jewish holiday. They're given Democrats
one more day to think about it, but the and
it's going to vote again Friday. They're going to vote
again Monday. If it doesn't to see our doesn't pass Friday.
I think it's a possibility that Democrats will come to

(27:11):
their senses because they're just getting blistered even by their
establishment media colleagues. But if they don't come to their
senses by Monday, we might be looking at a long shutdown.
That'll be interesting, But we're going to stay on top
of it. At Brybart dot com.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, friend, all the work bright Bart dot com. That's
bray Bart News Deputy Politics Editor Bradley Jay. Always enjoy
having you on the phone. Bradley, thanks a lot to
have a good weekend.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Have a good weekend, guys, love talk me y'all.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Thank you to all the folks on the YouTube chat
wishing me happy birthday. I appreciate that. Thank you, Nige.
Thank you for the gifts that you brought us in.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
The back office.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
We're very welcome.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
I won't say what it is, but it's gone. Thank
you for that.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Somebody's asking in the YouTube chat for our big live
show tomorrow at Coach just Taffing downtown, will producer Allison
be there.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
She will not.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
She is on vacation right now. She sent us a
great picture of her and her family on the road.
But that remember when we were talking about awful statues
and we brought up the Lucille Ball statue where she
just looks like a deformed clown. She stopped on her
way to Niagara Falls because her family's driving. Yeah yeah, yeah,

(28:23):
and they got a picture by the creepy Lucille Ball statue.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
What is Lucille ball holding on to a flask there?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
So that's from the I Love Lucy episode where she's
got the spoon and like the oil and look at
the face of Lucy though, my god, that's disturbing, frightening.
So no, Allison's on vacation until next week. She will
not be there driving the boat for us and doing
a pretty good job, is Kurt Gerald?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Pretty good? Kurt?

Speaker 4 (28:52):
How are you Okay?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
That's enough? Thank you.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Kurt's been doing a fantastic job for us. So thank
you so much for all of your comments. And again,
YouTube chat, get your happy rear ends down to coaches
tomorrow because we're all gonna do a big cheers. We're
gonna have fun. We've got some of our special friends
coming by. I think Alvi, Brian Alvey's gonna be there
and getting all types.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Of rowdy special friends. I mean Tommy's coming by. No,
Tommy will not be there. That's a different type of special.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
A list of things that's well supposedly be creepy fifty
years from now has been released. This is a list
people put together. I think you can find it on
social media. Things that people will find creepy fifty years
from now that are popular now.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
And the first one is the boo boos. Do you
know what these are?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Nige and look at him right now. I'm lucky my
daughter doesn't really care about him. But they are very creepy.
This creepy like doing right, like a space. It's just
a It's like a mouse with ears and a big
smile and giant eyes.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
It's a creepy like.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't know how to describe it. Yeah, elf on
a shelf.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Fifty years from now people might find that a little
creepy that elf on a shelf was a thing. Dating apps,
dating apps, like, I don't think fifty years from now
people will say, wow, that was an easy way to
get laid. Was a creepy thing. Like if there's one
constant in our society, people like to have relations.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
I will say some generations more than others.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Stuff will say, I am related to people that have
had successful relationships and got married on meeting a dating app. Okay,
I don't know if that narrows it down or people
that listened to me know who I'm talking about. But Kurt, I,
but I. But again, the dating apps.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Work, so they predated my time right, like ill before
these things came out. Kurt, you're a young guy, you're
a single guy. You do the dating apps.

Speaker 16 (31:05):
Yeah, so let me help you. Tender it's for hookups, relationships,
for long term, hinge bumbles, a mix of both, and
now Facebook dating is a thing for more long term.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
So how much time do you spend on Tender?

Speaker 16 (31:18):
I delete it about every other month, but too much.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Create a new profile picture. Wow, this guy looks like
Mario Lopez. And then Kurt shows up some other things
at home laser hair removal devices.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Why would that be creepy? I don't even know that
was the thing now.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
At home laser hair removal devices. I find it more
creepy if you had just a bunch of hair, Like
I like the fact that there's at home hair removal.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I'm seeing smart speakers on this list. What in the
world is creepy about? Like? What could you replace? I
love my smart speaker.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Maybe the fact that Big brothers listening to you?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Right, because who oh you're talking about like Alexa? Right, Okay,
I'm thinking like a Bluetooth speaker type thing.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Okay, I got it, because it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
We'll be in the kitchen I'll be talking to Crystal
and we'll bring something up, and then we'll look over
at the Alexa and there's an ad for it already.
I'm like, you rotten, spying son of a you know what.
And usually if that happens, I start ripping on the government.
If they're going to be listening to it, I will say,
there's no way Joe Biden got all those legal votes

(32:32):
back in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Absolutely no way. And James Comey got.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
What was coming to him.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
So yeah, those are the things that people will allegedly
find creepy.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
What are you doing for your birthday tonight? Like, does
Crystal have something special planned?

Speaker 3 (32:50):
May?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Maybe an outing to outback.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
So I'm still on the diet plan until the weekend.
Now I'm going to have some drinks, right, I'm going
to have them liquid?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Damn Well, matter you get two more years in your forties? Dude? Right?
I only got one, Well, I got less than one.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
First pitch of the Cubs deciding a playoff game is
at five o'clock today, so I'm hoping to eventually get
back home, maybe to see the final inning or two
of that, Okay, And then her gift to me was
We're going to the Cult and Raiders game this Sunday.
We got Primo tickets down low and we're gonna heckle
all those no good rotten Raiders fans.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
How do you feel about THATTLT Cubs game?

Speaker 4 (33:34):
I like the Cubs tonight.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I do only because you, Darvish is on the other
side and you can't get beat by a dude that
used to pitch for you. We're not going to go
down to you, Darvish. That can't happen tonight. Let's go
Jamison ty On and pull that thing out. And then
tonight little Thursday night football. I got a little scratch,
got a little action on the under. It's not a

(33:58):
sexy game tonight. It's San Francisco against the Rams, but
I'm on the under forty five with that one. All right,
do not go anywhere. We've got the top stories of
the day, government shut.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Down, an update.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
On old balls, Tim Walls, and a roast of me
next Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Do you believe these characters are weirdos?

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Oh boy, I don't even know how I'm here sitting
in this chair in front of this microphone because of
the government shut down? Day two? How am I supposed
to function. I didn't want to get out of bed
this morning. Night. I'm not sure what to do with
my hands here, Like, what what's going on again?

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I walked through my neighborhood last night and I just
put dust in the Wind on repeat in my earbuds.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
That's exactly what I did when they took Tucker Carlson
off the air on Fox News.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Sitting on the swing like Narcos, listening to Dust in
the Wind, I close my despondent.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
But the same reaction from the government shut down. I
think we're gonna be okay.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
You mean I can't enjoy Playoff Baseball and Thursday Night
NFL and and.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
My birthday if the government is closed. No, I think
you can enjoy those things.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Somebody that's fired up about the government shut down is
America's greatest stock market mind that has absolutely positively nohing
to do with insider trading. Nancy Pelosi, the greatest stock
market mind our generation has ever seen. Narrator or she

(35:45):
was insider trading. She's fired up about this. Now, if
we're going to talk about Nancy Pelosi, we need to
have the official Nancy Pelosi music.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Can't you see that old bag.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
On a bike, just pedaling her little ass off right there.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Nancy Pelosi gets a little upset what a reporter asks
her if it's AOC that's pushing the Democrats to this
very far left flank here.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
There's a lot of chatter that it's.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
AOC leading the charge because she wants to primary Chuck Schumer,
the current face of the Democrats in the Senate. People
feel like AOC is gunning for her seat. There are
reports from like Politico and The Hill that AOC is
telling people just meet in my office and we'll talk

(36:42):
about a strategy. So a reporter asked old Lady Pelosi,
who doesn't really like AOC, if you remember Nige when
the big Green Deal was rolled out whatever it was called.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, there, dream or whatever, dream or whatever.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Heloc, not a big fan of AOC, gets a little
mouthy when asked if this whole shutdown is led behind
the scenes by AOC.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Who is a thought from the Republicans that AOC is
directing this, And she said that senators are welcome to
go to her office directly.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
She is, she driving out, why are.

Speaker 17 (37:22):
You saying such a ridiculous thing. I'm just quoting what
AOC said, she said, go to her office directly.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Do you think there's any credibility to.

Speaker 17 (37:30):
That directing this? She's wonderful, she's a real team player.
In the rest of it. You started by saying Republicans
say that she's directing this. She is not how King
Jeffries is. And this takes a lot of experience, a
lot of unity from the caucus in terms of the

(37:51):
point of view, and that's what this is. She's an
articulate spokesperson for her point of view.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
She talks like this on TikTok. I definitely think we
should do with government shut down because I'm AOC.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Let's get done of the nitty gritty AOC hot or
not nuge hot Kurt Gerald's hot. I hate myself for
saying this, but that's three for three. Even if she's
put on a little bit, you know what, so have I.
That happens when you get older. A lot of people
thought AOC was knocked up. Not true, she just put

(38:27):
on a little bit. That's okay.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
I disagree with.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Everything she has to say, but man, if I were
single and it's a one night type of situation, I'm
gonna hit it with the socialist sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Schumer is Chuck Schumer is very scared he's gonna get
primaried by the congresswoman.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
There's a lot of chatter about that.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
So I guess that becomes the question, is AOC as
batcrap crazy as she is going to become the face
of the Democrats? And before everybody laughs at that, if
you're a Republican and you laugh and scoff.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
At that, I still kind of do.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
She's a fundraising machine. She brings in more money than anybody.
She appeals to a younger generation of Democrats. She's active
on social media. I'm telling you you can't laugh at
AOC because people laughed at Donald Trump one point exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
That was my point. You can't laugh at anything at
this point in terms of who's running for office, who's
going to get elected? Where president, senator, congressman? Because Donald
Trump did it in twenty fifteen, and they were laughing
their asses off at him.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Right the minute he came down the escalator.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
They thought, what the host of the Apprentice running for president?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Who could see that?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
And now he's in his second term as President of
the United States. All I'm saying is Republicans don't get
cocky because AOC is a threat.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
She has mass appeal to young voters.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Now you can argue whether or not young voters are idiots,
We could have that conversation, but she appeals to them.
They see something in her and she raises a buttload
of money, So keep an eye out for that. Meanwhile,
on CNN, they're tackling the big issues in regards to
this government shutdown host John Burnan Berman and Caitlin Collins.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
They can't believe that during a government.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Shutdown, the Trump administration is doubling down with memes, sombreros
and mariachi music making fun of Hakeem Jeffreys. And it's
not just him, it's the fact that he's the face
of the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
He's the minority leader in the House.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
This is part of the shutdown is they want Democrats
want health care for illegal aliens.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Right, That's what it is. That's what this is about.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
It's about health care for illegal aliens, and the Republicans
are like, no, we're not going to do that. So
they're taking the face of the House Democrats, Hakim Jeffries,
the minority leader, and they're doing a bunch of memes
with him, where he's celebrating people from other countries. They're
putting somebreros on him, they're playing mariachi music, and boy CNN,

(41:27):
they were melting down.

Speaker 18 (41:29):
So we played sound from Vice President of Vance not
just defending that AI racist video of mineral leader Jeffries
warning a sombrero, but also like celebrating that video, and
it was playing out a loop in the briefing room today.

Speaker 19 (41:41):
It was not only just playing on a loop in
the briefing room. If you've never been in the press
briefing room for those who haven't, there are loudspeakers overheads
so you can hear announcements or what's being said, or
if there's an event going on with the President in
the Rose Guard, for example, they were playing that mariachi
music as well over the loudspeakers. For all the press
that was coming in and out of the White House
today inside the cross briefing room. It just kind of

(42:02):
gives you a window, John into how they're dealing with
this and how they believe they have the upper hand
when it comes to the messaging here and this time,
you know there's a moment here they're being heavily criticized
over this, over these posts by the President by Democrats,
and instead of backing off or apologizing for it, they're
leaning into it. And they're playing the music over loudspeakers

(42:22):
and on repeat inside the briefing room because they simply
don't care about that criticism.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Imagine being that upset over Trump's social media putting a
sombrero on Hakem Jeffries because he wants to take care
of illegal aliens more so than United States citizens.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
They care more about the people here that are illegal
they don't have a right to be here, than the
people that are citizens. It's easy, it's easy enough to understand.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
So earlier this morning, I put out on social media
it's the roast of me. Okay, it's my birthday today.
I'm forty eight. Tomorrow, thank you, God, bless you, thank
you for the gift.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
God bless tomorrow. Oh yeah, the gift. But tomorrow is
the real I think.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
It's the real party tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
But no, you and Lindsey, I consider you guys family,
and thank you guys so much.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Welcome.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
But I put out on social media earlier today, screw it,
Let's just do a roast. Bring it so the most
inappropriate comments. We promised to read on the air, Nigel,
You've got a printed out list of some of the comments.
I posted a photo of myself at various ages. There's
a picture of me as a fat kid with a

(43:41):
Hawaiian shirt on oh my high school senior picture where
I look like the front man of a color Me
Bad cover band, and a picture of me now and
the following comments that you've been gracious enough to pull
were posted on various social media outlets Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Okay, here's one comment. It only took forty eight years
to grow into those ears, assuming they're talking about.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
So when I was younger, I was much thinner and
my ears stood out right. That's why I got the
Dumbo chant at the free throw line at that basketball
game at Franklin Central.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Even I, who really just kind of doesn't care and
despises you, even I, even I just that makes me
sad to hear. Okay, so it only took forty eight
years to grow into those ears. Here's another one, a
roast of hammer now that he's forty eight. The fat

(44:47):
neck looks tired.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
My fat neck looks tired.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
My neck looks fat. Oh man, that hurts.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
And I thought you this is from and I thought
young Rob Kendall had a punchable face.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah, I was certainly punishable back in the day.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
There's no doubt this.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Is from Nicole on your forty eighth birthday. The only
reason I am here is to wish you a happy
birthday is because I know your wife. Otherwise I'd have
no idea. Eat bleep. Oh geez, thanks to Nicole told
you to eat bleep in your happy birthday message a
word that rhymes with hit. Here's Jeffrey Happy Birthday hammer,

(45:34):
the pride of all the trailer parks in Beach Growth. Oh,
come on, that's unnecessary. That's really unnecessary. This might be
my favorite one. We could end with this. I don't
know if you want to. There's some more on here,
but Johnny says, you look like you want to look

(45:57):
like Jeffrey Epstein, but don't have the money to go
to the island.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Good god, geez.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
And that's just a small portion of the hate and
victoryol that I've received.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
It depends upon what the meaning of the word is.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Is this anything?

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Speaker 4 (46:53):
Is this anything holiday you?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Express as testing a new scent based alarm clock. It
works like a diffuser, releasing the scent of coffee, bacon,
or blueberry muffins when it's time for you to wake
up in the morning. But unfortunately it's not in the
United States just yet.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
It's overseas.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Here is an influencer on social media talking about the
new scent based alarm clock.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
What if your alarm clock didn't sound like this?

Speaker 19 (47:27):
But it's not like your favorite breakfast scent holding an
Express just launched the world's first breakfast alarm clock.

Speaker 12 (47:33):
It literally wakes you up to the smell of coffee bacon.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
No, I'm not getting woken up by Like I love
waking up to the smell of bacon and eggs. My
wife gets up early and cooks breakfast. It's awesome, but
it's the it's the noise from the alarm that wakes
me up. I'm just dreaming about eating pancakes. At that point,
if you truly eat cooking pancakes, then I'm just having
a dream about eating pancakes.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I'm not waking up. That's why you have the arousal
in the morning. It's not because you're ready to go.
You're dreaming about those pancakes that you're fat.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Can you say arousal? Do you mean getting out of bed?
Is that what you meant?

Speaker 3 (48:11):
I mean things happened in the morning. You're trying not
to be too graphic for her audience here.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
But you I'm drawing the line here. This is nothing.
Probably the noise in the alarm clock is the best
way to get out of bed.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Hell, sometimes even with the noise, I don't get out
of bed like I get. My hearing isn't the greatest.
I've been wearing headphone since I was eighteen years old.
My wife already understands I'm going deaf now, and when
I get older it's gonna be even worse. So, yeah,
if you don't think I'm getting up when I hear,
as sure as hell, I ain't getting up when I Oh,

(48:50):
is that bacon?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Now? Come on? Do the last one? Here?

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Is this anything here's a viral video of an actress
having a meltdown, Brittany Ray Corona, which I've never heard of.
Do you know who the Carrera? Do you know who
this is? Kurk Nudge anybody? She had friends over for
a viewing party to watch her scenes from the new
Glenn Powell series Chad Powers.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
He plays baseball football player.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yeah, it's based off of what Eli Manning did years ago,
so she's in that. She had a viewing party for
it and a couple of them were recording when she
discovered that they reshot her scene. You'll hear who replaced her,
and she was ticked off with the people.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Wait, no, this is my scene.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Job. I wanting to what you say right now?

Speaker 4 (49:47):
We got any.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Well want.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
My scene?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Have you come in later?

Speaker 3 (49:57):
No, this is literally my scene.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
I was f Oh.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
My god, I.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Just literally.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Do you understand what's going on here? The hawk Tua
girl replaced her in the scene, and wow, she was
cut from the scene, this actress and was replaced with Hoctua.
I don't know if it's real or not. I don't know.
This girl is not in the the I m dB
credits or anything like that. I don't know if this

(50:33):
is real, but I would I would be What a
humiliation though, what an awful just you think you've got
your big break with Glenn Powell who played Uh.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
He was in Maverick, he was in Twisters Sister.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
And Hoctua Replaces. They paid the money they paid you
to shoot the scene and then they paid extra money
to say, you know what, we're gonna have Hawktua in
here instead.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
You're a professional actress.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
She got famous for talking about spitting on a crank,
and yet she is going to replace her.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
So the question becomes, do you think.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
This is real or is this staged publicity for the
chat Power series. I think it's the ladder. I think
this is the ladder, Like, no way would she have
the camera set up and like the audio that good
for just people coming over to watch her scene. I
don't buy it. I'm cynical. I think this is bull crap.

(51:44):
That's just me all right, Hey, jump on the YouTube chat.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
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Speaker 3 (52:03):
It's my birthday today. If I've ever made you laugh,
if I've ever made you want to punch me in
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We've got to get to one fifty. One fifty is
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(52:25):
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(52:48):
This is the Hammer and Nigel Show.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
The Hammer in Nigel Show. Yeah, I feel like it's
a Friday. My name is Nigel. Jason Hammer is here
also a special guest line in studio.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
So Matt Bear joins us normally on Fridays, but if
we're on the road, especially at a bar, Matt tell
me if you think this is overreacting on my behalf,
I feel like it's inappropriate to you to come on
and talk about supporting sobriety. If we're broadcasting from a
bar where we're promoting a drink.

Speaker 10 (53:20):
Special, I don't want to break everybody down with.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
My sobriety.

Speaker 14 (53:25):
Talk to her the road shore. That's perfectly accurate. Yeah,
I think that's good.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
But I love your stories. That's why we wanted you
in here today.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Oh yeah, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
And I'm not just blowing smoke up your rear end here.
The word respect, I'm not just blowing vape up your rend.
The word respect gets thrown around a lot, and in
this industry, in the radio industry, Nige and I have
been doing this since we were eighteen years old in
this city, give or take a few other pit stops,
but for the most part, we've been in Indie since

(53:52):
each of us were eighteen. I'm forty eight today. Very
few people can I say I respect. You fall into
that category because you put yourself out there if it's embarrassing,
if you've had a rock bottom low, you come on
this show and you talk about it because you want
to help other people.

Speaker 14 (54:11):
Yeah, that is correct, and thank you for the kind
words everybody. It's a case where you know, you do something,
you go through something hell to get to happen, and
by sharing that story, you can help others. And that's
all it is the shame that I used to have.
And you know we're talking. I'm recovering now kylic an addict,
and we have a podcast called Supporting Sobriany, and with

(54:31):
that we talked to the caregiver of people like me
and my partner, right Hendrick, the people we tormented through
our youth. So you know, if you can reach one person,
that's what it is, if you can reach one person.
And thanks to you guys having me on, there are
actually a couple of people I'm talking to right now
and helping out. I'm taking a call tonight out when
I get off work about seven fifteen. And yeah, it's
a person that lives in Texas. All the way in Texas,

(54:53):
they listen to the station, they listen to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Isn't that wild?

Speaker 4 (54:57):
It's crazy, you know, have a conversation Bilt.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
So many people around the country listen to this show,
the Hammer and Nigel Show.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
We've got people at Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
In Florida, at California and Texas that tune in because
whether they have ties to Indiana or not.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
They like the way that we present the information.

Speaker 10 (55:15):
It's so badass. It's such a blessing.

Speaker 14 (55:17):
And this evening, this guy will and I will talk
a little bit about our alcoholism, and after that we're
just gonna talk, because that's what recovery is about, just talking.
You know, as dudes, we don't we don't like to
be vulnerable. We don't like to get naked. Maybe not
the word I want to do. I'm sorry, I love
to be naked.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Can I be honest with you? You said something before
that I don't like and I meant to bring up
we just didn't have time. The last time we were
talking about alcoholics and addicts in relapsing, and you said
something to the effect of, if I have a relapse,
I'm not coming back from that. I didn't like that.

(55:57):
And here's why, because you can come back from that.
And this is from my perspective, I'm projecting if you
ever relapse, and I know, and maybe you can expand
on what you were talking about when you said that.
I don't like that thinking because because you could get
back on the you know, you could get right back

(56:19):
up and pick yourself up again and start all over again.

Speaker 10 (56:23):
I'm very happy you brought that up.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I'm just I really that stuck with me when you
said that a couple of weeks ago and we didn't
have time to talk about it. I don't know even
know if you really remember know what I'm talking about.
But you said you wouldn't live past that or survive that,
and I don't like that way of thinking. No, you know,

(56:45):
you get up, you're shamed, you go back into rehab
and do the same things. Am I wrong?

Speaker 14 (56:51):
No, You're not wrong at all, And that's what you do.
That's what recovery is, coming back from recovery over and
over again, as some of the past some of us
take and that's unfortunately, but it is true. We do relapse.
I was speaking for my own experience on that, which
is all I can do when we talk about recovery.
I don't claim to be an expert at anything. I
know what my experience is with my alcoholism. I remember, guys,

(57:12):
and I told.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
You, well, I mean you're an expert at recovery.

Speaker 10 (57:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Sure, I trust you more.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Than anybody that hasn't gone through it.

Speaker 14 (57:19):
Absolutely, And that's why I love working with Ryan so much.
Is he compliments my weaknesses on this podcast. Yeah, Ryan
Hedrick har morning anchor, and we really compliment each other. Well,
I was thinking, and I still think about this, and
I talked to people in recovery about this that day
that I left work, left here doing traffic WIBC.

Speaker 10 (57:37):
When I was drunk as a monkey.

Speaker 14 (57:39):
I always used to say, through my alcoholism and doing
traffic when I'm drunk, the words will still come. You're
good enough at this, you know the roads well enough,
you know the map, The words will come. Until that
day the words didn't come anymore. And that's when I
picked up my bag and I said goodbye. The newsroom

(57:59):
was John Herrick was there, I believe, I think Kurt
was there, Madison McGill, Chris Davis, Hilott was there.

Speaker 10 (58:06):
They were all there. And I said goodbye, and.

Speaker 14 (58:10):
Then I took my bag with a half bull of vodka,
and I went down to my car and I got
in and I drove home.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Did it take a realization from yourself or was it
your boss yelling at you? Because Matt, let's be honest,
I remember one of the rock bottom lows that you had.
You were on our air. You were drunk doing a
traffic report. Nige and I kind of knew it.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
It was pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
And then we got a phone call like into the
hotline here off the air, where one of our bosses
was like, you've got to get Matt off the air.

Speaker 10 (58:44):
Like interesting, I didn't know that, and I'm may.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Be telling you this for the first time. If that's
the case, that's the case, let's do it. Let's get
I think you can understand. Did it take a realization
from yourself or one of your bosses saying until you
get right, you can't do this job again.

Speaker 10 (59:00):
It was a combination.

Speaker 14 (59:01):
On that day that I left and I went right
on New York Street going back to mass Avenue to
my apartment.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
It was so.

Speaker 14 (59:09):
Surreal because how I remember these I wasn't a blackout drunk.

Speaker 10 (59:12):
It's drunk ausse I was.

Speaker 14 (59:13):
I always You may have to remind me, but I
remember everything.

Speaker 10 (59:18):
I made this right onto the one way in.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
New York Street.

Speaker 14 (59:20):
It was so quiet, it was here quiet, and I
remember thinking to myself, how much money do you have
left to pay your rent? How much money do you
have left to buy vodka over the next thirty days? Jeez,
I call that and it's not my expression and I
can't say where I got it from, but it's called
going to the bitter end, and knowing you're going to
the bitter end. That's what happens when an alcoholic in
recovery dies in use. It's going to the bitter end.

(59:43):
And that's what I was thinking of. That's what I
was planning. Now here's what happened. Somebody here. I have
an idea who it is, but I can't confirm it
because I've never asked. The fact is it just happened.
Somebody here called the cops. So when I get home, okay,
and I can't remember this was morning, your evening rush.
I believe it was evening because there was a knock
at the door and the comps were there, and I

(01:00:07):
was just sobliterated. Yeah, before they got there, I was
just pulling off this bottle like a madman. I had
to hit my hand, you know. I was drinking straight
from the bottle like you know. It was just going down.
There was no it was just I was just dowsing
myself with alcohol, even more drunk than what I normally was.
And I invite the comps and we have a conversation.
To the best of my ability, and basically they were saying, no,

(01:00:28):
we're not going to leave without you because there was
a suicide watch here.

Speaker 10 (01:00:33):
So they cuffed me and take me out of the apartment.

Speaker 14 (01:00:35):
Yeah, they cuffed me, take me out of the apartment
and take me to a hospital where I was in detox.

Speaker 10 (01:00:39):
And you know when you're on Yeah, yeah, you have
to go.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Was it accurate, like, were you in danger of harming yourself?

Speaker 14 (01:00:48):
I was ready to go to the bitter end again
with that. In other words, I was ready to drink
myself to death. That was the plan. At some point
I would succumb. I gave myself maybe a month and
a half, two months before I'd be completely gone. I mean,
my liver was just sticking out of my stomach almost,
it was so protruding, and my whole and you could
feel in your pancreas and you have I'm sorry about

(01:01:10):
the detail hemorrhoids just in these patches of I mean,
I was getting close to expiration.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
What a change made?

Speaker 10 (01:01:16):
Well, thank you and God bless.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Much change, because it don't look like that anymore. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
I feel so bad that you are in so much
better shape than I am.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Right now, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Trying to do everything.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
I still in Bye, Matt, and I hope that doesn't
make you upset. I still have beverages, but man, I
go to the gym like I'm drinking this stupid big
bottle of water that I drink multiple big bottles every day.
I'm trying to do everything right, and damn it, you
still look a hundred times better.

Speaker 10 (01:01:46):
You guys have lost a ton of weight. You're taking
care of yourselves.

Speaker 14 (01:01:49):
I'm really happy for both of you, and it's a
it's a privilege to be on here doing this today.
But I bring these stories up, and I tell these
stories because I remember it wasn't so much that bad
things were going to happen to me.

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
It was more of a thing. Nothing happens to you
when you were in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
That it's just great.

Speaker 10 (01:02:06):
There's no good, there's no bad. You're not happy, you're
not sad.

Speaker 14 (01:02:09):
The only time you feel a little bit of happiness
is when you're pulling off the bottle.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Okay, we've been pretty heavy here. Can we take a
break and come back? And I want your thoughts with
the Colts game this weekend? Okay, and we got a
clip from your podcast too. I want to play could
you come back? For one more segment.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
I'd love to thanks all right, Matt Bear the traffic
beast joining us here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Nobody's more of an open book than this cat. I
got a couple of things I want to get to you, Matt,
but we got a short time to do it in.
We got two minutes here. The Colts will be celebrating
Shaq Leonard aka Darius Leonard this weekend at the game
against the Raiders. He's announced his retirement from the league.
He will retire as a Colt. He's banging the anvil

(01:02:52):
your thoughts.

Speaker 14 (01:02:52):
One of my favorite Colts of all the time, and
I've been a Colts fan forever. Just like everybody else,
I love Shack Leonard. The guy was an absolute missile.
Place Maker reminds me of my favorite cold of all time, well,
my second favorite cold of all time, and that's Bob Sanders, who.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Was just an absolute a little missile.

Speaker 10 (01:03:08):
Yeah, it was an absolute missile.

Speaker 14 (01:03:09):
And hope and like this team now has Nick Cross,
who I'm becoming a huge fan of, and Michael Pittman Junior,
who was just a man. It is an absolute man.
So I expect him to show lack Vegas this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
That's what I want.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
What SoundBite from your podcast are we about to hear?

Speaker 14 (01:03:24):
Okay, we talked about the negative stuff before the break,
but now this is the positive stuff, the beauty of it,
the fun stuff. That's the joy of recovery. The thing is,
when you're recovering now alcoholic, you have to put in
the work. But I and it's sometimes it's a little arger,
but sometimes there's.

Speaker 10 (01:03:38):
There's a lot to it.

Speaker 14 (01:03:39):
One of the recovery centers I was at it was
a step study. It was a step study for troubled children,
except we're all forty and we go through the NA
workbook for step one, complete surrendering, step one that your
alcoholic and addict has to make to begin their recovery journey
in Arnest and there was sixty nine question Yeah, I know,

(01:04:00):
it's a lot of questions, and they were saying, yeah,
if you're write yes or no, you got to go
back and do the whole thing again. You had to
write out the answers. It was one of the most
valuable teachings I've ever had recovery.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yes, I'm sorry, Oh go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
We got about ten seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I just said.

Speaker 14 (01:04:15):
It was a fantastic experience. In the world of recovery
is a beautiful thing if you're ready to come.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I'm so proud of what you become. Matt, God bless you.
Where can we find this podcast?

Speaker 14 (01:04:25):
You can find it on any major podcast provider. I
use Spotify, Supporting Sobriety at Sobriety, Underscore pod on Instant,
Instagram and x.

Speaker 10 (01:04:34):
And my partner's Ryan Hendrick. You can find him at
Sure to Cover on Twitter.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Anywhere you get your podcast. I hear that all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Right anywhere you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Get your podcast, you'll find it Supporting Sobriety Matt Behar,
Thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (01:04:46):
Man, Happy birthday. Hammer, thanks for having me for that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Brother. Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Coming up next Tommy Piggott. He used to work with
the rn C. He used to call it every week.
Now he works at the State Department. He's got an
update for us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Next, Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
You believe these characters are WEIRDO.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Find him? Is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with
a very special and familiar guest on the hotline.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
No stranger to this program, although the title is a
little different. He's now the principal deputy spokesperson with the
State Department. Tommy Piggott joins us. Tommy, good to have
you back.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
How are you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 15 (01:05:27):
Thanks for having me on. It's been a while. Great
to be back on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Your job affected at all by government shut down that's
happening right now.

Speaker 15 (01:05:34):
Tommy, Well, naturally it is the State Department's affected. Naturally,
there are people that are furloughed, and our ability to
be proactive. Quite frankly, it is sometimes hurt by this,
our ability to host events or reach out. Of course,
we're doing everything we can to maintain our critical functions
here at the State Department, to maintain those services that
we have to maintain. We're doing everything we possibly can,

(01:05:55):
but of course it's affected. It's affected by the sense
that we're not able to do a lot of that
proactive diplomacy. And I think the contrast that we're seeing
from President Trump's leadership and really the conflicts he stopped
that the foreign policy that he has put in places
that's been yielding so many results. The contrasts we have
there into what Democrats congression Democrats and the fact that

(01:06:16):
they oppose that Congressional resolution. I mean it really the
continued resolution excuse me. It really is quite the contrast
I think between the two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
So what does this shutdown mean for the talks in
the Israeli Palestinian War, Because it feels like there was
some real progress there. There was some optimism that maybe
some sort of agreement could be made. There was a
lot of chatter of that, but then the government shutdown
took place.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Do those talks end or what happens here?

Speaker 15 (01:06:48):
Well, we're continuing those critical missions, We're continuing trying to
have those talks. We're continuing also trying to get to
that peace agreement. I mean the fact that President Trump
announcing that historic peace plan that he put in place
and then a few hours later having the shutdown talk.
I think it also shows, I mean, to be quite frank,
as secretaries in the past have said Secretary John Kerry,

(01:07:08):
secretaries under previous administrations have talked about the damage that
shutdowns due to our foreign policy, the message that descends,
and I do think it's quite ironic for all the criticism,
misplaced criticism that people have leveled at a President Trump
saying that somehow he's undermining confidence in our foreign policy.
First of all, nothing could be further from the truth.
But a shutdown undermines that confidence in our foreign policy.

(01:07:30):
If anything, a shutdown has that effect on other countries
view our foreign policy. So these critical missions are continuing,
and thank goodness, we have President Trump in office who's
able to command the respects of leaders on the world stage,
who's able to bring parties together. But there can be
no doubt that shutdown, of course, affects how other countries
view our nation and critics of our administration, of President

(01:07:53):
Trump's administration. Of course, all of us serving under him
only have to look to previous comments from Democrats secretaries
of state to show that this affec confidence and the
government and really does do damage tower viewed internationally. And thankful,
thankfully again, President Trump is our president and able to
bring people together and command such respect on the world stage.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
And Tommy, let's be clear, this shutdown is a direct
result of the Democrats. So this is a Democrats shutdown,
is it not?

Speaker 15 (01:08:18):
Yeah, I mean there are facts here. I mean there's
a continuing resolution that is supported by President Trump. There's
a continuing resolution that was passed by the House, and
there's a continuing resolution that was blocked by the Democrats.
This is a Democrat led shutdown. That is a fact.
That is just the facts of the matter, and they're
shutting this down for unnamed reasons. I mean, the Vice

(01:08:38):
President spoke so eloquently to that just the other day,
just yesterday, so I mean he really laid it all
out there. So there are real consequences to how our
country is viewed on the international stage, and it's unclear
why this is even happening. I mean, we should have
this continued resolution. The administration supports a continuing resolution, and
President Trump stands ready to sign resolution so that we

(01:09:01):
can put this behind this and get back to work
to actually solving conflicts and putting America first. Even though
President Trump continues to you that to this day, it's
just this is one of those things that is standing
in the way and making it harder to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
And Tommy, just so our audience is clear, there might
be some folks listening that don't follow this kind of
stuff as closely as we all do. Let's just say
somebody tries to attack the United States, or there's a
world situation that takes place right now. Just because there's
a government shutdown doesn't mean that leaders of the United
States and the US military are unavailable.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Is that correct.

Speaker 15 (01:09:35):
That's correct, So we're talking about critical missions continuing. We're
also seeing, for example, passport services and consular services, which
are our services the State Department provides, those are also continuing.
So we are doing everything possible to make sure that
we are continuing critical missions here at the State Department.
And I know that's the posture during a shutdown across
the government, to make sure that we are continuing these

(01:09:57):
critical services. There are opportunities that will be missed from
a proactive standpoint, though, and that's just the fact of
the matter, the fact that you have so many people furlough.
There are less people today at the State Department than
there were when the government was open. There are less
events that are happening, there's less proactive diplomacy that is happening,
there's less trying to move the ball forward in so
many different areas of the world, and a lot of

(01:10:18):
work is happening at the State Department behind the scenes.
Of course, there are the main issues that get the
new news coverage every single day, but lots of times
even those issues are the results of day in and
day out proactive diplomacy, the hard work of people out
here at the State Department, and during a shutdown, a
lot of that work has to come to a stop.
So we're continuing the critical missions. We're continuing the critical

(01:10:40):
services we have to provide here that the American people
needed to provide. But there is damage being done because
of that lack of proactive diplomacy because of the shutdown.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Yeah, you talked about the image of the United States
on the world stage. We're speaking with Principal Deputy Spokesperson
Tommy Piggott of the State Department. I'm wondering your thoughts,
just generally speaking, your analysis of what Donald Trump's speech
at the UN at the UN and how it was
perceived on a world stage.

Speaker 15 (01:11:09):
Yeah, it was very powerful. I think it was basically
a wake up call for the free world. It was
a wake up call for the free world and was
a call to action for the free world. He identified
key policies that have done such damage to our countries,
and they've been self destructive policies because there have been
policies that have been put in place by a lot
of countries in Europe and by the previous administration, and

(01:11:31):
then Trump coming in thankfully and reversing so many of
those dangerous policies, when it comes to climate extremism, when
it comes to the open borders, solving those problems. The
fact that we have zero illegal immigration, illegal immigrants crossing
the border four months in a row. I mean, that
is the type of success of this leadership. But the
speech called out the failures across the Western world and

(01:11:52):
really was a call to action to defend our values.
I think it was meeting this moment and the fact
that it was received extremely well by leaders across the world,
and it was perceived with respect respect that President Trump commands.
So these were hard truths that we said. This was
a frank conversation with countries around the world. But countries
understand what President Trump is saying. They respect him, they

(01:12:13):
respect his leadership. And all you have to see is
all the countries that are working with President Trump to
solve problems to see that respect in action. So the
speech was really a powerful speech. I think the historic
speech outlining the way forward and some of the problems
that we need to solve and policies that we need
to stop as a Western world in order to really
meet the challenges of the twenty first century.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Tommy before we let you go here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Do you have an update, because I think this story
went very much underreported. The American who was wrongfully detained
in Afghanistan wrongfully detained in Afghanistan. I know the Trump Administration,
the State Department, they were working really hard to get
this guy out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Do we have an update.

Speaker 15 (01:12:54):
I don't have an update for you here, but what
I can say is our highest priority here at the
State's Department is the safety and security of the American people,
both at home and abroad. And I can also say
point you to that recent executive order, for example, that
President Trump signed about giving you authorities new abilities to
hold country's accountable accountable who wrongfully attained Americans. We have
been continually working to bring Americans home. We've brought a

(01:13:17):
series of Americans home who have been wrongfully and unjustly attained,
and we will not stop working until we see every
American who's wrongfully attained brought home. That's a commitment from
this administration. We've been working every day to live up
to it, and every single day working to provide the
tools and another diplomacy necessary to achieve that goal.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Tommy Pikett, the principal deputy spokesperson for the State Department, Tommy,
thank you so much for the updates and clarifying things
for us, and let's have this conversation again sometime for sure.

Speaker 15 (01:13:44):
Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Are you really?

Speaker 6 (01:13:54):
Are you okay?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yeah? I'm fine.

Speaker 10 (01:13:57):
I'm pretty free. Far from okay?

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Are you okay? With this? On the hammer and Niels?
This is I like this. I think you're gonna like
this one too. Man. I used to hit up this
place all the time before it shut down. Remember chee
Cheese restaurants.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Oh, I love che cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I went to the chee Cheese there on the west
side thirty eighth in High School Road all the time.
Did you have when you went to specifically.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Greenwood thirty one South Greenwood, right near the mall area.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Chee Cheese Restaurants their back a grand reopening of their
flagship store in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Minnesota doesn't deserve Tim Wolls, Old Balls does not deserve Omar,
doesn't deserve chee Cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
They'll be selling their classic menu items, the Chimmy changas,
the tacos, the deep ried Mexican ice cream. Oh. The
old chee Cheese jingle brings back such good memories. Are
you okay with this?

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
I love this?

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Not only am I okay with this? I absolutely adore this.
It was Chee Cheese where the coupon. Lady and I
came back from our honeymoon. We went to Cancun, right yeah,
and boy, we took part in all the festivities there.
We went hard in the paint. We came back, we
were still jonesing for like tequila and margaritas and Mexican food,

(01:15:21):
and we're like, you know what, let's just go to
che cheese man. And I used to love those big margaritas.
Now I'm not a huge marga guy. I don't normally
just go out and say, let's have margs. But something
about che cheese Man, they were so good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Well, there's many Mexican restaurants back in our day as
there are now, because I feel like there's a bunch
of mom and pop ones. Like there's two in Zionsville, right,
I mean within proximity to each other. There's a locally
owned one called the Salty Uh Cowboy. There's El Toro,
There's El Mason.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
There's there's a lot of trucks too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, Mexican food trucks. I feel like there's
many more choices than we had back in the.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Day, right Yeah, I mean we had some big chain
restaurants like Chee Cheese no longer around, but yeah, between
the food trucks and the mom and pop places, you
see a lot more of it now.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
And I'm not gonna complain.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Man, some Mexican food it just hits the spot sometime,
especially when you've had five thirteen beverages.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
But it's so and then when you it's the beer's cheap,
you go in and get like a thirty two ounce
glass of Negro Medillo and have them extra lime and
it's like five bucks, and the chips and sauces sitting
there waiting for you when you get there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Right now, I do feel bad for every waiter or
waitress that works in one of these places because there's
always the group of like suburban white chicks that go
in there and they try to sound authentic.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
I want Jimmy Change guests.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Then they smile at you with that nose crinkle like
Stephanie McMahon does. They probably see that all the time.
But no, man, I'm on board with this, Like Ponderosa
is my number one. See if I could bring something back,
it'd be ponderosa. But chee cheesus is right there. It's
a strong two for me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Police in Florida pulling over a Camray last weekend after
it was caught racing a motorcycle at three o'clock in
the morning, one hundred and twenty four miles.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
An hour hammer Cambray was getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Driver claimed he was speeding because he quote had to
use the bathroom. Ah, the good old got to use
the bathroom before my pants burst into foam. Excuse here
is policemen talking about the arrest the camera driver.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
You know, I have a life. That's where it's flag
number one, number two.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
This is all happening at three in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
We're they're going at three in the morning, I be not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Go Are you okay with this?

Speaker 18 (01:17:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Are you okay with the excuse?

Speaker 13 (01:17:43):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
No, no, Like that's like the textbook excuse right? Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
How many times on the average day does an officer
who's out patrolling have to hear why were you speeding?

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
I had to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Diarrhea, diarrhea, had a p rope bad. It was about
to pee my pants, poot my pants. And if you're
Jerry Nadler, They're probably not buying that excuse Unless you're
Joe Biden, They're probably not buying that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Excuse me, mister Nadler, Please, before you fill your pants,
please move along. We've seen it before. We know you're
not lying. We're gonna let it go.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Just don't do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Tells me this Camray too is like one of those
cars that's all tricked out with like the loud muffler.
If you're one of those guys, right, let's just stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
The forty plus year old guy that still tries to
have bass in his car, is that still a thing to?

Speaker 15 (01:18:34):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
People still want to have the loud bass cars that
go down the street. Like nineteen ninety three, that was
like a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
A big cabinet, like with speakers in it in your trunk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Right, I mean rappers were singing songs about it, you know.
But now I don't know if that's the case or not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
I think they make such good sound systems no matter
what cars you drive. Now they don't need them. I
don't think they make them anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
The only time I ever see those bootleg just hoop
cars that have the big base that sound like crap
that look like they just came out of a nineteen
ninety three time machine. The Beach Grove Little League, The
Beach Grove Little League. There's still gonna be that one
dad that pulls up in there blaring NWA as the
kids are getting ready for a t ball game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Man, I'm telling you though, back in the day, I
had the twelve disc changer in my in my my trunk.
That's strong like with the Alpine.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
I went to this store called Ovation, right next to
right next to Lafiat Square Mall.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
You were too fly for a white guy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Oh yeah, well I was way too fly for a
white guys. So I saved up my pennies and got
a twelve disc changer, had the Alpine, had some new
speakers and installed. I never had the cabinets with the
giant like Sirwin Vegas or whatever. But I was that
guy at the at the Do you remember Ovation, I
do store.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
I do a couple of them across and boy, Alpine
that was about as good as it gets. Warren g
used to rap about the Alpine speakers ump, and as
I smoke on the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Pound, I put all that into my eighteen thousand dollars
cavalier by the way, real quick. Keith Urban changed my
sound equipment was worth more than the car. Keith Urban
changed the line in the song The Fighter he wrote
about Nicole Kidman, who had just separated. Instead, he swapped

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in the name of his guitarist, Maggie. During the live show,
fans are outraged, thinking she might be the other warm
Woman hammered, this is the clip. I didn't hear it, but.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
You know I don't want to. It's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
The louder you turn it up, the more still sounds
like a Keith Urban song.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
So I'm all right, thanks. Now this is a big
nothing burger. It's now who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
All right? Speaking of a boy people, you don't want
to turn up?

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
Good God, who let this guy in? Rob Kendall's here.
He's yelling at me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
I don't care at your birthday, property taxes, property taxes,
a bandana, I don't speak.

Speaker 14 (01:21:16):
I want you to get up right now, go to
the window, open it, stick your head.

Speaker 12 (01:21:21):
Out and yell.

Speaker 20 (01:21:23):
I'm brag as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
And now and we're an Nigel Joe off the rails
with Rob. My name is Nigel birthday boy Chasing Hammer
is here also turning us live in studio to go
off the reel since Rob and'll Rob, how are you great?

Speaker 20 (01:21:42):
Thanks as always to our segment sponsored Garage Doors of Indianapolis. Hammer,
Can I just say this, and I mean this as
a compliment, Other than you being much fatter than when
I first met you plenty twist twenty plus years ago,
you have maintained most of your youthful beauty and boyish charm.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Well, thank you, Rob, I appreciate that, uh, youthful energy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
That's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Twenty plus years ago when you met me, I was
a guy that liked to gamble, swear and pump chicks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Nothing's changed. I was gonna say, I'm still here, babe,
I'm still standing his Elton John once you know.

Speaker 20 (01:22:18):
I know I've told the story before, but I met
so I was the producer for the Indians, nineteen year
old Rob Kendall. That's all long. Hammer and I have
known each other and on WX and T. Hammer was
the weekend and filling guy on ZPL and I used
to go down and ignore the Indians broadcast. I'm sure
I missed like eighty commercial breaks because I thought it
was cool at all the chicks, the hot scenting chicks

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that called Hammer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Oh sure.

Speaker 20 (01:22:41):
And then Hammer gave me a great valuable life lesson.
He once told me, he said, just because they sound
hot doesn't mean they are.

Speaker 13 (01:22:48):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
I've made that mistake too, my friend. The more you know,
Rainbow right there made that mistake again, again and again.
I never learned my lesson in my twenties. Never, never, never,
And I didn't seem to matter anyway. I didn't seem
to care. They're not all tens. They can't all be tense,
and I don't care if they're not all ten. It
was also what I learned you can trade.

Speaker 20 (01:23:09):
Now, this was back in the days of email, right,
but you can trade a nude for a song request.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
That's right. I never knew that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
How bad do you want to hear that Britney Spears song?

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
It was a different time back then. Decency standards aren't
what they are today. Where we at with the government
shut down? You happy? You said, are you glad it's
going on? We'd have no end in sight? But this
is certainly from the Democrats doing correct.

Speaker 20 (01:23:33):
Well, Okay, so let's talk about what's going on. Here
the Republicans are taking a victory lap that they passed
Biden level spending.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
I mean that's is that the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 20 (01:23:42):
Oh no, I mean that's what That's what Basically what
they've continued, the continuation has been is I mean, they
have taken, they've paired back a few of the Biden programs,
but by and large we're talking Biden level spending, which
is why Ran Paul in the Senate voted against it
because he said, look, we're supposed to be the party
of low taxes and limited government, and every time we
get in charge of anything, we just keep spending and

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growing the government. And it's such an odd flex that
Republicans are presenting themselves as the good guys.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
We were promised Doge right, Doge was going to cut
a lot of that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:24:13):
Yeah, and it didn't seem to work out. Yeah, isn't
that funny?

Speaker 9 (01:24:19):
It?

Speaker 20 (01:24:19):
Look, it never changes. So you on one hand, you
have the Republicans who are doing a victory latin now
because the Biden government is now their new standard of
how much government we should have. And then you have
the Democrats who are like, yeah, the Biden level of
government not enough. For us anymore. We're gonna need some
more government. On top of that, we are thirty seven
trillion plus in debt, and nobody takes any of this

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seriously whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
But does it come down to the issue, And it
feels like it's come down to this of the Democrats
want a crap ton of money to go to the
states so those states can pay the healthcare of illegal aliens,
and the Republicans are like, we'll give the states money,
but you are not going to give it to illegal aliens.
It feels like that's the one issue that we're coming

(01:25:03):
down to here.

Speaker 20 (01:25:03):
Well, Republicans are wholly invested in Obamacare the same way
the Democrats are. And what Obamacare is is it was
a massive expansion of medicaid. And if you look at
what the Republicans are doing after fifteen years of huffing
and puffing and saying.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Oh, Obamacare bad, we gotta do this.

Speaker 20 (01:25:19):
So we gotta do that fifteen years other than let's
see two of those years. So thirteen of the fifteen
years since Republicans took the House in twenty ten, they've
had at least some control of the government, and they've
done absolutely nothing about Obamacare other than in many ways
to strengthen it. And so now what the Republicans are
doing is they're saying, well, we're not opposed to keeping

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Obamacare going and fully funding Obamacare. We just need to
pass this government funding thing first. Then we'll come back
and do what you want in Obamacare. And the best
part about this is their quote unquote they have what
are they like, working group now or focus group or whatever,
where a bunch of these senators are working together. Their
new thing that they're gonna sell in Obamacare is well,
we're pairing it back to where it was before twenty twenty.

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So during COVID, massive amounts of people were thrown onto
the Medicaid rolls and it's there's all sorts of waste
fraud abuse, which there was all sorts of waste fraud
abuse before COVID. But now the Republican's new victory lap
they're gonna take is what we're just pairing it back
to where it was before COVID.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
But in terms of the shutdown itself, this can't go
on forever. I think some people would like it forever,
but it seems like, again, if I'm a pro handicapper,
if I'm a degenerate next door here. The Democrats don't
have the cards, they don't have the leverage, and they
don't like Chuck Schumer, and that's a big part of this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Well, what they'll.

Speaker 20 (01:26:41):
Probably do, And look, Schumer is doing this because he's
scared that he's gonna get primary challenge from AOC. What
is most likely to happen is this focus group, working
group whatever. They're gonna cut some sort of side deal
on Obamacare where they're promised to vote. And that's what
will probably happen is they will then be promised to
vote on Obamacare. They know the Republicans will pass it
because the Republicans are just as invested in the legalized

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vote buying business as the Democrats are. And look, that's
what Obamacare has become. Are your guys, insurance any cheaper
than it was fifteen years ago?

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
I freel it off my wife, so you'd have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
To everything's more expensive of everything's expective. What are you
talking about? Obama promised your insurance wouldn't go up one
one dime and then Hama got fired. Yeah, so because
of Obamacare.

Speaker 20 (01:27:30):
All Obamacare is is a massive giveaway to the insurance companies.
That's all it's ever been. That's all that's happening with Obamacare.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Now.

Speaker 20 (01:27:37):
Nothing got any better, nothing got any more affordable. What
happens is they take money from us and then they
give it to the insurance companies so that people can
buy unaffordable insurance. That's all it is. Hey, what's it called?
If you take money from somebody, you can't give it
to yourself. You give it to somebody else who then
gives it to you. There's a name for that, money laundering.
That's what it's called.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
That's what it's called.

Speaker 20 (01:27:59):
And that's what's happening here. And the Republicans will cut
a deal you watch with the Democrats that in order
for them to vote for this budget, they will guarantee
a vote on Obamacare which will pass.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Okay, tenfoil hat here. Tell me if I'm completely out
of left field here, I think there's a lot of
Democrats that want Chuck Schumer to fail miserably here so
they can replace him. They can primary him when the
time comes around, and this will be the death knell
on the coffin. They can get a little bit younger,
they can just go all in too, the young, crazy
radical side bring in AOC, whoever it is. I think

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they want Chuck Schumer to fail.

Speaker 20 (01:28:32):
I think the base does. I think the institution, though,
which almost always wins out. I think the institution is
fine with Chuck Schumer being there, and so that will
be an interesting battle, but we all lose in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Anyway.

Speaker 20 (01:28:44):
There's nothing either of these parties are doing to make
life more affordable. There's nothing they're doing that's going to
fix inflation. There's nothing that's gonna make goods and services
more readily of it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
And most people in the government.

Speaker 20 (01:28:52):
Are still working well, of course, and they're gonna get
paid when they come back. Like I remember the first
time the government's shut down happened in twenty thirteen, and
I was all.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Jazzed up about it. I was a young elected official.

Speaker 20 (01:29:04):
I was like, Yeah, the Republicans are growing affair, let's go.
And then whatever it was they caved on and then
everybody got their money. I was like, wait, people got
their money to not work. Oh yeah, that's how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Well what the hell is that?

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
So basically your first reaction to a government shut down
was how I felt after I bought that many Paqi
how Floyd Mayweather.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
You get all.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Excited, You're ready to go, and then afterwards you find
out Paqiao was hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
They just kind of hugged each other for an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
What the hell was that?

Speaker 20 (01:29:35):
Where did you guys? Did you watch it at your house?
Did you actually buy? I paid twenty five dollars to
get into Kilroy's in Broad Ripple and there was lines.
Every place had a line and it was like sold out,
so you had to get there. This was the greatest
scam and scheme in American history because everybody made out
like bandits on this fight because you had to get

(01:29:55):
there like six hours early, so you just had to
sit there for the undercart and drink for like six
hours and like one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Dollars bar tab by the time it was time to leave.

Speaker 20 (01:30:04):
And that fight, you're right, it was horrible and the
guy was hurt and didn't disclose it right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
That pissed me off more than anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Either cancel the fight and reschedule it, but don't go
out there hurt and just go through the motions.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Hey, can I tell you switching subjects here? One of
my favorite moments this week on the Kendeling Casey Show.
You were pissing Casey off because she said, Pete Heggseth,
the Secretary of War, is kicking out all the women
in the military. That's right, this big grand speech that
he made.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
But you didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
But seriously, though, this thing with Pete hegg Sath, you
had a little bit of a problem with it, didn't
you at some point when he was talking about the
female perspective.

Speaker 20 (01:30:43):
Well, sometimes I just do things to see how mad
I can make Casey. Casey'll do this thing where she
sticks her tongue in her cheek. Yeah, and she's like
grinding her teeth over it, and I can see she
really wants to say something, and it's like, okay, big.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Girl, come on, you want to dance, let's dance. And
then she wisely decides not to dance.

Speaker 20 (01:30:59):
My issue with it is this, how many people do
we actually have in the military. We've all heard about
declining enrollment in the military, et cetera, because we've so
demonized the military and we don't reward the military properly.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
If we have enough people to.

Speaker 20 (01:31:13):
Do the thing, which is engage in frontline combat missions
if necessary, then fine, kick all the women out that
can't meet the standard. But I just don't know do
we have enough people now to be able to pull
that off? And I didn't think the interesting the phraseology
they used was highest male. Was it like highest male standard?
I thought, wow, talk about deliberately trying to piss a

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group of people off and make horrible headlines go for
If we have enough people to do it, great, That
was my only point in all this. I don't know
if we do or not.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Somewhere there's a guy that's had a drill sergeant in
his face, like what he was going through basic listening
to you right now, going oh, the last thing we
wants to have people get their feelings hurt. Somebody was
probably called filth Floren Floren filth right to their face.
Somebody went full full metal jacket on somebody, and we're
going back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Look.

Speaker 20 (01:32:03):
I love that they've said the people in charge can't
be big fatties and lazy people either.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
I love that.

Speaker 20 (01:32:09):
But I also wonder though, like, Okay, let's take patent
during World War two, Shorts cough or Schwartz cough or Eisenhower,
would they have met the physical requirement. I think they
did a pretty good job. But look, if there's enough
people I'm fine with it. I just wonder, in the
era where it's so hard to get people to engage
in the military, if you're actually gonna have enough people

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to pull off what you want to do. I guess
we'll see. Hopefully we never see. Hopefully there are no hopfelly,
you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Have to send troops anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
I'm confused by what the womenists want. That's what they
called them in PCU, the movie The Womenist. Do you
want to be treated like men? Do you want to
be treated like everybody? Do you want to play the
sports with the men? Okay, then the standards are the same.
You've got to pass the same test that this dude
has to pass, because if you have to rescue somebody
from the field of battle, you got to pick them
up and move them.

Speaker 15 (01:32:55):
Look.

Speaker 20 (01:32:56):
I don't have any problem with that, and at least
we're finally admitting out loud that men, biological men, all
things being equal, are physically superior, stronger than women. Now,
of course it doesn't mean everybody that Rhea Ripley checked
from WWE could break me in half, right, But I'm
just saying generic man versus generic woman. At least we're
the admitting that outloud, and I think this is great.

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My only point on it was do you have enough
people to actually pull this off? And if not, how
are you going to get enough people?

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
Come back for one more?

Speaker 14 (01:33:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Rob Kendall going off the rails.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
This is the Hammer and Nigel Show.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
It's back.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
But Rob Kendall of the Kendall and Casey Show nine
to nude here at ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
So this story is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Making national headlines now, like Trump's Deputy chief of Staff
on policy, Stephen Miller, was tweeting about it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
The dude that has been arrested.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Ninety nine times for various crimes here in nd now
he's charged with stabbing somebody. It was an attempted murder.
FOP President Rick.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
Snyder joined us yesterday and said, Jade, you're already less.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Than the charge. It was right right there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
They've lessed the charge of this already. I mean, this
is laughable. You should be humiliated if you work in
the prosecutor's office here in Marion County.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
But I got a feeling they're not well.

Speaker 20 (01:34:15):
So this is interesting. A couple of weeks ago, we
played this clip Josh Bain, who's a City County councilor
was interviewing one of these I think it was a
Superior court judge during their budget hearing, and he asked
about this issue about these people getting back out on
the street, and the judge's response like, when you actually
just listen to the words, not all that bad, right,
Like he was making some decent points. I was trying

(01:34:36):
to listen to it objectively, but he was so like
flippant and arrogant in his response back to Bain, and
that was what really set me off. And it's sort
of a microcosm of what's going on here in which
everybody kind of points their finger at somebody else, Like
the judges point at the prosecutor, the prosecutin the mayor.
The mayor points back at the prosecutor. The mayor points
at the judges. Like everybody's pointing at each other instead

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of saying, look, we were at crisis point here and
we've got to come together and figure out what's going
on in Hey, if we need to help with the
legislature to do it, great, but nobody seems to be
leading on this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
And when did it become such a bad thing to
lock people up, Like somehow in this county. In Marion County,
we went through a phase of where, well, we can't
just lock up bad people for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Why how did we get to that point?

Speaker 20 (01:35:22):
Well, Indy, Marion County is toast right, and the problem
is you're like the last true believer left Hammer.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
I'm not leaving well, and you should. You should have to.
I'm Leo and the Wolf of Wall Street.

Speaker 20 (01:35:34):
Well, I mean, it's the same reason I'd love to
get the hell out of warehouse Berg. But it's like, hey,
wait a second, I was here first. I'm not leaving right.
But in terms of the people who have left Indianapolis,
there's so few Republicans left that the Democrats can do
whatever they want and there's no ramification for their actions.
And I hate to be a Debbie you know me,
I hate to be a Debbie Downer.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
That's right, you're normally just a bucket of joy.

Speaker 20 (01:35:54):
But I don't see how this gets any better because
I don't see there's the plical will to put new
people in to make to make the difference. I don't
know how it gets any better. Special thanks to Garage
Stores of Indianapolis. Happy birthday, fat boy, you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Thank you he's off the rails.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
That's Rob Kendall. This is the Hammer and Nigel Show.