September 25, 2025 • 47 mins
We heard a lot of talk during the offseason about culture, but does it really work if you’re not winning games? Is there a risk now that the message will get lost? And the coaches have said they’re simplifying things. Does that put pressure on the players? And how does that sit with them? The grace period may be running out.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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They're flowing down the sidelines.
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Now your hosts.
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Nate Newton, Kirk Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon.
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Center at the Star in Frisco, Texas. Maybe fall is here.
Maybe it's eighty one degrees.
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The high is just a nice calm, mostly cloudy, eighty
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The load of night is sixty six. Get the blankets out.
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A little by to pull a little pullover on. You
know what I'm saying in the back. It's Chris being
keeping his lively local. He is three time Super Bowl champion.
Nate Newton, This is the bearded one. This is my guy.
Kurt three Pump Daniels. Get your fly though, Kurt three pumps,
get your fly too.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You're good. I am salt and pepper poppy.
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
This year, Kurt might just be out of business in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, I got ten plane, no sauce, Jesse, Please this
dude like what he liked, right, but he will stick
his head.
Speaker 8 (01:55):
Tell you I got a couple.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
No, no, no, So the last time, remember the last time
we had wings, He's all, I ain't gonna be here.
I ain't gonna be We had already put the order in, right,
so they bring them. I'm like, say, he wasn't gonna
be here, so I snatched about three of them flats.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
He showed up.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
He shows up.
Speaker 9 (02:11):
So now.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
Let me let me just tell you you're gonna be
a little shot when you open your box.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I thought you wasn't.
Speaker 8 (02:18):
Gonna be Did I say that? It's all good, man,
all good, because I'm telling you what chicken is chicken, baby,
Whether it's that the trailer funk had a high ride, baby, not.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
All, not all chicken wings are created equal.
Speaker 8 (02:35):
You're right about that.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I've got the market.
Speaker 8 (02:36):
Right by that.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
Now you this your first time trying their new fries. Yes,
I've had them ordered the first This is your first.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Order delivery all the time when you stopped. I like
the old ones better. I still like the old ones, man, I.
Speaker 8 (02:49):
Like that skin job.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I like the new ones ones.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I like the sugar season and they had.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The new ones are good. They still do the sugar season.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
It's not as it's not as poke. I still like
them though they're not they're not. I just like the
old one.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I appreciate the change.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I can sit these new ones on my seat, not
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, hey, when you order fries at wingstop, you get
fries a bowl of fries.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Man, Yeah, Kurt, this year you might be out of business.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
One pump, get your flag this year.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Not still too pumps. You can't pump in the direction
of a player.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
I get it, Like what if.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You what if you what if you turn around and
and and the real thrust is backwards a twerk that's
a turk.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, almost a one one gotta do it out of
the leave with that type. I guess as long as
you don't look over your shoulder and find this.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Year, I guess if you look back at it. Though,
if you look back at it when your that might
be a flag.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What's amazing the things that they miss in the in
the petty things that they're attacking and it's god.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
They hitting up for some fines too. Yeah, they hit
CD and in George last week for almost fifty grand.
You know what tho combined they had they had the
what Yeah, they had the celebration.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, the celebration that they did two weeks ago they had.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
They hit him for They hit him for twelve thousand
a piece and then didn't George got another one.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
For some CD got on the ground for the Yeah,
for the taunting.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
And then they got they got another like fourteen grand
apiece for the uh for the deal.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Geez.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
You know, give you give the refs a lot of grief,
we all do. But the human element, as fast as
this game moves and as many bodies as there are
out there, they do a damn good job of like
getting a lot of it, most of it, right. I
Mean when you slow it down and you watch it
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on TV, you're like, oh, yeah, that was a hole.
But if you've ever been on a football field and
you know how fast that stuff goes, I mean there's
some that they missed that are but for them to
get as much as they do, right, the only one
I don't The only one I don't I can't ever
figure out it's holding.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You could call holding on every single.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
Game sixteen hours, Oh my god, Like when here the
next Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Every single play you could call a holding.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
But I think they you know, we give him a
lot of crap, but they do a pretty good.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
Job in real time. So you know, sometimes I just
had to out of the way thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm sorry, and this is already straight at you, Jesse,
and it's not bad.
Speaker 8 (05:32):
I want to know what is the number one receiver?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Oh, don't do this.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Hell love when he comes here, you know what he did.
He heard something, he heard something last night or this morning,
and he gonna call him out my name or tell
you where he heard it.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
But it's like, you know, I've heard like eight or
nine guys.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Just it's on his jersey, right, just one line. You
got a number one.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't think a lot of people understand. We throw well,
throw away, We throw around the words greatness, exation, generational,
and I'm like, are you just trying to get likes?
Speaker 8 (06:22):
What? What's the new things? I don't want to miss
the new things that they.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Call it engagement.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You're trying to get engagement for me, You're trying to
make sure that your show runs an extra episode, because
I'm the guy that can't pronounce words, but I do
know the definition definition of most of these words, and
y'all guys are using them wrong. I mean to me,
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and I got to go with the guy I played with.
Michael Irvin was a number one receiver. Alvin Harper wasn't.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He was very good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
He was a specialty receiver. He ran certain routes. Well,
now let me go even further. I'm gonna use a
basketball analogy. When you play for a team that wins
twenty five games and you're the number one shooter, and
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you shoot thirty times a game and average twenty points
a game, and then you go to the next team
and you're the fifth option, but you are the number
one on the other team. This ain't the other team, dog. Okay,
So I said a whole lot. Only the intelligent.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
Will get it, and the rest of y'all.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Will continue to use the wrong definitions for certain words.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
Don't need for me the same words now, man, we
just come on, fellas and girls, do you not watch football?
Speaker 8 (08:06):
Do you not watch football?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I challenge and anybody that want to walk up to
me and explain to me what Michael Irvin looked like.
I played with him. Okay, I know what Jerry Rice
looked like. I know what the kid in Cincinnati look like.
I know what the kid in Minnesota look like. I
know what CD look like. Don't you can't make everybody
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these guys. Everybody ain't going to the Hall of Fame now.
They're gonna put some some duds in there. They're coming soon.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
But hey, I like.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
That.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
All right, Well keep going, come through for the whole
show or just for now.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And I'm just just didn't want to ask some man,
I didn't want to answer, didn't want to answer.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I have a chance to You did what you had
to do. I got out the way.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
We're over hyping folks here.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Nate just wants a clarification, man.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
Yeah, man, cause Jesson I stopped. If Jesse was going
to eat, I like, jess it, what's going on here?
But anyway, Hey, come on, y'all, let's go. Let's go chant.
I'm sorry, y'all, let me do.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Let's just take a break.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Let's take a break, start to show, yeah, and then
we'll start over the week come back, okay.
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Well, hanging with the boys be right back.
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Speaking of inspiration, Jesse went into deep thought mode yesterday.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
Yes he did two days ago.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
He kind of went off somewhere in his mind.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
He locked himself in the closet and he's back out today.
And I want to know, what were you thinking about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That you got just real quiet? Yeah about coat is
about coach.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yes, so we got a whole segment dedicated to you.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Well, here's the thing when and you know, coach Schottenheimer
is the new head football coach. And you know, one
of the things that when he came to the Cowboys
and they announced him as a head football coach, the
one thing that everyone had raved about was, boy, he
can talk. Boy, you get him in the room, he
gets you in the room, he's gonna be able to talk.
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And you know, one of the things that I caution
people then for and I still caution people now about
that is at some point in time and his big
thing was is about culture, right, like, oh, culture, culture, culture,
and it's the vibes, and you know, they're dancing on
the football field and they're creating this coach and all
that kind of good stuff do all throughout the office,
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and then everybody ate that stuff up and I'm just like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That only works well when there's wins behind that.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
And so now, like I just was thinking about that
and thinking about that throughout the time.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And this is why I.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Keep talking about your culture has to be like your
It has to be a way and not a culture.
Culture don't get you through this. I'm sorry what they're
going through right now. Culture doesn't get you through this.
It's it's a way. It's a habit that has to
get you through this. There has to be because now
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what you're and you tell me if I'm wrong or not,
but now what you start to have in the locker
room is division. You start to have the conversation of
offense defense. Damn dog, were doing our job, y'all do
your job. And now all the attention, the negative attention,
(13:54):
is on the defense. So now you start getting attention
in between that is the front in the back end.
Damn y'all not getting to the quarterback. Damn y'all not
covering nobody in the back end. And then now you
have to keep putting coaches at the podium and coaches
at the podium to talk this thing too. Kelch eber
Flu said today that they had they got it. They
had to simplify their defense so much that they're down
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to one word calls to call their defense. What type
of high school Harry bullcrap is that? But I just
thought about, coach Schottenheimer. Is the gift, the gab and
the ability to have prolific wordplay.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
My boy is running out.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
We're in week four if you take because now first
it's earlier in the year, right, and then your next
thing is, you know, hey, we're getting stuff together.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
We were close, right.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Then you kind of get a shoot out victory and
people kind of give you a little bit of grace
because you got a victory.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Right, it wasn't pretty.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
You can pick a lot of things out of that
if you're really looking at the film.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
The proper way and go that wasn't good football.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Then you go on the road and you lose bad,
and that's another week of the communication, the execution. All
these things are happening. So now as a coach, you
have to keep getting out here and talking to us
cause you don't get it. You don't get to go away.
It's not like you're a coordinator in you know you're
on an off day or you don't have to speak,
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or they don't have to see your face. As a
head coach, you have to keep coming up there and
preaching this message.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And I'm looking at it and I'm just like.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
You're talking about now, scheme change, player change, Like the
road to getting people to still believe you is running out,
because even like this was after the thoughts that I
had on Monday, was even like even yesterday, there's sometimes
as a coach, there's some things that you can say,
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some things that you can think something that you shouldn't say,
Like you came out yesterday and kind of was like,
and we're gonna hold you to these things when you
say we're good enough to beat Green Bay without these guys,
and then you went on to give an explanation of
why you thought that you ain't have to say that
that was that wasn't something that you had to say.
But you now write these checks that we're going to
have to because if you go out and you lose
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badly to Green Bay, because if we're being honest, before
Micah got traded, before Ceedee Lamb got hurt, before Tyler
Booker got hurt and all the other injuries. We can
pull out the record sheet. We all had to lose
in the Green Bay, fully healthy, fully healthy at home.
So I just I'm looking at this thing and the message,
(16:44):
the culture, the messaging of it. When did that begin
to run out?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
For coach? And what now is your second pitch? Right?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Like?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Like you all right, we got the fastball, we get it.
You can talk game, but now what happens now? And
then the other part of that I was, I was
kind of on the other side of it is and
I've said it on this show many times. I believe
that your quarterback should be worth two wins by himself, right.
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I believe that wholeheartedly, that your quarterback is supposed to
go out there and do something so spectacular twice a
year as you go. That's why they pay me x
amount of dollars. That's why we're the highest paid position
in the league. But I also believe really good coaches,
to great coaches should be worth a win and a
half to two wins as well, that they just I
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mean coach their tail.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Every year, Belichick had a game or two that he.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Was the Chiefs. So I have that Sean mcvail.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
You know, look at look like I look at the
Niners right now, three and ohero rash of injuries, same
thing last year, rash of injuries, Detroit rash Detroit, rash
of injuries. Your coach should be worth a win and
a half. To me, here's the moment. Here's like you.
(18:09):
You want to show yourself as the right guy for
the job. In these moments is where you got to
show up.
Speaker 10 (18:16):
Big, your coach, first year head coach.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Do this.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
You have to because you've talked such a great game
to us, and you've you've given so much hope to
the fan base coming into this season about your style
of offense and about you.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
This is when you and and the win doesn't have
to be a blowout.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
It's in these games where you're not expected to win
at all, Cleveland at all.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You got to go and pull out something.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
If it's a twelve eleven game, you want it because
you made all the right calls at the right times.
You you you, you, You practice like you've never practiced before.
You've called on your other coaches to give me your best. Hey,
give me give me your best fifteen fifteen plays. And
I'm just gonna I'm gonna script these things up. I'm
a dissect this film. I'm gonna find that I'm gonna
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find that thing that Ben Johnson fouled on you.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Defensively, it said, oh nah, we went.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Back last year and watch some of his film and
what they were susceptible with, and we just waited our
time to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Boom happened like that.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
You know what I'm saying, Like that's how you go
in there and and so like that's I've just been
thinking about that, and I'm just like, man, if you
want to win over a fan base even more like
you got to coach a tailoff. This has to be
one of these games where coach Schottenheimer is in his
the biggest bag and go so so so I mean
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reaching down in there and grabbing whatever you can scheme
this thing up.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
Would you consider it a success if like Philadelphia, they
were close but didn't win, or is this he's at
a point now where he's gotta put up wins.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
You gotta win, you gotta because of the losses that
you've taken. It's one thing if he was been nailed
biers In like you let Russell Wilson go for four
point fifty. And I know it's a defense, but your
this is your in your household right as ahead of
your household. When things go wrong, doesn't matter who did it.
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They gonna say, well, Kurt, aren't you the head.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Of this household? How did this happen? Now I gotta
come talk to the head of the household. So no
matter what side of the ball, and then it comes
to you're the head of the household.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
You're the head of You're the head football coach. Everything
goes through you. And it's one thing to lose to
Green Bay. It would be a whole other thing to
get demoralized and get smoked like that. That's something that
you can't you can't let happen. And that if it does,
(20:53):
if you lose, boy, these next two games, you gotta
have these the Jets and and in Carolina because if
you get through, if you go through that stretch, and
even if.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You want and one in that stretch, it's not good.
It's not good.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
And and now the pressure is so heavy on you.
And you know they said heavy is the head that
wears a crown. And this is gonna be a very
bad look on the people who hired you and you
because despite the injuries, there are teams that get injured
every single year.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And they figure out away through coaching. So that that
was my thought.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
I was just like, man, this is this is a heavy,
heavy game for coach Schottenheimer because you go down what's
that one in three?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, that's a tough you down. You know, one in three,
You're already down the division game.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
You're already down with two conference two conference games. Who
it's gonna be a tough, tough road to hoe to
get out of that.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
I'm much wonder though, that will he get in a
kind of a pass because it's Green Bay and its
next two games?
Speaker 7 (22:05):
And that's what I'm saying, like, how do you lose
to Green Bay if it feels.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Like the playoff game a few years ago? I don't
know if you get a pass.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
If it's Wade Phillips in Green Bay?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's like, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Like if you if you go down to the wire
and you losing a last second field goal because y'all
played that well, then I go, okay, cool, Now now
I canna start playing the fiddle.
Speaker 10 (22:28):
Love.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I didn't happen number one.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
This guy's you know, but if this thing if you
if you look up and I think it's thirty four
to six.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You don't and you don't get you don't get the
you don't get the gray spirit that most teams would
get because of the star.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
You know, uh, you gotta you gotta think. We lose
to Philadelphia. I'm like, wow, man, Wow, we lost to Philadelphia.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
There.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I come to this job and everybody talking about man,
boy who if more victories count? Boy, we sure got one.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
You know. Then we we we're gonna shootout with New York.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Oh man, well when as good as we thought, Oh,
but we're gonna get Chicago.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Then you get blowed out.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
See the arrogance of our fans. Win, lose, a draw,
you're gonna get punished. You can't win good enough, and
you definitely can show enough lose bad enough.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
So he's got to win. It's about one.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You know, we dot com come in here and build it up.
But the fans out there, oh, they finna come at them.
They're finna come at them.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's it's a uh you know, it's it's.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I know your mind, yeah, because I don't I don't
know like to to to be facing because next, honestly,
because next what has to happen is that if we're
just kind of going in of usually how thing goes,
somebody gotta get fired. And we know it's not going
to be Shottenheimer, maybe an assistant, a court like somebody.
(24:09):
Because once, and I'm not saying after this game, but
once you get to that point where we've changed and
simplified the system, We've shuffled players in and out, and
it's still not yielding the results of winning, he.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Said, the kind of vibe you were getting when Wilson
or Phillips got fired in twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It was Jason, Yeah, and Jerry said it.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
He said it to us in the meeting, He said,
this is the this is the result of when things
don't go well, somebody has to pay the consequences. Can't
fire fifty three of us, all of us can't go.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
So unless your clone is fifty two of you.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
And Jason Garrets in case he wish he had fifty
three of the one he had left.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
That one go.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I think the difference with that, Kurt is you had
reached a point in the season where that game it
looked like there was no effort. Everybody gave up this
you're still trying to figure it out. Now you don't
figure it out. I mean, this is uncharted territory.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
That's why I'm saying that one maybe because it don't
look like one side of the ball is given the
greatest effort, so.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
You think it's an effort. Issuear not to figure it out,
part because the new scheme new, no preseason.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Or what have you heard from players?
Speaker 7 (25:26):
All I heard all off season this is all I
heard about this defense was how simple it was and
how it's not like ZIM had its last year and
it wasn't confusing, and we can line up and fly
around and you know we're gonna be back to getting
the turnovers.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And like, am I only one that heard? Am I
the only one that heard that?
Speaker 8 (25:44):
I remember.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
For sure.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
But there were multiple players talking about how how much
this defense was more it was easier for them to
play under, and how they would be able to fly
around more and see the ball. You know, we could
see the ball now I want to attack the ball
and all that kind of stuff. We don't have our
back turned so much of the ball and all the
different kind of crazy schemes That's what I heard from
multiple players all off season.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Now, I don't want to I'm not trying to be funny,
and I promise you I'm not trying to be funny.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
But and I'm and this is a fan question.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Do you think because coach Schottenheimer kept it so simple
during training camp and every preseason game was so simple to.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Our guys are confused now?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, because now teams we both know what the playbook
we run through doing training camp ain't the playbook I
saw when when when the real season lit up, the
things that we worked on the basics and all this
and you know, real quainting yourself with these certain routes
and combinations and blocking schemes and a few little new things.
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But then we get to play with won't you know
spent when I was a young guy. You know, I'm like, wow,
this is this is something different. You know, when Shula
came in here, it was like I was already confused
from coach Landry. Then when Shular came in, I said, well,
don't get cut this year because I ain't gonna be
able to figure.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
None of this out. And then then when Norv.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Came and I hate to say this, because we won
super Bowls in North but we had the simplest playbook,
I mean the simplest playbook talent.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Oh you fell for the bait.
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Speaker 8 (30:18):
Thank you, I've had my segment. Jesse's had his segment.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
Kurt you open, Well, we should probably talk about hackers offense.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
A little bit. No, no, no, no, no no, I've had
my segment.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
The don want to hear me breakdowns.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
Well, well, let's go over to our best friend here.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
All right, here's here's my thoughts. If Kurt won't participate.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Maybe trus some questions at you'd be jumping there?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, is I've never heard a coach in my time here.
Our head coach is very He talks about what they're
doing like you said, why they're doing it?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
All that stuff right, very open, very This is why
it tells a lot of stories. Like you know, that's
I think that's why you gravitate towards him because he's
he's a he's a you know, personable person. Right. A
lot of coaches aren't. A lot of coaches hold it
close to the desk. I've never heard a coordinator.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Say this is what like Eberflus, we've simplified this to
where what you said, it's one word calls right.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
I'll give you another quote from another coordinator. We're not
a coordinator, but yeah, coordinator slash off the line of
Clayton Adams. Clayton Adams said, nobody cares about your injuries
and you're expected to play good. We expect the players
in the room when they are when they get the
opportunity to play well. It's like it's difficult, like he's saying,
(31:50):
basically saying, I expect the guys when they get the
opportunities to play well. So, whether that's George Pickens, whether
that's Ryan Floinoyd, whether that's TJ. Bass or who whatever
it is, and he's that's right, Nobody cares that you're injured.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
So you're hearing multiple coaches basically calling out your players
and saying, hey, we're doing all we can do.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
We can only do so much. The rest of it's
on you, guys.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
And that's and here's here's where it becomes scary hours,
spooky hours because players hear that, and now they're like.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
They're pissed at the coaches for throwing them under the bus.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
And now it's like, you're telling people we got one
word called. You're telling people you don't care about. So
now players are like.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I ain't playing for you, Not only.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Am I I got to defend myself now. So now
I gotta defend myself in the media. If it goes.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Wrong, then I'm gonna say something about you.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Then I gotta say something about your scary you go right,
And now that's why I keep saying, like, then it
blows up. That's the difference between a culture in a way,
because if once you don't once you have one guy
that bucks the culture and he pulls another two guys,
it's done. It's finished. It is finished, opposed to it
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being a certain way how you handle yourself. That's how
it is. And and and now that you have coaches
basically because because what it comes out to be is
let me protect my butt.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, those seats start getting hot. Folks ain't looking for you.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
They ain't too many life preservers being thrown off. Everybody
is like, nah, this you know, Titanic, this is my door.
I almost I'm gonna sit on this door or stay
afloat when that when seas start getting hot. And again
you go into this game and you have a defensively
you have another defensive game where you with Jordan Love
and company is three four five hundred yards of total
(33:36):
offense and you they put up the light up the scoreboard.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Yeah, they don't get anything. I mean, what's the good
of doing that? The only thing that could happen. I
guess they hope that this will motivate the guys to
play better, But it seems like all it's gonna.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
Do is That's That's why I said, Man, you're getting
to a point where you're running out of things to.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
And you're kind of at that tipping point now, like
as the coaches, you've called out the players, players aren't
doing their job. Now it's like it goes one way
or the other from here right, three games, four games in.
You you're going after this game, you're either going, we're
gonna get it together and we'll go or you go,
it just fractures and it's gonna be a long, ugly.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Name calling season between.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And that's the difference between winning and losing.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
I hope they hope they're competitive in this game like
they were against Philly and then they you know, they
got some games coming up, you know at the Jets,
at Carolina.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Who knows and just to speak offensively and defensively, you know,
for the for the Green Bay Packers. When you start
talking about that, that basket of coaches in this league,
the mcveigh's, the Shanahan's, the h Stefanskis, and you can
add on the floor to that mix too, like he's
(34:53):
one of those guys that if the and it's it's
the timing of this game, like coming off the Bears
game and what happened in that game, This timing couldn't
have been more worse, more bad, more just because everything
that you struggle with, I discipline, lane, discipline, assignment, like
(35:18):
all of that is the stuff that the Green Bay
Packers tight bunch formations, motions, formations, They got receivers, they
got tight ends, they got a running back that you're
gonna have to tackle for four quarters. They have a
quarterback who's mobile and elusive and has a great, great arm.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
The only thing you, I guess my hope this week
is your Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
The worst thing you got going for usual defense in
your secondary.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
The only thing that gives me a little hope is
Green Bay's offense is really good and solid everywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
But they're not explosive.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
But if you need somebody to fix your explosiveness, this
is the right place.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
The Giants didn't. Prior to the Giants playing.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
The Cowboys, trying to hang on this they they didn't.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Have over two hundred yards of passing they played the
Cowboys have four fifty.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
They don't play the Cowboys. They have nothing two hundred again, just.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Trying to hang on to something.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Their offensive line and I know Cleveland defensive line man
for man right now, right now is better.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Oh, they got a generational passions.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, but the thing is they they whooped green Bay's line.
Green Bays line has been beat up. The center to
me struggled number seventy four. Uh, he struggled Elton Jenkins
and and then and one of their tackles struggled. I
(36:53):
think it was the right tackle struggle. So and I
know that we don't we haven't. You know, you got
to add the defensive line to the defense because they
haven't showed up yet either. They have been exempt from
the the onstraught that the secondary has been taken. That's
(37:15):
your chance. That's your chance because looking at the film,
and Jesse tell me if you feel the same, they
are two and one. But if you look at take
out the film against Cleveland, and take out the film
against Detroit or Washington and just.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Look only at the defense, you would have swore that
won the game. Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
If you look only at their defense, you would have
sworn they beat Cleveland to death. And they lost because
Cleveland defensive line took over and whooped Green Bay. I
mean whooped them five sacks, maybe.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
Ten or fifteen hits on the court.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
They was after him and that kept him at bay
and he missed some plays and they shot down the
running game number eight. I like him, man, Josh Jay,
that boy is the pure I think he had thirty
yards rushing, another forty receiving.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
So they took away their weapons.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
So and I'm not saying the Cowboys are going to
do that, but they're gonna have to play a sound
defensive game, you know, and sometimes.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
But I will say the thing that helped Cleveland be
able to do that, we can't gloss over it. They
have arguably the best pass rusher in the football. You
can say, you can say Michael, say Miles, however you
want to put it there in the conversation of the
two that matters. When he's going crazy, other guys get opportunities.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
On top of that, it was the left tackle that
got beat.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
Yeah, on top of that, you know, when you look
at Cleveland, they had to go some man sometimes how
they was able to bring the pressure to get to
Jordan Love. So those are things that we're saying like
it's there, But we said that the last two weeks,
like leading up to this particular game against Green Bay,
the Cowboys defensive front had went up against probably one
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of the worst offensive line in the Giants and then
there was some holes in that Bears offensive line that
other teams exploited, not even bringing the house or bringing
extra pressure, just one on one whooping up on them.
And we didn't give up. We didn't get there. The
one guy who we should have been attacking. He didn't
give up one pressure that was left and and the
(39:39):
quarterback didn't get sacked for the first time in his career.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Well, well, the clowny is not you know, Miles Garrett level.
But having him there and not knowing how they might
use him, is that any kind of advantage.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
No, because you have to come out and be an impact.
You know, when you when a guy has missed a
lot of time, whether it's two months or whether it's
seventeen months from an injury, you don't know what type
of shape he's in. He can been boxing four rounds
(40:13):
a day at the gym. It's different being on that
football field. And so until we know what clown he is,
until we know exactly how they can use it, you
hoping that he can come and when he rushed, I
hope he has no responsibilities that can free him a
little bit better.
Speaker 8 (40:32):
But now if he got to say that.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Hey man, we want you to get two hands in
the middle of the guy before you start your move,
well he's gonna beat you like the rest of the guys.
Because tackles in this league they praying that you just
get him one second to get both their hands on you.
So if he working a half man and being able
to go inside and outside, yeah, if he's only rushing
the past, but if he's getting in there and they
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run at him.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
And he got a bar down and then go game over.
Speaker 10 (41:00):
You guys been talking about how our guys are just
going right at their chest. Is that a scheme thing?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
In anyway?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I thought it was the first game. I really thought
it was. But I just couldn't see doing that. Russell
Wilson just making sure you just stay in the lane,
you know.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
I just I don't think I think they lack I
think they lack moves. They don't have guys who are
confident in the moves that they have. You know, they
run in the middle of the guys, or they try
to get guys and then late try to rip underneath
and all that. By that time once once, once that
once you get inside close to that tackle.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Because so.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
If you're not, if I'm a tackle and I shouldn't
probably be talking about offensive line, yeah go ahead and
you're good. But if you're a tackle and I know
that this guy that I'm facing is fast speed and
I broke, I have a second on my other show,
deals called It's called kbbus, No No Ball, Better University,
(42:03):
And I'm breaking down how the front of the Green
Bay Packers, how they run this front where they are
dictating who gets still one on one, not you.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
They are, yes, they are.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
They're dictating it, especially if you know on third downs
and it's passing downs, they're dictating who gets still on
on one.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
And so they did it.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
And one of Micah's and uh, one of Micah's half sacks.
People are so worried about his speed. And I show
on the clip where he's going up and under. When
he gets up the field, his foot is planted in
the ground ready for the under move, and you see
the left tackle's foot still in the air. So just
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you think about that, I'm already planted shifting my weight
for the under and your outside foot hasn't touched the
ground yet.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
So by the time your.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
Foot touched the ground and you react, I'm already half
a body around you with momentum and speed even in leaving.
And you know what happened on that particular play. Not
only did Micah get the sack, he also got the
flag for holding because he beat him so bad, so
(43:18):
if a tackle doesn't have to think about you whooping
him on the outside with speed, then I just set
and wait for you. That's a difference when I made
when you're when you're able to give a tackle, some
some thinking, oh man, he gonna beat me around the corner.
Now he got to shoot out there to get there.
What to leave the inside susceptible. So whether I want
to spin back like Dwight Freeni, or whether I want
(43:39):
to up and under, you know, or you know, whether
I want to go hard inside, you go and and I.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Readgie White, hump you because I got you. I got
you leaning.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
The hump only work when I get you leaning because
you were so threatened by that. We don't have a
guy that's on our defensive line that threatens a tackle.
No tackle is like Sam Williams. He's so he gonna
beat me around the edge. So now he's just he's
just setting. He just he doing his normal kicks, and
he's waiting for you. And all you have is what
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you have. Alaraku Fouler. None of the guys bring that
level of of.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Speed to him.
Speaker 7 (44:18):
And and and then where it works, where it works
well for you to go down the middle of a
guy again is if he know, if he thinks I'm
coming off quick, and he goes to soup, so squiping outside.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Boom, Now I can walk down. Now I can walk
him back to the quarterback because he's off balance and
I got him.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
I'm in his chest. He can't, he can't anchor down.
He's now, he's just trying to keep his feet go
so he.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Don't fall over. We don't.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
We don't have anybody that presents that level of pressure
to the opposing teams left or right tackle.
Speaker 8 (44:48):
And then you look at the kid for Cleveland, Miles Garrett. Garrett.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
He crunches hisself like a leopard. He on all fours
and he can run, block, run, defend, all rush the
past and he's down, crunched. He'll do it from tight
five all the way out to a wide nine and
each time he's crushed. So it's no red. It's like
a great picture. There's no red. Only thing you see
(45:16):
is something springing at you. I'm serious, that's ugly.
Speaker 8 (45:20):
Man. When you see a man at six seven, I'm.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Six foot two, bro, So I see a man a
six seven springing out at me, and he already got
an arm on my shoulder and my I got that's
probably I want to dragon.
Speaker 8 (45:32):
I had short on.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Come on, man, and when you go look at the
film at Parsons, he is so scary to the quick.
This is when I know a guy on gave him
a sack. As soon as I see his butt turned
to the sideline.
Speaker 8 (45:52):
If I can.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Stay between my quarterback and Parsons, I'm good. That means
my butt is pointed towards the quarterback, right outside the quarterback.
But as soon as I turn this way, that means
Parsons is going right there. That mean Miles Garrett is
going right there. Because my butt is turned. I have
no surface. I have no surface.
Speaker 8 (46:13):
Look at it. Watch the game.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
If somebody give up a sat nine times out of
seen it, if they bust the game with two guys,
somebody gonna be.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
Turned like this sideways every time because there's no surface.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Good stuff today, fellows.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Can't wait for tomorrow because we got the absolutely nothing
on the run sheet today.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
But it was worth it. It was worth it.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Very rarely do we get a full segment of Nate,
a full segment of Jesse and Me and Kurt get
to talk somewhere in between.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Man, This is a good show. Tune in tomorrow game predictions.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
I don't You're probably not gonna like it based off
today's conversation, but tune in anyway.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Maybe the count calls. I got some special uh by
a quarter of a point this week, Chris, thanks for
keeping us on the record.
Speaker 8 (46:59):
We will be set.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
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same time, same place.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Were we out.
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Speaker 8 (02:49):
Like that skin job.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I like the new ones ones.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I like the sugar season and they had.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The new ones are good. They still do the sugar season.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
It's not as it's not as poke. I still like
them though they're not they're not. I just like the
old one.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I appreciate the change.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I can sit these new ones on my seat, not
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, hey, when you order fries at wingstop, you get
fries a bowl of fries.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Man, Yeah, Kurt, this year you might be out of business.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
One pump, get your flag this year.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Not still too pumps. You can't pump in the direction
of a player.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
I get it, Like what if.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You what if you what if you turn around and
and and the real thrust is backwards a twerk that's
a turk.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, almost a one one gotta do it out of
the leave with that type. I guess as long as
you don't look over your shoulder and find this.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Year, I guess if you look back at it. Though,
if you look back at it when your that might
be a flag.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What's amazing the things that they miss in the in
the petty things that they're attacking and it's god.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
They hitting up for some fines too. Yeah, they hit
CD and in George last week for almost fifty grand.
You know what tho combined they had they had the
what Yeah, they had the celebration.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, the celebration that they did two weeks ago they had.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
They hit him for They hit him for twelve thousand
a piece and then didn't George got another one.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
For some CD got on the ground for the Yeah,
for the taunting.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
And then they got they got another like fourteen grand
apiece for the uh for the deal.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Geez.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
You know, give you give the refs a lot of grief,
we all do. But the human element, as fast as
this game moves and as many bodies as there are
out there, they do a damn good job of like
getting a lot of it, most of it, right. I
Mean when you slow it down and you watch it
(04:51):
on TV, you're like, oh, yeah, that was a hole.
But if you've ever been on a football field and
you know how fast that stuff goes, I mean there's
some that they missed that are but for them to
get as much as they do, right, the only one
I don't The only one I don't I can't ever
figure out it's holding.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You could call holding on every single.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
Game sixteen hours, Oh my god, Like when here the
next Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Every single play you could call a holding.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
But I think they you know, we give him a
lot of crap, but they do a pretty good.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
Job in real time. So you know, sometimes I just
had to out of the way thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm sorry, and this is already straight at you, Jesse,
and it's not bad.
Speaker 8 (05:32):
I want to know what is the number one receiver?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Oh, don't do this.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Hell love when he comes here, you know what he did.
He heard something, he heard something last night or this morning,
and he gonna call him out my name or tell
you where he heard it.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
But it's like, you know, I've heard like eight or
nine guys.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Just it's on his jersey, right, just one line. You
got a number one.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't think a lot of people understand. We throw well,
throw away, We throw around the words greatness, exation, generational,
and I'm like, are you just trying to get likes?
Speaker 8 (06:22):
What? What's the new things? I don't want to miss
the new things that they.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Call it engagement.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You're trying to get engagement for me, You're trying to
make sure that your show runs an extra episode, because
I'm the guy that can't pronounce words, but I do
know the definition definition of most of these words, and
y'all guys are using them wrong. I mean to me,
(06:50):
and I got to go with the guy I played with.
Michael Irvin was a number one receiver. Alvin Harper wasn't.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He was very good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
He was a specialty receiver. He ran certain routes. Well,
now let me go even further. I'm gonna use a
basketball analogy. When you play for a team that wins
twenty five games and you're the number one shooter, and
(07:24):
you shoot thirty times a game and average twenty points
a game, and then you go to the next team
and you're the fifth option, but you are the number
one on the other team. This ain't the other team, dog. Okay,
So I said a whole lot. Only the intelligent.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
Will get it, and the rest of y'all.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Will continue to use the wrong definitions for certain words.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
Don't need for me the same words now, man, we
just come on, fellas and girls, do you not watch football?
Speaker 8 (08:06):
Do you not watch football?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I challenge and anybody that want to walk up to
me and explain to me what Michael Irvin looked like.
I played with him. Okay, I know what Jerry Rice
looked like. I know what the kid in Cincinnati look like.
I know what the kid in Minnesota look like. I
know what CD look like. Don't you can't make everybody
(08:29):
these guys. Everybody ain't going to the Hall of Fame now.
They're gonna put some some duds in there. They're coming soon.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
But hey, I like.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
That.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
All right, Well keep going, come through for the whole
show or just for now.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And I'm just just didn't want to ask some man,
I didn't want to answer, didn't want to answer.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I have a chance to You did what you had
to do. I got out the way.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
We're over hyping folks here.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Nate just wants a clarification, man.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
Yeah, man, cause Jesson I stopped. If Jesse was going
to eat, I like, jess it, what's going on here?
But anyway, Hey, come on, y'all, let's go. Let's go chant.
I'm sorry, y'all, let me do.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Let's just take a break.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Let's take a break, start to show, yeah, and then
we'll start over the week come back, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, hanging with the boys be right back.
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Speaker 5 (11:49):
Speaking of inspiration, Jesse went into deep thought mode yesterday.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
Yes he did two days ago.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
He kind of went off somewhere in his mind.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
He locked himself in the closet and he's back out today.
And I want to know, what were you thinking about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That you got just real quiet? Yeah about coat is
about coach.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yes, so we got a whole segment dedicated to you.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Well, here's the thing when and you know, coach Schottenheimer
is the new head football coach. And you know, one
of the things that when he came to the Cowboys
and they announced him as a head football coach, the
one thing that everyone had raved about was, boy, he
can talk. Boy, you get him in the room, he
gets you in the room, he's gonna be able to talk.
(12:38):
And you know, one of the things that I caution
people then for and I still caution people now about
that is at some point in time and his big
thing was is about culture, right, like, oh, culture, culture, culture,
and it's the vibes, and you know, they're dancing on
the football field and they're creating this coach and all
that kind of good stuff do all throughout the office,
(12:58):
and then everybody ate that stuff up and I'm just like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That only works well when there's wins behind that.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
And so now, like I just was thinking about that
and thinking about that throughout the time.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And this is why I.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Keep talking about your culture has to be like your
It has to be a way and not a culture.
Culture don't get you through this. I'm sorry what they're
going through right now. Culture doesn't get you through this.
It's it's a way. It's a habit that has to
get you through this. There has to be because now
(13:34):
what you're and you tell me if I'm wrong or not,
but now what you start to have in the locker
room is division. You start to have the conversation of
offense defense. Damn dog, were doing our job, y'all do
your job. And now all the attention, the negative attention,
(13:54):
is on the defense. So now you start getting attention
in between that is the front in the back end.
Damn y'all not getting to the quarterback. Damn y'all not
covering nobody in the back end. And then now you
have to keep putting coaches at the podium and coaches
at the podium to talk this thing too. Kelch eber
Flu said today that they had they got it. They
had to simplify their defense so much that they're down
(14:17):
to one word calls to call their defense. What type
of high school Harry bullcrap is that? But I just
thought about, coach Schottenheimer. Is the gift, the gab and
the ability to have prolific wordplay.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
My boy is running out.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
We're in week four if you take because now first
it's earlier in the year, right, and then your next
thing is, you know, hey, we're getting stuff together.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
We were close, right.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Then you kind of get a shoot out victory and
people kind of give you a little bit of grace
because you got a victory.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Right, it wasn't pretty.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
You can pick a lot of things out of that
if you're really looking at the film.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
The proper way and go that wasn't good football.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Then you go on the road and you lose bad,
and that's another week of the communication, the execution. All
these things are happening. So now as a coach, you
have to keep getting out here and talking to us
cause you don't get it. You don't get to go away.
It's not like you're a coordinator in you know you're
on an off day or you don't have to speak,
(15:25):
or they don't have to see your face. As a
head coach, you have to keep coming up there and
preaching this message.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And I'm looking at it and I'm just like.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
You're talking about now, scheme change, player change, Like the
road to getting people to still believe you is running out,
because even like this was after the thoughts that I
had on Monday, was even like even yesterday, there's sometimes
as a coach, there's some things that you can say,
(15:57):
some things that you can think something that you shouldn't say,
Like you came out yesterday and kind of was like,
and we're gonna hold you to these things when you
say we're good enough to beat Green Bay without these guys,
and then you went on to give an explanation of
why you thought that you ain't have to say that
that was that wasn't something that you had to say.
But you now write these checks that we're going to
have to because if you go out and you lose
(16:20):
badly to Green Bay, because if we're being honest, before
Micah got traded, before Ceedee Lamb got hurt, before Tyler
Booker got hurt and all the other injuries. We can
pull out the record sheet. We all had to lose
in the Green Bay, fully healthy, fully healthy at home.
So I just I'm looking at this thing and the message,
(16:44):
the culture, the messaging of it. When did that begin
to run out?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
For coach? And what now is your second pitch? Right?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Like?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Like you all right, we got the fastball, we get it.
You can talk game, but now what happens now? And
then the other part of that I was, I was
kind of on the other side of it is and
I've said it on this show many times. I believe
that your quarterback should be worth two wins by himself, right.
(17:18):
I believe that wholeheartedly, that your quarterback is supposed to
go out there and do something so spectacular twice a
year as you go. That's why they pay me x
amount of dollars. That's why we're the highest paid position
in the league. But I also believe really good coaches,
to great coaches should be worth a win and a
half to two wins as well, that they just I
(17:39):
mean coach their tail.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Every year, Belichick had a game or two that he.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Was the Chiefs. So I have that Sean mcvail.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
You know, look at look like I look at the
Niners right now, three and ohero rash of injuries, same
thing last year, rash of injuries, Detroit rash Detroit, rash
of injuries. Your coach should be worth a win and
a half. To me, here's the moment. Here's like you.
(18:09):
You want to show yourself as the right guy for
the job. In these moments is where you got to
show up.
Speaker 10 (18:16):
Big, your coach, first year head coach.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Do this.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
You have to because you've talked such a great game
to us, and you've you've given so much hope to
the fan base coming into this season about your style
of offense and about you.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
This is when you and and the win doesn't have
to be a blowout.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
It's in these games where you're not expected to win
at all, Cleveland at all.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You got to go and pull out something.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
If it's a twelve eleven game, you want it because
you made all the right calls at the right times.
You you you, you, You practice like you've never practiced before.
You've called on your other coaches to give me your best. Hey,
give me give me your best fifteen fifteen plays. And
I'm just gonna I'm gonna script these things up. I'm
a dissect this film. I'm gonna find that I'm gonna
(19:08):
find that thing that Ben Johnson fouled on you.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Defensively, it said, oh nah, we went.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Back last year and watch some of his film and
what they were susceptible with, and we just waited our
time to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Boom happened like that.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
You know what I'm saying, Like that's how you go
in there and and so like that's I've just been
thinking about that, and I'm just like, man, if you
want to win over a fan base even more like
you got to coach a tailoff. This has to be
one of these games where coach Schottenheimer is in his
the biggest bag and go so so so I mean
(19:43):
reaching down in there and grabbing whatever you can scheme
this thing up.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
Would you consider it a success if like Philadelphia, they
were close but didn't win, or is this he's at
a point now where he's gotta put up wins.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
You gotta win, you gotta because of the losses that
you've taken. It's one thing if he was been nailed
biers In like you let Russell Wilson go for four
point fifty. And I know it's a defense, but your
this is your in your household right as ahead of
your household. When things go wrong, doesn't matter who did it.
(20:17):
They gonna say, well, Kurt, aren't you the head.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Of this household? How did this happen? Now I gotta
come talk to the head of the household. So no
matter what side of the ball, and then it comes
to you're the head of the household.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
You're the head of You're the head football coach. Everything
goes through you. And it's one thing to lose to
Green Bay. It would be a whole other thing to
get demoralized and get smoked like that. That's something that
you can't you can't let happen. And that if it does,
(20:53):
if you lose, boy, these next two games, you gotta
have these the Jets and and in Carolina because if
you get through, if you go through that stretch, and
even if.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You want and one in that stretch, it's not good.
It's not good.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
And and now the pressure is so heavy on you.
And you know they said heavy is the head that
wears a crown. And this is gonna be a very
bad look on the people who hired you and you
because despite the injuries, there are teams that get injured
every single year.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And they figure out away through coaching. So that that
was my thought.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
I was just like, man, this is this is a heavy,
heavy game for coach Schottenheimer because you go down what's
that one in three?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, that's a tough you down. You know, one in three,
You're already down the division game.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
You're already down with two conference two conference games. Who
it's gonna be a tough, tough road to hoe to
get out of that.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
I'm much wonder though, that will he get in a
kind of a pass because it's Green Bay and its
next two games?
Speaker 7 (22:05):
And that's what I'm saying, like, how do you lose
to Green Bay if it feels.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Like the playoff game a few years ago? I don't
know if you get a pass.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
If it's Wade Phillips in Green Bay?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's like, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Like if you if you go down to the wire
and you losing a last second field goal because y'all
played that well, then I go, okay, cool, Now now
I canna start playing the fiddle.
Speaker 10 (22:28):
Love.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I didn't happen number one.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
This guy's you know, but if this thing if you
if you look up and I think it's thirty four
to six.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You don't and you don't get you don't get the
you don't get the gray spirit that most teams would
get because of the star.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
You know, uh, you gotta you gotta think. We lose
to Philadelphia. I'm like, wow, man, Wow, we lost to Philadelphia.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
There.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I come to this job and everybody talking about man,
boy who if more victories count? Boy, we sure got one.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
You know. Then we we we're gonna shootout with New York.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Oh man, well when as good as we thought, Oh,
but we're gonna get Chicago.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Then you get blowed out.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
See the arrogance of our fans. Win, lose, a draw,
you're gonna get punished. You can't win good enough, and
you definitely can show enough lose bad enough.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
So he's got to win. It's about one.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You know, we dot com come in here and build it up.
But the fans out there, oh, they finna come at them.
They're finna come at them.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's it's a uh you know, it's it's.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I know your mind, yeah, because I don't I don't
know like to to to be facing because next, honestly,
because next what has to happen is that if we're
just kind of going in of usually how thing goes,
somebody gotta get fired. And we know it's not going
to be Shottenheimer, maybe an assistant, a court like somebody.
(24:09):
Because once, and I'm not saying after this game, but
once you get to that point where we've changed and
simplified the system, We've shuffled players in and out, and
it's still not yielding the results of winning, he.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Said, the kind of vibe you were getting when Wilson
or Phillips got fired in twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It was Jason, Yeah, and Jerry said it.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
He said it to us in the meeting, He said,
this is the this is the result of when things
don't go well, somebody has to pay the consequences. Can't
fire fifty three of us, all of us can't go.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
So unless your clone is fifty two of you.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
And Jason Garrets in case he wish he had fifty
three of the one he had left.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
That one go.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I think the difference with that, Kurt is you had
reached a point in the season where that game it
looked like there was no effort. Everybody gave up this
you're still trying to figure it out. Now you don't
figure it out. I mean, this is uncharted territory.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
That's why I'm saying that one maybe because it don't
look like one side of the ball is given the
greatest effort, so.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
You think it's an effort. Issuear not to figure it out,
part because the new scheme new, no preseason.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Or what have you heard from players?
Speaker 7 (25:26):
All I heard all off season this is all I
heard about this defense was how simple it was and
how it's not like ZIM had its last year and
it wasn't confusing, and we can line up and fly
around and you know we're gonna be back to getting
the turnovers.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And like, am I only one that heard? Am I
the only one that heard that?
Speaker 8 (25:44):
I remember.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
For sure.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
But there were multiple players talking about how how much
this defense was more it was easier for them to
play under, and how they would be able to fly
around more and see the ball. You know, we could
see the ball now I want to attack the ball
and all that kind of stuff. We don't have our
back turned so much of the ball and all the
different kind of crazy schemes That's what I heard from
multiple players all off season.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Now, I don't want to I'm not trying to be funny,
and I promise you I'm not trying to be funny.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
But and I'm and this is a fan question.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Do you think because coach Schottenheimer kept it so simple
during training camp and every preseason game was so simple to.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Our guys are confused now?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, because now teams we both know what the playbook
we run through doing training camp ain't the playbook I
saw when when when the real season lit up, the
things that we worked on the basics and all this
and you know, real quainting yourself with these certain routes
and combinations and blocking schemes and a few little new things.
(26:52):
But then we get to play with won't you know
spent when I was a young guy. You know, I'm like, wow,
this is this is something different. You know, when Shula
came in here, it was like I was already confused
from coach Landry. Then when Shular came in, I said, well,
don't get cut this year because I ain't gonna be
able to figure.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
None of this out. And then then when Norv.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Came and I hate to say this, because we won
super Bowls in North but we had the simplest playbook,
I mean the simplest playbook talent.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Oh you fell for the bait.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
All right, let's take our second break when we come back,
or football talk on hanging with the boys?
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Speaker 8 (30:18):
Thank you, I've had my segment. Jesse's had his segment.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
Kurt you open, Well, we should probably talk about hackers offense.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
A little bit. No, no, no, no, no no, I've had
my segment.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
The don want to hear me breakdowns.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
Well, well, let's go over to our best friend here.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
All right, here's here's my thoughts. If Kurt won't participate.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Maybe trus some questions at you'd be jumping there?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, is I've never heard a coach in my time here.
Our head coach is very He talks about what they're
doing like you said, why they're doing it?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
All that stuff right, very open, very This is why
it tells a lot of stories. Like you know, that's
I think that's why you gravitate towards him because he's
he's a he's a you know, personable person. Right. A
lot of coaches aren't. A lot of coaches hold it
close to the desk. I've never heard a coordinator.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Say this is what like Eberflus, we've simplified this to
where what you said, it's one word calls right.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
I'll give you another quote from another coordinator. We're not
a coordinator, but yeah, coordinator slash off the line of
Clayton Adams. Clayton Adams said, nobody cares about your injuries
and you're expected to play good. We expect the players
in the room when they are when they get the
opportunity to play well. It's like it's difficult, like he's saying,
(31:50):
basically saying, I expect the guys when they get the
opportunities to play well. So, whether that's George Pickens, whether
that's Ryan Floinoyd, whether that's TJ. Bass or who whatever
it is, and he's that's right, Nobody cares that you're injured.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
So you're hearing multiple coaches basically calling out your players
and saying, hey, we're doing all we can do.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
We can only do so much. The rest of it's
on you, guys.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
And that's and here's here's where it becomes scary hours,
spooky hours because players hear that, and now they're like.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
They're pissed at the coaches for throwing them under the bus.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
And now it's like, you're telling people we got one
word called. You're telling people you don't care about. So
now players are like.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I ain't playing for you, Not only.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Am I I got to defend myself now. So now
I gotta defend myself in the media. If it goes.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Wrong, then I'm gonna say something about you.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Then I gotta say something about your scary you go right,
And now that's why I keep saying, like, then it
blows up. That's the difference between a culture in a way,
because if once you don't once you have one guy
that bucks the culture and he pulls another two guys,
it's done. It's finished. It is finished, opposed to it
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being a certain way how you handle yourself. That's how
it is. And and and now that you have coaches
basically because because what it comes out to be is
let me protect my butt.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, those seats start getting hot. Folks ain't looking for you.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
They ain't too many life preservers being thrown off. Everybody
is like, nah, this you know, Titanic, this is my door.
I almost I'm gonna sit on this door or stay
afloat when that when seas start getting hot. And again
you go into this game and you have a defensively
you have another defensive game where you with Jordan Love
and company is three four five hundred yards of total
(33:36):
offense and you they put up the light up the scoreboard.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Yeah, they don't get anything. I mean, what's the good
of doing that? The only thing that could happen. I
guess they hope that this will motivate the guys to
play better, But it seems like all it's gonna.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
Do is That's That's why I said, Man, you're getting
to a point where you're running out of things to.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
And you're kind of at that tipping point now, like
as the coaches, you've called out the players, players aren't
doing their job. Now it's like it goes one way
or the other from here right, three games, four games in.
You you're going after this game, you're either going, we're
gonna get it together and we'll go or you go,
it just fractures and it's gonna be a long, ugly.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Name calling season between.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And that's the difference between winning and losing.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
I hope they hope they're competitive in this game like
they were against Philly and then they you know, they
got some games coming up, you know at the Jets,
at Carolina.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Who knows and just to speak offensively and defensively, you know,
for the for the Green Bay Packers. When you start
talking about that, that basket of coaches in this league,
the mcveigh's, the Shanahan's, the h Stefanskis, and you can
add on the floor to that mix too, like he's
(34:53):
one of those guys that if the and it's it's
the timing of this game, like coming off the Bears
game and what happened in that game, This timing couldn't
have been more worse, more bad, more just because everything
that you struggle with, I discipline, lane, discipline, assignment, like
(35:18):
all of that is the stuff that the Green Bay
Packers tight bunch formations, motions, formations, They got receivers, they
got tight ends, they got a running back that you're
gonna have to tackle for four quarters. They have a
quarterback who's mobile and elusive and has a great, great arm.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
The only thing you, I guess my hope this week
is your Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
The worst thing you got going for usual defense in
your secondary.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
The only thing that gives me a little hope is
Green Bay's offense is really good and solid everywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
But they're not explosive.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
But if you need somebody to fix your explosiveness, this
is the right place.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
The Giants didn't. Prior to the Giants playing.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
The Cowboys, trying to hang on this they they didn't.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Have over two hundred yards of passing they played the
Cowboys have four fifty.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
They don't play the Cowboys. They have nothing two hundred again, just.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Trying to hang on to something.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Their offensive line and I know Cleveland defensive line man
for man right now, right now is better.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Oh, they got a generational passions.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, but the thing is they they whooped green Bay's line.
Green Bays line has been beat up. The center to
me struggled number seventy four. Uh, he struggled Elton Jenkins
and and then and one of their tackles struggled. I
(36:53):
think it was the right tackle struggle. So and I
know that we don't we haven't. You know, you got
to add the defensive line to the defense because they
haven't showed up yet either. They have been exempt from
the the onstraught that the secondary has been taken. That's
(37:15):
your chance. That's your chance because looking at the film,
and Jesse tell me if you feel the same, they
are two and one. But if you look at take
out the film against Cleveland, and take out the film
against Detroit or Washington and just.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Look only at the defense, you would have swore that
won the game. Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
If you look only at their defense, you would have
sworn they beat Cleveland to death. And they lost because
Cleveland defensive line took over and whooped Green Bay. I
mean whooped them five sacks, maybe.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
Ten or fifteen hits on the court.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
They was after him and that kept him at bay
and he missed some plays and they shot down the
running game number eight. I like him, man, Josh Jay,
that boy is the pure I think he had thirty
yards rushing, another forty receiving.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
So they took away their weapons.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
So and I'm not saying the Cowboys are going to
do that, but they're gonna have to play a sound
defensive game, you know, and sometimes.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
But I will say the thing that helped Cleveland be
able to do that, we can't gloss over it. They
have arguably the best pass rusher in the football. You
can say, you can say Michael, say Miles, however you
want to put it there in the conversation of the
two that matters. When he's going crazy, other guys get opportunities.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
On top of that, it was the left tackle that
got beat.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
Yeah, on top of that, you know, when you look
at Cleveland, they had to go some man sometimes how
they was able to bring the pressure to get to
Jordan Love. So those are things that we're saying like
it's there, But we said that the last two weeks,
like leading up to this particular game against Green Bay,
the Cowboys defensive front had went up against probably one
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of the worst offensive line in the Giants and then
there was some holes in that Bears offensive line that
other teams exploited, not even bringing the house or bringing
extra pressure, just one on one whooping up on them.
And we didn't give up. We didn't get there. The
one guy who we should have been attacking. He didn't
give up one pressure that was left and and the
(39:39):
quarterback didn't get sacked for the first time in his career.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Well, well, the clowny is not you know, Miles Garrett level.
But having him there and not knowing how they might
use him, is that any kind of advantage.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
No, because you have to come out and be an impact.
You know, when you when a guy has missed a
lot of time, whether it's two months or whether it's
seventeen months from an injury, you don't know what type
of shape he's in. He can been boxing four rounds
(40:13):
a day at the gym. It's different being on that
football field. And so until we know what clown he is,
until we know exactly how they can use it, you
hoping that he can come and when he rushed, I
hope he has no responsibilities that can free him a
little bit better.
Speaker 8 (40:32):
But now if he got to say that.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Hey man, we want you to get two hands in
the middle of the guy before you start your move,
well he's gonna beat you like the rest of the guys.
Because tackles in this league they praying that you just
get him one second to get both their hands on you.
So if he working a half man and being able
to go inside and outside, yeah, if he's only rushing
the past, but if he's getting in there and they
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run at him.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
And he got a bar down and then go game over.
Speaker 10 (41:00):
You guys been talking about how our guys are just
going right at their chest. Is that a scheme thing?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
In anyway?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I thought it was the first game. I really thought
it was. But I just couldn't see doing that. Russell
Wilson just making sure you just stay in the lane,
you know.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
I just I don't think I think they lack I
think they lack moves. They don't have guys who are
confident in the moves that they have. You know, they
run in the middle of the guys, or they try
to get guys and then late try to rip underneath
and all that. By that time once once, once that
once you get inside close to that tackle.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Because so.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
If you're not, if I'm a tackle and I shouldn't
probably be talking about offensive line, yeah go ahead and
you're good. But if you're a tackle and I know
that this guy that I'm facing is fast speed and
I broke, I have a second on my other show,
deals called It's called kbbus, No No Ball, Better University,
(42:03):
And I'm breaking down how the front of the Green
Bay Packers, how they run this front where they are
dictating who gets still one on one, not you.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
They are, yes, they are.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
They're dictating it, especially if you know on third downs
and it's passing downs, they're dictating who gets still on
on one.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
And so they did it.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
And one of Micah's and uh, one of Micah's half sacks.
People are so worried about his speed. And I show
on the clip where he's going up and under. When
he gets up the field, his foot is planted in
the ground ready for the under move, and you see
the left tackle's foot still in the air. So just
(42:48):
you think about that, I'm already planted shifting my weight
for the under and your outside foot hasn't touched the
ground yet.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
So by the time your.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
Foot touched the ground and you react, I'm already half
a body around you with momentum and speed even in leaving.
And you know what happened on that particular play. Not
only did Micah get the sack, he also got the
flag for holding because he beat him so bad, so
(43:18):
if a tackle doesn't have to think about you whooping
him on the outside with speed, then I just set
and wait for you. That's a difference when I made
when you're when you're able to give a tackle, some
some thinking, oh man, he gonna beat me around the corner.
Now he got to shoot out there to get there.
What to leave the inside susceptible. So whether I want
to spin back like Dwight Freeni, or whether I want
(43:39):
to up and under, you know, or you know, whether
I want to go hard inside, you go and and I.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Readgie White, hump you because I got you. I got
you leaning.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
The hump only work when I get you leaning because
you were so threatened by that. We don't have a
guy that's on our defensive line that threatens a tackle.
No tackle is like Sam Williams. He's so he gonna
beat me around the edge. So now he's just he's
just setting. He just he doing his normal kicks, and
he's waiting for you. And all you have is what
(44:09):
you have. Alaraku Fouler. None of the guys bring that
level of of.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Speed to him.
Speaker 7 (44:18):
And and and then where it works, where it works
well for you to go down the middle of a
guy again is if he know, if he thinks I'm
coming off quick, and he goes to soup, so squiping outside.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Boom, Now I can walk down. Now I can walk
him back to the quarterback because he's off balance and
I got him.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
I'm in his chest. He can't, he can't anchor down.
He's now, he's just trying to keep his feet go
so he.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Don't fall over. We don't.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
We don't have anybody that presents that level of pressure
to the opposing teams left or right tackle.
Speaker 8 (44:48):
And then you look at the kid for Cleveland, Miles Garrett. Garrett.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
He crunches hisself like a leopard. He on all fours
and he can run, block, run, defend, all rush the
past and he's down, crunched. He'll do it from tight
five all the way out to a wide nine and
each time he's crushed. So it's no red. It's like
a great picture. There's no red. Only thing you see
(45:16):
is something springing at you. I'm serious, that's ugly.
Speaker 8 (45:20):
Man. When you see a man at six seven, I'm.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Six foot two, bro, So I see a man a
six seven springing out at me, and he already got
an arm on my shoulder and my I got that's
probably I want to dragon.
Speaker 8 (45:32):
I had short on.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Come on, man, and when you go look at the
film at Parsons, he is so scary to the quick.
This is when I know a guy on gave him
a sack. As soon as I see his butt turned
to the sideline.
Speaker 8 (45:52):
If I can.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Stay between my quarterback and Parsons, I'm good. That means
my butt is pointed towards the quarterback, right outside the quarterback.
But as soon as I turn this way, that means
Parsons is going right there. That mean Miles Garrett is
going right there. Because my butt is turned. I have
no surface. I have no surface.
Speaker 8 (46:13):
Look at it. Watch the game.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
If somebody give up a sat nine times out of
seen it, if they bust the game with two guys,
somebody gonna be.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
Turned like this sideways every time because there's no surface.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Good stuff today, fellows.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Can't wait for tomorrow because we got the absolutely nothing
on the run sheet today.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
But it was worth it. It was worth it.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Very rarely do we get a full segment of Nate,
a full segment of Jesse and Me and Kurt get
to talk somewhere in between.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Man, This is a good show. Tune in tomorrow game predictions.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
I don't You're probably not gonna like it based off
today's conversation, but tune in anyway.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Maybe the count calls. I got some special uh by
a quarter of a point this week, Chris, thanks for
keeping us on the record.
Speaker 8 (46:59):
We will be set.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
She's not back there today. We will be back tomorrow,
same time, same place.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Were we out.
Speaker 9 (47:07):
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