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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kerry on Allay on side. They'll be delaying you, LAOLLI
read to rest, don't you cry?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
No, listen to the Hammer and let show.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I could have jumped in way earlier, but that's what
terrorists do. You don't interrupt the wayward sun. You just
let it ride.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm Jason Hammer, Big Nige's out guy, Relford the gun
guy filling in and let's go to the hotline.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Bring on, friend of the show.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And part of the morning show on our sister sports station,
Window seven five. The fan Kevin Bowen, so KB right
out of the gate here, million dollar question, Carly Orsay,
does she blow out either Ballard Steichen, either one or both?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
What do we think?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Well, I wish I had our conviction on that. I
would say this.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't know if I'm overwhelmingly holding my breath that
she will do something and.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
A lot of it, honestly.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sevens back to the trading guys in season when they
traded for Soardner and just the magnitude of what that
trade met for the organization.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
You basically said you believed.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
In Daniel Jones as your franchise quarterback, and you said
you believed in Chris Ballard and Chaine Stiken, and so
you know, two months later, do all of a sudden
you go.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Back on that.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's probably where I have a little bit of pause.
But I'm obviously there's ample evidence certainly to fire Ballard.
You can make a case for Stiking as well, especially
if you believe that you tie the GM the head
coach at the hit. It'd be you know, rather astonishing
and I'd be rather unprecedented to see a GM with
Ballards or resume give a ton to year.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
But I'm not holding my breath necessarily. They'll be ample changes.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, it feels like there are two different things at
play here, Kevin. There's the football perspective, there's the business perspective.
And football wise, you're right, maybe Carly did sign off
on that trade.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I would imagine she had to have done that.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And you don't have two first round picks, you don't
have a star quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Who do you bring in? That's better?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But just from a business perspective, I think they may
be at risk of losing the fan base if you
run it back one more time.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You see what I'm saying, Well, and I think business too,
Hammer I mean Sunday will be the eleventh year, eleven
year anniversary since their last home playoff game, I mean
eleven years ago. I didn't exercise on our morning each
the other day of going through all the sporting events
lucas Ol Stadium, Lucas Ol Stadium has had a swim
meet in it, you know, the last time the Colts
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hosted a home playoff game. Like you want to talk finances,
you want to talk you know, dollars and cents. I mean,
twenty five NFL teams have hosted a home playoff game
since the Colts last have, so I think that kind
of adds to the to the financial element of it.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
KB. When I heard that you were going to be
on and I was sitting in for Nigel today, the
first thing I thought of I couldn't wait to talk
to you is is were you at all surprised that
Philip Rivers still started the game yesterday after the Colts
were eliminated from the playoffs. A lot of people were
looking at that at the time. To put a healthy
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Riley Leonard in the game, get him some reps, get
him a little experience, and I'm not sure where Ar's
vision is and his health, but a lot of people
were saying, hey, yeah, when we still had a potential shot,
bringing in Rivers made some sense. But what was the
reason for him to play against Jacksonville yesterday after the
Colts were eliminated.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, it's a question. I feel that a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So basically, I think the thought was throughout the week,
once the Colts were officially eliminated.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
What was that seven thirty Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
At that point you are what you know, yeah, eighteen
hours twelve hours away from kickoff the next day. So
I understand sticking with Rivers. Not that the Colts had
ample practice time last week with the holiday, but you know,
practice wise and throughout meetings, you know, it was always
Rivers being the starter.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So I'm not maybe, as you know, whatever thought that they.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Should have changed it at the last second. Now for Sunday,
I don't need to see Philip Rivers and you know,
Rocky four or however you want to describe it here
running out there against the Houston Texans, you know, to
me to get the Richardson part of the question, I
think the vision limitations are real right now, and I
think there are some legit questions about how that would
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look in a game setting, and not to mention, it's
the number one ranked defense in the NFL, so I
think that is more at play here. Yes, do I
think the Colts are largely or Shane Second is largely
probably done with them.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, that's probably fair as well.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But I do think the actual you know, orbital injury
impacting his vision, all of that is a real serious element.
But it is time to see Riley Leonard, particularly.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
If Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
If you are going to run it back and you
think Daniel Jones is going to be ready early in
the season, there's no guarantee he's ready for Week one.
You could need Riley Leonard in the month of September
next year. Potentially it starts some games. So I think
it'd be you know, good for him to get his
first NFL start coming up on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Now you mentioned Daniel Jones. What infrontation do you have
on his contract situation? Right, because he was just under
a one year contract for this year then blew the Achilles.
You think that could bring him back signing for another
year next year.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I think again, assuming they bring everybody back, I
think that's where signs are pointing obviously the financial hit
that he took, you know, once he went down, that
injury was rather significant, you know, millions, I would assume dollars, So,
you know, I think it's probably impacted the length of
the contract again, certainly how much money annually he would get.
But I would assume Daniel Jones is your quarterback here
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for twenty twenty six down.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
If you blow it up, I mean, who the hell knows.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, at that point, you know, no one's safe, frankly,
but if they bring this back, I would think that
Daniel Jones will be the guy for the vast majority
of next season.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And Kevin, I was listening to your program this morning.
You make a great point. There's really no reason to
just blow it up, Tank because you don't have the
number one pick. You don't have your first round pick
next year at all. So you might as well say, look,
we got a pretty good running back. We feel like
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he's one of the best in the league. We've got
a pretty good guard, We've got a really good rookie
tight end here. Let's just try to patch things up
and see what can happen. Is that where we're at
with this franchise.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, I think that would be the thought process in
running it back for next season. I don't necessarily agree
with that, to be clear, but I think internally that
could be the thought process because you know, again you
are banking basically the col You know people that are saying, hey,
running back or whatever, they are talking this up to
some injuries. Well, I mean Daniel Jones going off the
torn achilles, the Forest Buckner needed next surgery at the
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age of thirty. I don't like next in surgeries in
thirty year olds in football.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
That is just not a great combination.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Taveri's ward is dealt with three concussions in the last
year and has had a slew of just frankly tragic
off the field stuff happened to him as well. That's
just a lot to be banking on. You know, one
eighties for example, happening. And you know, as much as
we play this game in this market, what do you
think they're saying in Kansas City about their quarterback. What
do you think they're saying in Cincinnati about their quarterback?
What do you think they're saying in Baltimore about their quarterback.
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I mean, three teams that very well could miss the playoffs.
Two of them are definitely out. And they all have
quarterbacks that have you know, played you know, deep into
the playoffs and in Super Bowls and won super Bowls,
and you know, they all will probably be saying a
similar you know tune if you will. So that's why
I just don't think it's a stap of your fingers
and then boom them all of a sudden, you know,
the resume of you know again, no division titles in
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eleven years, no playoff wins in eight years, no playoff
appearances in five years, all of a sudden, it's going
to stop.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Kevin.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
We talk a lot about Chris Ballard and how, for
whatever reason he has been able to survive. He's been
a survivor despite not really winning much. Here, let's look
at Shane Steichen here at the beginning of this year,
the offense was clicking, everybody was happy, but it was
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such a major meltdown down the stretch. You had the
overtime situation in Kansas City. Uh, some of the decision
making that stike In makes. Is he on the hot
seat along with Ballard?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah? You know, oftentimes you tie the GM and the
head coach together, but their resumes are vastly different in
terms of years. It's a nine for Ballard, three for
Psych and so.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I think that's what makes it difficult, Like if.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You're handing out individual gradeseach, I think Ballard gets the
worst grade than Psych and not that Psychan gets this,
you know, overwhelmingly great grade. I guess if you want
to look at Shane's resume, it's three years, it's a
five hundred record at this point, exactly twenty five and
twenty five. Certainly the quarterback situation has an awful whole
lot of favor. Some of that is his own doing,
some of that is not. And if you look at
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specifically within the division, you know, he's two and nine
against Houston Jacksonville and that's.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
A really kind of sore eye for me.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
When you look at Houston and and and Jacksonville, don't
look at them. It's necessarily the you know, the class
of the NFL by any means. So again, I you know,
I am probably a little bit more in the If again,
trying them at the hip is probably the way to go.
But if not, I think the ballot resume is much
uglier than the Psychen resume. But we don't have a
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lot of arranged marriages, if you will in the NFL
that work out, and the arranged marriage would be you're
bringing a new GM and say hey, here's your head coach.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You know, maybe bring the new GM and you say, hey,
evaluate this guy. But it just it rarely works out.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So that's where I do have some questions about exactly, again,
how willing are they to really really blow it up
and exactly what will a week from Monday look like.
Do they just use the same letter that they used
last year when they said, running back.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
One more thing here before you let you go?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Guy, go ahead. I was just going to say, isn't
it also a factor in terms of blowing it up?
I think I think a team is less inclined to
blow it up when you don't have a first round
draft pick for the next two years, because when you
blow it up, what are you replacing it with in
terms of personnel, you know, for whoever you would bring in,
both as coach and as general manager. I just think
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that gets that gets tough when your prospects down the
road are so limited by having lost those two picks.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It's certainly a less than advantageous situation. But at the
end of the day, there's thirty two of these, and yes,
it does it help to have the first round picks.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Certainly, I'm not going to deny that. But you know what,
if you wanted to, you could take some of the
pieces on this.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Roster right now, with them beloved colts frankly that have
been here for a while, and you could trade them
and potentially add.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
To a few more of those picks.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
To me, like all of a sudden, sitting here and saying, well,
you bring everybody back, because it'd be the disservice to
a new end because you didn't you don't have first
round picks, I'm kind of like, well, that's that's.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
A little bit of an odd way to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, if Iral Chris Ballard and that trade was
presented to me two months back, i would say, I'm
doing this trade one hundred times out of one hundred.
If it's going to guarantee me jobs security because it
ham strings the guy after me, then of course I'm
gonna do this trade because.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
It's going to get me in two to three years.
Even if it doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Out, and right now, you know, due to injury, the
trade hasn't worked out, So again, I understand it's maybe
a little bit of a disservice to the next person,
But at the same time, I don't think that also
means it's an endorsement on the current guy that he should,
you know, have one in the pro column if you will,
making the pros and the cont.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
List and Riley Leonard hearing chatter he might get to
start Sunday.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Is that what we're looking at?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Boy? That is my assumption.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
But hammer when I spoke about that on the morning
show today and then listen to Shane psych in this
afternoon in his press conference, I don't know, it seemed
like the door is a little bit open to Philip Rivers.
I don't know if he was trying to do the
you know, nice thing on the way out the door,
but it definitely sounded like Shane was a little bit
more open to that, and it almost sounded like it's
a conversation that maybe Rivers needed to have, which I
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don't necessarily think that's the way to go.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So I'm a little more torn. I assume it was
going to be Leonard, but little bit more torn after
listening to Shane.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Sounds like decision will come tomorrow and we'll see exactly
who it's going to be. Like I said earlier, I
don't think we need to see the Philip Rivers thing.
Hell of a movie, inspirational all of it. But there's
a reason why the Rocky movies got worse.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Man, If I'm about forty four year old quarterback, do
I want to see that pass rush from Houston? All right?
Those guys are on it, man, there. I mean, I
hate Houston with a passion, but those two defensive ends
are fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, that is I would say, you know what, being
a parents at ten kids sounds better than that.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Which what's coming up on the Big Show tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
KB?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, So we'll continue to recap a lot of this,
you know, certainly more in the big picture.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
We'll actually get a.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Little boots on the ground on Pasadena with a Rose
Bull coming up on Thursday, So we'll do that at
eight thirty of Rick Carlisle should join us at some point.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
The nine o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
They've got a late one tonight in Houston, so we'll
chat with him coming up a little bit later in
the show tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Check out the Morning Show.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
KB is a part of it at one O seven
five the fan, Kevin Bowen, We appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Happy to you boys.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Thanks same to you, you and Moonshine Monday next
Kerry on Allay on side. They'll be delaying you, LAOLLI
read to rest, don't you cry?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
No, listen to the Hammer and let show.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I could have jumped in way earlier, but that's what
terrorists do. You don't interrupt the wayward sun. You just
let it ride.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm Jason Hammer, Big Nige's out guy, Relford the gun
guy filling in and let's go to the hotline.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Bring on, friend of the show.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And part of the morning show on our sister sports station,
Window seven five. The fan Kevin Bowen, so KB right
out of the gate here, million dollar question, Carly Orsay,
does she blow out either Ballard Steichen, either one or both?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
What do we think?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Well, I wish I had our conviction on that. I
would say this.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't know if I'm overwhelmingly holding my breath that
she will do something and.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
A lot of it, honestly.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sevens back to the trading guys in season when they
traded for Soardner and just the magnitude of what that
trade met for the organization.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
You basically said you believed.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
In Daniel Jones as your franchise quarterback, and you said
you believed in Chris Ballard and Chaine Stiken, and so
you know, two months later, do all of a sudden
you go.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Back on that.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's probably where I have a little bit of pause.
But I'm obviously there's ample evidence certainly to fire Ballard.
You can make a case for Stiking as well, especially
if you believe that you tie the GM the head
coach at the hit. It'd be you know, rather astonishing
and I'd be rather unprecedented to see a GM with
Ballards or resume give a ton to year.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
But I'm not holding my breath necessarily. They'll be ample changes.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, it feels like there are two different things at
play here, Kevin. There's the football perspective, there's the business perspective.
And football wise, you're right, maybe Carly did sign off
on that trade.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I would imagine she had to have done that.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And you don't have two first round picks, you don't
have a star quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Who do you bring in? That's better?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But just from a business perspective, I think they may
be at risk of losing the fan base if you
run it back one more time.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You see what I'm saying, Well, and I think business too,
Hammer I mean Sunday will be the eleventh year, eleven
year anniversary since their last home playoff game, I mean
eleven years ago. I didn't exercise on our morning each
the other day of going through all the sporting events
lucas Ol Stadium, Lucas Ol Stadium has had a swim
meet in it, you know, the last time the Colts
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hosted a home playoff game. Like you want to talk finances,
you want to talk you know, dollars and cents. I mean,
twenty five NFL teams have hosted a home playoff game
since the Colts last have, so I think that kind
of adds to the to the financial element of it.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
KB. When I heard that you were going to be
on and I was sitting in for Nigel today, the
first thing I thought of I couldn't wait to talk
to you is is were you at all surprised that
Philip Rivers still started the game yesterday after the Colts
were eliminated from the playoffs. A lot of people were
looking at that at the time. To put a healthy
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Riley Leonard in the game, get him some reps, get
him a little experience, and I'm not sure where Ar's
vision is and his health, but a lot of people
were saying, hey, yeah, when we still had a potential shot,
bringing in Rivers made some sense. But what was the
reason for him to play against Jacksonville yesterday after the
Colts were eliminated.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, it's a question. I feel that a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So basically, I think the thought was throughout the week,
once the Colts were officially eliminated.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
What was that seven thirty Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
At that point you are what you know, yeah, eighteen
hours twelve hours away from kickoff the next day. So
I understand sticking with Rivers. Not that the Colts had
ample practice time last week with the holiday, but you know,
practice wise and throughout meetings, you know, it was always
Rivers being the starter.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So I'm not maybe, as you know, whatever thought that they.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Should have changed it at the last second. Now for Sunday,
I don't need to see Philip Rivers and you know,
Rocky four or however you want to describe it here
running out there against the Houston Texans, you know, to
me to get the Richardson part of the question, I
think the vision limitations are real right now, and I
think there are some legit questions about how that would
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look in a game setting, and not to mention, it's
the number one ranked defense in the NFL, so I
think that is more at play here. Yes, do I
think the Colts are largely or Shane Second is largely
probably done with them.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, that's probably fair as well.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But I do think the actual you know, orbital injury
impacting his vision, all of that is a real serious element.
But it is time to see Riley Leonard, particularly.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
If Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
If you are going to run it back and you
think Daniel Jones is going to be ready early in
the season, there's no guarantee he's ready for Week one.
You could need Riley Leonard in the month of September
next year. Potentially it starts some games. So I think
it'd be you know, good for him to get his
first NFL start coming up on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Now you mentioned Daniel Jones. What infrontation do you have
on his contract situation? Right, because he was just under
a one year contract for this year then blew the Achilles.
You think that could bring him back signing for another
year next year.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I think again, assuming they bring everybody back, I
think that's where signs are pointing obviously the financial hit
that he took, you know, once he went down, that
injury was rather significant, you know, millions, I would assume dollars, So,
you know, I think it's probably impacted the length of
the contract again, certainly how much money annually he would get.
But I would assume Daniel Jones is your quarterback here
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for twenty twenty six down.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
If you blow it up, I mean, who the hell knows.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, at that point, you know, no one's safe, frankly,
but if they bring this back, I would think that
Daniel Jones will be the guy for the vast majority
of next season.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And Kevin, I was listening to your program this morning.
You make a great point. There's really no reason to
just blow it up, Tank because you don't have the
number one pick. You don't have your first round pick
next year at all. So you might as well say, look,
we got a pretty good running back. We feel like
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he's one of the best in the league. We've got
a pretty good guard, We've got a really good rookie
tight end here. Let's just try to patch things up
and see what can happen. Is that where we're at
with this franchise.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, I think that would be the thought process in
running it back for next season. I don't necessarily agree
with that, to be clear, but I think internally that
could be the thought process because you know, again you
are banking basically the col You know people that are saying, hey,
running back or whatever, they are talking this up to
some injuries. Well, I mean Daniel Jones going off the
torn achilles, the Forest Buckner needed next surgery at the
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age of thirty. I don't like next in surgeries in
thirty year olds in football.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
That is just not a great combination.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Taveri's ward is dealt with three concussions in the last
year and has had a slew of just frankly tragic
off the field stuff happened to him as well. That's
just a lot to be banking on. You know, one
eighties for example, happening. And you know, as much as
we play this game in this market, what do you
think they're saying in Kansas City about their quarterback. What
do you think they're saying in Cincinnati about their quarterback?
What do you think they're saying in Baltimore about their quarterback.
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I mean, three teams that very well could miss the playoffs.
Two of them are definitely out. And they all have
quarterbacks that have you know, played you know, deep into
the playoffs and in Super Bowls and won super Bowls,
and you know, they all will probably be saying a
similar you know tune if you will. So that's why
I just don't think it's a stap of your fingers
and then boom them all of a sudden, you know,
the resume of you know again, no division titles in
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eleven years, no playoff wins in eight years, no playoff
appearances in five years, all of a sudden, it's going
to stop.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Kevin.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
We talk a lot about Chris Ballard and how, for
whatever reason he has been able to survive. He's been
a survivor despite not really winning much. Here, let's look
at Shane Steichen here at the beginning of this year,
the offense was clicking, everybody was happy, but it was
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such a major meltdown down the stretch. You had the
overtime situation in Kansas City. Uh, some of the decision
making that stike In makes. Is he on the hot
seat along with Ballard?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah? You know, oftentimes you tie the GM and the
head coach together, but their resumes are vastly different in
terms of years. It's a nine for Ballard, three for
Psych and so.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I think that's what makes it difficult, Like if.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You're handing out individual gradeseach, I think Ballard gets the
worst grade than Psych and not that Psychan gets this,
you know, overwhelmingly great grade. I guess if you want
to look at Shane's resume, it's three years, it's a
five hundred record at this point, exactly twenty five and
twenty five. Certainly the quarterback situation has an awful whole
lot of favor. Some of that is his own doing,
some of that is not. And if you look at
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specifically within the division, you know, he's two and nine
against Houston Jacksonville and that's.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
A really kind of sore eye for me.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
When you look at Houston and and and Jacksonville, don't
look at them. It's necessarily the you know, the class
of the NFL by any means. So again, I you know,
I am probably a little bit more in the If again,
trying them at the hip is probably the way to go.
But if not, I think the ballot resume is much
uglier than the Psychen resume. But we don't have a
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lot of arranged marriages, if you will in the NFL
that work out, and the arranged marriage would be you're
bringing a new GM and say hey, here's your head coach.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You know, maybe bring the new GM and you say, hey,
evaluate this guy. But it just it rarely works out.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So that's where I do have some questions about exactly, again,
how willing are they to really really blow it up
and exactly what will a week from Monday look like.
Do they just use the same letter that they used
last year when they said, running back.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
One more thing here before you let you go?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Guy, go ahead. I was just going to say, isn't
it also a factor in terms of blowing it up?
I think I think a team is less inclined to
blow it up when you don't have a first round
draft pick for the next two years, because when you
blow it up, what are you replacing it with in
terms of personnel, you know, for whoever you would bring in,
both as coach and as general manager. I just think
(10:11):
that gets that gets tough when your prospects down the
road are so limited by having lost those two picks.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It's certainly a less than advantageous situation. But at the
end of the day, there's thirty two of these, and yes,
it does it help to have the first round picks.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Certainly, I'm not going to deny that. But you know what,
if you wanted to, you could take some of the
pieces on this.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Roster right now, with them beloved colts frankly that have
been here for a while, and you could trade them
and potentially add.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
To a few more of those picks.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
To me, like all of a sudden, sitting here and saying, well,
you bring everybody back, because it'd be the disservice to
a new end because you didn't you don't have first
round picks, I'm kind of like, well, that's that's.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
A little bit of an odd way to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, if Iral Chris Ballard and that trade was
presented to me two months back, i would say, I'm
doing this trade one hundred times out of one hundred.
If it's going to guarantee me jobs security because it
ham strings the guy after me, then of course I'm
gonna do this trade because.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
It's going to get me in two to three years.
Even if it doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Out, and right now, you know, due to injury, the
trade hasn't worked out, So again, I understand it's maybe
a little bit of a disservice to the next person,
But at the same time, I don't think that also
means it's an endorsement on the current guy that he should,
you know, have one in the pro column if you will,
making the pros and the cont.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
List and Riley Leonard hearing chatter he might get to
start Sunday.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Is that what we're looking at?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Boy? That is my assumption.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
But hammer when I spoke about that on the morning
show today and then listen to Shane psych in this
afternoon in his press conference, I don't know, it seemed
like the door is a little bit open to Philip Rivers.
I don't know if he was trying to do the
you know, nice thing on the way out the door,
but it definitely sounded like Shane was a little bit
more open to that, and it almost sounded like it's
a conversation that maybe Rivers needed to have, which I
(11:53):
don't necessarily think that's the way to go.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So I'm a little more torn. I assume it was
going to be Leonard, but little bit more torn after
listening to Shane.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Sounds like decision will come tomorrow and we'll see exactly
who it's going to be. Like I said earlier, I
don't think we need to see the Philip Rivers thing.
Hell of a movie, inspirational all of it. But there's
a reason why the Rocky movies got worse.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Man, If I'm about forty four year old quarterback, do
I want to see that pass rush from Houston? All right?
Those guys are on it, man, there. I mean, I
hate Houston with a passion, but those two defensive ends
are fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, that is I would say, you know what, being
a parents at ten kids sounds better than that.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Which what's coming up on the Big Show tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
KB?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, So we'll continue to recap a lot of this,
you know, certainly more in the big picture.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
We'll actually get a.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Little boots on the ground on Pasadena with a Rose
Bull coming up on Thursday, So we'll do that at
eight thirty of Rick Carlisle should join us at some point.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
The nine o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
They've got a late one tonight in Houston, so we'll
chat with him coming up a little bit later in
the show tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Check out the Morning Show.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
KB is a part of it at one O seven
five the fan, Kevin Bowen, We appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Happy to you boys.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Thanks same to you, you and Moonshine Monday next
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