July 31, 2025 • 47 mins
There have been enough skirmishes and such at training camp that Coach Schottenheimer made the team run. So is all this physicality in practice a good thing? Are they also learning discipline? Let’s hope so. Plus, just what is an “attacking front” on the defensive line and, well, do the Cowboys have the players to do it?
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Speaker 4 (01:27):
We yes, what's that big fella man, y'all? What's happening? Man?
You know I guess Canton, you know, I mean you
want Shannon there can't just living it.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Up, it says, so it says, I don't know this
doing Canton, about living it up. Travel A couple of
times I wasn't. I wouldn't call Canton, Ohio place where
you living it up.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
But we're from it may not.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Be it does it does. The Cowboys are back at
practice today after a day off yesterday. We just saw Nate,
I know that you're live in Oxtar, California. We just
saw via social media that the Lion, Michaeh Parsons in
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his hold in is kind of walking around practice today comfortable, comfortable.
He's not in afleets, he's not in sneakers, and a
good pair of crocs is a good pair of crocs.
So we we've come to the point where Micah is
not even pretending anymore. It's not this is not even
I ain't doing nothing to you. Ain't getting too much
(02:37):
out of me, uh today, but just getting right into
what we saw the other day with the Cowboys at
training camp. We saw head coach Mike McCarthy and and
it's his conversation since he's gotten his job and he's
talked more about that.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Lord.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Shottenheimer, Lord forgive me. I don't know where that came from.
He has been very, very adamant since he's gotten this
job about what he wanted this football team to be,
and physical has been the theme that he's talked about.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And then yesterday in practice and and the other days
in practice, the Cowboys have talked about being disciplined and
not having the fights and not doing those things. And
we saw yesterday and I'll start with you, Nate, uh
coach Schottenheimer making the team old school style, get on
the line and run, because he got a little bit
(03:43):
ticked off about the excessive amount of fighting that was
happening happening in training camp. Nate, is this something that
you think with the form of punishment, will that will
that where thin on the players? It is something that
will get them back in line? Like, what do you
do you about the fighting happened?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
He got training camp, It was bound to happen. The
speed of practice, even when pads and I don't like
yesterday were just the shells, just the speed and always
the twenty four to seven competition of getting out for
the guy, competing against a guy, whereas you know last year,
you know, guys could run off the line. It was
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if you know, if you saw it was going to
be a contested ball, the dB back down or you
see the back run through the hole and he go
through there pretty clean. And you know you can't go
up and knock at the ball. You know, let guys
run free. Everybody's stay up at all costs. But that's
not happening now. And he said today at first time,
the guy's gonna have to take it to the edge
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because that is what gets you right. And I'm saying
even further, especially in the NFC, that's what gets you right.
I know he's not going to back down, but he
also needs discipline. He also you need to understand that
this is your teammates. Take it to the edge and
then back up. You gotta know where that edge at.
And now you now they know where that edge at
and and they're running. That was just something to catch
(05:04):
their attention. You know, just running ain't gonna stop.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
When's the last time you heard of a coach, Paul,
when's the last time a coach ran as players like that?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Probably been It's probably been a while, man, I mean,
but he just wanted to catch their attention, and that's
all that was attention getter. Uh. The only people that
really affected was the old line, you know, you bet
we're gonna be fighting. But it's a good thing, man.
I mean, he's pushing it to the edge and uh,
do you know people telling him what are you going
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to do with it? He don't care. At this point.
It's time to get prepared to play. Man.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
That's what causes all these skirmishes, is that because everybody, Okay,
if everybody knows you're going right to the edge and
they know that guy across from him is.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Coming at him, is it that just one.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Guy taking a little too far? Is it all the
trash talking afterwards?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I mean, all of that, all of the above. Guys
are taking to the edge. And I said this early
and it is coming true. Guys, for the first time
since Jimmy Johnson when he first came in and say,
I don't know you guys, he took a different tactic
than this coach. He knows these guys. You're like, I
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don't know of y'all. You got to show me you
can play. And that's whether you in pass out of pads.
We have a certain tempoint. You gotta show and this guys,
especially the running backs, they they everybody feel like they
can make this team. The defensive backs with all the
major injuries and guys are slow to come back from injury,
guys really believe they have a chance to make the
(06:37):
fifty three man roster. You got your six to seven
core guys, but other than that, guys are fighting for
serious playing time. And some guys can say, you know what,
I may really do have a chance to make this
team because he's not going with the like. And I'll
give you example. I thought Austin Richards would be the
next guy up swing tackle, right or left. That's not
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the case. Nate Thomas is the is the is the
guy early in camp and our purpose is early in camp.
That's where they at. They too deep at every position,
and if a guy ahead of you goes down for
any reason, you go in. You go in, and you
run with the first team.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Susan, is that fair for a coach to ask for
this physicalness, for this taking it to the edge, and
then get mad and start running guys.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You know what, my friends, that's old school Jesse. Remember
we used to go to the edge. I mean, players
have to know you have to know how far to
push it. And and now that they know, I mean,
players should be in by the next week. Guys should
be in a good rhythm, knowing what the coach want,
(07:49):
knowing how to practice and and and and what it
does is just raises your level of uh of intensity.
That's all it does, you know. And it's called adversity
playing through every Sola guy gab in your chest and
long as you know, Sola guy kind of pushed you
in the back. So what it happens in the game,
I don't see let them flying off trying to beat
(08:10):
up number ninety eight for the when he pushed him
in the back. Okay, if you ain't gonna beat up
that guy or beat up the guys out on your team, No.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I think you're making a fantastic point. And a lot
of what this is, this is a part of honestly
a part of the process because you you you we
all heard about Brian Shotton coming in here and it
was the word, the C word, right, culture and it
was changing and it was it was it was culture
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and changing the culture. And the next thing was we're
going to be a physical, physical football team. And the
the shortest distance between any two points of the straight line.
And so to go from being undisciplined and having a
culture of tender this Cowboys team because this team wasn't
(09:03):
a physically tough team. It wasn't. We weren't, and we
saw it every time we went up against a team
who was truly a physical football team, we folded like
cheap lawn chairs. And so you know Shaddy being semi
a part of that and being able to watch that
his first opportunity as a head coach, he's like, all right, cool,
I'm doing this thing differently, right, And this is just
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whenever you're changing, whenever you're going through some things, there
are some pitfalls that you kind of have to get over.
And if you're going from being the whining cheese and
the entitled type of cowboys to now more physical type
of cowboys, so to give from this process to that process,
there is some step that you have to go through.
(09:49):
This is a part of the process, right. The fights
are going to happen because everyone's learning about this whole
new physical thing because it wasn't a part of who
they were, at least the guys who are returning, guys
that have been here. It wasn't a culture of being
aggressive and physicalness. And you talk about Shaddy always wanting
to compete. Not a lot of one on one, not
a lot a lot of seven, a lot of eleven
(10:10):
on eleven football. Meaning see, sometimes when you do one
on one, guys are off to the side, you know,
sometimes guys buddy buddy up. When you're doing eleven on
eleven competition, it heightens it. In addition to that, as
Nate was saying, Shoddy is doing this thing. And I
only saw this other time happen when I was in
New England, when it was everybody's competing for playing time.
(10:34):
Now you know that CD ain't compete for playing time,
you know that, and you know that dak ain't compete
for playing time, right, those guys are solidified. But everyone
else and they said, it's about five or six guys
that you kind of know, you know Tyler Smith, and
I forgot it was either the offensive line coach or
Shoddy said, you know, everyone else gains an offensive line
except Tyler Smith is competing for a job.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But when you have that love of competition, it does
raise the level of hostility, right.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And so I like hostility.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I don't I don't want the fighting, but in this
process I get it. I understand it. But I also
applaud uh Cooshatti because he's also saying I want the physicalness,
I want the aggressive this, I want the culture change.
But we can't fight because not just because you can't
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fight your teammates, it's a fifteen yard penalty the game
like that's a fifteen So I don't even want to
begin that culture and see, and that's the biggest thing
is that I'm not saying that there aren't fights at
training camp. But if you go around and look at
the other teams in the league that we deem physical
football teams, the Baltimore or the Niners and all that
kind of stuff, you don't hear about fights. Yeah, at
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the rate, we're hanging about fights at training camp because
it's a part of who they are. So you know,
every day I come out here practice that is, especially
when we got pads on, strap up, it's put your
shin strop, all the snaps on, because that's how we
that's how we roll. This is a change, So players
are still adjusting to wait a second, bro, you don
(12:15):
jack me in my trust a little bit too hard.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
And now you have to.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You have to adjust to it.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
And so like they're learning not just to be physical,
but I mean, this team hasn't been real disciplined in
the last few seks. So this is all a part
of the whole overall process. We should see them theoretically
be more disciplined on the field now going The.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Thing here is you're going faster, You're being a little
bit more handsy with no when they have no paths on,
You're being a little bit more handsy. So guys are
used to just running clean, going running routes, not getting
pressed hard, not getting challenged or offensive alynment of getting
their hands inside and half walking off the ball, defensive
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linment giving a few feet. It ain't sun in dance
time yet. That'll happen during the season. Right now, it's
like you're only gonna get one or two snaps and
you're out of there and they're judging you, and they're
calling you out in the meetings like what are you
doing here? And the whole team is looking at you.
So you got to pick up your temple, You gotta
pick up your pace. I hope this can continue your
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own I mean, but we may not see it havings
effect in the first part of the season. But as
the season go on and these guys can needed to
work and to get better into and to mature, you'll
see it, you know, and they'll be very very competitive.
Like I said, I'm gonna keep saying, I don't know
what the record gonna be, but as long as they
way better than they was the first game, they may
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win the first game. But if they get better every week,
that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And and to add on to that, Nate, when you're
talking about how to build a team, you know, it's
it's you. You want your team to be peaking and
you want things to come together when its the most
and that's the thing that this team is locked. And
you heard Ceedee Lamb talked about it. You know, he
said that we needed we need to be more disciplined
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because we've how many games have we watched When we
came back in, he was like, man, that holding killed
the drive. The Cowboys were driving down the field and
next thing you know, on third down holding they went
from third and six, third and five to third and fifteen.
And it's a drive killer. And now you're trying to
make up. But also it's it's a you know, when
they're doing this competition, when they're doing this eleven to eleven,
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when they're being physical, I, as a coach, as a scout,
as the people in the front office, I now get
a truer indication on how to evaluate you. I get
a truer indication of because again and you heard, if
you listen to the press conference today, you heard Brian
schot Harman talk about it. It said, you know, one on
ones at time are not realistic. You know, quarterbacks holding
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the ball back there, you know, in one on one
routes and he's patting the ball, it's seven seconds. That's
a sack. Run all over the player, that's a sack. Right,
Receivers are running routes and were just running inside like
ain't no linebacker in there, ain't no safety bearing down
on you. You know, you know those type of things. You know,
you know, you do the one on one with the
offensive lineman and now all of a sudden, you know,
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you just you spin off in the inside like they
won't be a guard and they able to hand out
there to knock you back onto the tackle, and so
on and so forth. So this is the way that
he's doing it, and I do have to give I
do gotta give Shotty credit. Is he's so far, so far,
and my hope is that he doesn't change. My hope
(15:35):
is that there aren't complaints that come in, that there
aren't players or front off of the things that. Yeah,
I hope that there aren't things that change the way
he's going at it because and it's early, it's still early,
but he has taken I mean, he's Frank Sinatra. He
is doing it his way at training camp, and for
(15:56):
that I applaud him. Hey, we ain't doing all this stuff.
We're doing love and on Loven. I don't want to
do this. We're doing that.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I want that to be if he can maintain that.
Now we all know that you when you're the new hire,
you get you get a little bit of a leeway
right until things start going to start going right, and
then the powers that be may start restricting you from doing.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Things that cannot Jesse, stop that that's doesn't even go there.
That cannot happen because if that happens, why did you
come out here in training camp and waste your time?
That will be a total waste of time. But it's
gonna be some growing pains. And I said it at
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the beginning of the year. I said, when they started
these OTAs, when it comes time, if things don't start
out right, are you going to continue to believe? You
know that this guy's giving you the right the right direction,
the right blueprint. And you know me and you gonna
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think that all years. Yes, I mean, we know it's
gonna be some boxing rod, but we understand how how
much it takes to change a culture or way you
do things. And I'm talking about from being a tender
roning to being a you know, a grade B steak,
I mean, not good at all, but just being tough,
you know, So that cannot be you know, if that happens,
(17:19):
why did you do this training camp?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
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Speaker 4 (17:27):
Ah, man, I speak just a lit bit in the
second half match. What you gotta say, babe?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
All right, man, all right, So what we're gonna do
is take our first break. When we come back. Uh,
We're gonna talk a little bit about continue the conversation
about the physicalness. I know there's some injuries that's been
happening in training camp, and some may say because it's
a little bit too physical, so you think Shoty should
pull back on that or continue to go full speed ahead.
We'll break that down on the other side of this break,
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As we get back into the conversation, we got Kurt Daniels, myself,
Salt Pepper Poppy, and we have Nate Newton boots on
the ground in ox Star, California. And one of the
things that we've seen in addition to and continuation to
our conference in the first segment about the practice style
(21:05):
from Brian Schottenheimer and the physicality, and we talked about
discipline and how that's going to be a culture change
and how that has to be a new way of
thinking and acting and practicing for the Cowboys players. But
we're talking about football and the one thing that I
always tell fans and other football people. Is football is
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a one hundred percent hurt business. You do not play
this game and you do not come out of this
thing without some sort of injury. Now, the injury is
all dependent upon how severe it is. Coaches say, are
you hurt? Are you injured? Yeah, because everybody hurt. You
play this game of football, every body team will hurt.
It is a one hundred percent fact you will hurt. Now,
(21:50):
the injury part of this is the things that we
sometimes cannot control. And for the Cowboys right now, they
it seems like some and has the Dallas Cowboys training,
can't roster voodoo doll and all these injuries are happening
amongst the Cowboys. Yeah, players are going down left and
(22:11):
right offensive line. Mean, the Dbs have already been, you know,
suffering some things tight ends, and so you're seeing these injuries.
And some may say, ah, maybe practice a little bit
too physical. Maybe maybe maybe hanging and banging is a
little bit too much for the Cowboys right now? Should
should this be something that shot he looks at because
I know under under the head coach of Michael from Pittsburgh,
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they tracked these things and it was always about you
know players were being taken care of, and it wasn't
you know, a bunch of physical stuff and you know,
teaching them about how much Mike McCarthy took care of
the players and how fresh they were. O'Brian's Tottenheimer seems
to have a different approach this, and he wants to
get physical. But if injuries begin to mount, Nate, should
Brian Schottenheimer forge forward and keep the same way that
(22:59):
he's been doing things or should he go? All right?
All right, all right, I'll ask I'll ask you yes,
and I'll back down a little bit on the physicality
a practice.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
If over have your team get hurt. Yeah, but don't
we have a team. Ain't there yet, so it just
keep keep pushing, keep pushing. I mean we, like I said,
we got maybe four guys, three guys, three and a
half guys on defense. We got maybe four guys on
offense that are the core of your team. And it's
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gonna be who plays the most, especially on the defensive
line and the secondary. It's like the guys that survived
this thing, the guys that are mentally and physically smart
enough and capable to survive this thing. Because if you
if you back up and start going the other way.
What brings penalties? Two things bring penalties exhausting, not being
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in shape, and of talent. And if you don't have talent,
you definitely got to be in shape and you got
to be mentally smart to give yourself a chance. So
you got to keep pushing forward. You got to find
out who those smart guys are, who you can depend
on when when when when? Adversity, which is exhaustion, is
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a part of adversity. Being out of shape is a
part of adversity. You got to know these things where
guys can learn to work through them. Like you said
it perfect. Some guys are hurt and used to be.
The last year, when guys got hurt, they walked away.
And the guys that are truly injured, I mean you
know who they are, they don't make it back. But
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the guys that, oh man, I got to bump on them.
Oh I got my anchor rolled up on. Can you walk?
Can you run? Is anything structurally damage? No? It Now
it comes down to your threshold of pain. So a
lot of guys either going to learn to work through
it or they'll be sitting on the bench and out
the other guy there to hurt pinky paying. Yeah, that's
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all it is.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yet I like that.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Way he put it that this isn't just about the
physicality of getting ready to hit or whatever. It's the
mental side of if you survive, you're ready interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
And that's why I say, personally, even there is not
a and I have to say this, I have to
say this correctly because I know people will hold me
to it and they be like, he can't stop, no,
no matter who gets hurt. And I'm not saying be reckless, right,
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I'm not saying be reckless.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, I mean guy and getting hurt that was just
in the normal course of play.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
You don't cannot stop. But even if it means that
we go into the early part of this year a
little bit banged up, because eventually you're gonna get these
guys back. But what you're trying to build is if
you're truly trying to build culture, and if this is
the thing that you're trying to build one, you're not
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gonna do it in three months. You're just not. It's
not happening in three months. This if your leash is
long enough. Now I know I put the man out
of a job in a year and a half. If
you don't get this stuff right, I know I stand
on that, and I still stand on that. But if
your if your agenda and your goal and your purpose
is to truly change the culture, it's gonna take more
(26:25):
than three months. So I cannot stop. I'm not wishing injury, hurt,
harm or danger on anyone, but there is no one
that should be able to stop this physical train from
moving forward. We'll figure it out. And even if somebody
gets hurt in practice. Again, if an ankle gets rolled
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up on, or somebody following somebody, that's not malicious, right,
it's not malicious. Now if someone takes a dirty shot
at somebody, that's malicious. But you gotta this thing. This,
this thing has to go through the season.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Oh yeah, if he backs off, it has to go.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It has to go because until they truly believe that
they are physical and this is the thing, This is
the thing, This is the thing. It's one thing to
to sign up for karate class. It's one thing to
sign up for a kickboxing class. It's one thing to
sign up for a boxing class. It's a whole other
thing from doing the practice what's all, how y'all? And
(27:28):
doing the shadow boxing and doing all that kind of
stuff to somebody punches you in the until you get
punched in the face. Right, because you can do all
this and talk about this we're physical or work physical
world physical. And then you gotta go see Trent Williams
and he says, and.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Then you go, they're gonna see it in week one.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Right, do.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You revert back to what you were or do you
go you get punched in the face and you go,
got it, you puss back in the face that that's
where it has to be.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
And so it just may They tell elm be flood.
It ain't no fun when the rabbit.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Got the It's not fun when the rabbit got the gun.
You gotta gotta be a rabbit now. You got to
beat the rabbit now. And so for for Shoty, this
is your shot man. This is what you've been waiting
twenty years for. This is the part where if if
I'm gonna truly do this, it's gonna be done my way.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
We've talked too about you know, Nate always says, all
the first five games of the regular season or your
preseason are getting in shape, and you see all these
early season injuries. This has to kind of eliminate some
of that, Right, they're gonna be better ready to hit
the ground runner.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Yeah. And the thing about it is, like I said,
we got seven core guys. You got to give a
few of these guys some pre season. I mean, Nate
Thomas is that's say he that's say he's the guy
that's say Austin Riches can't take his job. Well, you
got to give them something in the preseason. You know
you got it. When Verse come in here with the
Rams and uh Poona Nathan and Poonam forwards, you and
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all these guys come in, you gotta make sure they're
up and running that Hey, fellas, this is what we're
gonna face. And these are the type of guys that
play play like closest to the NFC East. The East
is the beast man, I mean, and I ain't talking
about I don't know what the record of Philadelphia gonna be.
I don't know what the record of the Giant's gonna be.
At the Washington team, but I know they've all got
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defenses and they are all healthy at this point. We
don't know about it a month from now, but as
of right now, they are all healthy. So let's go man,
tell us how to appreciate y'all. Let me take up
a little bit of your time, Jess. I mean, I
hope you find places of Frank Sinash before y'all get
off there, and y'all have a great all right, all right,
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Newton goes back to doing what Nate Newton does in Oxtar, California.
When we come back from this break, we'll just we'll
we'll we'll go through a list of different things that
well we can talk about, uh, talking about how he
wants an attacking front line, does he have to play
it for it? Does he have does he have the
jimmies and joels to match the x's and o's that
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I think it is all right. I think we're good.
I think I think we're good. As we put a
bow on this show, we're always gonna talk about the offense, right.
It is the staple of the Dallas Cowboys. It's been
that way for a while. They get all the pretty girls, right,
the offense hits all the pretty girls. Chicks dig the
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long ball, as they say in baseball, and chicks dig
the quarterback, receivers and running backs and all that kind
of stuff. You know, as I know, as I do know,
Yes I do, Kurt, Yes, yes I do. But the
one thing that we know that has been a thorn
in the Cowboys success side is the defense, and most
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importantly and more specifically the defensive line. Head coach, excuse me,
defensive coordinator. Former head coach defensive coordinator for the Cowboys. Now,
Matt Eberflus was talking about wanting to have an attacking front,
and one thing about that. When you hear the word
attacking front, that means I want to go and get
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the quarter back. I want to be moving up the field.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
That wanting some clarification on now you're just moving forward
to it than Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
This, this, this defensive front under under Matt Eberflus is
a front that's going to move forward. It's not going
to be a lot of exotic you know. And what
I mean where you know, a bunch of guys are
standing around and moving around. It may be some slants,
meaning the offensive line may excuse me, the defensive line
may line up, and then the entire defensive line may
slant right right. I'll slint everybody right, and they have
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a backer looping around left to clean up whatever is
is coming off that side. So and that may be
some of the ways. Here's my issue. And I don't
know if this is going to get me in trouble,
but one did it ever stop me? The great people
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and I don't know, Paul, you might have been a
part of this. They they they they did a they
did a clip. And when we're talking about an attacking front,
and I don't want to attack this, but he is
the topic of discussion, Mozzie Smith. He is a person
that's in the center of this, all right, MICA's and Crocs.
So until Micah gets a deal, CROs and he won't
(36:12):
be a part of this attacking defensive front. But Mozzie
Smith is a guy that we're all going to be
looking at and hopefully, hopefully depending on to step up
and play a role. But this clip and this sequence
in this clip has never left my mind since I
saw it. And the good people here at Dallas Cowboys
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dot Com they do a fantastic job with giving you
some of the sound the sound bites and some of
the miked up stuff. And they were doing a segment
during OTA's and I want to say it was Coach
White Cotton and he was miked up and he had
the defensive linemen and they were doing the hoop drill.
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If you don't know what the hoop drill, it's it's
think a hula hoop and then your normal sized hula
hoop and then magnified times five. It's a big hoop.
And the purpose of this drill is to maintain your
leverage low, staying low, being able to lean, being able
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to keep your pad level down. You start at one
end of the hula hoop and you just basically want
to do a circle as fast as you can, and
then they'll add you see at the combine you see
it in drills, they'll add a towel to it so
that when you coming by, you can swipe pick up
the towel at one end of the hoop, and then
when you get the top of the other in the hoop,
you drop the towel down and then you finish through
the drill. And I watched this drill and to the
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common eye, you saw Coach white Cotton and he's excited
and he's hype, and you know he's raw rack. And
Mazie comes to this drill and you immediately see him
straight up and he gets stuck like he's trying to
get around the hoop. And if you know anything about
if you're running track, if you're a NASCAR, it's all
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about being low and tight and low to the ground,
and if you get high, you'll get stuck. And he
gets high and you can see he gets stuck trying
to turn the corner where he has to kind of
hicc up to get around. And I heard Coach Whitecott
yell at him. He says, he's like, you know, I
don't care if you didn't do it right. You're competed.
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And I was like, oh, that's not good. That's not good.
It's just not good because we're trying to teach and
give better habits to a player who's lacking good habits.
And one of the things that he lacks is get
off pat leverage. And this is why you see him
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get moved over two and three holes and out of
the screen for offensive lineman because he's just pat level
them officive lineman get up under you, and they just
they're road graders. And if ibra Flus is going to
have an attacking defensive line and attacking front, I am
I am, honestly, Kurt, I'm lost at ways that he's
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going to accomplish this.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
M Yeah, because you don't have the sie or the size.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Okay, you don't.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
You don't have the size, you don't have the I
don't know if you have the players.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Would you forego like this rookie to uh is huge parents,
you know he's a big guy. To Sorry, I'll get
it right.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
It's all good. He ain't done nothing, he ain't done
none yet. You know the rules here?
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I need to take you know the rules? Yeah, I
just need to go by the name.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
You know the rules here?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
We don't get names right here until you start doing something.
I called Setnheimer. Mike mcconny, do something, Yeah, do something,
You'll be memorable.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
But do you I mean six two, three forty? Is
that Should they be focusing on him as he's first
and he's taking for first team reps? Is he the
guy you need instead of trying to get Mazzi at
this point to work on his pad, live on all
this other stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
If and now here is where logic and here is
where politics come into play. Logically, you would say, well,
this other guy's been here for a while and isn't
showing much. And you can hear the why the way
the coaches even talk about him. They're not too high
(40:24):
up on him. We should probably move on. Politically, it
goes from upstairs.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
It's a first round pick.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Some people may say that they need three or four
years to get till they waiting to get to So
I'm not willing to give up on him just yet.
So now he's in the rotation. Now, no, you have
to file playing time for him. I hired you to
be a better coach. I hired you as coaches because
you could. You assured me that you would be able
to get something out of him. So that's the logical
approach versus the political approach that happens in football locker rooms,
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the meeting rooms. But if Brian Schottenheimer again, it's true
to what he's been saying, and he's saying, those who
perform well in practice and earn playing time will get it.
And I don't know if Jay is it. And I'm
not saying that. I don't know. I just don't know
whether he's done or not done or not done. I
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just don't know. I don't know if just because he's
three forty can he do it? You know, it's a
it's a kid right now in Tampa four pound, he's big.
They won't even let him practice. So, yeah, he's three forty.
I don't know. I don't know, right, does he understand
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his keys? Is his leverage? And again, is he the
attacking type? Because he three forty feels like two gaping.
It feels like, hey, just be big, just take to
take up two blockers, keep the linebackers clean. Three forty
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don't sound like attacking up the field, true, right, Like
it just doesn't sound that way. And I'm not listen.
I'm an undrafted guy. I'm a try hard guy. And
Jason Garret said he was she had fifty three of
me go figure, But there's a reason why he went
the seventh round. And sometimes you can miss, sometimes you
can miss. But but but you're talking about a guy
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who went in the seven round in a position that's
not normally littered with you know, super duper talent.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
Yeah, it's not deep.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
It's not defensive lineman on, it's not a deep thing,
you know what I mean. So I don't know what
jay Toya can do. I know what Masi has done. True,
So there is that there's that piece that goes back
and forth. Well, I know what he's gonna give me,
and that's that may not be what we need. And
I'm preseason has never had such a more meaning for
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this front because us. You hear about all right, Sam
Williams is ready to play, right, You hear about Donovan
as a ROCKU like how he's having a fantastic training
camp and you you know, at some point in time,
hopefully the lion will come back, right sure, And you're
talking about Kneeland and you're talking about Fowler and right
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these these these pass rushers who are looking to get
up to the quarterback. It'll all be for not if
you can't get a third down in passing downs. You
know what I'm saying. If you if you can't get
to a point where these dudes you can just unleash
the unhooked the leashes and let them go attack. You
can't play as a rock on first downs like that.
It's two hundred and forty pounds. What is he gonna
(43:43):
do against Jordan Mailata? Nothing unless he's able to He's not.
He's not. Listen, guys, he ain't running through the chests
of Lane Johnson. No, he ain't running through the chest
and Lane Johnson. And if you if it's a rundown
langlet you growing up the field. He's gonna let you
go past you. He're gonna wrek you running hoop say
kwan be going out the other way. So, if you
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can't do something to put teams in necessary passing downs
where you can have now these specialists, that's what's gonna be.
And as we always say, it's a copycat league, they
gonna come back and go all right, New Year, save cowboys.
Let's find out. We're gonna find out they can actually
stop the run. And you're gonna get a test Week
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one National TV. You are gonna get the biggest test.
There won't be a bigger test this season than.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Week one that line, and that's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
That line that running quarterback Barkley like you will not,
there will not be a bigger test of what you
are in the especially in the middle of that defense.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
Then week one, you're feeling a lot of hope here.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
I know what ebra Flus is saying and what he wants.
I don't know if he has, like he he wants
a Michelin's five star meal, I don't know if he
has utensils to provide that, not saying that they can't
eat good. I don't know if it's going to be
Michelan true, you know what I mean. I don't know
(45:12):
if it's going to be Michelan And and maybe the
offense kind of supplements that by going out there and
getting a lead and playing up ten points, fourteen points,
where now the opposing team has to play a little
bit of a catch up. And now you do that
through the passing game, which now allows the defense, right,
so like, but if you have to go just man
(45:34):
for man, I don't I don't know if the Cowboys
upfront currently have enough.
Speaker 6 (45:40):
And that's I mean, that's what This is the third
DC in the last three years. In the first two
had the same issues.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
I guess.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
So even though is well respected and comes over with
you know, skins on the wall, can he scheme this
up to to improve it?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
And the words of Mickey Spagnola. We'll find out. We'll
find out, all right, man, that's our show. They give
you Mickey Spagnola reference. Huh, yeah, I know he look
at me, evolve it, look at me growing up, you
know what I'm saying, look at me my touring. Uh,
that's our show, man. We appreciate you guys joining us
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each and every week. We'll be back. What's the day
we bet?
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Monday? Monday?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Back Monday. We'll be back Monday for another show. That
next week the Rams come to town.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah, next week the Rams Coate's gonna guys, Nate's gonna
be tickled paint when the Rams come to town. All right, man,
thank you guys for joining us each and every week.
For Kurt, Sir Paul in the back, for Nate on
the phone, for Shannon and Canton. I am Salt Pepper, Poppy.
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Speaker 4 (01:27):
We yes, what's that big fella man, y'all? What's happening? Man?
You know I guess Canton, you know, I mean you
want Shannon there can't just living it.
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Up, it says, so it says, I don't know this
doing Canton, about living it up. Travel A couple of
times I wasn't. I wouldn't call Canton, Ohio place where
you living it up.
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But we're from it may not.
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Be it does it does. The Cowboys are back at
practice today after a day off yesterday. We just saw Nate,
I know that you're live in Oxtar, California. We just
saw via social media that the Lion, Michaeh Parsons in
(02:14):
his hold in is kind of walking around practice today comfortable, comfortable.
He's not in afleets, he's not in sneakers, and a
good pair of crocs is a good pair of crocs.
So we we've come to the point where Micah is
not even pretending anymore. It's not this is not even
I ain't doing nothing to you. Ain't getting too much
(02:37):
out of me, uh today, but just getting right into
what we saw the other day with the Cowboys at
training camp. We saw head coach Mike McCarthy and and
it's his conversation since he's gotten his job and he's
talked more about that.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Lord.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Shottenheimer, Lord forgive me. I don't know where that came from.
He has been very, very adamant since he's gotten this
job about what he wanted this football team to be,
and physical has been the theme that he's talked about.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And then yesterday in practice and and the other days
in practice, the Cowboys have talked about being disciplined and
not having the fights and not doing those things. And
we saw yesterday and I'll start with you, Nate, uh
coach Schottenheimer making the team old school style, get on
the line and run, because he got a little bit
(03:43):
ticked off about the excessive amount of fighting that was
happening happening in training camp. Nate, is this something that
you think with the form of punishment, will that will
that where thin on the players? It is something that
will get them back in line? Like, what do you
do you about the fighting happened?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
He got training camp, It was bound to happen. The
speed of practice, even when pads and I don't like
yesterday were just the shells, just the speed and always
the twenty four to seven competition of getting out for
the guy, competing against a guy, whereas you know last year,
you know, guys could run off the line. It was
(04:22):
if you know, if you saw it was going to
be a contested ball, the dB back down or you
see the back run through the hole and he go
through there pretty clean. And you know you can't go
up and knock at the ball. You know, let guys
run free. Everybody's stay up at all costs. But that's
not happening now. And he said today at first time,
the guy's gonna have to take it to the edge
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because that is what gets you right. And I'm saying
even further, especially in the NFC, that's what gets you right.
I know he's not going to back down, but he
also needs discipline. He also you need to understand that
this is your teammates. Take it to the edge and
then back up. You gotta know where that edge at.
And now you now they know where that edge at
and and they're running. That was just something to catch
(05:04):
their attention. You know, just running ain't gonna stop.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
When's the last time you heard of a coach, Paul,
when's the last time a coach ran as players like that?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Probably been It's probably been a while, man, I mean,
but he just wanted to catch their attention, and that's
all that was attention getter. Uh. The only people that
really affected was the old line, you know, you bet
we're gonna be fighting. But it's a good thing, man.
I mean, he's pushing it to the edge and uh,
do you know people telling him what are you going
(05:34):
to do with it? He don't care. At this point.
It's time to get prepared to play. Man.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
That's what causes all these skirmishes, is that because everybody, Okay,
if everybody knows you're going right to the edge and
they know that guy across from him is.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Coming at him, is it that just one.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Guy taking a little too far? Is it all the
trash talking afterwards?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I mean, all of that, all of the above. Guys
are taking to the edge. And I said this early
and it is coming true. Guys, for the first time
since Jimmy Johnson when he first came in and say,
I don't know you guys, he took a different tactic
than this coach. He knows these guys. You're like, I
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don't know of y'all. You got to show me you
can play. And that's whether you in pass out of pads.
We have a certain tempoint. You gotta show and this guys,
especially the running backs, they they everybody feel like they
can make this team. The defensive backs with all the
major injuries and guys are slow to come back from injury,
guys really believe they have a chance to make the
(06:37):
fifty three man roster. You got your six to seven
core guys, but other than that, guys are fighting for
serious playing time. And some guys can say, you know what,
I may really do have a chance to make this
team because he's not going with the like. And I'll
give you example. I thought Austin Richards would be the
next guy up swing tackle, right or left. That's not
(06:59):
the case. Nate Thomas is the is the is the
guy early in camp and our purpose is early in camp.
That's where they at. They too deep at every position,
and if a guy ahead of you goes down for
any reason, you go in. You go in, and you
run with the first team.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Susan, is that fair for a coach to ask for
this physicalness, for this taking it to the edge, and
then get mad and start running guys.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You know what, my friends, that's old school Jesse. Remember
we used to go to the edge. I mean, players
have to know you have to know how far to
push it. And and now that they know, I mean,
players should be in by the next week. Guys should
be in a good rhythm, knowing what the coach want,
(07:49):
knowing how to practice and and and and what it
does is just raises your level of uh of intensity.
That's all it does, you know. And it's called adversity
playing through every Sola guy gab in your chest and
long as you know, Sola guy kind of pushed you
in the back. So what it happens in the game,
I don't see let them flying off trying to beat
(08:10):
up number ninety eight for the when he pushed him
in the back. Okay, if you ain't gonna beat up
that guy or beat up the guys out on your team, No.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I think you're making a fantastic point. And a lot
of what this is, this is a part of honestly
a part of the process because you you you we
all heard about Brian Shotton coming in here and it
was the word, the C word, right, culture and it
was changing and it was it was it was culture
(08:42):
and changing the culture. And the next thing was we're
going to be a physical, physical football team. And the
the shortest distance between any two points of the straight line.
And so to go from being undisciplined and having a
culture of tender this Cowboys team because this team wasn't
(09:03):
a physically tough team. It wasn't. We weren't, and we
saw it every time we went up against a team
who was truly a physical football team, we folded like
cheap lawn chairs. And so you know Shaddy being semi
a part of that and being able to watch that
his first opportunity as a head coach, he's like, all right, cool,
I'm doing this thing differently, right, And this is just
(09:27):
whenever you're changing, whenever you're going through some things, there
are some pitfalls that you kind of have to get over.
And if you're going from being the whining cheese and
the entitled type of cowboys to now more physical type
of cowboys, so to give from this process to that process,
there is some step that you have to go through.
(09:49):
This is a part of the process, right. The fights
are going to happen because everyone's learning about this whole
new physical thing because it wasn't a part of who
they were, at least the guys who are returning, guys
that have been here. It wasn't a culture of being
aggressive and physicalness. And you talk about Shaddy always wanting
to compete. Not a lot of one on one, not
a lot a lot of seven, a lot of eleven
(10:10):
on eleven football. Meaning see, sometimes when you do one
on one, guys are off to the side, you know,
sometimes guys buddy buddy up. When you're doing eleven on
eleven competition, it heightens it. In addition to that, as
Nate was saying, Shoddy is doing this thing. And I
only saw this other time happen when I was in
New England, when it was everybody's competing for playing time.
(10:34):
Now you know that CD ain't compete for playing time,
you know that, and you know that dak ain't compete
for playing time, right, those guys are solidified. But everyone
else and they said, it's about five or six guys
that you kind of know, you know Tyler Smith, and
I forgot it was either the offensive line coach or
Shoddy said, you know, everyone else gains an offensive line
except Tyler Smith is competing for a job.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But when you have that love of competition, it does
raise the level of hostility, right.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And so I like hostility.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I don't I don't want the fighting, but in this
process I get it. I understand it. But I also
applaud uh Cooshatti because he's also saying I want the physicalness,
I want the aggressive this, I want the culture change.
But we can't fight because not just because you can't
(11:29):
fight your teammates, it's a fifteen yard penalty the game
like that's a fifteen So I don't even want to
begin that culture and see, and that's the biggest thing
is that I'm not saying that there aren't fights at
training camp. But if you go around and look at
the other teams in the league that we deem physical
football teams, the Baltimore or the Niners and all that
kind of stuff, you don't hear about fights. Yeah, at
(11:53):
the rate, we're hanging about fights at training camp because
it's a part of who they are. So you know,
every day I come out here practice that is, especially
when we got pads on, strap up, it's put your
shin strop, all the snaps on, because that's how we
that's how we roll. This is a change, So players
are still adjusting to wait a second, bro, you don
(12:15):
jack me in my trust a little bit too hard.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
And now you have to.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You have to adjust to it.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
And so like they're learning not just to be physical,
but I mean, this team hasn't been real disciplined in
the last few seks. So this is all a part
of the whole overall process. We should see them theoretically
be more disciplined on the field now going The.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Thing here is you're going faster, You're being a little
bit more handsy with no when they have no paths on,
You're being a little bit more handsy. So guys are
used to just running clean, going running routes, not getting
pressed hard, not getting challenged or offensive alynment of getting
their hands inside and half walking off the ball, defensive
(12:58):
linment giving a few feet. It ain't sun in dance
time yet. That'll happen during the season. Right now, it's
like you're only gonna get one or two snaps and
you're out of there and they're judging you, and they're
calling you out in the meetings like what are you
doing here? And the whole team is looking at you.
So you got to pick up your temple, You gotta
pick up your pace. I hope this can continue your
(13:20):
own I mean, but we may not see it havings
effect in the first part of the season. But as
the season go on and these guys can needed to
work and to get better into and to mature, you'll
see it, you know, and they'll be very very competitive.
Like I said, I'm gonna keep saying, I don't know
what the record gonna be, but as long as they
way better than they was the first game, they may
(13:40):
win the first game. But if they get better every week,
that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And and to add on to that, Nate, when you're
talking about how to build a team, you know, it's
it's you. You want your team to be peaking and
you want things to come together when its the most
and that's the thing that this team is locked. And
you heard Ceedee Lamb talked about it. You know, he
said that we needed we need to be more disciplined
(14:09):
because we've how many games have we watched When we
came back in, he was like, man, that holding killed
the drive. The Cowboys were driving down the field and
next thing you know, on third down holding they went
from third and six, third and five to third and fifteen.
And it's a drive killer. And now you're trying to
make up. But also it's it's a you know, when
they're doing this competition, when they're doing this eleven to eleven,
(14:30):
when they're being physical, I, as a coach, as a scout,
as the people in the front office, I now get
a truer indication on how to evaluate you. I get
a truer indication of because again and you heard, if
you listen to the press conference today, you heard Brian
schot Harman talk about it. It said, you know, one on
ones at time are not realistic. You know, quarterbacks holding
(14:53):
the ball back there, you know, in one on one
routes and he's patting the ball, it's seven seconds. That's
a sack. Run all over the player, that's a sack. Right,
Receivers are running routes and were just running inside like
ain't no linebacker in there, ain't no safety bearing down
on you. You know, you know those type of things. You know,
you know, you do the one on one with the
offensive lineman and now all of a sudden, you know,
(15:13):
you just you spin off in the inside like they
won't be a guard and they able to hand out
there to knock you back onto the tackle, and so
on and so forth. So this is the way that
he's doing it, and I do have to give I
do gotta give Shotty credit. Is he's so far, so far,
and my hope is that he doesn't change. My hope
(15:35):
is that there aren't complaints that come in, that there
aren't players or front off of the things that. Yeah,
I hope that there aren't things that change the way
he's going at it because and it's early, it's still early,
but he has taken I mean, he's Frank Sinatra. He
is doing it his way at training camp, and for
(15:56):
that I applaud him. Hey, we ain't doing all this stuff.
We're doing love and on Loven. I don't want to
do this. We're doing that.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I want that to be if he can maintain that.
Now we all know that you when you're the new hire,
you get you get a little bit of a leeway
right until things start going to start going right, and
then the powers that be may start restricting you from doing.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Things that cannot Jesse, stop that that's doesn't even go there.
That cannot happen because if that happens, why did you
come out here in training camp and waste your time?
That will be a total waste of time. But it's
gonna be some growing pains. And I said it at
(16:36):
the beginning of the year. I said, when they started
these OTAs, when it comes time, if things don't start
out right, are you going to continue to believe? You
know that this guy's giving you the right the right direction,
the right blueprint. And you know me and you gonna
(16:57):
think that all years. Yes, I mean, we know it's
gonna be some boxing rod, but we understand how how
much it takes to change a culture or way you
do things. And I'm talking about from being a tender
roning to being a you know, a grade B steak,
I mean, not good at all, but just being tough,
you know, So that cannot be you know, if that happens,
(17:19):
why did you do this training camp?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah? All right, neck, you're gonna stay here with us
for another for another segment or you gotta go.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Ah, man, I speak just a lit bit in the
second half match. What you gotta say, babe?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
All right, man, all right, So what we're gonna do
is take our first break. When we come back. Uh,
We're gonna talk a little bit about continue the conversation
about the physicalness. I know there's some injuries that's been
happening in training camp, and some may say because it's
a little bit too physical, so you think Shoty should
pull back on that or continue to go full speed ahead.
We'll break that down on the other side of this break,
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As we get back into the conversation, we got Kurt Daniels, myself,
Salt Pepper Poppy, and we have Nate Newton boots on
the ground in ox Star, California. And one of the
things that we've seen in addition to and continuation to
our conference in the first segment about the practice style
(21:05):
from Brian Schottenheimer and the physicality, and we talked about
discipline and how that's going to be a culture change
and how that has to be a new way of
thinking and acting and practicing for the Cowboys players. But
we're talking about football and the one thing that I
always tell fans and other football people. Is football is
(21:25):
a one hundred percent hurt business. You do not play
this game and you do not come out of this
thing without some sort of injury. Now, the injury is
all dependent upon how severe it is. Coaches say, are
you hurt? Are you injured? Yeah, because everybody hurt. You
play this game of football, every body team will hurt.
It is a one hundred percent fact you will hurt. Now,
(21:50):
the injury part of this is the things that we
sometimes cannot control. And for the Cowboys right now, they
it seems like some and has the Dallas Cowboys training,
can't roster voodoo doll and all these injuries are happening
amongst the Cowboys. Yeah, players are going down left and
(22:11):
right offensive line. Mean, the Dbs have already been, you know,
suffering some things tight ends, and so you're seeing these injuries.
And some may say, ah, maybe practice a little bit
too physical. Maybe maybe maybe hanging and banging is a
little bit too much for the Cowboys right now? Should
should this be something that shot he looks at because
I know under under the head coach of Michael from Pittsburgh,
(22:35):
they tracked these things and it was always about you
know players were being taken care of, and it wasn't
you know, a bunch of physical stuff and you know,
teaching them about how much Mike McCarthy took care of
the players and how fresh they were. O'Brian's Tottenheimer seems
to have a different approach this, and he wants to
get physical. But if injuries begin to mount, Nate, should
Brian Schottenheimer forge forward and keep the same way that
(22:59):
he's been doing things or should he go? All right?
All right, all right, I'll ask I'll ask you yes,
and I'll back down a little bit on the physicality
a practice.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
If over have your team get hurt. Yeah, but don't
we have a team. Ain't there yet, so it just
keep keep pushing, keep pushing. I mean we, like I said,
we got maybe four guys, three guys, three and a
half guys on defense. We got maybe four guys on
offense that are the core of your team. And it's
(23:30):
gonna be who plays the most, especially on the defensive
line and the secondary. It's like the guys that survived
this thing, the guys that are mentally and physically smart
enough and capable to survive this thing. Because if you
if you back up and start going the other way.
What brings penalties? Two things bring penalties exhausting, not being
(23:57):
in shape, and of talent. And if you don't have talent,
you definitely got to be in shape and you got
to be mentally smart to give yourself a chance. So
you got to keep pushing forward. You got to find
out who those smart guys are, who you can depend
on when when when when? Adversity, which is exhaustion, is
(24:17):
a part of adversity. Being out of shape is a
part of adversity. You got to know these things where
guys can learn to work through them. Like you said
it perfect. Some guys are hurt and used to be.
The last year, when guys got hurt, they walked away.
And the guys that are truly injured, I mean you
know who they are, they don't make it back. But
(24:39):
the guys that, oh man, I got to bump on them.
Oh I got my anchor rolled up on. Can you walk?
Can you run? Is anything structurally damage? No? It Now
it comes down to your threshold of pain. So a
lot of guys either going to learn to work through
it or they'll be sitting on the bench and out
the other guy there to hurt pinky paying. Yeah, that's
(25:02):
all it is.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yet I like that.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Way he put it that this isn't just about the
physicality of getting ready to hit or whatever. It's the
mental side of if you survive, you're ready interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
And that's why I say, personally, even there is not
a and I have to say this, I have to
say this correctly because I know people will hold me
to it and they be like, he can't stop, no,
no matter who gets hurt. And I'm not saying be reckless, right,
(25:35):
I'm not saying be reckless.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, I mean guy and getting hurt that was just
in the normal course of play.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
You don't cannot stop. But even if it means that
we go into the early part of this year a
little bit banged up, because eventually you're gonna get these
guys back. But what you're trying to build is if
you're truly trying to build culture, and if this is
the thing that you're trying to build one, you're not
(26:01):
gonna do it in three months. You're just not. It's
not happening in three months. This if your leash is
long enough. Now I know I put the man out
of a job in a year and a half. If
you don't get this stuff right, I know I stand
on that, and I still stand on that. But if
your if your agenda and your goal and your purpose
is to truly change the culture, it's gonna take more
(26:25):
than three months. So I cannot stop. I'm not wishing injury, hurt,
harm or danger on anyone, but there is no one
that should be able to stop this physical train from
moving forward. We'll figure it out. And even if somebody
gets hurt in practice. Again, if an ankle gets rolled
(26:48):
up on, or somebody following somebody, that's not malicious, right,
it's not malicious. Now if someone takes a dirty shot
at somebody, that's malicious. But you gotta this thing. This,
this thing has to go through the season.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Oh yeah, if he backs off, it has to go.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It has to go because until they truly believe that
they are physical and this is the thing, This is
the thing, This is the thing. It's one thing to
to sign up for karate class. It's one thing to
sign up for a kickboxing class. It's one thing to
sign up for a boxing class. It's a whole other
thing from doing the practice what's all, how y'all? And
(27:28):
doing the shadow boxing and doing all that kind of
stuff to somebody punches you in the until you get
punched in the face. Right, because you can do all
this and talk about this we're physical or work physical
world physical. And then you gotta go see Trent Williams
and he says, and.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Then you go, they're gonna see it in week one.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Right, do.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You revert back to what you were or do you
go you get punched in the face and you go,
got it, you puss back in the face that that's
where it has to be.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
And so it just may They tell elm be flood.
It ain't no fun when the rabbit.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Got the It's not fun when the rabbit got the gun.
You gotta gotta be a rabbit now. You got to
beat the rabbit now. And so for for Shoty, this
is your shot man. This is what you've been waiting
twenty years for. This is the part where if if
I'm gonna truly do this, it's gonna be done my way.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
We've talked too about you know, Nate always says, all
the first five games of the regular season or your
preseason are getting in shape, and you see all these
early season injuries. This has to kind of eliminate some
of that, Right, they're gonna be better ready to hit
the ground runner.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Yeah. And the thing about it is, like I said,
we got seven core guys. You got to give a
few of these guys some pre season. I mean, Nate
Thomas is that's say he that's say he's the guy
that's say Austin Riches can't take his job. Well, you
got to give them something in the preseason. You know
you got it. When Verse come in here with the
Rams and uh Poona Nathan and Poonam forwards, you and
(29:04):
all these guys come in, you gotta make sure they're
up and running that Hey, fellas, this is what we're
gonna face. And these are the type of guys that
play play like closest to the NFC East. The East
is the beast man, I mean, and I ain't talking
about I don't know what the record of Philadelphia gonna be.
I don't know what the record of the Giant's gonna be.
At the Washington team, but I know they've all got
(29:25):
defenses and they are all healthy at this point. We
don't know about it a month from now, but as
of right now, they are all healthy. So let's go man,
tell us how to appreciate y'all. Let me take up
a little bit of your time, Jess. I mean, I
hope you find places of Frank Sinash before y'all get
off there, and y'all have a great all right, all right,
(29:46):
we'll go to.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
We'll go to our last break as we as Nate
Newton goes back to doing what Nate Newton does in Oxtar, California.
When we come back from this break, we'll just we'll
we'll we'll go through a list of different things that
well we can talk about, uh, talking about how he
wants an attacking front line, does he have to play
it for it? Does he have does he have the
jimmies and joels to match the x's and o's that
(30:09):
he wants to put in place for the Cowboys deference
this year? Kurt and I will discuss those things with
you when we come back, and says, hang with the boys.
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It is the staple of the Dallas Cowboys. It's been
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Yes I do, Kurt, Yes, yes I do. But the
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(34:38):
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Matt Eberflus was talking about wanting to have an attacking front,
and one thing about that. When you hear the word
attacking front, that means I want to go and get
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the quarter back. I want to be moving up the field.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
That wanting some clarification on now you're just moving forward
to it than Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
This, this, this defensive front under under Matt Eberflus is
a front that's going to move forward. It's not going
to be a lot of exotic you know. And what
I mean where you know, a bunch of guys are
standing around and moving around. It may be some slants,
meaning the offensive line may excuse me, the defensive line
may line up, and then the entire defensive line may
slant right right. I'll slint everybody right, and they have
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a backer looping around left to clean up whatever is
is coming off that side. So and that may be
some of the ways. Here's my issue. And I don't
know if this is going to get me in trouble,
but one did it ever stop me? The great people
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and I don't know, Paul, you might have been a
part of this. They they they they did a they
did a clip. And when we're talking about an attacking front,
and I don't want to attack this, but he is
the topic of discussion, Mozzie Smith. He is a person
that's in the center of this, all right, MICA's and Crocs.
So until Micah gets a deal, CROs and he won't
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be a part of this attacking defensive front. But Mozzie
Smith is a guy that we're all going to be
looking at and hopefully, hopefully depending on to step up
and play a role. But this clip and this sequence
in this clip has never left my mind since I
saw it. And the good people here at Dallas Cowboys
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dot Com they do a fantastic job with giving you
some of the sound the sound bites and some of
the miked up stuff. And they were doing a segment
during OTA's and I want to say it was Coach
White Cotton and he was miked up and he had
the defensive linemen and they were doing the hoop drill.
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If you don't know what the hoop drill, it's it's
think a hula hoop and then your normal sized hula
hoop and then magnified times five. It's a big hoop.
And the purpose of this drill is to maintain your
leverage low, staying low, being able to lean, being able
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to keep your pad level down. You start at one
end of the hula hoop and you just basically want
to do a circle as fast as you can, and
then they'll add you see at the combine you see
it in drills, they'll add a towel to it so
that when you coming by, you can swipe pick up
the towel at one end of the hoop, and then
when you get the top of the other in the hoop,
you drop the towel down and then you finish through
the drill. And I watched this drill and to the
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common eye, you saw Coach white Cotton and he's excited
and he's hype, and you know he's raw rack. And
Mazie comes to this drill and you immediately see him
straight up and he gets stuck like he's trying to
get around the hoop. And if you know anything about
if you're running track, if you're a NASCAR, it's all
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about being low and tight and low to the ground,
and if you get high, you'll get stuck. And he
gets high and you can see he gets stuck trying
to turn the corner where he has to kind of
hicc up to get around. And I heard Coach Whitecott
yell at him. He says, he's like, you know, I
don't care if you didn't do it right. You're competed.
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And I was like, oh, that's not good. That's not good.
It's just not good because we're trying to teach and
give better habits to a player who's lacking good habits.
And one of the things that he lacks is get
off pat leverage. And this is why you see him
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get moved over two and three holes and out of
the screen for offensive lineman because he's just pat level
them officive lineman get up under you, and they just
they're road graders. And if ibra Flus is going to
have an attacking defensive line and attacking front, I am
I am, honestly, Kurt, I'm lost at ways that he's
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going to accomplish this.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
M Yeah, because you don't have the sie or the size.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Okay, you don't.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
You don't have the size, you don't have the I
don't know if you have the players.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Would you forego like this rookie to uh is huge parents,
you know he's a big guy. To Sorry, I'll get
it right.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
It's all good. He ain't done nothing, he ain't done
none yet. You know the rules here?
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I need to take you know the rules? Yeah, I
just need to go by the name.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
You know the rules here?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
We don't get names right here until you start doing something.
I called Setnheimer. Mike mcconny, do something, Yeah, do something,
You'll be memorable.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
But do you I mean six two, three forty? Is
that Should they be focusing on him as he's first
and he's taking for first team reps? Is he the
guy you need instead of trying to get Mazzi at
this point to work on his pad, live on all
this other stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
If and now here is where logic and here is
where politics come into play. Logically, you would say, well,
this other guy's been here for a while and isn't
showing much. And you can hear the why the way
the coaches even talk about him. They're not too high
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up on him. We should probably move on. Politically, it
goes from upstairs.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
It's a first round pick.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Some people may say that they need three or four
years to get till they waiting to get to So
I'm not willing to give up on him just yet.
So now he's in the rotation. Now, no, you have
to file playing time for him. I hired you to
be a better coach. I hired you as coaches because
you could. You assured me that you would be able
to get something out of him. So that's the logical
approach versus the political approach that happens in football locker rooms,
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the meeting rooms. But if Brian Schottenheimer again, it's true
to what he's been saying, and he's saying, those who
perform well in practice and earn playing time will get it.
And I don't know if Jay is it. And I'm
not saying that. I don't know. I just don't know
whether he's done or not done or not done. I
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just don't know. I don't know if just because he's
three forty can he do it? You know, it's a
it's a kid right now in Tampa four pound, he's big.
They won't even let him practice. So, yeah, he's three forty.
I don't know. I don't know, right, does he understand
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his keys? Is his leverage? And again, is he the
attacking type? Because he three forty feels like two gaping.
It feels like, hey, just be big, just take to
take up two blockers, keep the linebackers clean. Three forty
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don't sound like attacking up the field, true, right, Like
it just doesn't sound that way. And I'm not listen.
I'm an undrafted guy. I'm a try hard guy. And
Jason Garret said he was she had fifty three of
me go figure, But there's a reason why he went
the seventh round. And sometimes you can miss, sometimes you
can miss. But but but you're talking about a guy
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who went in the seven round in a position that's
not normally littered with you know, super duper talent.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
Yeah, it's not deep.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
It's not defensive lineman on, it's not a deep thing,
you know what I mean. So I don't know what
jay Toya can do. I know what Masi has done. True,
So there is that there's that piece that goes back
and forth. Well, I know what he's gonna give me,
and that's that may not be what we need. And
I'm preseason has never had such a more meaning for
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this front because us. You hear about all right, Sam
Williams is ready to play, right, You hear about Donovan
as a ROCKU like how he's having a fantastic training
camp and you you know, at some point in time,
hopefully the lion will come back, right sure, And you're
talking about Kneeland and you're talking about Fowler and right
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these these these pass rushers who are looking to get
up to the quarterback. It'll all be for not if
you can't get a third down in passing downs. You
know what I'm saying. If you if you can't get
to a point where these dudes you can just unleash
the unhooked the leashes and let them go attack. You
can't play as a rock on first downs like that.
It's two hundred and forty pounds. What is he gonna
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do against Jordan Mailata? Nothing unless he's able to He's not.
He's not. Listen, guys, he ain't running through the chests
of Lane Johnson. No, he ain't running through the chest
and Lane Johnson. And if you if it's a rundown
langlet you growing up the field. He's gonna let you
go past you. He're gonna wrek you running hoop say
kwan be going out the other way. So, if you
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can't do something to put teams in necessary passing downs
where you can have now these specialists, that's what's gonna be.
And as we always say, it's a copycat league, they
gonna come back and go all right, New Year, save cowboys.
Let's find out. We're gonna find out they can actually
stop the run. And you're gonna get a test Week
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one National TV. You are gonna get the biggest test.
There won't be a bigger test this season than.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Week one that line, and that's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
That line that running quarterback Barkley like you will not,
there will not be a bigger test of what you
are in the especially in the middle of that defense.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
Then week one, you're feeling a lot of hope here.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
I know what ebra Flus is saying and what he wants.
I don't know if he has, like he he wants
a Michelin's five star meal, I don't know if he
has utensils to provide that, not saying that they can't
eat good. I don't know if it's going to be
Michelan true, you know what I mean. I don't know
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if it's going to be Michelan And and maybe the
offense kind of supplements that by going out there and
getting a lead and playing up ten points, fourteen points,
where now the opposing team has to play a little
bit of a catch up. And now you do that
through the passing game, which now allows the defense, right,
so like, but if you have to go just man
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for man, I don't I don't know if the Cowboys
upfront currently have enough.
Speaker 6 (45:40):
And that's I mean, that's what This is the third
DC in the last three years. In the first two
had the same issues.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
I guess.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
So even though is well respected and comes over with
you know, skins on the wall, can he scheme this
up to to improve it?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
And the words of Mickey Spagnola. We'll find out. We'll
find out, all right, man, that's our show. They give
you Mickey Spagnola reference. Huh, yeah, I know he look
at me, evolve it, look at me growing up, you
know what I'm saying, look at me my touring. Uh,
that's our show, man. We appreciate you guys joining us
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each and every week. We'll be back. What's the day
we bet?
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Monday? Monday?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Back Monday. We'll be back Monday for another show. That
next week the Rams come to town.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah, next week the Rams Coate's gonna guys, Nate's gonna
be tickled paint when the Rams come to town. All right, man,
thank you guys for joining us each and every week.
For Kurt, Sir Paul in the back, for Nate on
the phone, for Shannon and Canton. I am Salt Pepper, Poppy.
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This is hanging with the boys. See you guys next time.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
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