October 28, 2025 • 48 mins
Why have the Cowboys struggled to draft defensive players? Is it because they don’t know what they’re looking for? After all, Dallas has had three defensive coordinators in three years and different schemes require different players. Plus, would it make sense to use draft capital to bring in new players for the future? Why not get a known commodity or two on defense while the offensive window is wide open?
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So next week, next week, okay.
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We had to tell you all today, tell you all
funny story while we wait on some callers all day yesterday,
Nate was like, we got an extra show this week.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I don't know why.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I don't know why. I kept thinking we got an extra.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Day because we got we got we got a Monday
game next week, so we actually have one less show
next week. But he was thinking that we were getting
one added to this week. So after the show and
walking down the hall, we finally had to say, Nate, we.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Don't have an extra show unless you plan on coming
here Saturday and doing the show.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
On the man. I just you know, I get stuck sometimes.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
You were saying it all we got extra show. We
were standing on it.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
We standing on it that show. You know you love
your job when you just want.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
To work an extra day. No, No, I just you
know because I wanted to move.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
I had already my mind moved the defense to third,
so I couldn't get It's like.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I'm avoided watching all of that defense.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Hey, he didn't lie either, He gave up on film.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Look.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Look last week he was on for three days. He
was in his iPad. Today's is like, you know what,
nothing to look at hem.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
Because I'm I like watching Good on Good and I
thought our offense would perform a little better than it
did because they had a good defense.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I like Good on Good.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
We all do so, And that's what kind of bothered
me when I'm like, Wow, the more I watch your defense,
that's a curse.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Ain't that a.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Curse to like something but understand the integral parts of it?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And you're looking.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Like oh yeah, yeah, And the.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
More you watch it, the more like it's confirming more
the things that you think.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, kind of like last night when you hear the
showing up again, it's really cool that we're playing the
Chiefs on Thanksgiving. Yeah, And when you really watch the Chiefs,
you really want.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
They had and they had everybody back for Washington. Yeah, Garytarian,
I might want to get your turkey eating earlier.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
They might not your stomach might not be appetizing after.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
It looks like Kansas City's going to eat on things giving.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
The right there a little bit of the replay. All right,
we got one call on the phone. Let's uh, let's
get to it. Who we got, Chris, We got Randy
in Kansas Randy?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Randy?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (04:12):
Fellas? Thanks for taking my call, Sir Nate. You take
me back to the days when this team was good.
I love listening to you and your tapes. Appreciate you, guys.
I just want to ask about what Shoddy said in
his press confidence about the changes that will be coming.
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Do we feel like this culture is actually changing and
that he is getting us on the right path? What
changes does he need to make in your guys' opinion,
I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
Thank you you first, what I believe change is coming
and and it is just whenever there're change for the better,
that means something was bad and we and it started
with a great, great player and uh that was a
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good and a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
But it's gonna take time.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
It's gonna take more than the six months Jesse has
put on this man life.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So just give it a year or two Jesse.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Yeah, yeah, there are changes are coming and within the
defensive because that's what mainly what he was talking about
is after the bye you get to Marion over shown
back and then you get Savonne Rebel. So someone has
to come off the field. Two people have to come
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off the field. If those players are going on the field.
The biggest hope is that to those guys can play.
And I don't want to pooh pool a situation that
people are looking forward to. Just look around the league,
ladies and gentlemen. When guys come back from serious knee
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injuries that has put them out of football for a
very long time, most people don't jump right back into
the mix of things and are playing up here now.
I know the bar has been set extremely low because
of what has been put out there. So anything people
are saying is better than that will take.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
How many games does Overshown have what means he played total?
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Yeah, about twelve, about ten probably in the last two years.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
And again we don't know what revel is. I mean,
there is a there's.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
A glimmer of what seventeen of what Overshown has shown
that you can believe in, but we don't know what
revel will be I do think because the one last
guy that has been untouchable that needs to be touchable
in the sense of getting him off the field probably
a little bit more. Is your linebacker, your middle linebacker,
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Kenneth Murray, And I know he's playing a little bit
out of a position. He wasn't brought here to be
a middle linebacker, but you had the injuries, and maybe
when Jack Jack Sanborn comes back, he can move back
to the will backer where he can just kind of
do more running and tackling than actually having to diagnose
and shed blocks and all those things. But you know,
Clowny's probably gonna play more. That's been one of the
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things that they talked about, so you may see him
playing more.
Speaker 9 (07:38):
Are these big changes in the middle of a season.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
It's the best you can do. It's the best that
you can possibly do. At this point in time. There
isn't there isn't much left, especially for that front that
front seven. There isn't much left that you can well,
I'm just saying as far as like you know, whenever
we find out what's wrong with Diggs or what's not
wrong with Diggs, you know he comes back and he's healthy.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
He's better than what you have out there.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
He's better than Kaye, he's better than the Ready, he's
better than Traquez Bridges, He's better than all those guys.
So that's a it's an upgrade.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But don't you have to have the desire? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
You do.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
So the problem with this team right now defensively is
you can't tell me most of these guys, and I'm
not excluding his secondary, they.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Don't have the experience.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
You go and look at all these backups that play,
they don't have the experience.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
But from the.
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Linebackers on up, all of these guys got more than
two hundred and fifty games snaps. Yeah, yeah, two hundred
and fifty snaps. You cannot tell me that they don't
know how to line up. You cannot tell me that
you don't know how to do run fits. And when
you see a lack of air for the I can
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run it. That's a player. So nah, man, no, these guys,
it's about want to.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Now, it's about want to.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
You look at the Cognal's film, and I look just
a little bit of the Cognis film. They've lost I
think three or four or five games in a row
by you know, three four points. You look at the
film and I look at a little bit of Green
Bay film. By the defense they brought, they coming to
the ball, they trying, They're making plays here and there,
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and I don't think the score was high.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I think they're giving up twenty two points a game.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
Corm Man, you giving up thirty five points a game
and everywhere maginal, the run, the pass.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That's a players problem, man, Why is it so hard?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Kurt? Your bullet point number four? But this organization has
had a really hard time evaluating defensive talent in the draft.
Done a hell of a job on offense. Offensive linemen
hit all the time.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know, they did fit.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
They've backed into a few things, you know, Dak, they
do pretty good.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
They backed in the back in the twenty twenty years
with the quarterbright in fact, twenty plus years a quarter.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
But for the most part, they do a pretty good
job of evaluating the you know they miss, all teams
are gonna miss. But they do a really pretty good
job of evaluating the offensive talent. But when it comes
to defensive talent, go through the stats because I'll screw.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
The numbers up.
Speaker 9 (10:33):
Ah, Sorry, I didn't have it.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Sorry my bad, but it seems like they've really struggled,
especially the last you know, ten years, and especially since
twenty twenty.
Speaker 9 (10:43):
Yeah, they've drafted twenty eight defensive twenty six defensive players
since then, only eleven are still on the team. And
if you look at this season, eleven starters a game,
eight games, eighty eight starts, that group has only had
thirty one of them. And outside of you know, Blandonosa,
your regular starters, they're the only ones playing over fifty
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percent of the snaps too.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Is defensive talent league wide harder to evaluate? Or is
this team just really good at evaluating offensive talent not
so good at evaluate defensive talent?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Think you have it?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I think that's just if you go, if we if
we took a fine tooth comb through every team's process.
You know, you look at the Baltimore Ravens and you
look at the Pittsburgh Steelers, they just hit on defensive players.
They just know how to find them. They just they
have an I for them, they have a culture form,
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they just they just do they do right, like, they
just find them. And some teams are more I mean,
like for example, the Cleveland Browns, they cannot find a
quarterback to save their life.
Speaker 10 (11:54):
I like.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Think about that, Like the Cleveland Browns have not been
able to figure out and they've drafted hot and even
when they find a quarterback, you know what I mean?
And so like some teams just have it. Some teams
just I know how to I know how to find this.
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We are we we hang our hat on finding this
and that's just what it is. And the Cowboys they
do a great job finding offensive linemen.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
And but I guess do scouts have like I would
assume a scout that grew up playing offensive line is
going to scout an offensive lineman better than he would receiver.
Does it work like that?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Or Andrew?
Speaker 9 (12:35):
Guys have you know separate strengths?
Speaker 7 (12:39):
This, this is number one is one of your main problems.
One of your main and biggest problems is you do
not know what you're looking for. You have to know
what you want and what you're looking for. Now you
can start figuring out how to get it. D QM
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this other this EVA flues.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
What are you looking for? What are you looking for?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Because every coach comes with something different?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Speaker 7 (13:09):
So if you don't know what you're looking for, how
do you know what you when you find out how
you know? So, first of all, you got to hire
somebody to hey, this.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Guy is not going to be fired.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
Like for a long time, the Steelers had one defensive coordinator,
no matter who the coaches was.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It was just one defensive coordinator.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
For a long time, the Philadelphia Eagles had one no
matter who the head coach was. This is our defense,
this is what we run. For a long time, the
Cowboys had one guy that was that did that. When
you go to changing coaches, changing coach is changing coaches,
changing coaches, and your talent don't x west as quick
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as your coaches are.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
What is Mazi? You know what is Clark? Now?
Speaker 7 (14:00):
What is osa Osa is a guy that penetrates up
the field, reckless abandon That is not what this guy want.
You got to have a purpose in why you're doing that.
Go look at Calis Campbell that plays.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
For this team were watching.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
He has a purpose when he shoots up the field.
He makes plays when he shoots up the field.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
What are you looking for? What are you looking for?
Speaker 9 (14:24):
When they have been better served because Dak has more
or less had the same system going back to you know,
Garrett and Kellen Moore, than. You know, Kellen worked for
McCarthy for a year and then shot Nimer's been he's
had this flow, like you said, you know it was
Rod mary Ella and Mike Nolan, dan Quinn's.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
You know, even our offensive linemen haven't been as solid
as what we was getting the you know, it hasn't
been just that boom no matter where we picked him
at top five middle.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
In the end.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
But when you just go to changing coaches and go
to changing coaches, you are going to have instability in
what you're trying to do. The day they stopped just
changing coaches, changing philosophies, and I'm talking about mainly defensively,
then you can start to build on something.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
You know that's not too promising because right now it
looks like we have another DC around here.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Pretty soon.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
You think even Plus was ever a long term answered DC.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 9 (15:31):
I mean, he was always going to be looking for another.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
We here we hear coach speak. This man. I'm keeping
about to pull a jesting. I'm keeping this real. This
man got to humiliated in Chicago.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
They did him dirty, the way they fired him, the
way they talked about him, the way they did him.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They did him dirty.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
That man had a very clean reputation going up into
that until he got hired by Chicago.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Okay, you bringing this man here for we what we
to fix it? Guy or something? Come here here, get
fixed and leave.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I think they hired this man to try to start something,
and it hasn't worked because the players that you had
that you thought you were gonna have a gone. You
thought you would have the kid that's in Green Bay,
and you thought you would have two healthy corners that
wanted to play football, and you have neither but one
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corner left that want to play football for the Dallas Cowboys.
You think you didn't even have a basis.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
You think he's sitting back going I did just passed
this year. I just waited a year. If I know
all this stuff was gonna happen, I'd just been like,
you know what, I would go to the barn, ask
Mike if I get the keys to the bar, go
watch the film for a year and see it was
over next to you me. I mean, nobody, nobody would
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have walked into this knowing you're getting rid of your
star generational quote unquote pass rusher, your Pro Bowl cornerback.
Like I don't think anybody would.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Have walked in here in their right mind knowing that fellas.
Just think now we started.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Four guys in our secondary that would not even be
on most teams. Too deep roster. I think Bell would
be there, and he if he's not careful when they
go to cleaning house, they may get him too, because
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sometime when you play around that type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
It gets you too.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
So he got to stay about the fry of afraid
of whatever words you use there both.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, the fire in the frame.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
You know when I look at this, this this Dallas team,
and I laughed because we set up and we try
to make guys bigger than what they are because of
this star.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Look at your two corners.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Do we even can you name them? I passed through corners.
Can you really just call their names? And what they
have done? I mean I don't even when they told
me who was starting on Oh, okay, and I had
to do a little quick check on my phone. Okay,
you ain't got to tell me who Ba Baker is?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Who is huh? Think about? You have tell me who
Patrick's is? Tam was We tried to get him to
it three times.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Yeah, I'm just saying what impact player we have on
defense in our secondary that you can.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Say, yeah, yeah, closer, you got That's about it and
he has no help.
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Right, all right, let's take our first break when we
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more calls. Chris who we got?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
We got Chris and Maryland.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Chris and Maryland? What's up?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Bring up Chris?
Speaker 12 (21:59):
I thank would say, I'm oh cool man. I shout out
to Nate and Jesse for always keeping it one hundred.
I want to say, if it wasn't with Dak Prescott,
like this team would be just just god awf of
what it is now. I think that people have been
given the office in line too much credit. Even when
Tyler got blocked Michael Parsons in training camp a couple
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of years ago, Nate was the only person who was
like just pumpy Brakes on his kid, like just relax.
Everybody wanted to crown them, and we see what it
went today. Terren Steel, everybody you know got a second contract. Well,
of course, you look real good when you're playing next
to the best guard in football. When he leaves and
he gets hurt, now, To be honest, I think Nate
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Thomas needs to start taking reps. I think people are
looking at these two draft picks, these two first round
picks all incorrectly. It's really tied to Dak Prescott and
how many how much more time he has left? Right
I think it's got three to four years left to
that when he runs out, so it's no longer guaranteed.
So you to maximize that window of time because right
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now we have nothing. I don't know why Sam Williams
keeps stunting inside. He's losing his gap integrity, like he's
Tank Williams, Like you're not smart enough to make those decisions. Yet.
If Kenny Clark was here to stop the run, brought
here to stop the running, he's gotten progressively worse. It's
just like day one install stuff, stuff that we learned
in high school and college that this NFL football team
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cannot do. And I think it's indicative of the gim
and bringing in players that are that don't have the
ability or not smart enough to run just basic schemes.
Thanks for taking the call.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
No, what was Chris?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
He was either a word Chris, you a cryptic death rob.
He kind of scared of me. I like, is this
Halloween in the room where he was?
Speaker 7 (23:53):
He was he was, he was bringing it, he knew
what he wanted to say.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
I did agree with him. Those picks in the window here.
I mean, you're gonna wait another two or three years
where guys develop and dax window closers, or you're gonna
go get somebody now that you know can play.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
You know what, but you need so many I know
that's the problem.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
Is not I'm not you're not doing it for now.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
You're saying somebody that's got one or two years left
on the contract.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Oh, you need some you need a younger guy who's yeah,
you've got him for a little bit. You can't just
get a rent on.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
And then I add to what he's saying, that can
flat out play.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
Yeah, yeah, you don't waste.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Yeah yeah, that can flat Okay.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
So let's just say this, because we're giving up these assets, right,
what is the cost of assets? Because if we're talking
about a certain player on the West Coast and potentially
trying to bring him in, you're gonna need more than
just at first, they're gonna they know the value and
they've already said.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
No, But do you know he can play.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know that.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
Is it worth it them? Because otherwise you're taking a
chance on a kid that you hope will be ready
in a couple of years. At a defensive side of
the balls, you've had trouble.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
We've tried, We've tried. I was gonna say, we've tried
the draft route that hasn't worked so good on defense.
Why not go get a surefire thing that cost you
a little bit more than what It's.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Just insane that we have just made this.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
To come back to where we were.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
We just like we're in it like and this is.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Why you're not French. I'm not with them because with
a whole different type of player, like you.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Know, but we're talking about getting back to a place
that we already were ninety days ago, when the question
should have been how can we add to what we
already had?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
The energy should have been let's keep him.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Yeah, find a way to go trade for Kenny Clark,
find a way to go trade for or another interior player,
another line like your energy. And that's been the problem.
The problem is is that if you go and get
said player, are you willing to go put the other
pieces around.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
It because you I was getting ready to say something.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
You can't keep these guys here with that, because guess what,
that's insanity.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
You're doing the same thing you just got finished doing.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
So if you're going to go get this guy, you
have to take an entirely different approach than you did
for the last twenty years because this guy will be
replacing the guy that you just traded away. And with
that guy, what was the problem they had with him?
He was really good at one thing, but didn't have
the other pieces around him.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Because he was good enough to do it, he just
in one.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Right to complete the mission.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
So if you're going to trade for that player that
we're talking about or someone like him, then also be ready,
either in the trade deadline or in the off season,
to not go bargain ben shopping, to not just rely
on draft picks, but to go and spend the necessary
capital seriously on the day one high end level dudes,
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because if not, we're just playing. We're just replacing names now,
that's all we're doing.
Speaker 9 (27:14):
I wish they would do that, because aren't we just
replacing names with another draft pick that's maybe got a
thirty first overall draft pick that's maybe gonna work out
in a couple of years.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
I'm with you and that I've always fought the fight
of the way that you build this team. The proper
way is going out in free agency and getting those guys,
getting those guys who can play the game of football right.
Because we're doing because all we're doing is replacing names.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
The system may change, and I mean the overall system
main't change.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
If I take this name and send them to Green
Bay and then bring this name in and do the
same thing I did with the name that we said.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
To Green Bay, guess what we'll get, Kurt.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
We'll be in the same place next year, and we'll
be saying, it's the coach, it's.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
The key, it's the scheme.
Speaker 9 (28:06):
It's the window closes your.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Offensive window and you're starting back over on offense, and
then both sides are in DISARRAYE.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
So so that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
Man.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
It's go ahead, goddamn, Kurt. You're correct, Yes, yes, you're correct.
Go get that guy. And if we got to give
up a pick, we give up a pick. But the
next twelve picks gotta be all defense, and two of
them got to be for run stoppers, run stoppers on it.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
In case the first one don't work.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
We signed the contract.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Bro. If you get one sat if it's one run,
fit you out of here.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
But yeah, no, but but but you have to be
willing to go get the other pieces that you're doing.
That's part of what that's part of the problem right
now is that you're what you're watching on Sundays is
an extreme lack of depth of good players.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
And to use a nate your term nate is to
have plus players. And you don't have to have elite
across the board, but I do need an elite.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
But then I need to go and get plus players.
And the next thing that I'm about to say is
so critically important. Who love the game of football. We
get too many players in here who don't love the game.
We don't that who do not love the game. And
that's the part that frustrates me as a former player,
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someone who had to fight scrap claw to make his
way and to stay afloat. Is when I see guys
get an opportunity or have the blessing and the privilege
to play in this league and then I watch them
on like I take it very slightly personal when I
hear we don't understand the scheme.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Second, I.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Know that every player's skill set doesn't fit. But when
you're starting to tell me, and this is what Shoddy
said to his press conference, we're talking about like eye
candy gets you, misdirection gets you. You know why this
team doesn't communicate, Kurt Daniels, because you don't communicate.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
You don't when you don't know. When you know, you communicate,
you can tell everybody right the wrong.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
When when your when your boy, when your boy knows
the answer, you can't keep him in the seat. Right
If you remember were back in grade school, and you'd
be like, all right, who knows the answer? Two plus two? Me?
They don't communicate because they don't know. And the reason
that they don't know is they don't put the time in.
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They don't put the time in. Like I think back
to players like Sean Lee I was a part of
I was a teammate of Shan Lee. While Shoronley's body
failed him, his mind didn't. But you know why Seawan
was such a great communicator. When you watch these other teams,
while there's such great communication going on, knew the play
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because people know what the hell they're doing. You just
I don't care what it is. Pick pick a profession.
If you're in any profession and the conversation comes up
about stuff that you know, you ain't shutting up. You
ain't shutting up. Let me tell you about all because
you know it.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
It's like linebacker, but.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
You watched it, because you mean to tell me that,
Like when I watch Fred Warner, when I when I
watch Nick Bolton, when I watch other of these other
linebackers in this league.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I'm just like, you mean to tell me what?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
What?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
What do they know that we don't know?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
All right?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So question for you because I remember when Sean Lee
was here, and if you have one guy like him
that knows everything, that makes your whole defense better because
he can be like, this is coming, this is where
you yes, And when he heard he careful. Remember when
he would go out and they would look like they
didn't know what the hell was going on? Is that
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kind of where we're now? You have nobody, nobody where,
nobody what the other teams nobody.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Let me tell you how simple it was. They had
a tackle and they had a tight end or our
big wide receiver and it had another wide receiver, and
they had moved like two yards from that tackle defensive
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man is standing right there.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Somebody walked up. They didn't say crack. Yeah.
Speaker 14 (32:35):
I had to say it was crack crack because they
washed crack washed crack wash crack, because that lets your
division end know, either turn your back to him fully
or hit that smoking you know, go.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Go out to it as you go up the field.
But nobody said anything.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Said anything, And all of a sudden we got a
forty yard touchdown that started by shield edge and I
just said to myself, I just I've.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Been around this game, man, far too long. I've talked
to too many people. The reason that they don't communicate
it ain't because the scheme is difficult. It's cover three, guys,
it's man the man, what the hell you've been.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Running with Cover three?
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Been in the game of football since Charlie Choo Choo,
Justice and and and whoever the hell was back there
with no leather helmets.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I tell you what, man, my coach told me.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
You got to I don't cut you, but but but keys,
the keys. What's your key?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Not those keys? But if you align backer, yo, these
are my keys. That's what I supposed to be doing.
But they don't communicate because I'm not in the locker room,
per se, or just say in the media room per se.
But I watch a lot of football man, and I
watch good teams, and I watch how they communicate. That's
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because people know what they're talking about. That's because people
know what's going on. They sat there and they watched
the film past the hours that are required.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Past that.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
And they don't just do a little hour on your iPad. No,
they make this about their lives. This to become their lobbyhood.
Gods ain't leaving out of here then all of a
sudden going home and kicking their feet up, playing the game,
running the streets, whatever.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Man for six months.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
This is it.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
This is it.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
The first thing, you're talking defensive tackle, three techniques. Better,
if you're a tight eye, if that guy blocks down,
step down, look inside. Next place, you look outside because
they could be wheamming you. If you're a great tackle.
Next thing, if he's trying to reach you, go out
with him, read him. But look back inside because something
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could be happening there where they're coming back inside with
a wham.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So look back inside.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
I learned that seventh grade.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
You know how Sam Williams got cracked in there like
when when when they watched when they watched the Carolina
film and they saw Sam Williams get cracked.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
He so he ain't paying attention. Let's try it again,
he smiled.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Faces.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
How yeah, how how is it's a it's a it's
a it's a copycat league. They just gonna he come on, dong,
what when the receiver is in tight you should all
be yelling crack. It's what they do.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
In that house, just cracked.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, And that's the part I'm talking about. Man, This
this it's it's it's too many guys on this team
who don't love the game of football, who aren't studying
the game of football, And that's why the communication isn't there.
And that's why so many guys don't know what the
hell they're doing, because everybody's quiet, because everybody's unsure of
what the actual assignment is because nobody's putting that ax
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of time.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
And that's losing mentality. And that's why you're sitting where
you're sitting.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
You know why, you know why the offense is doing
some pretty so damn well because when Dak walked up
to the line.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Of scrimmage, he's like, oh no, hey, check check kill
kill Hey.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Because he knows what he's looking at. He knows what
he's looking at. He's studying the he's studying the work,
he's putting in the time, and those other guys are
able to adjust to it because he's like the captain
of the offense is like, yo, hey, look check that
up there. Hey, watch this right here. Hey, he's coming.
He's dropped. He's communicating that because he knows it. And
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that's what you do when you know. But when you don't,
you just shut up. You hope that someone else says
something to confer what you was kind of thinking, maybe
thought about maybe new. I'm like, man, I hope he
said Dan, you know hu boss snap And now y'all.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Like, oh man, I thought you are.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Now, but y'all standing ten feet from each other, somebody
say something.
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Speaker 1 (39:54):
Just think when you know who you are? Scary r
de Bo and what's man? He's here? No brown? No brown?
You're are quarterback?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
You?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Which one are you?
Speaker 10 (40:10):
Though?
Speaker 1 (40:10):
You're married? Are you the skinny one? Five?
Speaker 7 (40:18):
But it's just just great a man, give me some love,
great stuff, man, lord's willing, bro.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Chris, let us take one more call, see if we
have time for two?
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Who we got? All right? We got we got Josh
and Mary? Okay, Josh and man, what's up?
Speaker 12 (40:32):
Hey?
Speaker 13 (40:33):
What's going on? Something?
Speaker 9 (40:33):
Hey?
Speaker 13 (40:34):
I ain't whispering like Chris Well, I ain't whistling like
the height and saying it and uh, Kurt, y'all keep
it a hundred too, man, y'all y'all to man than
y'all keep the hundred all the time too, manch real quick,
I ain't got you know, no complaints?
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Man?
Speaker 13 (40:52):
You are with your record sends you are? You know
what I mean? Ah? Just called the ship with stuff.
Check on y'all minis and Dentel's uh you know, and
I got one little simple rushing Jerry said earlier on
uh what is it? One O five three to fame.
He was like, uh, he spoke, and y'all been talking
about the linebackers a lot today, but he spoke on
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the linebackers earlier the day, so and you know that
kind of I ain't really think, yeah it was you know,
it was a shot at the linebackers. But you know,
y'all be with Jerry Moore so corrected, or I'll be
with d at all, but correct me if of all,
is that a shot at eba flu? Because he is
you know, specialty is linebackers and they've been doing a
(41:32):
lot of protection and evil flutes. But this the first
time I heard, you know, Jerry don't really call out
certain position groups, and with him calling them out, is
that a shot at ebra flu? You know? Finding like,
all right, you know we might have to make some
type of change there, but that's pretty much it. Appreciate
your taking my call.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Out good And just let me ask you this right quick,
like dad on to what he's saying, Uh, if we
were to get another offensive coordinator in here?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Will he have enough respect from this staff defensive coordinator defensive.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Coordinator to to say, hey, these are the type players
we want. Is it gonna be a long term higher
or short time what's your feelings on that?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I mean it's a short term higher, the.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Short term higher. A lot of times. That's usually for
a head coach type situation. I think when you get
a coordinator, you're expecting to be here for a while.
You expect to be because it is important that Will
McLay and his staff get the players. Because that's how
it happens, right, Like you bring a DC in here,
and the DC sits down with Will McLay and he
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figures out what is your system?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Right?
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Your system is h three four four three. Here's what
we have. Here's what we already have here that we
are planning on keeping here.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Right.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
Let me let me tell you that part, and then
now how can we further get what you need for
your system? You know, certain defensive coordinators they have requirements,
you know. The most infamous one that we talk about
the most was Rod Maynelly had a certain type of
player that he looked for, and he said TJ. Watt
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doesn't fit my aesthetics of what I look for in
a defensive end. Taco Charlton did. So he said no
to He told him no to him and yes to
him because of his measurements. You know, TJ. Watt didn't
put his hand in the dirt. Taco did. So, those
are the requirements that he had. Now did he missed
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out on a player, absolut freakinguely, he did. But so
everyone comes in with that level of what they want.
And then now once you give that to Will McClay
hen now gives it to his staff and they go,
go find.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Me these dudes with these traits, right.
Speaker 6 (43:48):
Go find me. If you're gonna run a cover three.
Anytime you're looking to run a zone type coverage, you're
gonna look for more of the longer, rangier players. Hence,
while you're going, you get a guy likes to oone revel,
taller type corner. You know, a bigger corner can can
cover more ground. Right, the throwing angles become a lot
more difficult now when you're throwing through these windows. Think
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about a two three zone in basketball. Think about old
school Jim Behim and how he ran his two three zone.
He had six foot seven jokers out there in the wings,
and they spreading worms out like this, no passing lanes.
It's right, same thing applause to football. When you're trying
to run his own you want to have guys who
can cover a certain space.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
So all that information is given to Will.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Will then deploys it out to his staff and then
now they go scour the earth to try to find
guys who fit the mold of what that defensive coordinator wants.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
And to answer the callers question, I don't think it
was a shot at eber Flew, so to speak. I
think it was more of a finally they're starting to say,
and see what we've been seeing for the last couple
of weeks. And also he's just priming. Jevy's just prime
and let you know, we're getting a lie linebacker back.
Speaker 9 (45:02):
His quote was, we need to basically have better play
from the linebackers, maintaining the integrity of our gaps which
linebreakers have to fill. The linebreakers have to slide. Yeah,
we did a poor John.
Speaker 6 (45:12):
So that's that's Jerry sitting in on the meeting or
reading the notes that they shipped out there. To him
and sit here say this about what happened with the linebackers,
but also probably let you know that we get linebacker
play coming in with with with overshown.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
But I've been saying it for weeks.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Kenneth Murray is a bad Linebacker's a busy bad linebacker.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Shamar James is just young. He's trying to figure it out.
You just you.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
And part of the reason why you have bad linebacker
play is because your defensive line ain't good. And when
your defensive line ain't good, Uh, you know the one
plan that everybody's been showing on TV. When Shamar James
gets knocked down and then he get Elijah Clark and
he turns back, the guard turns back and then he
gets uh clowney. Well watch how the guards come off
the ball. No resistance. They just come right up and
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get right to the backer. I mean, nobody slow them down,
slow them nothing, nothing. They just shot right up there
and there's nothing up front that's stopping these guys from
getting to the second the second level.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
And you see then Shamar gets knocked down and then
what's it calls?
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Playing paddy cake fifteen yards down the field and Harvey
goes in untouched for forty yard runs. So, yes, you
have bad linebacker play because they aren't fitting in the
right gaps. Part of that is because they just aren't
doing it. You know, a gap you're supposed to be in.
This ain't You ain't just get to planet Earth yesterday.
You ain't just pick up football yesterday. And then your
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your defensive front is not good, so you're not keeping
guards and centers and other guys off your linebackers because
they don't ship blocks really good.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Hence why you're struggling defensively.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
I know, we gotta go one question for each for
each of you, and then maybe we'll talk about tomorrow
since we're starting the draft show today.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Would you be opposed.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
To locking up pick cans, locking up Williams, trading some
of your draft collateral for a war daddy on the edge,
and then spending, like you said, every single draft pick
on the defensive side of the ball and go for
it and be like, here's you want to go all in,
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here's my chips for the next We got a two
year window.
Speaker 7 (47:32):
I told you I was joking because that sounds so
much like right, yeah, all.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Right, Jesse date Kurk good stuff today. We will be
back tomorrow camera extra day tomorrow. On this day tomorrow,
what are we doing tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (47:50):
Cowboys offense, Cowboys defense, right, I mean Cowboys offense.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Cowboys offense, Arizona defense. Chris, thanks for keeping us on
their Josh, Thanks for keeping them a couple of back tomorrow,
O boys.
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I don't know why.
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I don't know why. I kept thinking we got an extra.
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Day because we got we got we got a Monday
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next week. But he was thinking that we were getting
one added to this week. So after the show and
walking down the hall, we finally had to say, Nate, we.
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On the man. I just you know, I get stuck sometimes.
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You were saying it all we got extra show. We
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To work an extra day. No, No, I just you
know because I wanted to move.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
I had already my mind moved the defense to third,
so I couldn't get It's like.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I'm avoided watching all of that defense.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Hey, he didn't lie either, He gave up on film.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Look.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Look last week he was on for three days. He
was in his iPad. Today's is like, you know what,
nothing to look at hem.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
Because I'm I like watching Good on Good and I
thought our offense would perform a little better than it
did because they had a good defense.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I like Good on Good.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
We all do so, And that's what kind of bothered
me when I'm like, Wow, the more I watch your defense,
that's a curse.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Ain't that a.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Curse to like something but understand the integral parts of it?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And you're looking.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Like oh yeah, yeah, And the.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
More you watch it, the more like it's confirming more
the things that you think.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, kind of like last night when you hear the
showing up again, it's really cool that we're playing the
Chiefs on Thanksgiving. Yeah, And when you really watch the Chiefs,
you really want.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
They had and they had everybody back for Washington. Yeah, Garytarian,
I might want to get your turkey eating earlier.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
They might not your stomach might not be appetizing after.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
It looks like Kansas City's going to eat on things giving.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
The right there a little bit of the replay. All right,
we got one call on the phone. Let's uh, let's
get to it. Who we got, Chris, We got Randy
in Kansas Randy?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Randy?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (04:12):
Fellas? Thanks for taking my call, Sir Nate. You take
me back to the days when this team was good.
I love listening to you and your tapes. Appreciate you, guys.
I just want to ask about what Shoddy said in
his press confidence about the changes that will be coming.
(04:36):
Do we feel like this culture is actually changing and
that he is getting us on the right path? What
changes does he need to make in your guys' opinion,
I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
Thank you you first, what I believe change is coming
and and it is just whenever there're change for the better,
that means something was bad and we and it started
with a great, great player and uh that was a
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good and a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
But it's gonna take time.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
It's gonna take more than the six months Jesse has
put on this man life.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So just give it a year or two Jesse.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Yeah, yeah, there are changes are coming and within the
defensive because that's what mainly what he was talking about
is after the bye you get to Marion over shown
back and then you get Savonne Rebel. So someone has
to come off the field. Two people have to come
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off the field. If those players are going on the field.
The biggest hope is that to those guys can play.
And I don't want to pooh pool a situation that
people are looking forward to. Just look around the league,
ladies and gentlemen. When guys come back from serious knee
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injuries that has put them out of football for a
very long time, most people don't jump right back into
the mix of things and are playing up here now.
I know the bar has been set extremely low because
of what has been put out there. So anything people
are saying is better than that will take.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
How many games does Overshown have what means he played total?
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Yeah, about twelve, about ten probably in the last two years.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
And again we don't know what revel is. I mean,
there is a there's.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
A glimmer of what seventeen of what Overshown has shown
that you can believe in, but we don't know what
revel will be I do think because the one last
guy that has been untouchable that needs to be touchable
in the sense of getting him off the field probably
a little bit more. Is your linebacker, your middle linebacker,
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Kenneth Murray, And I know he's playing a little bit
out of a position. He wasn't brought here to be
a middle linebacker, but you had the injuries, and maybe
when Jack Jack Sanborn comes back, he can move back
to the will backer where he can just kind of
do more running and tackling than actually having to diagnose
and shed blocks and all those things. But you know,
Clowny's probably gonna play more. That's been one of the
(07:34):
things that they talked about, so you may see him
playing more.
Speaker 9 (07:38):
Are these big changes in the middle of a season.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
It's the best you can do. It's the best that
you can possibly do. At this point in time. There
isn't there isn't much left, especially for that front that
front seven. There isn't much left that you can well,
I'm just saying as far as like you know, whenever
we find out what's wrong with Diggs or what's not
wrong with Diggs, you know he comes back and he's healthy.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
He's better than what you have out there.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
He's better than Kaye, he's better than the Ready, he's
better than Traquez Bridges, He's better than all those guys.
So that's a it's an upgrade.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But don't you have to have the desire? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
You do.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
So the problem with this team right now defensively is
you can't tell me most of these guys, and I'm
not excluding his secondary, they.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Don't have the experience.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
You go and look at all these backups that play,
they don't have the experience.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
But from the.
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Linebackers on up, all of these guys got more than
two hundred and fifty games snaps. Yeah, yeah, two hundred
and fifty snaps. You cannot tell me that they don't
know how to line up. You cannot tell me that
you don't know how to do run fits. And when
you see a lack of air for the I can
(09:00):
run it. That's a player. So nah, man, no, these guys,
it's about want to.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Now, it's about want to.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
You look at the Cognal's film, and I look just
a little bit of the Cognis film. They've lost I
think three or four or five games in a row
by you know, three four points. You look at the
film and I look at a little bit of Green
Bay film. By the defense they brought, they coming to
the ball, they trying, They're making plays here and there,
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and I don't think the score was high.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I think they're giving up twenty two points a game.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
Corm Man, you giving up thirty five points a game
and everywhere maginal, the run, the pass.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That's a players problem, man, Why is it so hard?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Kurt? Your bullet point number four? But this organization has
had a really hard time evaluating defensive talent in the draft.
Done a hell of a job on offense. Offensive linemen
hit all the time.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know, they did fit.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
They've backed into a few things, you know, Dak, they
do pretty good.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
They backed in the back in the twenty twenty years
with the quarterbright in fact, twenty plus years a quarter.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
But for the most part, they do a pretty good
job of evaluating the you know they miss, all teams
are gonna miss. But they do a really pretty good
job of evaluating the offensive talent. But when it comes
to defensive talent, go through the stats because I'll screw.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
The numbers up.
Speaker 9 (10:33):
Ah, Sorry, I didn't have it.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Sorry my bad, but it seems like they've really struggled,
especially the last you know, ten years, and especially since
twenty twenty.
Speaker 9 (10:43):
Yeah, they've drafted twenty eight defensive twenty six defensive players
since then, only eleven are still on the team. And
if you look at this season, eleven starters a game,
eight games, eighty eight starts, that group has only had
thirty one of them. And outside of you know, Blandonosa,
your regular starters, they're the only ones playing over fifty
(11:05):
percent of the snaps too.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Is defensive talent league wide harder to evaluate? Or is
this team just really good at evaluating offensive talent not
so good at evaluate defensive talent?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Think you have it?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I think that's just if you go, if we if
we took a fine tooth comb through every team's process.
You know, you look at the Baltimore Ravens and you
look at the Pittsburgh Steelers, they just hit on defensive players.
They just know how to find them. They just they
have an I for them, they have a culture form,
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they just they just do they do right, like, they
just find them. And some teams are more I mean,
like for example, the Cleveland Browns, they cannot find a
quarterback to save their life.
Speaker 10 (11:54):
I like.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Think about that, Like the Cleveland Browns have not been
able to figure out and they've drafted hot and even
when they find a quarterback, you know what I mean?
And so like some teams just have it. Some teams
just I know how to I know how to find this.
(12:17):
We are we we hang our hat on finding this
and that's just what it is. And the Cowboys they
do a great job finding offensive linemen.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
And but I guess do scouts have like I would
assume a scout that grew up playing offensive line is
going to scout an offensive lineman better than he would receiver.
Does it work like that?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Or Andrew?
Speaker 9 (12:35):
Guys have you know separate strengths?
Speaker 7 (12:39):
This, this is number one is one of your main problems.
One of your main and biggest problems is you do
not know what you're looking for. You have to know
what you want and what you're looking for. Now you
can start figuring out how to get it. D QM
(13:01):
this other this EVA flues.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
What are you looking for? What are you looking for?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Because every coach comes with something different?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Speaker 7 (13:09):
So if you don't know what you're looking for, how
do you know what you when you find out how
you know? So, first of all, you got to hire
somebody to hey, this.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Guy is not going to be fired.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
Like for a long time, the Steelers had one defensive coordinator,
no matter who the coaches was.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It was just one defensive coordinator.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
For a long time, the Philadelphia Eagles had one no
matter who the head coach was. This is our defense,
this is what we run. For a long time, the
Cowboys had one guy that was that did that. When
you go to changing coaches, changing coach is changing coaches,
changing coaches, and your talent don't x west as quick
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as your coaches are.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
What is Mazi? You know what is Clark? Now?
Speaker 7 (14:00):
What is osa Osa is a guy that penetrates up
the field, reckless abandon That is not what this guy want.
You got to have a purpose in why you're doing that.
Go look at Calis Campbell that plays.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
For this team were watching.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
He has a purpose when he shoots up the field.
He makes plays when he shoots up the field.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
What are you looking for? What are you looking for?
Speaker 9 (14:24):
When they have been better served because Dak has more
or less had the same system going back to you know,
Garrett and Kellen Moore, than. You know, Kellen worked for
McCarthy for a year and then shot Nimer's been he's
had this flow, like you said, you know it was
Rod mary Ella and Mike Nolan, dan Quinn's.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
You know, even our offensive linemen haven't been as solid
as what we was getting the you know, it hasn't
been just that boom no matter where we picked him
at top five middle.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
In the end.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
But when you just go to changing coaches and go
to changing coaches, you are going to have instability in
what you're trying to do. The day they stopped just
changing coaches, changing philosophies, and I'm talking about mainly defensively,
then you can start to build on something.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
You know that's not too promising because right now it
looks like we have another DC around here.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Pretty soon.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
You think even Plus was ever a long term answered DC.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 9 (15:31):
I mean, he was always going to be looking for another.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
We here we hear coach speak. This man. I'm keeping
about to pull a jesting. I'm keeping this real. This
man got to humiliated in Chicago.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
They did him dirty, the way they fired him, the
way they talked about him, the way they did him.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They did him dirty.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
That man had a very clean reputation going up into
that until he got hired by Chicago.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Okay, you bringing this man here for we what we
to fix it? Guy or something? Come here here, get
fixed and leave.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I think they hired this man to try to start something,
and it hasn't worked because the players that you had
that you thought you were gonna have a gone. You
thought you would have the kid that's in Green Bay,
and you thought you would have two healthy corners that
wanted to play football, and you have neither but one
(16:33):
corner left that want to play football for the Dallas Cowboys.
You think you didn't even have a basis.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
You think he's sitting back going I did just passed
this year. I just waited a year. If I know
all this stuff was gonna happen, I'd just been like,
you know what, I would go to the barn, ask
Mike if I get the keys to the bar, go
watch the film for a year and see it was
over next to you me. I mean, nobody, nobody would
(17:01):
have walked into this knowing you're getting rid of your
star generational quote unquote pass rusher, your Pro Bowl cornerback.
Like I don't think anybody would.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Have walked in here in their right mind knowing that fellas.
Just think now we started.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Four guys in our secondary that would not even be
on most teams. Too deep roster. I think Bell would
be there, and he if he's not careful when they
go to cleaning house, they may get him too, because
(17:43):
sometime when you play around that type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
It gets you too.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
So he got to stay about the fry of afraid
of whatever words you use there both.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, the fire in the frame.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
You know when I look at this, this this Dallas team,
and I laughed because we set up and we try
to make guys bigger than what they are because of
this star.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Look at your two corners.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Do we even can you name them? I passed through corners.
Can you really just call their names? And what they
have done? I mean I don't even when they told
me who was starting on Oh, okay, and I had
to do a little quick check on my phone. Okay,
you ain't got to tell me who Ba Baker is?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Who is huh? Think about? You have tell me who
Patrick's is? Tam was We tried to get him to
it three times.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Yeah, I'm just saying what impact player we have on
defense in our secondary that you can.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Say, yeah, yeah, closer, you got That's about it and
he has no help.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Right, all right, let's take our first break when we
come back. We got somebody on the phone when we
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more calls. Chris who we got?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
We got Chris and Maryland.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Chris and Maryland? What's up?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Bring up Chris?
Speaker 12 (21:59):
I thank would say, I'm oh cool man. I shout out
to Nate and Jesse for always keeping it one hundred.
I want to say, if it wasn't with Dak Prescott,
like this team would be just just god awf of
what it is now. I think that people have been
given the office in line too much credit. Even when
Tyler got blocked Michael Parsons in training camp a couple
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of years ago, Nate was the only person who was
like just pumpy Brakes on his kid, like just relax.
Everybody wanted to crown them, and we see what it
went today. Terren Steel, everybody you know got a second contract. Well,
of course, you look real good when you're playing next
to the best guard in football. When he leaves and
he gets hurt, now, To be honest, I think Nate
(22:43):
Thomas needs to start taking reps. I think people are
looking at these two draft picks, these two first round
picks all incorrectly. It's really tied to Dak Prescott and
how many how much more time he has left? Right
I think it's got three to four years left to
that when he runs out, so it's no longer guaranteed.
So you to maximize that window of time because right
(23:05):
now we have nothing. I don't know why Sam Williams
keeps stunting inside. He's losing his gap integrity, like he's
Tank Williams, Like you're not smart enough to make those decisions. Yet.
If Kenny Clark was here to stop the run, brought
here to stop the running, he's gotten progressively worse. It's
just like day one install stuff, stuff that we learned
in high school and college that this NFL football team
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cannot do. And I think it's indicative of the gim
and bringing in players that are that don't have the
ability or not smart enough to run just basic schemes.
Thanks for taking the call.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
No, what was Chris?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
He was either a word Chris, you a cryptic death rob.
He kind of scared of me. I like, is this
Halloween in the room where he was?
Speaker 7 (23:53):
He was he was, he was bringing it, he knew
what he wanted to say.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
I did agree with him. Those picks in the window here.
I mean, you're gonna wait another two or three years
where guys develop and dax window closers, or you're gonna
go get somebody now that you know can play.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
You know what, but you need so many I know
that's the problem.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
Is not I'm not you're not doing it for now.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
You're saying somebody that's got one or two years left
on the contract.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Oh, you need some you need a younger guy who's yeah,
you've got him for a little bit. You can't just
get a rent on.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
And then I add to what he's saying, that can
flat out play.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
Yeah, yeah, you don't waste.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Yeah yeah, that can flat Okay.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
So let's just say this, because we're giving up these assets, right,
what is the cost of assets? Because if we're talking
about a certain player on the West Coast and potentially
trying to bring him in, you're gonna need more than
just at first, they're gonna they know the value and
they've already said.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
No, But do you know he can play.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know that.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
Is it worth it them? Because otherwise you're taking a
chance on a kid that you hope will be ready
in a couple of years. At a defensive side of
the balls, you've had trouble.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
We've tried, We've tried. I was gonna say, we've tried
the draft route that hasn't worked so good on defense.
Why not go get a surefire thing that cost you
a little bit more than what It's.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Just insane that we have just made this.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
To come back to where we were.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
We just like we're in it like and this is.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Why you're not French. I'm not with them because with
a whole different type of player, like you.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Know, but we're talking about getting back to a place
that we already were ninety days ago, when the question
should have been how can we add to what we
already had?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
The energy should have been let's keep him.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Yeah, find a way to go trade for Kenny Clark,
find a way to go trade for or another interior player,
another line like your energy. And that's been the problem.
The problem is is that if you go and get
said player, are you willing to go put the other
pieces around.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
It because you I was getting ready to say something.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
You can't keep these guys here with that, because guess what,
that's insanity.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
You're doing the same thing you just got finished doing.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
So if you're going to go get this guy, you
have to take an entirely different approach than you did
for the last twenty years because this guy will be
replacing the guy that you just traded away. And with
that guy, what was the problem they had with him?
He was really good at one thing, but didn't have
the other pieces around him.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Because he was good enough to do it, he just
in one.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Right to complete the mission.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
So if you're going to trade for that player that
we're talking about or someone like him, then also be ready,
either in the trade deadline or in the off season,
to not go bargain ben shopping, to not just rely
on draft picks, but to go and spend the necessary
capital seriously on the day one high end level dudes,
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because if not, we're just playing. We're just replacing names now,
that's all we're doing.
Speaker 9 (27:14):
I wish they would do that, because aren't we just
replacing names with another draft pick that's maybe got a
thirty first overall draft pick that's maybe gonna work out
in a couple of years.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
I'm with you and that I've always fought the fight
of the way that you build this team. The proper
way is going out in free agency and getting those guys,
getting those guys who can play the game of football right.
Because we're doing because all we're doing is replacing names.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
The system may change, and I mean the overall system
main't change.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
If I take this name and send them to Green
Bay and then bring this name in and do the
same thing I did with the name that we said.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
To Green Bay, guess what we'll get, Kurt.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
We'll be in the same place next year, and we'll
be saying, it's the coach, it's.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
The key, it's the scheme.
Speaker 9 (28:06):
It's the window closes your.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Offensive window and you're starting back over on offense, and
then both sides are in DISARRAYE.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
So so that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
Man.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
It's go ahead, goddamn, Kurt. You're correct, Yes, yes, you're correct.
Go get that guy. And if we got to give
up a pick, we give up a pick. But the
next twelve picks gotta be all defense, and two of
them got to be for run stoppers, run stoppers on it.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
In case the first one don't work.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
We signed the contract.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Bro. If you get one sat if it's one run,
fit you out of here.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
But yeah, no, but but but you have to be
willing to go get the other pieces that you're doing.
That's part of what that's part of the problem right
now is that you're what you're watching on Sundays is
an extreme lack of depth of good players.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
And to use a nate your term nate is to
have plus players. And you don't have to have elite
across the board, but I do need an elite.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
But then I need to go and get plus players.
And the next thing that I'm about to say is
so critically important. Who love the game of football. We
get too many players in here who don't love the game.
We don't that who do not love the game. And
that's the part that frustrates me as a former player,
(29:34):
someone who had to fight scrap claw to make his
way and to stay afloat. Is when I see guys
get an opportunity or have the blessing and the privilege
to play in this league and then I watch them
on like I take it very slightly personal when I
hear we don't understand the scheme.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Second, I.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Know that every player's skill set doesn't fit. But when
you're starting to tell me, and this is what Shoddy
said to his press conference, we're talking about like eye
candy gets you, misdirection gets you. You know why this
team doesn't communicate, Kurt Daniels, because you don't communicate.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
You don't when you don't know. When you know, you communicate,
you can tell everybody right the wrong.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
When when your when your boy, when your boy knows
the answer, you can't keep him in the seat. Right
If you remember were back in grade school, and you'd
be like, all right, who knows the answer? Two plus two? Me?
They don't communicate because they don't know. And the reason
that they don't know is they don't put the time in.
(30:47):
They don't put the time in. Like I think back
to players like Sean Lee I was a part of
I was a teammate of Shan Lee. While Shoronley's body
failed him, his mind didn't. But you know why Seawan
was such a great communicator. When you watch these other teams,
while there's such great communication going on, knew the play
(31:08):
because people know what the hell they're doing. You just
I don't care what it is. Pick pick a profession.
If you're in any profession and the conversation comes up
about stuff that you know, you ain't shutting up. You
ain't shutting up. Let me tell you about all because
you know it.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
It's like linebacker, but.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
You watched it, because you mean to tell me that,
Like when I watch Fred Warner, when I when I
watch Nick Bolton, when I watch other of these other
linebackers in this league.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I'm just like, you mean to tell me what?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
What?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
What do they know that we don't know?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
All right?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So question for you because I remember when Sean Lee
was here, and if you have one guy like him
that knows everything, that makes your whole defense better because
he can be like, this is coming, this is where
you yes, And when he heard he careful. Remember when
he would go out and they would look like they
didn't know what the hell was going on? Is that
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kind of where we're now? You have nobody, nobody where,
nobody what the other teams nobody.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Let me tell you how simple it was. They had
a tackle and they had a tight end or our
big wide receiver and it had another wide receiver, and
they had moved like two yards from that tackle defensive
(32:30):
man is standing right there.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Somebody walked up. They didn't say crack. Yeah.
Speaker 14 (32:35):
I had to say it was crack crack because they
washed crack washed crack wash crack, because that lets your
division end know, either turn your back to him fully
or hit that smoking you know, go.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Go out to it as you go up the field.
But nobody said anything.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Said anything, And all of a sudden we got a
forty yard touchdown that started by shield edge and I
just said to myself, I just I've.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Been around this game, man, far too long. I've talked
to too many people. The reason that they don't communicate
it ain't because the scheme is difficult. It's cover three, guys,
it's man the man, what the hell you've been.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Running with Cover three?
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Been in the game of football since Charlie Choo Choo,
Justice and and and whoever the hell was back there
with no leather helmets.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I tell you what, man, my coach told me.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
You got to I don't cut you, but but but keys,
the keys. What's your key?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Not those keys? But if you align backer, yo, these
are my keys. That's what I supposed to be doing.
But they don't communicate because I'm not in the locker room,
per se, or just say in the media room per se.
But I watch a lot of football man, and I
watch good teams, and I watch how they communicate. That's
(33:56):
because people know what they're talking about. That's because people
know what's going on. They sat there and they watched
the film past the hours that are required.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Past that.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
And they don't just do a little hour on your iPad. No,
they make this about their lives. This to become their lobbyhood.
Gods ain't leaving out of here then all of a
sudden going home and kicking their feet up, playing the game,
running the streets, whatever.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Man for six months.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
This is it.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
This is it.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
The first thing, you're talking defensive tackle, three techniques. Better,
if you're a tight eye, if that guy blocks down,
step down, look inside. Next place, you look outside because
they could be wheamming you. If you're a great tackle.
Next thing, if he's trying to reach you, go out
with him, read him. But look back inside because something
(34:50):
could be happening there where they're coming back inside with
a wham.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So look back inside.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
I learned that seventh grade.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
You know how Sam Williams got cracked in there like
when when when they watched when they watched the Carolina
film and they saw Sam Williams get cracked.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
He so he ain't paying attention. Let's try it again,
he smiled.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Faces.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
How yeah, how how is it's a it's a it's
a it's a copycat league. They just gonna he come on, dong,
what when the receiver is in tight you should all
be yelling crack. It's what they do.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
In that house, just cracked.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, And that's the part I'm talking about. Man, This
this it's it's it's too many guys on this team
who don't love the game of football, who aren't studying
the game of football, And that's why the communication isn't there.
And that's why so many guys don't know what the
hell they're doing, because everybody's quiet, because everybody's unsure of
what the actual assignment is because nobody's putting that ax
(36:00):
of time.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
And that's losing mentality. And that's why you're sitting where
you're sitting.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
You know why, you know why the offense is doing
some pretty so damn well because when Dak walked up
to the line.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Of scrimmage, he's like, oh no, hey, check check kill
kill Hey.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Because he knows what he's looking at. He knows what
he's looking at. He's studying the he's studying the work,
he's putting in the time, and those other guys are
able to adjust to it because he's like the captain
of the offense is like, yo, hey, look check that
up there. Hey, watch this right here. Hey, he's coming.
He's dropped. He's communicating that because he knows it. And
(36:34):
that's what you do when you know. But when you don't,
you just shut up. You hope that someone else says
something to confer what you was kind of thinking, maybe
thought about maybe new. I'm like, man, I hope he
said Dan, you know hu boss snap And now y'all.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Like, oh man, I thought you are.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Now, but y'all standing ten feet from each other, somebody
say something.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
All right, let's take our last break when we come back,
one more phone call and maybe we have time for
other stuff on hang with the boys.
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Speaker 1 (39:54):
Just think when you know who you are? Scary r
de Bo and what's man? He's here? No brown? No brown?
You're are quarterback?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
You?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Which one are you?
Speaker 10 (40:10):
Though?
Speaker 1 (40:10):
You're married? Are you the skinny one? Five?
Speaker 7 (40:18):
But it's just just great a man, give me some love,
great stuff, man, lord's willing, bro.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Chris, let us take one more call, see if we
have time for two?
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Who we got? All right? We got we got Josh
and Mary? Okay, Josh and man, what's up?
Speaker 12 (40:32):
Hey?
Speaker 13 (40:33):
What's going on? Something?
Speaker 9 (40:33):
Hey?
Speaker 13 (40:34):
I ain't whispering like Chris Well, I ain't whistling like
the height and saying it and uh, Kurt, y'all keep
it a hundred too, man, y'all y'all to man than
y'all keep the hundred all the time too, manch real quick,
I ain't got you know, no complaints?
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Man?
Speaker 13 (40:52):
You are with your record sends you are? You know
what I mean? Ah? Just called the ship with stuff.
Check on y'all minis and Dentel's uh you know, and
I got one little simple rushing Jerry said earlier on
uh what is it? One O five three to fame.
He was like, uh, he spoke, and y'all been talking
about the linebackers a lot today, but he spoke on
(41:12):
the linebackers earlier the day, so and you know that
kind of I ain't really think, yeah it was you know,
it was a shot at the linebackers. But you know,
y'all be with Jerry Moore so corrected, or I'll be
with d at all, but correct me if of all,
is that a shot at eba flu? Because he is
you know, specialty is linebackers and they've been doing a
(41:32):
lot of protection and evil flutes. But this the first
time I heard, you know, Jerry don't really call out
certain position groups, and with him calling them out, is
that a shot at ebra flu? You know? Finding like,
all right, you know we might have to make some
type of change there, but that's pretty much it. Appreciate
your taking my call.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Out good And just let me ask you this right quick,
like dad on to what he's saying, Uh, if we
were to get another offensive coordinator in here?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Will he have enough respect from this staff defensive coordinator defensive.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Coordinator to to say, hey, these are the type players
we want. Is it gonna be a long term higher
or short time what's your feelings on that?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I mean it's a short term higher, the.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Short term higher. A lot of times. That's usually for
a head coach type situation. I think when you get
a coordinator, you're expecting to be here for a while.
You expect to be because it is important that Will
McLay and his staff get the players. Because that's how
it happens, right, Like you bring a DC in here,
and the DC sits down with Will McLay and he
(42:39):
figures out what is your system?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Right?
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Your system is h three four four three. Here's what
we have. Here's what we already have here that we
are planning on keeping here.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Right.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
Let me let me tell you that part, and then
now how can we further get what you need for
your system? You know, certain defensive coordinators they have requirements,
you know. The most infamous one that we talk about
the most was Rod Maynelly had a certain type of
player that he looked for, and he said TJ. Watt
(43:13):
doesn't fit my aesthetics of what I look for in
a defensive end. Taco Charlton did. So he said no
to He told him no to him and yes to
him because of his measurements. You know, TJ. Watt didn't
put his hand in the dirt. Taco did. So, those
are the requirements that he had. Now did he missed
(43:33):
out on a player, absolut freakinguely, he did. But so
everyone comes in with that level of what they want.
And then now once you give that to Will McClay
hen now gives it to his staff and they go,
go find.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Me these dudes with these traits, right.
Speaker 6 (43:48):
Go find me. If you're gonna run a cover three.
Anytime you're looking to run a zone type coverage, you're
gonna look for more of the longer, rangier players. Hence,
while you're going, you get a guy likes to oone revel,
taller type corner. You know, a bigger corner can can
cover more ground. Right, the throwing angles become a lot
more difficult now when you're throwing through these windows. Think
(44:12):
about a two three zone in basketball. Think about old
school Jim Behim and how he ran his two three zone.
He had six foot seven jokers out there in the wings,
and they spreading worms out like this, no passing lanes.
It's right, same thing applause to football. When you're trying
to run his own you want to have guys who
can cover a certain space.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
So all that information is given to Will.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Will then deploys it out to his staff and then
now they go scour the earth to try to find
guys who fit the mold of what that defensive coordinator wants.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
And to answer the callers question, I don't think it
was a shot at eber Flew, so to speak. I
think it was more of a finally they're starting to say,
and see what we've been seeing for the last couple
of weeks. And also he's just priming. Jevy's just prime
and let you know, we're getting a lie linebacker back.
Speaker 9 (45:02):
His quote was, we need to basically have better play
from the linebackers, maintaining the integrity of our gaps which
linebreakers have to fill. The linebreakers have to slide. Yeah,
we did a poor John.
Speaker 6 (45:12):
So that's that's Jerry sitting in on the meeting or
reading the notes that they shipped out there. To him
and sit here say this about what happened with the linebackers,
but also probably let you know that we get linebacker
play coming in with with with overshown.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
But I've been saying it for weeks.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Kenneth Murray is a bad Linebacker's a busy bad linebacker.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Shamar James is just young. He's trying to figure it out.
You just you.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
And part of the reason why you have bad linebacker
play is because your defensive line ain't good. And when
your defensive line ain't good, Uh, you know the one
plan that everybody's been showing on TV. When Shamar James
gets knocked down and then he get Elijah Clark and
he turns back, the guard turns back and then he
gets uh clowney. Well watch how the guards come off
the ball. No resistance. They just come right up and
(45:57):
get right to the backer. I mean, nobody slow them down,
slow them nothing, nothing. They just shot right up there
and there's nothing up front that's stopping these guys from
getting to the second the second level.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
And you see then Shamar gets knocked down and then
what's it calls?
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Playing paddy cake fifteen yards down the field and Harvey
goes in untouched for forty yard runs. So, yes, you
have bad linebacker play because they aren't fitting in the
right gaps. Part of that is because they just aren't
doing it. You know, a gap you're supposed to be in.
This ain't You ain't just get to planet Earth yesterday.
You ain't just pick up football yesterday. And then your
(46:35):
your defensive front is not good, so you're not keeping
guards and centers and other guys off your linebackers because
they don't ship blocks really good.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Hence why you're struggling defensively.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
I know, we gotta go one question for each for
each of you, and then maybe we'll talk about tomorrow
since we're starting the draft show today.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Would you be opposed.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
To locking up pick cans, locking up Williams, trading some
of your draft collateral for a war daddy on the edge,
and then spending, like you said, every single draft pick
on the defensive side of the ball and go for
it and be like, here's you want to go all in,
(47:22):
here's my chips for the next We got a two
year window.
Speaker 7 (47:32):
I told you I was joking because that sounds so
much like right, yeah, all.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Right, Jesse date Kurk good stuff today. We will be
back tomorrow camera extra day tomorrow. On this day tomorrow,
what are we doing tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (47:50):
Cowboys offense, Cowboys defense, right, I mean Cowboys offense.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Cowboys offense, Arizona defense. Chris, thanks for keeping us on
their Josh, Thanks for keeping them a couple of back tomorrow,
O boys.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
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