September 9, 2025 • 14 mins
Lt. Governor joined the show to talk about his recent Facebook post regarding Haitian immigrants, if a Grand Jury if investigating his office, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, when it was an Igel Jason Hammers. Here goes
straight to the hotline and bring on the number two
in charge here in the state of Indiana, Lieutenant Governor
Micah Beck with Micah, thank you for coming on. One
of my favorite quotes I've seen in the past couple
of days, I think, and I'm paraphrasing here is in
the Indie Star you mentioned that the media can decide
if you're a radical right wing Christian nationalist or an
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open borders leftist.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Which one is mine?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Do you have to choose right now?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Listen, I am still very much on the America first.
I would consider myself right. I'm not a moderate leftist.
I believe in traditional American values and part of that
is making sure that we have secure borders. And I've
been speaking out against the abuse of the TPS, the
temporary Protected status of the Haitians for a number of
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years now. Biden did this to us. This is Biden's
problem that he created. Trump's doing a great job trying
to clean it up, and that you know that post
was just totally misconstrued and taken out of context, and
people start saying, oh, you're a you know, you're a
radical leftist you and open voters. I'm like, go back
to look at my record. I've been very clear and
I've stood strong, and nothing's changed.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Was it taken out of context, Micah? Or did you
do a crappy job of writing it? Because I'll be
honest when I read it the first time.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Want you read it, I'm gonna read it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Here it is, word for word.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yesterday, I sat with Haitian pastors from Marion County. Their
people have endured earthquakes and violence, and now more than
forty thousand are seeking asylum here in Indiana. We spoke
about barriers of language and culture, while also discussing the
power of faith and family. What I saw was not
a community asking for a handout, but people determined to
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work hard, raise their children to become contributors to the
Great Hoo's your state, and assimilate to the American way
of life. So, Micah, I took that as forty thousand
making asylum, and you talk about assimilating to the Great
Hoosier State. I can see why people would take that
the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Oh, one hundred percent. It was an unclear post.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I mean, listen, I don't say everything perfectly and I've
said that. We put out a clarifying statement to say, hey,
we're not advocating for forty thousand to come. This is
not what we said. They're already here. They were here
brought here by Biden, and then Eric Holcomb brought them
in as well, and so, and I spoke out against
that very adamantly. But I was meeting with these pastors
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to say, you guys have a job to do. While
you're here under the temporary status. You assimilate to.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Our values, not the other way around.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm getting sick and tired of seeing all of our
culture stripped away when we have all of these different
immigrants coming in saying you've got to respect our way
of life now because we're in your land. It's like, no,
you came to America, you respect the American value system.
And that's what I was telling these pastors to do.
And I was saying, hey, don't expect to hand out
you're not getting a now. We're not going to teach
your kids, you know, English and public schools. You should
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be teaching them English in your church. We're not going
to feed your kids. You should be feeding them.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
From your church.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So I'll speaking to them as a pastor and saying
assimilation while you're here is a must. Don't come in
and start to you know, start to push, uh, you know,
my way of life into our culture. So that's really
what it was. But yeah, there's a poorly worded post.
I absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Mike good when you say speaking as a pastor, and
it comes from the official Lieutenant Governor Micah Beckwith's social
media account. I think we kind of get into that
gray area of religion and church and state, and I
think that's where a lot of people get squorely.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I mean, hey, so I'm a pastor. I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna shy away from that.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I'm a pastor. And and by the way, my faith
is my identity. We don't tell somebody who's LGBTQ.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You know, Hey, you can't be lgbt LGBTQ when you're
a politician. Why do I have to sacrifice my faith
and put my check my identity at the door. And
it's for some reason, it's like it's not okay to
be a pastor in a politician, but everything else. You
can be a business leader and the politician you can
be able to BETQ and a politician. You can be
everything else in the world, but when it comes to
your faith and I'm a pastor, everyone says you need
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to check that at the door.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But there's different rules for the government though than business. Micah,
Oh that house so like the separation of church and
state by elected officials.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Hammer you are so wrong on it. That show me
the Constitution where it says separation in church and state.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Okay, Okay, I don't have it right in front of
me right now, but I know there's a lot of
people that feel like this is like the gray area
right Like, I'm rooting for you. I want you to
do well, but I need the lieutenant governor, Micah Beckworth.
I don't need the pastor. You're not my pastor. So
the religious aspect of this, that's what I think a
lot of people are like, hold on here, just I
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appreciate your faith, but we got to focus on business
at hand right here. And this tweet, this Facebook post,
whatever it was, came out wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So we are suffering from depression, anxiety, anxieties to side, poverty, disease,
all of these things that God has said how to
deal with in his word, and so you don't want
a pastor right now to help deal with this. I
think that's a problem with America. We push faith out
of our community, and I'm saying, bring it back in,
and you need pastors to.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Step up and do that.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I want we don't tell a business owner when when
the economic you know, the prowess of a state goes away.
We saw Mitch Daniels come in. He said, I'm a
business guy. I understand business, and I'm going to get
our state back into the right alignment when it comes
to business, and we're going to balance the books. And
he did that as a business guy. What I'm seeing
is is the moral degradation of our society. And I'm saying,
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I'm a pastor, I know morality, i know what God
says about morality, and I'm going to come into this
and we're going to fix it from this perspective now.
So I think it's totally appropriate to bring faith into
this environment.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I'm not going to change. I mean, that's who I am.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Sure And just for the sake of transparency, Mike, for
our audience. In Indiana, the separation of church and state
is a principle derived from the First Amendment of the
US Constitution and Indiana's own constitution.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
No show me, okay, read the First Amendment? Does it
say separation in the Church and State?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Article one of Indiana's Constitution. Listen, this is gonna take forever.
I'm gonna post it online. I'll share it to you
later because I got to hear other stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I teach this stuff, Ammer, It's not there. What you're
referring to is the establishment clause that Congress will make
no law respecting the establishment of religion. But you know
the same guys who wrote that, do you know what
the state constitutions? The first thirteen State Constitution said, you
can't run for office unless you make a public declaration
of faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior
to be able to run for office. The same guys
who wrote the state constitutions wrote the US Constitution. All
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they were saying is, we don't want the federal government
telling us to do it, but we expect the states
to make sure that you have godly people who understand
the moral law of the creator of heaven and Earth
to dictate how to govern society. So they were not
saying faith is separate. They were saying faith is absolutely imperative.
George Washington said, you can't rightly govern without God in
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the Bible.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
You can't have faith in you can't.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Have a free society with That's what our founders are
saying is so we got away from that hammer.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
That's why everything's falling apart.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I saw some interesting criticism of you, Lieutenant Governor Micah
Beck with here in the Hammer in Nigel Show from
some local independent reporters. The Indie Reporter, I think he
like retweeted somebody that was actually that was defending you
in your posts there. But they were saying, Micah is
being a smart ass to everyone that questions him about this.
(07:28):
Micah isn't doing himself any favors by deleting posts. Micah
is still lacking accountability and acting like he's a victim
on all this. At this point, most of Micah's base
is done with him. The only people that are left
are the Boomer cohns that think he can do no wrong.
It's kind of a condoluted thing, like like is your
(07:50):
base done with you? I mean, I know you were
you were elected by the delegates, but but but do
you agree with that assessment that your base is done
with you.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
We got so many people I have reached out during
this whole thing, and they're like, hey, we know exactly
what you're doing. We stand with you. This is I mean,
this is not a you know the base is done.
This is this is this is just your your your
I've made an un player unclear tweet, right, and so
now I'm clear, I'm clearing enough. I'm the most accessible politician.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I think we have in the entire state.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I do town halls, we do roundtables. I come on
shows like this.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I let you ask me any question.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I've never told you guys you can't ask me about
this or and every time you asked.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Me to come on, I come on. So when itists,
when they're.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Saying, well he does, he's not accountable, I'm like, well,
show me another politician who's willing to engage and talk
to people like I do. And I want to hear people.
I don't just get myself an echo chambers. I love
going outside the echo chamber and hearing good pushback and hammer.
I love that you're pushing.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Back on this.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
This is how we actually have good, honest dialogue and
we get somewhere. But for years we've said, don't talk
about politics, don't talk about religion, and I think that's
why we're in the boat we're in.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
So I'm I'm breaking that mold and.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Say no, talk about it, and if you have an issue.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
With me, tell me and we'll discuss it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
If I'm wrong, I'll change, But you got to show me,
get proved to.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Me that I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Jetty with Micah beckwith Lieutenant governor here in Indiana. Micah,
I asked you this question the last time you joined us,
about a month ago. I'm going to ask it again.
Is there a grand jury investigation into any sort of
activities from your office?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I've not heard one ounce of that actually being true.
I mean, we don't know if grand jury's are going
on or not. I'm not going to say it's not happening,
but I have not heard that whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So if it is, it's it's unbeknownst to me.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Do they not tell you if it's your office? This
is a question I don't know the answer. If they're
looking out of your office, shouldn't you know?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I don't know how the prosecutor's office works. But I
don't think they would tell you. I think that's the
whole point of a grand jury, which is is like
it's stay secret and they you know, they're kind of
doing everything, which I'm not.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
A big fan of that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I think you're accused of come forward, by the way,
and they should tell you for sure. But I just
know how grand juries work, and typically you don't know
what's going on behind the scenes. But to this day,
we still can't find any proof that any of that happened.
And if it did happen, I said this all along,
We're going to bring the hammer down on the people
that were behind this, but you've got to show me proof.
(10:19):
You're not guilty until proven innocent. You're innocent proven guilty,
and so that's just I've been very clear, like you
got to bring.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Proof, and nobody has. So far.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We can't even find the videos so called video.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
We can't.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I can't find anyone who's even seen the video. So
I mean, like there's no proof, and I'm not just
gonna wrap everything to my office for a baseless allegation.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No, And I understand that. I think there are a
couple of different angles to that story. Like I have
no idea if the video exists or not. That was
kind of the crux of this thing. But also I've
heard from people that may or may not have spoken
to a grand jury. So like that's kind of the
reason why I've asked you the second time in a
month here, because again I don't know how it works.
(11:00):
I would feel like if this were the office of
Jason Hammer and somebody that works in my office is
talking to a grand jury, I should probably be aware
of that, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yeah, and never may well be the case.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I mean, I can't tell you who's talked to who.
I mean, I'm not privy to all these conversations of
different people involved. And quite frankly, listen, if I'm the
prosecutor of Marion County, I'm going to look into this,
like I think it's right for a prosecutor to do
their new diligence because this is a really egregious allegation.
If this is happening, I mean, this is going to
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be a continued problem for future generations. How we have
deep fakes coming out and we should put the hand
down on it and clamp.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Down on that now. And so listen, I'm.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
All for the prosecutor you know, looking into this and
making sure that there isn't any there there. But again,
we just it's been a month now and I can't
find any proofs that this has happened.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Nobody's seen the video, nobody's you.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Know again, I can't even find anyone who has seen
the video. And so that's that's to me where I'm like, Okay, well,
this has been around for four months now, the video
supposedly has been out there and nobody's seen it.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Like, I just don't I don't buy that.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Hey, last thing here before we let you go, and again,
thank you so much for taking the time here. Are
you enjoying this run as the lieutenant governor? Is this
something you want to do again? Do you want a
second term? If it came to that.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Well, I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Listen, even the arrows that come, the criticisms that come.
This is what I signed up for. And I love America.
I love this state. I love having hard conversations. I
got so frustrated over the last five six years nobody
was willing to have the hard conversations in the public arena,
and I just I'm done with this. I want hard conversations.
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I want somebody to get in there and shake things up.
And that's what I feel like I'm doing. I'm not
running for reelection. This is not I'm not thinking like, hey,
what can I.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Do to win reelection.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
What I'm doing is what can I do to serve
the people of Indiana. If God opens the door for
another term, praise God, I'll walk through it. If he
doesn't praise God, then he doesn't do it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I don't. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I'm saying what I care about is the people, and
I want to have these conversations. I feel like nobody's
had the courage really in the public arena to start
at start talking. And I feel like I am so
you know that's that's that's my goal. And I do
genuinely love it. Like the people are awesome, even these
town halls like where the people come out the radical left.
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It I just I love even those people that are
against me, because gosh, people are engaging and I feel
like that's a good thing for all of us.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Michaeh, we appreciate the time. Thank you so much for
joining us.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Man. Thanks, guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
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Speaker 1 (13:54):
Maybe even bring back a segment call to ask a
brit Yes, maybe we can do that into callar roulette.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Mix it all and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
What we're talking about, we'll explain.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.
Hello, when it was an Igel Jason Hammers. Here goes
straight to the hotline and bring on the number two
in charge here in the state of Indiana, Lieutenant Governor
Micah Beck with Micah, thank you for coming on. One
of my favorite quotes I've seen in the past couple
of days, I think, and I'm paraphrasing here is in
the Indie Star you mentioned that the media can decide
if you're a radical right wing Christian nationalist or an
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open borders leftist.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Which one is mine?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Do you have to choose right now?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Listen, I am still very much on the America first.
I would consider myself right. I'm not a moderate leftist.
I believe in traditional American values and part of that
is making sure that we have secure borders. And I've
been speaking out against the abuse of the TPS, the
temporary Protected status of the Haitians for a number of
(00:53):
years now. Biden did this to us. This is Biden's
problem that he created. Trump's doing a great job trying
to clean it up, and that you know that post
was just totally misconstrued and taken out of context, and
people start saying, oh, you're a you know, you're a
radical leftist you and open voters. I'm like, go back
to look at my record. I've been very clear and
I've stood strong, and nothing's changed.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Was it taken out of context, Micah? Or did you
do a crappy job of writing it? Because I'll be
honest when I read it the first time.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Want you read it, I'm gonna read it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Here it is, word for word.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yesterday, I sat with Haitian pastors from Marion County. Their
people have endured earthquakes and violence, and now more than
forty thousand are seeking asylum here in Indiana. We spoke
about barriers of language and culture, while also discussing the
power of faith and family. What I saw was not
a community asking for a handout, but people determined to
(01:48):
work hard, raise their children to become contributors to the
Great Hoo's your state, and assimilate to the American way
of life. So, Micah, I took that as forty thousand
making asylum, and you talk about assimilating to the Great
Hoosier State. I can see why people would take that
the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Oh, one hundred percent. It was an unclear post.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I mean, listen, I don't say everything perfectly and I've
said that. We put out a clarifying statement to say, hey,
we're not advocating for forty thousand to come. This is
not what we said. They're already here. They were here
brought here by Biden, and then Eric Holcomb brought them
in as well, and so, and I spoke out against
that very adamantly. But I was meeting with these pastors
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to say, you guys have a job to do. While
you're here under the temporary status. You assimilate to.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Our values, not the other way around.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm getting sick and tired of seeing all of our
culture stripped away when we have all of these different
immigrants coming in saying you've got to respect our way
of life now because we're in your land. It's like, no,
you came to America, you respect the American value system.
And that's what I was telling these pastors to do.
And I was saying, hey, don't expect to hand out
you're not getting a now. We're not going to teach
your kids, you know, English and public schools. You should
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be teaching them English in your church. We're not going
to feed your kids. You should be feeding them.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
From your church.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So I'll speaking to them as a pastor and saying
assimilation while you're here is a must. Don't come in
and start to you know, start to push, uh, you know,
my way of life into our culture. So that's really
what it was. But yeah, there's a poorly worded post.
I absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Mike good when you say speaking as a pastor, and
it comes from the official Lieutenant Governor Micah Beckwith's social
media account. I think we kind of get into that
gray area of religion and church and state, and I
think that's where a lot of people get squorely.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I mean, hey, so I'm a pastor. I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna shy away from that.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I'm a pastor. And and by the way, my faith
is my identity. We don't tell somebody who's LGBTQ.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You know, Hey, you can't be lgbt LGBTQ when you're
a politician. Why do I have to sacrifice my faith
and put my check my identity at the door. And
it's for some reason, it's like it's not okay to
be a pastor in a politician, but everything else. You
can be a business leader and the politician you can
be able to BETQ and a politician. You can be
everything else in the world, but when it comes to
your faith and I'm a pastor, everyone says you need
(04:10):
to check that at the door.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But there's different rules for the government though than business. Micah,
Oh that house so like the separation of church and
state by elected officials.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Hammer you are so wrong on it. That show me
the Constitution where it says separation in church and state.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Okay, Okay, I don't have it right in front of
me right now, but I know there's a lot of
people that feel like this is like the gray area
right Like, I'm rooting for you. I want you to
do well, but I need the lieutenant governor, Micah Beckworth.
I don't need the pastor. You're not my pastor. So
the religious aspect of this, that's what I think a
lot of people are like, hold on here, just I
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appreciate your faith, but we got to focus on business
at hand right here. And this tweet, this Facebook post,
whatever it was, came out wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So we are suffering from depression, anxiety, anxieties to side, poverty, disease,
all of these things that God has said how to
deal with in his word, and so you don't want
a pastor right now to help deal with this. I
think that's a problem with America. We push faith out
of our community, and I'm saying, bring it back in,
and you need pastors to.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Step up and do that.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I want we don't tell a business owner when when
the economic you know, the prowess of a state goes away.
We saw Mitch Daniels come in. He said, I'm a
business guy. I understand business, and I'm going to get
our state back into the right alignment when it comes
to business, and we're going to balance the books. And
he did that as a business guy. What I'm seeing
is is the moral degradation of our society. And I'm saying,
(05:36):
I'm a pastor, I know morality, i know what God
says about morality, and I'm going to come into this
and we're going to fix it from this perspective now.
So I think it's totally appropriate to bring faith into
this environment.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I'm not going to change. I mean, that's who I am.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Sure And just for the sake of transparency, Mike, for
our audience. In Indiana, the separation of church and state
is a principle derived from the First Amendment of the
US Constitution and Indiana's own constitution.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
No show me, okay, read the First Amendment? Does it
say separation in the Church and State?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Article one of Indiana's Constitution. Listen, this is gonna take forever.
I'm gonna post it online. I'll share it to you
later because I got to hear other stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I teach this stuff, Ammer, It's not there. What you're
referring to is the establishment clause that Congress will make
no law respecting the establishment of religion. But you know
the same guys who wrote that, do you know what
the state constitutions? The first thirteen State Constitution said, you
can't run for office unless you make a public declaration
of faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior
to be able to run for office. The same guys
who wrote the state constitutions wrote the US Constitution. All
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they were saying is, we don't want the federal government
telling us to do it, but we expect the states
to make sure that you have godly people who understand
the moral law of the creator of heaven and Earth
to dictate how to govern society. So they were not
saying faith is separate. They were saying faith is absolutely imperative.
George Washington said, you can't rightly govern without God in
(06:55):
the Bible.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
You can't have faith in you can't.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Have a free society with That's what our founders are
saying is so we got away from that hammer.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
That's why everything's falling apart.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I saw some interesting criticism of you, Lieutenant Governor Micah
Beck with here in the Hammer in Nigel Show from
some local independent reporters. The Indie Reporter, I think he
like retweeted somebody that was actually that was defending you
in your posts there. But they were saying, Micah is
being a smart ass to everyone that questions him about this.
(07:28):
Micah isn't doing himself any favors by deleting posts. Micah
is still lacking accountability and acting like he's a victim
on all this. At this point, most of Micah's base
is done with him. The only people that are left
are the Boomer cohns that think he can do no wrong.
It's kind of a condoluted thing, like like is your
(07:50):
base done with you? I mean, I know you were
you were elected by the delegates, but but but do
you agree with that assessment that your base is done
with you.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
We got so many people I have reached out during
this whole thing, and they're like, hey, we know exactly
what you're doing. We stand with you. This is I mean,
this is not a you know the base is done.
This is this is this is just your your your
I've made an un player unclear tweet, right, and so
now I'm clear, I'm clearing enough. I'm the most accessible politician.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I think we have in the entire state.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I do town halls, we do roundtables. I come on
shows like this.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I let you ask me any question.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I've never told you guys you can't ask me about
this or and every time you asked.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Me to come on, I come on. So when itists,
when they're.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Saying, well he does, he's not accountable, I'm like, well,
show me another politician who's willing to engage and talk
to people like I do. And I want to hear people.
I don't just get myself an echo chambers. I love
going outside the echo chamber and hearing good pushback and hammer.
I love that you're pushing.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Back on this.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
This is how we actually have good, honest dialogue and
we get somewhere. But for years we've said, don't talk
about politics, don't talk about religion, and I think that's
why we're in the boat we're in.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
So I'm I'm breaking that mold and.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Say no, talk about it, and if you have an issue.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
With me, tell me and we'll discuss it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
If I'm wrong, I'll change, But you got to show me,
get proved to.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Me that I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Jetty with Micah beckwith Lieutenant governor here in Indiana. Micah,
I asked you this question the last time you joined us,
about a month ago. I'm going to ask it again.
Is there a grand jury investigation into any sort of
activities from your office?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I've not heard one ounce of that actually being true.
I mean, we don't know if grand jury's are going
on or not. I'm not going to say it's not happening,
but I have not heard that whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So if it is, it's it's unbeknownst to me.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Do they not tell you if it's your office? This
is a question I don't know the answer. If they're
looking out of your office, shouldn't you know?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I don't know how the prosecutor's office works. But I
don't think they would tell you. I think that's the
whole point of a grand jury, which is is like
it's stay secret and they you know, they're kind of
doing everything, which I'm not.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
A big fan of that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I think you're accused of come forward, by the way,
and they should tell you for sure. But I just
know how grand juries work, and typically you don't know
what's going on behind the scenes. But to this day,
we still can't find any proof that any of that happened.
And if it did happen, I said this all along,
We're going to bring the hammer down on the people
that were behind this, but you've got to show me proof.
(10:19):
You're not guilty until proven innocent. You're innocent proven guilty,
and so that's just I've been very clear, like you
got to bring.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Proof, and nobody has. So far.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We can't even find the videos so called video.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
We can't.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I can't find anyone who's even seen the video. So
I mean, like there's no proof, and I'm not just
gonna wrap everything to my office for a baseless allegation.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No, And I understand that. I think there are a
couple of different angles to that story. Like I have
no idea if the video exists or not. That was
kind of the crux of this thing. But also I've
heard from people that may or may not have spoken
to a grand jury. So like that's kind of the
reason why I've asked you the second time in a
month here, because again I don't know how it works.
(11:00):
I would feel like if this were the office of
Jason Hammer and somebody that works in my office is
talking to a grand jury, I should probably be aware
of that, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yeah, and never may well be the case.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I mean, I can't tell you who's talked to who.
I mean, I'm not privy to all these conversations of
different people involved. And quite frankly, listen, if I'm the
prosecutor of Marion County, I'm going to look into this,
like I think it's right for a prosecutor to do
their new diligence because this is a really egregious allegation.
If this is happening, I mean, this is going to
(11:31):
be a continued problem for future generations. How we have
deep fakes coming out and we should put the hand
down on it and clamp.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Down on that now. And so listen, I'm.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
All for the prosecutor you know, looking into this and
making sure that there isn't any there there. But again,
we just it's been a month now and I can't
find any proofs that this has happened.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Nobody's seen the video, nobody's you.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Know again, I can't even find anyone who has seen
the video. And so that's that's to me where I'm like, Okay, well,
this has been around for four months now, the video
supposedly has been out there and nobody's seen it.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Like, I just don't I don't buy that.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Hey, last thing here before we let you go, and again,
thank you so much for taking the time here. Are
you enjoying this run as the lieutenant governor? Is this
something you want to do again? Do you want a
second term? If it came to that.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Well, I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Listen, even the arrows that come, the criticisms that come.
This is what I signed up for. And I love America.
I love this state. I love having hard conversations. I
got so frustrated over the last five six years nobody
was willing to have the hard conversations in the public arena,
and I just I'm done with this. I want hard conversations.
(12:44):
I want somebody to get in there and shake things up.
And that's what I feel like I'm doing. I'm not
running for reelection. This is not I'm not thinking like, hey,
what can I.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Do to win reelection.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
What I'm doing is what can I do to serve
the people of Indiana. If God opens the door for
another term, praise God, I'll walk through it. If he
doesn't praise God, then he doesn't do it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I don't. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I'm saying what I care about is the people, and
I want to have these conversations. I feel like nobody's
had the courage really in the public arena to start
at start talking. And I feel like I am so
you know that's that's that's my goal. And I do
genuinely love it. Like the people are awesome, even these
town halls like where the people come out the radical left.
(13:26):
It I just I love even those people that are
against me, because gosh, people are engaging and I feel
like that's a good thing for all of us.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Michaeh, we appreciate the time. Thank you so much for
joining us.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Man. Thanks, guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's what jenet Governor Micah Beck with. If you want
to react to that jump on the YouTube chat. You
can tweet at us at Hammer and Nigel Facebook, Instagram.
It's all there. We're gonna do some caller roulette a
little bit later on, right around five thirty.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Maybe even bring back a segment call to ask a
brit Yes, maybe we can do that into callar roulette.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Mix it all and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
What we're talking about, we'll explain.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.
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