October 27, 2025 • 13 mins
Guy Relford, "The Gun Guy," talks about a bomb threat his law office received over the weekend and a special interview he had. You can listen to that here
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only way to bag a classy lady is to
give her two tickets to the gun show Monday Gun
Day with the gun just watch out with the guns
they'll get guy. Stop calling your arms. Gun Guy Ralford
filling in for hammer On Nigel. Guy Ralford to a
attorney license fire arms instructor. How are you man?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I am great and thanks as always to our sponsor
for Monday Gun Day. That's Premiere Arms in Brownsburg with
the largest selection of new, used and historic firearms in
the Midwest and PA Jewelers located in the farmhouse right
out front. Check them out at thirty seven and fifty
four South Green Street in Brownsburg. Or Premiere Arms dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Beautiful day yesterday it was you and your wife had
tickets to the Colts game. Yep, get downtown. Did you
have did you go to lunch? Did you get a
drink beforehand?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh? Absolutely, man, we had. Uh we went to Harry
and Izzy's.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, and staple from my wife and I when we
go before Colts game.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Absolutely, and I usually get the file a sliders, but
I branched out and got their steakburger.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Was the best. But I've never had the burger that
steak burger.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh, but my wife talked me into that because she says, is.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It like a smash burger kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's a juicy burger and and it tastes like steak.
Maybe you can tell they make it out of really
nice cuts of meat. And but no, Harry and iszies Man,
those full age sliders are still on my death row meal.
We've talked about that before.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So you go to the game. Yeah, a tremendous day
for a game. Beautiful, beautiful day for a cults. I
think they should have had the roof open, but that's
just me. So you get home, you're relaxing, You get
into bed, you're watching football. I do this with my wife.
I get into bed to watch TV. You no shame
in that, you know, not at all. It's hard, a
little harder to do with kids and a little five
(01:41):
month old puppy.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So you get a ring, it's your doorbell, and I'll
let you take it from there.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah. Yeah, like you said, we had a great evening
and watched the Colts win and and hung out downtown
a little bit and got home and yeah, I get
a notification there's someone at my front door and then
the doorbell rings, and so I look at the camera
on the ring doorbell and there are two signs police
officers on my doorstep on my front porch. And you know,
(02:10):
I have adult kids. I mean, you know, police officers
come into your house at nine thirty at night. That's scary.
Gets some bad news for it. Yeah, yeah, you don't
know what they're going to say. And so I go
out there and it turned out to be two great guys,
a sergeant of patrolman from ZPD and and the reason
they were there though, is they'd gotten a call from
Carmel Police Department because there was another bomb thread at
(02:34):
my office in Carmel. It's just bizarre to me on
a Sunday night and there's nobody there. I mean, the
tattoo shop that's right next to me is closed down,
the California Closets on the other side of me is closed.
There's nobody in the building. And so there was a threat.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And you didn't know up until that point at the
Colts game or at your house that there had been
a indeed a bomb thread.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
No, And in fact, I was kind of, you know,
out of contact with social media and whatnot because I
wasn't paying attention. I had my phone in my pocket.
We'd been to the game and having a great conversation
with my wife. I had looked at my phone. Turns
out Carmel PD had called me just to say, hey,
we had a a a nine to one one call
with a bomb thread at your office and we couldn't
get ahold of you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So there office specifically, Yeah, the guy.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Mentioned my office. He said, I'm outside the law office
of Guy Ralford and Carmel and I've planted a bomb
and I'm going to blow this building up. And Carmel
PD tried to call me and i'n answered the phone
just because.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I didn't know. It doesn't show up at Carmel PD, right, yeah,
well no it it just showed up as a three
one seven number.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Sure. And so then after I talked to ZPD and
those guys were really great. I mean they were literally
there just to make sure I was okay.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So they showed up later that night at your doorstep.
Yeah you still not knowing that there had been a
bomb thread at your law office is at Carmel and
ZPD just checking on you.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So then I went listened to the message from the
CPD officer was lieutenant from CPD. And then listened to
his message and then called him and he gave me
some more detail and they and and and and then
I went out on social media and I saw where
it had been posted some of the people around these
these scanner sites that you know, listened to the scanner. Yeah,
and Carmel. I mean the they capped down the street,
didn't they Yeah, they closed down a couple of blocks
(04:14):
in every direction. They had the fire department out there.
They brought the dog out and swept the building with
a bomb sniffing dog. I mean they were, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
As about what time was the bomb threat, you.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Know, the bomb threat was I apparently seven ish and
then they finally sent ZBD to my house. It was
about nine to fifteen when those guys pulled up. And
this is my second bomb threat. I had one in
twenty twenty one, so you know, and and and listen.
I don't take this as any kind of real threat.
I think it's just some idiot with a phone. I'm
(04:43):
not real sure why they're targeting my law office. It
doesn't make any sense to this second one second one yeah,
twenty one and uh, but I do I think there's
really someone intent on, you know, planting a bomb or
doing anything else violent. No, it's some coward with a
and so. And when the officers even said, well, you
don't seem particularly concerned, and I said, well no, I
(05:04):
mean these are someone trying to quote unquote terrorize you.
You're only terrorized if you choose to allow them to
terrorize you. And I'm like, no, to hell with these people.
They're not doing anything. They're just an idiot with a.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Phone call that did they call the cops?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Call the cops one?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh? Okay, so they could. So the whoever called in the
bomb threat called nine one one? Were they able to
trace it? Do they have any idea where it came from?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Now? They couldn't get anything from the phone call, and
right now don't they. Yeah, when the call from twenty
twenty one said Kansas call, that's just what I said.
They came from somewhere in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I could be calling a calling from it anywhere in
the world with it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I mean, yeah, you get those, you get those spam
calls that are supposedly from science or Carmel and they're
obviously from India or from India exactly. So who knows.
I mean, I think it's getting harder and harder for
law enforcement to tract phone calls. But they didn't have
any apparent leads. But yeah, it was all news to
me until I'm I'm getting ready to hunker down watch
some Sunday night football and next thing you know, zpd's
ringing my doorbell.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Bless the ZPD.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh yeah, for thanks, and Carmel too. I mean, they
all just did a great job.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But so, there's a there's a camera, is it. There's
some sort of Google Earth camera in the middle of
the intersection where your office is located at. And then
the theory, the working theory for that first bomb threat
on your offices in twenty twenty one, was that somebody
could access that camera and just call from anywhere in
(06:28):
the world.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think you
nailed it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Nie.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
What it is. It's if people can look it up,
it's earthcam dot com earthcam. Yeah, it's his own, it's
not Yeah, it's it's not associated with Google, I don't think,
but it's earthcam dot com. You can go there and
just search for Carmel Indiana, and when you do that,
you bring up this camera, and they may have changed
the angle of the camera, but it used to be
when you brought it up. My sign that is mounted
(06:53):
on the front of the building where my office is
there at one south range line says law Office of
Guy Ralford, right in the foreground of the camera when
you bring it up at earthcam dot com. And I
really think it was somebody who knows it could be
in Rusher Zimbob Way or knows where it can or eleven. Yeah,
but I think I think they get it. They get
their jolly's out of phoning in something like this and
(07:15):
then watching the first responders show up and block off
the building and bring in the fire department and they
get They sit there and giggle like a bunch of
you know, teenage girls.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But you're telling me the cops can't trace that call
from nine to one to one, or they hadn't at
that point.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I've not heard of them being able to successfully trace
anything from twenty twenty one, and I don't know that
I have much hope they're going to do at this
time either. And that's not an insult, no, no, no, no, the cops,
I understand. I just think it's where we are with
technology these days. My name is Nigel Guy Ralford. Here
it's Monday, gun Day. I did want to ask you
about this interview that I heard you conduct on Saturday
(07:51):
during your show, The Dumb Guys Show, which is on
here Saturday's nine. Is it five to seven five or
seven five to seven? Right here in ninety three WIBC
who before we play this clip? Who is Barry Todd
and why were you talking to him? YEA, Barry Todd
is a guy about my age, a long military career,
retired after twenty one years as an army ranger. Then
(08:12):
built a very fine, very successful financial advisory firm and
registered to business all over the country. Uh, open multiple
offices all over the country. Then one night was out
with his wife, UH, just for a fun evening, having
some cocktails, singing karaoke. Some drunk, belligerent, big huge guy
starts making advances on on Barry's wife and at one
(08:33):
point Barry leave just go out to his car, actually
to get some Copenhagen. He's trying to come back in
the bar to rejoin his wife and this big drunk
guy won't let him in the bar, and and he's like,
what are you doing? I'm going back to New c wife.
I think he goes, no, she's mine man, using some
more color colorful language. Is an Arizona man, Yuma Arizona.
And they get into a scuffle and uh, and Barry
(08:57):
had a gun and they get into it with this
big guy who physically attacks him, broke his arm by
the way, broke Barry Todd's arm. He fights back with it,
eventually has his gun, gun goes off. The other guy
goes to the hospital. He survives. But it's a clear
case of self defense, you would think, after Berry's.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Attacking this in a drunk a hole. Yes, totally completely,
but not not that that's an excuse to use a firearm.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
But the whole thing's on video, which clearly substantiates self defense. Nonetheless,
Barry Todd is prosecuted. He's prosecuted for attempted murder and
two counts of aggravated battery. He goes through several years,
hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal expense
and expert witness expense and an investigator expense, and eventually
(09:49):
gets this thing dismissed. But he wrote a book and
it's called standrew Ground. One Man's self defense nightmare, and
he talks about how even when you're right, because of
an aggressive prosecutor who clearly was ignoring the law of
self defense in Arizona, they can absolutely destroy your life
even when you're innocent. And such a powerful message and
(10:09):
an important one, and it's very consistent with what I
teach in my classes all the time and have for
thirty years of how you don't want to get caught
up in one of these if you can avoid it,
because the system can just eat you up where they
accuse you of crimes that you really didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
My blood was boiling listening to it. It really pisses
you off. Whoever this prosecutor was, I'm sure has the
same agenda as of Ryan Meters type a prosecutor in
terms of guns and how in the world. What I
wanted to know, what I wanted to call in and
ask is like, you have the video, what more do
(10:47):
you need to know?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, get this they submitted. The prosecutor submits it to
a grand jury who and their job is to decide
whether there's probable cause to prosecute him for a crime. Right,
he submits it to a grand jury, argue about how
he committed the crimes of attempted murder and aggravated battery
never shows the grand jury the video of the actual
(11:10):
incident itself doesn't show him the video, and the jury
finds probable cause, having just heard one side of the
story and not having even seen the video of the event,
much less the video from inside the bar that shows
this guy being aggressive and basically following Barry around the
bar and bothering his wife and just instigating things from
(11:31):
the get go doesn't show the grand jury any of this.
The grand jury, not having seen all the relevant evidence,
finds probable cause. And now he's in the system. Man.
Now he's paying lawyers, paying investigators, paying expert witnesses, and
costs him an unbelievable amount of money.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Is that what this clip is talking about? Some of the.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Costs, some of the costs, but also some of the
lessons he learned.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The amount of dollars that we spent on this is astronomical.
And the lessons I learned. Number One, laws in the
state where you're carrying, and my wife and I were
licensed in about forty one states. And as soon as
you cross there, get an app on your phone, so
you know it. Number two, carry the insurance, carry good
(12:17):
self defense insurance. Number three, don't talk to the police.
Don't give it to them. I don't think it really
hurt me. But then again, just follow what the lawyers
tell you. You don't say nothing without your lawyer there. And
then number four, and this is the most important. Remember
the attorneys, the private eyes, the expert witnesses. They work
(12:41):
for you, all right, You're the one right in the
check no matter they're going to give you their opinion
that you do not always have to take it. And
you have to check their work and hold them accountable.
And if they have a problem with that, then you
probably need to fire them in the first place.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Where could go? Where can people? First of all, listen
to this inner He wrote a book, right.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He wrote a book called Standard Ground, One Man's Self
Defense Nightmare.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But you got to go back and listen to this
interview you did with this guy. It's a good interview. Interview.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It's posted on my page on WIBC. Go to WBC,
go to shows. Then the gun guy. It'll be that
we actually broke out his interview as a separate podcast.
You don't have to listen to the whole show. If
you don't want to, or the whole show's there if
you want to listen to that too, But the Berry
Todd interview we broke out separately, and then also you
can go if you're interested in buying his book. I
have no financial interest in this other than I read
(13:33):
the book and it's fascinating as somebody who carries a
gun every day. Is a must read. And it's called
Standard ground book dot com. You can go there, or
it's on Amazon
The only way to bag a classy lady is to
give her two tickets to the gun show Monday Gun
Day with the gun just watch out with the guns
they'll get guy. Stop calling your arms. Gun Guy Ralford
filling in for hammer On Nigel. Guy Ralford to a
attorney license fire arms instructor. How are you man?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I am great and thanks as always to our sponsor
for Monday Gun Day. That's Premiere Arms in Brownsburg with
the largest selection of new, used and historic firearms in
the Midwest and PA Jewelers located in the farmhouse right
out front. Check them out at thirty seven and fifty
four South Green Street in Brownsburg. Or Premiere Arms dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Beautiful day yesterday it was you and your wife had
tickets to the Colts game. Yep, get downtown. Did you
have did you go to lunch? Did you get a
drink beforehand?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh? Absolutely, man, we had. Uh we went to Harry
and Izzy's.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, and staple from my wife and I when we
go before Colts game.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Absolutely, and I usually get the file a sliders, but
I branched out and got their steakburger.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Was the best. But I've never had the burger that
steak burger.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh, but my wife talked me into that because she says, is.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It like a smash burger kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's a juicy burger and and it tastes like steak.
Maybe you can tell they make it out of really
nice cuts of meat. And but no, Harry and iszies Man,
those full age sliders are still on my death row meal.
We've talked about that before.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So you go to the game. Yeah, a tremendous day
for a game. Beautiful, beautiful day for a cults. I
think they should have had the roof open, but that's
just me. So you get home, you're relaxing, You get
into bed, you're watching football. I do this with my wife.
I get into bed to watch TV. You no shame
in that, you know, not at all. It's hard, a
little harder to do with kids and a little five
(01:41):
month old puppy.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So you get a ring, it's your doorbell, and I'll
let you take it from there.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah. Yeah, like you said, we had a great evening
and watched the Colts win and and hung out downtown
a little bit and got home and yeah, I get
a notification there's someone at my front door and then
the doorbell rings, and so I look at the camera
on the ring doorbell and there are two signs police
officers on my doorstep on my front porch. And you know,
(02:10):
I have adult kids. I mean, you know, police officers
come into your house at nine thirty at night. That's scary.
Gets some bad news for it. Yeah, yeah, you don't
know what they're going to say. And so I go
out there and it turned out to be two great guys,
a sergeant of patrolman from ZPD and and the reason
they were there though, is they'd gotten a call from
Carmel Police Department because there was another bomb thread at
(02:34):
my office in Carmel. It's just bizarre to me on
a Sunday night and there's nobody there. I mean, the
tattoo shop that's right next to me is closed down,
the California Closets on the other side of me is closed.
There's nobody in the building. And so there was a threat.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And you didn't know up until that point at the
Colts game or at your house that there had been
a indeed a bomb thread.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
No, And in fact, I was kind of, you know,
out of contact with social media and whatnot because I
wasn't paying attention. I had my phone in my pocket.
We'd been to the game and having a great conversation
with my wife. I had looked at my phone. Turns
out Carmel PD had called me just to say, hey,
we had a a a nine to one one call
with a bomb thread at your office and we couldn't
get ahold of you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So there office specifically, Yeah, the guy.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Mentioned my office. He said, I'm outside the law office
of Guy Ralford and Carmel and I've planted a bomb
and I'm going to blow this building up. And Carmel
PD tried to call me and i'n answered the phone
just because.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I didn't know. It doesn't show up at Carmel PD, right, yeah,
well no it it just showed up as a three
one seven number.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Sure. And so then after I talked to ZPD and
those guys were really great. I mean they were literally
there just to make sure I was okay.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So they showed up later that night at your doorstep.
Yeah you still not knowing that there had been a
bomb thread at your law office is at Carmel and
ZPD just checking on you.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So then I went listened to the message from the
CPD officer was lieutenant from CPD. And then listened to
his message and then called him and he gave me
some more detail and they and and and and then
I went out on social media and I saw where
it had been posted some of the people around these
these scanner sites that you know, listened to the scanner. Yeah,
and Carmel. I mean the they capped down the street,
didn't they Yeah, they closed down a couple of blocks
(04:14):
in every direction. They had the fire department out there.
They brought the dog out and swept the building with
a bomb sniffing dog. I mean they were, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
As about what time was the bomb threat, you.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Know, the bomb threat was I apparently seven ish and
then they finally sent ZBD to my house. It was
about nine to fifteen when those guys pulled up. And
this is my second bomb threat. I had one in
twenty twenty one, so you know, and and and listen.
I don't take this as any kind of real threat.
I think it's just some idiot with a phone. I'm
(04:43):
not real sure why they're targeting my law office. It
doesn't make any sense to this second one second one yeah,
twenty one and uh, but I do I think there's
really someone intent on, you know, planting a bomb or
doing anything else violent. No, it's some coward with a
and so. And when the officers even said, well, you
don't seem particularly concerned, and I said, well no, I
(05:04):
mean these are someone trying to quote unquote terrorize you.
You're only terrorized if you choose to allow them to
terrorize you. And I'm like, no, to hell with these people.
They're not doing anything. They're just an idiot with a.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Phone call that did they call the cops?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Call the cops one?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh? Okay, so they could. So the whoever called in the
bomb threat called nine one one? Were they able to
trace it? Do they have any idea where it came from?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Now? They couldn't get anything from the phone call, and
right now don't they. Yeah, when the call from twenty
twenty one said Kansas call, that's just what I said.
They came from somewhere in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I could be calling a calling from it anywhere in
the world with it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I mean, yeah, you get those, you get those spam
calls that are supposedly from science or Carmel and they're
obviously from India or from India exactly. So who knows.
I mean, I think it's getting harder and harder for
law enforcement to tract phone calls. But they didn't have
any apparent leads. But yeah, it was all news to
me until I'm I'm getting ready to hunker down watch
some Sunday night football and next thing you know, zpd's
ringing my doorbell.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Bless the ZPD.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh yeah, for thanks, and Carmel too. I mean, they
all just did a great job.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But so, there's a there's a camera, is it. There's
some sort of Google Earth camera in the middle of
the intersection where your office is located at. And then
the theory, the working theory for that first bomb threat
on your offices in twenty twenty one, was that somebody
could access that camera and just call from anywhere in
(06:28):
the world.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think you
nailed it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Nie.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
What it is. It's if people can look it up,
it's earthcam dot com earthcam. Yeah, it's his own, it's
not Yeah, it's it's not associated with Google, I don't think,
but it's earthcam dot com. You can go there and
just search for Carmel Indiana, and when you do that,
you bring up this camera, and they may have changed
the angle of the camera, but it used to be
when you brought it up. My sign that is mounted
(06:53):
on the front of the building where my office is
there at one south range line says law Office of
Guy Ralford, right in the foreground of the camera when
you bring it up at earthcam dot com. And I
really think it was somebody who knows it could be
in Rusher Zimbob Way or knows where it can or eleven. Yeah,
but I think I think they get it. They get
their jolly's out of phoning in something like this and
(07:15):
then watching the first responders show up and block off
the building and bring in the fire department and they
get They sit there and giggle like a bunch of
you know, teenage girls.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But you're telling me the cops can't trace that call
from nine to one to one, or they hadn't at
that point.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I've not heard of them being able to successfully trace
anything from twenty twenty one, and I don't know that
I have much hope they're going to do at this
time either. And that's not an insult, no, no, no, no, the cops,
I understand. I just think it's where we are with
technology these days. My name is Nigel Guy Ralford. Here
it's Monday, gun Day. I did want to ask you
about this interview that I heard you conduct on Saturday
(07:51):
during your show, The Dumb Guys Show, which is on
here Saturday's nine. Is it five to seven five or
seven five to seven? Right here in ninety three WIBC
who before we play this clip? Who is Barry Todd
and why were you talking to him? YEA, Barry Todd
is a guy about my age, a long military career,
retired after twenty one years as an army ranger. Then
(08:12):
built a very fine, very successful financial advisory firm and
registered to business all over the country. Uh, open multiple
offices all over the country. Then one night was out
with his wife, UH, just for a fun evening, having
some cocktails, singing karaoke. Some drunk, belligerent, big huge guy
starts making advances on on Barry's wife and at one
(08:33):
point Barry leave just go out to his car, actually
to get some Copenhagen. He's trying to come back in
the bar to rejoin his wife and this big drunk
guy won't let him in the bar, and and he's like,
what are you doing? I'm going back to New c wife.
I think he goes, no, she's mine man, using some
more color colorful language. Is an Arizona man, Yuma Arizona.
And they get into a scuffle and uh, and Barry
(08:57):
had a gun and they get into it with this
big guy who physically attacks him, broke his arm by
the way, broke Barry Todd's arm. He fights back with it,
eventually has his gun, gun goes off. The other guy
goes to the hospital. He survives. But it's a clear
case of self defense, you would think, after Berry's.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Attacking this in a drunk a hole. Yes, totally completely,
but not not that that's an excuse to use a firearm.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
But the whole thing's on video, which clearly substantiates self defense. Nonetheless,
Barry Todd is prosecuted. He's prosecuted for attempted murder and
two counts of aggravated battery. He goes through several years,
hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal expense
and expert witness expense and an investigator expense, and eventually
(09:49):
gets this thing dismissed. But he wrote a book and
it's called standrew Ground. One Man's self defense nightmare, and
he talks about how even when you're right, because of
an aggressive prosecutor who clearly was ignoring the law of
self defense in Arizona, they can absolutely destroy your life
even when you're innocent. And such a powerful message and
(10:09):
an important one, and it's very consistent with what I
teach in my classes all the time and have for
thirty years of how you don't want to get caught
up in one of these if you can avoid it,
because the system can just eat you up where they
accuse you of crimes that you really didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
My blood was boiling listening to it. It really pisses
you off. Whoever this prosecutor was, I'm sure has the
same agenda as of Ryan Meters type a prosecutor in
terms of guns and how in the world. What I
wanted to know, what I wanted to call in and
ask is like, you have the video, what more do
(10:47):
you need to know?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, get this they submitted. The prosecutor submits it to
a grand jury who and their job is to decide
whether there's probable cause to prosecute him for a crime. Right,
he submits it to a grand jury, argue about how
he committed the crimes of attempted murder and aggravated battery
never shows the grand jury the video of the actual
(11:10):
incident itself doesn't show him the video, and the jury
finds probable cause, having just heard one side of the
story and not having even seen the video of the event,
much less the video from inside the bar that shows
this guy being aggressive and basically following Barry around the
bar and bothering his wife and just instigating things from
(11:31):
the get go doesn't show the grand jury any of this.
The grand jury, not having seen all the relevant evidence,
finds probable cause. And now he's in the system. Man.
Now he's paying lawyers, paying investigators, paying expert witnesses, and
costs him an unbelievable amount of money.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Is that what this clip is talking about? Some of the.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Costs, some of the costs, but also some of the
lessons he learned.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The amount of dollars that we spent on this is astronomical.
And the lessons I learned. Number One, laws in the
state where you're carrying, and my wife and I were
licensed in about forty one states. And as soon as
you cross there, get an app on your phone, so
you know it. Number two, carry the insurance, carry good
(12:17):
self defense insurance. Number three, don't talk to the police.
Don't give it to them. I don't think it really
hurt me. But then again, just follow what the lawyers
tell you. You don't say nothing without your lawyer there. And
then number four, and this is the most important. Remember
the attorneys, the private eyes, the expert witnesses. They work
(12:41):
for you, all right, You're the one right in the
check no matter they're going to give you their opinion
that you do not always have to take it. And
you have to check their work and hold them accountable.
And if they have a problem with that, then you
probably need to fire them in the first place.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Where could go? Where can people? First of all, listen
to this inner He wrote a book, right.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He wrote a book called Standard Ground, One Man's Self
Defense Nightmare.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But you got to go back and listen to this
interview you did with this guy. It's a good interview. Interview.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It's posted on my page on WIBC. Go to WBC,
go to shows. Then the gun guy. It'll be that
we actually broke out his interview as a separate podcast.
You don't have to listen to the whole show. If
you don't want to, or the whole show's there if
you want to listen to that too, But the Berry
Todd interview we broke out separately, and then also you
can go if you're interested in buying his book. I
have no financial interest in this other than I read
(13:33):
the book and it's fascinating as somebody who carries a
gun every day. Is a must read. And it's called
Standard ground book dot com. You can go there, or
it's on Amazon
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