August 4, 2025 • 51 mins
Shannon Gross and Jesse Holley talk about all things Dallas Cowboys while Nate Newton joins live from Oxnard, California.
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day and sounding a good day to me.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well we are we are without Kurt Daniels today in studio.
Uh so uh but we you have Nate joining us
live from Oxnar. The weather, I'm I don't even need
to ask about the weather. That place degree place is perfect.
When you're out there and he gets up to like
eighty three, they're like, man, it is hot.
Speaker 8 (02:12):
And I'll tell you everybody the shade I know.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And then what's crazy is if you spend a month
out there, you start feeling the same way. You're like,
it's eighty five. I gotta get burning up. I gotta
get some sunscreen on here. That's called six o'clock am. Yeah,
so Nate, more pads on Saturday. What are you seeing?
How you feeling? What's going on? The update?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
This?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Man, enough of this, We'll get to this contract talk
after we get you off the line. We want to
know what's going on in real life out there.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
What do you say?
Speaker 8 (02:45):
They moving fast, they going hard? They worked out Collins boy,
he looked great the other things, but he's doing that
break in period that the NFL asks him to do.
Favorite new player. But I'm saying he looked good. But
I saw some one on one pass rush this past
couple of practices, and so everybody's looking good. The right guard,
(03:10):
I want to see how he looked in past rush.
He looked nice. Two or three pass rushes he got.
They do a lot of eleven on eleven, so you
don't get to see, uh, just where guys can show
their showcase their talents in a one on one setting.
But everybody's doing well. Sam Williams is looking nice. I
(03:30):
can't think of that. The kids name the defensive man
number forty one, Yes, sir, he got a nice quick step.
He's playing a little linebacker slash defensive vent so he
get a little coverage time. Everything's looking good. Tyler Smith
have not seen him the last two or three days.
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He's taking a little sabbatical somewhere with a little bump knee.
So they put in Hoffman at that left guard and
he's doing okay. You know, he's not what just left
out of there, but he's he's holding up pretty good.
And they just need to get some depth there with
Liel and he's doing his thing. And I know we
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don't really have a third receiver because that is the
Jayson Ferguson. But the other guys, boy, they are not
doing it right. They're dropping so many passes out here. Man,
I just can't believe it. I mean, I guess it's
the new style. Guy DB's allowed to be a little
bit more handsy.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (04:32):
You know that number seven holding is doing a better
job than than the Tobars.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You know.
Speaker 8 (04:39):
So the Tobers are the Jalens or whoever they call themselves.
They got to pick their game up. Jalen Brooks and
maybe three you gotta pick his game of Jalen Tober.
You got to pick his game up. Uh, Cavan Dee Turpin.
It seemed like every other series belonged to him. Me
that running back that the slot receiver are outside. They
are getting this kid reps, y'all. I don't know what
(05:01):
that means. It's early in the training camp, but we'll
find out tomorrow. We will find out tomorrow because well,
the Verse a different dimension that is coming in. It's
called the verse, baby, very verse. You know. So in
this group of guys. Man. Uh, it's been a good
solid training camp. Baring of the knick knack injuries, it's
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been a good solid training camp. We'll see that we're
coming into the next stage and that'll be tomorrow. You know.
Like I said, a new dimension coming in here with
led by Jared Verse, a second year guy who never
stops talking and got the ability and the talent to
back it up.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Nate, I was gonna, you know, ask about because you're
your your religious amount of being out there at every
single training camp. So you've been there for the Jason
Garrett era, You've been there for the Michael from Pittsburgh era,
and now this being the era beginning for coach Schottenheimer.
If you can compare the last three head coaches and
(06:02):
the beginning of their training camps, give it. Give it
to me in order as kind of like how the
team overall, the energy, the way that you feel about
how training camp is going early on between what it
was and the Jason Garrett, Michael McCarthy and now under
Brian Schoenheimer.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
You know, Jason Garrett was pretty pretty good because he had,
I think, to found better players defensive lad offense. He
had offensive line he didn't have to worry about. I
had to do was plug in the back. He had
Tony Romo starting out. So I think Jason, just by
sheer numbers of talented players had had the better training camps.
(06:39):
He get set the better tempo. You know, guys knew
how to play the game.
Speaker 9 (06:43):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
You know, they still didn't have a lot of playoff success.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
I think coach McCarthy can ran into hiccup with it because
he had the pandemic era, so he had to build
get guys going, kind of plug it in his way
and he went to roll it. But training camp as
far as just uh the roughness, the uh, the feistingess,
I gotta get coaching now. This coach here to coach
(07:07):
Ausmos's boy, I guess, but he can learn some things
by just watching. Because these guys they they you know,
they still getting after it. They're still going hard. Uh.
They don't go period after period like the first two
or three days, they just went period after period after
period just running right and running.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
They've they've kind of figured out what they wanted to
do and they picked their times when they want to
do that. But they're still very handsy, very physical.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
For what these days.
Speaker 8 (07:35):
Of training camp is.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
He's still preaching fundamental football, discipline football, but high speed football.
So I give Jason one, this coach here two, and
uh just a close one third by coach McCarthy. Just
sometimes my end training camp, which are my end training camp.
I just want to see how the fourth phase is
gonna be uhh when we do the uh the preseason games.
(08:02):
Will you play these guys and give them opportunity? I'm
talking about from the ones you know, to the twos
to the threes, where you play these guys and give
them enough rep so they can see and you can
see who what you raly have you know once once
they go to this four phase.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So you covered a lot of ground in your in
your intro. Yeah, So let's break down a couple of
those things. One you mentioned Tyler Smith battling what they're
calling I think knee tendony this right?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Is that in training camp when you have a guy
that that is dependable and as good as he is
that you don't have to worry about and he misses
a few practices, is that kind of a good thing
because you get to insert someone else in there to
see what they got with the with the with the
ones and know really know a little bit more information
(08:55):
about what you have backing him up.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
Well, you know it's who was coming in at the
left tackle and his TJ bads. I mean to she
would left guard TJ Bads home, So you know who
these guys are. But we're working with a new left
tackle and Nate Tomings, so I would really like for
him to be in there. But with him being out,
it's not a major loss. It's not a major loss.
(09:20):
I mean because we know who he is. We just
was hoping that guys can stay healthy, so we can
just get a build, get get some bonding built there
and some unity built so guys can know how each
other playing, what each other's salt seals with different looks.
But that's not a major thing, not this early in campus.
We can get him back next week and get him
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back rocking and rolling so they can get some keep
that rhythm going. That'll be a great team.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And then you mentioned Lyle and you said he looked
pretty good. Were you were you surprised to hear his
name and then surprised that they actually signed him. You
think he's got something.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
Left, you know, I heard uh, Justice and the miss
uh Migga Spagnola talking about it and uh.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I said, and I said, I said, he jokes.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
So I heard him talking about him in my mind, Jess,
I'm like, oh, come on, man. And then I was
walking away from the shoulder other day and there's my
nay nay, and I turned around and it was Lyell
and brother, he's gotta been a lost leaves at minimum
of twenty pounds, twenty five pounds. This guy does not
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look the same. So I'm like, okay, he lost weight.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And then it.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
Intrigued me so much time I went out there and
watched him work him out. His lateral movement was great,
his knees would bend, his hips was flexible, and I
just was just a little fiteen to twenty minute workout
he worked out.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
They worked out two.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
Dudes and they wound up blinded out signed in Liel
and they pushed him a little.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Bit and he walked off the field.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
You ain't saying bet over grabbing his knees, grabbing his hips.
I mean he handled it well. And so they signed him.
So now he's going through that two or three day
period where they're getting h acclimated and we'll see. Man.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I mean, if he can't bend his knee, that was
the kick with me.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
I'm like he was slippers behind him.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Boyd.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
If he can be in his knees and he can
move lateral, we'll see where they put him at guard.
He's a tackle, but they need some bodies out here
to get through this camp and we'll see if he's
just a camp body or is he come in to
State being.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
A practice squad or whatever.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
But he's got a different attitude even though he's been
spot here and there for the last few years with
this team, this practice squad. He has a new attitude. Man.
You can see it in his stealth and how he's
carrying himself.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
Man, it's always good to have friends in high places.
You know, Doc got one of his good friends. And yeah,
legend has it that Dak saw working out this past
offseason kind of came back and told guys like, hey, man,
I said, you guys should but if you need to
look at Lyell, he looks good working.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And so good stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, it's good to have.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
It's good to have people in hot places that can
sometimes I need friends like that.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I want I want friends like that that just can.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Can make a call and all of a sudden get
you in for a workout when times are needed. And
you know, who knows what this will bring for the Cowboys,
and like like Nate said, if he can come in
and show his worth and preseason and these practices. You know,
at this point in time in your career, man, you're
just trying to You're trying to stop pile all these
years up for.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
For uh, you know, for credit season.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
So when you get done with this thing, trying to
hold on a little bit longer and you're trying to
get another one of them checks. If I can get
another season of checks, that puts me in a better situation.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
It does it Just you know, if I get through.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
A season, man, and I get another veteran minimum check
or whatever they signed me to, I can I can
just keep I can just keep adding this to the
to the to the pot for my retiring.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Of the fun.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
I agree with you, man, and expectively, if you can
have an impact with these young guys, you know, help
the young guys be better players. Man. You know I
play the htree in Carolina doing just that things, trying
to work help players, work out the practice, do what
is necessary. Man, It's always more one way, It's more
than one with it's skin a cat.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No, absolutely believe that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
All right, Nate, one more question before we let you go. Okay,
last year you called it in training camp. You told
us we were in for a long season, and you
were right after they scrimmaged the rams. You saw it
on the field. You warned us right tomorrow when you
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come back on the show Wednesday, right, what do you
need to see tomorrow? And what is your what is
your intuition? Tell you right now you're gonna cut What
conversation are we going to have on Wednesday? Are we
going to have the same conversation we had last year?
Are you feeling okay? And what do you need to
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see tomorrow to come in here on Wednesday and be like, fellas, Look,
this is a different team. This is gonna be a
fun year or is it gonna be? Fellas? Look, I
told y'all last year, I'm gonna a ready, Well we
go here on Wednesday.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
Uh, most of this training camp has been a look
and see for me, and I'm gonna look and see tomorrow.
And like I said, they bringing a different dementsion up
in them and uh, and it's these guys are a
year better. And I'm talking about the Rams and they
have had playoff success early this first and second and
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third year guys. They are healthy. Last year the offensive
line was a little shaky. Uh, and they still look
a good versus us. So I'll just be trying to
see if we're very competitive, not fighting. I ain't talking
about punching folks. I'm talking about rushing the pastor. I'm
talking about defending the pastor. I'm not going over about
a wide receivers. I don't care what he did. I'm
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not going over about the DBAs because it's Dallas Cowboys.
If it's the defensive line is not performing well this season,
is I don't care what they do. I mean, and
we got pickings and we got ceedee lamb. But we
got a healthy dag and Jake Ferguson is back with
a new contract. You know as well as I know. Jest.
If that is that if the middle of ourves line
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and our tackles are not doing their job, uh, it's
not gonna work. And I'm gonna be looking hard at
the left tick. I'm gonna be looking hard at what
Nate Thomas doing be looking at hard at what still
does I think our interior is gonna be okay, you know,
the right guard, he's gonna be judged heavily. But I'm
looking at our two tackles because that is where uh
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the Rams got it going on with verse and uh
and Braiden, you know, fish braiding. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing
the name. Yeah, yes, I'm hoping I'm pronounce because I
don't want to disrespect them and they bring that coming
down on.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
You.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Gotta get the blaze right.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
So but fellas, I appreciate y'all this to me. QUI
aveage information you can use.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Ah. Just good.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
Hey you're shinning. I'm glad you're back. But you ran
off Kurt. Wow, Hey, I have a breathday. Tell Paul,
we love it.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Oh, thank you, Nate. We appreciate you. We will talk
to you Wednesday. I hope it's a good conversation and
not a not Here's here's what I see coming and
it's a light and it's.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
A trend category category five.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Here go enjoy you week, Nate. We'll talk to you
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You didn't you you told day before?
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But I thought I told you all where I was going.
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You didn't tell us either?
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Oh my bad? Yeah right, you will Mexico for no, no.
Some people would say it was better than Mexico. I
don't know if I agree with that, but I my
my regular job. I was invited by the NFL Alumni
Health Group to uh go to Canton, Ohio. Well, some
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fans would think it is depending on who's getting inducted,
But anyway, Cat Ohio definitely can. But the Pro Football
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
The event, Yeah you can't, Ohio.
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We we could go to Hollyoo, Mexico.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, they live. They lived for one week out of
the year and this is it. So I got. I
was fortunate enough to be invited to host a a
symposium for the NFL Alumni Health Group. I was the
moderator and uh who was on the panel? Emmitt Smith
and ray Lewis so.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
To Uh you didn't have no real to talk one
Ray got the mic.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
I know you think I talk a lot.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I know.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
It was great, man, It was so good, and you
know I opened I opened it up with introductions. And
I really feel this way. I feel like the word
goat is way over yes sports, but I could say
with one hundred percent confidence, those are two goats, not
only for their respective positions. You look at any top five,
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they're one, two or three and every one of.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Them for sure.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Like that, like when Deon talks about having a separate
wing and the Hall of Fame for certain players, and yeah,
those two Dion, Ray, Emmett, Jerry, Yes, they belong on
that that wing, that other wing.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
The Penthouse of the Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
Yeah, like like the like the no Doubters, like the
Hall of Fame, of the Hall of Famers.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Exactly for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But they were great. They're so great, you know. Ray.
It was it was about health. It was about mental health,
it was about physical health. It was about caregiving. It
was really about caregivers and what a caregiver is and
people that are. I learned a new term called a
sandwiched caregiver. It's where you give care for your family
and your children while you're helping give care for your know,
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someone else, your parents or your grandparents or something like that.
So it was it was cool, man, it was. We
talked a lot about that, you know, Ray, it got
pretty deep. Ray talked about losing his son and how
he had you know how you know, it got kind
of emotional into that now he's been you know, a
caregiver his whole life with his mom and take care
of his mom and how he grew up. And then Emmett,
(22:33):
you know, he started off. He had a great story.
He said he wanted a pair of Jorda Ash jeans
when he was thirteen years old, and his mom said,
I can't afford him. Get you a job, and he said,
this was back before they had all them laws. So
he went to work at the nursing home and got
his twenty dollars and remembered his mom didn't have enough
(22:56):
money to do something, and he gave her some of
his money. He never bought the jeans, and he said
he remembered that feeling how he felt when he gave
his mom He was able to take care of his
mom for the first time. And he said that never
left him and that's part of the reason why he
worked so hard to get it. Was good, man, really
really good.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
You were rubbing ubles with the stars.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, it was awesome. And then I didn't screw anything up,
so which was surprising. And then, uh, and then I
actually went to the induction ceremony on Saturday. I got
to see Antonio Gates, Eric Allen, Jared Allen, and Sterling
Sharp and uh so that was pretty cool. Came back home.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
So that's a good trip, man.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
All right. While I was on that trip, I was
blindsided by a fan that grabbed me on the street
that was at the symposium, and you know, he said, hey,
I heard you work for the Cowboys. He was like,
because I didn't know what was going on, because I
didn't had to have my phone in a few hours,
and he goes, Micah demanded a trade. What do you
think about that? And I said, man, that's bs. He
(24:00):
demanded no trade. I don't believe it, you know whatever.
And then we talked for a few minutes and I
walk inside and I pull up Twitter and there's Micah's hole,
all the dirty laundry in a couple of little slides
on his notes app on his ex yup. And I
was like, okay, here we are. And then part of
(24:21):
me jumped to one conclusion, and then I thought about it,
and I jumped to another conclusion, and I was like,
this was genius by Micah. Yes, it was he who
strikes first usually wins. He was putting it out there
and saying, here's what's happened in the court of public opinion.
Is just one more little notch on him, you know,
(24:41):
in my opinion, him winning. Everybody, of course jumps on
his side. You know, all the chants are going to
happen at camp and all that's going on. And then
the more I thought about it, I was like, wait
a minute, he did he back himself into a corner
now because the team could say, you're under contract, we
(25:04):
got you this year, we can franchise you next year,
and we can franchise you for another year, and that's
the three that's the three years that you have to
go make the most money you can.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Look, I personally don't think mister Jones is that type
of person where he would do that. I think he
values his relationship and his reputation as a as a
player's owner. And ninety nine percent of the guys that
leave here come back and they talk about that relationship
with mister Jones. I don't think that would happen. Sometimes
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things get messy, sometimes things get ugly, especially when you
air out what's going on behind closed doors. And you know,
it's just like a relationship with a man or a woman.
Different times of that relationship. You love each other, sometimes
you hate each other. Sometimes you cuss, sometimes you don't
want to talk. This is kind of what this is
turned into And I couldn't wait to get back in
here on Monday and talk because I know you're going
(25:59):
to have some thoughts. Yeah, and you, I know you've
thought about this. Where you at on this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
It's for me. I'm always going to be per player.
Right when it comes to the financial part of it's
because Jerry's eighty two years old. This is a family
he told you several times, this is a family business.
He's never not going to make money, right Like, just
this year, every NFL team made four hundred and thirty
two million dollars, right Like, every NFL team will get.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
No matter how how bad you are on the field,
no matter what you own, no matter what your sponsorship, If.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
You're one of the thirty two NFL teams, you will
get four hundred and thirty two million dollars. And that's
not even in addition to what you've made. It's your
own stadium, parking, right, and sessions, So that's in it. Like,
that's just the REP share, the REP share. Of course,
we also know that Jerry's probably I think he's the
only owner who owns his the rights to his merchandise, merchandise,
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so he ain't splitting shares with the NFL about anything
with the starr on it. So he gets that, he's like,
here's your here's your part. Yeah, he gives the NFL like,
here's y'all part. I got the rest his park and
his merchant all of the sudd that he is. So,
I mean, we're talking about him raking in off one
year upwards of probably seven hundred million dollars probably you
(27:19):
know what I'm saying, like close to the Northern Park,
close to a billion dollars. He's not hurt for money.
For Micah's point, and then the other player, we have
a very small window to make generational wealth, right, Like
even when you play this game, you know, if you
play ten years, that's still a small portion of your life.
So I'm always with the players, is the is.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
The life expectancy or the career expectancy still around three
years yep? For for all players, all players, for all
players average average that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Is three and a half three three and a half years.
So and if you get that great, I mean, the dude,
three and a half years at this level is.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Phenomenal.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
That makes you one of the greatest athletes in the
world at that particular time. But I looked at this
over the weekend and I thought to myself, what else
could he do? This is the last ditch effort for Micah,
because when you get in the season, and here's the
difference between out of season and nd season. When Micah
gets training camp, I can hold in if I'm not
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a way. Terry McClain went away for a couple of
days and I ain't find him fifty thousand dollars a
day that was short lived. He said, I'm gonna come
on back, and I could do this hold in where
I don't get fine, and I can make up some
erroneous injury that they really don't have to treat, a
bad back, ankle, whatever it is. I'm here, I'm in
meetings and all that kind of stuff. I got go
on and do the training room whatever. In the season.
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You can't do that in the season. You now start
missing game checks now, and Micah's on the books this year,
still has a contract for twenty five million dollars. You
don't want of those games that can start missing. Also
during the season, in order for your season to be
credited as a credited season, you have to play at
least six games.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Right.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
If not, we're back here next year and you still
haven't met the requirements to this year to be counted.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And when you say credited season means it counts as
a full season on your contract.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
On your contract, right, So if you don't play, they
go back and they go, well, you still got one
more year, and we got two more years a franchise,
so you're back at You're back at one again. Michael
doesn't want to miss game checks, he doesn't want to
not get a credited season, and he does not want
to play football. Michael wants to play football. So in
training camp, when I can do all this, I have
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to first say where.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I think he went wrong is you should have never
shown up. This is my personal opinion.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
I know that you say you want to be a
leader again, we go all the way back, and I've
been telling you this a long time. You kept saying
that you wanted to be a leader. You don't have
to say that. You didn't have to say that. You
could have just showed it and it's been the best
player on the football field. But that's neither here nor there.
It's just my personal opinion. But you should have never
showed up because now that you keep showing up and
even after you requested the trade, he still showed up.
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So they're like, well, he requested the trade, but he
really wants to be here, so that doesn't really help
with your leverage in this whole thing. But this is nothing.
It is all he can do. This is literally all
that he can do. And to try to show the
Jones that I'm serious about trading them, you know, I know,
I hope you guys know he's not getting traded. They're
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not trading them. They're not going to trade them. Now
we can all be frustrated in the fact that should
we be here, No, we shouldn't be here. You want
Jerry Jones to Stephen Jones to act accordingly, right like
no other place is the twenty six year old league leader,
four time pro bowler, three time All Pro you know
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who's only has the only player in NFL history that
has more saxs to him in the first four years
of Reggie White, who goes in that other wing Dion
and these that penhouse of Hall of Famers like any
other owner slash GM slash, whoever signs a twenty six
year old kid and I say, kid, respectfully, we shouldn't
be here, but this is all that Micah can do.
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This is his last ditch effort to try to get
a deal done. And my heart of hearts, I do
believe we'll get a deal done. I do believe that
a deal is going to be done. Now where I
am and when I tell you, I am genuinely confused.
(31:32):
I am genuinely confused at the fact that Micah makes
this statement. And then there's video on the videos, pictures
of Micah being on the field, and about fifteen yards
away you see Steven and Jerry on the field, and
I'm saying to myself, what world do we live in nowadays?
(31:56):
And I thought about this too, I said David ma luuetto.
I'm not saying that he's not a busy man. David
Malogetta is the agent of Michael Parsons. David malo Getta.
According to Forbes, this is the battle of the forbester right,
number one franchise, number one agent. According to Forbes, David
Malogada billion is the number one agent in all of sports.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
He's the first agent to ever negotiate a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
In one year. Year. Yeah, yeah, that's that is insane.
So what do they normally make for three percent?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Three percent for the NFL and the NFL three percent
max is what you can get that, But that's not counting.
If David Maloguetta is also doing marketing deals, on which
he is, well, in that case, he can get up
to like fifteen percent in the marketing side of deals.
So you're talking about three plus fifteen or twenty. We're
talking about anywhere between eighteen and twenty eighteen and twenty
three percent overall over someone's whole deal, right, Like, that's
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just that's just stupid. You're gonna do three percent of
a billion dollars?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, yeah, three hundred million?
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Is that what it is? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (32:53):
So he's So I'm not saying that David's not busy, right,
and I'm not saying that David doesn't have access to
private planes thirty million. But if David Malugetta is trying
to now negotiate the second largest contract in INFLCER because
he already owns the first one, that Deshaun Watson deal
with Dave watletta twin thirty million dollars, guaranteed Michael would
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be the next one because he would be the highest
paid non quarterback in the league, so he'll have one
and two under his belt. If Micaeh, Steven and Jerry
are all in the same compound, how come we don't
have David just fly in and we all just sit down.
And I even thought to myself, if it is Jerry
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says I only talk to the principal, meaning I only
talk to the player. And that's the thing that he's
been kind of hell bent on it that I talked
to Micah and we had a deal. I said this
last week. It's almost it's almost hypocritical of Jerry to
say that I talked to Micah about a deal, and
once we talked about the deal, I was then gonna
take it and give it to my contract guy, which
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is Adam Pacifica and Todd Williams the money part of things.
But it wasn't right for Micah to go give his
side of the negotiation back to his agent, Doctor Eisencrosserite's right.
So that's a little hit hypercritical for me. But if Jerry
is saying I won't talk to the principal, all right, Michael,
you sit there, David Malouetta, you sit there. I sit here,
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steven sits here out of the PACIFICA can stand behind
us and I can talk to Michaeh and Michael. Then
you can relate the message to David Malo Guetta and
David you can talk about the Micah and Michael. You look,
I don't care how this gets done. This is this
is this, I'm I am.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I am mind.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Blown at the fact that we are at this point
in time and two of the most powerful men in
the NFL have not spoken a word.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
To each other.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Do you think maybe that has anything to do with
it what you just said, two of the most powerful
men in the NFL. Do you think it has to
do with egos getting in the way Because Jerry didn't
even know who he was this year. Now David's like,
you don't know who I am one hundred when you
get ready to come talk to me? And then Jerry's
probably like, you know what, you can come to me
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now you come to me.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Yeah, But at some point in time, business has to
come in the planet. Money has to come play. All right, listen,
let me swallow my pride, you swallow your pride. Let's
get the deal done. But an offer hasn't even like
an offer from David hasn't been sitting into the Cowboys.
Golfer from the Cowboys had not been set to David,
and they have not talked, which is app like what are.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
They doing all day?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
No one wants to talk to anybody about anything? And
you know, Jerry could say all day long, I don't
want Michael to get hurt, song glad that he's not here.
Every day that Mike's not here is another day that
your team is not getting better defensively, Like when he's
not on the field, he's not getting a football shit,
he's not getting the calluses built up for his body
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to go out there and take on impact. And then
you'll be mad when he gets back out there week.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
One tweaks a hammy or something.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, So you know, it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Did you think it was weird at the same day
that he or the day after he put that out
that he's out there in Cowboys gear? And I'm saying, like,
it's it's wouldn't you if you were really pissed, wouldn't
you want to show up? But if you did, you'd
be like, I sure he wearing the star. I'm mad
at Jerry. I'm I'm I'm mad like, I'm gonna just
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wear white T shirt and white shorts.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
And that's how you know. All this is the drum, theatrics, theatrics.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It's the lot of handwaving. That's all it is. Man,
It's a lot of just you know.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
And I tell you what, mad as the fans were
this weekend, as upset as they are as soon as
they signed that contract, everybody, it's all love and hugs
and kisses and we knew we were gonna get this
thing done.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
But this is this is a lesson to be learned
from guys like Michael who come into this league. And
you don't really know this until you get into it.
This is always a business, my friend. You're never family.
This is always a business. You have to you have
to walk and talk accordingly. You got you got yourself
involved because you want Because I think Michael Micah does
have fomo like he has a fear of missing out.
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I think Michael wants to be liked and and and
and and and celebrated by all. I don't think Michah
is the kind of person that wants to walk a
path by hisself, and that sometime could be indurance to you.
Sometimes you got to be able to step off and go,
what the hell would I'm by myself. But you did
all this talking because you know, Jerry wants you in
the suite at the super Bowl. He wants you to
suite at the national semi finals game of college football.
(37:25):
And you're just like, yeah, you know, we're buddy, ha
ha ha. And the whole time he's he's trying to
work a back out he deal on you. And then
when you got when you wise up, you're like, I'm
not talking about agent. It's different. It's different. So you
always remember that man word to the wire to the
young people.
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Speaker 4 (41:50):
Yeah, I was saying, Okay, when.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Do you start taking calls again? We kind of got
off that last year. We need to we need something.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
That dude came in and and and and dog walking
Nate that day.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah, that was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Nine ten eleven. They took that really well initially initially
and then he was like, yeah, well you know what
he listened. He laid in it for a minute. All right,
let's have some fun. We only got three three minutes.
Probably we probably already gave this too much time. Let's
just say, theoretically you did trade Mike, either one of
(42:25):
us thinks that's gonna no if you did. In this
day and age, I went back and looked at Khalil
Mack trade and he was he was about the same.
I think he was the same, age's a year older.
He was a year older.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
I can tell you that for sure.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
And then I think I should have screenshot it. I
didn't look it up, but I think it was a
first to let's look that up before.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I miss Let me let me say this.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
So to your point, Bill Barnwell did a list over
on ESPN and he kind of went through every single
team and he said, if you had players on that
team that was worth the trade, who would those players
be that realistically and what would it what would the
trade costs be? And so for the Cowboys it was
Michael Parsons and Bill Barmbrol said that Michael Parsons right
(43:12):
now would be two first rounds, two first round picks
and more and uh and with that it would still
be his long term extension. So Bill Barmbol is saying,
right now.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Here's a Kalil mac trade. A twenty nineteen first rounder
and sixth rounder and a twenty twenty first rounder and
third rounder. So two first, a third and a third
and sixth. Ok.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Yeah, it would have to be a long those line.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
It would either have to be two first in a
second or like that, two first a third and a
later round.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Pen kind of accommodation of first round.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Or it might be even more, I'm gonna be honest
with you, the way the market is now might be.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
And if you're one player, if you're one defensive pass
rusher away, why wouldn't you just go all in?
Speaker 7 (43:56):
Yeah, it might be. And people and I get what
people are say. And people are saying, well, you know,
if you made this trade, and again we're just saying hypothetically,
we're we both don't believe that it'll happen. But if
it did happen, people are saying, well, what you get
with those draft picks, you can't replace Michael Parsons. And
to my argument to that is that I'm not trying
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to is my argument would be, if I had these
first round picks, which presumably would be one in that
particular year and the other one in the next year,
so we'll give the Cowboys two first round picks, that
next coming year two first round picks the upcoming year
had four first round picks. Do I find another Michael Parsons?
(44:38):
Statistically the numbers probably say no. But if I go
and find a Zach Martin, if I go and find
a tank Lawrence. If I go and find a ceed Lamb.
If I go and find another starting cornerback, my team
has got significantly better than it was a year ago
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just with Michael Parsons. So it's not don't think about
if I get two first round picks, three first round picks,
the two first round picks and second round pick and
a fifth round pick, I'm going to find the next
Michael Parsons. No, I'm going to get a better football team.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
I'm gonna build my team out.
Speaker 7 (45:16):
I'm gonna build my team out so that so we
don't have any more holes, right because I can. Do
I get the productivity that I get from micaup?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Maybe not?
Speaker 7 (45:26):
But do I get interceptions? Do I get better protection?
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Might not have to worry about your right tackle anymore?
You don't.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
You don't have to worry about you know, middle linebackers.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Do I couple these up?
Speaker 7 (45:36):
And my boy Jeff said this, Do I couple these
up in a couple of years and go get Arch Manning?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Right?
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Right? Because I'm You're right? Do I do?
Speaker 8 (45:45):
I do?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I look at the situation.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
If I'm if I'm hovering around ten and Arch is
going to be the number one pick. Do I say, hey,
I got two first round picks this year, and I
got another third last year. Next year I get three
first round picking. I move all the way up to
get arch Manning. That cure's a quarterback spot for the
next hopefully ten fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
The only thing I'd be worried about in that scenario
is whoever you trade him to. It's going to be
out of your division. So all this talk at him
going to the Commanders, maybe, I don't think there's any way.
I don't think there's any way you would trade him in there.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
If they're given the most composition, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
I still don't know if you would do it unless.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
They're giving you two first in the second.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
I don't know, because I think the last thing they'd
want is him to go somewhere. You have to face
him twice a year, and then they go to the
NFC Championship game and you're sitting there watching going shouldn't
have done. I don't know any but money talks, yeah,
and draft picks talk. The only thing I'd be worried
about is whoever would get him. They're probably going to
be a contender because I don't think a bottom of
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the barrel person's going to So your draft picks aren't
going to be at the top of the draft. They're
going to be mid to bottom for that first year
and probably even that second year. So I'd be a
little bit worried about that. But you first round are.
Speaker 7 (46:57):
Still a first rounder, right If I get anywhere between
I mean twelve and twenty two straight talent there, that's
ten years worth of talent. Like in your head, you're
thinking anybody that I picked between in the first round,
I'm expecting five to seven years of productivity, you know
what I'm saying. Like the closer I get to the
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upper part of the draft, you know, one, two, three, four, five, ten,
I'm hoping to get seven to ten years.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Would you do it? And we can't talk about players
because they're on other teams and we don't even get trouble.
Are there players? I think if I did it, if
there was a player lumped in with draft picks, I'd
probably still want two picks. I would do it for
a player. But are there any players where you would
do it straight up for another player? Or would you
have to do this solely to build out? Oh?
Speaker 7 (47:44):
No, no, no, no, no no no, I don't the only
other player you would have to go. I mean you,
Michael twenty six, you would you would have to go.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
It'll have to be a.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Quarterback, yeah, like I mean have to be a fairly
young to yeah, like second your contract.
Speaker 7 (48:02):
Like they're like, there's I won't say the players then,
but I'll say there's a guy in Tennessee that plays
a long defensive line that you were talking about him
a first round pick and maybe another now we can make.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Yeah, now we can talk. You're still needing picks though, yeah,
you still need paying.
Speaker 7 (48:17):
I don't I don't know there's a player for players
swap that because everybody because again I'm looking at you
know you think about the guy from Cleveland, but you're
like he's older, right, I don't have much time, Like
Mike is twenty six years old.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
Like that's the crazy part. He's twenty six year old.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Or four to six good years left.
Speaker 7 (48:34):
You got four great years left, four to six really
really good years left, you know what I'm saying. Like, so,
I don't know there's a player that we would just
you know, swap and be like all right, cool.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, And neither one of us think it's how he's
gonna get traded anywhere. It's just fun to talk about.
Speaker 7 (48:51):
This is what he has to do. This is this
is his last ditch effort to try to make something happen.
And I sit so somewhere between what don Van Nada
said about that the Cowboys want to generate anywhere between
one hundred million dollars in free marketing dollars through the
months of June and July, and they're doing it, like
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I believe, I sit between that and this really has
a chance to go bad for the Cowboys. But I
sit really close to what Donvin I wrote in his
article about this is what Jerry Jones wants to do.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Just talk about me.
Speaker 7 (49:26):
And this is a part of his off season plan.
It's he gets there every single year because he knows
this deal could have been done. This is if any
contract that he has to do, these ones are the
easiest ones.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
You don't have to find out where their value.
Speaker 7 (49:43):
Here's the blueprint, Like Jake Ferguson's contract was more difficult
to do than what Michael Parker's contact would be, right
like because you have to find out where does Jake
Ferguson fit, What is his value in the league with
other positions.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
You know exactly what Michael fits.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Our only question is years and guaranteed money. That's the
only thing.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
And you already had a blueprint. Yeah, I just saw
him up on the screen.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
T J.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
Watt, Right, TJ. Yeah, TJ Watt. He had one hundred
and twenty three million dollars. You got to know more
than that.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
Yep. Like it's all, it's all, it's all written out
for you.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
And when you talk about timing, football's back, it's on
every channel everybody's talking about and what better way to
grab headlines and create some kind of drama that takes
that every even though they're at Steelers camp and they're
at Colt's camp. Guess what they're talking about. Cowboys Cowboys camp.
Yeap makes sense. So everybody, don't don't fret yet until
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we miss games. Were good. But to Jesse's point, he
miss doesn't really he.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Only want to miss practice.
Speaker 7 (50:39):
Like that's what I'm saying. You think he's missing games.
He doesn't even want He doesn't miss practice.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
You imagine him sitting on the sideline watching a game
from home. He would be like, I'm going to play. Yeah,
he play for free.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Ll Yeah, he'll go in the locker room at halftime.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah he can can outstand it.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
I can't. I can't do this.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yep, all right, Jess. It's been fun man, Kurt. I
hope you back on Wednesday night. Cannot wait to hear
what happens at practice tomorrow and your assessment of that, Paul.
Thanks for keeping us on the air. Chris, hurry up
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day and sounding a good day to me.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well we are we are without Kurt Daniels today in studio.
Uh so uh but we you have Nate joining us
live from Oxnar. The weather, I'm I don't even need
to ask about the weather. That place degree place is perfect.
When you're out there and he gets up to like
eighty three, they're like, man, it is hot.
Speaker 8 (02:12):
And I'll tell you everybody the shade I know.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And then what's crazy is if you spend a month
out there, you start feeling the same way. You're like,
it's eighty five. I gotta get burning up. I gotta
get some sunscreen on here. That's called six o'clock am. Yeah,
so Nate, more pads on Saturday. What are you seeing?
How you feeling? What's going on? The update?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
This?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Man, enough of this, We'll get to this contract talk
after we get you off the line. We want to
know what's going on in real life out there.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
What do you say?
Speaker 8 (02:45):
They moving fast, they going hard? They worked out Collins boy,
he looked great the other things, but he's doing that
break in period that the NFL asks him to do.
Favorite new player. But I'm saying he looked good. But
I saw some one on one pass rush this past
couple of practices, and so everybody's looking good. The right guard,
(03:10):
I want to see how he looked in past rush.
He looked nice. Two or three pass rushes he got.
They do a lot of eleven on eleven, so you
don't get to see, uh, just where guys can show
their showcase their talents in a one on one setting.
But everybody's doing well. Sam Williams is looking nice. I
(03:30):
can't think of that. The kids name the defensive man
number forty one, Yes, sir, he got a nice quick step.
He's playing a little linebacker slash defensive vent so he
get a little coverage time. Everything's looking good. Tyler Smith
have not seen him the last two or three days.
(03:51):
He's taking a little sabbatical somewhere with a little bump knee.
So they put in Hoffman at that left guard and
he's doing okay. You know, he's not what just left
out of there, but he's he's holding up pretty good.
And they just need to get some depth there with
Liel and he's doing his thing. And I know we
(04:12):
don't really have a third receiver because that is the
Jayson Ferguson. But the other guys, boy, they are not
doing it right. They're dropping so many passes out here. Man,
I just can't believe it. I mean, I guess it's
the new style. Guy DB's allowed to be a little
bit more handsy.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (04:32):
You know that number seven holding is doing a better
job than than the Tobars.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You know.
Speaker 8 (04:39):
So the Tobers are the Jalens or whoever they call themselves.
They got to pick their game up. Jalen Brooks and
maybe three you gotta pick his game of Jalen Tober.
You got to pick his game up. Uh, Cavan Dee Turpin.
It seemed like every other series belonged to him. Me
that running back that the slot receiver are outside. They
are getting this kid reps, y'all. I don't know what
(05:01):
that means. It's early in the training camp, but we'll
find out tomorrow. We will find out tomorrow because well,
the Verse a different dimension that is coming in. It's
called the verse, baby, very verse. You know. So in
this group of guys. Man. Uh, it's been a good
solid training camp. Baring of the knick knack injuries, it's
(05:23):
been a good solid training camp. We'll see that we're
coming into the next stage and that'll be tomorrow. You know.
Like I said, a new dimension coming in here with
led by Jared Verse, a second year guy who never
stops talking and got the ability and the talent to
back it up.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Nate, I was gonna, you know, ask about because you're
your your religious amount of being out there at every
single training camp. So you've been there for the Jason
Garrett era, You've been there for the Michael from Pittsburgh era,
and now this being the era beginning for coach Schottenheimer.
If you can compare the last three head coaches and
(06:02):
the beginning of their training camps, give it. Give it
to me in order as kind of like how the
team overall, the energy, the way that you feel about
how training camp is going early on between what it
was and the Jason Garrett, Michael McCarthy and now under
Brian Schoenheimer.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
You know, Jason Garrett was pretty pretty good because he had,
I think, to found better players defensive lad offense. He
had offensive line he didn't have to worry about. I
had to do was plug in the back. He had
Tony Romo starting out. So I think Jason, just by
sheer numbers of talented players had had the better training camps.
(06:39):
He get set the better tempo. You know, guys knew
how to play the game.
Speaker 9 (06:43):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
You know, they still didn't have a lot of playoff success.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
I think coach McCarthy can ran into hiccup with it because
he had the pandemic era, so he had to build
get guys going, kind of plug it in his way
and he went to roll it. But training camp as
far as just uh the roughness, the uh, the feistingess,
I gotta get coaching now. This coach here to coach
(07:07):
Ausmos's boy, I guess, but he can learn some things
by just watching. Because these guys they they you know,
they still getting after it. They're still going hard. Uh.
They don't go period after period like the first two
or three days, they just went period after period after
period just running right and running.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
They've they've kind of figured out what they wanted to
do and they picked their times when they want to
do that. But they're still very handsy, very physical.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
For what these days.
Speaker 8 (07:35):
Of training camp is.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
He's still preaching fundamental football, discipline football, but high speed football.
So I give Jason one, this coach here two, and
uh just a close one third by coach McCarthy. Just
sometimes my end training camp, which are my end training camp.
I just want to see how the fourth phase is
gonna be uhh when we do the uh the preseason games.
(08:02):
Will you play these guys and give them opportunity? I'm
talking about from the ones you know, to the twos
to the threes, where you play these guys and give
them enough rep so they can see and you can
see who what you raly have you know once once
they go to this four phase.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So you covered a lot of ground in your in
your intro. Yeah, So let's break down a couple of
those things. One you mentioned Tyler Smith battling what they're
calling I think knee tendony this right?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Is that in training camp when you have a guy
that that is dependable and as good as he is
that you don't have to worry about and he misses
a few practices, is that kind of a good thing
because you get to insert someone else in there to
see what they got with the with the with the
ones and know really know a little bit more information
(08:55):
about what you have backing him up.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
Well, you know it's who was coming in at the
left tackle and his TJ bads. I mean to she
would left guard TJ Bads home, So you know who
these guys are. But we're working with a new left
tackle and Nate Tomings, so I would really like for
him to be in there. But with him being out,
it's not a major loss. It's not a major loss.
(09:20):
I mean because we know who he is. We just
was hoping that guys can stay healthy, so we can
just get a build, get get some bonding built there
and some unity built so guys can know how each
other playing, what each other's salt seals with different looks.
But that's not a major thing, not this early in campus.
We can get him back next week and get him
(09:41):
back rocking and rolling so they can get some keep
that rhythm going. That'll be a great team.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And then you mentioned Lyle and you said he looked
pretty good. Were you were you surprised to hear his
name and then surprised that they actually signed him. You
think he's got something.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
Left, you know, I heard uh, Justice and the miss
uh Migga Spagnola talking about it and uh.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I said, and I said, I said, he jokes.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
So I heard him talking about him in my mind, Jess,
I'm like, oh, come on, man. And then I was
walking away from the shoulder other day and there's my
nay nay, and I turned around and it was Lyell
and brother, he's gotta been a lost leaves at minimum
of twenty pounds, twenty five pounds. This guy does not
(10:39):
look the same. So I'm like, okay, he lost weight.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And then it.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
Intrigued me so much time I went out there and
watched him work him out. His lateral movement was great,
his knees would bend, his hips was flexible, and I
just was just a little fiteen to twenty minute workout
he worked out.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
They worked out two.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
Dudes and they wound up blinded out signed in Liel
and they pushed him a little.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Bit and he walked off the field.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
You ain't saying bet over grabbing his knees, grabbing his hips.
I mean he handled it well. And so they signed him.
So now he's going through that two or three day
period where they're getting h acclimated and we'll see. Man.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I mean, if he can't bend his knee, that was
the kick with me.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
I'm like he was slippers behind him.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Boyd.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
If he can be in his knees and he can
move lateral, we'll see where they put him at guard.
He's a tackle, but they need some bodies out here
to get through this camp and we'll see if he's
just a camp body or is he come in to
State being.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
A practice squad or whatever.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
But he's got a different attitude even though he's been
spot here and there for the last few years with
this team, this practice squad. He has a new attitude. Man.
You can see it in his stealth and how he's
carrying himself.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
Man, it's always good to have friends in high places.
You know, Doc got one of his good friends. And yeah,
legend has it that Dak saw working out this past
offseason kind of came back and told guys like, hey, man,
I said, you guys should but if you need to
look at Lyell, he looks good working.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And so good stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, it's good to have.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
It's good to have people in hot places that can
sometimes I need friends like that.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I want I want friends like that that just can.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Can make a call and all of a sudden get
you in for a workout when times are needed. And
you know, who knows what this will bring for the Cowboys,
and like like Nate said, if he can come in
and show his worth and preseason and these practices. You know,
at this point in time in your career, man, you're
just trying to You're trying to stop pile all these
years up for.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
For uh, you know, for credit season.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
So when you get done with this thing, trying to
hold on a little bit longer and you're trying to
get another one of them checks. If I can get
another season of checks, that puts me in a better situation.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
It does it Just you know, if I get through.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
A season, man, and I get another veteran minimum check
or whatever they signed me to, I can I can
just keep I can just keep adding this to the
to the to the pot for my retiring.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Of the fun.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
I agree with you, man, and expectively, if you can
have an impact with these young guys, you know, help
the young guys be better players. Man. You know I
play the htree in Carolina doing just that things, trying
to work help players, work out the practice, do what
is necessary. Man, It's always more one way, It's more
than one with it's skin a cat.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No, absolutely believe that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
All right, Nate, one more question before we let you go. Okay,
last year you called it in training camp. You told
us we were in for a long season, and you
were right after they scrimmaged the rams. You saw it
on the field. You warned us right tomorrow when you
(13:39):
come back on the show Wednesday, right, what do you
need to see tomorrow? And what is your what is
your intuition? Tell you right now you're gonna cut What
conversation are we going to have on Wednesday? Are we
going to have the same conversation we had last year?
Are you feeling okay? And what do you need to
(13:59):
see tomorrow to come in here on Wednesday and be like, fellas, Look,
this is a different team. This is gonna be a
fun year or is it gonna be? Fellas? Look, I
told y'all last year, I'm gonna a ready, Well we
go here on Wednesday.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
Uh, most of this training camp has been a look
and see for me, and I'm gonna look and see tomorrow.
And like I said, they bringing a different dementsion up
in them and uh, and it's these guys are a
year better. And I'm talking about the Rams and they
have had playoff success early this first and second and
(14:34):
third year guys. They are healthy. Last year the offensive
line was a little shaky. Uh, and they still look
a good versus us. So I'll just be trying to
see if we're very competitive, not fighting. I ain't talking
about punching folks. I'm talking about rushing the pastor. I'm
talking about defending the pastor. I'm not going over about
a wide receivers. I don't care what he did. I'm
(14:55):
not going over about the DBAs because it's Dallas Cowboys.
If it's the defensive line is not performing well this season,
is I don't care what they do. I mean, and
we got pickings and we got ceedee lamb. But we
got a healthy dag and Jake Ferguson is back with
a new contract. You know as well as I know. Jest.
If that is that if the middle of ourves line
(15:16):
and our tackles are not doing their job, uh, it's
not gonna work. And I'm gonna be looking hard at
the left tick. I'm gonna be looking hard at what
Nate Thomas doing be looking at hard at what still
does I think our interior is gonna be okay, you know,
the right guard, he's gonna be judged heavily. But I'm
looking at our two tackles because that is where uh
(15:39):
the Rams got it going on with verse and uh
and Braiden, you know, fish braiding. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing
the name. Yeah, yes, I'm hoping I'm pronounce because I
don't want to disrespect them and they bring that coming
down on.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
You.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Gotta get the blaze right.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
So but fellas, I appreciate y'all this to me. QUI
aveage information you can use.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Ah. Just good.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
Hey you're shinning. I'm glad you're back. But you ran
off Kurt. Wow, Hey, I have a breathday. Tell Paul,
we love it.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Oh, thank you, Nate. We appreciate you. We will talk
to you Wednesday. I hope it's a good conversation and
not a not Here's here's what I see coming and
it's a light and it's.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
A trend category category five.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Here go enjoy you week, Nate. We'll talk to you
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You didn't you you told day before?
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I just didn't tell y'all what day.
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You didn't tell us either?
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Oh my bad? Yeah right, you will Mexico for no, no.
Some people would say it was better than Mexico. I
don't know if I agree with that, but I my
my regular job. I was invited by the NFL Alumni
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(20:19):
fans would think it is depending on who's getting inducted,
But anyway, Cat Ohio definitely can. But the Pro Football
Hall of Fame.
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The event, Yeah you can't, Ohio.
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We we could go to Hollyoo, Mexico.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, they live. They lived for one week out of
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moderator and uh who was on the panel? Emmitt Smith
and ray Lewis so.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
To Uh you didn't have no real to talk one
Ray got the mic.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
I know you think I talk a lot.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I know.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
It was great, man, It was so good, and you
know I opened I opened it up with introductions. And
I really feel this way. I feel like the word
goat is way over yes sports, but I could say
with one hundred percent confidence, those are two goats, not
only for their respective positions. You look at any top five,
(21:25):
they're one, two or three and every one of.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Them for sure.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Like that, like when Deon talks about having a separate
wing and the Hall of Fame for certain players, and yeah,
those two Dion, Ray, Emmett, Jerry, Yes, they belong on
that that wing, that other wing.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
The Penthouse of the Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
Yeah, like like the like the no Doubters, like the
Hall of Fame, of the Hall of Famers.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Exactly for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But they were great. They're so great, you know. Ray.
It was it was about health. It was about mental health,
it was about physical health. It was about caregiving. It
was really about caregivers and what a caregiver is and
people that are. I learned a new term called a
sandwiched caregiver. It's where you give care for your family
and your children while you're helping give care for your know,
(22:11):
someone else, your parents or your grandparents or something like that.
So it was it was cool, man, it was. We
talked a lot about that, you know, Ray, it got
pretty deep. Ray talked about losing his son and how
he had you know how you know, it got kind
of emotional into that now he's been you know, a
caregiver his whole life with his mom and take care
of his mom and how he grew up. And then Emmett,
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you know, he started off. He had a great story.
He said he wanted a pair of Jorda Ash jeans
when he was thirteen years old, and his mom said,
I can't afford him. Get you a job, and he said,
this was back before they had all them laws. So
he went to work at the nursing home and got
his twenty dollars and remembered his mom didn't have enough
(22:56):
money to do something, and he gave her some of
his money. He never bought the jeans, and he said
he remembered that feeling how he felt when he gave
his mom He was able to take care of his
mom for the first time. And he said that never
left him and that's part of the reason why he
worked so hard to get it. Was good, man, really
really good.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
You were rubbing ubles with the stars.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, it was awesome. And then I didn't screw anything up,
so which was surprising. And then, uh, and then I
actually went to the induction ceremony on Saturday. I got
to see Antonio Gates, Eric Allen, Jared Allen, and Sterling
Sharp and uh so that was pretty cool. Came back home.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
So that's a good trip, man.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
All right. While I was on that trip, I was
blindsided by a fan that grabbed me on the street
that was at the symposium, and you know, he said, hey,
I heard you work for the Cowboys. He was like,
because I didn't know what was going on, because I
didn't had to have my phone in a few hours,
and he goes, Micah demanded a trade. What do you
think about that? And I said, man, that's bs. He
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demanded no trade. I don't believe it, you know whatever.
And then we talked for a few minutes and I
walk inside and I pull up Twitter and there's Micah's hole,
all the dirty laundry in a couple of little slides
on his notes app on his ex yup. And I
was like, okay, here we are. And then part of
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me jumped to one conclusion, and then I thought about it,
and I jumped to another conclusion, and I was like,
this was genius by Micah. Yes, it was he who
strikes first usually wins. He was putting it out there
and saying, here's what's happened in the court of public opinion.
Is just one more little notch on him, you know,
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in my opinion, him winning. Everybody, of course jumps on
his side. You know, all the chants are going to
happen at camp and all that's going on. And then
the more I thought about it, I was like, wait
a minute, he did he back himself into a corner
now because the team could say, you're under contract, we
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got you this year, we can franchise you next year,
and we can franchise you for another year, and that's
the three that's the three years that you have to
go make the most money you can.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Look, I personally don't think mister Jones is that type
of person where he would do that. I think he
values his relationship and his reputation as a as a
player's owner. And ninety nine percent of the guys that
leave here come back and they talk about that relationship
with mister Jones. I don't think that would happen. Sometimes
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things get messy, sometimes things get ugly, especially when you
air out what's going on behind closed doors. And you know,
it's just like a relationship with a man or a woman.
Different times of that relationship. You love each other, sometimes
you hate each other. Sometimes you cuss, sometimes you don't
want to talk. This is kind of what this is
turned into And I couldn't wait to get back in
here on Monday and talk because I know you're going
(25:59):
to have some thoughts. Yeah, and you, I know you've
thought about this. Where you at on this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
It's for me. I'm always going to be per player.
Right when it comes to the financial part of it's
because Jerry's eighty two years old. This is a family
he told you several times, this is a family business.
He's never not going to make money, right Like, just
this year, every NFL team made four hundred and thirty
two million dollars, right Like, every NFL team will get.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
No matter how how bad you are on the field,
no matter what you own, no matter what your sponsorship, If.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
You're one of the thirty two NFL teams, you will
get four hundred and thirty two million dollars. And that's
not even in addition to what you've made. It's your
own stadium, parking, right, and sessions, So that's in it. Like,
that's just the REP share, the REP share. Of course,
we also know that Jerry's probably I think he's the
only owner who owns his the rights to his merchandise, merchandise,
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so he ain't splitting shares with the NFL about anything
with the starr on it. So he gets that, he's like,
here's your here's your part. Yeah, he gives the NFL like,
here's y'all part. I got the rest his park and
his merchant all of the sudd that he is. So,
I mean, we're talking about him raking in off one
year upwards of probably seven hundred million dollars probably you
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know what I'm saying, like close to the Northern Park,
close to a billion dollars. He's not hurt for money.
For Micah's point, and then the other player, we have
a very small window to make generational wealth, right, Like
even when you play this game, you know, if you
play ten years, that's still a small portion of your life.
So I'm always with the players, is the is.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
The life expectancy or the career expectancy still around three
years yep? For for all players, all players, for all
players average average that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Is three and a half three three and a half years.
So and if you get that great, I mean, the dude,
three and a half years at this level is.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Phenomenal.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
That makes you one of the greatest athletes in the
world at that particular time. But I looked at this
over the weekend and I thought to myself, what else
could he do? This is the last ditch effort for Micah,
because when you get in the season, and here's the
difference between out of season and nd season. When Micah
gets training camp, I can hold in if I'm not
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a way. Terry McClain went away for a couple of
days and I ain't find him fifty thousand dollars a
day that was short lived. He said, I'm gonna come
on back, and I could do this hold in where
I don't get fine, and I can make up some
erroneous injury that they really don't have to treat, a
bad back, ankle, whatever it is. I'm here, I'm in
meetings and all that kind of stuff. I got go
on and do the training room whatever. In the season.
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You can't do that in the season. You now start
missing game checks now, and Micah's on the books this year,
still has a contract for twenty five million dollars. You
don't want of those games that can start missing. Also
during the season, in order for your season to be
credited as a credited season, you have to play at
least six games.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Right.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
If not, we're back here next year and you still
haven't met the requirements to this year to be counted.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And when you say credited season means it counts as
a full season on your contract.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
On your contract, right, So if you don't play, they
go back and they go, well, you still got one
more year, and we got two more years a franchise,
so you're back at You're back at one again. Michael
doesn't want to miss game checks, he doesn't want to
not get a credited season, and he does not want
to play football. Michael wants to play football. So in
training camp, when I can do all this, I have
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to first say where.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I think he went wrong is you should have never
shown up. This is my personal opinion.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
I know that you say you want to be a
leader again, we go all the way back, and I've
been telling you this a long time. You kept saying
that you wanted to be a leader. You don't have
to say that. You didn't have to say that. You
could have just showed it and it's been the best
player on the football field. But that's neither here nor there.
It's just my personal opinion. But you should have never
showed up because now that you keep showing up and
even after you requested the trade, he still showed up.
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So they're like, well, he requested the trade, but he
really wants to be here, so that doesn't really help
with your leverage in this whole thing. But this is nothing.
It is all he can do. This is literally all
that he can do. And to try to show the
Jones that I'm serious about trading them, you know, I know,
I hope you guys know he's not getting traded. They're
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not trading them. They're not going to trade them. Now
we can all be frustrated in the fact that should
we be here, No, we shouldn't be here. You want
Jerry Jones to Stephen Jones to act accordingly, right like
no other place is the twenty six year old league leader,
four time pro bowler, three time All Pro you know
(30:49):
who's only has the only player in NFL history that
has more saxs to him in the first four years
of Reggie White, who goes in that other wing Dion
and these that penhouse of Hall of Famers like any
other owner slash GM slash, whoever signs a twenty six
year old kid and I say, kid, respectfully, we shouldn't
be here, but this is all that Micah can do.
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This is his last ditch effort to try to get
a deal done. And my heart of hearts, I do
believe we'll get a deal done. I do believe that
a deal is going to be done. Now where I
am and when I tell you, I am genuinely confused.
(31:32):
I am genuinely confused at the fact that Micah makes
this statement. And then there's video on the videos, pictures
of Micah being on the field, and about fifteen yards
away you see Steven and Jerry on the field, and
I'm saying to myself, what world do we live in nowadays?
(31:56):
And I thought about this too, I said David ma luuetto.
I'm not saying that he's not a busy man. David
Malogetta is the agent of Michael Parsons. David malo Getta.
According to Forbes, this is the battle of the forbester right,
number one franchise, number one agent. According to Forbes, David
Malogada billion is the number one agent in all of sports.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
He's the first agent to ever negotiate a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
In one year. Year. Yeah, yeah, that's that is insane.
So what do they normally make for three percent?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Three percent for the NFL and the NFL three percent
max is what you can get that, But that's not counting.
If David Maloguetta is also doing marketing deals, on which
he is, well, in that case, he can get up
to like fifteen percent in the marketing side of deals.
So you're talking about three plus fifteen or twenty. We're
talking about anywhere between eighteen and twenty eighteen and twenty
three percent overall over someone's whole deal, right, Like, that's
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just that's just stupid. You're gonna do three percent of
a billion dollars?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, yeah, three hundred million?
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Is that what it is? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (32:53):
So he's So I'm not saying that David's not busy, right,
and I'm not saying that David doesn't have access to
private planes thirty million. But if David Malugetta is trying
to now negotiate the second largest contract in INFLCER because
he already owns the first one, that Deshaun Watson deal
with Dave watletta twin thirty million dollars, guaranteed Michael would
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be the next one because he would be the highest
paid non quarterback in the league, so he'll have one
and two under his belt. If Micaeh, Steven and Jerry
are all in the same compound, how come we don't
have David just fly in and we all just sit down.
And I even thought to myself, if it is Jerry
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says I only talk to the principal, meaning I only
talk to the player. And that's the thing that he's
been kind of hell bent on it that I talked
to Micah and we had a deal. I said this
last week. It's almost it's almost hypocritical of Jerry to
say that I talked to Micah about a deal, and
once we talked about the deal, I was then gonna
take it and give it to my contract guy, which
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is Adam Pacifica and Todd Williams the money part of things.
But it wasn't right for Micah to go give his
side of the negotiation back to his agent, Doctor Eisencrosserite's right.
So that's a little hit hypercritical for me. But if Jerry
is saying I won't talk to the principal, all right, Michael,
you sit there, David Malouetta, you sit there. I sit here,
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steven sits here out of the PACIFICA can stand behind
us and I can talk to Michaeh and Michael. Then
you can relate the message to David Malo Guetta and
David you can talk about the Micah and Michael. You look,
I don't care how this gets done. This is this
is this, I'm I am.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I am mind.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Blown at the fact that we are at this point
in time and two of the most powerful men in
the NFL have not spoken a word.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
To each other.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Do you think maybe that has anything to do with
it what you just said, two of the most powerful
men in the NFL. Do you think it has to
do with egos getting in the way Because Jerry didn't
even know who he was this year. Now David's like,
you don't know who I am one hundred when you
get ready to come talk to me? And then Jerry's
probably like, you know what, you can come to me
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now you come to me.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Yeah, But at some point in time, business has to
come in the planet. Money has to come play. All right, listen,
let me swallow my pride, you swallow your pride. Let's
get the deal done. But an offer hasn't even like
an offer from David hasn't been sitting into the Cowboys.
Golfer from the Cowboys had not been set to David,
and they have not talked, which is app like what are.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
They doing all day?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
No one wants to talk to anybody about anything? And
you know, Jerry could say all day long, I don't
want Michael to get hurt, song glad that he's not here.
Every day that Mike's not here is another day that
your team is not getting better defensively, Like when he's
not on the field, he's not getting a football shit,
he's not getting the calluses built up for his body
(35:49):
to go out there and take on impact. And then
you'll be mad when he gets back out there week.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
One tweaks a hammy or something.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, So you know, it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Did you think it was weird at the same day
that he or the day after he put that out
that he's out there in Cowboys gear? And I'm saying, like,
it's it's wouldn't you if you were really pissed, wouldn't
you want to show up? But if you did, you'd
be like, I sure he wearing the star. I'm mad
at Jerry. I'm I'm I'm mad like, I'm gonna just
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wear white T shirt and white shorts.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
And that's how you know. All this is the drum, theatrics, theatrics.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It's the lot of handwaving. That's all it is. Man,
It's a lot of just you know.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
And I tell you what, mad as the fans were
this weekend, as upset as they are as soon as
they signed that contract, everybody, it's all love and hugs
and kisses and we knew we were gonna get this
thing done.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
But this is this is a lesson to be learned
from guys like Michael who come into this league. And
you don't really know this until you get into it.
This is always a business, my friend. You're never family.
This is always a business. You have to you have
to walk and talk accordingly. You got you got yourself
involved because you want Because I think Michael Micah does
have fomo like he has a fear of missing out.
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I think Michael wants to be liked and and and
and and and celebrated by all. I don't think Michah
is the kind of person that wants to walk a
path by hisself, and that sometime could be indurance to you.
Sometimes you got to be able to step off and go,
what the hell would I'm by myself. But you did
all this talking because you know, Jerry wants you in
the suite at the super Bowl. He wants you to
suite at the national semi finals game of college football.
(37:25):
And you're just like, yeah, you know, we're buddy, ha
ha ha. And the whole time he's he's trying to
work a back out he deal on you. And then
when you got when you wise up, you're like, I'm
not talking about agent. It's different. It's different. So you
always remember that man word to the wire to the
young people.
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Cool.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Yeah, I was saying, Okay, when.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Do you start taking calls again? We kind of got
off that last year. We need to we need something.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
That dude came in and and and and dog walking
Nate that day.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah, that was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Nine ten eleven. They took that really well initially initially
and then he was like, yeah, well you know what
he listened. He laid in it for a minute. All right,
let's have some fun. We only got three three minutes.
Probably we probably already gave this too much time. Let's
just say, theoretically you did trade Mike, either one of
(42:25):
us thinks that's gonna no if you did. In this
day and age, I went back and looked at Khalil
Mack trade and he was he was about the same.
I think he was the same, age's a year older.
He was a year older.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
I can tell you that for sure.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
And then I think I should have screenshot it. I
didn't look it up, but I think it was a
first to let's look that up before.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I miss Let me let me say this.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
So to your point, Bill Barnwell did a list over
on ESPN and he kind of went through every single
team and he said, if you had players on that
team that was worth the trade, who would those players
be that realistically and what would it what would the
trade costs be? And so for the Cowboys it was
Michael Parsons and Bill Barmbrol said that Michael Parsons right
(43:12):
now would be two first rounds, two first round picks
and more and uh and with that it would still
be his long term extension. So Bill Barmbol is saying,
right now.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Here's a Kalil mac trade. A twenty nineteen first rounder
and sixth rounder and a twenty twenty first rounder and
third rounder. So two first, a third and a third
and sixth. Ok.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Yeah, it would have to be a long those line.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
It would either have to be two first in a
second or like that, two first a third and a
later round.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Pen kind of accommodation of first round.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Or it might be even more, I'm gonna be honest
with you, the way the market is now might be.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
And if you're one player, if you're one defensive pass
rusher away, why wouldn't you just go all in?
Speaker 7 (43:56):
Yeah, it might be. And people and I get what
people are say. And people are saying, well, you know,
if you made this trade, and again we're just saying hypothetically,
we're we both don't believe that it'll happen. But if
it did happen, people are saying, well, what you get
with those draft picks, you can't replace Michael Parsons. And
to my argument to that is that I'm not trying
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to is my argument would be, if I had these
first round picks, which presumably would be one in that
particular year and the other one in the next year,
so we'll give the Cowboys two first round picks, that
next coming year two first round picks the upcoming year
had four first round picks. Do I find another Michael Parsons?
(44:38):
Statistically the numbers probably say no. But if I go
and find a Zach Martin, if I go and find
a tank Lawrence. If I go and find a ceed Lamb.
If I go and find another starting cornerback, my team
has got significantly better than it was a year ago
(45:01):
just with Michael Parsons. So it's not don't think about
if I get two first round picks, three first round picks,
the two first round picks and second round pick and
a fifth round pick, I'm going to find the next
Michael Parsons. No, I'm going to get a better football team.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
I'm gonna build my team out.
Speaker 7 (45:16):
I'm gonna build my team out so that so we
don't have any more holes, right because I can. Do
I get the productivity that I get from micaup?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Maybe not?
Speaker 7 (45:26):
But do I get interceptions? Do I get better protection?
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Might not have to worry about your right tackle anymore?
You don't.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
You don't have to worry about you know, middle linebackers.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Do I couple these up?
Speaker 7 (45:36):
And my boy Jeff said this, Do I couple these
up in a couple of years and go get Arch Manning?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Right?
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Right? Because I'm You're right? Do I do?
Speaker 8 (45:45):
I do?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I look at the situation.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
If I'm if I'm hovering around ten and Arch is
going to be the number one pick. Do I say, hey,
I got two first round picks this year, and I
got another third last year. Next year I get three
first round picking. I move all the way up to
get arch Manning. That cure's a quarterback spot for the
next hopefully ten fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
The only thing I'd be worried about in that scenario
is whoever you trade him to. It's going to be
out of your division. So all this talk at him
going to the Commanders, maybe, I don't think there's any way.
I don't think there's any way you would trade him in there.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
If they're given the most composition, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
I still don't know if you would do it unless.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
They're giving you two first in the second.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
I don't know, because I think the last thing they'd
want is him to go somewhere. You have to face
him twice a year, and then they go to the
NFC Championship game and you're sitting there watching going shouldn't
have done. I don't know any but money talks, yeah,
and draft picks talk. The only thing I'd be worried
about is whoever would get him. They're probably going to
be a contender because I don't think a bottom of
(46:44):
the barrel person's going to So your draft picks aren't
going to be at the top of the draft. They're
going to be mid to bottom for that first year
and probably even that second year. So I'd be a
little bit worried about that. But you first round are.
Speaker 7 (46:57):
Still a first rounder, right If I get anywhere between
I mean twelve and twenty two straight talent there, that's
ten years worth of talent. Like in your head, you're
thinking anybody that I picked between in the first round,
I'm expecting five to seven years of productivity, you know
what I'm saying. Like the closer I get to the
(47:17):
upper part of the draft, you know, one, two, three, four, five, ten,
I'm hoping to get seven to ten years.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Would you do it? And we can't talk about players
because they're on other teams and we don't even get trouble.
Are there players? I think if I did it, if
there was a player lumped in with draft picks, I'd
probably still want two picks. I would do it for
a player. But are there any players where you would
do it straight up for another player? Or would you
have to do this solely to build out? Oh?
Speaker 7 (47:44):
No, no, no, no, no no no, I don't the only
other player you would have to go. I mean you,
Michael twenty six, you would you would have to go.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
It'll have to be a.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Quarterback, yeah, like I mean have to be a fairly
young to yeah, like second your contract.
Speaker 7 (48:02):
Like they're like, there's I won't say the players then,
but I'll say there's a guy in Tennessee that plays
a long defensive line that you were talking about him
a first round pick and maybe another now we can make.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Yeah, now we can talk. You're still needing picks though, yeah,
you still need paying.
Speaker 7 (48:17):
I don't I don't know there's a player for players
swap that because everybody because again I'm looking at you
know you think about the guy from Cleveland, but you're
like he's older, right, I don't have much time, Like
Mike is twenty six years old.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
Like that's the crazy part. He's twenty six year old.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Or four to six good years left.
Speaker 7 (48:34):
You got four great years left, four to six really
really good years left, you know what I'm saying. Like, so,
I don't know there's a player that we would just
you know, swap and be like all right, cool.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, And neither one of us think it's how he's
gonna get traded anywhere. It's just fun to talk about.
Speaker 7 (48:51):
This is what he has to do. This is this
is his last ditch effort to try to make something happen.
And I sit so somewhere between what don Van Nada
said about that the Cowboys want to generate anywhere between
one hundred million dollars in free marketing dollars through the
months of June and July, and they're doing it, like
(49:13):
I believe, I sit between that and this really has
a chance to go bad for the Cowboys. But I
sit really close to what Donvin I wrote in his
article about this is what Jerry Jones wants to do.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Just talk about me.
Speaker 7 (49:26):
And this is a part of his off season plan.
It's he gets there every single year because he knows
this deal could have been done. This is if any
contract that he has to do, these ones are the
easiest ones.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
You don't have to find out where their value.
Speaker 7 (49:43):
Here's the blueprint, Like Jake Ferguson's contract was more difficult
to do than what Michael Parker's contact would be, right
like because you have to find out where does Jake
Ferguson fit, What is his value in the league with
other positions.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
You know exactly what Michael fits.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Our only question is years and guaranteed money. That's the
only thing.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
And you already had a blueprint. Yeah, I just saw
him up on the screen.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
T J.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
Watt, Right, TJ. Yeah, TJ Watt. He had one hundred
and twenty three million dollars. You got to know more
than that.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
Yep. Like it's all, it's all, it's all written out
for you.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
And when you talk about timing, football's back, it's on
every channel everybody's talking about and what better way to
grab headlines and create some kind of drama that takes
that every even though they're at Steelers camp and they're
at Colt's camp. Guess what they're talking about. Cowboys Cowboys camp.
Yeap makes sense. So everybody, don't don't fret yet until
(50:34):
we miss games. Were good. But to Jesse's point, he
miss doesn't really he.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Only want to miss practice.
Speaker 7 (50:39):
Like that's what I'm saying. You think he's missing games.
He doesn't even want He doesn't miss practice.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
You imagine him sitting on the sideline watching a game
from home. He would be like, I'm going to play. Yeah,
he play for free.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Ll Yeah, he'll go in the locker room at halftime.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah he can can outstand it.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
I can't. I can't do this.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yep, all right, Jess. It's been fun man, Kurt. I
hope you back on Wednesday night. Cannot wait to hear
what happens at practice tomorrow and your assessment of that, Paul.
Thanks for keeping us on the air. Chris, hurry up
and get back. This has been another edition of Hanging
with the Boys. We will see you Wednesday, same time,
same place.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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