Episode #2051- Hammer and Nigel Full Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you believe these characters are WEIRDO?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
My name is Nigel Chase Cinnehammer is out, the gun guy,
Guy Relford is in. Guy Ralford had quite the interesting evening,
to say the least. We will get to that coming
up in Monday Gun Day. I'm sorry you go through so.
I don't know how you put up with some of
the crap that you do, Guy, But the story you

(00:28):
have to tell during Monday gun Day is it's just
I'm shaking my head so annoying.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
But what we'll get to it, as you said. But
I also I'm not going to blow it out of
proportionate agab right on, right on.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
The old man went and did it. He did it.
Governor Braun planning to call lawmakers back to the state
House next month to redraw Indiana's congressional districts and address
the secondary the state and federal tax compliance is you
but I think it's Monday. They're calling the session for

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redistricting November third. Governor Brown, earlier this morning on social media, quote,
I am calling a special legislative session to protect Hoosiers
from efforts in other states that seek to diminish their
voice in Washington and ensure their representation in Congress is fair.
So look, man, I've been on the fence about this,

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like I'm not anti redistricting, kind of like Rob Kendall is.
But on the other hand, look, if the goal is
a Republican nomination guy, or at least to give the
left as little voice as possible, then this is the
right call, is it not. I mean people's going to
say it's purely politically motivated, but yeah, it's politics. This

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is what this is.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, let's take a quick step back though, calling the
special sessions? Would you have won the vote on that,
on whether Governor Brown was going to call the special
session or not?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, he was in here the last time he was
in here, I believe was last week, and he seemed
pretty confident that he was going to a call the
special session and b that he had the votes.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Okay, So so this did not come as a surprise
to you when he called this.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
It didn't come as a surprise to me only because
of his attitude and demeanor when we were talking to
him about face to face in studio.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Right right here on hammer in Nigel. Okay, Well, and
so now that now that it's called. Then your next question, uh,
I think it is the most important one, which is
this really a good thing or a bad Is this
a good thing or a long or a bad thing
long term for Hoosiers. I think that that becomes a
really interesting question.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well, look, if you if you think honest representation is
what's right, this seems a little unethical, even though they
have every right, every right to do it, and other
states have done it, and California is going to do
it and counter and and and just look, the thing is,
they didn't call a special session for property tax. They

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didn't call you know, all other things, all sorts of
things that they could be concentrating on right now. But
there does go back to the votes for a second.
There does seem to be questions as to whether or
not they have the votes. So, but why would Braun
call a special session if he didn't have the votes
to redistrict? That's the question you have to break down
and analyze.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, I think the answer I have an answer for it.
I don't know if it's a correct one or not,
but theorizing my answer would be that this gets Washington
office back and you know, he doesn't have to take
calls from the Vice president, and the more, you know,
more visits from the Vice president, the calls from Trump,
you know, more calls for who's your lawmakers to come
sit down and get lobbied. In Washington, he can say, hey,

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I called a special session. Now you got to go
talk to those guys in the General Assembly because they
didn't vote for it.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, but then that's a risky call too, because Donald
Trump could just call him back, or people that are
are in positions of power could look at Braun and say, look,
you can't lead lead these guys. You didn't get the votes.
What are you talking about. You called it special session,
but you didn't get the vote. So it's not a
matter of Bronze saying, hey, look I called the special session.

(04:09):
I wipe you know, I'm ponscious pilot. I boy, wipe
my hands clean of this. I washed my hands clean.
You know, we tried to get the votes. We didn't
have him. But then he kind of looks like a
feckless leader at that point, because you know, when you
don't call a special session on property taxes because you
don't have the votes, and then the same thing, and
then the risk of the same thing happens with redistricting.

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It's boy, it's a different ballgame. Man. Politics is weird.
It is now.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
There's one difference in there, which is that the legislature
voted on property tax, so they had to put their
name yeay or nay, up or down on which side
of the property tax issue they were going to vote on,
and then it was a matter of whether you were
going to veto it and make them vote a second time.
Here that individual legislators, a lot of them have expressed
opinions on social media or publicly or to other forms

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of media, but a lot of them have and taking
a position. And what this does is it forces them
to take a position they're going to have to be
responsible for, not only politically, including to Washington where they're
getting pressure and you know, threats to have them primaried
and that type thing, but also more importantly to their constituents.
But to me, it boils down. It's really a pretty
simple analysis. It really it's not complicated. Do you fall

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on the side of well, it may not be right,
but we have to fight fire with fire because the
Democrats do it, I believe that, or do you fall
on the other side, which is is just not really right,
and we ought to fairly allow districts to represent and
the people that live in those districts politically and not
try to manipulate them for political means. But it's you're

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in the either in the fight fire with fire camp,
or you're it's not really the right thing to do camp.
And and I think logical people can follow on either
side of that line.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
And I really can't imagine Braun would call that special
session if he knew if he doesn't have the votes yet,
then you know, the leadership of the Senate is going
to say to the other squishes in there that are
you know, look, man, this is basically a way to
pressure reps that are on the fence. Yeah. Right, if
you want a future with this party, you better step

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in line and vote how we want. Then if it passes,
then Braun's leadership saves the day.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Well, And it's a great point, notge And it's something
I learned in the ten year fight for constitutional carry,
which is getting a vote is the battle. And when
we finally got a vote, it passed by a significant margin.
The problem is a lot of people behind closed doors
were not for it, and we're willing to let it
die without a vote. In fact, went through all kinds

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of different manipulations to make it die without a vote.
But when finally called upon to stand up and be
accountable and vote on the record again for which they
will have to now be responsible to their constituents, all
of a sudden, now they're voting for it. So things say, oh, yeah,
I support the Second Amendment. Behind closed doors, they were
a hell of a lot weaker on the issue. So

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forcing a vote sometimes is the primary is the primary
means to achieve your objective, because people will be cowards
in private, but stand up and do the right thing
in public, depending of course, on how you define the
right thing.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Some of the atmosphere at Lucas Oil yesterday you were
at that Coltscape faults with the beatdown of the Titans
thirty eight to fourteen. What did you think had you feel?
What was the mood, the tone, the tenor the what
was what were the fans like?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, you know, I've been going to Colts game since
they moved here in nineteen eighty four. You know, I
was part of the original team that helped get him here,
and so I've been there a lot and it's been
a while it's been a while since the mood. The
feeling in Lucas Oil Stadium was of confidence, you know,

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just that kind of you know, we ought to win
this kind of a thing. A lot of times, you know,
people are walking in there kind of with their heads down,
are not sure what's going to happen, and even against
teams that you really feel like you should win against.
I mean, had the Colts over the years, I mean,
how many you know, backup quarterbacks have come in and
passed for four and fifty yards and five touchdowns And
we've just seen that over and over again. Here you're
going against number one draft pick rookie quarterback. They got

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one win going into that game. But in days of old,
you'd be walking in there going now, I don't really
know what's gonna happen here, and you really expected the
Colts to win by two or three touchdowns. And that's
exactly what happened. And it was fun to have that
that gear of confidence back in Lucy Lucas Oil Stadium.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Is this eight touchdown run from letting back Jonathan Taylor
under center Jones. On first down, they give it to
Taylor left side. He's at the twenty twenty five, thirty
thirty five down the sideline, forty fifty yard line, still
going tight ruping the sideline.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Who's got a chance?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Ten touchdown?

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Tarlathan Taylor takes it eighty yards to the house.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Tight rumping that left sideline no problem for the great
running back. I believe it was after that the fans
were chanting MVP, Yes, MVP. I was staying up screaming
MVP right here with them. It was fun. Jonathan Taylor
as of the game on the MVP chands, I mean,
that's what we need.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
We feed off of the fans, especially playing at home,
so for us to come out firing on all cylinders,
it's it's really a testament to the work that we
put in and we're just glad that the fans are
here for it. They're engaged and makes it a tough
environment for the opposing team.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Pumpkins, candy, costumes, Halloween stuff. I'm Nigel Guy Ralford, the
gun guy in for a hammer real quick. I just
want to hammer is the one that sent this to me.
One of my favorite things is TV bloopers. TV anchor,
you know news news bloopers. Here's a news anchor that

(09:41):
can't stop laughing talking about sour Halloween suckers. Hmmm, that
sounds awful.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I do not I feel for the people's second that
all right, thanks Hanks.

Speaker 6 (09:54):
If you like.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
All right, if you'd like a holiday kiss, you might
want to.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Drug.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Story's a story. I'm sorry. I do not feel for
the people's suck in that. I do not feel for
the people's like in that. I do not I feel
for the people's suck in that. Oh the best? I mean,
Live TV is such a different animal. You've done it before. Yeah,
and radio is one thing. But when you just when
you get a case of the giggles, you can't stop laughing.
It's happened to me before on this show. Yeah, either

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a collar or hammer or Allison has me rolling. I
just I can't move forward. Are you, by the way,
are you somebody that turns his light on on Halloween?
Guy Relford, mister Zionsvill turns it off, turns it on?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh on?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
I'm all about trick or treaters.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I dress up, do you really? Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I dress up something big and scary and and and
I've been like a psycho demon biker before and I oh,
I put masks. In fact, I get dressed up and
go riding. Right if the weather allows, I go riding
around my Harley. I'll send you a picture. In fact,
I'll post on Hammer Nigel on Twitter. I'll post a
picture of me on the Harley. And uh, you ever

(11:08):
seen the movie ghost Writer? I dress kind of s's
an awful movie. But I know, I know you, but
I mean I have like a skull mask and a
biker jacket and chaps and whole thing. And when the
kids just start trick or treating, I go through the
neighborhood and I go really really slow past them, and
the you know, the.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Harley's into it.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I like to stare at these kids, like, you know,
going three miles an hour and just stare at them,
and they all get into it. It's they'll follow me
to my house to come up the doorbell.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Fantastic. I love Halloween. I gets a blasted. The fact
that it's on a Friday this year just is over
the top. It's like like the neighborhood. I don't know
about you, There are lots of lots of little kids
in our neighborhood and it's just a ton of fun.
Oh yeah, you know, I think my daughter is going
as Mary Ann Twinette and she's gonna oh fun. Didn't

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she get her She's the one that got her head
chopped right let them meet you to.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Carry her head around with her under, I think.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
We've got to find a way to at least put
like a giant scar around her neck. Now, some adults
are claiming that trick or treating is officially dead. Oh
come on, and it's been replaced by something called trunk
or treating. Here is somebody talking about it on social media.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
So the other day I was asking my cousin.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
I'm like, what are you going to be for Halloween?
And he said something like I'm gonna be a bat.
But anyways, I'm like, oh, that's cool. What are you
excited for trick or treating? He then kind of scoffs
at me. He's like, no one goes trick or treating anymore.
He's like, it's trunk or treat, not trick or treat.
I said, no, trick or treating, like you go to
people's houses. He's like, no, we do trunk or treat.
Apparently it's lane to trick or treat now, and it's
cool to trunk or treat when you just go to

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people's trunks. I guess I don't even know how that works.
And apparently if you like trick or treating, now you're lane, No, have.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
You ever heard of that? You know what I've heard
of trunk or treat in the sense that like churches
will have will kind of toe the line. They don't know,
you know, some of the churches don't really you know,
do the Halloween thing, but they will do a trunk
or treat festival in their parking lot. It was kind
of like so it's kind of like COVID in twenty

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twenty where instead of coming up and knocking on the door,
you just set up shop at the end of your
driveway and the kids could come by and just pick
up candy, which actually turned out to be pretty efficient.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, but it's efficient. But the goal of Halloween is
not just to disperse candy efficiently to a bunch of kids.
It's also to meet your neighbors, you know, you know,
and I mean you know, our neighbors go out and
have a cocktail and they're walking around, come up and
you know, and it's a socialization event. It's not just
to go to most efficient means of distributing candy to

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a bunch of kids. That makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I may have been over analyzing. It's just a tad there.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
But I have a question for you. I saw a
social media question posted. It was on the Carmel Chatter
facebook page, and I asked my wife about this because
the question was, we're fair new to the Caramel area
and we want to know the best neighborhood to take
our kids to. We want to we want to take
them to that neighborhood, let them trick or treat in

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that neighborhood. And people started commenting on well, so in
such a neighborhood they have like the best candy and
they give out full sized candy bars. And I did
not respond because I didn't want to be that old jerk,
angry guy, but because I started to respond by going,
well you trick or treat in your own damn neighborhood.
I mean, what do you mean, what neighborhood do you
take your kids to?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm in a rural country road or something. Well that idea,
maybe that's what she was getting at.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well, yeah, okay, but I mean what do you do
you react to that? Because there are times when in
my neighbor and I don't have live in a big,
fancy neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Despite now a gated community. I thought, yeah, Jefferson Trees
campaign called me that, right. Well, you know, I do
not live in a gated community. I live in, you know,
a decent middle neighborhood. But you know, if I see
some you know, van pull up and eighty seven kids
pile out of it, that kind of I'm gonna to
give them candy. I'm not going to be scrooge about

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it to give him a stink iyoi.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I just kind of think, well, what's the reason why
you're not And you answered the question, well, maybe they're
in a rural area where there are no other you know,
there's one house within two miles. Okay, I get it,
But to just truck into some other neighborhood that always
kind of strikes me as a bit off.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Let's go to the last clip here, Alison, with all
the Halloween parties coming up, you certainly wouldn't want to
offend anybody. I know my daughter's costume might offend some
people with an over the top costume, So to make
sure that doesn't happen. Uh, there is a there's a
new place in town you can go. Welcome to Woke

(15:42):
World Halloween Superstore. No, I thought this was a spirit Halloween. Yeah,
we make it look that way. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (15:48):
I want to get a ghost costume that does disrespect
the dead.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
All right, never mind? What about a werewolf?

Speaker 7 (15:54):
Kind of offensive to people with abnormal hair growth?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Evil clown?

Speaker 7 (15:58):
I think of the people with mental issues a Mario
brother ethnic stereotype match skeleton eating disorders.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Forget it. I'll just wear a white T shirt. Maybe
just go with black. It incorporates all the colors. Oh brother, Hey,
thanks for coming to One World. Oh there you go.
It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.

Speaker 9 (16:18):
The only way to back a classy lady is to
give her two tickets to the gun show.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Monday Gun Day with the gun just watch up with
the guns.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
They'll get it.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Guy, stop calling your arms.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
Gun got Ralpherd filling in for Hammer on Nigel.

Speaker 10 (16:35):
Guy.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Ralford to a attorney license fire arms instructor. How are
you man?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
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Speaker 1 (16:56):
Beautiful day yesterday it was you and your wife had
tickets to the Colts game. Yep, get downtown. Did you
have did you go to lunch? Did you get a
drink beforehand?

Speaker 10 (17:03):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Absolutely, man, we had. Uh we went to Harry and Izzy.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, and staple for my wife and I when we
go before Cults game. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
And I usually get the file At sliders, but I
branched out and not. Their steak burger was the best.
Oh I know, but I've never had the burger that's
steak burger. Oh, but my wife talked me into that
because she says.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Is it like a smash burger kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's a juicy burger and and it tastes like steak.
Maybe you tell they make it out of really nice
cuts of meat. And but no, Harry and Iszies, Man,
those fill At sliders are still on my death row meal.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
We've talked about that before.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
So you go to the game. Yeah, A tremendous day
for a game. Beautiful, beautiful day for a cults. I
think they should have had the roof open, but that's
just me. So you get home, you're relaxing, you get
into bed, you're watching football. I do this with my wife.
I get into bed to watch TV. No shame in that,
you know, not at all. It's hard, a little harder
to do with kids and a little five month old puppy. Yeah,

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you get a ring at your doorbell and I'll let
you take it from there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, like you said, we had a great evening and
watched the Colts win and and hung out downtown a
little bit and got home and yeah, I get a
notification there's someone at my front door. And right then
the doorbell rings, and so I look at the camera
on the ring doorbell, and there are two signs, well,
police officers on my doorstep, on my front porch. And

(18:26):
you know I have adult kids. I mean, you know
police officers come into your house at nine thirty at night. Yeah, yeah,
you don't know what they're going to say. And so
I go out there and it turned out to be
two great guys, a sergeant a patrolman from ZPD and
and the reason they were there though, is they'd gotten
a call from Carmel Police Department because there was another

(18:49):
bomb thread at my office in Carmel. It's just bizarre
to me on a Sunday night and nobody there. I mean,
the tattoo shop that's right next to me is closed down,
the California Claw on the other side of me is clothes.
There's nobody in the building. And so didn't there was.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
A mouth threat. And you didn't know up until that
point at the Cold's game or at your house that
there had been a indeed a bomb thread.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
No, And in fact, I was kind of, you know,
out of contact with social media and whatnot because I
wasn't paying attention. I had my phone in my pocket
and we'd been to the game and having a great
conversation with my wife. I had looked at my phone.
Turns out Carmel PD had called me just to say, hey,
we had a a U A nine to one one
call with a bomb thread at your office and we
couldn't get a hold of you.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
So were office specifically, Yeah, the guy.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Mentioned my office. He said, I'm outside the law office
of Guy Ralford and Carmel and I've planted a bomb
and I'm going to blow this building up and Carmel
BD tried to call me and I'd answered the phone.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Just because I didn't know. It doesn't show up at
Carmel PD, right.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, well no, it just showed up as a three
one seven number.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
And so then after I talked to ZPD, and those
guys were really great. I mean they were literally there
just to make sure I was okay. So they showed
up up later that night at your doorstep. Yeah, you
still not knowing that there had been a bomb threat
at your law office is at Carmel and ZPD just
checking on you. So then I went listened to the
message from the CPD officer was lieutenant from CPD, and

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then listened to his message, and then called him and
he gave me some more detail and they and and
then I went out on social media and I saw
where it had been posted some of the people around
these scanner sites that you know, listened to the scanner. Yeah,
and Carmel. I mean they kept down the street, didn't they. Yeah,
they closed down a couple of blocks in every direction.
They had the fire department out there. They brought the
dog out and swept the building with a bomb sniffing dog.

(20:36):
I mean they were you know, as.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
About what time was the bomb threat?

Speaker 3 (20:39):
You know, the bomb threat was I apparently seven ish
and then you finally sent ZBD to my house. It
was about nine to fifteen when those guys pulled up.
And this is my second bomb threat. I had one
in twenty twenty one, so you know, and listen, I
don't take this as any kind of real threat. I
think it's just some idiot with a phone. Really sure

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why they're targeting my law office.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
It doesn't make any sense to this second one second one, yeah,
twenty one and uh, but do I think there's really
someone intent on, you know, planting a bomb or doing
anything else violent.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
No, it's some coward with a phone. And so and
when the officers even said, well, you don't seem particularly concerned,
and I said, well no, I mean these are someone
trying to quote unquote terrorize you. You're only terrorized if
you choose to allow them to terrorize you. And I'm like, no,
to hell with these people. They're not doing anything. They're
just an idiot with a phone.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
They called that, did they call the cops? Then?

Speaker 7 (21:35):
One?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Okay, so they could. So the whoever called in a
bomb threat called nine one one were they able to
trace it? Do they have any idea where it came from? Now?

Speaker 3 (21:43):
They couldn't get anything from the phone call, and right
now don't they. Yeah, when the call from twenty twenty
one said Kansas call, that's just what I said. It
came from somewhere in Kansas.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I could be calling a calling from it anywhere in
the world with it.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I mean, yeah, you get those, you get those spam
calls that are supposedly from science or car and obviously
from India or India exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
So who knows.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I mean, I think it's getting harder and harder for
law enforcement to tract phone calls. But they didn't have
any apparent leads. But yeah, it was all news to
me until I'm I'm getting ready to hunker down watch
some Sunday night football and next thing you know, zpd's
ringing my doorbell.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
God bless the ZPD.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh yeah, for thanks to all those and Carmel too.
I mean, they all just did a great job.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
But so, there's a there's a camera, is it? There's
some sort of Google Earth camera in the middle of
the intersection where your office is located at. And then
the theory the working theory for that first bomb threat
on your offices in twenty twenty one was that somebody
could access that camera and just call from anywhere in

(22:45):
the world. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
I think that's what it is. I think you nailed it, Nie,
what it is. It's if people can look it up.
It's earthcam dot com, earth cam, Yeah, it's his own.
It's not Yeah, it's not. It's not associated with Google,
I don't think. But it's earthcam dot com. You can
go there and just search for Karla, Indiana. And when
you do that, you bring up this camera and they
may have changed the angle of the camera, but it
used to be when you brought it up. My sign

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that is mounted on the front of the building where
my office is there at one South Range line says
law Office of Guy Ralford, right in the foreground of
the camera when you bring it up at earthcam dot com.
And I really think it was somebody who knows it
could be in Russia, Zimbobwa or where it can or Lebanon. Yeah,
but I think I think they get it. They get

(23:28):
their jolly's out of phoning in something like this and
then watching the first responders show up and block off
the building and bring in the fire department and they
get they sit there and giggle like a bunch of
you know, teenage girls.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
You're telling me the cops can't trace that call from
nine to one to one, or they hadn't at that point.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
I've not heard them being able to successfully trace anything
from twenty twenty one, and I don't know that I
have much hope they're going to do it this time either.
And that's not an insult. No, no, no, the cops,
I understand. I just think it's where we are with
technology these days.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
My name is Nigel Guy Ralford. Here, it's Monday, gun Day.
I did want to ask you about this interview that
I heard you conduct on Saturday during your show, The
Dumb Guy Show, which is on here Saturday's night. Is
it five to seven five or seven five to seven
right here in ninety three WIBC. Who before we play
this clip, who is Barry Todd and why were you

(24:20):
talking to him? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Barry Todd is a guy about my age. Long military career,
retired after twenty one years as an army ranger, then
built a very successful financial advisory firm and registered to
do business all over the country, opened multiple offices all
over the country. Then one night was out with his
wife just for a fun evening, having some cocktails, singing karaoke.

(24:44):
Some drunk, belligerent, big, huge guy starts making advances on
on Barry's wife and at one point Barry leave just
go out to his car, actually to get some Copenhagen.
He's trying to come back in the bar to rejoin
his wife and this big drunk guy won't let him
in the bar, and and he's like, what are you doing.
I'm going back to c wife, I think. He goes, no,
she's mine. Man, using some more color colorful language, is

(25:06):
an Arizona man, Yuma, Arizona. And they get into a scuffle,
and Barry had a gun, and they get into it
with this big guy who physically attacks him, broke his arm.
By the way, broke Barry Todd's arm. He fights back
with it, eventually has his gun, gun goes off. The

(25:27):
other guy goes to the hospital. He survives. But it's
a clear case of self defense, you would think, after
Barry's attacking this in a drunk a hole. Yes, totally completely, but.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Not not that that's an excuse to use a firearm.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
But the whole thing's on video, which clearly substantiates self defense. Nonetheless,
Barry Todd is prosecuted. He's prosecuted for attempted murder and
two counts of aggravated battery. He goes through several years,
hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal expense
and expert witness expense and an investigator expense, and eventually

(26:05):
gets this thing dismissed. But he wrote a book and
it's called standrew Ground, One Man's Self Defense Nightmare, and
he talks about how even when you're right, because of
an aggressive prosecutor who clearly was ignoring the law of
self defense in Arizona, they can absolutely destroy your life
even when you're innocent. And it's such a powerful message

(26:25):
and an important one, and it's very consistent with what
I teach in my classes all the time and have
for thirty years, of how you don't want to get
caught up in one of these if you can avoid it,
because the system can just eat you up where they
accuse you of crimes that you really didn't come.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
My blood was boiling listening to it. It really pisss
you off. Whoever this prosecutor was, I'm sure has the
same agenda as of Ryan Meters type a prosecutor in
terms of guns and how.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
In the world.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
What I wanted to know, what I wanted to call
in and ask is like, you have the video, what
more do you need to know?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well, get this they submitted. The prosecutor submits it to
a grand jury, and their job is to decide whether
there's probable cause to prosecute him for a crime. Right,
he submits it to a grand jury, argues about how
he committed the crimes of attempted murder an aggravated battery.
Never shows the grand jury the video of the actual

(27:26):
incident itself doesn't show him the video, and the jury
finds probable cause, having just heard one side of the
story and not having even seen the video of the event,
much less the video from inside the bar that shows
this guy being aggressive and basically following Barry around the
bar and bothering his wife and just instigating things from

(27:47):
the get go doesn't show the grand jury any of this.
The grand jury, not having seen all the relevant evidence,
finds probable cause. And now he's in the system.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Man.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Now he's paying lawyers, paying investigators, paying expert witnesses and
costing an unbelievable amount of money.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Is that what this clip is talking about some of
the costs, some of the costs, but also some of
the lessons he learned.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
The amount of dollars that we spent on this is astronomical.
And the lessons I learned. Number One, know the laws
in the state where you're carrying. And my wife and
I were licensed in about forty one states. And as
soon as you cross there, get an app on your phone,
so you know it. Number two, carry the insurance, carry

(28:31):
good self defense insurance. Number three, don't talk to the police.
Don't give it to them. I don't think it really
hurt me. But then again, just follow what the lawyers
tell you. You don't say nothing without your lawyer there. And
then number four, and this is the most important. Remember
the attorneys, the private eyes, the expert witnesses. They work

(28:57):
for you, all right, you're the one and write in
the check no matter they're going to give you their
opinion that you do not always have to take it.
And you have to check their work and hold them accountable.
And if they have a problem with that, then you
probably need to fire them in the first place.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Where could go. Where could people? First of all, listen
to this interview. And he wrote a book, right, He wrote.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
A bo called Standard Ground One Man's Self Defense Nightmare.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
But you got to go back and listen to this
interview you did with this guy. It's a good interview.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
It's posted on my page on WIBC. You go to WBC,
go to shows. Then the Gun Guy.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
It'll be that.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
We actually broke out his interview as a separate podcast.
You don't have to listen to the whole show if
you don't want to, or the whole show's there if
you want to listen to that too, But the Barry
Todd interview we broke out separately. And then also you
can go if you're interested in buying his book. I
have no financial interest in this other than I read
the book and it's fascinating as somebody who carries a
gun every day. Is a must read, and it's called

(29:55):
Standardground Book dot com. You can go there or it's
on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Hammer and night Tel you believe it.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
The characters are WEIRDO.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Mine him is Nigel, Jason Hammer is out, The Gun
Guy Guy, Ralford is in. Well he did it. Governor
Brown calling a special session, I believe at the beginning
of November, November three for redistricting on the hotline right
now to discuss his passion for this topic. So passionate

(30:26):
he didn't even show up to work today, but he's
still calling in Rob Kendall from The Kendall and Casey Show. Rob,
I've heard arguments for redistricting. I've heard your passionate arguments
against redistricting. Can we just start like a quick reset
of what that even means and what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, first of all, my passion against this is the
Republicans lie and fail all the time, and if you
give them these new maps without them having to earn
a lots, they will just keep governing poorly. It's just
like your kid, right if your kid misbehaves, you have
to discipline them. If you just keep giving them stuff,

(31:09):
they're going to keep misbehaving. And what the Republicans are
saying is, look, we can't win the first congressional district
fairly because we govern so poorly both at a state
and federal level that people don't believe in us and
don't want to vote for us and put us in
power or keep us in power, or give us this seat.
So what we'll do is we'll just alter the map

(31:29):
so we get it anyway. What incentive do the Republicans
have to follow through and keep their promises to people
if they can just change the rules of the game
in the middle of the process.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
What about the argument? And here is what I keep hearing,
fighting fire with fire, fight back the Democrats do the
same thing. We need to get down in the dirt here.
What about that argument?

Speaker 2 (31:52):
So my question would be fight back against what? Because
we keep hearing Braun and Micah and these people in
the general simple talking about Massachusetts. Massachusets Jesus, I'm yet
to see a single person who can draw me a
quote unquote fair map that shows these Republican seats in Massachusetts.
The best you can do. I have a friend who's
very good at this and believes the Indiana maps are

(32:13):
fair seventy two and he's a pretty former newspaper writer
up in northern Indiana. He tried to do this and
the best he could create was want one swing district
like the best he could do in the under the
best of circumstances. See these people flap their guns about unfairness,
and for that I saw people put it well. In
the northeastern part of the country, Vermont has one representative.

(32:34):
Are you saying that person should be a Republican. Rhode
Island has two. Are you saying, based on the makeup
of their state, that those people should one of those
people should be Republican. The argument is ridiculous. All of
these states Jerry manner. Indiana is already Jerry mannered. Our
state is sixty forty based on the presidential election Republican.
Seventy eight percent of our seats in Congress are Republican.

(32:57):
We've already tilted the map in favor of all this
whining about Andre Carson, Oh Mary and Teddy Day County, Nigel.
They just rig the map. They just they just moved.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
The map in favor of more of Carson.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
So that they could save Sparks a couple of years ago.
It's utterly ridiculous that they keep whining about this when
they're the ones who did it.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Here's my question for you, what's wrong with getting two
more one or two more Republican seats? I mean, you've
kind of laid out the argument. I understand that, but
you know, when all of a sudden done two more
Republican seats could be a good thing.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Okay, well, let's admit what we're doing then, Like, whoever
is the presidential election that gets all the seats? I mean,
that's basically what we're doing in this country. And my
question to people would be, what does giving you two
more Jefferson Shreeves get you?

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Like?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
How is your life gonna get any better? Because you
know it's going to be that Jennifer Ruth Green woman.
The reports are out that she's pondering running like they're not.
You're gonna Thomas Massy's in there. And so my question
is what did the Republicans do this year? They wasted
all this time in this big bullcrap bill. It added
trillions more to the debt, is legalized vote buying, the
crony capitalism, rewarding the donors and lobbyists. Everything's still getting

(34:10):
more expensive. What does this exercise produce here where we're
giving away all of our integrity so we can have
two more squish Republicans who screw us some more? Like
is that really worth all this flight?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
What do you We're speaking with Rob Kendall from the
Kendall and Casey Show kind enough to call us on
his day off because he's very passionate about this this topic.
Governor Brawn calling a special session for redistricting. We'd redrawing
the maps, maybe getting one or two more Republican seats.
What okay, let's talk about the top of the food
chain here in the state legislature. What do you call him?

(34:45):
Rod and Todd?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Is that or the boy the Flanders Boys planners who
for those who don't know, Nigel ned Flanders is the
neighbor on the Simpsons and his boys are named Rod
and Todd. So Todd Houston spear of the house, Rod
and Bray pro tim of the we call them the
Flanders voye.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Do they want any part of this at all? No?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
And I think this is what's going to be fascinating
because you have seen the legislature post Holcombe try to
re establish dominance over the governor. We saw the same
thing when Pence came in after Daniels. Now that was
David Long and Brian Bosma. And I think, look, I
think they'll ultimately get it done because I just don't.
It would be so embarrassing at this point if it failed.

(35:25):
But it's really going to be up to Rod Bray
to decide what sort of dominance he wants to assert.
Because Houston, this is essentially alluded to. They have the
votes in the House. But look right now, they're at twelve.
The mouth that I did is twelve. They got to
get to twenty five so that bronze erind boy Micah
can bend the knee and cast the vote as the
tie breaking vote. So they got to get to twenty five,

(35:48):
and so you're basically thirteen short. And we'll see what
sort of dominance Bray wants to exert over over his caucus.
I mean, it would not surprise me if he didn't
let it go forward, but I ultimately think it will.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
And you think this will ultimately pass, and you think
the lines will get where youdrawn, Well, I.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Think the pressure for insanity is too great and they're
totally afraid of Trump.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
And look, well yeah, that's that's that was my next question.
You can't have mentioned any word dominance because it goes
above you know, Rod and Todd. It goes to jd
Vance paying two visits to Indiana and this the state House.
It goes to Indiana Republicans going to the White House.
This I'm interested to know what the tipping point was

(36:33):
for this decision to call a special session.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, they're petrified of Trump, and Trump clearly threatened them.
I mean, this is pathetic. At this point, they were
clearly threatened with lack of funding for something. I mean
that kept being Ron sitting. He's like, well, we don't
want to get on the wrong side of the Trump administer.
You're like, who cares? Now, this is what should This
is what should enrage everyone. Is the signature issue in

(36:57):
the state for the past year and a half, really
two years, has been property taxes. Yes, and they screwed everyone.
These people who are so gun ho screwed everyone on
property taxes. And then when Braun got asked up, hey,
why should veto this and call special session and fight
for us, he goes, eh, now, no point, there's no point.
There's no point. He's calling the special session without the votes.

(37:20):
Now they may ultimately get the votes, but he's calling
this special session without the votes. So they won't lift
a finger to help you. They won't lift a finger
to fight for you and ensure you can afford to
stay in your home. But when it comes to being
subservient to Donald Trump, which they all admit, this is
a holy political act. They will go to the ends
of the earth to do that, and that should tell
everybody what they actually think about you. These people don't

(37:43):
give a damn about you.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I will say on a larger scale here, You've always
been one to say that Indiana needs a more robust
Democrat party only if to hold the Republicans that are
in power in check and make sure the Republicans are
working in uh the citizens' best interests instead of their own.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, and it's maybe the one thing that comes out
of this is and look, I've seen from a lot
of people, and it's anecdotal evidence, who see what's going on.
The one good thing that may come out of this
is it may piss enough people off that the big
Enchilada next year is getting rid of Diego Morales and
Bobi is sort of the customer's last stand for the
Democrats if they can't win with that guy and all
the money he's going to bring. And as bad as

(38:28):
candidate as Diego is. So the one good thing that
may come out of this is that they may motivate
enough people to say we're done here, like it is
just so egregious Nigel that there's all these issues facing
our day. People are getting screwed gas taxes, property tax,
utility builds. I mean, bad governments could collective the IDC,
property taxes. Yeah, I mean like all of these things,

(38:52):
and they're doing anything to help with that. And Andrew
Ireland was on with the with the with Jim and
Casey this morning. Yeah, and she asked him about, like,
well you go to bring anything up? Probably not. And
it's like, so even the people that are supposed to
be a great liberty people, they're not going to do
anything in this special session. It's always party, it's always them.
It's always the benefit of them, it's never the benefit

(39:13):
of you. And it amazes me that after getting screwed
so many times by the state Party and these people
in Washington, that there's still people who are super excited
about this exercise.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's Rob Kendall from The Kendel and Casey Show his
take on the announcement earlier this morning from Governor Brown
calling a special session going to redraw the district lines
redistricting here at least they're going to vote on it.
Mean call a special session. Hey man, I know it's
your day off. I know you're doing some important stuff
right now. So thank you so much for taking the
time out and giving us your perspective.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, thanks much.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Ever, Nigel presents, it depends.

Speaker 11 (39:52):
Upon what the meaning of the word is.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Is this anything?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Due by Indiana Unclaimed, presented by the Attorney General's Office,
reuniting Hoosiers with over one million dollars in unclaimed property
every single week, fast, easy and free to search at
Indiana Unclaimed dout Gove. I believe Guy Rulford, who was
filling in for Hammer, has been the recipient of a
couple of thousand dollars from Indiana. I'm a huge fan man.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
In fact, I texted the Attorney General and said I
sent him a picture of my check. A couple of
old bank accounts have been sitting around since I was
a teenager or younger, and it was like, yeah, it
was over twenty five hundred bucks I got from Indiana Unclaimed.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Big deal. So Hammer usually asked me, you know, I'm
going to switch around and ask you is this anything?
You bet? That's all right? You've bet we're gonna switch
it out. Today we have some fun. Two police dispatchers
in New Hampshire injured as they attempted to stop a
man wearing only a speedo and a hat who was

(40:57):
trying to get into the dispatcher's building. Here is Hillsboro
Hillsborow County Sheriff. His name's Brian Newcombe. Talking about the attack.

Speaker 12 (41:09):
One of our dispatchers was coming in for work and
was accosted by mister Nickerson, which he was trying to
get inside the building. Typically, they're here rendering assistance over
the phone and over the radio for people that are
calling nine one one or have an emergency that they
need assistance for, and they found themselves needed assistance here.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, who do you call? Then you're the dispatcher. Who
in the world do you call? Is this anything? Basically
naked guy in his speedo trying to break into the
dispatcher's building, dummy.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, well that's definitely something you know, I was teaching.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I was teaching one of myself defense classes. One time.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
I had a guy say in open class. He goes,
he goes, you have somebody bricks in my house. First
thing I'm gonna do is take all my clothes off,
because nobody wants to fight a naked guy.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Well, that's the thing with any one of these stories
that we do elude new dude in the news or
even a guy wearing a speedo trying to break in
to a nine one one dispatcher. There's always drugs involved.
Why is it? Why? What is it with drugs, hard
drugs and nudity that it in hand You.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Really wasted and the first thing you will do is
take your clothes off. You know, it could be because
the way so many people look naked, that's the only
way they can really bear to be to be naked
is once they get really messed up on whatever it
is they're taking.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
There's a legendary viral video out there on YouTube. They
call him the Naked Ninja. I think happened downtown Indianapolis
several years ago where the guy was completely naked. I
want to say it was on Washington and Meridian, maybe
somewhere es centrally located downtown and the impd had this.

(42:46):
He was so left up on drugs. And this guy's
gotten in touch with me before and he's he's cleaned
up his act. He got arrested, he's fine. I don't
It's been years since I've heard from him. But he
got in touch, wanted to get interviewed and we kind
of passed on it. But there were several reasons for that.
But he he fought off. I don't know, five IMPD

(43:12):
officers naked, got tasers everything, naked, ninja. I mean, I mean, wow,
they couldn't. They couldn't get this guy. Now eventually down
the road they got this guy. But I don't know
what it is about drugs and getting nude that correlate,
but especially when you're all messed up on meth or
whatever he was taken. Those tasers don't work, man, Yeah work.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Well, I've seen him fail and I've seen many many
videos of them failing.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Why did they fail? Like just because the drugs are
in the system and it's your adrenaline flowing, and I
think that's it.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Although you know, neurologically, the way a taser' is supposed
to work, it's just supposed to freeze up you're holding
neural system.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Have you ever been tasted?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Like, yeah, I didn't voluntarily. I had two people holding
me and got tased and.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Not a pleasant experience.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Oh no, your whole body just locks up and you
just get you just face plant. Man, You've got no
ability to you know, That's why they have somebody old
on you when you do it, and no it's not
a pleasant experience. But yeah, I know I've seen them fail.
I think, I think more often than just drugs or whatnot,
it's where actually is the opposite of where naked people
are able to resist it because you know, the darts

(44:22):
that come out of a taser maybe not don't adequately
penetrate clothing. I've seen that happen because you know, they
got to make contact with his skin for the actually work.
But why they wouldn't work on a naked guy because
of drugs?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
There's got to be somebody out there more sophisticated than
me and law enforcement who can answer that.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
We'll stay in the realm of law enforcement here for
is this anything. There's a place where cops want you
to get hammered and drunk in front of them. Listen
to this. This is what they call a wet lab.
Do they get a bunch of volunteers to come in
and drink, Terry, I need to go have a double thing, so.

Speaker 13 (44:57):
They get a double drink until they have the right
VACU level according to the breathalyser YEA.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I will see if any of the people who were
drinking can pass the sobriety test.

Speaker 13 (45:05):
The guy who had the most to drink had fourteen
drinks over about two and a half hours. Yeah, he
didn't pass the test.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Neither did anybody else.

Speaker 13 (45:13):
The cadet said that they would have arrested every single
person who was in that room drinking if they were
stopped on the side of the road.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Don't drink and drive.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
That's the important message the cops can tell. So it
sounds like, is this anything, guy, It sounds like some
sort of police training exercise where they have a controlled
environment where they will solicit volunteers to come in and
get drunk.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, now I've seen this. In fact, there are several
videos out there, and it's really meant as an educational
exercise in the sense that a lot of people believe
they can have what six, eight, ten beers or however
many shots or whatever it is, whatever it is, that
they're drink of preference and still be able to drive
just fine and pass sobriety tests and whatnot. All of people, well,
I hold my liquor, and I think this is a

(45:55):
way of educating people to say, you know what, one
you're going to pass, you're going to fail. It passed
the sobriety test and failed to pass a breathalyser much
earlier and with much fewer cocktails than what you thought.
So I think it's a valuable exercise for people to
really learn a valuable lesson.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
It's the Hammer Nigel Show. You're listening to the Hammer
and Nigel Show. Yeah, Nigel, Hammer's out. The gun guy,
Guy Rufford, licensed firearms instructor to a attorney filling in.
And whenever he fills in, we like to do ask
the gun guy where you call in and have any
type of questions relating to law enforcement, guns, Second Amendment

(46:39):
and I'll let you take it. Guy. You got the
phone bank, you got the names right there in front
of you, two three nine nine three ninety three.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
If you'd like to call in, absolutely, we still do
have a phone line or two open so people can call.
Let's go over to the phone lines and Jim Jim,
thanks for calling Hammer.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Nigel which got.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Hey, thanks for taking my call gun guy. I appreciate that.

Speaker 8 (47:01):
I'm going to question about Second Amendment carry.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I'd like to know if there's any reciprocity between states
with a second amendment carry.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, and you know a lot of people call that
constitutional carry gym or permitless carry, and it's not so
much reciprocity so much as a lot of a lot
of different states. In fact, we're up to thirty states
I believe we're right at thirty that have passed constitutional carry.

(47:35):
Each of them that have passed it allowed this is
permanitless cary, meaning you can carry a handgun without a license.
Just so everybody's clear on what we're talking about. And
those thirty states that have passed it now all recognize
it for non residents, so that I would say that
meets the definition of what you're talking about, which is
reciprocity meaning non red like if if they've passed constitutional

(47:58):
carry in North Dakota, by the way, was the exception
to this. They made it for North Dakota residents only,
and then here is summer or two ago, they changed
that and made it open to everyone, including non residents. So,
for instance, Kentucky has constitutional carry and they have that
applicable to non residents. So as an Indiana resident, I

(48:19):
can travel to Kentucky and I can carry my handgun
under their constitutional carry law. In addition, they recognize the
Indiana license to carry, and since I have one of those,
I really essentially have a Belton suspenders. As far as
being protected by carrying in Kentucky. That's just one example,
but we're up to thirty states now that have passed

(48:39):
constitutional carry. It's incredible, It is pretty cool. Go back
to the phone lines and Tim has called Tim Welcome
to Hammer.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Nigel, Hey guy, kind of a two part question.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
Sure, So a couple of years ago, my stepfather died
and my mother gave me one of his old handguns.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Have to be registered or am I legally allowed to
carry it?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Well tell you what, Tim, We don't have gun registration
in Indiana, and there's no registration requirement the federal law,
except when you're talking about things regulated by the National
Firearms Act, which is like machine guns and suppressors, short
brailed rifles, et cetera. So if it's just a typical handgun,
there is no registration. You couldn't register it if you
wanted to. Some police departments locally, if you go in

(49:28):
and say I want to register my gun, quote unquote,
they'll you know, take the information, serial number, make a
model and whatnot and keep it on a list, but
there's no statewide registration. So the answer to your question
is no, there's there's nothing you need to do. And
our carry law, both constitutional carry and our license to
carry in Indiana both mean you can carry any gun

(49:49):
you lawfully possess, and you you know, you receive that
you know, as the heir of your father's estate, you
can legally possess it, you can carry it. There's nothing
to she needed to do. But you said you had
a two part question.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
I think yeah, So with like the same gun, would
I be able to trade.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
It in at a gun shop as well? With sure,
with no issue. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
In fact, you know, in terms of the difference between
just like selling the gun, selling it to somebody you
know or an acquaintance whatnot, I always prefer rather to
trade them in now. The downside is you don't get
as much value for them. It's just like trading a
car in. You're going to get wholesale value versus retail,
so you're not going to get the same amount of money.

(50:33):
But it's very safe in terms of knowing that your
gun now is going to a retailer, and that retailer
before it sells that gun to anyone is going to
have to put that person through a complete background check,
which you don't have to do as a private individual.
So no, you can absolutely trade it in. I've done
that a number of times, and again you're giving up
some value, no question, but it's a good way of

(50:56):
knowing that your gun's not going to end up in
the hands of someone who you wouldn't want to have
your gun. Let's go to the phone lines again and
we got Bob or Rob Bob.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Bob is called Bob. Welcome to him.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Remark Bob, Hey, nice to me, and you are talking
to you.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
Yeah, I have a couple of questions about transferring some
of my handguns and rifles and shotguns to family members
because I'm getting kind of long in the tooth and
some health issues, and I wanted to know. I had
three handguns and two shotguns and one twenty two rifle

(51:37):
and one shotgun that I bought when I was like
eighteen from a friend and it's never been registered as
far as I know. I was wondering if all I
would actually transfer them or some to my family members.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah. I know the same deal, right, guy.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
You just give them to them, You just give them
to But there's an important question though, Bob, are they
in state?

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Are they here in Indiana?

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (52:04):
Three out of the six hour one is in Illinois.
Buy's planning on moving to Indiana.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
There are restrictions on transferring a gun to someone across
state lines. There are some exceptions to that which are
kind of cumbersome and complex, But I would as far
as if they're in Indiana and they're not residents of
a different state, you could, as Nigel said, you can
just give them to them, transfer them, say here you go,
here's the gun, and you're good to go. No, no else,

(52:32):
nothing else necessary. Now what I've always done whenever I've
transferred a gun, if it's not to a gun shop
like I was talking about just now with another caller,
if I'm transferring gun to a private individual, which I've
only done a handful of times, if that, I'll always
document that in the sense of I want to bill
a sale that has their name, my name, and the

(52:55):
serial number and whatnot all on it, the date, and
doesn't mean I don't try my family member. I've not
sold a gun or transferred to gun to a family member,
but whoever it is, I personally want some documentation that
as of this date, I am no longer the legal
owner of that gun. I've transferred that gun. And thats
not to say I just trust any of your family members.
Is just to say that if that gun shows up

(53:17):
in a crime scene or whatnot, or someone knocks on
your door, wanted to know when you got rid of
that gun, You've got a piece of paper signed by
them that says, hey, on this date, I transferred this gun,
and everybody acknowledges that. Let's go back to the phone
lines and let's take a break.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Now, take one more Okay, keep calling two, three, nine, nine,
nine and three ask the gun guy. We'll take one
more call and then we'll take a break and we'll
come back with another segment. That sounds great. Let's go
to Dave. Dave, Welcome to Hammer and Nigel.

Speaker 8 (53:46):
Hey guy, it's a great show so far.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Brother.

Speaker 8 (53:48):
I think your first caller, Jim stole my thunder. I
was going to ask about is that Utah gun permit?
I think worth like is legal in thirty two states,
but it's worth it. But apparently if you go to
thirty right now, why buy it? But anyway, I got
to follow up on this your two A Project. Are

(54:10):
you glad to talk about this on the show?

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Sure you bet?

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, The Two Day Project two A Project is a
gun rights organization that I founded in twenty twenty. It's
based right here in Indiana. If you ask the legislators,
the legislators who was right out front getting constitutional carry
passed in twenty twenty two, they'll tell you the two
A Project was. And so, yeah, we're a gun rights organization.

(54:34):
We'd love to have folks as a member and you
can join at the Two Way Project dot com.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
All right, he thanks the gun guy guy Ralphord filling
in for a Hammer. Let's continue the Ask the Gun
Guys segment. Do you bet?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Let's go right back to the phone lines, and Bill
has called Bill. Welcome to Hammer, Nigel.

Speaker 10 (54:51):
Hey, thanks guys, great great show today, guys, thanks making
my call. Thanks a mach I'm I'm embarrassed to say, guy,
I don't know the answer to this. The revolvers that
I own, it's just like any other revolver. Pull the trigger,
gun goes bang. It doesn't matter if it's single or
double action. My question is I have a friend who

(55:12):
bought his daughter a revolver. I don't know the manufacturer.
I've never heard of them, which doesn't really mean anything.
But my question to you is this, he's telling me
there's a safety mechanism on the revolver.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
I don't know if you've heard of this. This is
new to me.

Speaker 10 (55:26):
My question to you is, can he legally, without having
to play the tax stamp game or classify the pistol
now as an AOW, can he go to a gunsmith
and have that safety mechanism removed legally so she can
operate the gun.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Without having to screw with that.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Absolutely, that's just a legal modification of the gun. You're
not turning into a machine gun. You're not turning it
into a short brailed rifle, short brailed shotgun. Right and
and no AOW doesn't specifically does not apply to handguns.

Speaker 13 (55:56):
So no.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
They question here though, why would you want to remove
a safety mechanism from a gun?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
So he's explaining it to me.

Speaker 10 (56:05):
Sorry, guys, see, he's explaining to me. She doesn't she
He took her to the local gun range, had her try.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
A whole bunch of pistols.

Speaker 10 (56:11):
She's a you know, she's not comfortable with a racket
at Nigel with what chambering a semi auto pistol. So
he thought, well, well, you know, revolver is the way
to go, because he just pull the trigger.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Gun goes bang.

Speaker 10 (56:25):
So he got her this manufacturer of a certain brand
which I've never heard of. It's not a Ruger, it's
not it's nothing I'm familiar with. And she struggles with
it when he has taken her back to the range. Apparently, Nigel,
there's the way you have to hold this gun to
squeeze the trigger. And he doesn't feel comfortable her being
able to defend herself. God forbid if she needed to.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Yeah, And the short answer, nudge to your question is
that before you can use the gun to defend yourself,
you have to remember to disengage the safety. And there
there are and this happens in every course I've ever
seen or taught where somebody's using a revolver or well,
let me back up, or somebody's using a gun with
a safety. You know, there's usually semi automatic because it's rare.

(57:07):
The revolver has a safety on it. But when somebody
has a safety on their gun, especially under time pressure,
you've got a target Russian at chair, you've got to
draw and fire within a certain amount of time, or
you're in competition to draw and fire faster than somebody else.
Somebody always forgets to flick the safety and you're sitting
there pulling the trigger. Nothing's happening, you know, and theoretically,

(57:29):
in the real world, the bad guy's killing you at
this time. So like a lot of police carry glocks,
right or a lot of cops before, the problems with them,
like SIGs like SIG three to twenty. There's no safety
on those guns because there's no external safety, which means
you have to flick a lever before the gun will operate.
And that's because cops don't want to have to remember
to disengage the safety before they pull the trigger and

(57:50):
it goes boom.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Sixty seconds left. Sorry, that was my fault. I was
kind of curious about that though.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
No, it's an interesting question. I'm glad we had time
for it.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Colton.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
You're on the clock, brother, you got a quick question,
I'll get you answer.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Yeah, quick questions for you guy. Could you just quickly
explain some of the pros and cons to going through
registering and that's dr for purchase and going through the
ar pistol route.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I mean, first of all, to have a pistol, you
have to have a brace on it. And listen, I'm
just not a fan of braces. Braces, they're not real stocks.
They typically aren't adjustable, they don't function as stocks. I'd
rather have a real stock on my damn gun. That's
why I'm going to SBR my guns, that is making
a short barreled rifle. And the big plus starting January
first is now the stamp to get your registration on

(58:34):
an SBR is free as of January one. That was
a provision in Trump's great, big, Beautiful bill. So I
don't own an AR pistol because I don't like braces.
I like real stocks. And that's exactly the answer to
your question from my perspective.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Brother Hammer and Nigel, do you believe these characters are weirdos?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Yeah, my name is Nigel. Jason Hammer is out the
gun guy guy ralpher filling in of Mike Braun did it.
He pulled the trigger. Calling a special session November third,
and we're going to talk about redistricting, getting those votes
to redraw some congressional lines here in the state and

(59:17):
possibly maybe pick up a seat or two in the
House right now. There are two to be picked up
if they go that way. There's also look, we're gonna
talk about this all week. This is going to be
a big deal. But there's also something else that's kind
of attached to this special session. Yeah, that nobody's talking
about it. We haven't mentioned it yet. Is the federal

(59:39):
tax compliance issue. And guy, maybe you and you just
got a text message from a former rep. That could
shed some light on this and maybe give people more
of an idea of what this is about.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, a good friend of mine served in the legislature
for a long long time, very very productively texted me
after he heard our discussion about why Braun called this
special session, and I think he raised a very very
good point, and that is that when Governor Braun announced
he was calling the special session, he mentioned two different
issues he wants the General Assembly to address. Just one

(01:00:17):
is redistricting. The other one is the fact that and listen,
I'm not a tax guy. I have no authority whatsoever
on the tax code. But apparently there are some recent
changes to the federal tax code that require Indiana to
realign its state tax code to be consistent with parallel

(01:00:39):
to the new as amended federal tax code. So that
needs to be done, and that was reason in and
of itself to call the special session. Here, Governor Broun
has cover because he can call the special session and
say in order to alleviate some of that political pressure
that he's getting from Washington and President Trump, specifically Vice

(01:01:02):
President Vance. Now two trips to Indianapolis, he can say, hey,
I called a special session to address the redistricting when
he really needed to call it anyway. Now he just
gets to lump this in and he gets political cover.
I thought that was just such a wise point that
I wasn't smart enough to come up with on my own,
and I wanted to mention it because I think that's
a very good theory.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
So do you think this is but I mean, you know,
quote from Braun, I'm also asking the legislature to conform
Indiana's tax code with the new federal tax provisions to
ensure stability. It's certain certainty for taxpayers and tax repairers
for the twenty twenty six filings. So what's your contact
is saying, the former representative is saying, is that this

(01:01:45):
is equally like I feel like they're just kind of
tacking that on. Is that what you're saying, They're tacking
this little this this tax.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
That can easily be the appearance right because he's saying,
all right, I'm gonna do what the big hitters in
Washington want me to do and which some elements of
Indiana Republicans want me to do, which is to call
a special session to do redistricting. But he really needs
to call a special session anyway, So this way he
can have his cake and need it too, call it
for a reason that he needed, you know, separate and

(01:02:16):
apart from redistricting, and get the political heat off of
him by saying he wants the legislature, whether they have
the votes or not, to address redistricting, and by the way,
while still whipping votes to get enough votes to accomplish
the redistricting so he can get he he can do
both and claim credit for both at this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Point, because we had Governor Braun in here last week
and he seemed to be very confident that he I
got the feeling that he was going to call the
special special session and that they were going to be
able to have enough votes to redistrict. That's my feeling.
Do you think I couldn't imagine him calling a special session,

(01:02:57):
spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers money and
then coming up short. Note.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
That really makes you look like a week leader. It
does make you look weak. At the same time, it
allows you to deflect and say I wanted him to
do the right thing. I just and this is frankly
exactly what he did on property tax I know he
said I wanted to stand firm, I wanted a much
more significant reductions to property taxes that people in the

(01:03:24):
legislature wouldn't agree with me. I did my best, and
he has the exact same out if he chooses to
go that direction if they don't do what he wants
him to do on property taxes. And by the way,
I agree with you because I heard your interview with
Governor Braun right here in this studio. At the same time,
I've also heard what Rod Brays had to say, which

(01:03:45):
is that he doesn't think the votes are there in
the Indiana Senate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
So if he doesn't think the votes are that's the
whole thing here, and I just don't I can't imagine
that Governor Braun is going to risk that political appittal
to say yeah, we're gonna call a special session and
then all of this on the redistricting it gets voted down. Ah,
I did what I could. But that makes Braun, like

(01:04:10):
Donald Trump's gonna be like, what kind of leader are you?
What are you doing? That's fair? That's a big risk,
I guess, is what I'm saying. Right, I mean, if
you're not gonna call a special session on property taxes, which,
like you pointed out earlier, the legislature already voted.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, see, we don't have a vote yet on redistricting,
so he can make these people responsible.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
And so is Braun beholden to Trump or the citizens
of Indiana. Lots of Hoosiers, I think would probably say Braun,
this is just off the top of my head. I'm
just thinking. I'm saying, lots of Hoosiers that voted for
Trump saying Braun should do whatever Trump wants. Oh no,

(01:04:54):
I mean you don't think that, you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Well, no, a lot of people are saying that. Yes,
I'm just giving you guy Ralford Japan rights now just
me personally, No, his number one priority ought to be
the citizens of the state of Indiana. And that's why
I still am disappointed. He didn't actually go ahead and
veto the property tax bill, for instance, and and draw
a line in the sand and say, this is not
what I wanted, not what I campaigned for. You do

(01:05:16):
this the way I wanted you to do it the
original Senate bill won, or don't do it at all.
And and even if they still went back against him,
he at least drew a line in the sand. I
think here he had to draw a line in the
sand and make it clear that he wants to do
what the constituents right here in Indiana elected him to do,
which is lead us the way he campaigned on. And
so no, I think his number one priority ought to

(01:05:38):
be what his constituents want him to do right here.
At the same time, the president of the United States
and Republican Party nationally starts leaning on you, and so
I can start talking about, well, you know, you know
that that's a nice governorship you got there. It'd be
a shame of somebody primaried it here next election. I mean,
you know, there, there are there are there. There are
a lot of ways they can lean on him that

(01:06:00):
I'm sure are very uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
If the goal again I said it earlier, if the
goal is domination by the repub by the Republicans, then
redistricting is the right call. If that's if you're hardcore
and you want to win and you don't want the
Democrats to ever have a chance ever again to ye

(01:06:23):
to you know, to be in the mix, then it's
the right call. But if you think honest representation is
what's right, then it does seem a little unethical. It's
a choice you have to make, even though unethical doesn't
mean that they totally have the right to do this. No,

(01:06:44):
such a conundrum.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
It's interesting and listen, I mean my natural reaction to
the issue is to want to do the right thing,
do what's you know, the most ethical, But then pretty
easily somebody calls me naive, which is well, guide the
Democrats don't play by those rules exactly, and all we're
doing is counteracting what they're doing in all these states.
I mean, if you've seen the districts in Illinois and

(01:07:05):
California and New Jersey and Connecticut and Maryland and New York,
I mean, they're ridiculous, they're laughable. So they're saying, all
we're doing is playing by the same rules as the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
So in a perfect world.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
I'm saying, hey, let's do the right thing. Let's be ethical,
let's give everybody an equal voice, and that's the way
our government is designed to function. But there's a little
whisper behind my ear that tells me I'm being stupid
naive because that's not the rules that those aren't the
rules that the Democrats follow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
You're listening to the Hammer and Nigel Show Kevin Bowen
from when I was seventy five to fan their morning show,
our sports stock station here in the building. To talk
about the Colts, their big win. We'll talk IU, we'll
talk the injury ridden Pacers a little bit after five
point thirty. My name is Nigel. That's guy Relford filling
in for Hammer. One of the things that I thought

(01:07:56):
was funny, and it always comes up when talking about
Donald Trump and you know, being an authoritarian, being a dictator,
is that he's going he's gotten merch to Donald Trump
twenty twenty eight, he's going to run for a third term.
I love this, and look, he was asked about this

(01:08:17):
today and there's several ways that people are theorizing that
he's going to kind of circumvent the constitution. Let me
just play this audio. Here's Trump ruling out running for
the vice presidency in twenty twenty eight, which is an
approach again that some of his supporters have floated to

(01:08:39):
allow him to serve an additional tournament office. He read,
how you might try to serve a third term if
you can run it to the vice president. Yeah, I'd
be allowed to do that. The White House convision. Yeah,
you'd be allowed to do that. But I would. I would.
I think it's stupid. Yeah, I would rule it up

(01:09:01):
because it's too cute. I think that people would like
that it's too cute. It's not it would be right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
We also has on the record is saying I would
love to do it. Though I would love to I
would love to run for a third term, not as
vice president. As he was saying it's too cute. Yeah,
I'm not going to do that. He can't do it
anything anyway. The Twelfth Amendment says anyone constitutionally ineligible to
be president is also ineligible to be vice president. So

(01:09:30):
that's that's, you know, under the twentieth Amendment. In the
twelfth Amendment, there's some there's people trying to circumvent that.
Here is I'm going to play somebody here of Trump's
former advisor Steve Bannon seems to think that Trump has
twenty twenty eight in the bag. And this is him
on something called The Economist podcast a few days ago.

Speaker 11 (01:09:52):
And does he need a third term in order to
see that job through? Well, he's going to get a
third term. So if Trump twenty eight, Trump is going
to be president of twenty eight, then people just sort
to get accommodated with that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
So what about the twenty second amendments?

Speaker 11 (01:10:03):
There's many different alternatives. At the appropriate time will lay
out what the plan is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
But there's a plan.

Speaker 11 (01:10:08):
And President Trump will be the president in twenty eight.
We had longer odds in sixteen and longer odds in
twenty four than we got in twenty eight. And President
Trump will be the president United States, and the country
needs him to be president Nied States. We have to
finish what we started.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I don't know, guy, is this anything Steve Bannon there
running his mouth. I just don't think the constitution works
like that. You would have to amend the constitution first.
There are amendments in place to keep everything that he
was talking about, including you know, running on a VP

(01:10:48):
ticket and then having the person resign, and you know,
you know, having the president resign and having Donald Trump
as vice president takeover as president. There's amendments in place
that don't allow for that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Listen, anything I want to say about Steve Bannon. He's
never struck me as a constitutional scholar. And I think
what you see, you know, the Trump twenty twenty eight
merged and some of that stuff people need to understand.
But Donald Trump is one of the all time great
trolls of in the history of social media, and he
loves to put stuff out there that just gets people

(01:11:22):
riled up and has them running around in circles waving
their hands in the air. And I just think it's
hilarious when he does this. The Constitution says what it says,
and President Trump is plenty smart enough to know that
any efforts along those lines would not be successful legally.
And frankly, you know, how do the American people really

(01:11:43):
feel about that? Because whoever would run as president, for instance,
with him as vice president so has to win the election.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
And how many do you Yeah, that's exactly, But you
have to you have to amend the Constitution and you
have to draft the amendment, you propose it two thirds
vote and both the House had said it, ratify it,
and then survive litigation, and then you have to run.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
And by the way, it has to be ratified in
thirty nine states. And do you think that happens overnight?
I mean, look at the last few constitutional amendments and
how long they they took to even get done. You're
assuming you can pass the resolution in two thirds by
a two thirds majority of Congress or a two thirds
vote in a constitutional convention and they still get it
ratified by three quarters of the states. That's thirty nine.

(01:12:30):
I mean, that's not going to happen. Everybody knows it's
not going to happen. And I think Bannon's not smart
enough to figure that out, or maybe he's just trolling too,
But I think President Trump is just having fun with it,
to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
I do too, you know, And maybe he's talking about
Don Junior in twenty twenty eight Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
There you go, Trump twenty twenty eight Don Junior, Yeah, yeah,
or one of the daughters.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Don't looks like when that's the argument like we had,
we were kind of mocking the no Kings protests and
a couple of weeks ago, a couple of Saturdays ago
in the State House. You know, it's not just Trump,
It's like, we hate billionaires, we hate the people in control. Well,
I got news. I got bad news for the people
at those New Kings protests. Those are highly organized nationwide

(01:13:16):
protests by billionaires, funded by billionaires.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
That's such a good point, Niche.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
It is so true.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
You know, if George Soros is writing you a check
to go to go campaign and protest that you hate billionaires,
how incredibly hilarious is that? I mean ironic, certainly, but
I'm sorry, that's just hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
And then we and then of course we get the tweets,
we get them on social media. Well, Donald Trump has merchandise.
He's openly said he would like to run for a
third what president you think Obama wouldn't have wanted to
run for a third term? Exactly, He didn't go out
and nobly say it. I don't think like Donald Trump does.

(01:13:56):
But like you said, Trump could be the ultimate troll
the people that hate him the most.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Again, and don't ever and you and I I know
agree on this completely, but don't ever discount the value
that Trump puts in just trolling people, just totally making
people spend I think when they commemorate, when they finally
get done with the ballroom, right, that he's causing all
this controversy, which I also think is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
A hilarious that's a whole Yeah, I'm so glad you
brought that up. The ballroom that he's paying for by money.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Yeah, But when they commemorate that, I think it would
be completely like like Trump to come out with a
big plaque that says, yes, this is his Royal Majesty
Donald Trump ballroom.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
You know, just just totally to get people spinning on
this whole. No ki gigs, is that all they have?
Like when they were yeah, there was a twenty four
hour news cycle maybe forty eight when they were you know,
morning Joe was saying, oh my dear lord, I can't
believe look at the because the White House was under construction, right,

(01:15:00):
and so it was east pretty bad, was it? The
east wing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
It's just still over a soccer that was built in
the forties. I mean, it's not like it's been there since.
You know, they rebuilt it after the War of eighteen twelve.
They just they built the east wing to hide a
bunker that they built in the forties during World War Two.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
It's sick, is that what they have to complain about.
After Donald Trump just basically all but solved the Hamas
Israeli conflict and got the hostages back. Well, we really
can't talk about that anymore. But me and Donald Trump
spending his own money to construct a ballroom on the

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White House. That's all they have exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Do you see what what Representative Swallwell said today, Oh
this is hilarious.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
He said.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
He said it should be a precondition of any Democrat
running for president in twenty twenty eight that they commit
to tear down Trump's ballroom.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Tear it down. Okay, it was, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
It was what I was paid for with no government funds,
all private funds. And you know, and and and by
the way, do you know they have a bunch of
these state dinners where they're bringing in emperors and kings,
prime ministers and presidents and they have them in tense.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Yeah, it's dumb like your brother in law's you know,
brother in law's wedding you with the big white tent
and this is at the White House. Yeah, and so
we're building a ballroom. Swall Wall says, in order to
run for president in twenty twenty, you have to commit
to tear it down. Bring in bulldozers and knock it down.
These people you talk about Trump derangement syndrome. Oh, it's
that's classic.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
The Hammer and Nigel Show. My name is Nigel Guy
Relford filling in for Hammer the Colts. What a gorgeous
day for a Colts beat down of the Tennessee Titans
Division rivals thirty eight to fourteen to final score. We'll
go straight to the hotline and bring on Kevin Bowen
from the morning show on one seven five the Fan.
I'm just curious, and then we'll get to the game,

(01:16:57):
like do you remember where you were, what you were
doing when you heard Daniel Jones was coming to be
the Colts quarterback? And do you remember your thought process
and what you were thinking and can you compare and
contrast that to what you're thinking now?

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Well, I that's a great question, Nige. I don't necessarily recall,
like you know, where I maybe was, but you know,
I just I figured and wrongly it was just the
same old, samele, you know, a different you know whatever.
Jacoby Rissett, Carson Wentz Gardner Minshew, you know, Matt Ryan,
you know, just one of these others. And then you

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know it kind of hit me probably midway through the
off season. I was like, oh wait, like this is
real in the sense of like he's going to I
think start. You know, it kind of hit me, Yeah
a little bit there, like, oh no, this is like
going to happen to picture like I'd be debating Jonathan
Taylor or Daniel for NFL MVP on our radio show.

Speaker 13 (01:17:54):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Absolutely, Chris thought, Okay, your your takeaways from the game.
I believe he called put on what they call a clinic.
Is that is that the term? Is that the term
for the Tennessee Titan on the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Yeah, I think that's an accurate way to put it.
I mean it's it's surgical what they've done. And you know,
I honestly feel like I've done the same Monday Show
like several times this season NIGE and done it in
a you know, like uber positive light. You know, we're
not us NFL teams blowing other feet out to the
level that the Colts have. You know, it's very rare
to like have to play in fourth quarters around emptying

(01:18:31):
your bench in the NFL, and yet the Colts have
done that. I know I've said this to you guys
here on these Mondays, but just to reiterated, the Colts
do not have a single twenty point win last year,
the year before, or the year before that. Wow, And
this year they already have four of them. And we're
I mean, we're we're not even at the midway point
of the season. So I mean that to me, just

(01:18:54):
like from a I guess a context standpoint, maybe that's
kind of the best way to sum it up. They
had eight wins last year, all eight or by one score. Yeah,
this year got four by twenty points and another one
by fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
And so you were debating on your show whether it's
going to be Daniel Jones or Jonathan Taylor for MVP.
I mean, I know after that eighty year old that
eighty yard touchdown run by Jonathan Taylor, the whole I mean,
that was the play where everybody was chanting MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
Right, Yeah, And honestly, I think part of this sense
from Okay, what is MVP. Is it the acronym most
valuable player or is it the best player in the NFL.
To me, it should be the best player in the
NFL because when we get into the definition of the
actual acronym, spelling it out, well, quarterback is the most

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weighed position in the entire sports landscape. You know, there's
no position like quarterbacks, So of course he's the most valuable.
I mean, if I told you the Culture are going
to go start their backup running back or the backup
quarterback tomorrow, you'd vote for them starting their backup running back.
But if you're talking, the best player in the NF
fell to me in twenty twenty five. It has ben

(01:20:02):
Jonson Taylor and the fact that he's taking his game,
which is already on a Hall of Fame type of path,
the fact that he's taking it to another level is
just amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
I don't know you had the numbers right there in
front of you. I don't I misplaced mine somewhere, But
multiple games, one hundred yard games, two hundred yard games,
he just keeps seeing like and teams don't have an
answer for him. And I'm wondering what we're going to
see moving forward. How are teams that are left on
the schedule going to contain Jonathan Taylor or Daniel Jones

(01:20:35):
for that matter.

Speaker 8 (01:20:36):
Yeah, good luck.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
And that's the thing. It's just this balance. You know,
they can attack you in multiple ways. It seemingly is
a little bit of throw to score in the first
half and then run to win in the second half.
Taylor's numbers in the second half are astonishing this season,
and that's probably the most I say, just dynamic out
element to your offense because you know the fact that

(01:20:58):
you can be multiple and again you can be a
bit unpredictable. Your tight end is a huge help. I
think in recent yes, the Colts are kind of tipping
their hands, yes, depending on what tight end was on
the field. The fact that you have Tyler Warren out
there is can do so many different things. I think
it's a huge help as well. So I believe the
young kids would say the Colts are a wagon right now.
I don't really know what that means. Whether they are

(01:21:20):
a wagon, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Don't know what that means. We're speaking with Kevin Bowen
from one O seven to five to the fan, So
have the Colts passed all the tests they needed to pass?
That kind of sounds like a raw, raw, raw sort
of fan uber fan question, like we keep on saying,
you know, obviously Tennessee's a week team. They played some

(01:21:41):
other week teams. But they've had some tests, they failed some.
They failed a test against the Rams. But what do
they have coming up now? They got the Steelers next week.
The Steelers lost to the Packers last night. Was it
thirty five to twenty five or something like that? Is
that a quote unquote test on the road for the Colts?

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
I think going back to your original question knowledge of like,
have they passed all the tests? Is the answer to
that I think is no. But at the same time,
I want to make sure, like all the tests that
have pretty much been put in front of them, they've
like virtually aced all of them, which again does not
happen in the NFL. Teams do not have the scoring
margin that the Colts have. Now, have they played one

(01:22:23):
of the easier schedules in the league so far? I
don't know if the data would say that, but my
guess is they probably have. You know at Pittsburgh, yes,
that's a little bit of a different challenge. How about
at Kansas City, Yes, in a few weeks after the
bye week, how about a trip to Seattle in December?
You know, you still haven't played the second place team

(01:22:43):
in your division Jacksonville either game. You still haven't played
the third place team in your division, Houston, either game.
So yes, I think really today marks a shift in
the season, not just because the midway point. I think
for the most part the and I say this in quotes,
the easier part of your schedule is largely over and
now the more difficult part will start to arrive. I

(01:23:06):
think of their final nine ninege yeah, I want to
say six of them are away from home, so just
there kind of the sheer number. And again I don't
think you're gonna be You know, they were a fourteen
point favorite yesterday. I mean Hammer would know this full well.
I mean that is a massive number in the NFL.
There's not going to be a fourteen point favorite in
any game the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Did you hop on Hammer's bet with Jonathan Taylor three touchdowns?
Did you hop on that train? Because I did, and
I want, but I only got it at plus six
hundred though.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
Yeah, I try to be careful. You know how many
times I hop on anything of Jason Hammer's. But to
be saying, not only not only that profitable bet right there,
but he also gave us a Benedict matherin pacer first
three pointer to open up the season last Thursday. We
have Hammer on every Thursday at nine thirty. Oh yeah,

(01:23:58):
Jason Hammer has made our listener's a lot of money
and my kid's five twenty nine is very grateful.

Speaker 6 (01:24:04):
Right right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
We speaking with Kevin Bowen Morning Show for one of
seven five the Fan, our sister sports talk stations. So
let's talk about the Pacers. I was listening to you
and JMV on the radio yesterday. I'm doing the Colts pregame.
It's your Your conversation steered towards the Pacers, and when
it did, it kind of sounded like both of you
wanted to drive your your cars into brick walls all

(01:24:27):
of a sudd It's sudden, you know what I mean.
It sounded like, and I'm not talking about from an
on air performance quality, it just sounded sort of in
despair about what the Pacers are going through right now
in terms of injuries and the start of their season.
Can you break that down for me?

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
Yes, So, they currently have eight players missing time due
to injury, particularly in the back court, like that's where
virtually all of it is. And this is including Tyree
Halliburn here so the other night on a satur night,
and I consider myself, I guess a follow over the Pacers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
They had a.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Lineup in the first quarter where their two guards were
guys by the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Name of ray J.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
Dennis and Taylan Peter. Okay, and like, I mean, you've
got to be an eighty suit where I guess a
forty one night season ticket holder could probably know who
those two guys are at nights. They're getting in in
the first quarter of game two of the season. Like
to me, that sounds like a lineup for the fort
Wayne madd Ann to the Noblesville Boom, like, and it

(01:25:30):
is shot. I mean, that's just the reality of where
they're at right now. They are in a dire health situation.
Guys injured, Tyree Talliburton, TJ McConnell, Benedict Matheren, Andrew Nemhart,
Obi Poppin, Johnny Fursey, I mean, the list goes on
and on. So yeah, it's just a weird evaluation period
of the Pacers right now because you're like complimenting them

(01:25:51):
on their effort and yet they're zero to three and
an oh and four start would be I think the
longest in like twenty or thirty some years. But that's
just the reality of how banged up they are right now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
That first game of this regular season was that where
Rick Carlisle was kind of going nuts? Is that was he? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Is that the right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
And have you talked to him since then?

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
Yeah? So we had him on just before that thunder game.
So we have him on every Tuesday, okay, ye, So yeah,
we are schedul to have him on coming up coming
up tomorrow. And I mean it's got to be uber
frustrating for him because I know the officiating opening night,
he was, yes, you know, obviously too pleased to that.
And again that was a point in time where they
were a little bit healthier.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
Since then, you know, Nemhart got hurt in that game.
Since then, Ben mcmatherden's gotten hurt, Obi Toppins gotten hurt.
So you know, now right now they are just in
scramble mode. I've never seen the Pacers this injured. I
mean to think the Pacers have more guys injured than
the Colts right now. And the Colts play football and
there's forty six of them that play every game versus

(01:26:49):
what twelve NBA players.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
What about are you are you football number two? Looking
at the rest of their schedule, what do they have?
What's your thoughts on finishing out with IU football?

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
Well, on paper, the schedule is a joke. The rest
of the way, they got four games left in the
Big Ten. Those teams have combined to win one Big
Ten games. So it is a collision course to Lucas
Oil Stadium and Ohio State in all likelihoods for the
Big Ten championship game here in a little over a month.
I sound like a broken record. I feel like I've

(01:27:23):
done the same Monday show about the Colts. I feel
like I've done the same Monday show about IU football.
They just won their second Big Ten game by fifty
points this season.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Like I Believa, you used to.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
People checking out on IU football at halftime they go
out to Tampa. Now you check out because the game's
not entertaining anymore. They're just eating the brakes off the opponent.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Kevin I fell asleep during the middle of that game.
Once it hit. Once it hits the thirties, I was like, COUM,
that's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
And again, nothing because of anything in the enda did
poorly because what we're doing the breaks off.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Their opponent there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
So they do go on the road the next two
weeks at Maryland and at Penn State. Again, those teams
have struggled here lately. Obviously Penn State's got a new coach,
but still based off how Indiana's played this season, it's
it's stay healthy till the Big Ten title game. In
all likelihood, they're probably looking at a buy in the
college football playoffs, unbelievab, which would put them you know,

(01:28:23):
not getting a home game, it would immediately put them
into the quarter final part of the bracket.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Tomorrow morning on your sports morning show, Pacers coach Rick Carlisle.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
What else, Yeah, we also have Doug Bowls on, so
I think Doug wants to come on chat a little bit.
Never too early to look ahead to never another five hundred,
So the great Doug Bowles will join us and then
hopefully Rick Carlisle there in Dallas for a game on Wednesday,
so I will have Rick join us from there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Kevin Bowen one seven fan, thank you as always, have a.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Great week, you bet Nige, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
It's a Hammery Nigel show sampled Okay, Hammer's out the
gun guy Guy Ralford is in moonshine. Mondays aren't stopping. Baby.
We have a super fan that likes to make illegal

(01:29:14):
moonshine for us, and this time he's dropped off a
Halloween batch. Previously, Guy, we had this whole just several
different flavors, and he labeled them all. Look at this
mason jar right here. There's no label on what this is,
but could you describe maybe what you're looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
You know, it's kind of mustard color, and it's got
some viscosity to it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
It's got some viscosity. It is mustard color. I was
gonna say pumpkin, because this is inco the super fan
that made this for us, and and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
By the way, as your attorney, this is not this
is not illegal moonshine. This is moonshine, the legality of
which has not been substantiate.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Okay, I'm gonna start saying that from now on. I
think it just sounds neatter when we say so if
you don't, I don't know what this is like. I
know it's moonshine, but I don't want flavor. And we're
about to put it in our body. We're going to
experience it together. He did say again, this was Halloween

(01:30:12):
flavored high Halloween style moonshine here, so uh heres to
you cheers on moonshine Monday. Thank you to our super fan.
I think it's got a little pumpkin, little yeah, little cinnamon,
and definitely a little spice. You could tell you that

(01:30:34):
I always said, this guy has this moonshine. I mean,
don't let the viscosity, like you said, and the color
and the smell fool you, because it's got a kick
to it, right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
But it's fabulous.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
I'll tell you what I would. I would put this
over ice cream. You would do another one? Alright, Well,
let's do another one man Guy Ralford, the gun guy
filling in for Jason Hammer three w IBC.