August 15, 2025 • 12 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Hammer and Nigel Show. Yeah, hello,
my name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with
a very special in studio guests, the very in shape
Matt Bear is now on our YouTube camera. So ladies,
if you want something to think about later on, go
to the YouTube camera right now and take a look
(00:20):
at Matt Bear and gentlemen, there he is.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
How were you.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm fantasticing beautiful day in Indian appos. Let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yesterday was our two thousandth show. Matt and again that's everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I believe you've been there for damn near every single one.
I mean we all have vacation time, some.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
More than others.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Nige, oh yeah, but you have been our traffic guy
from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And I mean this when I say this.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Nige and I have been in the city as radio
hosts from when we were eighteen years old, various different stations.
I have never worked with a traffic personality as dynamic
and as good as you are.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Well thanks man. It's certainly humble. It's the craziest thing
because I still do this at least once or twice
a week. I mean, I come from a smaller town,
and I wasn't like you guys you know who were
X one, O three and you know do it a
zpl or everything else, you know, So I didn't have
the experience. So for me to like, like in the
morning and the evening sometimes when people aren't trying to
(01:19):
run into me in downtown, I think to myself, Wow,
this is really cool that you are in this city
and you get to do radio with all these people.
And I kid you not about that. It is really
a special thing for me to be able to do.
It makes me feel good.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, now that the compliments are done.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yesterday we reached different milestones on our YouTube page. We said,
if we get the two hundred likes, Nigel will twerk.
If we get the three hundred and I'll do it,
five hundred Allison will do whatever the hell Allison does,
and it ended up being a mix of the macarena
and the robot Nige. I asked Matt Baer if we
(01:57):
get the six hundred, would you be willing to do something?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
He looked like he wanted to punch me in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yesterday, our rush hour yesterday evening was absolutely working. Yeah,
it was. It was just an absolute. I want to
swear so much right now. It was a crap show
and we were we were just getting hit from ole
ankles mas.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
See.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
We have fun in this studio, but there's people outside
of the studio that are actually working, grinding and care
about their job.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I'll tell you what six hundred likes today, and I'll
do something. I'll take my shirt. Oh, I will.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Six hundred lights in him, take your shirt off?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah? Yeah, everybody just hear.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That eight hundred and I'll do the whole thing. You know,
there's no pride here.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, so we're about four hundred and seventy away.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Let's see what we can do.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Colts game tomorrow, it's an odd kickoff time Matt Downtown
Colts preseason game against the Packers. If this were a
regular season game, it would be a see have Green
Bay Packers Vans. I don't know if that's going to
be the case tomorrow, but it's a one o'clock I
believe kickoff.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, it's going to be an early kickoff, and we
have a lot of construction happening that could cause people problems.
I'll hit them real quick. Like here, it's northbound sixty
five on the south side down it's everywhere awful construction
zone right now from four to sixty five to south
what that's going on until the end of next year.
Northbound's going to be closed, okay, which puts a lot
of people on US thirty one. Madison Avenue coming into downtown. Problem.
(03:29):
Madison Avenue's under construction and down to one lane, so
that could become a real compactor right there in that
construction zone. So you're going to have the problems coming
up on Madison. That is a possibility. Then West Street,
as you know downtown, that huge north south corridor is
kicked down the one lane, and you have Capitol Avenue
that has hospital construction up by sixteen, so we're gonna
(03:51):
have to get around that as well. So getting the
Lucas Oil Stadium this weekend, if this is your first
time downtowns this last season, I'm telling you leave an
extra twenty minutes. To leave an extra twenty bits, you
have a better time. Even if you get here early,
you'll be able to park and just hang out.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I feel like because I had a chance to go
to the game tomorrow and have good seats, and my
wife and I discussed it, and I said, and then
you know, my daughter has softball or whatever. But but
like people that come downtown don't know what's going on
right if you're not familiar downtown. I filled my wife
(04:25):
in on what's going on downtown, especially on the south
side of the city.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Wow, well it's it's a bedlam right now. And I
say this every damn yere, it's the worst I've ever
seen it. But it is the worst I've ever seen
it right now, Stop right.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
There, because that was gonna be what I wanted to
ask you. I'm not trying to be over the top.
I'm not trying to be mister everything sucks. You cover
this stuff closer than anybody. Have you ever seen this
much construction at once?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
There was a pre COVID phase that we gave ourselves
now a run for the money, and that's when the
North Split was being rebuilt, and that was a lot
of and then COVID hit, of course, and they couldn't
find the supplies and that took forever and ever. The
thing going on right now with downtown is not only
the massive amount of construction projects, whether it be state
or private, is all these other projects coming to it
(05:12):
end as well, like New York Street and Michigan Street.
And here's something. If you're coming in from the East
Sign to Lucas Oil Stadium, there's a section of those
that used to be one way. They're now two way.
So you've got to be really careful that you're not
driving into oncoming traffic here. Okay, that's gonna be a
thing you have to do as well. So you have
these other projects, and then you have these other projects
trying to develop pedestrian trails like on Madison Avenue right now,
(05:34):
and it's just coming together for this one massive, perfect
storm of crap that we all have to deal with
when getting around downtown. Not to mention, as you guys
pulled out, the Monument's not done, and you have the
War Memorial that's still under construction. So there's not a
lot here right now that feels like it's functioning at
the moment. And we do have some new cool things
like the cultural Trails ministed and other things.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
No matter where you turn in downtown, you're going into
instruction or closure.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, it's it's absolute bedlam. And with that you get
the residual. I mean, God bless everybody out there doing
these projects in ninety degree heat. But I coming in tonight,
I'm behind a caravan. It's like a caravan of dump trucks,
and I'm like, where are these guys going? Well, they
could be going anywhere. It's downtown. I mean, there's no
They're not.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Going to the monument. Maxa nobody.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I got an update on
the monument. Somebody corrected us. Some guy named Kevin Parson says, hey, guys,
hate to keep butting in with corrections, but the State
of Indiana War Memorial Commission can the State of Indiana
War Memorial Commission controls the monument. Circle City only controls
the brick Circle Street. The construction contracts our state.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I don't care if a general zod that controls it.
I want somebody down here working. The beautiful sunny days
are going to waste. I don't care if it's Boss
Hawk set in a hard hat or somebody in this commission.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Can I get a body?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
And I just don't want somebody being a supervise are
to a truck being backed up five feet.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I want work being done. I don't think that's asking
too much.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Matt, Yeah, and I don't either, And my eyes comes
from you know, you have these really cool spots downtown,
like Monument Circle, like the War Memorial, like the canal
Walk where they have sectioned off each direction where it's
just like a suspension bridge. It's a construction bridge and
you walk over and it's going to you know, all
these really special places in Indian aamplets and give it
its identity right are just one time accessible right now,
(07:27):
right at one time. Yeah, it's not accessible right now,
And it's frustrating because I love love, love, love love
downtown Indian damplis so much, but it is just Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
People, you know, get on me. How are you criticize
India so much?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
One?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I live here right so I get the right to
I'm a taxpayer here. Number two, i know how awesome
this city can be. And I'm tired of seeing the
Monument look like crap.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
We look like Detroit.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
If you look around downtown right now, orange barrels and
closures and traits better.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I'm saying five years from now, and this is the
optimist in me. When Circle Center Mala is done, and
when you have the Fever Complex built on Maryland, Maryland
down there at Delaware Street and these other hotels at
the hotel there on Missouri Street, everything else that's happening
right now. When these projects are done, I'm really really
(08:20):
excited to see what it's going to look at. I
like advocating for downtown. It'll be trouble right now. I
totally understand being diapers by.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Then, Yeah, right, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Earlier in the show, Matt, your co host of Supporting
Supporting Sobriety, Ryan Hendrick from our news department, joined us
to give a perspective on what's going on with these
homeless tent communities and Fountain Square and the perspective that
he can give. There's nobody else in the city from
a media perspective. I believe that can come and share
(08:53):
their view like that because he's been homeless and that
story was amazing. Now, this podcast that you guys are
part of Supporting Sobriety, each of you have battled various demons.
It was drugs, it was homelessness for Ryan, for you,
it was alcohol, correctly.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, it was alcohol. It was addiction to a degree
because I really liked my oxycot and that was in
my late twenties and early thirties. And yeah, Ryan's just
fantastic because he walks the walk and he really has
that experience. It's taught me so much. We just I
heard it mention this earlier, that we did that episode
on stigmas, the stigma of addiction earlier, you know, And
(09:30):
it's again, it's from our own experiences. And my whole
thing has always been people telling me, why don't you
just taper, why don't you just cut back your drinking
and being recovering alcoholic. And I be like, okay, yeah,
I'll do that, And you know, it only lasts a
day or two at least with me. I know some
people can do it, but me, as a full blown,
full fledged, licensed alcoholic, I can't do that for yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
The taper would turn into a fifth.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Taper would turn into a fifth Yeah, the taper would
be a fifth taper to.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
A fifth of alcohol.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah. I mean tapering pious. But it's not far from
the trying to trust me. Yeah, it's not far from
the truth. But that stigma is still out there that says, hey,
Matt Bear can socially drink, or I can go to
a wedding and just drink one weekend and just cut
it off. That's never been the case for me. When
I drink, I turned into an animal and I become
something completely terrible. So the stigma is always saying that
(10:21):
we can stop whenever we want. I couldn't even though
I know how a problem. And that's what the stigma
keeps you doing. It keeps you believing that you don't
have a problem, that you're not an alcoholic. And I'm
mastered it a lot of times by pointing out other
people's drinking habits. I was drinking every single night. And
if I'm able to point at somebody and call them
an alcoholic or say that they're a drunk, then I'm
(10:43):
able to keep the truth away from myself. And that's
exactly what I was doing. It's a deflection. I look
at this man and I look at his struggles and
the disease, and I say, man, what a truck boy.
I feel better about myself. You know, I'm the disease
of addiction. I'm sitting on your shoulder right now. I'm here,
but you don't know it. So I'm gonna whisper in
your ear, keep being judgmental, they keep they keep those
(11:07):
stigmas up, because those stigmas are going to keep you
from realizing that, yes, you are very much an alcoholic.
Disease of addiction doesn't want us to recognize that disease
of addiction, doesn't want us to see that and be like, ooh,
that's that's me. So yeah, they very much do keep
you sick. They kept me sick for a long time.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Damn man. The character in Leaving Las Vegas was nowhere
near as bad as I am. Right, all right, it
was the worst I've ever seen in my life. Yeah
that way, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
That was an amazing movie. And just because you brought
it up real quick collect here, I noticed his behavior
and like some of these movies where the guys like
really drunk the protagonist and I watched them and I'm like,
that was so me. You know, have the conversations in
your head with it, with the woman at the bar
and everything. I mean, that's that's what we do as
alcoholics because we're so damn lonely because we can't stop drinking.
(11:55):
But you can find supporting sobriety. Thanks for playing that clip, guys.
I really appreciate it. It's I'm very grateful. Supporting Sobriety
is a Spotify Apple any major podcast provider, and you
can find us on Instagram and x at Sobriety, Underscore
pod and at the Instagram. We just put up a
really cool picture of my sister, my niece Izzy when
we went to the zoo a couple of weeks ago. Guys,
(12:16):
I'm telling you I saw that. Yeah, that would not
have happened.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
If I were drinking, man, that would not have happened.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'm so proud of the man you have become mad.
You are awesome. God bless you. Thank you for sharing
your stories.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well, thank you and I love you, guys, and if
my sister is listening, love you too.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.
You're listening to the Hammer and Nigel Show. Yeah, hello,
my name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with
a very special in studio guests, the very in shape
Matt Bear is now on our YouTube camera. So ladies,
if you want something to think about later on, go
to the YouTube camera right now and take a look
(00:20):
at Matt Bear and gentlemen, there he is.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
How were you.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm fantasticing beautiful day in Indian appos. Let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yesterday was our two thousandth show. Matt and again that's everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I believe you've been there for damn near every single one.
I mean we all have vacation time, some.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
More than others.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Nige, oh yeah, but you have been our traffic guy
from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And I mean this when I say this.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Nige and I have been in the city as radio
hosts from when we were eighteen years old, various different stations.
I have never worked with a traffic personality as dynamic
and as good as you are.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Well thanks man. It's certainly humble. It's the craziest thing
because I still do this at least once or twice
a week. I mean, I come from a smaller town,
and I wasn't like you guys you know who were
X one, O three and you know do it a
zpl or everything else, you know, So I didn't have
the experience. So for me to like, like in the
morning and the evening sometimes when people aren't trying to
(01:19):
run into me in downtown, I think to myself, Wow,
this is really cool that you are in this city
and you get to do radio with all these people.
And I kid you not about that. It is really
a special thing for me to be able to do.
It makes me feel good.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, now that the compliments are done.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yesterday we reached different milestones on our YouTube page. We said,
if we get the two hundred likes, Nigel will twerk.
If we get the three hundred and I'll do it,
five hundred Allison will do whatever the hell Allison does,
and it ended up being a mix of the macarena
and the robot Nige. I asked Matt Baer if we
(01:57):
get the six hundred, would you be willing to do something?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
He looked like he wanted to punch me in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yesterday, our rush hour yesterday evening was absolutely working. Yeah,
it was. It was just an absolute. I want to
swear so much right now. It was a crap show
and we were we were just getting hit from ole
ankles mas.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
See.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
We have fun in this studio, but there's people outside
of the studio that are actually working, grinding and care
about their job.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I'll tell you what six hundred likes today, and I'll
do something. I'll take my shirt. Oh, I will.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Six hundred lights in him, take your shirt off?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah? Yeah, everybody just hear.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That eight hundred and I'll do the whole thing. You know,
there's no pride here.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, so we're about four hundred and seventy away.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Let's see what we can do.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Colts game tomorrow, it's an odd kickoff time Matt Downtown
Colts preseason game against the Packers. If this were a
regular season game, it would be a see have Green
Bay Packers Vans. I don't know if that's going to
be the case tomorrow, but it's a one o'clock I
believe kickoff.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, it's going to be an early kickoff, and we
have a lot of construction happening that could cause people problems.
I'll hit them real quick. Like here, it's northbound sixty
five on the south side down it's everywhere awful construction
zone right now from four to sixty five to south
what that's going on until the end of next year.
Northbound's going to be closed, okay, which puts a lot
of people on US thirty one. Madison Avenue coming into downtown. Problem.
(03:29):
Madison Avenue's under construction and down to one lane, so
that could become a real compactor right there in that
construction zone. So you're going to have the problems coming
up on Madison. That is a possibility. Then West Street,
as you know downtown, that huge north south corridor is
kicked down the one lane, and you have Capitol Avenue
that has hospital construction up by sixteen, so we're gonna
(03:51):
have to get around that as well. So getting the
Lucas Oil Stadium this weekend, if this is your first
time downtowns this last season, I'm telling you leave an
extra twenty minutes. To leave an extra twenty bits, you
have a better time. Even if you get here early,
you'll be able to park and just hang out.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I feel like because I had a chance to go
to the game tomorrow and have good seats, and my
wife and I discussed it, and I said, and then
you know, my daughter has softball or whatever. But but
like people that come downtown don't know what's going on
right if you're not familiar downtown. I filled my wife
(04:25):
in on what's going on downtown, especially on the south
side of the city.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Wow, well it's it's a bedlam right now. And I
say this every damn yere, it's the worst I've ever
seen it. But it is the worst I've ever seen
it right now, Stop right.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
There, because that was gonna be what I wanted to
ask you. I'm not trying to be over the top.
I'm not trying to be mister everything sucks. You cover
this stuff closer than anybody. Have you ever seen this
much construction at once?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
There was a pre COVID phase that we gave ourselves
now a run for the money, and that's when the
North Split was being rebuilt, and that was a lot
of and then COVID hit, of course, and they couldn't
find the supplies and that took forever and ever. The
thing going on right now with downtown is not only
the massive amount of construction projects, whether it be state
or private, is all these other projects coming to it
(05:12):
end as well, like New York Street and Michigan Street.
And here's something. If you're coming in from the East
Sign to Lucas Oil Stadium, there's a section of those
that used to be one way. They're now two way.
So you've got to be really careful that you're not
driving into oncoming traffic here. Okay, that's gonna be a
thing you have to do as well. So you have
these other projects, and then you have these other projects
trying to develop pedestrian trails like on Madison Avenue right now,
(05:34):
and it's just coming together for this one massive, perfect
storm of crap that we all have to deal with
when getting around downtown. Not to mention, as you guys
pulled out, the Monument's not done, and you have the
War Memorial that's still under construction. So there's not a
lot here right now that feels like it's functioning at
the moment. And we do have some new cool things
like the cultural Trails ministed and other things.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
No matter where you turn in downtown, you're going into
instruction or closure.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, it's it's absolute bedlam. And with that you get
the residual. I mean, God bless everybody out there doing
these projects in ninety degree heat. But I coming in tonight,
I'm behind a caravan. It's like a caravan of dump trucks,
and I'm like, where are these guys going? Well, they
could be going anywhere. It's downtown. I mean, there's no
They're not.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Going to the monument. Maxa nobody.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I got an update on
the monument. Somebody corrected us. Some guy named Kevin Parson says, hey, guys,
hate to keep butting in with corrections, but the State
of Indiana War Memorial Commission can the State of Indiana
War Memorial Commission controls the monument. Circle City only controls
the brick Circle Street. The construction contracts our state.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I don't care if a general zod that controls it.
I want somebody down here working. The beautiful sunny days
are going to waste. I don't care if it's Boss
Hawk set in a hard hat or somebody in this commission.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Can I get a body?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
And I just don't want somebody being a supervise are
to a truck being backed up five feet.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I want work being done. I don't think that's asking
too much.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Matt, Yeah, and I don't either, And my eyes comes
from you know, you have these really cool spots downtown,
like Monument Circle, like the War Memorial, like the canal
Walk where they have sectioned off each direction where it's
just like a suspension bridge. It's a construction bridge and
you walk over and it's going to you know, all
these really special places in Indian aamplets and give it
its identity right are just one time accessible right now,
(07:27):
right at one time. Yeah, it's not accessible right now,
And it's frustrating because I love love, love, love love
downtown Indian damplis so much, but it is just Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
People, you know, get on me. How are you criticize
India so much?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
One?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I live here right so I get the right to
I'm a taxpayer here. Number two, i know how awesome
this city can be. And I'm tired of seeing the
Monument look like crap.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
We look like Detroit.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
If you look around downtown right now, orange barrels and
closures and traits better.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I'm saying five years from now, and this is the
optimist in me. When Circle Center Mala is done, and
when you have the Fever Complex built on Maryland, Maryland
down there at Delaware Street and these other hotels at
the hotel there on Missouri Street, everything else that's happening
right now. When these projects are done, I'm really really
(08:20):
excited to see what it's going to look at. I
like advocating for downtown. It'll be trouble right now. I
totally understand being diapers by.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Then, Yeah, right, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Earlier in the show, Matt, your co host of Supporting
Supporting Sobriety, Ryan Hendrick from our news department, joined us
to give a perspective on what's going on with these
homeless tent communities and Fountain Square and the perspective that
he can give. There's nobody else in the city from
a media perspective. I believe that can come and share
(08:53):
their view like that because he's been homeless and that
story was amazing. Now, this podcast that you guys are
part of Supporting Sobriety, each of you have battled various demons.
It was drugs, it was homelessness for Ryan, for you,
it was alcohol, correctly.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, it was alcohol. It was addiction to a degree
because I really liked my oxycot and that was in
my late twenties and early thirties. And yeah, Ryan's just
fantastic because he walks the walk and he really has
that experience. It's taught me so much. We just I
heard it mention this earlier, that we did that episode
on stigmas, the stigma of addiction earlier, you know, And
(09:30):
it's again, it's from our own experiences. And my whole
thing has always been people telling me, why don't you
just taper, why don't you just cut back your drinking
and being recovering alcoholic. And I be like, okay, yeah,
I'll do that, And you know, it only lasts a
day or two at least with me. I know some
people can do it, but me, as a full blown,
full fledged, licensed alcoholic, I can't do that for yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
The taper would turn into a fifth.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Taper would turn into a fifth Yeah, the taper would
be a fifth taper to.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
A fifth of alcohol.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah. I mean tapering pious. But it's not far from
the trying to trust me. Yeah, it's not far from
the truth. But that stigma is still out there that says, hey,
Matt Bear can socially drink, or I can go to
a wedding and just drink one weekend and just cut
it off. That's never been the case for me. When
I drink, I turned into an animal and I become
something completely terrible. So the stigma is always saying that
(10:21):
we can stop whenever we want. I couldn't even though
I know how a problem. And that's what the stigma
keeps you doing. It keeps you believing that you don't
have a problem, that you're not an alcoholic. And I'm
mastered it a lot of times by pointing out other
people's drinking habits. I was drinking every single night. And
if I'm able to point at somebody and call them
an alcoholic or say that they're a drunk, then I'm
(10:43):
able to keep the truth away from myself. And that's
exactly what I was doing. It's a deflection. I look
at this man and I look at his struggles and
the disease, and I say, man, what a truck boy.
I feel better about myself. You know, I'm the disease
of addiction. I'm sitting on your shoulder right now. I'm here,
but you don't know it. So I'm gonna whisper in
your ear, keep being judgmental, they keep they keep those
(11:07):
stigmas up, because those stigmas are going to keep you
from realizing that, yes, you are very much an alcoholic.
Disease of addiction doesn't want us to recognize that disease
of addiction, doesn't want us to see that and be like, ooh,
that's that's me. So yeah, they very much do keep
you sick. They kept me sick for a long time.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Damn man. The character in Leaving Las Vegas was nowhere
near as bad as I am. Right, all right, it
was the worst I've ever seen in my life. Yeah
that way, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
That was an amazing movie. And just because you brought
it up real quick collect here, I noticed his behavior
and like some of these movies where the guys like
really drunk the protagonist and I watched them and I'm like,
that was so me. You know, have the conversations in
your head with it, with the woman at the bar
and everything. I mean, that's that's what we do as
alcoholics because we're so damn lonely because we can't stop drinking.
(11:55):
But you can find supporting sobriety. Thanks for playing that clip, guys.
I really appreciate it. It's I'm very grateful. Supporting Sobriety
is a Spotify Apple any major podcast provider, and you
can find us on Instagram and x at Sobriety, Underscore
pod and at the Instagram. We just put up a
really cool picture of my sister, my niece Izzy when
we went to the zoo a couple of weeks ago. Guys,
(12:16):
I'm telling you I saw that. Yeah, that would not
have happened.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
If I were drinking, man, that would not have happened.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'm so proud of the man you have become mad.
You are awesome. God bless you. Thank you for sharing
your stories.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well, thank you and I love you, guys, and if
my sister is listening, love you too.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.
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