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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only way to bag a classy lady is to
give her two tickets to the gun show. It's Monday
Gun Day.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
With the gun Just.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Watch out with the guns. They'll get you.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Stop calling your arms gun show. It's a tradition unlike
any other. This time every Monday, we sit down with
the best two a attorney in all of America, firearms instructor,
attorney and host of the Gun Guys Show, Guy Ralford.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How are you, man? I am great, and thanks as
always to our sponsor for Monday Gun Day. That's Premiere
Arms in Brownsburg, the largest selection of new use and
historic firearms in the Midwest and Pa Drews located in
the farmhouse right out front. Check them out at three
seven and fifty four South Green Street in Brownsburg or
Premier Arms dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So we're gonna have a little retrospective about the year
and two a here in just a little bit. But
before we do that, we had some big news for
gun owners earlier this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, this is actually a big deal. There's been this
ridiculous lawsuit that has been pending for literally decades and
it's a city of Gary versus Glock and then a
whole bunch of other manufacturers where it's the City of
Gary filed this lawsuit many many years ago, saying that
it's not really Gary's fault that they have a crime problem.
(01:23):
It's gun manufacturers and dealer's fault they have a crime
problem in Gary.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Something the state of Illinois would say, it's not our
gang members, it's those evil two way supporters in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That is exactly right, and the people who actually produce
the firearms and sell the firearms. So for instance, you know,
if somebody drives drunk, you ought to be able to
sue Chevrolet. I mean literally, that's the theory. And so
the legislature has been trying to provide immunity from this
kind of silly lawsuit for a long long time. We
(01:57):
passed the state version of federally what we call the
Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, and it's an
immunity to say, if you lawfully sell a firearm or
lawfully manufacture and sell a firearm, and that firearm is
then used in a criminal act, then a person injured
(02:17):
by that can't sue you, or in this case, the
City of Gary can't sue on behalf of people who
have been injured by firearms. If what you did to
legally manufacture and or sell a firearm was legal when
you did it, it's then used in a criminal act,
you have immunity from any liability associated with that manufacturer
(02:38):
or sale. And most people when they hear that law,
they say, well, of course you do. I mean, who
wouldever file such a stupid lawsuit?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But unfortunately that files stupid lawsuits every.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Day, trust me absolutely. And that's why both at the
federal level in Indiana at the state level, we have
this immunity statute. And what's happened is the courts have
been reluctant to just throw this thing out. And so
the why is that?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Is it activist judges like anti gun judges, or is
there some other issue.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That's primarily it. I think it's mostly judges bending over
backwards to find some excuse to not dismiss the lawsuit.
They don't want to feel like they're sighting on behalf
of God forbid the Second Amendment, or you know, these
evil gun manufacturers and sellers, right, I mean, that's the
liberal view of things far too often. In addition, there
was an argument that the statute was passed with an
(03:34):
intent that to be applied retroactively, and that there's always
going to be a potential constitutional issue with that. But
this what the latest amendment did is it said, listen,
a lawsuit like this can potentially be filed, but only
by the state. The state can look at this and say,
hold on, someone's committing a legal activity within the state.
(03:55):
Somebody's hurting our taxpayers here, costing US care payments for instance,
potentially Medicaid. Therefore, the state can file the lawsuit, but
private parties or municipalities cannot. And that's what got this,
That's what had got this dismissed. Finally, it looks like
and listen, this is the Indiana Court of Appeals that
(04:15):
ruled this. So all they can do now is potentially
try to take it to the Indiana Supreme Court and
then I guess theoretically the US Supreme Court. But for now,
this silly lawsuit that's been hanging on by a thread
for a long long time, literally for decades, despite the
best efforts in the Indiana General Assembly to get rid
of it, has finally been dismissed. And it's been too
(04:37):
long coming, you.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Know, to the average person that doesn't have a law degree,
or anything like that. It seems ridiculous that frivolous lawsuits
and that's what I think. This was, a frivolous lawsuit
gets stuck in the court system for so long.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, and this went on. I mean literally, it's something
like thirty five forty years. Ridiculous. It's been a long
damn time. But that's even that even fed into it
because the argument has been, well, we filed the lawsuit
and then all these changes to the law happened. That
shouldn't apply to us. So the legislature has been trying
to work around that to protect lawfully. Again, people say, oh, no,
(05:16):
you know the evil sellers are knowingly selling guns to criminals, Well,
then it doesn't apply. It's only if you manufacture or
sell a gun legally do you have protection under this
statute that's being applied.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Here, legally being the key word, legally being the key word.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So the bad actors, you know, the gun shops that
want to sell to criminals or sell without background checks,
they have no protection from this. You have to legally,
you know. And again and and if is there a
more highly regulated industry than the gun industry, and you
know a gun shop you wouldn't believe the regulations these
people have to comply with. But unless you can tag
them off base on something that they did illegally, then
(05:53):
this statute provides them protection. And I'm really glad to
see the Indiana Court of Appeals ruled accordingly.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's Monday Gun Day with the gun guy, Guy Relford
here with us, all right, So as we get closer
to a brand new year, we're taking a look back.
We're looking back at the biggest stories in Indiana, the
biggest stories nationally, and with you being the two a expert,
let's take a look back at the biggest stories in
the world of the Second Amendment in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, I'll tell you what I think. The number one
thing is that with President Trump coming into office and
taking over in the White House, he undid a lot
of the executive orders that President Biden had put in place.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And some of these were the auto pen put into place, or.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
The auto great point that some unknown person, uh you know,
put President Biden's signature too. But and and and these
these may not have gotten a lot of fanfare, but
they were devastating to a lot of people, and especially
people in the gun industry. For instance, the Biden administration
announced what they were called they called their zero tolerance
(06:57):
policy for gun dealers. And this really relates to what
we were just talking about. But this has to do
with the idea that the Biden administration instructed the ATF
that regulates the gun industry to say, if you find
a gun dealer who has any minor transgression whatsoever, you know,
a document wasn't dated the right way, or the form
(07:20):
wasn't kept in the right form or kept in the
right chronological order, or otherwise consistent with federal regulations. We
have a zero tolerance policy now, and you should do
anything and everything you can do to put those gun
dealers out of business.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Where the hell was that badassory at the border when
cartels and drugs and gang members were coming across left
and right exactly right?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Or you know, more recently, you know medicaid medicare fraud, right,
I mean right? Where was the oversight? But what this
was it was just an excuse to try to put
lawful businesses out of business. And I had buddies who
owned gun shops to say, man, I'm thinking about, you know,
giving it up, because I have these people breathing down
my neck. It's like they're put me under a microscope
(08:02):
at every opportunity, trying to put me out of business.
And Trump, when he came in, issued executive orders that
completely undid that, and that's huge. In addition to the
Department of Justice, we went from having Kanala Harris in
charge of the so called White House Office of Gun
Violence Prevention, remember that. Oh yeah, So we had Kanala
(08:24):
and her underlings looking again at ways to attack lawful
gun nunners, attack the gun industry. That was disbanded again
in twenty twenty five. And instead President Trump created the
Second Amendment Task Force within the Department of Justice, and
it's their job now to go out and look for
opportunities to promote and protect the Second Amendment, and in fact,
(08:44):
here just recently pursue it. To that development, we had
the Department of Justice file its own lawsuit in the
District of Columbia seeking to have the DC gun ban
assault weapon ban quote unquote set aside unconstitutional. But so
think about this for a moment, and there have been
a lot of lawsuits across the country alleging that any
(09:07):
assault weapon ban quote unquote at the state level or
local level is unconstitutional. This one recently filed by the
Department of Justice. Just that it was filed by the
federal government. And think about how different that is than
the Biden administration or the Obama administration doing anything and
everything they could to attack your Second Amendment rights. Now
we actually have the United States Department of Justice filing
(09:29):
its own lawsuit to set aside an assault weapon ban.
That's huge. That's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And it seems like whenever you have these administrations or
groups that are hell bent on having gun control of subkind,
it has the adverse effect because more and more people
start saying, well, you know what, maybe I better go
get my firearm. Maybe you know, I've never had a
gun before, but I want to go get one now
(09:55):
because I don't like the way you guys are talking
over here. It feels like it backfires with and they
try to do this.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, well, and that's exactly what's happened, because we keep
setting records year after year after year for gun sales,
and that's been a trend for some time.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
It's continued, and these are legal. You know, everything's done right.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Gun sales well, because they're measured by background checks, performed
by the FBI as part of a gun sale. So
that's how they track them, is that they're legal sales.
And what's interesting is those numbers continue to go up
and up and up more and more states. We're up
to twenty nine, almost thirty. If North Carolina can overturn
a veto by their governor, will have thirty states that
(10:36):
have passed constitutional carry, which is permitless carry. And guess
what the murder rate is doing a year after year
here just recently, it keeps plummeting every year. In fact,
twenty twenty five maybe twenty percent lower than twenty twenty
four and set a record on per capita in terms
of the lowest murder rate we've seen when more and
(10:56):
more and more Americans not only are buying guns, but
they are carrying guns in public. What's that tell you?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
And now you've got liberal journalists, and we see this
here in Indiana trying to spin themselves into a pretzel, saying, well,
these justifiable homicides, they are still homicides, like we've seen
that here.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh they're bemoaning that. They're going, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
They would rather have you be murdered than defend yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, I mean I understand Ryan Mehers can't get a
conviction off a homicide because it turns out to be
a justifiable homicide. Well, why aren't we cheering that, saying,
wait a minute, the good guy won here. Why aren't
we happy that this innocent homeowner or innocent person on
the street, who was the intended victim of a violent
crime on the street. Why aren't we cheering the fact
(11:43):
that they won, right, and the bad guy's dead and
not the good guy? But yeah, you hear, you hear
people like Russ McQuaid and Ryan Meers bemoaning that fact,
when in fact, illegal homicides are plummeting because more Americans
and including more Hoosiers, have the legal capacity and the
legal right to defend themselves, including in public.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Come back for a quick segment, you bet Monday Gun
Day with the gun Guy. This is the hammer in
Nigel Show.
The only way to bag a classy lady is to
give her two tickets to the gun show. It's Monday
Gun Day.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
With the gun Just.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Watch out with the guns. They'll get you.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Stop calling your arms gun show. It's a tradition unlike
any other. This time every Monday, we sit down with
the best two a attorney in all of America, firearms instructor,
attorney and host of the Gun Guys Show, Guy Ralford.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How are you, man? I am great, and thanks as
always to our sponsor for Monday Gun Day. That's Premiere
Arms in Brownsburg, the largest selection of new use and
historic firearms in the Midwest and Pa Drews located in
the farmhouse right out front. Check them out at three
seven and fifty four South Green Street in Brownsburg or
Premier Arms dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So we're gonna have a little retrospective about the year
and two a here in just a little bit. But
before we do that, we had some big news for
gun owners earlier this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, this is actually a big deal. There's been this
ridiculous lawsuit that has been pending for literally decades and
it's a city of Gary versus Glock and then a
whole bunch of other manufacturers where it's the City of
Gary filed this lawsuit many many years ago, saying that
it's not really Gary's fault that they have a crime problem.
(01:23):
It's gun manufacturers and dealer's fault they have a crime
problem in Gary.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Something the state of Illinois would say, it's not our
gang members, it's those evil two way supporters in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That is exactly right, and the people who actually produce
the firearms and sell the firearms. So for instance, you know,
if somebody drives drunk, you ought to be able to
sue Chevrolet. I mean literally, that's the theory. And so
the legislature has been trying to provide immunity from this
kind of silly lawsuit for a long long time. We
(01:57):
passed the state version of federally what we call the
Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, and it's an
immunity to say, if you lawfully sell a firearm or
lawfully manufacture and sell a firearm, and that firearm is
then used in a criminal act, then a person injured
(02:17):
by that can't sue you, or in this case, the
City of Gary can't sue on behalf of people who
have been injured by firearms. If what you did to
legally manufacture and or sell a firearm was legal when
you did it, it's then used in a criminal act,
you have immunity from any liability associated with that manufacturer
(02:38):
or sale. And most people when they hear that law,
they say, well, of course you do. I mean, who
wouldever file such a stupid lawsuit?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But unfortunately that files stupid lawsuits every.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Day, trust me absolutely. And that's why both at the
federal level in Indiana at the state level, we have
this immunity statute. And what's happened is the courts have
been reluctant to just throw this thing out. And so
the why is that?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Is it activist judges like anti gun judges, or is
there some other issue.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That's primarily it. I think it's mostly judges bending over
backwards to find some excuse to not dismiss the lawsuit.
They don't want to feel like they're sighting on behalf
of God forbid the Second Amendment, or you know, these
evil gun manufacturers and sellers, right, I mean, that's the
liberal view of things far too often. In addition, there
was an argument that the statute was passed with an
(03:34):
intent that to be applied retroactively, and that there's always
going to be a potential constitutional issue with that. But
this what the latest amendment did is it said, listen,
a lawsuit like this can potentially be filed, but only
by the state. The state can look at this and say,
hold on, someone's committing a legal activity within the state.
(03:55):
Somebody's hurting our taxpayers here, costing US care payments for instance,
potentially Medicaid. Therefore, the state can file the lawsuit, but
private parties or municipalities cannot. And that's what got this,
That's what had got this dismissed. Finally, it looks like
and listen, this is the Indiana Court of Appeals that
(04:15):
ruled this. So all they can do now is potentially
try to take it to the Indiana Supreme Court and
then I guess theoretically the US Supreme Court. But for now,
this silly lawsuit that's been hanging on by a thread
for a long long time, literally for decades, despite the
best efforts in the Indiana General Assembly to get rid
of it, has finally been dismissed. And it's been too
(04:37):
long coming, you.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Know, to the average person that doesn't have a law degree,
or anything like that. It seems ridiculous that frivolous lawsuits
and that's what I think. This was, a frivolous lawsuit
gets stuck in the court system for so long.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, and this went on. I mean literally, it's something
like thirty five forty years. Ridiculous. It's been a long
damn time. But that's even that even fed into it
because the argument has been, well, we filed the lawsuit
and then all these changes to the law happened. That
shouldn't apply to us. So the legislature has been trying
to work around that to protect lawfully. Again, people say, oh, no,
(05:16):
you know the evil sellers are knowingly selling guns to criminals, Well,
then it doesn't apply. It's only if you manufacture or
sell a gun legally do you have protection under this
statute that's being applied.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Here, legally being the key word, legally being the key word.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So the bad actors, you know, the gun shops that
want to sell to criminals or sell without background checks,
they have no protection from this. You have to legally,
you know. And again and and if is there a
more highly regulated industry than the gun industry, and you
know a gun shop you wouldn't believe the regulations these
people have to comply with. But unless you can tag
them off base on something that they did illegally, then
(05:53):
this statute provides them protection. And I'm really glad to
see the Indiana Court of Appeals ruled accordingly.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's Monday Gun Day with the gun guy, Guy Relford
here with us, all right, So as we get closer
to a brand new year, we're taking a look back.
We're looking back at the biggest stories in Indiana, the
biggest stories nationally, and with you being the two a expert,
let's take a look back at the biggest stories in
the world of the Second Amendment in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, I'll tell you what I think. The number one
thing is that with President Trump coming into office and
taking over in the White House, he undid a lot
of the executive orders that President Biden had put in place.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And some of these were the auto pen put into place, or.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
The auto great point that some unknown person, uh you know,
put President Biden's signature too. But and and and these
these may not have gotten a lot of fanfare, but
they were devastating to a lot of people, and especially
people in the gun industry. For instance, the Biden administration
announced what they were called they called their zero tolerance
(06:57):
policy for gun dealers. And this really relates to what
we were just talking about. But this has to do
with the idea that the Biden administration instructed the ATF
that regulates the gun industry to say, if you find
a gun dealer who has any minor transgression whatsoever, you know,
a document wasn't dated the right way, or the form
(07:20):
wasn't kept in the right form or kept in the
right chronological order, or otherwise consistent with federal regulations. We
have a zero tolerance policy now, and you should do
anything and everything you can do to put those gun
dealers out of business.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Where the hell was that badassory at the border when
cartels and drugs and gang members were coming across left
and right exactly right?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Or you know, more recently, you know medicaid medicare fraud, right,
I mean right? Where was the oversight? But what this
was it was just an excuse to try to put
lawful businesses out of business. And I had buddies who
owned gun shops to say, man, I'm thinking about, you know,
giving it up, because I have these people breathing down
my neck. It's like they're put me under a microscope
(08:02):
at every opportunity, trying to put me out of business.
And Trump, when he came in, issued executive orders that
completely undid that, and that's huge. In addition to the
Department of Justice, we went from having Kanala Harris in
charge of the so called White House Office of Gun
Violence Prevention, remember that. Oh yeah, So we had Kanala
(08:24):
and her underlings looking again at ways to attack lawful
gun nunners, attack the gun industry. That was disbanded again
in twenty twenty five. And instead President Trump created the
Second Amendment Task Force within the Department of Justice, and
it's their job now to go out and look for
opportunities to promote and protect the Second Amendment, and in fact,
(08:44):
here just recently pursue it. To that development, we had
the Department of Justice file its own lawsuit in the
District of Columbia seeking to have the DC gun ban
assault weapon ban quote unquote set aside unconstitutional. But so
think about this for a moment, and there have been
a lot of lawsuits across the country alleging that any
(09:07):
assault weapon ban quote unquote at the state level or
local level is unconstitutional. This one recently filed by the
Department of Justice. Just that it was filed by the
federal government. And think about how different that is than
the Biden administration or the Obama administration doing anything and
everything they could to attack your Second Amendment rights. Now
we actually have the United States Department of Justice filing
(09:29):
its own lawsuit to set aside an assault weapon ban.
That's huge. That's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And it seems like whenever you have these administrations or
groups that are hell bent on having gun control of subkind,
it has the adverse effect because more and more people
start saying, well, you know what, maybe I better go
get my firearm. Maybe you know, I've never had a
gun before, but I want to go get one now
(09:55):
because I don't like the way you guys are talking
over here. It feels like it backfires with and they
try to do this.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, well, and that's exactly what's happened, because we keep
setting records year after year after year for gun sales,
and that's been a trend for some time.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
It's continued, and these are legal. You know, everything's done right.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Gun sales well, because they're measured by background checks, performed
by the FBI as part of a gun sale. So
that's how they track them, is that they're legal sales.
And what's interesting is those numbers continue to go up
and up and up more and more states. We're up
to twenty nine, almost thirty. If North Carolina can overturn
a veto by their governor, will have thirty states that
(10:36):
have passed constitutional carry, which is permitless carry. And guess
what the murder rate is doing a year after year
here just recently, it keeps plummeting every year. In fact,
twenty twenty five maybe twenty percent lower than twenty twenty
four and set a record on per capita in terms
of the lowest murder rate we've seen when more and
(10:56):
more and more Americans not only are buying guns, but
they are carrying guns in public. What's that tell you?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
And now you've got liberal journalists, and we see this
here in Indiana trying to spin themselves into a pretzel, saying, well,
these justifiable homicides, they are still homicides, like we've seen
that here.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh they're bemoaning that. They're going, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
They would rather have you be murdered than defend yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, I mean I understand Ryan Mehers can't get a
conviction off a homicide because it turns out to be
a justifiable homicide. Well, why aren't we cheering that, saying,
wait a minute, the good guy won here. Why aren't
we happy that this innocent homeowner or innocent person on
the street, who was the intended victim of a violent
crime on the street. Why aren't we cheering the fact
(11:43):
that they won, right, and the bad guy's dead and
not the good guy? But yeah, you hear, you hear
people like Russ McQuaid and Ryan Meers bemoaning that fact,
when in fact, illegal homicides are plummeting because more Americans
and including more Hoosiers, have the legal capacity and the
legal right to defend themselves, including in public.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Come back for a quick segment, you bet Monday Gun
Day with the gun Guy. This is the hammer in
Nigel Show.
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