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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hammer and Nigel Do you believe these characters are weirdos?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Can e everybody? Ay? My name is Nigel, the gun
guy guy Ralford filling in for Jason Hammer, also live
in studio, WIBAC news director John Herrick talking about the
biggest story in Indy. It's getting obviously national attention, but
I think that this is still probably the biggest story
in Indie. The Mark Sanchez story, the Fox broadcast reformer

(00:27):
quarterback for USC and probably most famously known for the
butt fumble blooper the New York Jets. But he was
in town to call the Colts game for Fox Sports
and wound up getting stabbed and also arrested. You have
been covering this extensively, Ryan Hendrick from the WIBC newsroom

(00:50):
has been covering this extensively. Can you just maybe there's
some things I'm still not clear on. Can you maybe
just start at the beginning?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
So, the very first report sort of a stabbing, came
in around twelve thirty in the morning on Saturday. So
all throughout the morning on Saturday, Jared Lewis was our
Saturday anchor, was reporting about the stabbing, but IMPD had
not released anything about who had been stabbed, Yes, and
then it comes out with TMZ that it was Mark Sanchez.

(01:18):
So we're feverishly calling IMPD, doing everything we can to
get some documentation that it was in fact him. They
don't release the identity of people involved unless they've arrested
them or unless the person has died, so they didn't
release his identity until he had been until they knew
that they were going to arrest him. Fox Sports pr

(01:40):
put out a statement saying that we are our thoughts
and prayers are with Mark Sanchez. We are we appreciative
of the fact that he is getting exceptional care, and
at that point we knew it was indeed Mark Sanchez.
And then of course it involved, it involved into more
of the probable cause affidavit comes out and says that
he gets into a scuffle with this truck driver.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
They had a dispute, a sixty nine year old truck drive.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yes, yes, who was just I guess there to make
a delivery order where it was behind the Weston Hotel,
I think on Washington Street and Senate And so what
the report says is that Mark Sanchez was in this
alley doing sprints of some kind. I don't know he
was sounds like he was doing some sort of checked up. Yeah,
I guess, and he tells this driver that you can't

(02:25):
park here, and the driver got confused, like well, wait,
do you work here? And he's like no, but he's like,
you can't park there. And then they got next thing,
you know, words got had and then they're involved in
some sort of scuffle and Mark Sanchez gets stabbed and
then a nearby bartender helps Mark Sanchez get to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Wait a minute, so where did he So did Mark
Sanchez get in a guy's truck at one point? Yeah,
the guy, the worker guy, the sixty nine year old
pepper sprayed him, right.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yes, so there was what the what the probable cause
affter David says is that he entered the truck for
some reason, got into it with this guy, and then
that guy had to said he had to pepper spray
him and then stab him in self defense because he.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
He stabbed him in the truck.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
One of the criminal charges, by the way, is unlawfully
entering a motor boat vehicle.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yes, so he's facing and then the result the update
today is that he's now facing a felony charge of
battery involving serious bodily injury.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
That was the press conference with IMPD Chief Bailey and
Ryan Meer.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, and now he's still now. Some people have asked,
is he facing the misdemeanor charges or just the felony.
He's facing both. He's facing this felony charge on top
of the misdemeanor charges for a.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
How so Sanchez was stabbed in self defense with this
guy's knife. Have you seen the pictures of the victim? Yes?
I have. Do we know how he was injured? Exactly?
I So like that's the one I'm confused. Did Sanchez
take his knife and put that big gash in his
cheek or did he throw him up? We didn't he

(04:02):
They eventually throw him up and gets a trash can
or something. That's Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
The accusation is that that's what happened, and that he
and the driver said that he thought Sanchez was going
to kill him. Now, the family is trying to remain
anonymous in all this, but they sent out that picture yesterday.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Dude, Well, allegedly Sanchez ft that guy. Yeah, yes, and
it looks like he took a knife to his jawline.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah, and there's a really serious gas.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
That's what I'm saying of it. That's what That's what
I'm saying. I wonder, I wonder what that's from. Is
it from his own knife? Did there's nothing about Sanchez
using a weapon? Well so he yeah, we don't.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
I don't know of what the I'm not exactly sure
what kind of weapon he used. All I know is
what from what Marion County Prosecutor Ryan Meers told the
media today along with that picture that was circulating, is
he said, because I asked the prosecutor's office this weekend,
I said, how is he only getting misdemeanor charges? And
they said to me over the weekend that they might

(05:05):
upgrade them or find more. Well, that that was what
this presser was about. They said they had enough to
charge him now with the felony and that's why they
decided to add that on there.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
And by the way, battery with a deadly weapon is
a separate level five felony that he has not been
charged with. The Sanchez has not been charged with.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
So deadly weapon, yes, and he's not been charged, but.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
He's not been charged with so. And there is one
reference in the probable cause affidavit that John mentioned that
the Sanchez threw this guy up against a dumpster, That's
what I was saying, and that that could easily you know,
I'm speculating obviously, but that could have caused a gash
in his cheek, and without necessarily it being a knife,
for instance. But we I'm sure there are going to
be many more facts that come out. One question I

(05:49):
would ask you, John, is what do you think sort
of a way this story morphed dramatically from the time
we started getting initial reports through basically what we know now,
and there are still facts to come out. For instance,
you know a lot of conflicting reports, a lot of
finger pointing going on after the fact, and and I
even had some knucklehead today it would jump my case

(06:10):
on my Facebook page saying your original post on this
was way off. And all I did was repost the
TMZ report that had a statement from Fox News and
said horrible look for Indy, which it is. I don't
care who's at fault. You know, a guy like this
getting stabbing downtown Indy, he's not a good look for Indy.
I said, horrible look for Indy. Prayers for his rapid recovery.
That's all I said. I had plenty fingers. I didn't

(06:31):
blame the mayor. I didn't blame the prosecutor. But but, but,
but there are a lot of early posts and early
reports out there. That's one thing.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah, I bragged on on the WWC newsroom, by the way,
on my show on Saturday, because you guys were doing
it right. You were quick, but you were accurate. But
I just want to know what you think about how
this story kind of morphed, if there are any lessons
in this for maybe some of the other media outlets
out there.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I just think the biggest thing you have to do
is I have no issue with what TMZ put out there.
And when when Jason Hammer, our colleague, let me know
about it, I said, I appreciate you let me know,
but I need to I need to make sure i'd
do some digging and get the right response and get
the appropriate responses from the people involved. And so I
had I was calling and texting my sources. Obviously Ryan
Hedrick was calling and texting his sources. And I just

(07:19):
think the biggest thing you need to do it's it's
so easy, and I've made this mistake myself, so I
kind of didn't I wasn't really critical of people in
my head. I was more just you know what, I
get this as a really highly emotional story, but you
can't jump to the conclusion yet that you think you
know what happened yet until the facts come out.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
And you also need to you sort.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Of need to work with police there, because the police
are not trying to impede you. They just want to
make sure they get things right. Same thing with the
with the attorneys. So I just think, I think you
have to calmly assess each situation and make make the
appropriate phone calls before you go off on a tangent.
I think there's where there's where a few people that
did that. I get that, I understand that, but that's

(08:02):
when we always talk about that in the newsroom. Just
remaining calm to make sure you get the situation assessed properly.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
I agreed complete with all that. And it's particularly true
when it comes to assigning blame. Yes, right, because a
lot of people went out there and immediately started pointing fingers.
I said, this is a bad look for Indy because
Mark Sanchez getting stabbing bound downtown Indy is a bad
look for Indy. I don't care who's at fault. But
when you start saying and it's so and so's fault,
or this is another result of so and so's failures,

(08:28):
I think that's when you get out ahead of your
skis a little bit.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, what okay, So guy, you're a criminal defense attorney,
albeit your your specialty is Second Amendment self defense, though,
I mean, I've had a lot of it, So this
is a self defense.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
This could be and I've had a ton of self defense.
Batteryk battery with a deadly weapon, aggravated battery, we call
it battery. Was Harry's Botle injury. I've defended all those,
many of them.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
What kind of I mean, just up to off the
top of your head here at the beginning, as we
don't know everything that happened, what kind of time are
we looking at, if any? Well, for the kinds of charges.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Investigations can go on for quite some time. Charges can
be amended, even substantially, you know, over a substantial amount
of time. So I wouldn't be shocked at any of that.
But one thing that's important to note is you know
that it was reported at universally, and I think it's
consistent with the probable cause affidavit of the Sanchez was
quote unquote not cooperating at the scene, which is which

(09:22):
is cop speaker did not give a statement, and so
I haven't seen John correct me if I'm wrong. I
haven't seen that that Sanchez has made a statement yet.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, something about he grabbed the window and he didn't
remember what happened. He told the yes, tell the police there,
tell the.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Bar owner that he told the police that, or I
think he said he grabbed the window and that's all
he remembers. He definitely said it to witnesses or some
people at the scene. I don't think it was dubbed
an official statement. Okay, funny story about that. R Ryan
Hedrick today looked up Mark Sanchez's cell phone numb and

(10:01):
called the number and somebody answered wow, and whoever was
on the other end said, may ask who's calling, and
Ryan said, that's Ryan Hendrick from WYBC, and then then
that person just grunted and hung up. So that could
have been Sanchez. Maybe that was one of Sanchez's representatives.
But we are trying to get to see if Sanchez
will make a statement. Now he's probably not going to.

(10:21):
He's probably gonna let his attorneys handle it, but we
thought we'd just do that and that's great work by Rise.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Is that do we know officially if he's hired Voyles, Yes,
that's the go to guy.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
So the two the three attorneys that are going to
be representing him are Jim Boyles, Jennifer luke Meyer, and
Tim Delaney. Those are the three people, the three attorneys
on the case, which you know, I'm not surprised. Jim
Boyles is a pretty high profile at Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
And by the way, one thing to any self defense
case is there are always two sides of the story.
And I'm not saying that Sanchez has any legitimate defense
or whether he was absolutely justified in doing what he's doing.
I don't know. Those facts are going to have to
come out. But my point raising the issue of Sanchez
not apparently not giving a detailed statement yet, that means
by definition that the probable cause affidavit was based primarily

(11:08):
on what the current alleged victim had to say. And
I also understand there may be some video which kind
of cuts way down on that. He said, She's all to.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Do is look at the alleged victim. Yeah, well it's
probably that too.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Well, I've defended cases where the other person died but
it was completely justified and legal based on self defense.
So so injuries don't spell it out, and I just
as another word of caution out there. Until Sanchez tells
his story, whether that's in quarter or otherwise, we haven't
necessarily heard both sides of it. Now. If there's video again,

(11:43):
huge point, because it doesn't matter what the stories are
much at that point. If it's clearly depicted on video evidence,
we find out more details.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
W IBC dot com is where we have the latest
obviously be talked about in our newscasts all day and
the full presser. The full pre user with Ryan Mears
and Chief Bailey is embedded in our article at the
top of the website.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Great work, gentlemen, Thank you Matt Bare what's going on
with traffic? Stay Hammer in Nigel Show. My name is
Nigel gun guy filling in for Hammer. Something really cool

(12:27):
going on at Everwise Amphitheater this Friday. It's a it's
a big benefit. We've been talking about this with I
m p D Chief Chris Bailey a couple of weeks ago.
This organization Frontline has putting on this benefit concert with
legendary classic rock bands Kansas and Jefferson Starship. And this

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is a big benefit, you know, raising money for Indies
first responders. We're gonna go to the hotline and bring
on Dane Nutty. He is the president and CEO of
the Indie Public Safety Foundation. Dane, how, how are you,
my man?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
I'm doing well this morn How are you doing excellent?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
And first of all, what is Frontline and tell me
about the show?

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (13:09):
So Frontline is the Indie Public Safety Foundation's kind of
signature fundraising event each year. So it's an opportunity for
us to raise some vital funds but also kind of
bring our first responder and communities together.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
And this year we.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Are incredibly excited you said, to have two iconic rock
legends such as Cancer and Jefferson Starship in one show.
We're super pumped to be able to put that on
not only for the city and the community, but for
our first responders as well.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Okay, so Frontline is your signature fundraising event, like you said,
maybe expand out just a little bit and tell us
what the Indie Public Safety Foundation is and how you're involved.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Yeah, so that's a great question. The Indie Public Safety Foundation.
We're a nonprofit here in Indianapolis about ten years old.
I'm established with really kind of a very simple goal
in making sure that our first responders have what they
need resource wise to be to do their job safely
and effectively. So, whether that's a piece of equipment, a training,
a tool, recognition, We're here to work with each of

(14:08):
those agencies to help just really support the folks that
serve and protect our community each day.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
So maybe mention some specifics here, what is there are
there dollars that are going to be raised at this
concert on Friday at ever Wise with Kansas and Jefferson
Starship going to specific items for Indies first responders.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
Yeah, so really this this fundraiser is to help fund
the Indie Public Safety Foundation and the dollars that we
get that we then invest in agencies throughout the year.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
We invest over a million dollars a year, whether that's.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
In things such as you know a lot of times
it's a recognition program, so it's off of the month,
those types of things. We buy equipment, so you name it,
we've probably bought it at some point. Anything from you know,
stop the bleed mannequins to uh stick resistant gloves Ryan PD.
So this helps fun kind of the overall operation and.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
The Indie Public Safety Foundation.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
So that week and then throughout the year ensure that
we're getting all the dollars and resources we can into
those agencies.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Dan Nutty, President and CEO of the Indie Public Safety Foundation.
Frontline is putting on this benefit concert with Kansas and
Jefferson Starship this Friday. Everwise Amphitheater, White River State Park.
Can you think of maybe one specific need that's imperative
for first responders that we can raise money for.

Speaker 6 (15:28):
You know, I can't identify one specific need, but I
would tell you the kind of theme. First Responder wellness
is a really important theme, especially over the last four
to five years, that has grown significantly, and I think
we have during twenty twenty in the pandemic, we had
a height and awareness of what those folks do for
us every day. That kind of awareness and recognition is

(15:50):
certainly waned a little bit just because life got a
little bit back to normal, right or a new normal,
But the demands on those first responders have certainly not decreased.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
And so expand on what you mean by illness?

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yeah, so wellness, So wellness for first responders is everything
from ensuring that they have access to mental health support,
that they have access to physical health support, financial health support,
really any of those areas that ensure that we're recognizing
and supporting what they do and the trauma thatthetic that
you know, impacts their life, that we can have resources

(16:22):
available to them so that they have you know, their
family life doesn't suffer because of it.

Speaker 7 (16:27):
Because overall, ensuring that you see some pretty traumatic things
as a first responder, whether you're an EMT or law enforcement,
and you have to process those things.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
And yeah, and wellness you're telling me, is one of
those things that you'll be raising money for.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and so and wellness looks, you know,
it looks can be differently, can be everything from recognizing
what they do each day to making sure they do
have proper equipment and training, right, because that's all part
of ensuring that they feel supported and recognized and valued
for the work that they do our community.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
And I'm sure there's gonna be plenty of first responders
and law enforcement on site. Do they understand they do
they appreciate I'm sure they have to just just be,
you know, beside themselves, like with the outpouring of support,
having classic rock bands come in and raise all this
money for them, how do they feel when they see
the show of support from the public.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Yeah, the response has been incredible. So from the start,
we kind of made a pledge that any first responder
that wants to attend will make sure we get access
to them to afford them that opportunity. The response has
been huge. I think, not only does to see all
these community and business you know, organizations that are helping
sponsor and supporting them, but then again having two iconic

(17:44):
legends coming here for this specific event and you know
it's going to be a night that that shows them
some love from stage, from the tactical tailgate beforehand, I
think the response has been pretty incredible and something that
they needed a little bit. You know, we can't we
cannot thank them enough for what they do for our community,
and this is one big way.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
To do that.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Besides the concert, is there anything else people can expect
to see an experience at this event this Friday at
ever wise Amphitheater.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Yes, sir, Yeah, so seven thirty is when the concert begins,
but that hour beforehand, so from six thirty.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
To seven thirty. We're doing what we call the tactical tailgate.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
So that's where all the apparatus and the different agencies,
their equipment, their tools, they bring them all out and
we really create an environment where people can get kind
of hands on with first responders and they you know,
figure out, you know, put on.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
The SWAT gear or check out the latter.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
With IFD and so really make it kind of a
public safety playground, if you will. But it also does
something more than just give some cool experiences. It really
allows people to connect with first responders on a human levels.
I think we often forget that they are humans with
families and feelings a lot of times.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
So it allows us to have.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Some of that meaningful engagement and really learn about what
they do for our community each day.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, I think what Indie Public Safety Foundation and Frontline
are doing this Friday is going to be amazing Kansas
Jefferson Starship celebrating Indies first responders, raising money. Where can
people get tickets? How can people get more information?

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (19:20):
Absolutely, they can check our website out at INDIEPSF dot
org backslash Frontline and that has all the information about
the event. They can also just go to ticketmaster dot com,
search for Kansas and look for the date on Friday,
October tenth, and they can buy tickets directly from Ticketmaster
and then either way they can get connected with us

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and make sure that they have what they need to
have an incredible evening.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Hey, Dan, God bless you man. Dane Nutty, President and
CEO of the Indie Public Safety Foundation, best of luck
this Friday. Tell your first responders. Tell the law enforcement
that the Hammer Nagel Show is thinking about them and
praying for them, and we appreciate everything they do for us.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
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Speaker 2 (20:50):
So there was a press conference earlier today with Mary
and County Prosecutor Ryan Meres, along with IMPD Chief Bailey,
and all having to do with former NFL quarterback Mark Sanchez,
who was in town to call the Colts game for
Fox Now, all of a sudden facing felony charges for
Saturday's stabbing incident in downtown Indy.

Speaker 9 (21:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
If you haven't heard about this, it's being covered extensively
on this show, on this website w IBC dot com.
But you and Emma were telling me about something that
Russ McQuaid from Fox fifty nine asked. Yeah, a question,
he asked the prosecutor. Yeah, apparently it's like so eye
roll worthy. Well, like, I just can you can you

(21:32):
maybe explain what? He asked?

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Oh yeah, and apparently Jason, even on his day off,
is watching news conferences. But yeah, the Chief Bailey and
Ryan Meers, Marrionkenny prosecutor, gave a press conference. They ran
asking some answering, some questions.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
They upgraded Sanchez's charges to level five felony based on
the fact that the victim now incurred they say serious
body of the injury and battery with a bodily injuries
level five felony.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
So they announced that, and they were answering other questions
and uh, Russ mcquaidon.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
He went to sarcastically called you a to a scholar,
a scholar?

Speaker 5 (22:13):
That was it? That was it a hearing? Well, he
was referencing a hearing where I testified in favorable Pro
two a bill in the legislature. But he and I
have kind of been going at it since then, but
I should have known. And by the way, he covered
the constitutional carry legislation extensively when we were trying to
get that passed. And that's the context where he sarcastically
called me a scholar, which, by the way, a member

(22:35):
of the Democrat on the committee had actually called me
that sincerely and asked me a legitimate question. Anyway, Russ,
he used to be good. I don't know what happened.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
I just think he's a good reporter. I think he's
a good investigative reporter. But on this thing that that
he does on his well out in the open of
these press conferences and the stuff that he puts on Facebook. Yeah,
I mean, I'll go back and imagine letting my my,
my unbiased reporters put the stuff that he does on Facebook.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Well, yeah, and he's he's but he's just so biased
against the Second Amendment. I mean, he called the hero
of the Greenwood Park mall shooting, my client Eli Dickon,
called him the second shooter at at the mall shooting.
But in that context, by the way, I think he's
still mad that constitutional carry passed when it did in
twenty twenty two, because here's what he asked Ryan Mears

(23:27):
and and Chief Bailey, considering Indiana is a constitutional carry state,
how lucky are we that somebody's not dead of a
gunshot wound. Now this is in the context of a
stabbing that was allegedly self defense.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Can you hear me rolling my eyes through the radio.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
But there was no shooting, There was no shooting, gun
wasn't involved, much less constitutional carry. Well, aren't we just
lucky that given this horrific law we have in this state?
And to Ryan Meer's credit, when he answers the question,
he says, you know, what as we've looked at the
numbers over the years, the number of cases that we've screened.
We we look at that through the lens of self defense,

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and that number has gone up because there are more
people armed and protecting themselves.

Speaker 10 (24:14):
Said that.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
Meer said that. Uh, and he said, which is a
right that they have? So there you go, said that. Well,
I'm just reading the transcript, but he's saying, they're saying
that they're they're there. They have to be screened by
the prospect. You know, I shouldn't attribute that because I
actually don't know that could have been that could have
been Chief Bailey to your point. But but but how

(24:36):
bither way question? How lucky are we that no one
shot given constitutional carry?

Speaker 11 (24:42):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Please?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
And I and I said, is that question? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (24:46):
But I said when it was when it was passed.
When we passed constitutional carry in twenty twenty two, I said,
get ready because for the foreseeable future, constitutional cary is
going to get blamed for everything. I mean, from somebody
spitting on the sidewalk to you know, who knows what,
and here you go, you've got a stabbing downtown and
Russell Rush mcquad still wants to blame it on constitutional character.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Well, Democrats are always I can only assume Russ McQuaid
is a Democrat, and what he posts on his personal
Facebook pages, yeah, is pretty evident. And he hates the
two He hates the Second Amendment, he hates the gun laws,
he hates constitutional character carry. But it just seems like
in general, Democrats are always saying the American public wants

(25:29):
stricter gun laws. They want it the American public. The
Democrats seem to have the pulse of the American public
when it comes to guns. However, Reuter's poll says otherwise.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
Right now, we just had a Reuter's poll, and I
think correct me if you disagree, Nige, But I think
Ruters is seen as pretty, you know, straight down the
middle of the fairway. I don't know that they have
a leaning left or right.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I would probably think they lean more left, but that
we can have another discussion about that.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
But they ran a poll and turns out the majority
of Americans, by a margin of four percent, actually a
majority like our gun laws today and are not in
favor of strict or control. And then it went on
to say that they prefer by a significant majority, they

(26:19):
preferred Republicans approach to gun laws over Democrats in terms
of political platforms. So you know, we always hear democrats
to your point saying, oh, you know, we're on the
side of the American public on this. We need to
ban this type of weapon, or we need this restriction
or pass this other law. And turns out a national
poll done by Reuters just came out and refute that directly.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Can you stick around? Well, of course you're going to
stick around for a second segment because you're filling in
for a hammer. But we have I want to ask
you about the Skotis case. I want to ask you
about if the government shut down is affecting gun owners.
Right back with Guy Railford here on Monday, Gun Day
ninety three WIBC quote unquote government shut down. I'm sure
I can't believe you're here, you're functioning. How are we

(27:02):
still able to move about? But I did start thinking
about does the government shut down affect gun owners? I mean,
can you still can you still buy a gun because
of that? The background check system.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Yeah, it's a twofold answer to that. Note. The National
Instant Criminal Background Check System, which we abbreviate is NIX.
That's what's used it's run by the FBI out of
West Virginia. If you just go into a gun store
and want to buy your typical rifle, shotgun, pistol, they
do a background check and an instant background check on

(27:36):
you before they let you leave with that gun. Through NIX.
NIX is still up and running. It's been deemed to
be essential performing a quote unquote critical function. So NIX
is running. You want to go to your local gun
store buy a gun past the background check, you can
still do that if you want to transfer an NFA item.
By that, I mean something regulated by the National Firearms Act.

(27:57):
This is what regulates suppress what some people call silencers
or short broiled rifles or machine guns, short brailed shotguns,
a couple other categories. The processing by ATF of NFA
applications to transfer, because you have to register those unlike
a typical firearm, and that's a separate process that's done

(28:19):
by ATF. That ATF branch is shut down during the
government shutdown, so you're not gonna be able to transfer.
And AHTF had gotten quick. Last couple of suppressors I
bought were like three days or less. I mean they
were fast compared to years ago. It used to be
months and months and months, but not right now because
they're just not processing in either going to get a
big backlog, I would assume, and then there will be

(28:42):
slow for a bit of time. So folks need to
understand that.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Two minutes new Supreme Court case. Can you explain the
law in Indiana and what this is all about.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah, well, this is a case. It's Wolford versus Lopez,
I believe, and it's out of Hawaii and on the
heels of the Bruin decision, the Supreme Court case that says, yes,
you have a right to carry a handgun, much to
Russ mcwade's consternation, you have a right to carry a
handgun in public for self defense. And what a lot

(29:13):
of states did, including Hawaii's, they ran out and they
declared a bunch of places sensitive areas because the Supreme
Court said, well, we're not saying that there's a right
to carry everywhere, like in certain sensitive places like schools.
So states took that language and seized on that and said, well, basically,
every damn place is a quote unquote sensitive area where
we're going to prohibit firearms. And what Hawaii did is

(29:36):
they passed a law that said, unless a business owner
has given you express permission to carry a gun on
their premises, it's against Hawaii law. You go to prison
for carrying a gun there unless you have I'm not
talking about people who haven't prohibited it. I'm talking about
prior express approval for you to carry a gun there.
Then that's illegal in Hawaii, and of course that's going

(29:56):
to apply to most places. So Scotus has taken that case,
and I'm thrilled to see it because I think it's
going to further define after the Brewin decision in twenty
twenty two or so.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, I mean, if you had to predict what's that,
If you had to predict, where's it going.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Oh, I think they're going to overturn Hawaii's law. It
matters to me, though, how broad the ruling is. Are
they just going to say this prior express approval requirement
is going or are they're going to further define the
right to carry you and limit state's ability to just
label everywhere a sensitive area, to really whittle away at
the impact of the Brewin decision and the impact of

(30:32):
the Second Amendment. So I think we're going to get
a positive decision out of it. I'm just really curious
how broad it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
All Right, we've got deleted tweets from high level local
government officials regarding as the Sanchez thing, but the response
was pretty good. I like the response. We'll get to that.
Do you want to do and ask the gun Guy's
segment or two where people can call in and ask.
I mean, I've got a two way scholar sitting right

(30:57):
in front of me, according to the restame Second Amendment attorney,
licensed firearms instructor. Why don't we plan on doing ask
the gun guy at four point thirty? When to do that?
Is that a good time? Let's pee it up and
we'll get you to the very latest on what happened
over the weekend with Fox broadcaster Mark Sanchez, the stabbing,

(31:18):
the arrest and everything in between. My name is Nigel,
Guy Hammer is out, Guy Relford filling in, and we
will be right back. It's the Hammer, Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
Do you believe these characters are weirdos?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Find name is Nigel, Jason Hamer is gone, the gun Guy,
Guy Relford, Licensed Firearms Instructor two A attorney sitting in
his place, couldn't think of a better time to have
you in as you were a criminal defense attorney. And
what happened with a former football player and football announcer
Mark Sanchez over the weekend and the sixty nine year

(31:58):
old man that he allegedly at act one would fall
under the category of self defense because Mark Sanchez was
stabbed several times, and but but he was being very
aggressive with this guy. I mean, we all know the story.
I'm not going to go through it right now, but
there were some people that got it wrong. Initially. There

(32:19):
were some people that thought, well, Indianapolis, look in Adananapolis.
I think is still could be a dangerous place at night.
It wouldn't be totally out of the realm of possibility
that a crazy guy stabbed Mark Sanchez as he was
coming out of his hotel or something like that.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Okay, yeah, I'm sorry ahead, So no.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I was just saying, so when we finally find out
that it was oh wait, he was the victim and
the aggressor here, that was confusing to a lot of people.
There was a lot of erroneous tweets and information flying about.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
Exactly what happened. And you know, I I reposted this
the the article put out by TMZ that included a
statement from Fox Sports Sanchez's employer that said he'd been
stabbed in downtown Indianapolis. And I reposted that and I said,
for instance, this is a horrible look for Indy. And

(33:13):
I didn't attribute fault to anyone. I just said, if
somebody who's nationally known comes to Indy and gets stabbed. Now,
a lot of people, from the initial reports took from
the reported facts mark Sanchez is stabbed in Indianapolis an
inference that is, for instance, a victim and a robbery,
and a lot of people assumed that, and a lot
of people published that. A lot of people tweeted with
that as the inference.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Said anything about a robbery, any article that was I know, but.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
You started seeing that in people's tweets and whatnot, because
people were just drawing an inference that the facts, as
reporter didn't necessarily support. So I think some people jumped
the gun in reporting things as fact or drawing conclusions
from reported facts that weren't yet warranted. And I think
that's a lesson. That's why, again I really applaud the
way the WBC newsroom, under John Herock's direction, approached this

(34:01):
whole issue, because when you read what they put out,
they were putting out only the facts, just the facts,
what had been established and then updated as necessary, especially
when IMPD started releasing more detailed information, including the probable
cause affidavit that was filed in court.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, I think Rob Kendall had it right when he
said that Governor Braun should not have deleted his initial
tweet about the situation, which was I've been clear. City
leaders must do their jobs and hold criminals accountable. When
Indianapolis headlines national news for a lack of public safety,
it hurts our city in state. Hoosiers deserved better. Praying

(34:38):
for a full recovery from Mark Sanchez. Now, obviously he
didn't know all the facts there at the point, Mark
Sanchez was allegedly the aggressor. Even though he was stabbed,
he was arrested. So he deleted that tweet, which gave
Ryan Meres, the prosecutor, who hasn't tweeted it's twenty twenty two,

(35:01):
Is that right? I did not know that, Oh, Ryan Meres,
the prosecutor, who just who there was a guy? I
mean it made national headlines about the guy with it
was arrested ninety nine times, and on the ninety ninth
or one hundredth time, he stabbed a guy at gas
station here locally recently, and all of a sudden, Ryan Meres,

(35:23):
Billy badass responds to Governor Braun. The governor attempted to
exploit senseless violence for political gain without knowing any facts.
The truth didn't fit his narrative, and he deleted his tweet.
Real leadership requires a basic understanding of facts and a
desire to do more than just blame others. Which, look,

(35:48):
he saw his chance and he took it. And it
was kind of an l See like if Governor Braun
just would have said, hey, look, I'm not deleting the tweet.
I still think there is some real problems with crime
here in Indy. And by the way, you just you
just put a guy in jail who you've let go
ninety nine times for stabbing. Braun did respond with quote, Wow,

(36:15):
if one deleted tweet finally gets Ryan Mears to start
paying attention to the violent crime epidemic in our capital city,
putting violent criminals behind bars and keeping Indianapolis safe, and
I will start deleting more tweets, which I thought was
really clever. Yeah, funny.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
It was a pretty good comeback because with him having
deleted the tweet, he was I think, not looking real good,
and Mears took a deliberate and perhaps a reasonable shot back.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yes, I don't know reasonable well, because merrors again, the
nine just one of many, many, many, many, many, many,
many examples of a guy that has been in jail
ninety nine times, arrested and then stabbed. Many of those,
many of those prety arrests violent.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Well, two things can be true at the same time, right,
And it can be true that Governor Brown to the
extent that he was implying that Sanchez was an innocent
victim of violent crime in Indianapolis, then he was out
over his keys and he got that wrong and he
jumped the gun.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
But to.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Say what he said, which is that we need to
do a better job of controlling violent crime in Indianapolis,
and city officials in particular needed to do a better
job of that is still a completely reasonable and truthful statement.
So two things can be true. At the same time,
he drew an assumption he shouldn't have drawn. At the
same time, we still do have a problem that needs
to be addressed.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
So they had the press conference today Chief Bailey and
Prosecutor Bryan Meres for Mark Sanchez now facing you know,
former NFL quarterback played at USC. Yeah, big stud I
mean oh yeah, and then became kind of a joke
for the infamous butt fumble.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Oh yeah, Blipper, that's still the number one blooper on
ESPN of all time. But no, his senior year at
USC led the nation in yards and touchdowns passing.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
They know he's a uh he was gonna call the
Colts game. Yeah, yep, And this happened. And then they
called a press commence today to you know, up the charges.
What what does uh Ryan Meer say. I'm getting this
from WBC dot com. Ryan mere says he's upgrading Sanchez's

(38:27):
charges to a level five felony battery involving serious bodily injury.
This move is warranted because of the extent of the
victim's injuries. Is there a way you could put in?

Speaker 5 (38:39):
I mean, yeah, no, And that makes perfect sense because
here's how the battery statute works. That defines that crime,
notge you know what battery is battery. I've said for
years battery is the easiest crime in the world for
any prosecutor ever prove you know what battery is. Battery
is touching someone, grab somebody. No, it's just touching someone
in a rude, angry or insolent manner. That's it. Like
if you're in my way and I go, dude, move

(39:00):
and I shove you, that's a battery. Now it's only
a class B misdemean I if you call the cops
and the cops come and they say, well, were you
injured when guy pushed you, and you said, well, no,
I don't have any marks or anything, and then then
they always ask did it hurt? Did you experience pain?

Speaker 12 (39:17):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (39:17):
Yeah, you know it did hurt a little bit the
way he shoved me.

Speaker 10 (39:19):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Now it's battery with injury, which is a class A
misdemeter up from a Class B. If they if you said, oh, no,
I broke my wrist when I fell down after he
shoved me. Ah, now you've got battery with probably moderate
bodily injury, which goes up UH to uh a level
six felony. And if you say no, I fell down

(39:41):
and cracked my head open, or maybe a big slash
in the side of my face like this gentleman has
after the sansis incident, then that's battery with serious bodily injury,
which goes up to a level five felony, which is
more severe than a level six. So when he says
we upgraded it based on the extent of the injury,
that's because that's the way the battery statutes written. If
you just get hurt a little bit, it's still only

(40:03):
a misdemeanor. If you get moderate bodily injury goes up
with felony. If you get severe bodily injury goes up
to a more severe felony from there with a.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
More possible severe outcome of punishment.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Six years is the maximum for a level five felony.
It's one to six years is the range for a
level five felon in prison.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Sanchez doing six years a year. I have no oils
and he's got that team. Oh yeah, and he hasn't
He hasn't done and I don't tell my now an
official police statement.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
No, I haven't seen any kind of a statement from him.
And police said he wasn't cooperating quote unquote of the scene,
which tells me he clammed up, which isn't necessarily a
bad idea if you have the potential target of a
criminal investigation. But but yeah, no, if he doesn't have
any other criminal history, and I have no idea whether
he does or he doesn't. But let's say he's got
a totally clean record and he gets convicted of a

(40:54):
level five, he might do a little bit of jail
time like your weekend kind of a thing, or a
few days, but probably not.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Let's go to I won't play this piece of audio
before we get to med Bear. So obviously he was
here to call the Colts game with Fox. And who
replaced him, you know, Kurt who was Brady Quinn. Brady
Quinn uh replaced him. Here's how Fox kind of dealt
with Mark Sanchez's absence.

Speaker 13 (41:24):
Man, Well, welcome you to Indianapolis, Cindiana, as the Las
Vegas Raiders visits the Thank you for being with us
and for tuning in on Chris Myers along with Brady
Quinn who is stepping in for Mark Sanchez. And obviously
we all want to send out our thoughts and prayers
to Mark and those involved in Friday's incident as we

(41:47):
get ready for today's game.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, I think by then we all know, we all
knew had he had was there an arrest by then,
by the start, I think we all knew what it happened.
I'm surprised they let him say anything. There's been some
incidents I've not personally been involved with, but been around
They're like, shut your mouth on this, don't say anything

(42:13):
on the air. Exactly exactly, Matt Bear, what's going on presents.

Speaker 14 (42:25):
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Speaker 2 (42:30):
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(42:50):
cash floating around out there from Indiana Unclaimed dot gov.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Right absolutely. In fact, I texted the Attorney General with
a picture of the check I got from Indiana Unclaimed
and said, this is all some thanks so much. I
got twenty five hundred bucks back from Indiana Unclaimed and
it was from it was primarily it was like four
or five old accounts. One of them was like an
account of checking account I opened when I was a kid,
like cutting grass and stuff. I would put money in

(43:14):
this and just a few dollars sat in that for
like literally like sixty years, fifty years, and it grew
into a decent amount of money. So yeah, I got
a check for fifteen hundred or twenty five hundred and
change from those guys. So it's it's real, and they'll
they'll get you a check if and it didn't cost
anything to check. You can just go on Indiana Unclaimed,
put in your name and it'll tell you if it's
got any money for you.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I'man in Colorado. Was stunned when he was charged nearly
twenty thousand dollars that had done for Airport parking garage.
He was just there twenty seven minutes, which means the
fee should have been seven dollars. Here's Jim talking about
his experience.

Speaker 15 (43:54):
After dropping off, my wife went through the parking gates
as usual. This was a second that I got. It
shows I entered the West Garage. I arrived at one
thirty four pm on October the second, twenty twenty five.
As the gate was opening, I heard the Chase Bank
notification that nineteen eight hundred and twenty four dollars had

(44:16):
been charged to Denver Parking. Something alerted the systems I
had arrived.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
It's good to stop it. There is this anything guy,
I mean, a glitch of the system obviously charges guy
nineteen thousand dollars depart there for twenty seven minutes.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
Yeah, it's especially something if they actually sucked nineteen thousand
and change out of his checking account, if he's like
using a debit card or put that on his credit card.
And it's even more something if the bank isn't really
fast and how they get that corrected. But you know,
you hear about this. You hear about people getting like
a gas bill or a water bill from hundred thousand
dollars or some insane thing. I think the more we

(44:55):
go to automated systems, the more the Ghost of the machine.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Gun said to you. Exactly it in Denver this past weekend.
If you're ever heard of an ultra runner race, you
know what that is?

Speaker 5 (45:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's fifty k right.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, fifty k thirty one miles. This one has a
little This one was different in Denver. It was called
the Taco Bell fifty K thirty one miles. Like you mentioned,
it includes mandatory stops at ten taco bells where you
have to order and consume Taco Bell. Here are a
couple of runners documenting their journey.

Speaker 14 (45:33):
Brent Denver, We're at to talk about Hooty K and
we're going fall down. We're ready to go for the
second House Bell meetings.

Speaker 16 (45:39):
Send him a question.

Speaker 14 (45:40):
Mountains Cheezy roller Top six fifty Abrina Rode Pas twenty
rat the next talk of belt tec Rollo that has
been in my belt for the past five miles, Ma
thirty I talked about, Hi guy, is this anything.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
It doesn't seem to me like thirty one mile race
involving Burrito Grande's every ten miles or a good idea.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
This is shocking to me. I'm not I'm not big
on fast food. I haven't been to it. I haven't
been to a Taco Bell since college at three ages. No,
I just I don't do a lot of fast food
at all. But but but the idea of that, you know,
that kind of spicy food, and then you know all contemporaneously.
I mean, when I played football and whatnot, I didn't

(46:28):
like having anything in my stomach. I didn't need three
or four hours before a football game. I get a nice,
big breakfast in college, but then but then you know,
I didn't want anything in my stomach when I'm playing
football running thirty one miles with ten stops at Taco
bell I want to know how many portal uts they
had set up along the way of this thirty one miles.
I mean, and I know none of that sounds appealing

(46:52):
to me in any way.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
You know what's funny, I'm going to be the last
two stories we had involve Denver, the city. I'm going
to be in that area at the end of this week,
and you know what it's happening there at the end
of this week that I'm not going to be a
part of. No what the Great American Beer Festival, the
nation's favorite beer festival. I don't know if it's a
it's kind of a cultural phenom. And going there with

(47:17):
the kids that were flying in the day that it starts,
but we're we're getting out the next day and going, man,
going out into the mountains.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
My middle son.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I'm just just like, I'm like, I can't believe I'm
going to miss this, yeh. And I'm going to be
right there.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Yeah. Well, I guarantee you there's going to be someone
named Ralford there because CJ. My son who's a school
teacher in Denver on he likes a good beer, so
I imagine he'll be checking that out.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Okay, let's take calls three one seven, two nine nine
three nine three. We're going to do ask the gun guy.
You are a licensed firearms instructor. You are a Second
Amendment attorney. You are a criminal defense attorney. People might
have some what kind of questions might be ill ask
of you?

Speaker 5 (48:01):
I mean just a lot of people know, yeah, how
the law of self defense works, things about where you
can and can't carry a gun. They may have questions
about how the Indiana self defense law works in the
context of the Mark Sanchez yes issue, but anything gun related.

Speaker 16 (48:16):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
You want a recommendation, you want some instruction, you want
some legal uh information, Just give us a call. Three
one seven, two three nine ninety three ninety three.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
It's the Hammer and Nigel show Hammer and Nigel show Man.
My name is Guy Joel, Guy Ralford, the gun guy,
filling in for Jason Hammer. We the I mean, I
guess the phone banks are full. We're gonna do ask
the gun guy any two Way related questions and any
criminal law related questions. Two three nine nine three. I'll

(48:51):
let you take over, Bud.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
Let's go right to the phone lines. And Andrew has
called Andrew, Welcome to Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
A gentleman.

Speaker 15 (49:00):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (49:03):
You may or may not know the answer to this guy,
and if you don't, I kind of hope you can
put me in the right direction. I'm sure you're familiar
with the burner launchers.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Oh yeah, okay, So, by.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
The way, for people who don't know, these things fire
what's essentially a pepper ball. It's a ball that has
some of the same components in it as oc spray
or mace, and it supposedly hit someone it bursts, and
then that can theoretically incapacitate people without actually using a
firearm that fires a solid projectile. You said, we said

(49:39):
that that's accurate.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Andrew, Yeah, that's that's accurate.

Speaker 11 (49:42):
But my question is I have a relative. It's in
the military, and she has a stalker and protective orders.
Obviously you can just wipe your butt with those because
don't do anything. But with being on the military, she
cannot legally.

Speaker 9 (49:56):
Carry a firearm on base.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Would she be able.

Speaker 11 (49:59):
To carry one of those burner launchers since they're not
technically a lethal or I guess they're a less lethal option.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
Yeah, I would certainly call it less lethal. But you
know how broad that army regulation is, because I'm sure
it goes beyond firearms quote unquote, And whether that's such
a broad definition as to capture a burn a launcher,
I that I do not know. Now. The definition of
firearm is just a weapon that expels a projectible by

(50:30):
means of an explosion, and in my mind, compressed gas
can can constitute that. But we don't have any cases
of criminal cases out there that alleged, for instance, a
felon was in possession of a quote unquote firearm because
they had a pellet gun or an air rifle or
a burner. So I don't think it'd be interpreted that way.
But that military that military regulation may be much broader

(50:52):
than just firearms, Andrew, and that'd be the first thing
to check, which unfortunately I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Andrew, is her stalker on base? Another? Is it another?
Or did we hang up on the Andrew, No, I'm
not here. Is her is her stalker on her base?

Speaker 9 (51:10):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (51:11):
And actually guy.

Speaker 11 (51:13):
Her and it's just gone up the chain and they
really aren't doing anything, so we just.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, that's a huge yeah something, I'm sorry man.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's a tough situation when up.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
On that that that I mean eight HR, you're commanding officer,
I mean.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Yeah, no, I mean I'd definitely be going up to
chain of command. To the extent this person is also
a member of the military, or even a civilian employee
of the military, then her chain of command ought to
be the first one to step in and protect her.
So no, there's there's definitely some more layers that onion
that need to be peeled. Go back to the phone lines,
and Chuck is called Chuck, Welcome to hammer Nadel.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
That's kind of funny, Nigel says by h R.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, yeah, in the military.

Speaker 8 (52:07):
I thought he said that she had a restraining order already,
so she's probably talked to a judge, right, yeah, it
takes that's an issue of restraining order, so I would
think that they've already risen above HR.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Yeah, did you have something force, Chuck?

Speaker 8 (52:20):
Yes, guy, I wanted to ask you a question about
I wanted to ask you. You're probably gonna think I'm
done for this one. What are the laws concerning protecting
one's property? What they firearm? I thought I've heard you
say in the past that you could not use a
firearm to only protect your property, like for business owners

(52:43):
when when the riots were going on and such. I
would assume that that would go to the citizenry.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
Too, right, Yeah, and it's right in the statute. It's
right in the self defense statute if you want to
look it up. A's Indiana Co. Thirty five forty one,
DESH three, Dish two and there's a sex out.

Speaker 8 (53:02):
Specifically. My question was, I had a couple of people
that live locally, both have animals. Yeah no dog, Yeah, well,
make dog jumped the other one's fence and that person
then shot at the other person's dog and hit the dog,
and the bullet went through the dog, and they were

(53:22):
looking for the round that had gone off the foundation,
so I know that it had gone through the dog.
That dog survived, by the way. My question was, is
that legal to actually use a gun in city limits
to shoot in an animal? I mean that's property right.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Well, you got two separate whole questions. One is you
can never use deadly force against a person to merely
to protect your personal property, So not talking about your
home because that's the castle doctor And that's a whole
different area of the law. But as far as your
personal property, your business. Unfortunately, in Indiana, we've been trying
to get this changed, but it's the way it currently reads.

(53:58):
Your business is just your property, your car, or your
wallet or your watch, and the statute is very clear
you cannot use deadly force against a person merely to
protect your property. Now, separate question. If I'm out walking
and a dog attacks me, can I not defend myself
against that dog. What's interesting is the self defense statute
only talks about justifying force against people. There's no reference

(54:21):
to defending yourself against an aggressive animal in the self
defense statute. Still, the way that's usually approached is you're
not going to get charged for that unless local prosecutors
think that you endangered a human by taking that shot,
and I guarantee you. In the case you're talking about,
they're looking for where the projectile ended up because they
want to determine if it went in a direction where

(54:42):
somebody was home, there were other people, there are people outside,
whatever it might be to go, aha, you endangered another person.
For instance, I've had multiple cases where guys are shooting
out on their private property somewhere and around, escapes their
property and ends up in the neighbor's siding of their house. Well,
there's somebody home at the time, they're invariably going to

(55:04):
get charged with criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon, which
is a level six felony. And I've had multiple cases
involving animals where somebody shoots at or shoots an aggressive dog,
but there were kids playing in the area, or there
was somebody home across the street, or somebody cutting their grass. Aha,
you endangered that person by shooting at the aggressive animal,
And it's very easy to get charged, not only charged,

(55:25):
but charged with a felony in that situation.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Else or did we want to take a break?

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Yeah, you want to take a break, I'll tell you.
We got somebody else calling in online one. We've got
John and Kevin and Mark still on holds. We'll go
right back to the phone lines.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
We got seventy five and clouds at the American Standard
Cooling Weather Center ninety three WIBC. I'm Nigel Guy Ralford two,
a attorney, licensed firearms instructor. We're in the middle of
ask the gun guy and we have five minutes. Who's next?

Speaker 5 (55:54):
Let's go to John has been on hold for a while, John,
thanks for calling. Welcome to Himmer.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Nigel, Hey, thank you for having me.

Speaker 16 (56:02):
Kind of a two part question, both of which have
to do with I'm a convicted telling I used to
do a lot of hunting when I was younger, and
now my son's at twelve years old and I want
to get him into hunting. I'm not about bow hunting,
but I don't know what restrictions there are if they're
already with going to a bow. I've heard about muzzle
loaders possibly, but I'll ever be able to own a firearm,

(56:26):
and my son, I don't know if there's any ways
to be able to get him where he can have
one outside of being an adult on his own.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Yeah, there's not a law that says you can't own
archery equipment as a convicted felon, depending on what level
fellon you might be, and we won't go into that
on the radio, but black powder, if you're a serious
violent fella in Indiana, that we still prohibit that. Otherwise,
the definition of an antique firearm, if a muzzleloader meets

(56:55):
the definition of antique, and it's a long definition, but
if you if it meets that explanation, then it's an
exception to the federal law that says you can't possess
a firearm with any felony conviction. But I'll tell you what,
if your conviction was long enough ago, if it was
over eight years ago, I'd look into expungement. Let's get
that sucker expunged off your record. If it's eligible. Not

(57:17):
all convictions are, but a lot are. We'll get that
expunged off your record and restore your right. So I'd
look at it in that order.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Is it bad? I always want to ask them what
their felonies were. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I want
to know.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Yeah, you know, I always worry we give their first name,
and then you know their employer might be listening or something.
I just get it sometimes I don't want to pry.
Let's go back to your phone lines. Mark has called Mark.

Speaker 9 (57:41):
Welcome to Hammer and Nigel, guys, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Sure, I just have a quick question.

Speaker 17 (57:47):
I attend a church that has a K through eight
school on the property. Yeah, a couple of days a
week they have an all school mass. Is there any
time I'm allowed to carry into church services, whether it
be on the weekend when school isn't in session, or
am I allowed to carry even on those days with

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schools in session in the students are in the church.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Well, the good news is is we changed that law
in twenty nineteen and I was heavily involved in this.
I fought hard for this. And what that says is
that that now if you're attending a worship service or
religious ceremony, worship service or religious ceremony on school property,

(58:35):
because by having a school on the same property or
in the same building, it's all church. It's all school property.
Rather so it used to be before twenty nineteen if
a church was on the same property with the school,
you could never carry in the church. Even though there's
not a separate law that you can't carry in a church,
there's a law that you can't carry in a school.
So in twenty nineteen we said, now we change the law,

(58:55):
and it law now says if you're attending a worship
service or a religious ceremony in a house of worship,
then you can lawfully carry any firearm that if you're
otherwise able to lawfully carry. In other words, if you
have a license or you're carrying under constitutional carry, you
can now carry while you're attending a worship service or
a religious ceremony, or as an employee or volunteer performing

(59:18):
your duties for the house of worship. Employee, volunteer, or
attending a worship service in any house of worship, even
though it's on school property, you can now legally carry.
Let's go back. We've got about a minute. Yeah, go ahead,
it's good. One more. Greg has called Greg. Welcome to
himmer Nougel.

Speaker 10 (59:35):
Hey, I appreciate you guys taking my call, and.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Yeah, I've said a swick question. I kind of take you.

Speaker 10 (59:41):
Backing off of two stone calls ago. I have a
selony over ten years ago, non violent, and I'm going
to get it expunged because we've had a couple of
cases where my wife and my son has gone to
Target on the south Side, like near Greenwood, and there
there was a potential child abductions my son and for

(01:00:04):
that to happen and for me to feel like I
can't protect him, it's really getting to me. So I'm
just trying to figure out the next steps of like,
once I get an expunge, how long does that process stage?

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Well, as soon as it's as soon as the FBI
updates your national criminal history, which the state police actually
helps them do, and so it can be pretty darn
quick expungements, pretty quick process, usually within sixty days. Then
they update the national criminal histories and your rights are restored.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Hey, coming up next an update on the Mark Sanchez arrests.
A lawsuit has been filed. More on that in just
a few minutes. It's The Hammer and Nigel Show ninety
three WIBC, Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 15 (01:00:51):
Do you believe these characters are weirdo?

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
That's funny from Nigel the gun guy guy Ralford filling
in for a hammer. Why is it's firearms instructor to
a attorney. So the whole Mark Sanchez thing, uh, getting arrested,
attacking allegedly some guy in an alley driving a truck, stabbings,
blah blah blah blah blah. The guy that he allegedly

(01:01:18):
attacked is now suing Mark Sanchez, who played at USC
was Jets quarterback most famous for his Blooper the butt fumble.
So anyway, so sports, Yeah, and now he's suing Fox
Sports and Mark Sanchez quote, he knew the news giant

(01:01:42):
Fox Sports knew or should have known about Sanchez's unfit
as an employee, propensity for drinking and for harmful conduct.
So the Indie Star they put this out, they put
this story out, but they used the wrongs. They used wrong. Picture.
It's not Mark Sanchez, it's it's their other it's there.

(01:02:03):
It's David Pollock, another football analyst.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Yeah, instead of a football instead of a quarterback from
the USC they they they posted a picture of the
linebacker from Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I think he. I think he played a couple of
years professionally and for the Bengals. And it's just like,
come on, man, come on here. But again, before we
get to Ryan Hendrick, who from the WBC newsroom has
been all over this the the update is the man
allegedly attacked by Mark Sanchez suing Fox Corps, Fox Corb

(01:02:38):
and Sanchez quote new or should have known about his unfitness,
unfitness as an employee, propensity for drinking and or horn
for conduct. We'll get to that. That's kind of your
area here in just a few minutes. Ryan Hendrick from
the w IBC newsroom on the hotline. Nice work on
oncovering this this weekend, Ryan, what like like overall your

(01:03:02):
general view of kind of how this played out and
how people got it wrong, and then we slowly came
to realize that Sanchez was not only the victim but
the aggressor. Kind of just talk about your coverage of
this this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Yeah, guys, thanks so much for having me on. I
hope you can hear me pretty well. I got you
in the Westside. Yeah, trying to pick up my wife
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
But yeah, a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Lot of people have rushed to judgment and wanted to
be first, and you know, under the direction of our
news director, John Herrick, we were able to cover this
story from different locations. We had four reporters working on
this story over the weekend from different locations, communicating through
a tech group chat and using only the facts to

(01:03:50):
report what we knew and then update throughout the day
as the news developed, and the story is still developing today.

Speaker 18 (01:03:57):
In fact, I'm coming from the alley now. I want
to not call it an alley anymore. I want to
be more precise. When I covered this, this was a
street that this happened on. So South o Sage Street
runs north and south between North.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Senate Avenue and West Washington.

Speaker 18 (01:04:17):
That's where this happened. Behind the weston. Now here's what
I did, just to give you guys an example of
the pain and the endurance that Mark Sanchez would have
had to have had if he was stabbed, if and
when he was stabbed in the chest. So from the
point where he was stabbed or thereabouts, is two hundred
and seventy nine feet, which is where the truck driver

(01:04:40):
dropped the oil off.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Okay, that's that's approximately three quarters of a length of
a football field seventy nine yards.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
The truck driver. The truck driver was picking up recycled
oil from restaurant at twelve thirtys correct, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Was not a delivery driver, a a guy that was
doing his job behind the West and charged with picking
up food oil and recycling it, switching it out whatever.
When Sanchez tried to get in his truck and all
this commotion broke loose, so a fight ensued. This guy
stabbed Sanchez, and you could tell by the New York

(01:05:18):
Post photos he was stabbed multiple times in the chest
area because his shirt is just expanding. The blood is evident.
He's bleeding out heavily as he's walking east up West
Washington Street toward the pub where he actually got help,
and I reported that on Saturday on TikTok and then
related to the WIBC news team. But it's pretty crazy

(01:05:41):
to see the length that this guy had to walk
the seventy nine yards Guys, when you were stabbed. So
I called a friend who has been stabbed before and
a bad drug deal ten years ago in Chicago. He
was stabbed about the same area Sanchez was stabbed in
the chest, and he said one of tooth happened that morning.

(01:06:01):
He said Sanchez either the fight or flight kicked in,
or he had so much adrenaline that he didn't even
realize where he was stabbed until he collapsed kind of
at the window at the pub along West Washington Street.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Well, I don't look, I mean, I don't know exactly
what his injuries were except for that he was stabbed.
But I would say I don't think it's a stretch
to say that he's lucky to be alive, for sure.
And so now we have this lawsuit by this guy
that he allegedly attacked. Do we know I'm hearing something

(01:06:38):
about it. He was doing wind sprints or something. Did that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Sanchez is a I don't know exactly what he was doing.
In that on that street.

Speaker 9 (01:06:50):
But whatever he.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Was doing, he was trying to intimidate the sixty.

Speaker 11 (01:06:54):
Nine year old guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I mean, Sanchez was dressed down like he wasn't he
didn't have a suit on or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
It looked like he had jeans, and he's got like
a polo on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, if he was running sprints in the alley, know
what he was practicing for, maybe is a backup wide
receiver because the Raiders could have used him on Sunday. Sure, honestly,
it's it's baffling.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I went to I went to a couple of bars,
Connor's Pub which is attached to the Marriotte in another bar,
to ask him, standez, yeah, no, that's not well, yeah,
that's on Maryland. That's right next to the Marriotte, which
is you know, in that on that street, and then
the Webston's on the other side. But nobody would admit

(01:07:41):
or say if Sanchez was drinking at their pubs or bars,
so I can figure out exactly where he came from.
But charging ducks say he was intoxicated. I don't think
they gave a blood alcohol level. But as somebody with
an addicted pass that can tell you when you blackout, drunk,
all bets are off in every things on the table.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Well, look, Ryan, thank you for your coverage. I appreciate it.
And I know you're in the middle and doing some
stuff with your with your family. Thank you for calling
in and giving us the update there man, And.

Speaker 9 (01:08:16):
Real quick, guys, I've posted an update.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
It's about a three and a half minute video that
I filmed them back in the Western documenting everything I
just told you guys on the radio. If you want
to follow me at TikTok at sure to cover number
two at sure to cover number two on TikTok. Videos
uploaded right now, right on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Ryan, We'll listen for updates on your TikTok and tomorrow
obviously on your news updates.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
Thanks Ryan, Thanks right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Appreciate it all Right, So, what so the alleged victim
suing Mark Sanchez and Fox Corporation now Guy Relford, who
is a background of criminal defense attorney. What what kind
of money could we be talking about here?

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I like, it's pure speculation.
We don't know everything that happened, but I mean now
he's assuming him civilly. Yeah, Sanchez arrested obviously, what kind
of money could we be talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
Well, based on his injuries is the first measure of damages.
So you know, we loaded jury decide it's worth to
you know, have that big gash in your cheek and
and whatever other physical injuries he incuraged nine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Years old and changing out restaurant.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
Oil, right, And the second thing, the second thing is
what kind of lost income is he going to obtain?
And then and then the third major category is pain
and suffering, So not only the physical injuries you incurred
in any permanency of those injuries, but also you know,
just this year, pain and suffering you endured in the process,

(01:09:53):
and a jury can decide to assess that there's also
a potential for punitive damages because when you hurt someone intentionally,
then they can potentially recover from you over and above
what is necessary to compensate, you like with pain and
suffering and the permanent injuries and lost income, but to
actually punish the wrong door and impose what are called

(01:10:14):
putative damages, which can be an excess of your compensatory damages.
So that's what's going to be based on. What's interesting
is in a situation like this where people are fighting
you know, invariably they both claim self defense. Right, we
know the person who's been named as the victim is
being labeled right now as the victim, and the prosecutor's

(01:10:36):
office says, it looks like he acted in self defense.
Just so people know, the way this works is the
statute we passed in twenty nineteen. Now, if you use
lawful force and self defense. So let's just say hypothetically,
and I'm not saying this happen. I'm not saying it's
the way the lawsuit's going to go. But hypothetically, if
let's say Mark Sanchez says, oh, no, no, I'm the

(01:10:57):
victim here. I was the innocent person involved, and I
was acting in self defense when I hurt this guy
because he was trying to stab me. Right, in that case,
not only Sanchez but his employer would both be immune
from liability under the new civil Immunity self protection statue
that we passed in twenty nineteen. And again right now,

(01:11:19):
based on what the police are saying, they think Sanchez
is the guilty party. The other person was acting in
self defense, and I don't presuppose how that's going to
work out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Are we going to hear his statement from Voyles, his
attorney at some point.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
Well, I've attended Colite Continuing Legal Education seminars taught by
Jimmy Boyles, where I was also teaching a different subject,
and he had a whole segment talks that says like,
when the media calls, hang up, and so Jimmy, Jimmy,
I think as a general rule, is going to decline
to try his case in the media. And that's the

(01:11:53):
way good lawyers do it. You want to save your
facts for the for the courtroom and not anger the
judge by trying to assuay the court of public opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
So if it goes this guy's way sevily seven are
we talking seven figures potentially?

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Yeah, probably without some permanent injury. But if he's got
a big old scar across his face, the fact that
he's sixty nine or way against that a little bit.
It's not like, you know, he's a handsome young guy
like you who's now got to carry that scar around
for forty to fifty years. But but it's still Yeah,
it could be a lot of and certainly punitive damage.

(01:12:29):
There's a cap on punitive damages in Indiana. But yeah,
you could potentially reach seven figures altogether.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Sure, Okay, Matt Bear, what's going on with Travick? Listening
to the Hammer and Nichel Show. I just realized the
only thing we haven't done today is talking about the
actual Cults game, that blow out against the Raiders yesterday
at home at Lucas Oil. What is forty to six? Yeah,
something like that, guy Ralford filling in for a Hammer

(01:12:57):
at what pot you were there? At what point did
the Raiders fan and like kind of sheepishly get up
out of their seats and shamefully walk out the door?

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
You know, I had a couple of Raiders fans sitting
near me. I went to the last second and just
got a single seat, and so I had really really
nice seats at a decent price, really nice seat, and
they left pretty much beginning of the fourth quarter. But
what was interesting about that game we were talking about
this off air is the Colts didn't score in the
first quarter and didn't score in the fourth quarter. They

(01:13:26):
scored forty points in two quarters, and so you know,
halfway through the third quarter it started getting piled on
pretty quickly and became pretty apparent.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Could he used like a field goal at some point
by either team? To hit the over, to hit that over.
We'll be speaking with Kevin Bowen from one of seven
to five the Fan here at the bottom of the
hour to get his breakdown of the game and just
what we need to know and what the Colts can
be looking forward to here in the future, because it's

(01:14:00):
they've got it decently easy schedule. I mean, they've got.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
The next four or five games certainly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Yeah, I mean the Steelers are coming up. Yeah, I'm
not gonna fly. I think they're playing the Chargers out
in LA.

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
But still I don't want to get it. You know,
I'm notoriously famous for jinxing any and all sports franchises
and even Hammers bets. I've jinx before.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
By the way, that win yesterday and to be there
in the stadium was satisfying for me because I've seen
the Colts play the Raiders in Oakland before the Vegas
move and that that is a hostile environment. Let me
tell you, I would put that in my top three
or four because I've seen the Colts play in twenty
nine different stadiums, and I'd put that in my top

(01:14:46):
three or four for hostile environment. So I'm not the
kind of person who's gonna abuse any visiting fans. I
just say, hey, welcome to India. I hope we kick
your ass, and that's it. But I got abuse pretty
hard in Oakland, So it was fun for me to
win that one yesterday with not a lot, but some
fair amount of Raider fans good there in attendance.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
I did want to play this audio of the bartender
that helped Mark Sanchez after the incident with the stabbing
and the guy that was driving the truck. He Sanchez
went to a nearby bar for help after already been stabbed.
I'm looking at the New York Post right now. He's
got blood all over his shirt. So here is the
bartender who brought him in. His name's Scott Bennett of

(01:15:30):
lof Miller's Pub.

Speaker 19 (01:15:32):
As I was closing, somebody was minging on the window.
Saw the first needed help, had but on him. He
said that he had been shot, brought him inside, laid
him down, called nine on one, puts howls over entries
that he had. I was trying to talk to him
little bit. It was a little bit trying to get
his name. I couldn't really understand what he was saying.
How do you recognize him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
So he's telling the guy he was shot. Yeah, I
think he was out of his mind, just speculating. Well,
like I mean, if you there's reports that he told
the cops that he like alls. He remembers is grabbing
this guy's window and that's all he remembers.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
Yeah. And by the way, you know, adrenaline and being
physically hurt can have a dramatic impact on your memory.
And one of the reasons we advise people to not
make statements at the scene if they're involved in self
defense incident is because you're gonna screw it up, and
adrenaline does that. Adrenaline and pain certainly can can screw
you up dramatically. I've been through training exercise where we

(01:16:28):
simulate an adrenaline surge as part of a training exercise,
and then we immediately get somebody in your in the
student's face, screaming and neil and questions at him, and
they get everything wrong, everything, So I'm not surprised at all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
One clip here there's a press conference with the prosecutor
and IMPD Chief Bailey earlier today about you know, they
up it to athelony from a misdemeanor and here is
Ryan Meres and why he was actually able to file charges.

Speaker 12 (01:16:58):
There's a supporting proper cause affidavit which was filed with
the court which outlines additional information which we have received
thanks to the effort of IMPD, and that's why we
were able to file the charges.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
And then he needed more. He needed even more details
to file additional charges.

Speaker 12 (01:17:16):
Once we were provided with additional information about the victim's
current medical condition, it became clear to us that additional
charges needed to be filed.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
You want to do moonshine Monday with me Hammer Hammer's
got like a collection back there, and even though he's
not here today, we'll do that at about five forty
five or so. Next we're talking to Kevin Bowen. We're
going to talk about that Colds game and everything and
everything he needed to know about what happened yesterday right

(01:17:48):
after I look at the news in ninety three WBC,
it's the Hammery Nigel Show. My name is Nigel, the
gun guy. Guy Ralford filling in for Hammer. Colts killed
the raiders yesterday forty to six killed me on that
over too. I'm gonna talk to you about that. At
some point we got Kevin Bowen here on the WBC Hotline,
Kevin Bowen from the Fan Morning Show. So much to

(01:18:11):
talk about from yesterday's game, KB, But did you have
Mark Sanchez getting stabbed and then actually being arrested after
the stabbing on your bingo card for this weekend?

Speaker 9 (01:18:22):
I can't say I did. It's it's I guess not funny.
But someone text me on Saturday They're like, hey, man,
you're about ready to see a headline says Mark Sanchez
got stabbed and he's the suspect.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
And I'm like, what, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 9 (01:18:38):
I guess you take the guy out and take the
boy out of USC, but you can't take the USC
out of the boy. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Well, I look, here's my question for you. In your
morning show this morning, what was the audience You take
a lot more phone calls than we do on on
our program. What did the audience want to talk about
more the Indianapolis Colts or the incident with with Mark Sanchez.

Speaker 9 (01:19:03):
Yeah, I mean definitely a little bit of all. I'd say,
you know, give Colts fans credit, give football fans credit.
As salacious of the headline as that is. I think
they wanted to talk about their football team. And honestly,
we're talking about a Colts team that you know is
doing things we haven't seen in quite some time. But
still we had to sprinkle in a little Sanchez definitely
throughout because that story is again it's it's incredible, and honestly,

(01:19:27):
at this point, I just need video of him, yeah,
printing down the alley. I think that's about the only
thing missing from this story.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
So far, so so bizarre. We're covering it here on
our radio station extensively with updates from Guy Ralford, who
is a criminal defense attorney too. So forty to six
I had the over. It was like forty seven and
a half. Who robbed me of those two points? What
play right?

Speaker 11 (01:19:51):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
The Was it the holding call with the special teams
ran it back with the Colts teams? Was that it?
Do you think that was it?

Speaker 9 (01:19:58):
Yeah? That was probably the one, because you know, I
think it was a whole but it wasn't really near
the kick return for the touchdown and Ashton Dooland for
those unfamiliar the story, the guy who were trying to
kick for a touchdown undirected free agent works as you
know what off he was playing for kind of the
knucklehead play from ad Mitchell the week like he deserved
it more than anyone, So I felt off of for.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Him in that Momentugh. Oh man, what big picture were
we looking at yesterday as Colts sands? Was this just
a net? Are the Raiders, you know, another bad just
average bad to bad team or have Have the Colts
fans and the people to pay attention to this missed something?

Speaker 9 (01:20:38):
Well? I think one thing to keep in mind is
certainly the Colts. I think I played one of the
easier schedules in the NFL. But just because in the easy
schedules presented in front of you doesn't mean NFL teams
take advantage of it, nor have the Colts. And I
guess to put a little context around at NIGE, the
Colts have won three games by at least twenty points
this season.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:20:59):
They hadn't won one game by twenty points last year,
the year before that, or the year before that. They
hadn't won a game by twenty points since twenty and
twenty one, and now they've done it three times in
five weeks. So again, I get that these teams are
likely drafting high, but you know teams drafting high with

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bad quarterbacks have beaten the Colts in recent years. So
for you to not only win these games but beat
the you know what out of these teams, that that
tells me something. The NFL seasons a longer eye in
seventeen weeks at a long long time. But still for those saying, ah,
the Colts have an easy schedule, who cares you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Well, who are you worried about? Well, who are you
worried as a Colts fan? Who are we worried about
at this point? Looking ahead on the schedule Arizona.

Speaker 9 (01:21:50):
Yeah, schedule wise, you know, I'll all be curious to Chargers.
You know, another trip out to the West coast. I
know that their offensive lines a little banged up. You know,
you do go to Pittsburgh, I want to say, in
a few weeks, about a month's time. You know, that's
always been a difficult place to play. But you know,
even when the schedule came out in May, it was
definitely more backloaded than front loaded. So once you get

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back from your bye week, you know, you go to
Kansas City, you go to Seattle, you faced Jacksonville, who
tonight is playing for a chance to go four to
one to start the year. So again it is a
little bit more backloaded, but still the Colts are doing
things they haven't done in years and they deserve credit
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Who is the face of this franchise at this point,
I mean, it's it's gotta be Jonathan Taylor, right, but
Daniel Jones is right up there with him, you think, yeah, I.

Speaker 9 (01:22:39):
Mean, Jones is flight out standy. I thought yesterday it
was his best individual play when you rolled out to
his right late in the first half and found Michael
Pittman Jr. In the back of the end zone for
a touchdown. And again, so much credit to you know,
Chris Don and Shane Zyken for going out getting Daniel
Jones and then really believing that, hey, the New York
Giants was a disastrous organization and we're gonna support him better.

(01:23:01):
And if we support him better, we think there's something
there in the former top ten pick. And you know,
there are some resurrection projects around the league that are working.
Baker Mayfield in Tampa it's one of those. Now, there
are some that kind of fizzle out, but right now
and again yesterday was a perfect example of it. No
negative plays, pretty methodical, and you know, it's kind of

(01:23:23):
wild to say. I mean the Colts are down three
nothing early in the second quarter, and then you'll blink
and they score forty points in the second and the
third quarter. I mean, it was amazing how quickly that
game changed.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
What happened. We're speaking with Kevin Bowen from one O
seven five the fan. What happened with Spencer Schrader man
that that was a bummer? The the kicker. What's the status?

Speaker 9 (01:23:48):
Yeah, so it sounds like a really serious knee injury
for him on unfortunately, Yeah, that was awful. You know,
I clearly looked bad, and so you know, it looks
like that's gonna impact him and a significant manner. So
the Colts are gonna have to do the old kicker
tryouts this week and we will see exactly who their
new place kicker will be. I I thought it was

(01:24:09):
a hair dirty. I don't know if there's, like, you know,
rule book evidence that could lead to that. I get
guys that, you know, laying out for these block kicks,
and sometimes that's part of it. But you know, it
just felt like with the Raiders getting one block against them,
the weak crier the Colts had blocked the punt for them.
You know earlier in that second quarter. I just thought
it was a little bit you know, crossing the line.

(01:24:31):
But yeah, hopefully a full recovery for him, because he was,
you know, having a really nice start. He's a local guy,
you know, lived in Westfields Are a large portion of
his childhood and spent his final collegiate year.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Up at Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
And and then could you have explained to me they
they couldn't find a backup kicker Sanchez or whoever, Like
they kept on throwing the extra points every time there
was nobody that could kick in extra point.

Speaker 9 (01:25:02):
Yeah, I thought that was a little odd, to be
honest with you. Yeah, so I get there, like teams
don't carry a backup kicker, Like you're only allowed to
dress forty six guys on game day. Like I totally
understand that. But the odd part was, like I thought
it was potentially a good opportunity to let Riga Rito Sanchez,

(01:25:22):
you know, kick an extra point. Yeah, he did kick
in college. And like, just in case one of those
situations arises during the game, boom, you've at least worked
on the operation, because weirdly, the Colts long snapper would
have become their holder in that situation. That's that's kind
of the oddity and how they change it up. But

(01:25:45):
so Luke Rhodes would have become their holder through ogle
tree at backup tight End would have become their long snapper.
So Shane's second just kept on over two point version.
After two point of version, I'm like, well, you're up
by a million, why not just kick the extra points
for these guys at least a game rep. But you know,
Shane elected otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
He and then finally, because it's funny, we're just talking
about kickers and Mark Sanchez are really talking about the
game just because it was a blowout. But hey, I
saw because I had a bunch of friends over yesterday
drinking some beers, and as you know, as the game progressed,
we just kind of lost interest. Did I see Anthony
Richardson in the game at one point? And how'd he do?

Speaker 9 (01:26:23):
Indeed, Anthony Richardson, he threw a pass that he caught himself.
The ball was batted up in the air, part he
showed his tremendous athleticism and hauled in the catch and
really did a nice job of gaining some yards after
the catch. It was really a very impressive feat and
then later which doesn't shock anyone. Ady Mitchell was also
in the game, and Anthony Richardson threw a ball twenty

(01:26:44):
yards over the head of Ady Mitchell. So miscommunication with
those two we were used to last season. Really miss
communication between Joe Flacco and Adie Mitchell, we were used
to last seed. And so yeah, he played the final
eleven minutes, which, again, like NFL games notedge. You just
don't blowouts like that where your backup quarterback, you know,
is treated like a walk on, you know, And that's

(01:27:05):
like pretty much how the Colt Street a Anthony and
Richardson and really a lot of their frontline starters.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Yesterday and a brother couldn't get an extra two points somewhere,
not a field goal, not a touchdown with like you said,
eleven minutes left, I couldn't, Oh, a man, that killed
my parlay. So what real quick? I know the Pacers
had their fan jam thing over the weekend. What's the

(01:27:30):
schedule in terms of preseason and just just your quick
overall thoughts of what we could expect from the Pacers
this season.

Speaker 9 (01:27:39):
Yeah, so, actually over a Pacers practice earlier today. They
are off to Minnesota for their preseason opener, so that
is tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:27:47):
They'll play four preseason games here and then their regular
season opener will be against the Thunder ironically, and that
will be two weeks from Thursday. So I want to
say that's the twenty third of October. That will be
when things officially get underway.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
So yeah, there you go.

Speaker 9 (01:28:05):
It's kind of crazy that it's back to being here.
You saw some Pacers staffers getting right ahead of the
airport and they're like, here we go again. You know,
it just seems like last von just do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
So what's going on on the show tomorrow? So we
will have.

Speaker 9 (01:28:20):
Ashton Dolon I mentioned to him earlier. We played that
like in the nine o'clock hour today. I know our
morning commute audience can vary, so for those on the
seven o'clock commute time, I will play that around seven thirty.
Really great story about again an undrafted free agent from Malone.
They don't even play football at Malone anymore at the
school in Ohio, and he's carved out just in this

(01:28:42):
great role with the Colts. So we'll play that coming
up at Sevendy and then starting to look ahead to
a huge one for Kurt Signetty I you at Oregon
College game Day, will be there top back up Saturday afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Wow, there you go. Kevin Bowen from one O seven
five the fan, Thank you so much, sir. Have a
great week, you bet and I take trabb it. It's
a Hammer and Nigel show to a sample place and
time when we used to cheat land the moon check.
A guy Ralford shows up for moonshine Monday beer sample Friday.

(01:29:18):
It doesn't get any better than this, does it? Brother?

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
Yeah? Coincidence.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I don't think we had. First of all, our listeners
are the best Hammer and Nigel listeners specifically are the best.
We had an anonymous a listener who wished to remain
anonymous because well, this moonshine's illegal, so there's that. But
he gave us a whole bunch, so a whole bunch

(01:29:42):
of different flavors, and we're gonna test some right now.
So you want to are you game? Past the Mason
jar over to you and just tell the audience what
about what we're about to taste?

Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
Oh, pineapple, upside down cake, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Moon, don't let that. Don't let that fool you, because
it definitely you're definitely gonna. I can guarantee, judging by
the past, we did apple Pie, we did peach. Just
because it says pineapple upside down cake doesn't mean there
ain't no moon shine in it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
I think we had apple Pie not too long ago,
is that right? Or maybe that was just in Hammer's office,
that office after the show, but it was pretty damn good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
So thank you to our rat is. I think he's
a radical Hammer Nigel fan. We've got several more of these,
So cheers to moonshine Monday.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
Absolutely, you know that is just right. That's the right
combination of of of sweetness.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
And it's got a kick it. Can you tell there's
a little kick to it. Speaking of kick, I was
so disappointed that the Colts kicker is out for the
seas and a Notre Dame kid. Yeah, I went to
Westfield for a while. Yeah, man, what a disappointment. He
was having a hell of a season, wasn't he.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
I was at that game yesterday. I happened right in
front of me, and you know, at first he saw
the flag go up and he said, all right, penalty, Uh,
you know, we'll get something out of this. Yeah, and
then realized he's hurt and that's when it all went down.
And then what was really interesting they have you know
that Rigberto Sanchez is their backup kicker, right, but they

(01:31:29):
don't have a backup holder.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Like long snapper. It would have been a whole calamity
of the things.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
Well, you're right, I mean the long snapper could be
the holder, but then they got to find another long snapper,
and the whole thing was just kind of a parade
of errors had.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
And then Anthony Richardson we were talking about that with
Kevin Bowen just a minute ago. I thought it was
it was kind of cool fun to see him in
there for like eleven minutes, you know, and overthrowing guys
by twenty yards.

Speaker 5 (01:31:56):
Yeah, on the long ball, he clearly did. But you know,
people were making one of him because they said he'll
even intercept his own.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Path, and he did, and he caught his own path.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
You know what, though, I'll give him, I'll give him
big credit for that play because he caught it out
of mid air after it was batted up by a
defensive lineman. He caught it and then he plowed over
about ten dudes. He got a first down out of it.
So I mean, I I thought it showed some athleticism
and I was cheering for him. I'm I'm not an
ar hater like a lot of folks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
More of the Hammer of Nigel show coming out after
six o'clock