September 18, 2025 • 47 mins
Bears quarterback Caleb Williams certainly has the arm talent, but can the Cowboys force him into some of the bad habits that have hampered him? And can they contain him in the pocket? Plus, Chicago likes to throw short, which is tougher to defend with a zone defense. Can Dallas adjust? And is Trevon Diggs being set up to fail? Not intentionally, but …
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You guys get to break down the Bears offense.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
So Jesse, yesterday before the show, we were in the
back and you you felt, you said, you felt really
sorry for a particular person.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
So, like, I'm a football fan at the core right,
and I man, this game has changed my life. And
I'm so thankful to be able to cover this game
and talk about this game and to get paid to
do it.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But I just love the game of football.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
And when you the thing about when you get a
chance to watch film, you know, as you're preparing, as
I'm preparing for this show, my other shows, and I'm
watching different teams, defenses and offenses, you know, I'll come
across players like I come across Fred Warner.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And I don't even care if I'm preparing for that.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Team, I stop and I watch Fred Warner kind of
like the Saw Shake Redemption. If I'm preparing for a
team and I'm let's just say, you know, said teams offense,
and they happen to play the Niners, and I ain't
even watching the Niners.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Fred Warner is there.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
I'm watching a couple I'm watching a couple of clips
of Fred Warner because he's just great at football. He's
just he's one of the best linebackers to ever do it.
I stop and I watch if I'm watching you Know Whoever?
And DJ Moore. DJ Moore is a guy who I'm
just a fan of DJ Moore, And I feel sorry
for guys like DJ Moore because no matter where DJ
(04:14):
Moore goes, it just doesn't lead to success. Like he
was in Carolina, now he's in Chicago. And I hope
that you know, Ben Johnson, I'm bias. That's my teammate
at Carolina. I hope that Ben Johnson can turn that
program around. Yeah yeah, yeah, we're teammates at Carolina.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
But I stop and I watch DJ.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Moore, and I'm just like, damn, he's so good and
he doesn't get enough credit as being one of the
best all around route runners, wide receivers, tough catch getters,
like he's just a dog. He's one of those dudes
I just enjoy watching. I just enjoy watching the man
play football. You know, when Aaron Donald was roaming around,
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I just stopped down and whenever I'm watching if Aaron
Donald's in the clip.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I'm gonna watch it for you know, ten plays, see great,
take that long, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Like just so there's certain players that I go and
I watch and I'm just like, what if Dj Moore?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I want to I want to Dj.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
I don't know if I can't say that now, but
he was he was going through this freecy stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I want to want to be Cooard I did. I
want him to be here, but I just I just
feel bad.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
I just feel bad because you know, you have those
really good players and they'll be in this league and
they'll do great things and they'll never have they'll never
sniff the opportunity because of it, you know of where
their situation is. But DJ Moore, Man, if you guys
are film watchers, just just pop on the tape and
just focusing on DJ Moore for about eight to twelve players.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And you'll just see how good of a player he
really is.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Nate, do you have guys like that that that you
just fans of them?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And most of mine are defensive players. You know, you
give me just great defensive tackles, Like I can watch
Keith Jones his name that I got that right, kid
for the Chiefs Chief Chris Chris Jones. I can watch
them all day. I can watch Sexy Deck all day
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and that dude.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I know y'all hate the Eagles, but every time I
turn on the film, it's defense first, and it's gonna
be number ninety eight who is trying to stop that.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's just because I used to be a defensive.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Tackle and lo and behold my coach got mad at
me and threw me on offense.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But it's it's.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Cool, worked out for you.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I love you, coach. Yeah, but whenever, that's what I got.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Infinitive for some they about like Toes Jesse defensive Tiger.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They about like toes Bro.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Boy got appreciation, Yes, lady, Toes.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Do you like defensive guys because you understand because you
were trying to block those guys or because you're defensive minded?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I was defensive.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Minded and I value those guys overall. These guys are
game changers to me, you know, like Fred Warner is
a game to everybody you name has the ability a
capability to be a game change. Every guy that I
look at and be like, wow, they were, they are
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game changed. I don't look, I don't I don't look
at I don't look at anybody. You don't either what
you're telling you.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Oh yeah, No, I'm not gonna stand off. I'm not
gonna go out of my way and stop down to
watch somebody. Don't really care if there's a select few
I'm like, or they played the Niners. I'm going to
watch that Niners film, like I want to see I
just how did he fare? I just want to see
Fred Warner. I want to see Fred Warner, you know,
fill a gap. I want to see Fred Warner cover
the tight end, up the seam. I want to see
Fred Warner run to the to the sideline of I
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want to see him doing it all, because he.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Does it all.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And you know what the knock was on brother Fred
coming out. Why he wasn't drafted higher?
Speaker 8 (07:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I want to Can he tackle in the NFL? That
was the question. I wonder, can't he really?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Is he going to be physical in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (07:59):
So so you, but you feel sorry for Dj Moore.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Because he don't have a quarterback that can get him
the ball constantly.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He's been that way for a while, Old Dj.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
Is he a threat this weekend?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
You better?
Speaker 7 (08:11):
You better guard slip up. You better, you better guard him.
If you thought Wandelle was a problem. You don't guard
DJ Moore. It hits you in the ad for two
hundred now for real.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And we were so we got another if DJ Moore hits.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
No someone else.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Ready ready.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
We were talking uh in the back Jesse before we
got on the air about Caleb Williams and you said
he was really really good for half of football. Does
he let's talk short term with you know, obviously us
playing him this week?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Does he have potential?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Like if he puts it all together, you're in trouble
right for a whole game, Like he's he has the
tools to be that good, right, Yes, Mobility, arm, everything,
it's just a mental.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Part of you.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
If you line k Williams up like this is and
I'm willing to argue about with anyone about it. If
you line Caleb Williams up and we're just talking about
pure arm talent, Josh Allen, Patrick mahomes Herbert, you can
put Keyler Williams in that conversationally.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
How big is he?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
How big is he? He's probably about six two six
one six two I.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Think when he stands in Yeah, when he stands in
the pocket. He stands like he's six'.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Five he looks. Big, yeah, yeah he stands like he
stands like he can play the. Position.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
Man if we're talking about arm, talent, now that doesn't
mean sometimes you gotta have this right match with this
for it to.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Work arm talent is being able to make all the
throws right.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
On any, platform on any. Platform IF i are you
anybody down with? That i' are you anybody down with?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That arm?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Talent you put him up there in the conversation with
those other.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Dudes i'm sure you'll have to argue with some folks
because some people might take would be And i'll n
nate underscore.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Newtons, Yeah i'll pull.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Up i'll pull up any throw you you know What i'm.
Saying what now does he put it all? Together and
since we're talking about The bears, Offensively Caleb Ben johnson
the head coach and offensive Coordinator flash offensive. Coordinator they're
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trying to break old habits Of Ben, johnson Of Caleb.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Williams caleb Has.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Caleb developed a lot of bad habits in college last
year When matt Eber flus was the head. Coach and
you can look up all the things that was said
from that both. Sides Caleb williams was, saying they didn't
team me how to watch, film they didn't teach me
how to DO, X y AND, z and they didn't you,
Know Matt eberflu's defensive coach on, sure he wasn't too
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involved in what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Offensively so the.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Bad habits, continued which, means you, know not reading your progressions,
properly not not being able to identify defenses, properly getting
rid of the, ball understanding sometimes throwing the ball out
of bounds is the best play for, you and that
you don't have to try to make this superman. Play
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AND i think WHEN i, watched BECAUSE i, WATCHED i
watched THE i watched the first quarter and half of
the second half of The minnesota, game because the first
Quarter Caleb williams looked like the old habits had. Died
BUT i was actually watching that game in, person AND
i remember watching. It and in the second half of that,
Game Brian, flores The minnesota defensive, coordinator he went into
(11:50):
his bag and he Had Caleb williams all jacked, up
and you saw the old habits come, back and it
cost The bears that game THAN i watched The detroit,
game which was fun to watch because IF i wanted,
TO i could do.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
THIS i.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
COULD i could have just left the tape running the whole,
time AND i went from The bears offense and then
when they punted and turning it. OVER i just stayed
to watch The detroit offense because it's the same it's
the same. Thing it's the safe, Thing LIKE i got.
Speaker 9 (12:20):
It.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah, yeah it's just guys who have been doing it
for three four years to the other guys who ain't
quite just.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Figured it out just. Yet AND.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
I will, say you see the progressive steps of getting,
better but you do see him crash, out and that's
the part where they're trying to kind of, like, hey
how can we take a quarter two, quarters extend that
to four? Quarters now, again he got. BETTER i know
(12:52):
the score In detroit didn't look like, it but you
can watch the progression from game one to game.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Two he's getting.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Better.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
NOW i Don't i'm hoping that there isn't a big
jump from game two to get.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Three he doesn't get better this.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Week he doesn't get better this, week but you see
the progression is. There but there's a lot of bad
habits From Caleb william that they have to Break Ben
johnson in that offense has to. Break but when he's
when he's right and, out you, know the next, SEGMENT
i can get more into what they do. Offensively if
you give him a chance to he will cook. You
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he will cook you if you give him a.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Chance and so when we go into that next, segment
just and we're gonna want you to discuss what his
running really does when he do it the right, way
in the correct.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Way, yeah and where do you kind of put him
Armstreak you've already said, it but, athletically, mobility scrambling, ability
how to what kind of guy are we looking at
it compared to some of the other guys in the.
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right back to The bears And Caleb, williams Specifically. Jesse
tell us you talked about his arm strength in the first,
segment tell us.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Mobility and are they gonna run? RPOs are they?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Not and then mobile, wise what kind of guys do
you compare him to in the?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
League what are we gonna see on just remember we
talked about off, air AND i wanted to say this
as you was putting, it but just putting it down so.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
SWEET i just wanted to.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Listen the habit that this kid is trying to break
and the coaches trying to help him started In Pop,
warner where he has always been the best player and
probably always in the top three as an. Athlete so you,
Know chris said off, air you know where he's. Singing
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handle this. Alway they Played arizona in college and he
threw them in and out of games thanks to his.
Arm when you can run around and make great throws
and you've done it On Pop, warner middle, school high,
school you get in college and it's basically the same.
Thing now you get into a structured. Situation first fifteen, plays.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You look, like oh you cold his.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Ice then the second, sixteen coming into the middle of
the second, quarter things started to unravel because you go
back to your old, self AND i think that's what, yes,
Yeah jesse's, saying but go ahead on my front and
breaking it, down.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You, know.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Athletically you look At Kelen williams and you, KNOW i
told you if we just did Arm toddle, ALONE i
put him in the conversation with the best arm throwers
in the.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
League he's in that conversation right like he can he
can do.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
That and athletically he's no like Like lamar's, Here like
we Leave, lemar we Leave, lamar than you we Put
lamar like The Aaron, Donald we just put that over.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
The watch that your.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Film, yeah you just put you Put lamar over, there
and you leave him over, there and you don't let
people join that. Club Than they're just not that, right,
right they. Aren't they aren't that in any, way shape or.
Form but THEN i look AT i would, say IF
i had to put him in a category of, ATHLETICISM
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i put him slightly above what you see from A.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
PATRICK i put him Above Patrick mahony Below Josh.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
ALLEN i they Think Josh allen is a more physical,
runner like when he when he goes to excuse, me
when he goes to.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Scramble But caleb is.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Elusive he, will he will a lot of what he
does is the is the is the is the flip
of the. Coin because he. Will man And nate understands
this as an offensive. LINEMAN i know what the protection,
IS i know what the route. IS i know what
the run players or whatever might have, you but specifically
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when it comes to the, PASSION i know what it.
Is and and this is going to be a three
step drop of a five step. Drop and we're not half,
rolling we're not full, rolling we're not. Bootlegging So i'm
blocking a certain. Way, Well caleb will abandon the pocket
before he has, to and Now nate's, like, wait hold, on,
NO i was blocking him. Outside you don't run. Out
so Now nate's blocking him, outside And caleb takes off outside.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And he off the.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Block So nate gets a hold in or the guy
is off of for a sack because you abandon the,
pocket and the he's, Like i'm supposed to keep the pocket.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Clean i'm blocking to keep the pocket.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Clean but you're so athletically minded that you break containment
and now you run into a. Sack So i've seen
him on a, film you, know spin out of a
sack and spin into a, sack and he just, like
if you just stay right. Here but that's the thing,
is And i've said, this we joke about, it But
i'll be dead. Serious If i'm a, RECEIVER i don't
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give me the white quarterback who ain't, running, no BECAUSE
i don't want he would start thinking about your. ATHLETICISM
i want your sole focused on being THAT i got
to deliver this ball to this man BECAUSE i can't do.
IT i don't need you think and you could do
it as a. Receiver it's just me being selfishly as
a selfish. Diva The Sometimes caleb wants to Be, superman
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AND i think that's even a term that they used with.
Him it's just Be Clark kent UNTIL i need you
to Be. Superman he's the. Opposite he wants to leap,
over you, know a tall building and outrun. Locomotives when he's, like,
hey just throw the ball right. There and that's what
you see That Ben johnson is trying to work with.
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Him AND i think that's where some of the when
we get into like how this offense, works what WHAT
i was watching this WHAT i dubbed it as was
and they please feel free to jump in whatever you.
Want they want to. Go nickel dime, dollar nickel dime.
Dollar that's How Ben johnson's offense. Works nickel dime.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Dollar say that fastickel dome doll.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
So focused on short.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Route the nickel part of this thing, is AND i
tweeted this a couple of days, ago is If Trayvon
diggs is, HEALTHY i know he's dealing with a little
sickness that HE'S i don't know what he actually. Has
he's dealing with some sickness. Burns, WHOA i don't. Know
i'm just, whoa, whoa wow wow on. There But, Trayvon, Ready,
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Stewart Kyrie, elam whoever's going to be in that cornerback,
mix be ready to tackle the. Flats if you're not
ready to tackle the, flats this is not a game for,
you especially If ian Fuz is want to consistently play
that zone like he's been doing the last two.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Weeks one hundred percent, zone ninety percent.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Zone and if you're doing cover, four you're talking about
those dbs lifting, up playing that that that quarters all
the way down the.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Field that's the nickel part of this.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Offense and when you watch The minnesota, game it was
all about the, nickels right just dumping it down to
the back right there in the flat swift or tight
End Comet, loveland just getting the ball out quick the
running back kind of you, know faking the, handoff getting
through the middle of the of the of the, line
turn it, back makeing itself available right over the, center,
right he dumping it down to him tight end and
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dumping it down to.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Them and so that's the.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Nickel part of this, offense and that's one of the
things that they want to kind of get you at
early in the.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
Game so now that works against his own, defense.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That's when it works absolutely.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
Right and then now that the dying part of, this
this this offense for The bears is is when you
look at if you look At caleb spray, chart is
his his spray passing.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Chart you look at the way that that The lions run.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Offense think the hash, right those tickie mark numbers in
the middle of the. Field that's what a lot of
their offense. Happens then the passing game from the hash
marks to five yards outside of the hash, marks and it's.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Basically down the middle of the.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Field so they run these routes where they, run they'll
start in bunch, formations condensed. Splits they're not spreading out,
wide they're condensed. Splits they'll do a lot of twelve
personnel twelve, personnel one, back two tight, ends two wide.
Receivers and then now what they're doing is they're making
you keep your outside leverage and on the release their switch.
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Releasing so they're hoping that you mess up count who
was number one at the snap of the, ball ain't
number one receiver or pass catcher after the snap of the,
ball so they're hoping the communication is. Off they're then
spreading you, out and then now they want to run.
Routes so now BECAUSE i run at you and you
already have outside, leverage you keep outside. LEVERAGE i go
off the field and Now i'm coming back. In you're
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out of the play if you're on the. Outside so
NOW i take those linebackers who you want dropping and
those safeties who you want.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Dropping, FURTHER i have to find those windows in between.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
THERE i run en, ROUTES i run, DIGS i run seam,
ROUTES i run.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Crossers and that's what they.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Do which if your defense has problems with linebacker play and,
communication that's probably not the offense you want to.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Face so this is and then what ends up happening
is so the dying part of this office tight ends
option routes right, there ten, yards twelve yards, RIGHT a
little bit of hook routes right, there, boom eight to ten.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yards that's the dying.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Portion so what happens, Now, well you've been hit me with,
nickels you've been hit me with. Dimes now the safeties are,
like well this is what they've been. DOING i start cheating.
UP i start now looking at that and, say, oh
they're coming in this dig. Row i'm gonna get it.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Here i'm glad our safeties don't let anybody get behind.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Them we won't have that. Problem and here's the dollar.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Part here's the money mart because once you start cheating,
up If Caleb williams.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Has time.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
To that number, fifteen.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That's when it comes over top of your Roma. Dunza.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Right so this is how they want to. Operate they
want to go nickel dime. Dollar they're gonna run the
ball on the, edges suck your.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Swift, confusia boom, bang kind of like last.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Week and why this works so well because In, Detroit
Jared golf was able.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
To read through.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
This this is the part That Caleb williams is having difficulty.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
With it's being patient enough in the.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Pocket don't run because now when you spin out with
the window that was now. Here if you spin out,
right that window's not there. Anymore Now god had to
turn back and you know the scramble. Drill what made
golf so good was his, anticipation his, timing his. Patience
If caleb can get to that, point he'll be a
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really good. Quarterback he's not there right, now and we
just have to be able to frozzle him a little
bit to get him out of.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That and the worst thing about, It nicholas is okay for,
him but is when you start getting to the dimes
and then when you go to the, dollar that's where
he's not willing to wait, right see where those openings,
come and that's where he can throw it. Accuracy but
can he throw an? Anticipation did you did you ever
block for a mobile?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Quarterback? Yeah, Yeah trup was, mobile he just choose not to.
Be was very, Mobile he just choose not to.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Be did you ever block for somebody That troy?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Would that's WHY i tried to Leave. Oklahoma they were running,
that they were running that.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Wisp he didn't want. To he wanted to be known
as a throwing. Quarterback hold on who that little kiss
her right? Here? Right which? One?
Speaker 9 (26:23):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
THAT a, busy busy day on the tours today and
a husband scared to say.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Something he better, be.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
You better, be he better let blow kisses at. Me
he don't want that.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Smoke but did you did you play for with anybody
that would that?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Would now all our quarterbacks they prefer throwing that. Pocket,
yeah they wanted to throw that. Ball and we we
you know jim And jimmy didn't even want to go
down that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Road. Man it's LIKE i need. Throwers even On Rottney
pet he was a. Thrower you.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Know they wanted to throw the, rock so we knew
where the pop it. Was we would rally ask that,
question what do you do with a mobile? Quarterback, well
we send them to another?
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Team how much does or does it at?
Speaker 6 (27:13):
All Ebra flus being obviously the systems changed since he,
Left but knowing the, players is that going to give
him any kind of advantage on defense or? Insight will
they pull him into the offensive meeting rooms and, say,
hey who should how should we attack these?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Guys the only person he better change try to attack
is the. Quarterback i've always believed this when you coaches switching,
this this and, that AND i never bought into. That
we had coaches leaving every, year are coming every. Year
the only person THAT i know that things went, haywire
(27:54):
it's Because troy had a bad. Day they Affected. Troy,
now whether that was blitzing through our line not blocking,
right affect the quarterback and.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You can, say, wow, MAN evi flues do what to?
Do but if they come in here and run the ball
with two hundred, yards what we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Be, Saying, man that e flues man the? Players you
know if he throw the. Three another THING i was Talking.
ISAIAH a lot of guys like to, motion BUT i
get a feeling That Ben johnson it is. Truly it
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ain't that he's trying to see whether it's man a.
Zone he already know What Coach Evira flu's gonna. Do
Coach johnson already. Know so when he's, motioning is it
to get a guy? Open or is he can you
pick on a certain? Guy or, yeah so explain.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That so it's it's for. Him it's a way of.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Life, yes, right.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
You can't turn on the film where he's not shifting
the motion every. Play that's a part of his. Offense
and what it does is it does give the quarterback the,
science right because if he motioned across and you run
ACROSS i know and.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
See that's the that's the new.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Age the new age offensive coordinators have have really been
taking the thinking out of football for the, quarterbacks primarily
because they don't think in high.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
School they don't think in. College, yeah the guy gets
a lot of scrimage in high. School of. College they, go.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
They look at the, sideline and then somewhere from the
sideline tells them where to.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Go with the.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Ball once a college football, game, bru that's all it.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Is they, go.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Everybody look to the sideline and somebody hold up a
card or the.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Right and then they, Go.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Okay so they get to the league and know nobody
do that in the, league and now they're, like, well
what the hell DO i supposed to?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
DO i can't look to the.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
Sideline so what the new, offensive the new age offensive
coordinators have.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Have been doing is. Merging they have been they have
been using this.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Motion they have using these different formations to basically, say
here's what we're going to see WHEN i.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Motion if they do, this the ball should go. Here
just take it.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
THERE i don't need you to start doing other. Stuff
if they do, this balls should go. HERE i don't
need you trying to have to figure this whole thing.
Out so they're they're they're eliminating some of that guest.
Work and so that's. That Ben johnson is a part
of that age group Of i'm gonna do the dirty
work for you and the play calling and in the play,
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design you just play the percentages seventy five percent of
the time when they WHEN i.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Do, this they do. That here's where it's. Opened go.
There that's what They that's what they've been.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Doing and the thing AND i know a lot of
people ain't don't agree with. Me the offensive line is not.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Bad to.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Me it gets, bad little, leaky it gets the tackles
are a little, leaky but it gets baddad as.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The game go.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
On you, know, yeah, YEAH i don't know what it.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Is we'll figure it. Out we'll figure it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Out but they get to, me they just don't seem,
bad especially if coach put enough runs in. There AND
i feel the same way about our offensive. LINE i
mean What i'm beginning to seeing What i'm seeing a
lot in the.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
League y'all ain't only one hurting for.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Tackles it ain't but about seven or eight teams that
got a true two set a pair of, tackles let
alone the.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Backup the league is hurting for.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Tackles mom's, dads you got a bigger out, there get
him some.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
FEET i told the guys in the barber the other,
day because we're talking, about, like you, know.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Offline can't about, IT i, said.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
LISTEN i, said part of the reason why other leagues
like THE usfl On league don't succeed because they can't
find off. Quarterbacks so if you don't have, those you
can't really have a passing offense. Killer BUT i said
the guy in the, BARBERS i, said you guys work
in the people. Business nothing but people walk through that
door every single day in a.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Month in a, month how.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Many six foot, three four, five three hundred and twenty
five people walk through that?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Door one and they're like.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
None i'm, like, like don't give me the fat dude
who's just three hundred, Pounds like he's gonna be, fat
doesn't mean he can play, football, right give me the
six foot, two six foot, three six, SIX i, Said
think about.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It there is.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Thirty two teams in The National Football, league you, know
talking about, tackle, right and there is two on each
team that you kind of got did.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Do the.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Math they're just not three hundred, pounds. Dudes that just
how many times did you walk throughout out now throughout the? Day, Now,
kurt you're in this, building so you walk past six
five all day. Long but just just go, out go
to the, Mall go to the mall and in fire
me a six foot three.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Thrill and usually if you, do they are playing in
professional sports somewhere.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
And you know what's so amazing, that.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Or they're a bouncer of the.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Club we keep running into this. Problem me and my
uncle is a lot of these are one parent homes
where you do have this spit kid and mama direct
him towards. Basketball, bruh your six foot, three six foot, four,
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baby it's three hundred. Pounds he's not gonna make it
in THE. Nba but they bigger than everybody, else and
in high school they. Dominate then all of a sudden
they have no. Offers well what? Happened, well, men when
coach came to you two years ago and SAY i
could use, it he'll, bite he could have had a.
Career mama direct him the other.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Way free school, Freak come on and he'll take care of.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You, yeah go to school with him like them fight,
parents now go to school with, him drop him off to.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
His classes for.
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This question From?
Speaker 8 (37:21):
Diggs are clowning from the?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Panel?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Diggs?
Speaker 8 (37:23):
Diggs, well which Is? Trevon trevon not the new.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
FATHER i got something in. Coming, yeah eighty seven kids
leave it in.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Married hard to you.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Know, Hey, Okay so if you look at back At diggs's,
career he went To alabama's a wide, Receiver saban primarily
played man defense when they switched him to. Cornerback he came.
Here he's been playing man most of his time here
with The. Cowboys now he's being asked to play in
his own. Defense on top of, that maybe they hurried
(38:00):
him back a little. Bit SO i kind of wonder
is Like digg's being set up to fail basically given
what they're asking him to.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Do, NOW i want to, say, so what's a nice
way to say? Yes and.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
This isn't, intentional, Right this isn't an intentional, like.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Hey it number, seven we're gonna set you up to. Fail.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
Right this is a situation where you brought in a
defensive coordinator who historically has had a specific style defense
that he plays and hadn't changed it up anywhere that he's.
Went and so what you hope is is that the
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athlete is good enough to adapt to the new. Defense
here's WHERE i think the coaches are going. Wrong you
gotta stop scheming up your, system to scheming up your
scheming up your, system.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
The players playing your, systems the players.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
Playing your, system and you not playing to the players.
Strength because it is clear right, now because it ain't just.
Digs you turn on the, film you, go did you
not watch the film With Donald?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Wilson shouldn't be playing in?
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Space AND I i've said this on this, show on
the mini shows. BEFORE i think sometimes we give or
we think AS nfl coaches as being the smartest people
in the.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Room, sometimes.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
But we neglect the fact that they are also the
most stubborn people in the.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Room because that's a common theme across the. League this
is my, system is how we'll run, it and it's.
Flawed was Dan quinn pretty? Good he was pretty good about?
Speaker 11 (39:47):
It?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Right he was pretty good about?
Speaker 7 (39:49):
It stood Up michael became WHAT i gotta do something
Different and we had the same situation happened a couple
of years. Ago remember we the big free agent off,
sign free, off the freeedge. Sign we Brought Brandon carr
in Here Brandon.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Carr was a zone.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
Corner he was the Opposite Brandon carr was his own,
corner and he asked him to play. Man and that's
when he had the game where he was, like somebody
helped me When Mega tron.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Was, running, running, running all all all.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Over the all over the. Place so and who was
the defensive coordator at that, Time Chris marinelle was it Before?
Marinelle it might have been.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Married it is his own.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
Guy so you gotta you gotta be able to you
got to be able to. Adapt and SO i don't
think it's a purposefully Setting trayvon digs.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Up, yeah but it's. Selling it's Setting trayvon digs.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
Up it's setting a lot of these guys up to
do things that they aren't comfortable. Doing and you, KNOW
i don't AND i, DON'T i. WON'T i don't know
if he came back too. Early but there's a difference
between being cleared and healthy to play and being physically
(41:04):
mentally ready to, play because you can be, cleared but
you don't necessarily trust yourself to do what you once.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Did Or.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
I've said this as, well this game takes away from
you far more than you're willing to give so in
his mind like, Yeah i'm aa turn and run and
the body, go, yeah Sure i'm.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Running we don't.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
Run we just tiny gonna do it what we do
as far as we used to do.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
It and that's what. Happens every time you get cut.
Open you get cut.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Open they fix the problem when they get in, there
but it doesn't make you.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Better it's.
Speaker 7 (41:36):
Impossible it's impossible to break something a, ligament a, bone
and then all of a sudden they repair. It it's not, New,
yeah it's, used it's, worn so you don't come.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Back i'm stronger THAN i ever. Been oh you.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
Haven't he played twenty seven snaps forty three percent in
the first game and sixty one snaps ninety one percent
in a second, game so you can. Leap for.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
The bottom line, is if you have someone, better you
put them. In if you, don't you gotta make adjustments
as a. Coach that's Why i'm telling People i'm not
gonna Kill, donald you, know for not uh for his
lack of area. Range but the only, thing and you
(42:27):
hear me say About, donald is you least got to
line up and. Try now you got to line up
if his three receivers on this, side and you playing
zone is one on this. Side you don't stay in
the middle of the. Field you purpose to get your
behind over to that three by that three. Side you
got to because you don't have the. Speed it's about
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knowing who you are and what you can. Do i'm, like, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Disguise, it, right disguise you don't have that type of.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Speed so now if coach put him in that position and,
again now you're gonna see a different. Night Now i'm be,
like come, On eva, flus you did this. Again, no you,
didn't you know first? Time give me try for.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Me i'm a.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Coach that's how Coach johnson. Coach that's how Coach andrew.
Coach this is the Coaches i'm dealing. With hey, man
try What i'm asking you and then, okay, NOW i
hate to say, this you can't do.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
IT i know you want to stay on the, field
but not in this.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
Situation all, right two questions for before we get out of.
Here get, yeah two quick questions before we get out of.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Here but do you agree with? That jest?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Sir the first time as a, player you have to,
try you, know and you, SEE i can't do. It
we either change the defense to help me out OR
i have to leave the, field AND i ain't leaving the.
Field So i'm gonna be talking to you all.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Week. Man we gotta.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Change what can we expect to see out Of clowny this?
Week significant playing, time some, playtime situational.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
If it's fifteen plays a, less let's all pass.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Rush what would you? Do how do you play? Them
where do you play? Them who comes out LIKE i don't?
Speaker 5 (44:18):
Care my thig is that big?
Speaker 7 (44:20):
One and here's here's an even here's an even crazier
part about. IT i don't know if HE i don't
know if he's gonna play not this. Week you want
him to because you signed him and you want to
see him on the. Field but, again no off season, none, zero, none,
none no contact Nothing and even this. Week they did
(44:43):
a walk through yesterday on A, wednesday AND i get their.
Hair they went to overtime on A sundays and you,
know more playing, Time no da da.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
DAH i get.
Speaker 7 (44:50):
It so coach are trying to take care of legs and,
bodies and so they'll walk through on A. Wednesday they're
doing shells.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Today m. Hm so that's one one. Practice where is
he getting ready to ramp up to go into a?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Game? Right? Like where is?
Speaker 3 (45:08):
It where is the? RUSHES i DON'T i don't know
if this is even a week that you might put
him out? There keep?
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Him and he is a mercenary ten, Rushes, okay he's a.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Mercenary does he get three old?
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Mercer does he get paid this? Week no matter? What,
yes active roster.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Sign so there's a sign that doted the line he
got this.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
Week they're gonna want him to.
Speaker 8 (45:34):
Play can you set another defensive? End because you, MEAN
i get much out of, him so you need that
the other guy to you have to subtract somewhere.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Else if he's on the active, roster he will.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Play and if you don't feel like he's, ready you
don't have to put him on active.
Speaker 8 (45:49):
Roster, yeah but do you Sit James houston or do
you have to go somewhere?
Speaker 7 (45:54):
Now Somewhere, honestly you're gonna go somewhere, else not even
in that. Group you're gonna go somewhere. Else who got
more wide? Receivers you got how many wide receivers y'all
got over?
Speaker 1 (46:02):
There?
Speaker 7 (46:03):
Yeah we might not be bringing defensive, end, right because
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You guys get to break down the Bears offense.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
So Jesse, yesterday before the show, we were in the
back and you you felt, you said, you felt really
sorry for a particular person.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
So, like, I'm a football fan at the core right,
and I man, this game has changed my life. And
I'm so thankful to be able to cover this game
and talk about this game and to get paid to
do it.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But I just love the game of football.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
And when you the thing about when you get a
chance to watch film, you know, as you're preparing, as
I'm preparing for this show, my other shows, and I'm
watching different teams, defenses and offenses, you know, I'll come
across players like I come across Fred Warner.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And I don't even care if I'm preparing for that.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Team, I stop and I watch Fred Warner kind of
like the Saw Shake Redemption. If I'm preparing for a
team and I'm let's just say, you know, said teams offense,
and they happen to play the Niners, and I ain't
even watching the Niners.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Fred Warner is there.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
I'm watching a couple I'm watching a couple of clips
of Fred Warner because he's just great at football. He's
just he's one of the best linebackers to ever do it.
I stop and I watch if I'm watching you Know Whoever?
And DJ Moore. DJ Moore is a guy who I'm
just a fan of DJ Moore, And I feel sorry
for guys like DJ Moore because no matter where DJ
(04:14):
Moore goes, it just doesn't lead to success. Like he
was in Carolina, now he's in Chicago. And I hope
that you know, Ben Johnson, I'm bias. That's my teammate
at Carolina. I hope that Ben Johnson can turn that
program around. Yeah yeah, yeah, we're teammates at Carolina.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
But I stop and I watch DJ.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Moore, and I'm just like, damn, he's so good and
he doesn't get enough credit as being one of the
best all around route runners, wide receivers, tough catch getters,
like he's just a dog. He's one of those dudes
I just enjoy watching. I just enjoy watching the man
play football. You know, when Aaron Donald was roaming around,
(04:54):
I just stopped down and whenever I'm watching if Aaron
Donald's in the clip.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I'm gonna watch it for you know, ten plays, see great,
take that long, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Like just so there's certain players that I go and
I watch and I'm just like, what if Dj Moore?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I want to I want to Dj.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
I don't know if I can't say that now, but
he was he was going through this freecy stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I want to want to be Cooard I did. I
want him to be here, but I just I just
feel bad.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
I just feel bad because you know, you have those
really good players and they'll be in this league and
they'll do great things and they'll never have they'll never
sniff the opportunity because of it, you know of where
their situation is. But DJ Moore, Man, if you guys
are film watchers, just just pop on the tape and
just focusing on DJ Moore for about eight to twelve players.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And you'll just see how good of a player he
really is.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Nate, do you have guys like that that that you
just fans of them?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And most of mine are defensive players. You know, you
give me just great defensive tackles, Like I can watch
Keith Jones his name that I got that right, kid
for the Chiefs Chief Chris Chris Jones. I can watch
them all day. I can watch Sexy Deck all day
(06:07):
and that dude.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I know y'all hate the Eagles, but every time I
turn on the film, it's defense first, and it's gonna
be number ninety eight who is trying to stop that.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's just because I used to be a defensive.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Tackle and lo and behold my coach got mad at
me and threw me on offense.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But it's it's.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Cool, worked out for you.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I love you, coach. Yeah, but whenever, that's what I got.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Infinitive for some they about like Toes Jesse defensive Tiger.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They about like toes Bro.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Boy got appreciation, Yes, lady, Toes.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Do you like defensive guys because you understand because you
were trying to block those guys or because you're defensive minded?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I was defensive.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Minded and I value those guys overall. These guys are
game changers to me, you know, like Fred Warner is
a game to everybody you name has the ability a
capability to be a game change. Every guy that I
look at and be like, wow, they were, they are
(07:13):
game changed. I don't look, I don't I don't look
at I don't look at anybody. You don't either what
you're telling you.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Oh yeah, No, I'm not gonna stand off. I'm not
gonna go out of my way and stop down to
watch somebody. Don't really care if there's a select few
I'm like, or they played the Niners. I'm going to
watch that Niners film, like I want to see I
just how did he fare? I just want to see
Fred Warner. I want to see Fred Warner, you know,
fill a gap. I want to see Fred Warner cover
the tight end, up the seam. I want to see
Fred Warner run to the to the sideline of I
(07:39):
want to see him doing it all, because he.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Does it all.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And you know what the knock was on brother Fred
coming out. Why he wasn't drafted higher?
Speaker 8 (07:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I want to Can he tackle in the NFL? That
was the question. I wonder, can't he really?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Is he going to be physical in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (07:59):
So so you, but you feel sorry for Dj Moore.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Because he don't have a quarterback that can get him
the ball constantly.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He's been that way for a while, Old Dj.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
Is he a threat this weekend?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
You better?
Speaker 7 (08:11):
You better guard slip up. You better, you better guard him.
If you thought Wandelle was a problem. You don't guard
DJ Moore. It hits you in the ad for two
hundred now for real.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And we were so we got another if DJ Moore hits.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
No someone else.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Ready ready.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
We were talking uh in the back Jesse before we
got on the air about Caleb Williams and you said
he was really really good for half of football. Does
he let's talk short term with you know, obviously us
playing him this week?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Does he have potential?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Like if he puts it all together, you're in trouble
right for a whole game, Like he's he has the
tools to be that good, right, Yes, Mobility, arm, everything,
it's just a mental.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Part of you.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
If you line k Williams up like this is and
I'm willing to argue about with anyone about it. If
you line Caleb Williams up and we're just talking about
pure arm talent, Josh Allen, Patrick mahomes Herbert, you can
put Keyler Williams in that conversationally.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
How big is he?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
How big is he? He's probably about six two six
one six two I.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Think when he stands in Yeah, when he stands in
the pocket. He stands like he's six'.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Five he looks. Big, yeah, yeah he stands like he
stands like he can play the. Position.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
Man if we're talking about arm, talent, now that doesn't
mean sometimes you gotta have this right match with this
for it to.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Work arm talent is being able to make all the
throws right.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
On any, platform on any. Platform IF i are you
anybody down with? That i' are you anybody down with?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That arm?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Talent you put him up there in the conversation with
those other.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Dudes i'm sure you'll have to argue with some folks
because some people might take would be And i'll n
nate underscore.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Newtons, Yeah i'll pull.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Up i'll pull up any throw you you know What i'm.
Saying what now does he put it all? Together and
since we're talking about The bears, Offensively Caleb Ben johnson
the head coach and offensive Coordinator flash offensive. Coordinator they're
(10:31):
trying to break old habits Of Ben, johnson Of Caleb.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Williams caleb Has.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Caleb developed a lot of bad habits in college last
year When matt Eber flus was the head. Coach and
you can look up all the things that was said
from that both. Sides Caleb williams was, saying they didn't
team me how to watch, film they didn't teach me
how to DO, X y AND, z and they didn't you,
Know Matt eberflu's defensive coach on, sure he wasn't too
(11:00):
involved in what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Offensively so the.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Bad habits, continued which, means you, know not reading your progressions,
properly not not being able to identify defenses, properly getting
rid of the, ball understanding sometimes throwing the ball out
of bounds is the best play for, you and that
you don't have to try to make this superman. Play
(11:25):
AND i think WHEN i, watched BECAUSE i, WATCHED i
watched THE i watched the first quarter and half of
the second half of The minnesota, game because the first
Quarter Caleb williams looked like the old habits had. Died
BUT i was actually watching that game in, person AND
i remember watching. It and in the second half of that,
Game Brian, flores The minnesota defensive, coordinator he went into
(11:50):
his bag and he Had Caleb williams all jacked, up
and you saw the old habits come, back and it
cost The bears that game THAN i watched The detroit,
game which was fun to watch because IF i wanted,
TO i could do.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
THIS i.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
COULD i could have just left the tape running the whole,
time AND i went from The bears offense and then
when they punted and turning it. OVER i just stayed
to watch The detroit offense because it's the same it's
the same. Thing it's the safe, Thing LIKE i got.
Speaker 9 (12:20):
It.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah, yeah it's just guys who have been doing it
for three four years to the other guys who ain't
quite just.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Figured it out just. Yet AND.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
I will, say you see the progressive steps of getting,
better but you do see him crash, out and that's
the part where they're trying to kind of, like, hey
how can we take a quarter two, quarters extend that
to four? Quarters now, again he got. BETTER i know
(12:52):
the score In detroit didn't look like, it but you
can watch the progression from game one to game.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Two he's getting.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Better.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
NOW i Don't i'm hoping that there isn't a big
jump from game two to get.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Three he doesn't get better this.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Week he doesn't get better this, week but you see
the progression is. There but there's a lot of bad
habits From Caleb william that they have to Break Ben
johnson in that offense has to. Break but when he's
when he's right and, out you, know the next, SEGMENT
i can get more into what they do. Offensively if
you give him a chance to he will cook. You
(13:27):
he will cook you if you give him a.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Chance and so when we go into that next, segment
just and we're gonna want you to discuss what his
running really does when he do it the right, way
in the correct.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Way, yeah and where do you kind of put him
Armstreak you've already said, it but, athletically, mobility scrambling, ability
how to what kind of guy are we looking at
it compared to some of the other guys in the.
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tell us you talked about his arm strength in the first,
segment tell us.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Mobility and are they gonna run? RPOs are they?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Not and then mobile, wise what kind of guys do
you compare him to in the?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
League what are we gonna see on just remember we
talked about off, air AND i wanted to say this
as you was putting, it but just putting it down so.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
SWEET i just wanted to.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Listen the habit that this kid is trying to break
and the coaches trying to help him started In Pop,
warner where he has always been the best player and
probably always in the top three as an. Athlete so you,
Know chris said off, air you know where he's. Singing
(16:59):
handle this. Alway they Played arizona in college and he
threw them in and out of games thanks to his.
Arm when you can run around and make great throws
and you've done it On Pop, warner middle, school high,
school you get in college and it's basically the same.
Thing now you get into a structured. Situation first fifteen, plays.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You look, like oh you cold his.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Ice then the second, sixteen coming into the middle of
the second, quarter things started to unravel because you go
back to your old, self AND i think that's what, yes,
Yeah jesse's, saying but go ahead on my front and
breaking it, down.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You, know.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Athletically you look At Kelen williams and you, KNOW i
told you if we just did Arm toddle, ALONE i
put him in the conversation with the best arm throwers
in the.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
League he's in that conversation right like he can he
can do.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
That and athletically he's no like Like lamar's, Here like
we Leave, lemar we Leave, lamar than you we Put
lamar like The Aaron, Donald we just put that over.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
The watch that your.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Film, yeah you just put you Put lamar over, there
and you leave him over, there and you don't let
people join that. Club Than they're just not that, right,
right they. Aren't they aren't that in any, way shape or.
Form but THEN i look AT i would, say IF
i had to put him in a category of, ATHLETICISM
(18:20):
i put him slightly above what you see from A.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
PATRICK i put him Above Patrick mahony Below Josh.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
ALLEN i they Think Josh allen is a more physical,
runner like when he when he goes to excuse, me
when he goes to.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Scramble But caleb is.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Elusive he, will he will a lot of what he
does is the is the is the is the flip
of the. Coin because he. Will man And nate understands
this as an offensive. LINEMAN i know what the protection,
IS i know what the route. IS i know what
the run players or whatever might have, you but specifically
(18:57):
when it comes to the, PASSION i know what it.
Is and and this is going to be a three
step drop of a five step. Drop and we're not half,
rolling we're not full, rolling we're not. Bootlegging So i'm
blocking a certain. Way, Well caleb will abandon the pocket
before he has, to and Now nate's, like, wait hold, on,
NO i was blocking him. Outside you don't run. Out
so Now nate's blocking him, outside And caleb takes off outside.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And he off the.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Block So nate gets a hold in or the guy
is off of for a sack because you abandon the,
pocket and the he's, Like i'm supposed to keep the pocket.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Clean i'm blocking to keep the pocket.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Clean but you're so athletically minded that you break containment
and now you run into a. Sack So i've seen
him on a, film you, know spin out of a
sack and spin into a, sack and he just, like
if you just stay right. Here but that's the thing,
is And i've said, this we joke about, it But
i'll be dead. Serious If i'm a, RECEIVER i don't
(19:54):
give me the white quarterback who ain't, running, no BECAUSE
i don't want he would start thinking about your. ATHLETICISM
i want your sole focused on being THAT i got
to deliver this ball to this man BECAUSE i can't do.
IT i don't need you think and you could do
it as a. Receiver it's just me being selfishly as
a selfish. Diva The Sometimes caleb wants to Be, superman
(20:15):
AND i think that's even a term that they used with.
Him it's just Be Clark kent UNTIL i need you
to Be. Superman he's the. Opposite he wants to leap,
over you, know a tall building and outrun. Locomotives when he's, like,
hey just throw the ball right. There and that's what
you see That Ben johnson is trying to work with.
(20:35):
Him AND i think that's where some of the when
we get into like how this offense, works what WHAT
i was watching this WHAT i dubbed it as was
and they please feel free to jump in whatever you.
Want they want to. Go nickel dime, dollar nickel dime.
Dollar that's How Ben johnson's offense. Works nickel dime.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Dollar say that fastickel dome doll.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
So focused on short.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Route the nickel part of this thing, is AND i
tweeted this a couple of days, ago is If Trayvon
diggs is, HEALTHY i know he's dealing with a little
sickness that HE'S i don't know what he actually. Has
he's dealing with some sickness. Burns, WHOA i don't. Know
i'm just, whoa, whoa wow wow on. There But, Trayvon, Ready,
(21:30):
Stewart Kyrie, elam whoever's going to be in that cornerback,
mix be ready to tackle the. Flats if you're not
ready to tackle the, flats this is not a game for,
you especially If ian Fuz is want to consistently play
that zone like he's been doing the last two.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Weeks one hundred percent, zone ninety percent.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Zone and if you're doing cover, four you're talking about
those dbs lifting, up playing that that that quarters all
the way down the.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Field that's the nickel part of this.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Offense and when you watch The minnesota, game it was
all about the, nickels right just dumping it down to
the back right there in the flat swift or tight
End Comet, loveland just getting the ball out quick the
running back kind of you, know faking the, handoff getting
through the middle of the of the of the, line
turn it, back makeing itself available right over the, center,
right he dumping it down to him tight end and
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dumping it down to.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Them and so that's the.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Nickel part of this, offense and that's one of the
things that they want to kind of get you at
early in the.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
Game so now that works against his own, defense.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That's when it works absolutely.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
Right and then now that the dying part of, this
this this offense for The bears is is when you
look at if you look At caleb spray, chart is
his his spray passing.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Chart you look at the way that that The lions run.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Offense think the hash, right those tickie mark numbers in
the middle of the. Field that's what a lot of
their offense. Happens then the passing game from the hash
marks to five yards outside of the hash, marks and it's.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Basically down the middle of the.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Field so they run these routes where they, run they'll
start in bunch, formations condensed. Splits they're not spreading out,
wide they're condensed. Splits they'll do a lot of twelve
personnel twelve, personnel one, back two tight, ends two wide.
Receivers and then now what they're doing is they're making
you keep your outside leverage and on the release their switch.
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Releasing so they're hoping that you mess up count who
was number one at the snap of the, ball ain't
number one receiver or pass catcher after the snap of the,
ball so they're hoping the communication is. Off they're then
spreading you, out and then now they want to run.
Routes so now BECAUSE i run at you and you
already have outside, leverage you keep outside. LEVERAGE i go
off the field and Now i'm coming back. In you're
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out of the play if you're on the. Outside so
NOW i take those linebackers who you want dropping and
those safeties who you want.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Dropping, FURTHER i have to find those windows in between.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
THERE i run en, ROUTES i run, DIGS i run seam,
ROUTES i run.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Crossers and that's what they.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Do which if your defense has problems with linebacker play and,
communication that's probably not the offense you want to.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Face so this is and then what ends up happening
is so the dying part of this office tight ends
option routes right, there ten, yards twelve yards, RIGHT a
little bit of hook routes right, there, boom eight to ten.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yards that's the dying.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Portion so what happens, Now, well you've been hit me with,
nickels you've been hit me with. Dimes now the safeties are,
like well this is what they've been. DOING i start cheating.
UP i start now looking at that and, say, oh
they're coming in this dig. Row i'm gonna get it.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Here i'm glad our safeties don't let anybody get behind.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Them we won't have that. Problem and here's the dollar.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Part here's the money mart because once you start cheating,
up If Caleb williams.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Has time.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
To that number, fifteen.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That's when it comes over top of your Roma. Dunza.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Right so this is how they want to. Operate they
want to go nickel dime. Dollar they're gonna run the
ball on the, edges suck your.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Swift, confusia boom, bang kind of like last.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Week and why this works so well because In, Detroit
Jared golf was able.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
To read through.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
This this is the part That Caleb williams is having difficulty.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
With it's being patient enough in the.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Pocket don't run because now when you spin out with
the window that was now. Here if you spin out,
right that window's not there. Anymore Now god had to
turn back and you know the scramble. Drill what made
golf so good was his, anticipation his, timing his. Patience
If caleb can get to that, point he'll be a
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really good. Quarterback he's not there right, now and we
just have to be able to frozzle him a little
bit to get him out of.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That and the worst thing about, It nicholas is okay for,
him but is when you start getting to the dimes
and then when you go to the, dollar that's where
he's not willing to wait, right see where those openings,
come and that's where he can throw it. Accuracy but
can he throw an? Anticipation did you did you ever
block for a mobile?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Quarterback? Yeah, Yeah trup was, mobile he just choose not to.
Be was very, Mobile he just choose not to.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Be did you ever block for somebody That troy?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Would that's WHY i tried to Leave. Oklahoma they were running,
that they were running that.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Wisp he didn't want. To he wanted to be known
as a throwing. Quarterback hold on who that little kiss
her right? Here? Right which? One?
Speaker 9 (26:23):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
THAT a, busy busy day on the tours today and
a husband scared to say.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Something he better, be.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
You better, be he better let blow kisses at. Me
he don't want that.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Smoke but did you did you play for with anybody
that would that?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Would now all our quarterbacks they prefer throwing that. Pocket,
yeah they wanted to throw that. Ball and we we
you know jim And jimmy didn't even want to go
down that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Road. Man it's LIKE i need. Throwers even On Rottney
pet he was a. Thrower you.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Know they wanted to throw the, rock so we knew
where the pop it. Was we would rally ask that,
question what do you do with a mobile? Quarterback, well
we send them to another?
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Team how much does or does it at?
Speaker 6 (27:13):
All Ebra flus being obviously the systems changed since he,
Left but knowing the, players is that going to give
him any kind of advantage on defense or? Insight will
they pull him into the offensive meeting rooms and, say,
hey who should how should we attack these?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Guys the only person he better change try to attack
is the. Quarterback i've always believed this when you coaches switching,
this this and, that AND i never bought into. That
we had coaches leaving every, year are coming every. Year
the only person THAT i know that things went, haywire
(27:54):
it's Because troy had a bad. Day they Affected. Troy,
now whether that was blitzing through our line not blocking,
right affect the quarterback and.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You can, say, wow, MAN evi flues do what to?
Do but if they come in here and run the ball
with two hundred, yards what we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Be, Saying, man that e flues man the? Players you
know if he throw the. Three another THING i was Talking.
ISAIAH a lot of guys like to, motion BUT i
get a feeling That Ben johnson it is. Truly it
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ain't that he's trying to see whether it's man a.
Zone he already know What Coach Evira flu's gonna. Do
Coach johnson already. Know so when he's, motioning is it
to get a guy? Open or is he can you
pick on a certain? Guy or, yeah so explain.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That so it's it's for. Him it's a way of.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Life, yes, right.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
You can't turn on the film where he's not shifting
the motion every. Play that's a part of his. Offense
and what it does is it does give the quarterback the,
science right because if he motioned across and you run
ACROSS i know and.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
See that's the that's the new.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Age the new age offensive coordinators have have really been
taking the thinking out of football for the, quarterbacks primarily
because they don't think in high.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
School they don't think in. College, yeah the guy gets
a lot of scrimage in high. School of. College they, go.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
They look at the, sideline and then somewhere from the
sideline tells them where to.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Go with the.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Ball once a college football, game, bru that's all it.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Is they, go.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Everybody look to the sideline and somebody hold up a
card or the.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Right and then they, Go.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Okay so they get to the league and know nobody
do that in the, league and now they're, like, well
what the hell DO i supposed to?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
DO i can't look to the.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
Sideline so what the new, offensive the new age offensive
coordinators have.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Have been doing is. Merging they have been they have
been using this.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Motion they have using these different formations to basically, say
here's what we're going to see WHEN i.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Motion if they do, this the ball should go. Here
just take it.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
THERE i don't need you to start doing other. Stuff
if they do, this balls should go. HERE i don't
need you trying to have to figure this whole thing.
Out so they're they're they're eliminating some of that guest.
Work and so that's. That Ben johnson is a part
of that age group Of i'm gonna do the dirty
work for you and the play calling and in the play,
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design you just play the percentages seventy five percent of
the time when they WHEN i.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Do, this they do. That here's where it's. Opened go.
There that's what They that's what they've been.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Doing and the thing AND i know a lot of
people ain't don't agree with. Me the offensive line is not.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Bad to.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Me it gets, bad little, leaky it gets the tackles
are a little, leaky but it gets baddad as.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The game go.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
On you, know, yeah, YEAH i don't know what it.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Is we'll figure it. Out we'll figure it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Out but they get to, me they just don't seem,
bad especially if coach put enough runs in. There AND
i feel the same way about our offensive. LINE i
mean What i'm beginning to seeing What i'm seeing a
lot in the.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
League y'all ain't only one hurting for.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Tackles it ain't but about seven or eight teams that
got a true two set a pair of, tackles let
alone the.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Backup the league is hurting for.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Tackles mom's, dads you got a bigger out, there get
him some.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
FEET i told the guys in the barber the other,
day because we're talking, about, like you, know.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Offline can't about, IT i, said.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
LISTEN i, said part of the reason why other leagues
like THE usfl On league don't succeed because they can't
find off. Quarterbacks so if you don't have, those you
can't really have a passing offense. Killer BUT i said
the guy in the, BARBERS i, said you guys work
in the people. Business nothing but people walk through that
door every single day in a.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Month in a, month how.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Many six foot, three four, five three hundred and twenty
five people walk through that?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Door one and they're like.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
None i'm, like, like don't give me the fat dude
who's just three hundred, Pounds like he's gonna be, fat
doesn't mean he can play, football, right give me the
six foot, two six foot, three six, SIX i, Said
think about.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It there is.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Thirty two teams in The National Football, league you, know
talking about, tackle, right and there is two on each
team that you kind of got did.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Do the.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Math they're just not three hundred, pounds. Dudes that just
how many times did you walk throughout out now throughout the? Day, Now,
kurt you're in this, building so you walk past six
five all day. Long but just just go, out go
to the, Mall go to the mall and in fire
me a six foot three.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Thrill and usually if you, do they are playing in
professional sports somewhere.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
And you know what's so amazing, that.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Or they're a bouncer of the.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Club we keep running into this. Problem me and my
uncle is a lot of these are one parent homes
where you do have this spit kid and mama direct
him towards. Basketball, bruh your six foot, three six foot, four,
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baby it's three hundred. Pounds he's not gonna make it
in THE. Nba but they bigger than everybody, else and
in high school they. Dominate then all of a sudden
they have no. Offers well what? Happened, well, men when
coach came to you two years ago and SAY i
could use, it he'll, bite he could have had a.
Career mama direct him the other.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Way free school, Freak come on and he'll take care of.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You, yeah go to school with him like them fight,
parents now go to school with, him drop him off to.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
His classes for.
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This question From?
Speaker 8 (37:21):
Diggs are clowning from the?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Panel?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Diggs?
Speaker 8 (37:23):
Diggs, well which Is? Trevon trevon not the new.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
FATHER i got something in. Coming, yeah eighty seven kids
leave it in.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Married hard to you.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Know, Hey, Okay so if you look at back At diggs's,
career he went To alabama's a wide, Receiver saban primarily
played man defense when they switched him to. Cornerback he came.
Here he's been playing man most of his time here
with The. Cowboys now he's being asked to play in
his own. Defense on top of, that maybe they hurried
(38:00):
him back a little. Bit SO i kind of wonder
is Like digg's being set up to fail basically given
what they're asking him to.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Do, NOW i want to, say, so what's a nice
way to say? Yes and.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
This isn't, intentional, Right this isn't an intentional, like.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Hey it number, seven we're gonna set you up to. Fail.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
Right this is a situation where you brought in a
defensive coordinator who historically has had a specific style defense
that he plays and hadn't changed it up anywhere that he's.
Went and so what you hope is is that the
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athlete is good enough to adapt to the new. Defense
here's WHERE i think the coaches are going. Wrong you
gotta stop scheming up your, system to scheming up your
scheming up your, system.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
The players playing your, systems the players.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
Playing your, system and you not playing to the players.
Strength because it is clear right, now because it ain't just.
Digs you turn on the, film you, go did you
not watch the film With Donald?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Wilson shouldn't be playing in?
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Space AND I i've said this on this, show on
the mini shows. BEFORE i think sometimes we give or
we think AS nfl coaches as being the smartest people
in the.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Room, sometimes.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
But we neglect the fact that they are also the
most stubborn people in the.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Room because that's a common theme across the. League this
is my, system is how we'll run, it and it's.
Flawed was Dan quinn pretty? Good he was pretty good about?
Speaker 11 (39:47):
It?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Right he was pretty good about?
Speaker 7 (39:49):
It stood Up michael became WHAT i gotta do something
Different and we had the same situation happened a couple
of years. Ago remember we the big free agent off,
sign free, off the freeedge. Sign we Brought Brandon carr
in Here Brandon.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Carr was a zone.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
Corner he was the Opposite Brandon carr was his own,
corner and he asked him to play. Man and that's
when he had the game where he was, like somebody
helped me When Mega tron.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Was, running, running, running all all all.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Over the all over the. Place so and who was
the defensive coordator at that, Time Chris marinelle was it Before?
Marinelle it might have been.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Married it is his own.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
Guy so you gotta you gotta be able to you
got to be able to. Adapt and SO i don't
think it's a purposefully Setting trayvon digs.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Up, yeah but it's. Selling it's Setting trayvon digs.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
Up it's setting a lot of these guys up to
do things that they aren't comfortable. Doing and you, KNOW
i don't AND i, DON'T i. WON'T i don't know
if he came back too. Early but there's a difference
between being cleared and healthy to play and being physically
(41:04):
mentally ready to, play because you can be, cleared but
you don't necessarily trust yourself to do what you once.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Did Or.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
I've said this as, well this game takes away from
you far more than you're willing to give so in
his mind like, Yeah i'm aa turn and run and
the body, go, yeah Sure i'm.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Running we don't.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
Run we just tiny gonna do it what we do
as far as we used to do.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
It and that's what. Happens every time you get cut.
Open you get cut.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Open they fix the problem when they get in, there
but it doesn't make you.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Better it's.
Speaker 7 (41:36):
Impossible it's impossible to break something a, ligament a, bone
and then all of a sudden they repair. It it's not, New,
yeah it's, used it's, worn so you don't come.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Back i'm stronger THAN i ever. Been oh you.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
Haven't he played twenty seven snaps forty three percent in
the first game and sixty one snaps ninety one percent
in a second, game so you can. Leap for.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
The bottom line, is if you have someone, better you
put them. In if you, don't you gotta make adjustments
as a. Coach that's Why i'm telling People i'm not
gonna Kill, donald you, know for not uh for his
lack of area. Range but the only, thing and you
(42:27):
hear me say About, donald is you least got to
line up and. Try now you got to line up
if his three receivers on this, side and you playing
zone is one on this. Side you don't stay in
the middle of the. Field you purpose to get your
behind over to that three by that three. Side you
got to because you don't have the. Speed it's about
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knowing who you are and what you can. Do i'm, like, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Disguise, it, right disguise you don't have that type of.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Speed so now if coach put him in that position and,
again now you're gonna see a different. Night Now i'm be,
like come, On eva, flus you did this. Again, no you,
didn't you know first? Time give me try for.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Me i'm a.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Coach that's how Coach johnson. Coach that's how Coach andrew.
Coach this is the Coaches i'm dealing. With hey, man
try What i'm asking you and then, okay, NOW i
hate to say, this you can't do.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
IT i know you want to stay on the, field
but not in this.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
Situation all, right two questions for before we get out of.
Here get, yeah two quick questions before we get out of.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Here but do you agree with? That jest?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Sir the first time as a, player you have to,
try you, know and you, SEE i can't do. It
we either change the defense to help me out OR
i have to leave the, field AND i ain't leaving the.
Field So i'm gonna be talking to you all.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Week. Man we gotta.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Change what can we expect to see out Of clowny this?
Week significant playing, time some, playtime situational.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
If it's fifteen plays a, less let's all pass.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Rush what would you? Do how do you play? Them
where do you play? Them who comes out LIKE i don't?
Speaker 5 (44:18):
Care my thig is that big?
Speaker 7 (44:20):
One and here's here's an even here's an even crazier
part about. IT i don't know if HE i don't
know if he's gonna play not this. Week you want
him to because you signed him and you want to
see him on the. Field but, again no off season, none, zero, none,
none no contact Nothing and even this. Week they did
(44:43):
a walk through yesterday on A, wednesday AND i get their.
Hair they went to overtime on A sundays and you,
know more playing, Time no da da.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
DAH i get.
Speaker 7 (44:50):
It so coach are trying to take care of legs and,
bodies and so they'll walk through on A. Wednesday they're
doing shells.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Today m. Hm so that's one one. Practice where is
he getting ready to ramp up to go into a?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Game? Right? Like where is?
Speaker 3 (45:08):
It where is the? RUSHES i DON'T i don't know
if this is even a week that you might put
him out? There keep?
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Him and he is a mercenary ten, Rushes, okay he's a.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Mercenary does he get three old?
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Mercer does he get paid this? Week no matter? What,
yes active roster.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Sign so there's a sign that doted the line he
got this.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
Week they're gonna want him to.
Speaker 8 (45:34):
Play can you set another defensive? End because you, MEAN
i get much out of, him so you need that
the other guy to you have to subtract somewhere.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Else if he's on the active, roster he will.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Play and if you don't feel like he's, ready you
don't have to put him on active.
Speaker 8 (45:49):
Roster, yeah but do you Sit James houston or do
you have to go somewhere?
Speaker 7 (45:54):
Now Somewhere, honestly you're gonna go somewhere, else not even
in that. Group you're gonna go somewhere. Else who got
more wide? Receivers you got how many wide receivers y'all
got over?
Speaker 1 (46:02):
There?
Speaker 7 (46:03):
Yeah we might not be bringing defensive, end, right because
if you can't, go THEN i need.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
THAT i need that rotation to still.
Speaker 7 (46:10):
Be, there you know WHAT i, Mean, like, yeah SO
i can't cut guys from that from that, situation maybe a.
Linebacker you need all your. Dbs so the only place
you can really rather you can need to go is
you have to go defensive, line, receiver running back or tight. End,
yeah you got school makers to go. Ahead he ain't
doing nothing any. More school ahead and.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Put all?
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Right except all, Right, WELL i had another, question but
we'll have to wait till tomorrow because it was a
good one By.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Kurt so we'll.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Table that till.
Speaker 6 (46:44):
Tomorrow phone calls maybe, tomorrow sure score predictions for, sure
everybody here Tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Friday, yeah, MAN i will say the.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
Same, jesse good seeing, you make good seeing.
Speaker 9 (46:55):
You.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
Kurt, thanks thanks for coming back to the. Show, CHRIS
i keep us on the. Air, josh thanks for keeping them.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Company don't forget them.
Speaker 6 (47:03):
White someone someone helped the other folks in the back
because they struggling with our.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
Show they can't get the name, right they can't get
the people. Right pray for him in the. Back See au. Tomorrow,
well this has been
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